[SPON: Use “102XW1VV” to get 10% OFF Baseus 67w PowerCombo: amzn.to/3X1tLor ] [SPON: Use “10SPIP7G” to get 10% OFF Baseus 100w PowerCombo: amzn.to/3RaGxNt ] #Baseus #BaseusPowerCombo
I heard a rumor that the reason the new laptops are not being sold is because of the "Recall" function vulnerability and they want to have a proper update before selling them. But also at the same time, there are some places selling them. Weird.
I have to wonder how Qualcomm saw/sees the competition for X Elite. They may have been so busy targeting Apple and not seeing anything worrisome coming from Intel that they completely ignored AMD.
Focusing on Apple is what Microsoft told them to do, and it avoids consideration of legacy software compatibility. If they compared to AMD it would be “compatibility problems and no gaming for 30 more minutes of battery life…”.
Yeah, I thought one of the benefits of ARM was that it would undercut Intel/AMD chips with phone CPUs... guess that didn't happen. Right now I can buy an ASUS Zenbook 14 with a Core Ultra 7 155H, 16GB RAM and 1TB SSD for $749 @ BestBuy. Seriously this undercuts any of those ARM laptops by at least $400!!! So for $400 more I get slightly better battery life and TONS of incompatibility issues.
@@milesfarber exaggerations. Core Ultra 7 gets only slightly lower Geekbench 6 scores than the highest end Snapdragon X Elite without the translation layer penalty. Battery life is easily 12 hours. Heat measurements are pretty similar in normal use. It's weird you feel the need to make up facts to support your case. It's almost like you don't know what your're talking about... It will be years before DX12 and top titles are all ARM native.
@@milesfarber ARM has some great advantages. I'm just not feeling it with repurposed Orion core - which was meant for servers, bought by Qualcomm and made Oryon and it's now supposed to be for laptops and strong mobile devices? I do hope that a bit of similarity it has with how AMD launched Zen is something that will make it a great competition, especially since ARM inherently always had advantage with low power use etc. Then again, it's not like x86 companies (I mostly know about AMD design, but Intel can make something great - if they will try and want to for once) didn't put a lot of R&D into lower power use. Especially AMD has been doing it for very long time, it's just that their main consumer market (desktop) didn't care about this too much. But in games they are winning against Intel chips that us 3x as much power. And this is in models that are not optimized for low power use. I really hope that ARM will be a viable alternative. But with 1 chip (made into few SKU's) - I don't feel like they will go that far. And of course further optimization for Windows on ARM has to be made etc.
Coming out swinging before Qualcomm can find its legs is just good business sense. As others have said, having absolute full supply ready for Back-to-School looks really good to your laptop partners.
I was thinking something similar. Amd and intel releasing brand new SoC designs on point when qualcomm releases x elite speaks volumes. We may have witnessed just the beginning of a gigantic war between x86 vs arm. Question is what is best for the consumers?
@@benjaminoechsli1941 I partially disagree. Yes, competition is key for a market, no disagreement there. The very last thing we need is another instruction-set architecture to fight over. It actively hurts performance and compatibility every single time. Who would compile an app for MIPS, PowerPC, RISC-V, ARMv7, ARMv8, Itanium, IA-32, and x86-64, each for 5+ operating systems? Nightmare. This is part of why modern software is hot garbage. No dev wants to compile and debug for 100+ platforms, so they settled for convenience and made another Electron web-app that performs like shit. If the choice is between multiple architectures competing to run code in a browser virtual machine the fastest, or one architecture that everybody will compile fast native code for, I will take the native-code option every time without hesitation. Can you tell the last decade of web app trash has left me very jaded?😅
@@TheBestRTaken005 Here it's cluttered with cheap anything-that-didn't-sell-entirely-as-expected. TVs, phones, laptops, pre-builts, components, etc. I've seen as many god-awful Intel laptops on Black Friday as AMD ones. And when you look at the specs there's usually something obvious. Like 128GB storage but 32GB RAM. Like WTF?
It's crazy to me that Windows finally has the technology we've wanted for a decade - quiet, efficient, long-lasting processors - and they decide to make the launch about AI, something nobody wants. Hell, people are probably NOT going to buy these specifically because of the AI.
I don’t know if they planned it, but it looks to me like AMD dodged a bullit by not being the first windows AI pc. There were several last minute changes to the OS, and the PR nightmare of “recall” feature that had to be recalled. I bet that a large number of buyers are still avoiding win AI...
Well, I'm actually going to. To be precize, no - I'm not buying a Copilot+ laptop any time (I wouldn't even have laptop, if my company didn't put in my hands). As a "money aware" user, I have 2 rigs to upgrade, and 5800x is mighty cheap even now, expect it or something better to go down in price till the end of the year, though it's good enough even now. As for second (desktop), I'll actually wait for NPU to become available in desktop form and affordable - yup, I'm looking probably a year ahead. What's the logic, then? Well, I still dream AMDs Fusion Dream. CPU/GPU working together, the combination is bound to be at least somewhat faster then one alone. Or, a lot. That dream was crushed by total lack of support from, say, Windows or basically any compiler, or how bad AMD APUs were in doing CPU and GPU work separately. But we do have some of the NVIDIA CUDA Dream today. Stuff like Python, Stable Diffusion... Except NVIDIA doesn't have a CPU. Then comes AMD, with CPU/GPU/NPU packed in more or less standardized packs with more or less stable characteristics. Somewhat like console. AND with at least two 'dark entities' behind - MS and Apple. Both will enforce that 'no calculating unit stays idle all the times'. And what does NPU do? Calculates. Because there's no AI, just electronics favouring certain calculations that AI wants, but works somehow without it, too. Also, GPU is kinda doing that stuff, too. Call electronic anything buzzy: threads, CUs, CUDA, Tensor cores, shaders - it's a calculating unit. Specified to do something better then others. If Windows supports it, then Windows works faster - may become the reason to expect first Windows ever faster than its predecessor (probably won't, but would be interesting). Compilers, owned by MS? Go! Server based "AI" stuff, delocalized to (dubious) privacy of your computer? Go! And, finally, Python stuff done by me. Some will become faster, even if just me is working on it. But don't forget that the libs are based on compiled C code, and if compiled C code starts using GPU/NPU 'if available', then... Python gets faster. Much. Oh, this is also going to start happening more and more even while laptop/miniPC exclusive. If I can get this for desktop ~300g the next summer, here I am, "AI customer" on a market that is already forming. And it will be the endtime for upgrade, anyway...
Windows has been going the spyware route and has been undermined, but Spyware with AI. Geez we are not stupid, like I remember back in the late 90s and 2000s private firewall was a thing and a must have. I believe those times have returned. Block windows, block Microsoft, block copilot. Only one app is allowed, your internet browser lmao.
@@PurpleWarlock Valve is more likely to do a Strix Halo mini PC than anything else. It seems we'll have to wait a bit more for a new handheld from them... Though competitors should use the new APUs next year.
Hey Tom your chart would be easier to understand if you put Strix first then X Elite when comparing them. Especially since you have another table labeled Strix/X Elite. It confused me for a hot minute trying to figure out which was which. Love the videos, take care
Im a UI/UX designer. I recently bought Surface Laptop 7, and this is the best decision I've made in the last five years. This thing flies through my huge figma file with no fan noise. My previous device was 2023 Asus ROG Z 14, which I don't have any single game installed on it, maybe solitaire. X Elite laptop meets and surpasses what 75% of laptop users need.
hype is a terrible thing for a new product line that has little to no mindshare yet. If snapdragon laptop flops out of the gate, it'll be the next windows phone.
In my opinion, I don't really care about the "AI" processing capabilities, and I'm going to avoid Microsoft's Copilot like the plague. I'm just interested in how fast, and how power efficient they'll be, and how much they'll cost. If the price and performance is right, I might even consider a laptop with a Qualcomm CPU. Though I think Qualcomm is expecting too much.
Problem is that both Qualcomm and AMD are releasing new products into a weak consumer market. Inflation is eating away any spare cash for luxury purchases, so the consumers aren't rushing to buy laptops.
instead of calling it inflation, we need to call it what it really is.... greedflation. These companies are not spending more on their raw input costs but are charging us more because they can get away with it for now. I think a lot of people have the money for these upgrades but are waiting for better prices.
this is true especially for us, coming from '3rd world countries' the price is getting ridiculously high to a point where we can only purchase a new laptop with AMD 7000 series at best ):
@henrythegreatamerican8136 Exactly the companies are literally responsible for said inflation, so what are we moping about? Not the consequences of our own actions 😢
@@KhizarKhan2001that will NEVER come!. RiscV is for microcontroller not mainstream SoC. It is behind in single core performance, like 3 generations behind.
@@User9681e It's not more efficient than Strix though or at least we don't know it is yet. It's a little more efficient than Hawk Point but that was Zen 4 and Strix is Zen 5. They'll likely be close in efficiency and Strix will have the performance no question. Let's see what happens.
