MEME - A Metal Gear Solid 2 Retrospective

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  • Опубликовано: 31 июл 2020
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    Hideo Kojima, the creator of Metal Gear Solid, has said that there is a single word... a single theme that can summarize each mainline game in the Metal Gear Solid saga. With that, I decided to look at each game in the series exclusively through the lens of their respective theme. Today, we will be looking at the single word/theme that summarizes Metal Gear Solid 2. That word is "meme".
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  • @MiguelAldanotes
    @MiguelAldanotes 3 года назад +630

    I love how this games is often considered "the worst" and yet it has one of the most profound moments in the entire franchise. Game was literally decades ahead of it's time.

    • @Killtrobal
      @Killtrobal 3 года назад +50

      kojima is like the first fuckin prophet talking through videogames.... look at Death Stranding (i still don´t even play it, no spoilers), and a year later, pandemics. XD

    • @dc7981
      @dc7981 3 года назад +9

      I only heard that back in the 2000s lol

    • @MiguelAldanotes
      @MiguelAldanotes 3 года назад

      @@dc7981 lucky you lol

    • @thewanderingartists
      @thewanderingartists 3 года назад +9

      @@Killtrobal death stranding is amazing experience.

    • @TechniqueSan
      @TechniqueSan 3 года назад +5

      Except it isn't considered at all. It's been well over ten years since that was true.

  • @Whitelight
    @Whitelight 3 года назад +679

    You're a therapeutic presence on the internet, Max. Your Aion series is inspirational, and I can't wait to watch this too.

    • @Oatlis
      @Oatlis 3 года назад +14

      holy crap Whitelight is a fan of Carl Jung

    • @TheRexonator
      @TheRexonator 3 года назад +13

      Damn, didnt expect to see you here. I watched your 7-hour DS review recently - it was phenomenal. Keep up the good work!

    • @maxderrat
      @maxderrat  3 года назад +42

      Man, thanks so much Whitelight. Bless you. You keep making amazing videos too.

    • @SpaceyCortex
      @SpaceyCortex 3 года назад +5

      This so wholesome

    • @Shakenmike117
      @Shakenmike117 3 года назад +1

      "Please dont kill yourself, who's video game reviews will I watch if you're gone?"

  • @Mcree114
    @Mcree114 3 года назад +272

    "Memes, the DNA of the soul."

    • @arasharfa
      @arasharfa 3 года назад +8

      or viruses.

    • @tonycorona8501
      @tonycorona8501 2 года назад +21

      Now that's a pretty meme. Exquisite.

    • @l1ghtd3m0n3
      @l1ghtd3m0n3 2 года назад +18

      The guys who made Rising clearly knew what Solid 2 was going for, and played off it. And it was legendary.

  • @thecheekychinaman6713
    @thecheekychinaman6713 3 года назад +346

    Internet Historian, GAMERS, and now Max. Is this christmas or what

    • @Fazeshyft
      @Fazeshyft 3 года назад +24

      Right?? RUclips getting better documentaries than Discovery and History could deliver combined.

    • @f.boogaloospook2318
      @f.boogaloospook2318 3 года назад +7

      Ahoy and Lemmino and Dovhaty

    • @maxderrat
      @maxderrat  3 года назад +79

      IT'S A CONSPIRACY

    • @mercenarygundam1487
      @mercenarygundam1487 3 года назад +17

      @@maxderrat That's an interesting way to spell synchronicity Max.

    • @nickbooze9766
      @nickbooze9766 3 года назад +3

      And now Matthewmatosis too. God damn.

  • @Pgeorgiex
    @Pgeorgiex 3 года назад +90

    25:43 " The reality is no match for the legend I'm afraid." - Solid Snake

  • @scammbledeggs2707
    @scammbledeggs2707 3 года назад +373

    W E L I V E I N A S O C I E T Y
    where every person should see a video like this. Without the lore but everyone before turning 18 should be taught about the whole theme of this video.

    • @maxderrat
      @maxderrat  3 года назад +53

      Especially in this day and age.

    • @TheIconicHat
      @TheIconicHat 3 года назад +7

      WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY OF THE SPECTACLE

    • @mihalyshilage5826
      @mihalyshilage5826 3 года назад +5

      Yes, i agree, that this video would be a good selection for societal sanity

    • @megahertz5504
      @megahertz5504 3 года назад +8

      Im 14 and this game series is just so fucking amazing and teaching me alot that we should be freer thinkers and not just follow one person or parties objective nothing will top this series for me ever

    • @stevenwilliams1805
      @stevenwilliams1805 3 года назад +2

      I really want to show this video to an extremely conspiratorial minded individual I know but, I doubt he would sit through the whole thing because he thinks everything is fake.

  • @brandongreenland9632
    @brandongreenland9632 3 года назад +102

    Metal Gear Solid 2: Even the people lying to you want to be honest

    • @BJ-zd2or
      @BJ-zd2or 3 года назад +11

      Isnt that a horrible way to live our lives? Honesty goes completely out the window as everything is objective or just as is just to seep through objective?

    • @brandongreenland9632
      @brandongreenland9632 3 года назад +11

      Billy Jolly
      Like, even the president who wants to lie to you just decides to be honest for once. We all want to stop lying, but we can’t because it goes against the flow of society. It reminds me of the Yungian concept of the persona, how you are a different person within but you need to act in a specific way around specific people. It’s a shell that only the best humans have ever broken out of.

    • @iwannabethekid34xc
      @iwannabethekid34xc 3 года назад +6

      @@brandongreenland9632 Anyone can break the conditioning if they possess any semblance of courage and conviction.

    • @brandongreenland9632
      @brandongreenland9632 3 года назад +4

      Solomon Kane
      This sentence in itself speaks volumes to me, about the modern world as a whole. I’m not even sure how I should reply properly.

  • @lominero5
    @lominero5 Год назад +18

    The fact that MGS2 was the first metal gear game I played entirely, meant that I never got bother that I did not play as Snake. The game was and is still my favorite game.

  • @ansdor
    @ansdor 3 года назад +123

    memes are subject to natural selection the same way as genes. and, just like genes, they aren't being selected for being "good" or "virtuous", they are being selected for how well they manage to reproduce, to spread from mind to mind. "bad" ideas tend to reproduce well, they tend to be simple to understand and easy to spread, and highly sensationalistic in content. that's natural selection operating on memes

    • @davidselkirk7897
      @davidselkirk7897 3 года назад +7

      (copied from another reply)
      I thought about this objection too, though thinking about it more I ended up seeing it as a more blurry line. Some form of selection is definitely taking place, with some memes multiplying far more successfully in different "areas" of...the internet/culture, however we want to talk about it.
      But where the selection doesn't quite match biological selection is the idea of death, the idea that those that cannot reproduce die out without passing on their material. As computers/the internet gets more prolific and more backed-up, less and less stuff is removed from the system. "Never fading, always accessible...", as the game says. At that point the natural selection comparison somewhat breaks down, as the equivalent situation would be that every organism ever born was immortal. Selection pressure is no longer about "survive to reproduce as much as possible", but simply "reproduce as much as possible". Non-replicators hanging around might be an interesting twist, as these types of memes would not need to follow any existing survival pattern. As in they could "be" absolutely anything, with no rhyme or reason required, and who knows how that might effect the landscape or the successful replicators, now or 1000 years down the line?
      And of course, none of that even touches on the point that this is all about how human beings react to/integrate/perpetuate this system, since we/our information stores are both the environment and temporary hosts/avatars of the memes in question...oof. Head hurty.

    • @3zzzTyle
      @3zzzTyle 3 года назад +3

      Was looking for a reply like this. The very similarity of their name to "gene" isn't random. This guy's videos are mostly fine, but this is a very strange and major oversight.

    • @KasumiRINA
      @KasumiRINA Год назад +3

      There's also artificial selection too, many popular memes at some point were heavily forced by a group such as 4chan. Of course, it's usually a mix of organic and bot-driven traffic.
      In case of "bots" we don't necessarily mean programmed bot networks but often people acting like a cell in a botnet manually "helping" the algorithm to catch on.
      A pro-russian political message will get thousands of likes, shares and reposts from troll factory to help websites see it as popular, or even to get it trending, and then will be picked up by useful idiots as well.
      And what AI at the end of MGS2 says, is they think humans aren't to be trusted with this process in general... Because we're gullible. Ironically fake Colonel in the end suggests manual curation by world government similar to how US sanctions FINALLY forced RUclips to at least start combatting russian disinformation. A little too late but never say never again I guess...

    • @ArgentWolf95
      @ArgentWolf95 Год назад

      @@KasumiRINA Your argument would work, except there is no group called "4chan". It's an imageboard where anyone can go and say something anonymously, and people either like it or disagree, or bunches of anonymous people do pranks or genuinely do things that are meaninful. You heard of a group called anonymous? They are hacktivists that began in 4chan, and they have supported Ukraine from get-go. Even putting the truth on Russian TV.
      I'd like to ask you this:
      Are these your ideas, or what far left American activists or news media corporations told you?
      Sounds to be like you're a authoritarian who thinks Americans should 'create context' for everyone else. Not surprising since you use the same american talking points of the far left for American cultural issues, and seem to be more interested in that ideology. I mean, you think a lot of people irrelevant to Ukraine are Russian propagandists. Alex Jones somehow a Russian agent? No, he's just a conspiracy nut no one really takes seriously.
      Let me show you you an actual KGB propagandist who defected decades ago:
      ruclips.net/video/yErKTVdETpw/видео.html
      You are an example of who the man in the video is talking about, but you deserve freedom to think and feel as you do, but so do those you call 'bots'. I'm telling you this, for the same reasons Snake helped Raiden.