@@vigilant_1934 we don't know yet true and it will definitely depend on the workload But generally arm are designed for efficiency from how the cache is structured to ram being on the soc itself To specific designs that are tailored to have efficiency in many aspects so basically what's happening is amd , Intel are making more arm like design and the X , oryon etc of arm are trying to mimic how x86 are designed So essentially you will one day have them both similar as arm is not risc architecture for a long time and x86 isn't really what x86 used to be anymore rather both more complex nowadays with special npus , instructions what not
I have a 7840U (which is the same as 7840HS, 8840U and 8840HS except for wattage) and it is BLISTERINGLY fast. Yes, I specced it up to full Gen 4 speed NVMe and 64GB RAM (my last laptop lasted 14 years because it was "over specced") to make it snappy on application startup, but MAN am I happy with it. Gaming performance (not that that's the focus) is about on par with an RX 470 in both Windows 10 and Linux. I've had exactly zero hickups with it. Lenovo Bridge handled all the drivers correctly on Windows and everything worked right out of the gate on Linux. I can't, for the love of me, see why anyone would buy an ARM based Windows machine at this point unless it's at a SIGNIFICANT discount. The x86 translation isn't fully mature yet and comes with a 10-20% performance hit when it works, and the Adreno GPU drivers are "not exactly stellar" at this point.
@@skyak4493 Many distros offer a Live Distro version that runs straight of a USB stick. That way you can test everything (except application startup speed, duh!) without messing with your installed system at all.
Indeed, I picked up an Asus G14 w/ the 7940HS, 4k 165hz screen and a 4060 8GB for $999 on sale at Best Buy in April. Why would I even consider an X Elite?
Hawk Point launched 18 months ago, and it's not any faster.... They must be high as a kite if they think that's going to fly at price parity. I mean, the x86 translation doesn't always work, and when it does it comes at a 10-20% performance cost. The Adreno GPU has "Intel like" drivers, and many of the ARM ports of popular software are still not as stable as their x86 counterparts. (EDIT: Brain fart).
I personally read the data as the pricing for Strix Point being significantly lower than the X Elite, which looks pretty significantly overpriced if OEMs are pricing laptops as high as they are with weaker features, specs are being sacrificed to not look terribly priced for essentially a new platform (with arguably more restrictive hardware configurations). Strix Point laptops are looking more worth the money spec wise, and the previous Hawk Point fills out the bottom 1500 dollar and below performance laptop space for AMD. (and can include dedicated laptop GPUs, and are pretty likely to support LPCAMM2 and extendable memory options, something the X Elite is probably unable to ever support)
Cannot confirm limited Snapdragon supply, my closest retailer (Germany) had Vivobook and Yoga from day one and a ton of different Surface Pro/Laptop models from day two. As they will probably not be bestsellers, I suppose there is more than enough hardware on the shelves. So it was not a paper launch, but I think we can safely say that more than one thing went wrong during launch leading to the strange situation with late reviews, removed features, unpolished GPU driver etc. They couldn’t launch later - they needed the USP to be the first and only Copilot+ CPU.
Very happy to see AMD actually do a real launch of a product. They have missed several opportunities in the past due to low volume launches. In fact, this alone tells me how confident they are in their product. It must be good.
Did you get any info at all for sub $1000 laptops with the full Strix Point (HX 370) coming out soon? The whole reason I'm excited for this APU is for non-flagship laptops *without* a dGPU.
I hope no manufacturer will try to pair Strix Point with a 4050 as a low end gaming laptop when a Hawk Point with a 4060 will be cheaper with better performance
Tom, besides missing the Switch2 , or for other handhelds and customers that don't want x86 I think AMD's new ARM project could have in mind bidding for future ARM-Windows devices including Surface.
I doubt they will beat apple at apple, but if they could do the energy efficiency thing with upgradable ram that would be interesting, and Linux support IMO. I mean gaming is probably going to be limited anyway. I'd love to see 64gb for not an arm and leg it makes a difference for software development. You run docker, ml, compilation, lots of ids, and sometimes local services. It's a challenge with mac, because the cost to upgrade is high. It's what we call low hanging fruit. Copilot is a bit TBD on impact. I'd prefer to see them start w/ what's known. The reason the m1 is doing well is it has a decent amount of power, and all day battery and no fan. I always hated apple, but i use an m2 pro it delivers. It's not a desktop but it is good that what i was hoping to see.
Sadly upgradable RAM is lost on laptops for Intel. Meteor Lake usually required soldered RAM. Now Lunar Lake has memory as part of the SOC. It looks like many Strix Point laptops will also eschew upgradable RAM. Both the Zenbook S 16 and that Zephyrus G16 mentioned in the video use soldered LPDDR5x RAM.
These asshat ODM/OEMs have been drooling at the prospect to start soldering on RAM and storage. As soon as Apple proved they could bamboozle their iDiots with it (not a hard sell for them), they leapt straight on it pretending consumers were just so desperate for 1mm thinner chassis that it was the only way they could possibly deliver. Cue avg 2 to 3 year product lifecycle due to increasingly dogshit windows releases, and OEM inbuilt obsolescence and they are laughing all the way to the bank. The backlash started immediately, but not enough people gave a shit (50% of people are dumber than the average person after all), so here we are. Everyone's going to get fucked for it now and it's all their own fault.
Although it feels unlikely at the moment, I REALLY hope they secretly release a strix point GPD win max 2 (3? You never know) considering I’ve been waiting to get one for a while and I’m hoping the extra wait will be worth it
@@Nicky_TM waiting for tech improvements always pays out. I dont buy first gen of anything. im currently planning a build with a 7800X3D but I curtrently have a 1080ti gpu and the current gpu offerings just dont interest me. by the time the new GPUs come out I'll have more info on the 9000X3d chips.
My wife has been rocking a 3200u laptop for work since 2020 and it has been rock solid (acer aspire). It’s about time for an upgrade and I am not even considering x elite now. AMD apu’s are just too solid on the low end for basic computing
Qualcomm needs to price cut the X Elite. Die size estimates show the X Elite is smaller than Phoenix. No way the X Elite should be priced like Strix Point, its more of a Kraken Point tier chip
Personally, I just wish they at least launched one advantage laptop with this CPU. Even if its with just a refresh of 7700s with 16 GB of VRAM. That would have made this the ultimate linux laptop. Sadly, we are stuck with Nvidia GPUs. While they are nice on windows, on linux, the experience leaves a lot to be desired.
I'm very happy with my 7840U. Gaming performance is right around an RX 470. Strix isn't that much faster (except for the NPU thingie that Linux users have no need for). Now, a Strix Halo laptop with 64GB RAM... but that's going to be pretty expensive considering how big that chip is.
@@prem3548 Ah, sorry. AMD Advantage = has a dGPU. I forgot. That does, however, beg the question: Don't you want to hang in there until RDNA4? RNDA3 (and I say this as an XTX owner) has been a bit of a flop in perf/watt, which is why Strix Point and Strix Halo have RDNA3.5 CUs. I know it's still a bit of a wait though.
Ooooh... 8:12 that's why ASUS actually allowed Gamer Nexus to keep driving things up higher and higher to get to actual people that supposedly can make a difference. The biggest launch of AMD laptops going to be so hard on ASUS timed exclusivity in the US it looks like and ASUS and AMD were not going to allow that very justifiably bad press to linger if they can help it. It also shows that the response from ASUS to GN was disingenuous. :( I have even stronger doubts now that anything they talked about with GN will actually come to fruition.
They lied about it before, refused to meet, sent out a marketer when they did, refused to admit any fault, and only under duress did they swear up and down that they MIGHT do something (but only after GN goes away). What could possibly give the idea that this company was going to do the right thing? I would argue that asus is about to get even worse as the corporate rot continues to spread.
How long do you think before desktop AI goes the way of NFTs? Because the few apps I have seen that use it are things either consumers won't care about or worse like Recall a security nightmare that will be banned in most places that care about security.
It’ll be a few years before we know for sure. Right now the hardware is being released into an ecosystem with no software that can leverage it. Kinda like nVidia introducing RT cores in the RTX2000 series. That was a horrible launch because of that same issue, but 6 years on and the tech has proven itself as devs have used it more and more and consumers like what devs are doing. We need to see how CoPilot+ is going to look like 3-5 years from now, and what other software might be able to take advantage of the hardware. Apple’s approach looks promising (if they can deliver), and if they have success, we’ll see copycats for sure.
The prompt based stuff Adobe has put in their suite WORKS. My wife is a graphics pro and she uses it all the time to make a quick "sketch" that she then fixes up. It has basically taken out all the boring parts of her work. She calls it her tireless slave :P
This reminds me of MS's first ARM launch. Only highend with lower end performance. A bit like high price chromebooks which are the same price as higher spec intel/amd offerings that are not Chrome.
Hopefully AMD can start hitting a cadence now where they have regular releases on time, with high volume, and on good dates for the market. I like how AMD is playing it safe with respect to performance increases and choosing to release on time instead of doing revolutionary stuff.