    • @Shiroi0moi
      @Shiroi0moi Год назад

      @@KasumiRINA "russian disinformation"
      As opposed to western disinformation? You seem so far up your own rectum that you can't see a contradiction there

  • @DESTRAKON
    @DESTRAKON 3 года назад +57

    Your “most profound moment in gaming history” is what got me into Metal Gear

  • @Gabrhil
    @Gabrhil 2 года назад +13

    I stepped into this Metal Gear lore rabbit hole out of curiosity for a famous franchise I've never played, now I'm having another existential crisis.

  • @nickporter574
    @nickporter574 3 года назад +37

    Ill never forget this game. The ending was so delicious. Thank you Hideo!

  • @jackbarton4938
    @jackbarton4938 3 года назад +21

    It's safe to say that about 80% of this went over my head when I was 12.

  • @CynicalBastard
    @CynicalBastard 3 года назад +25

    MGS2 is an example of memetic advantage and memetic hyperneutralisation.

  • @invadermothflaps
    @invadermothflaps 3 года назад +45

    Max, every time I watch one of your videos my emotional views are altered into the presence of a philosophical idea. You have always astounded me with your work. You give me new thoughts, new ideas, and ways to let go of my past mistakes. You have one of the greatest minds that I have have ever seen. Please, make more of these philosophical videos. Video game, book, movie, etc. Please make more.

    • @maxderrat
      @maxderrat  3 года назад +18

      Thank you. I will do my best moving into the future, man. Unfortunately, it's looking like I am not going to be able to put out as much enlightening, thought-provoking content as I used to, but I will keep at it in whatever capacity I can.

    • @mercenarygundam1487
      @mercenarygundam1487 3 года назад +1

      @@maxderrat Hey Max, aside from all your amazing eye opening videos. A question. What's your opinion on the concept of Arsenal Gear, a large Mobile Fortress.

    • @DiscipleMario
      @DiscipleMario 2 года назад

      @@maxderrat how come?

  • @DiogenesTheCynic.
    @DiogenesTheCynic. 3 года назад +43

    2:23
    I’m watching this on my phone so it didnt fool me lol

    • @maxderrat
      @maxderrat  3 года назад +37

      Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!

    • @MrSapps
      @MrSapps 3 года назад +4

      @@maxderrat it did fool me for a sec, was nice, like fission mailed :)

    • @viewtiful1doubleokamihand253
      @viewtiful1doubleokamihand253 3 года назад +1

      It didn't fool me because I've already seen this trick done before in a video made by Superbunnyhop about MGS2, made years ago. Max just straight stole it.

    • @josephD32
      @josephD32 3 года назад

      Straight out of the Kojima playbook. Nice.

  • @jonanderson7350
    @jonanderson7350 Год назад +5

    I was 16 years old staying up all night to finish this game. People looked at me like I was crazy when I talked to them about the codex call at the end. Yes this was a profound moment in a video game. The perspective, and understanding in that time has shaped the way I have lived my life since. The only tribe in in is the human race tribe, and kinda my family included.

  • @aklokoth
    @aklokoth 3 года назад +20

    Loved Raiden, he was no snake, but it is still my favorite game in the franchise. Adopted a Husky named Raiden too.

    • @mellomoose_
      @mellomoose_ 2 года назад +1

      same, raiden was a good character. and hea a good player stand in because hes left in the dark the whole game like us.

    • @godnyx117
      @godnyx117 2 года назад +1

      @@mellomoose_ RADN

    • @mellomoose_
      @mellomoose_ 2 года назад +1

      @@godnyx117 nice pfp

    • @godnyx117
      @godnyx117 2 года назад +1

      @@mellomoose_ Thanks Spartan!

  • @nameless.greyceo
    @nameless.greyceo 3 года назад +18

    Most underrated game ever, i played this the first day like it was the best movie ever, amazing best time.

  • @RENZEENO
    @RENZEENO 3 года назад +12

    Man those MGS2 graphics are soooo sharp. Really ahead of its time.

  • @YusiDJordan
    @YusiDJordan 3 года назад +7

    I’ve been subbed to you forever, over many different channels. Every time you do anything related to metal gear, I feel my little snake tingle. Keep up the great work!

  • @arasharfa
    @arasharfa 3 года назад +92

    I think your view of natural selection is a bit idealised. There are plenty of nonfunctional and dysfunctional genes that spread simply because they don’t cause immediate harm. I do believe that self reflection/ critical thinking and self improvement are just another evolutionary process. The idea that evolution only happens in genetic mutation between generations is a bit simplified.

    • @maxderrat
      @maxderrat  3 года назад +37

      I think that's a fair criticism.

    • @TechniqueSan
      @TechniqueSan 3 года назад

      I wholeheartedly disagree. Your reasoning seems like a sort of coping mechanism.

    • @arasharfa
      @arasharfa 3 года назад +9

      @@TechniqueSan Care to elaborate?