People were only interested in ARM PCs because they thought it meant cheap PCs with phone-like battery life. Pricing shows Qualcomm has zero interest in making cheap CPUs and these simply aren't fast or efficient enough to warrant their premium price. Testing has shown the second you actually ask it to do any real work battery life gets average really fast and they're perfectly happy sucking up just as much power as any X86 CPU. It does fine with dedicated ARM coded software and actually gets some wins, but loses badly when you have to drop to that emulation layer, and the vast majority of software out there does _NOT_ have dedicated ARM versions. There will be a few sales from hardware geeks that want to tinker with it (just like the amount of Arc sales), but to the average consumer they're quickly going to realize you're paying a premium price for a sub-par experience. There's plenty of software I still use that hasn't been updated in quite a while because it doesn't need to be, and with few buying ARM developers have zero incentive to go back and create new versions. With that glaring emulation drawback Qualcomm needs to be notably cheaper, notably faster, or have notably better battery life under load. None of which is true. This leaves them stuck facing off against Apple's M3 and Qualcomm simply doesn't have Apple's cultist following that will buy any iTurd for the logo on the lid. No one is going to pay more for a worse laptop than AMD and Intel already offer today, especially with new units about to arrive from both companies with notable improvements to performance and efficiency. Qualcomm _HAD_ to launch these ASAP to avoid that comparison to Strix and Lunar Lake and I expect to see some sizeable price cuts on these come fall. If Qualcomm stubbornly keeps prices high these will continue to flop in sales.
Every time AMD releases a new mobile APU, MLID says they are shipping a lot. But when I check at my nearest MicroCenter--wall to wall Intel. Where are these AMD chips going?
Remember that the Meteor Lake debacle (according to Tom) is where many partners such as Micro Center are shifting towards 50/50 Intel and AMD. We'll have to check in around September.
I think the reason that the snapdragon x elite doesn’t sell well is because we don’t see a lot of performance on native arm architecture. Everything we see this far is trough emulation.
Well, July-sept is a good time for back to school which is fantastic time to have the pipe line full of the latest and greatest with last gen filling in the budget class. Q3 could be really good for AMD if they can fill the channel.
10:52. $2100 for that is just insane. I'd MUCH rather have the Minisforum V3 for almost $1000 cheaper. Same basic form factor. Same RAM. Same storage. But V3 has larger screen and WAY BETTER processor (in my opinion).
We know it's Dave2D, but add a text with his channel or name to show appreciation and redirect people to other's material when usef. It's common courtesy online. ;) That aside, looking forward to the new AMD chip on mobile. It's about time my work switches laptops around. Maybe I'll push for one if they are that much better everywhere.
Doesn't matter if they ship 100million units. None of us have money, gas and eggs are insane price, tech unemployment is way up. Mortgage rate, insurance, medical rate way up. The last thing I want to buy is some expensive laptop with "AI" label on it.
I love that AMD constantly comes to Microsoft with a fantastic chip and a great idea for a laptop product Microsoft then says “yeah, make that chip and we will make the product” Then when AMD does, Microsoft backs out, uses something else Then it sucks And they come back to AMD and ask if they can do something else Rinse and repeat We are now on number what? 3? 4? When will Microsoft finally work with AMD in their laptops? This is getting ridiculous
I think the surface would sell MUCH better at $1499-1749 instead of the insanity that is $2099. And that is IF they fixed the compatibility issues. As is, it should be no more than $1399.
Looking forward to these chips in thin and lights. Have had so much use out of my old lenovo, but the old dual core intel chip is struggling these days even in windows. Definitely time for an upgrade.
I would wait for Lunar Lake laptops/handhelds for better battery, platform AI TOPs, and graphic performances. I already use my Meteor Lake laptop for my research works. More TOPs, graphic performance and battery hours are definitely useful for my use case.
A. MS may have improved ARM support for windows. But looking at reviews it looks like they are not even half way through for complete support. B. AMD teased a far better SOC (Strix) and Intel with Lunar at Snapdragon launch. It make sense most will seat on the wall to see who comes up on yop
Qualcomm tied their Snapdragon X to Microsoft Co-Pilot so that's a hard pass, it might run Linux ARM well enough but since it's brand new might need time for drivers and support.
There is a lot of money in laptops business, Desktop has great coverage on YT but it is flexing muscles. AsusTek has 2./3 of its revenue in ready PC (mostly I assume laptops) only 1/3 in components. And they estimate that they have 15% of whole laptops market right now (one of three biggest players), whereas they claim also to be biggest component manufacturer. So AMD going for laptops market might pose a bigger threat for Intel situation than loosing ground in desktop area.
While I'm glad an alternative to Intel and AMD is coming to laptops, there is no way I would pop for one of these devices this soon. The benchmarks have been too tightly controlled, IMO. We will see in a few months how MS and Qualcom are getting along.
I was also surprised that Qualcomm laptops launched in $1200 price range with those specs, while current AMD has 1TB SSD + 16GB for the same price. And 24GB coming for their new product. With similar 120Hz 3K OLED screen. And slightly faster performance and better compatibility. Qualcomm will win battery life for sure, but is that enough? This isn’t 5nm M1 vs failed 10nm Intel process. AMD and Qualcomm use both the same 4nm process. And Intel’s fall launch is 3nm. Apple M1 was 3x+ faster CPU and GPU and massive battery advantage. Qualcomm is competitive perf at best with much smaller battery advantage. It’s not disruptive enough to kill x64.
I'm really hoping Strix will have good efficiency in laptops like the Vivobook S16. We're seeing very good things about performance in the 45-54W, but that's not the "thin and light" category, and i'm so curious to see the performance Strix will reach in the 28W TDP range, especially the power consumption for single core tasks and,in general,in the everyday use of a laptop, where you don't have just a video playing in loop with the screen set to 150 nits of brightness, but you have a browser open with 2-3 tabs, maybe Spotify in the background playing your favourite playlist and in the meanwhile you're working in excel or editing a bunch of photos or a video. If in this scenario Strix will have the same battery life of X Elite powered laptops with the same TDP and the same battery capacity, it will be a huge fail for Windows on Arm, especially if Lunar Lake will be even better then Strix at ultra low power.
it's kinda weird that AMD continuing the ASUS X AMD collab with the previous and ongoing ASUS drama, either to make ASUS as their flagship or helping ASUS to recover
ASUS is their only worldwide partner who sells full AMD laptops. Dropping ASUS is basically giving up on selling their dGPUs on the gaming laptop market (wouldn't be a big loss tbh, I'm not paying 2k€ for a Ryzen 9 + 7600S TUF Gaming laptop when I can get a ROG Strix 4080 laptop or HP Omen 4080 laptop for the same price thanks to other tech retailers in my country).
Despite AMD/Intel "AI" processors, anyone who wants to work with AI locally, for example generating images, must have an Nvidia graphics card. Correct ? But what is the difference in power only between those processors and the old i7-13xxx/i9-14xxx from Intel ? Windows systems with Snapdragon I think are not ready yet, regardless of better energy savings. Thank you for the video and continue informing us about the news and differences between the old and new products.
@@andersjjensen Well, I don't know about AMD graphics cards because I never had one, but what I mean is that even though the new processors now have an NPU, the power does not compare to a dedicated graphics card (Nvidia or AMD). This NPU thing is just marketing.
@@RSV9 50 TOPS is about the AI performance of an RX 6600 or 3060. So you can absolutely do it, but it's not going to be snappy. I think it's a decent enough solution for laptops that don't have a proper dGPU.
@@RSV9 The “power” of GPU (16, 32bit) is wasted on AI that works as well on 4 or 8 bit. For inference I would prefer the new NPU to last years CPU with a big dedicated GPU blowing hot air.
@@andersjjensen I have a 350ti on a laptop, but only with 4GB vram, and although it can work in SD, it is slow. A more powerful graphics can easily reach 300-400 TOPS, even for laptops
AMD saved Microsoft with x86-64. Intel wanted HP-UX to be the premier server OS on Itanium, and gave HP a hefty head start on development. Intel's plan was that Windows Itanium should only be ready for consumers once 4GB of RAM became obsolete. But AMD also had the audacity to tell Microsoft that DirectX was shit, and when Microsoft didn't listen AMD released Mantle which later became Vulkan. AMD was also the first of the big ones to support Linux with no ifs or buts. And to this day, if you're a Linux Desktop user and don't want headaches you go all-AMD. In all honesty I think Microsoft prefers the status quo they get with Intel. AMD likes to disrupt the status quo. Lisa Su has said so many times. But Microsoft does not want disruption.
@@andersjjensenthis comment is so incredibly well said. They just go with Intel because it's safe even tho AMD is far and away the leader of innovation in x86 at this point and it's pretty clear to see. It really wild to me that Microsoft went so far into optimizing Windows' power plans specifically for the X Elite's power efficiency when if they did the same for Ryzen id be willing to bet they could be even more efficient than they already are, which it's current state still allows it to match and even exceed the X Elite depending on the workload. Lol.
@@dirg3music My hand tuned profile on Linux for my 7840U gives me about 30% battery life than on Windows when I'm just browsing and streaming... so yes.
@@andersjjensen Im glad to see that someone has actually put my hunch into action. lmfao. I've been saying it since the mobile 4000 series that there's an optimization issue here.
I hope with Strix Point launch, AMD pressured manufacturers to make a better quality Ultrabook laptop like how they make & experiment with the Intel counterpart. Its sooo disappointing seing AMD Ultrabooks aren't as good and have many choices as Intel Ultrabooks.
The news that 24H2 will come with spyware installed by Microsoft, ops, Recall installed goes wild, and the smoke has not disappeared yet, this should help these bad salles.