    • @TechniqueSan
      @TechniqueSan 3 года назад +2

      @@arasharfa I believe we are born with an "intellectual ceiling", so to speak, and that ceiling is definitely determined by our genetics. Whether or not an individual will hit their ceiling during their lifetime will then depend on a number of internal variables, and a few external ones.
      Actions like acquiring information and introspection can help with that, though it won't make your genetic material "better" or more desirable from an evolutionary point of view. There are many things a person can't really ever mold or alter. You can't ever be taught how to think critically, or how to properly filter and absorb information, how to analyze other people correctly, etc.
      Though I agree with the idea that many undesirable genes spread, I don't chalk that up to their "harmless" nature. There are many deliberate factors in today's world that suppress the proliferation of capable genes and promote undesirable DNA of both the harmless and harmful kinds, though even the "harmless" are damaging by consuming the world's resources and bringing close to or nothing in return. Regardless of religious or political stances, you'd be silly to think otherwise.

    • @arasharfa
      @arasharfa 3 года назад +14

      @@TechniqueSan In terms of spiritual development, I don't see the body being an obstacle in that regard. Emergentism explains how complexity is born outof simplicity, and so I don't think we have an intellectual cieling. I also don't see how inert genes without a specific advantage strip the world of resources. If humans destroy the world it's because of their primitive instincts, and those are determined by our bodies, but I also believe the choice to question things is a voluntary choice, but is taught to question as well. either by other people or by experiences in themselves.

  • @SushiSteakSeafood
    @SushiSteakSeafood 3 года назад +9

    Holy shit I feel like your whole channel has been leading up to this. I am in the same camp as you that MGS2 is one of the greatest game stories of all time. Can't wait to see this.

  • @Raycifer
    @Raycifer 3 года назад +23

    It's in the M E M E S Jack

  • @DOT107
    @DOT107 3 года назад +70

    fun fact: The story was based on Japan's internet society at the time of development.
    West: "Öh my god such revelation! a prophecy foretold eons"
    Meanwhile in Japan: *Imageboards*

    • @youwaisef
      @youwaisef 3 года назад +4

      Care to share more?

    • @DOT107
      @DOT107 3 года назад +33

      ​@@youwaisef Imageboards were a thing in japan since 1996, Site that granted massive information dump separated by Cultures. Which is exactly the plot based around in MGS2.
      Imageboards would later inspired future sites like 4Chan in 2003. this is why the West was surprised by the plot being prophetic but mostly because Imageboard Culture wasn't a thing until 2003, a year after MGS2 release in 2002.

    • @youwaisef
      @youwaisef 3 года назад +4

      @@DOT107 I see. That's quite interesting actually. Thanks for sharing.

    • @dgw3650
      @dgw3650 3 года назад +1

      pretty sure that's too on the nose for Jokima. that and much like Japanese gamers' responses to TLoU2 (i.e. not giving a shit about bullshit American politics), I doubt that has too much of an influence on a game designed largely for American consumption.

    • @DOT107
      @DOT107 3 года назад +3

      @@dgw3650 It is what it is lol. There's nothing wrong with taking inspiration from a source, on MGS2 case, Japan's Imageboard, and Kojima was just a massive fan of western movies. Mix both and you'll have a absolute mindfuckery in MGS2.
      Almost all of the MGS games are an ode of movies that Kojima and his Dad bonded over with.
      Almost *all* the project he led was pretty much on the nose. His secrecy on project is just a PR stunt he likes to do as a means of interacting with his audience.
      TL;DR: Kojimbo is a westaboo, but designing a game around a script isn't that farfetched especially in the gaming industry.

  • @Alex-hm7nt
    @Alex-hm7nt 2 года назад +2

    I loved MGS2. I wasn't a part of the wave for MGS1 (I had N64 instead) so the whole Raiden thing didn't shock me.
    Just found your channel, love your videos man! Very thought provoking, I need it!

  • @Sophnar0747
    @Sophnar0747 3 года назад +18

    Solid work yet again. I could listen to you talk about MGS all day.

    • @maxderrat
      @maxderrat  3 года назад +7

      I could TALK about Metal Gear Solid all day... thanks to my autism. :P

    • @Sophnar0747
      @Sophnar0747 3 года назад +2

      Max Derrat I wish I could show you my collection of MGS figures. Trust me, I know how you feel.

  • @cxvila
    @cxvila 3 года назад +8

    the fact that this was one of the first games i played as a kid is hilarious.

  • @Owl_of_Books
    @Owl_of_Books 3 года назад +9

    The 2:23 joke fooled me, since I looked away for a second. Lol

  • @sebastianzapata2618
    @sebastianzapata2618 3 года назад +1

    Your videos are simply incredible, breaking down complex topics in all forms of media without missing the important while making said ideas accessible.

  • @ricardomiles2957
    @ricardomiles2957 3 года назад +6

    27:04 I don't know if it wasn't mentioned for time or redundancy purposes but the AI doesn't take the form a specific person, the "colonel" is a different person for each person based on their expectations and experiences. Raiden is the one who mentions In the darkness of shadow moses, Rose treats him like a "common" colonel, and more importantly, the colonel's name is NEVER said, in MGS1 the name Campbell is said time to time, MGS2's colonel name isn't said to the very end

  • @urugamersOficial
    @urugamersOficial Год назад +2

    Max have you ever read or seen No Country for Old Men? I think it could be great to see your take on that. Also Blood Meridian

  • @IssacCothern
    @IssacCothern 3 года назад +1

    As someone who got into the MGS series very young, the message often flew directly over my head. Watching your videos and revisiting these events with a more mature mindset is AMAZING to say the least. Keep up the great work Max!

  • @pedroantonio5797
    @pedroantonio5797 3 года назад

    I just have to say your analysis is absolute genious. I am a die hard fan of the franchise and you really took this to the next level. I hope to see more content of you !

  • @stevensigl
    @stevensigl 3 года назад

    Love your videos, amazing, insightful and very well thought out.
    We're thankful for your work.

  • @ps5426
    @ps5426 10 месяцев назад +1

    Honestly the whole Meme thing made me think of this game one of the best MGS when it first came out and as it has become more relevant not only with the acceleration of but where other franchises have expanded on it like Ghost in The Shell Stand Alone Complex.

  • @comradekolbot2220
    @comradekolbot2220 3 года назад +3

    “You can go home Courier”-Ulysses

  • @anthonywhite4203
    @anthonywhite4203 3 года назад

    Thanks to your original video on the most profound moment in gaming history and others after that, you have completely changed my view on philosophy and other philosophical perspective that helped me out of a tough situation(and also got me into metal gear), these videos provide different outlook on certain topics that I never would have thought about, these vids are amazing

  • @TheSilentSoprano1
    @TheSilentSoprano1 3 года назад +3

    Metal gear and dark souls lore still blows me away years after! Amazing.

  • @Kevinterell
    @Kevinterell 3 года назад +3

    Been looking forward to this and now it’s here!!!!

  • @joram1986
    @joram1986 3 года назад

    Thanks for another great video. It was a treat to find this today.

  • @dApOnTe145
    @dApOnTe145 3 года назад

    Really enjoyed the video. Great work Max. Looking forward to more!

  • @madmike0064
    @madmike0064 3 года назад

    Amazing work again Max, your channel is a fantastic source of deep insights into media I otherwise would have never truly pieced together. From your Silent Hill videos to the Jung Aion series and of course MGS videos they all offer great explanations and insights into the minds of those who created that media but also those within it too.

    • @maxderrat
      @maxderrat  3 года назад +1

      Thanks so much for your kind words, madmike.

  • @SeekoGT
    @SeekoGT Год назад

    I come back to this every so often... Thanks for making it.

  • @justadummy8076
    @justadummy8076 3 года назад +5

    Even the reveal of the Patriots mimics the reveal that Kazuhira Miller was actually Liquid, MGS2 genuinely is a full remake of MGS

  • @mayhewstorm1473
    @mayhewstorm1473 3 года назад

    I genuinely love your content, man. It’s really great

  • @Dhal-SimMusic
    @Dhal-SimMusic 3 года назад

    I finally understand everything about this game thanks to your video. Loved it!

  • @AnimeFanFreak04
    @AnimeFanFreak04 3 года назад +2

    Watching this made me question what I would be if I didn't seem to care whether it was raiden or not. It makes you think on the decisions made and the thought process that you might've undergone while playing and place it in every day life.
    The fact that this game predicted our use of media and the way we utilize the internet will never stop to amaze me.

  • @gerardocastillo8858
    @gerardocastillo8858 3 года назад +2

    I played this game when I was 16 and now 14 years later after finishing phatom pain decided to review back this game and i'm really shocked of this theory now is our reality. Well, it had always been like that after realising.

  • @sausagepizzagaming
    @sausagepizzagaming 3 года назад

    Beautiful video like usual, Max! I love your thoughts on MGS 2, already can’t wait for SCENE

  • @pazdavis12
    @pazdavis12 Год назад

    Doing a metal gear marathon right now and your videos are great for someone who doesn't get all the themes and story thanks

  • @nothinghere615
    @nothinghere615 3 года назад

    Thank you again for such an amazing retrospect on MGS2. I remember the other two videos you made. Watching this made me understand what the whole game is actually about. Playing it when it first came out was so hard to understand it was like Game of Thrones took too many arcs I couldn't wrap my head around everything. This video does it perfectly. Keep up the great work!

  • @annabellea9916
    @annabellea9916 3 года назад

    Amazing work as always Max. Keep it up!

  • @maxturbo45
    @maxturbo45 3 года назад +1

    Glad to see you back in action Max, aside from your Quiet Mountain analysis videos, the Gaseous Component Liquid are the reasons why i subbed, keep up the great work and stay yellow.