The hold Intel has in many places is still strong... Just looked at my university hardware store... and EVERY SINGLE LAPTOP they sell is ALL intel... or Apple. All of it. Zero AMD. So basically all the ``suggested`` laptops and computers sold to the average student who dont know anything... are all intel. Its crazy how many folks in control of what should X company buy/sell are intel fanboys... without anyone fighting back. It was the same at the big billion dollar company I worked at... all intel, I tried talking to the guys in charge of buying new hardware, showed them how AMD annihilated Intel on all the stuff we did... for cheaper... but they didnt want to change because ``contracts forces us to buy overpriced intel for reasons``... what bullcrap.
I've constantly said in this channel about Lunar Lake great things. But I am no AMD hater, strix will be a massive performer. My issues were with Qualcomm overly hyped, and complaining at 1200us was too freaking expensive, why not get a Macbook Air or Pro at that point. I'm happy Internet how this panned out. If Qualcomm wants to bash about battery superiority, it won't while intel and AMD is around. Period. So, Qualcomm take the back seat for atleast two years from now. Frankly, It was a no brainer honestly Qualcomm could had become the new chromebook x86. The price point should had always been 600-850 us. I'm guessing big OEMS didn't liked low margin laptops segment. When Arm supports dedicated GPU and most apps runs natively in arm, that's when I can see a premium price. And it's not happening soon. Score: MrPtheMan vs the state of corporate greedy Qualcomm. 1 vs 0. Internet vs the corporate ambition of ms. 1 vs 0.
Good news for AMD laptop, and also for ASUS (their Zenbook are very good) 😊 Also, it seems that Intel laptop with Meteor lake (14th gen as they say), like the LG gram are on sales now, before release the "15th gen" later this year. I would prefer the Zenbook S16 though (OLED 120Hz among other reasons)
the 370 would make for a very nice workstation. hopefully someone puts it on a laptop without a dgpu and 17.3 inch, but am not hopeful. they keep combining these with dgpus killing weight form factor and efficiency
I mean, it was now or never for Qualcomm. Their iGPU is modest. Doubt they could have made a breakthrough. I wonder if Xbox Mobile Store will be available for Qualcomm machines
Qualcomm just gave free advertising to x86 windows they are still relevant and can compete. Intel will be happy the Alchemist and battlemage will be a bargain compared to Qualcomm and AMD just became king of the hill with ultra portable with tight power budget and performance.
if i can put android on the X Elite , it could become the most powerful Android device ever And that is the only use case that I can think of where the X Elite would be better than Strix Okay there is another reason... developers who specifically want to do ARM development and want something faster than a Raspberry Pi
3050 performance is the exact performance I leaked for Strix Point a year ago. If someone told you it would be as strong as a 4070, stop following their channel.
A Mickey Soft Elite laptop. Uhh Huh. Sure thing. That would be a hard pass thank you. Microsoft wants to push out X86-64 and be the competition to Apple, will probably stop selling their many game titles through Steam in the next few years once they have their hardware in better shape and you could actually game on it and only make their games available through Microsoft's store or Game Pass or whatever it is. I don't touch Mickey Soft hardware so I don't keep up and was cheerful when their last attempt failed miserably. Microsoft started out as being an OS for an open platform, the IBM compatible - PC. When people call what they're making a PC is makes me sick because there's nothing open about it and it certainly isn't Microsoft's intention to make it open. Have fun buying anything you want to load onto those things through Microsoft's store, no more freeware,etc......... Not right away, but if their hardware catches on that's what they'll do.
The problem with laptops, at least for me, and pretty much everyone i know so far is,... that, at least to me, my familie and friends is,... that they either are to expensive, get to hot, dont offer enough v-ram for an reseonable price or simply havent enough of an battery difference compared to laptops they bought 5 years ago... And then the whole ai stuff comeing out is still at its beginning stages and noone knows if it will make any difference, or how well it will work and want to give ai more time to improve, as well as more improvements on the npu,... I think,.. the ai lable will have at least 1 or 2 years of an pretty rough start,... not to mention the privacy concerns many have. And what i am very hyped about for years now is the new 2nm gaa transistors,... and eventho i havent really mentioned it in my familie or friends circle and eventho they dont really keep to much up with tech improvements,.. i am hearing more and more, that they would want to wait for this new transistors as well, and then even well into the 2cnd or 3rd generation of this silicon... On top of that,.. the inflation also eats a lot of spare money away, coupled with increasingly expensive laptops,.. thats also a point to mention. They either need to get cheaper or inflation has to be battled,... prevereable both, because many will be hasitent to spend that money, even if things improve, just because of safety conerns... My beleave,.. ai marked laptops will only start to sell really good in the year 2027,... Maybe a good point to bring up, that there are quite a lot of articles out there, that mention this year also as the starting aera, where ai starts to become very good,.. but as allways,.. time will tell... I think,... at the moment, ai ist just a gimmic and not really an feature, its not there yet and its pretty much the selling point so far in the nex laptop generations... I really think that ai will be "beta tested" in phones first before it gets relevant for laptops or pcs...
![The BEST Laptop of the Year… so far? [ft. New Ryzen AI 9 HX 370]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/NMhvFn9dfHI/mqdefault.jpg)
[SPON: Use “102XW1VV” to get 10% OFF Baseus 67w PowerCombo: amzn.to/3X1tLor ]
[SPON: Use “10SPIP7G” to get 10% OFF Baseus 100w PowerCombo: amzn.to/3RaGxNt ]
#Baseus #BaseusPowerCombo
I heard a rumor that the reason the new laptops are not being sold is because of the "Recall" function vulnerability and they want to have a proper update before selling them. But also at the same time, there are some places selling them. Weird.
I have to wonder how Qualcomm saw/sees the competition for X Elite. They may have been so busy targeting Apple and not seeing anything worrisome coming from Intel that they completely ignored AMD.
Nvidia learned to never, ever let of the gas before AMD is always there to pick up the pieces. Qcomm is a child in comparison to adults
Focusing on Apple is what Microsoft told them to do, and it avoids consideration of legacy software compatibility. If they compared to AMD it would be “compatibility problems and no gaming for 30 more minutes of battery life…”.
Yeah, I thought one of the benefits of ARM was that it would undercut Intel/AMD chips with phone CPUs... guess that didn't happen. Right now I can buy an ASUS Zenbook 14 with a Core Ultra 7 155H, 16GB RAM and 1TB SSD for $749 @ BestBuy. Seriously this undercuts any of those ARM laptops by at least $400!!!
So for $400 more I get slightly better battery life and TONS of incompatibility issues.
Not to mention more heat, half the performance, locked down bootloader...
@@milesfarber exaggerations. Core Ultra 7 gets only slightly lower Geekbench 6 scores than the highest end Snapdragon X Elite without the translation layer penalty. Battery life is easily 12 hours. Heat measurements are pretty similar in normal use. It's weird you feel the need to make up facts to support your case. It's almost like you don't know what your're talking about... It will be years before DX12 and top titles are all ARM native.
@@LouisDuran I was talking about x86 in general, not Ultra 7 155H, sorry.
@@milesfarber ARM has some great advantages. I'm just not feeling it with repurposed Orion core - which was meant for servers, bought by Qualcomm and made Oryon and it's now supposed to be for laptops and strong mobile devices? I do hope that a bit of similarity it has with how AMD launched Zen is something that will make it a great competition, especially since ARM inherently always had advantage with low power use etc. Then again, it's not like x86 companies (I mostly know about AMD design, but Intel can make something great - if they will try and want to for once) didn't put a lot of R&D into lower power use. Especially AMD has been doing it for very long time, it's just that their main consumer market (desktop) didn't care about this too much. But in games they are winning against Intel chips that us 3x as much power. And this is in models that are not optimized for low power use.
I really hope that ARM will be a viable alternative. But with 1 chip (made into few SKU's) - I don't feel like they will go that far. And of course further optimization for Windows on ARM has to be made etc.
Coming out swinging before Qualcomm can find its legs is just good business sense. As others have said, having absolute full supply ready for Back-to-School looks really good to your laptop partners.
I was thinking something similar. Amd and intel releasing brand new SoC designs on point when qualcomm releases x elite speaks volumes. We may have witnessed just the beginning of a gigantic war between x86 vs arm. Question is what is best for the consumers?
@@aladdin8623 And the answer is, that very war is what is best. Competition drives down prices and drives up performance.
@@benjaminoechsli1941 Agreed
@@benjaminoechsli1941 I partially disagree. Yes, competition is key for a market, no disagreement there. The very last thing we need is another instruction-set architecture to fight over. It actively hurts performance and compatibility every single time. Who would compile an app for MIPS, PowerPC, RISC-V, ARMv7, ARMv8, Itanium, IA-32, and x86-64, each for 5+ operating systems? Nightmare. This is part of why modern software is hot garbage. No dev wants to compile and debug for 100+ platforms, so they settled for convenience and made another Electron web-app that performs like shit. If the choice is between multiple architectures competing to run code in a browser virtual machine the fastest, or one architecture that everybody will compile fast native code for, I will take the native-code option every time without hesitation. Can you tell the last decade of web app trash has left me very jaded?😅
So AMD looks like the Back To School deal, not the Black Friday Deal. That is a much better Position for them.
This is laptop sale season. Black Friday is last-gen-clean-out season.
@@andersjjensen I know and agree, but Black Friday used to be cluttered with cheap AMD laptops. Is this the future of Intel?