    • @maxderrat
      @maxderrat  3 года назад +1

      You too my brother. Thanks so much for taking the time to watch all of those videos. Must have taken you a while. :O

    • @maxturbo45
      @maxturbo45 2 года назад

      @@maxderrat yes but its always entertaining and worth while, sometimes I always find myself coming back to not only the MGS but the Silent Hill analysis as well, there's something about these sets of videos that are so intreguing...

  • @DaveyCadaver
    @DaveyCadaver 3 года назад

    Omg I’m so excited you are still making great content!! Thanks Max!

  • @armengevorkyan654
    @armengevorkyan654 3 года назад +5

    I recently finished Richard Dawkins' book "The Selfish Gene", where the term meme was coined!

  • @gazegirl6011
    @gazegirl6011 3 года назад +17

    When a co-worker of mine in his 70s found out I was a gamer he replied "I thought you were more mature than that..." Meanwhile, I'm sitting here watching an incredibly well thought out and insightful video by Max Derrat that discusses real world issues regarding fake news in the digital age and what we choose to believe or not based on our biases has the potential to be a destructive force to society as a whole. This was brought up in a video game from almost 20 years ago. (Sips coffee) Yeah...our generation is so immature. lol Great video! You have a new subscriber! I wish more people were open to having discussions like these regardless of what medium the topic came from.
    Games are an art-form and I'm so thankful that I was born at the right time to experience this. :)

    • @hwanniggles187
      @hwanniggles187 Месяц назад +1

      It's funny how this theme makes fun of the guy you were referring too. Stuck in his own "echo chamber" in that VG are for immature manchildren rather than accepting it as a new form of art/media that can give incredible experiences. I mean he doesn't have to like it but I digress

  • @quirinozagarese3119
    @quirinozagarese3119 3 года назад

    First time I stumble across one of your videos, even though you have so many subscribers. This is such a high quality content. Congrats

    • @maxderrat
      @maxderrat  3 года назад +1

      Thanks for dropping by, my friend! Stay awhile... I think you'll find some other stuff here that will blow your mind.

  • @philthehorror
    @philthehorror 3 года назад +1

    This is, without question, one of the most important and relevant videos on RUclips. Period. Max, you are an awesome dude. I hope I get to meet you face to face some day!

  • @Lord_Of_Beans
    @Lord_Of_Beans 3 года назад +1

    amazing video as always, cant wait for the mgs3 retrospective

  • @aisakataiga5200
    @aisakataiga5200 3 года назад +1

    Incredible, max. I can't wait to see your mgs3 video

  • @RP_Creative
    @RP_Creative Год назад +1

    My immersion into this video essay was broken upon seeing that the player behind the footage set Raiden's name as Dank Sinatra

  • @yerielhiciano7635
    @yerielhiciano7635 2 года назад

    I’ve watched this soo many times. One of the best retrospective for the best game of all time.

  • @ramsesalejo
    @ramsesalejo 3 года назад

    Just perfect, you did it again bro! thanks for this!

  • @paulgiggs99
    @paulgiggs99 3 года назад

    A truly brilliant video; one of the best videos on this site

  • @gardenboydon
    @gardenboydon 3 года назад

    What a fantastic breakdown of a game series that often gets criticized for being convoluted! Your points are clear and poignant! Thank you 🙏

  • @KojiMadarA333
    @KojiMadarA333 Год назад

    Amazing, Max
    Thankyou very much for this
    Keep on keeping on 👍🏼

  • @johnnymontero2282
    @johnnymontero2282 3 года назад

    Hey great video, Max!! Been a fan of your stuff for a few years now. I enjoy your Metal Gear Solid 2 content greatly, and the anticipation for more out you is gnarly!
    Mgs2 gave ptsd back in the day with all the Meme mumbo stuff, but at least it made a good chunk of us into Metal Gear Vets! We, or at least me, learned even if all the nooks and crannies are Alpha and Omega size of ugly to Never give up!!
    Thanks for making this. I wonder what you would commentate about the VR Mission portion or Snake Tales of the Substance version of MGS2.

  • @tdognschooch
    @tdognschooch Год назад +1

    And this video is more applicable today than when you made it!!!!

  • @adriencoudray2585
    @adriencoudray2585 3 года назад +10

    I love those analysises of yours and I really believe MGS 2 is still a step above all medias nowadays. MGS V is actually quite close to it but lacks precision in what it wants to convey, while MGS2 is more fleshed out in this aspect.
    In my opinion, MGS 2 should be mandatory in schools because it just changes people, makes one question what is true or not, what is worth sharing or not. The MEME theme is described in a fantastic way. This game is a wake up call, and we all need to hear it.

  • @mrpetebojangles21
    @mrpetebojangles21 3 года назад +1

    MGS 2 will always be my fav in the series and my favorite game of all time. This game was soooooo ahead of its time when it came out. I was 12 at the time and it blew my mind.