@@TheBestRTaken005 Here it's cluttered with cheap anything-that-didn't-sell-entirely-as-expected. TVs, phones, laptops, pre-builts, components, etc. I've seen as many god-awful Intel laptops on Black Friday as AMD ones. And when you look at the specs there's usually something obvious. Like 128GB storage but 32GB RAM. Like WTF?
As a Southern Hemispherian, I've always found it weird y'all don't marry your school year to the calendar year. Just feels....wrong, somehow.
@@TheKazragore isn't it different for each country? Not everyone starts school in September.
It's crazy to me that Windows finally has the technology we've wanted for a decade - quiet, efficient, long-lasting processors - and they decide to make the launch about AI, something nobody wants. Hell, people are probably NOT going to buy these specifically because of the AI.
I don’t know if they planned it, but it looks to me like AMD dodged a bullit by not being the first windows AI pc. There were several last minute changes to the OS, and the PR nightmare of “recall” feature that had to be recalled. I bet that a large number of buyers are still avoiding win AI...
Ding dong marketing goons can't ever seem to see past buzzwords.
@@skyak4493 AMD didn't plan for this, I mean they put AI in the name of their new chips.
Well, I'm actually going to. To be precize, no - I'm not buying a Copilot+ laptop any time (I wouldn't even have laptop, if my company didn't put in my hands). As a "money aware" user, I have 2 rigs to upgrade, and 5800x is mighty cheap even now, expect it or something better to go down in price till the end of the year, though it's good enough even now. As for second (desktop), I'll actually wait for NPU to become available in desktop form and affordable - yup, I'm looking probably a year ahead.
What's the logic, then? Well, I still dream AMDs Fusion Dream. CPU/GPU working together, the combination is bound to be at least somewhat faster then one alone. Or, a lot. That dream was crushed by total lack of support from, say, Windows or basically any compiler, or how bad AMD APUs were in doing CPU and GPU work separately.
But we do have some of the NVIDIA CUDA Dream today. Stuff like Python, Stable Diffusion... Except NVIDIA doesn't have a CPU.
Then comes AMD, with CPU/GPU/NPU packed in more or less standardized packs with more or less stable characteristics. Somewhat like console. AND with at least two 'dark entities' behind - MS and Apple. Both will enforce that 'no calculating unit stays idle all the times'. And what does NPU do? Calculates. Because there's no AI, just electronics favouring certain calculations that AI wants, but works somehow without it, too. Also, GPU is kinda doing that stuff, too.
Call electronic anything buzzy: threads, CUs, CUDA, Tensor cores, shaders - it's a calculating unit. Specified to do something better then others. If Windows supports it, then Windows works faster - may become the reason to expect first Windows ever faster than its predecessor (probably won't, but would be interesting). Compilers, owned by MS? Go! Server based "AI" stuff, delocalized to (dubious) privacy of your computer? Go!
And, finally, Python stuff done by me. Some will become faster, even if just me is working on it. But don't forget that the libs are based on compiled C code, and if compiled C code starts using GPU/NPU 'if available', then... Python gets faster. Much. Oh, this is also going to start happening more and more even while laptop/miniPC exclusive.
If I can get this for desktop ~300g the next summer, here I am, "AI customer" on a market that is already forming. And it will be the endtime for upgrade, anyway...
Windows has been going the spyware route and has been undermined, but Spyware with AI. Geez we are not stupid, like I remember back in the late 90s and 2000s private firewall was a thing and a must have. I believe those times have returned. Block windows, block Microsoft, block copilot. Only one app is allowed, your internet browser lmao.
Waiting for a new wave of upgraded handheld with new Strix
Waiting for strix halo for a new laptop.
@@wheresbarry1434Waiting on Fire Range for that, archaeologists will stumble upon my bleached skeleton one day.
@@wheresbarry1434 Myself, I can't wait. This Kaby lake machine is on its last days. :(
IIRC someone mentioned Valve is waiting for a special wave of Strix chips. Likely Strix Halo with 8/6 cores.
@@PurpleWarlock Valve is more likely to do a Strix Halo mini PC than anything else. It seems we'll have to wait a bit more for a new handheld from them... Though competitors should use the new APUs next year.
Been holding off for over a one and half years on a handheld till I can get a stix based one. Getting so excited to see the offerings.
Does this mean that asus has the strix point and has been already working on it for ally 2 ?
Hey Tom your chart would be easier to understand if you put Strix first then X Elite when comparing them. Especially since you have another table labeled Strix/X Elite.
It confused me for a hot minute trying to figure out which was which.
Love the videos, take care
Yeah, I was like, "he's saying the opposite of what this chart is saying!" lol!
Im a UI/UX designer. I recently bought Surface Laptop 7, and this is the best decision I've made in the last five years. This thing flies through my huge figma file with no fan noise. My previous device was 2023 Asus ROG Z 14, which I don't have any single game installed on it, maybe solitaire.
X Elite laptop meets and surpasses what 75% of laptop users need.
People are really buying a $2k Snapdragon Surface laptop? $2K laptop that basically can’t play any game or run legacy x86 software? Really?
they were buying intel m3 series laptops for years, x elite would be step up for them
If the price is right, I might consider a Snapdragon laptop for office work. But at $2k, the price is not right.
Yes, some people care more about hype and having "the latest thing" than whether the product is actually good or worth its price.
hype is a terrible thing for a new product line that has little to no mindshare yet. If snapdragon laptop flops out of the gate, it'll be the next windows phone.
Surface has always been overpriced
In my opinion, I don't really care about the "AI" processing capabilities, and I'm going to avoid Microsoft's Copilot like the plague.
I'm just interested in how fast, and how power efficient they'll be, and how much they'll cost.
If the price and performance is right, I might even consider a laptop with a Qualcomm CPU. Though I think Qualcomm is expecting too much.
I use copilot time to time on my 9900K... Haven't ran into any limit. No point getting something with an NPU.
Problem is that both Qualcomm and AMD are releasing new products into a weak consumer market. Inflation is eating away any spare cash for luxury purchases, so the consumers aren't rushing to buy laptops.
instead of calling it inflation, we need to call it what it really is.... greedflation. These companies are not spending more on their raw input costs but are charging us more because they can get away with it for now. I think a lot of people have the money for these upgrades but are waiting for better prices.
Qualcomm is just bad. Nothing to do with the economy. Bad product at a bad price. AMD is highly competitive
Laptops aren't exactly luxury products and laptop sales in general have been flat if not low some years. Inflation's also on a downward trend.
this is true especially for us, coming from '3rd world countries'
the price is getting ridiculously high to a point where we can only purchase a new laptop with AMD 7000 series at best ):
@henrythegreatamerican8136 Exactly the companies are literally responsible for said inflation, so what are we moping about? Not the consequences of our own actions 😢
ARM is cool, but there is a reason, we don't still talk about, Acorn.
Im still waiting for mainstream risc v :/
@@KhizarKhan2001that will NEVER come!. RiscV is for microcontroller not mainstream SoC. It is behind in single core performance, like 3 generations behind.
@@KhizarKhan2001Framework have annouced a risc v board, which is pretty cool.
Give me mainstream MIPS, I want to be the bigger computing hipster
I just feel sorry for people buying PC’s who don’t know what they’re buying - they will inadvertently end up with an X Elite laptop.
It is more efficient so if they don't know anything maybe they don't need best performance per dollar
this looks like a garbage bot post, along with it's single reply lol
All of their intelligence is artificial
@@User9681e It's not more efficient than Strix though or at least we don't know it is yet. It's a little more efficient than Hawk Point but that was Zen 4 and Strix is Zen 5. They'll likely be close in efficiency and Strix will have the performance no question. Let's see what happens.
@@vigilant_1934 we don't know yet true and it will definitely depend on the workload
But generally arm are designed for efficiency from how the cache is structured to ram being on the soc itself
To specific designs that are tailored to have efficiency in many aspects
so basically what's happening is amd , Intel are making more arm like design and the X , oryon etc of arm are trying to mimic how x86 are designed
So essentially you will one day have them both similar as arm is not risc architecture for a long time and x86 isn't really what x86 used to be anymore rather both more complex nowadays with special npus , instructions what not
you can either sell sub 999 dollar "office laptops" or whatever "gaming" laptop ppl buy. Something in the middle, is a very hard sell
Qualcomm wants to sell $1200 web browsing machines
I have a 7840U (which is the same as 7840HS, 8840U and 8840HS except for wattage) and it is BLISTERINGLY fast. Yes, I specced it up to full Gen 4 speed NVMe and 64GB RAM (my last laptop lasted 14 years because it was "over specced") to make it snappy on application startup, but MAN am I happy with it. Gaming performance (not that that's the focus) is about on par with an RX 470 in both Windows 10 and Linux. I've had exactly zero hickups with it. Lenovo Bridge handled all the drivers correctly on Windows and everything worked right out of the gate on Linux.
I can't, for the love of me, see why anyone would buy an ARM based Windows machine at this point unless it's at a SIGNIFICANT discount. The x86 translation isn't fully mature yet and comes with a 10-20% performance hit when it works, and the Adreno GPU drivers are "not exactly stellar" at this point.
I may do exactly the same just so I KNOW I can run Linux flawlessly and won’t be forced onto some spyware AI OS.