  • @Nathan_Lennox
    @Nathan_Lennox 3 года назад +1

    Finally haha glad to see you're doing well Max, out here doing the most

  • @rolfefirst9676
    @rolfefirst9676 3 года назад +4

    People become attached to memes so much that they cannot view themselves empirically.

  • @gabrielsantana6161
    @gabrielsantana6161 3 года назад +37

    Max, something happened to me last thursday when I was drivin thru. I had a couple cheese to go. I looked up and I saw a large soda in the sky, to the east. It was moving very extra dippy... Suddenly, there was a number 9 large all around me, and when I came to... I was home. What do you think happened to me?

    • @Lorrins
      @Lorrins 3 года назад +5

      I think it was scissors, 61.

    • @palofar9115
      @palofar9115 3 года назад +5

      Maybe you have been smoking too big.

    • @Samm815
      @Samm815 3 года назад +1

      Huh!?!

    • @gabrielsantana6161
      @gabrielsantana6161 3 года назад +1

      @@Samm815 *sigh* Fine. Forget dat shit.

    • @Trigger-yw2ee
      @Trigger-yw2ee 3 года назад +1

      Nigga you just a busta! Straight busta! Ain't nobody cares about what happened to yo ass.

  • @yayoarellano2404
    @yayoarellano2404 3 года назад

    It took me years to give MGS2 the real value it has. It's such an amazing game and a fundamental piece in the saga.
    Awesome video series, congrats.

  • @FoxMonkey-xw5yf
    @FoxMonkey-xw5yf 2 года назад +1

    The best way to combat misinformation is Bayesian thinking. But you can't force people to think that way, you can only offer them the possibility.

  • @maxturbo45
    @maxturbo45 2 года назад +1

    When I first played MGS2 I literally turned off the counsel when the AI told Raiden too...

  • @jack0f4lltrades28
    @jack0f4lltrades28 3 года назад +1

    What do you define as peace? Is it the absence of conflict, violence and betrayal? Is it a land of promise, endless food and wonders as far as the eye can see? If I were to tell you we can have peace but at one cost, would you submit yourself to that cost? And if I were to say the cost for peace is your freedom of self-being, what would you ask?
    All we ask is for you to give up your self control, let a higher power make the choices for you, let them decide what is good for you and what is not. No more stress, no worries, no troubles, all that is not peace will be swept away thanks to your contribution. Not just for a greater good, but for your greater good.
    So tell me, would you do it? Is this the peace you ask for? Or is this something else in your eyes?

  • @moonman2183
    @moonman2183 3 года назад +1

    I sometimes feel like at my young age, the physiology of my brain isn't allowing me to contain all of this information, at least not neatly. There is so much to take in, it is like being born again.
    When any human is born, their world is a raw, unfiltered, mysterious place.
    When we are born, we have no previous associations that are even remotely similar to what we are experiencing, and category simply does not exist yet.
    Over time, we will start to form ideas, mostly from independent exploration. At the same time, we will start to recognize the ones we love and listen to their ideas that they set for us. Our minds become more category-oriented, and we find that we are able to sort out our brains better as time goes on (until entropy catches up with us, of course).
    Though we see the future ahead of us all of the time, we shouldn't forget where we all began. As a mind with no preconceived conceptions of reality or any assumption of the sort. Infinitely stupid, and yet absolutely unbiased.

    • @moonman2183
      @moonman2183 3 года назад +1

      I'm at least glad it will get better over time from here on out, and not worse over time yet.

  • @markpellicle2643
    @markpellicle2643 2 года назад

    Shoutout to the Richmond, VA truck at 29:59. Almost didn't catch it but the city logo on the side is pretty unique.

  • @ahaider5841
    @ahaider5841 3 года назад +2

    Hope you've been doing well, Max. I for one am very thankful for all your content and your commitment.

    • @maxderrat
      @maxderrat  3 года назад +3

      I'm terribly thankful that you keep coming back to watch.

  • @gripken08
    @gripken08 3 года назад

    Awesome job again!

  • @ChanceTM
    @ChanceTM 3 года назад +26

    Kojima predicted the future...
    😂 🤣 🤣

    • @kafpachecoparizot9518
      @kafpachecoparizot9518 3 года назад +2

      Again...

    • @ChanceTM
      @ChanceTM 3 года назад

      ikr

    • @Aivottaja
      @Aivottaja 3 года назад +3

      I believe Tomokazu Fukushima did most of the writing of MGS2.

    • @ChanceTM
      @ChanceTM 3 года назад +1

      @@Aivottaja
      Then perhaps it is he who deserves the credit?