@@skyak4493 Many distros offer a Live Distro version that runs straight of a USB stick. That way you can test everything (except application startup speed, duh!) without messing with your installed system at all.
Thinking to get laptop with same chip, especially when new gen is near it will get good discount, at list i hope)
The NPU also differs 11 vs 16 TOPS , Hawk point using 2nd gen Ryzen AI.
Indeed, I picked up an Asus G14 w/ the 7940HS, 4k 165hz screen and a 4060 8GB for $999 on sale at Best Buy in April. Why would I even consider an X Elite?
$2K for a cellphone CPU powered laptop/tablet fuck that. But I’m waiting for Strix Halo.
Hawk Point launched 18 months ago, and it's not any faster.... They must be high as a kite if they think that's going to fly at price parity. I mean, the x86 translation doesn't always work, and when it does it comes at a 10-20% performance cost. The Adreno GPU has "Intel like" drivers, and many of the ARM ports of popular software are still not as stable as their x86 counterparts.
(EDIT: Brain fart).
Hawk Point dropped 18 months ago.
Strix Point dropped less than 18 days ago.
Strix Halo lands at CES 2025 in around 180 days.
@@handlemonium Thanks. Brain fart moment.
Strix Halo is kind of for people who want to game but don't need a Gaming laptop
@@handlemonium Those are announcements not actual releases. Strix Point won't be released for another 4 weeks.
I personally read the data as the pricing for Strix Point being significantly lower than the X Elite, which looks pretty significantly overpriced if OEMs are pricing laptops as high as they are with weaker features, specs are being sacrificed to not look terribly priced for essentially a new platform (with arguably more restrictive hardware configurations). Strix Point laptops are looking more worth the money spec wise, and the previous Hawk Point fills out the bottom 1500 dollar and below performance laptop space for AMD. (and can include dedicated laptop GPUs, and are pretty likely to support LPCAMM2 and extendable memory options, something the X Elite is probably unable to ever support)
It's a shame about AMD partnering with ASUS for Strix. I was really hoping it would sell well.
Why is it a shame? I'm pretty sure every laptop maker had a chance to make a deal with AMD, but ASUS was the smartest.
Dude, I’m so pumped for the possibility of a strip halo handheld.
That will never happen. Halo is a large chip, it needs custom motherboards. It won't even come to desktop.
Will never happen. Halo is 120 watt chip.
Cannot confirm limited Snapdragon supply, my closest retailer (Germany) had Vivobook and Yoga from day one and a ton of different Surface Pro/Laptop models from day two. As they will probably not be bestsellers, I suppose there is more than enough hardware on the shelves.
So it was not a paper launch, but I think we can safely say that more than one thing went wrong during launch leading to the strange situation with late reviews, removed features, unpolished GPU driver etc.
They couldn’t launch later - they needed the USP to be the first and only Copilot+ CPU.
HAWK TUAH point will have a lot of volume!?!?!? 😳
Very happy to see AMD actually do a real launch of a product. They have missed several opportunities in the past due to low volume launches. In fact, this alone tells me how confident they are in their product. It must be good.
Did you get any info at all for sub $1000 laptops with the full Strix Point (HX 370) coming out soon?
The whole reason I'm excited for this APU is for non-flagship laptops *without* a dGPU.
I hope no manufacturer will try to pair Strix Point with a 4050 as a low end gaming laptop when a Hawk Point with a 4060 will be cheaper with better performance
Look at ASUS' ProArt, ROG and TUF line-up. :/
hey Tom. Are you facing a window with blinds? The light coming in is distracting.
Until Windows LTSC or Ubuntu for X Eite is available, a definite no go for me.
Tom, besides missing the Switch2 , or for other handhelds and customers that don't want x86 I think AMD's new ARM project could have in mind bidding for future ARM-Windows devices including Surface.
I doubt they will beat apple at apple, but if they could do the energy efficiency thing with upgradable ram that would be interesting, and Linux support IMO. I mean gaming is probably going to be limited anyway. I'd love to see 64gb for not an arm and leg it makes a difference for software development. You run docker, ml, compilation, lots of ids, and sometimes local services. It's a challenge with mac, because the cost to upgrade is high. It's what we call low hanging fruit. Copilot is a bit TBD on impact. I'd prefer to see them start w/ what's known. The reason the m1 is doing well is it has a decent amount of power, and all day battery and no fan. I always hated apple, but i use an m2 pro it delivers. It's not a desktop but it is good that what i was hoping to see.
Qcomm and upgradeable are words that don't go together. Don't kid yourself. Qcomm wants to be apple only in Rip off pricing, and nothing else
Sadly upgradable RAM is lost on laptops for Intel. Meteor Lake usually required soldered RAM. Now Lunar Lake has memory as part of the SOC. It looks like many Strix Point laptops will also eschew upgradable RAM. Both the Zenbook S 16 and that Zephyrus G16 mentioned in the video use soldered LPDDR5x RAM.
These asshat ODM/OEMs have been drooling at the prospect to start soldering on RAM and storage. As soon as Apple proved they could bamboozle their iDiots with it (not a hard sell for them), they leapt straight on it pretending consumers were just so desperate for 1mm thinner chassis that it was the only way they could possibly deliver. Cue avg 2 to 3 year product lifecycle due to increasingly dogshit windows releases, and OEM inbuilt obsolescence and they are laughing all the way to the bank.
The backlash started immediately, but not enough people gave a shit (50% of people are dumber than the average person after all), so here we are. Everyone's going to get fucked for it now and it's all their own fault.
I just want to say, thanks for not making stupid, weird faced, thumb nails. I know the algorithm likes it, but one has one's dignity....
I'm excited for the GPD Duo going with the latest generation. Hopefully it'll launch around that July 15th.
Although it feels unlikely at the moment, I REALLY hope they secretly release a strix point GPD win max 2 (3? You never know) considering I’ve been waiting to get one for a while and I’m hoping the extra wait will be worth it
they said the crowdfunding starts in August
@@Nicky_TM waiting for tech improvements always pays out. I dont buy first gen of anything. im currently planning a build with a 7800X3D but I curtrently have a 1080ti gpu and the current gpu offerings just dont interest me. by the time the new GPUs come out I'll have more info on the 9000X3d chips.
My wife has been rocking a 3200u laptop for work since 2020 and it has been rock solid (acer aspire). It’s about time for an upgrade and I am not even considering x elite now. AMD apu’s are just too solid on the low end for basic computing
Qualcomm needs to price cut the X Elite. Die size estimates show the X Elite is smaller than Phoenix. No way the X Elite should be priced like Strix Point, its more of a Kraken Point tier chip
Qcomm didn't make enough this higher price. Even they didn't believe in this
It's probably already a cheaper chip, but there are more costs to laptops than BOM
@@defeqel6537 True, the Dell leak suggested it is decently cheaper. Maybe its OEMs trying to raise margins with the AI/Arm hype
Personally, I just wish they at least launched one advantage laptop with this CPU. Even if its with just a refresh of 7700s with 16 GB of VRAM. That would have made this the ultimate linux laptop. Sadly, we are stuck with Nvidia GPUs. While they are nice on windows, on linux, the experience leaves a lot to be desired.
I'm very happy with my 7840U. Gaming performance is right around an RX 470. Strix isn't that much faster (except for the NPU thingie that Linux users have no need for). Now, a Strix Halo laptop with 64GB RAM... but that's going to be pretty expensive considering how big that chip is.
@@andersjjensen Yea, I just want something that lasts but I don't want to wait a year.
@@prem3548 If Tom is right you'll be spoiled for choice around August. That's 38 days from now. You'll survive waiting that long :P
@@andersjjensen Not really bro, I want an dedicated AMD GPU paired with Strix Point. I haven't seen them announce anything like that.
@@prem3548 Ah, sorry. AMD Advantage = has a dGPU. I forgot. That does, however, beg the question: Don't you want to hang in there until RDNA4? RNDA3 (and I say this as an XTX owner) has been a bit of a flop in perf/watt, which is why Strix Point and Strix Halo have RDNA3.5 CUs. I know it's still a bit of a wait though.
Ooooh... 8:12 that's why ASUS actually allowed Gamer Nexus to keep driving things up higher and higher to get to actual people that supposedly can make a difference. The biggest launch of AMD laptops going to be so hard on ASUS timed exclusivity in the US it looks like and ASUS and AMD were not going to allow that very justifiably bad press to linger if they can help it. It also shows that the response from ASUS to GN was disingenuous. :( I have even stronger doubts now that anything they talked about with GN will actually come to fruition.
They lied about it before, refused to meet, sent out a marketer when they did, refused to admit any fault, and only under duress did they swear up and down that they MIGHT do something (but only after GN goes away). What could possibly give the idea that this company was going to do the right thing?
I would argue that asus is about to get even worse as the corporate rot continues to spread.
Totally looking forward to the notebook price war! Competition is such a good thing!
This comment exists just for the love of this channel for more peeps to come by and admire Tom's epic work.
😂😂😂😂 so you don't criticize AMD on the silly rebranding like you criticize Intel core Ultra rebranding?
How long do you think before desktop AI goes the way of NFTs? Because the few apps I have seen that use it are things either consumers won't care about or worse like Recall a security nightmare that will be banned in most places that care about security.