    • @FernandoSilva-gp6ks
      @FernandoSilva-gp6ks 3 года назад +3

      @@Aivottaja This is a debunked myth that people like you keep spreading like a bunch of idiots.
      thesnakesoup.org/editorial-articles/curious-case-tomokazu-fukushima/

  • @jimmythekiller8148
    @jimmythekiller8148 3 года назад

    Huh... that was really well done. I've always loved metal gear in general, but MGS2 in particular. It just got under my skin and stayed with me. Here I am decades later, still interested, still willing to peel back the layers and explore. While people bitched that "the cut scenes are too long." Either way, great video.

  • @EclecticEngineer604
    @EclecticEngineer604 Год назад +1

    Man I love this thought provoking kind of content , the way you articulate yours thoughts is amazing , new subscriber here 🙏🏼

  • @shophet125
    @shophet125 3 года назад

    27:55 it's also a callback to the original Metal Gear. Big Boss (Venom) made calls like this over the radio as Snake got closer to finishing the game.

  • @TheDailyMemesShow
    @TheDailyMemesShow 3 года назад +3

    This is a simulation world and we're mere players in it, whether we like it or not.

  • @mindandbody9427
    @mindandbody9427 3 года назад +1

    MGS2 was a helluva bait and switch as far as Snake / Raiden.

  • @jameswebb966
    @jameswebb966 3 года назад +1

    That was a nice cup of existential dread. Also, when I was a kid playing through MGS:2 I actually loved playing as Raiden. Like I wanted to play as Snake but I was just as content playing as Raiden because he was interesting in his own way. Maybe age also has something to do with bias. Great video as always!

    • @jackx5750
      @jackx5750 3 года назад +1

      I agree, I didn't know the difference. I still wish there was a section in the plant where you could play as him but oh well. They could have made an expansion where you play as him and show his side of that mission but too late now.

    • @KasumiRINA
      @KasumiRINA Год назад

      @@jackx5750 they literally did and it sucks. MGS2 Substance was re-released in GOG and is part of many HD and Legacy collections, the Snake Tales part lets you play Snake's part of the Plant chapter in 5 separate missions, with no Soliton radar (only AP sensor), little weapons and insane difficulty.
      So yeah they made it, just poorly.

    • @jackx5750
      @jackx5750 Год назад

      @@KasumiRINA I did play it and it seemed really shoehorned in and didn't make a whole lot of sense. Plus I don't remember getting to see the sections of the plant that only snake got to see like the unflooded shell 2 core.

  • @trueaddict8733
    @trueaddict8733 3 года назад +2

    MGS 2 was my first experience with the series aside for watching my older brother play the ps1 game. I ended up absolutely loving it and beating it multiple times as a kid. It ended up being the only game In the series I had any interest in playing

  • @astarpery6260
    @astarpery6260 3 года назад

    wow, you're incredible at explaining complex things in easy-to-understand terms. My view on this game, and Kojima, has completely changed. I originally went from thinking he was a genius to a poor story teller who was pretencious as hell....turns out I was just too dumb to understand the message! WOW. This is incredible. He must have had some serious balls of steel to do this with a game with his career at stake. Looking forward to the rest of the series from you.

  • @jbelli211
    @jbelli211 3 года назад

    I still remember getting this game as a young teenager, waiting forever for the sequel after having played the original MGS1 and being initially disappointed that I didn't get to play as Snake. Still the game was so good I continued on and finished the entire game and paid as close attention as a I could with the limited knowledge I had as a teen. By the end of the game I knew that there was some kind of contradiction between what reviewers were saying about this game and what I had just experienced. It was unlike anything I'd ever played or encountered before and I learned so much about story telling and the human condition just from a video game. It truly is one of the most profound video games in modern history.

  • @SkyStarNova
    @SkyStarNova 3 года назад

    Awesome video. Very important to remember those messages.

  • @sanadomcchurus
    @sanadomcchurus 3 года назад

    Your videos are pure gold

  • @kidyugi1
    @kidyugi1 3 года назад

    20 years later and we are still talking about this game. Good.

  • @MyX_ButtonBroke
    @MyX_ButtonBroke 3 года назад

    I love that this game is still being talked about today in 2020. Way ahead of it's time!

  • @adamm2091
    @adamm2091 3 года назад +2

    Lmao *Dank Sinatra*
    Nice Max :)

  • @TrapperDLuck
    @TrapperDLuck 3 года назад +2

    wow.
    now it makes a lil more since in mgs5 missions when Miller tells you about the mission about the bad guy, but the bad guy in question turns out to be nothing like what you heard (most of the time). yeah 1984 stuff, and the game was littered with it, I just didn't know how far back with the other titles.
    good vid.

  • @ShoneDaddy
    @ShoneDaddy 6 месяцев назад

    This was the first game I fully Heat as a kid. I’ll never forget how sad I was when Fortune died or when Vamp stabbed Emma

  • @ComfortZoneComic
    @ComfortZoneComic 3 года назад

    wow a mgs video that is not pointless complaints and tackles irl ...pogger ! subbed

    • @maxderrat
      @maxderrat  3 года назад

      AYYYYY! Thanks, homie!