It’ll be a few years before we know for sure. Right now the hardware is being released into an ecosystem with no software that can leverage it. Kinda like nVidia introducing RT cores in the RTX2000 series. That was a horrible launch because of that same issue, but 6 years on and the tech has proven itself as devs have used it more and more and consumers like what devs are doing. We need to see how CoPilot+ is going to look like 3-5 years from now, and what other software might be able to take advantage of the hardware. Apple’s approach looks promising (if they can deliver), and if they have success, we’ll see copycats for sure.
The prompt based stuff Adobe has put in their suite WORKS. My wife is a graphics pro and she uses it all the time to make a quick "sketch" that she then fixes up. It has basically taken out all the boring parts of her work. She calls it her tireless slave :P
13:10 "this is the voice of the mysterons"
This reminds me of MS's first ARM launch. Only highend with lower end performance. A bit like high price chromebooks which are the same price as higher spec intel/amd offerings that are not Chrome.
I want to buy a mini pc, hopfully they come out around the same time.
Hopefully AMD can start hitting a cadence now where they have regular releases on time, with high volume, and on good dates for the market. I like how AMD is playing it safe with respect to performance increases and choosing to release on time instead of doing revolutionary stuff.
at a minimum, thank you for this news leak video
2100$?! That's beyond absurd...
People were only interested in ARM PCs because they thought it meant cheap PCs with phone-like battery life. Pricing shows Qualcomm has zero interest in making cheap CPUs and these simply aren't fast or efficient enough to warrant their premium price. Testing has shown the second you actually ask it to do any real work battery life gets average really fast and they're perfectly happy sucking up just as much power as any X86 CPU. It does fine with dedicated ARM coded software and actually gets some wins, but loses badly when you have to drop to that emulation layer, and the vast majority of software out there does _NOT_ have dedicated ARM versions. There will be a few sales from hardware geeks that want to tinker with it (just like the amount of Arc sales), but to the average consumer they're quickly going to realize you're paying a premium price for a sub-par experience.
There's plenty of software I still use that hasn't been updated in quite a while because it doesn't need to be, and with few buying ARM developers have zero incentive to go back and create new versions. With that glaring emulation drawback Qualcomm needs to be notably cheaper, notably faster, or have notably better battery life under load. None of which is true. This leaves them stuck facing off against Apple's M3 and Qualcomm simply doesn't have Apple's cultist following that will buy any iTurd for the logo on the lid. No one is going to pay more for a worse laptop than AMD and Intel already offer today, especially with new units about to arrive from both companies with notable improvements to performance and efficiency. Qualcomm _HAD_ to launch these ASAP to avoid that comparison to Strix and Lunar Lake and I expect to see some sizeable price cuts on these come fall. If Qualcomm stubbornly keeps prices high these will continue to flop in sales.
Every time AMD releases a new mobile APU, MLID says they are shipping a lot. But when I check at my nearest MicroCenter--wall to wall Intel. Where are these AMD chips going?
Remember that the Meteor Lake debacle (according to Tom) is where many partners such as Micro Center are shifting towards 50/50 Intel and AMD. We'll have to check in around September.
I think the reason that the snapdragon x elite doesn’t sell well is because we don’t see a lot of performance on native arm architecture. Everything we see this far is trough emulation.
Well, July-sept is a good time for back to school which is fantastic time to have the pipe line full of the latest and greatest with last gen filling in the budget class.
Q3 could be really good for AMD if they can fill the channel.
shame about Asus being involved. I refuse to buy anything from that scam-central of a so-called company.
10:52. $2100 for that is just insane. I'd MUCH rather have the Minisforum V3 for almost $1000 cheaper. Same basic form factor. Same RAM. Same storage. But V3 has larger screen and WAY BETTER processor (in my opinion).
Qualcomm is DOA. The thing is priced too high. You're giving up all that x86 software support for what exactly? A bunch of hype? No value.
Big ups man. Thx for being very accurate about things a lot of times.
We know it's Dave2D, but add a text with his channel or name to show appreciation and redirect people to other's material when usef. It's common courtesy online. ;)
That aside, looking forward to the new AMD chip on mobile. It's about time my work switches laptops around. Maybe I'll push for one if they are that much better everywhere.
Those windows central journalists are shilling so hard for Snapdragon laptops..
Doesn't matter if they ship 100million units. None of us have money, gas and eggs are insane price, tech unemployment is way up. Mortgage rate, insurance, medical rate way up. The last thing I want to buy is some expensive laptop with "AI" label on it.
I am most looking forward to the Minisforum iterations of Strix Point mini-PCs. :D I think those will sell super well compared to past versions.
Maybe Qualcomm and Microsoft shouldn't be putting X Elite in like $1500+ laptops.
Talk about Panther Lake, Tom.
He will. Once he has something actually solid. Not something Paul from RTG dreamt up while smoking salvia.
I love that AMD constantly comes to Microsoft with a fantastic chip and a great idea for a laptop product
Microsoft then says “yeah, make that chip and we will make the product”
Then when AMD does, Microsoft backs out, uses something else
Then it sucks
And they come back to AMD and ask if they can do something else
Rinse and repeat
We are now on number what? 3? 4?
When will Microsoft finally work with AMD in their laptops?
This is getting ridiculous
I think the surface would sell MUCH better at $1499-1749 instead of the insanity that is $2099. And that is IF they fixed the compatibility issues. As is, it should be no more than $1399.
Looking forward to these chips in thin and lights. Have had so much use out of my old lenovo, but the old dual core intel chip is struggling these days even in windows. Definitely time for an upgrade.
I would wait for Lunar Lake laptops/handhelds for better battery, platform AI TOPs, and graphic performances. I already use my Meteor Lake laptop for my research works. More TOPs, graphic performance and battery hours are definitely useful for my use case.
Another important factor for me is software support.
ASUS: Asooos
MLID: Ases
Me: Pegasus without the peg
A. MS may have improved ARM support for windows. But looking at reviews it looks like they are not even half way through for complete support.
B. AMD teased a far better SOC (Strix) and Intel with Lunar at Snapdragon launch. It make sense most will seat on the wall to see who comes up on yop
On paper the zenbook looks like a better match for the surface.
Qualcomm tied their Snapdragon X to Microsoft Co-Pilot so that's a hard pass, it might run Linux ARM well enough but since it's brand new might need time for drivers and support.
ARM chips are absolutely amazing but too bad Qualcomn and Microsoft still did not get the memo about pricing and affordability lol
Snapdragon Plus is the budget chip no doubt. But it's not great.
@GarrusVakarian-to2uh Sound like more drivers issues, give them time, they might get there at some point.
There is a lot of money in laptops business, Desktop has great coverage on YT but it is flexing muscles. AsusTek has 2./3 of its revenue in ready PC (mostly I assume laptops) only 1/3 in components. And they estimate that they have 15% of whole laptops market right now (one of three biggest players), whereas they claim also to be biggest component manufacturer.
So AMD going for laptops market might pose a bigger threat for Intel situation than loosing ground in desktop area.
While I'm glad an alternative to Intel and AMD is coming to laptops, there is no way I would pop for one of these devices this soon. The benchmarks have been too tightly controlled, IMO. We will see in a few months how MS and Qualcom are getting along.
Hi Tom, do you have any idea if 80 or 90 class GPU’s will be paired with Strix and when that might be?
X Elite is going to be great in enterprise, not consumer. Best battery life. AMD is for gamers/consumers with best graphics.
I was also surprised that Qualcomm laptops launched in $1200 price range with those specs, while current AMD has 1TB SSD + 16GB for the same price. And 24GB coming for their new product. With similar 120Hz 3K OLED screen. And slightly faster performance and better compatibility. Qualcomm will win battery life for sure, but is that enough?
This isn’t 5nm M1 vs failed 10nm Intel process. AMD and Qualcomm use both the same 4nm process. And Intel’s fall launch is 3nm. Apple M1 was 3x+ faster CPU and GPU and massive battery advantage. Qualcomm is competitive perf at best with much smaller battery advantage. It’s not disruptive enough to kill x64.
I'm really hoping Strix will have good efficiency in laptops like the Vivobook S16. We're seeing very good things about performance in the 45-54W, but that's not the "thin and light" category, and i'm so curious to see the performance Strix will reach in the 28W TDP range, especially the power consumption for single core tasks and,in general,in the everyday use of a laptop, where you don't have just a video playing in loop with the screen set to 150 nits of brightness, but you have a browser open with 2-3 tabs, maybe Spotify in the background playing your favourite playlist and in the meanwhile you're working in excel or editing a bunch of photos or a video. If in this scenario Strix will have the same battery life of X Elite powered laptops with the same TDP and the same battery capacity, it will be a huge fail for Windows on Arm, especially if Lunar Lake will be even better then Strix at ultra low power.
it's kinda weird that AMD continuing the ASUS X AMD collab with the previous and ongoing ASUS drama, either to make ASUS as their flagship or helping ASUS to recover
ASUS is their only worldwide partner who sells full AMD laptops. Dropping ASUS is basically giving up on selling their dGPUs on the gaming laptop market (wouldn't be a big loss tbh, I'm not paying 2k€ for a Ryzen 9 + 7600S TUF Gaming laptop when I can get a ROG Strix 4080 laptop or HP Omen 4080 laptop for the same price thanks to other tech retailers in my country).
Despite AMD/Intel "AI" processors, anyone who wants to work with AI locally, for example generating images, must have an Nvidia graphics card.
Correct ?
But what is the difference in power only between those processors and the old i7-13xxx/i9-14xxx from Intel ?
Windows systems with Snapdragon I think are not ready yet, regardless of better energy savings.
Thank you for the video and continue informing us about the news and differences between the old and new products.
Not correct. Stable Diffusion XL works perfectly fine on my XTX. Why wouldn't it?
@@andersjjensen Well, I don't know about AMD graphics cards because I never had one, but what I mean is that even though the new processors now have an NPU, the power does not compare to a dedicated graphics card (Nvidia or AMD). This NPU thing is just marketing.
@@RSV9 50 TOPS is about the AI performance of an RX 6600 or 3060. So you can absolutely do it, but it's not going to be snappy. I think it's a decent enough solution for laptops that don't have a proper dGPU.
@@RSV9 The “power” of GPU (16, 32bit) is wasted on AI that works as well on 4 or 8 bit. For inference I would prefer the new NPU to last years CPU with a big dedicated GPU blowing hot air.
@@andersjjensen I have a 350ti on a laptop, but only with 4GB vram, and although it can work in SD, it is slow. A more powerful graphics can easily reach 300-400 TOPS, even for laptops
Microsoft seems to hate AMD for some reason, so they wanted X Elite our first.
AMD saved Microsoft with x86-64. Intel wanted HP-UX to be the premier server OS on Itanium, and gave HP a hefty head start on development. Intel's plan was that Windows Itanium should only be ready for consumers once 4GB of RAM became obsolete.
But AMD also had the audacity to tell Microsoft that DirectX was shit, and when Microsoft didn't listen AMD released Mantle which later became Vulkan. AMD was also the first of the big ones to support Linux with no ifs or buts. And to this day, if you're a Linux Desktop user and don't want headaches you go all-AMD.
In all honesty I think Microsoft prefers the status quo they get with Intel. AMD likes to disrupt the status quo. Lisa Su has said so many times. But Microsoft does not want disruption.
@@andersjjensenthis comment is so incredibly well said. They just go with Intel because it's safe even tho AMD is far and away the leader of innovation in x86 at this point and it's pretty clear to see. It really wild to me that Microsoft went so far into optimizing Windows' power plans specifically for the X Elite's power efficiency when if they did the same for Ryzen id be willing to bet they could be even more efficient than they already are, which it's current state still allows it to match and even exceed the X Elite depending on the workload. Lol.
@@dirg3music My hand tuned profile on Linux for my 7840U gives me about 30% battery life than on Windows when I'm just browsing and streaming... so yes.
@@andersjjensen Im glad to see that someone has actually put my hunch into action. lmfao. I've been saying it since the mobile 4000 series that there's an optimization issue here.
Microsoft wanted the XElite with AI to target Apple. If Xelite was released after strix it would have been compared to strix and lost.
Qualcomm is willing to sell these at cost because it's a starting point for arm in windows
I hope with Strix Point launch, AMD pressured manufacturers to make a better quality Ultrabook laptop like how they make & experiment with the Intel counterpart. Its sooo disappointing seing AMD Ultrabooks aren't as good and have many choices as Intel Ultrabooks.
The news that 24H2 will come with spyware installed by Microsoft, ops, Recall installed goes wild, and the smoke has not disappeared yet, this should help these bad salles.
The hold Intel has in many places is still strong... Just looked at my university hardware store... and EVERY SINGLE LAPTOP they sell is ALL intel... or Apple. All of it. Zero AMD. So basically all the ``suggested`` laptops and computers sold to the average student who dont know anything... are all intel. Its crazy how many folks in control of what should X company buy/sell are intel fanboys... without anyone fighting back. It was the same at the big billion dollar company I worked at... all intel, I tried talking to the guys in charge of buying new hardware, showed them how AMD annihilated Intel on all the stuff we did... for cheaper... but they didnt want to change because ``contracts forces us to buy overpriced intel for reasons``... what bullcrap.
Microsoft fiscal year is ending early July. The launch maybe be to comply with Strock Exchange previous announcements
I've constantly said in this channel about Lunar Lake great things. But I am no AMD hater, strix will be a massive performer. My issues were with Qualcomm overly hyped, and complaining at 1200us was too freaking expensive, why not get a Macbook Air or Pro at that point.
I'm happy Internet how this panned out. If Qualcomm wants to bash about battery superiority, it won't while intel and AMD is around. Period.
So, Qualcomm take the back seat for atleast two years from now. Frankly, It was a no brainer honestly Qualcomm could had become the new chromebook x86. The price point should had always been 600-850 us. I'm guessing big OEMS didn't liked low margin laptops segment.
When Arm supports dedicated GPU and most apps runs natively in arm, that's when I can see a premium price.
And it's not happening soon.
Score:
MrPtheMan vs the state of corporate greedy Qualcomm.
1 vs 0.
Internet vs the corporate ambition of ms.
1 vs 0.
Good news for AMD laptop, and also for ASUS (their Zenbook are very good) 😊
Also, it seems that Intel laptop with Meteor lake (14th gen as they say), like the LG gram are on sales now, before release the "15th gen" later this year.
I would prefer the Zenbook S16 though (OLED 120Hz among other reasons)
the 370 would make for a very nice workstation. hopefully someone puts it on a laptop without a dgpu and 17.3 inch, but am not hopeful. they keep combining these with dgpus killing weight form factor and efficiency
The current AI hype train reminds me of when people printed Apple logo stickers and placed them on every item to make them "Apple" branded.
I'm here to discuss CPU Zen5 ;)
Anyone notice not a single one of the snapdragon elite x laptops is a 2n1?
I mean, it was now or never for Qualcomm. Their iGPU is modest. Doubt they could have made a breakthrough. I wonder if Xbox Mobile Store will be available for Qualcomm machines
X elite is just wayyyyy too expensive, it's ridiculous
Rog Ally 2 hopefully has an AI chip 👀
But Coretex told me recently that AMD is DOA because of Qualcomm 😁
Qualcomm just gave free advertising to x86 windows they are still relevant and can compete. Intel will be happy the Alchemist and battlemage will be a bargain compared to Qualcomm and AMD just became king of the hill with ultra portable with tight power budget and performance.
really sucks that strix point is gonna be locked into asus machines for the first month
if i can put android on the X Elite , it could become the most powerful Android device ever
And that is the only use case that I can think of where the X Elite would be better than Strix
Okay there is another reason... developers who specifically want to do ARM development and want something faster than a Raspberry Pi
Hey, where are the laptops with an RDNA 3.5 APU and as fast as RTX 4070 ???
all i see AMD Radeon 890M and perform like RTX 3050
3050 performance is the exact performance I leaked for Strix Point a year ago. If someone told you it would be as strong as a 4070, stop following their channel.
A Mickey Soft Elite laptop.
Uhh Huh. Sure thing. That would be a hard pass thank you. Microsoft wants to push out X86-64 and be the competition to Apple, will probably stop selling their many game titles through Steam in the next few years once they have their hardware in better shape and you could actually game on it and only make their games available through Microsoft's store or Game Pass or whatever it is. I don't touch Mickey Soft hardware so I don't keep up and was cheerful when their last attempt failed miserably. Microsoft started out as being an OS for an open platform, the IBM compatible - PC. When people call what they're making a PC is makes me sick because there's nothing open about it and it certainly isn't Microsoft's intention to make it open.
Have fun buying anything you want to load onto those things through Microsoft's store, no more freeware,etc......... Not right away, but if their hardware catches on that's what they'll do.
meanwhile asus
The problem with laptops, at least for me, and pretty much everyone i know so far is,... that, at least to me, my familie and friends is,... that they either are to expensive, get to hot, dont offer enough v-ram for an reseonable price or simply havent enough of an battery difference compared to laptops they bought 5 years ago... And then the whole ai stuff comeing out is still at its beginning stages and noone knows if it will make any difference, or how well it will work and want to give ai more time to improve, as well as more improvements on the npu,...
I think,.. the ai lable will have at least 1 or 2 years of an pretty rough start,... not to mention the privacy concerns many have.
And what i am very hyped about for years now is the new 2nm gaa transistors,... and eventho i havent really mentioned it in my familie or friends circle and eventho they dont really keep to much up with tech improvements,.. i am hearing more and more, that they would want to wait for this new transistors as well, and then even well into the 2cnd or 3rd generation of this silicon...
On top of that,.. the inflation also eats a lot of spare money away, coupled with increasingly expensive laptops,.. thats also a point to mention. They either need to get cheaper or inflation has to be battled,... prevereable both, because many will be hasitent to spend that money, even if things improve, just because of safety conerns...
My beleave,.. ai marked laptops will only start to sell really good in the year 2027,... Maybe a good point to bring up, that there are quite a lot of articles out there, that mention this year also as the starting aera, where ai starts to become very good,.. but as allways,.. time will tell... I think,... at the moment, ai ist just a gimmic and not really an feature, its not there yet and its pretty much the selling point so far in the nex laptop generations... I really think that ai will be "beta tested" in phones first before it gets relevant for laptops or pcs...