Total body ⭐️versus split training ⭐️ wenning Wednesday

Поделиться
HTML-код
  • Опубликовано: 22 окт 2024

Комментарии • 113

  • @michaelstepp5878
    @michaelstepp5878 2 месяца назад +4

    Sounds like a no brainer to me. Wenning warmups are a game changer.💪🏆

  • @SweatinSixty
    @SweatinSixty 2 месяца назад +6

    At 59, full body splits allows me to hit every body part 3x a week, doing antagonistic supersets for hypertrophy and a modified 5/3/1 for strength. The day in between gives me enough rest so I’m not struggling to live. As we get older it is all about the recovery.

  • @jpdaye
    @jpdaye 2 месяца назад +4

    These longer form vids are good, more context. Wenning warm-up are good, I added them to my programs over a year ago and they are now foundational work to every new program I build.

  • @Andrew-wu4qy
    @Andrew-wu4qy 2 месяца назад +4

    This man knows his stuff. Outstanding lifter 💪🏼

  • @rl00668
    @rl00668 2 месяца назад +4

    I started with full body workouts when I was in high school. But later on now with more responsibilities and working, upper/lower is just so much more easy to recover from

  • @FabianKowalski778
    @FabianKowalski778 2 месяца назад +4

    Good arguments Matt !!! And btw the wenning warmups are indeed a gamechanger ( but a fricking pain in the ass, especially in the beginning 🤣)

  • @dang.erzone2688
    @dang.erzone2688 2 месяца назад +4

    Probably going to have to head over to patreon one of these days because I definitely have questions lol. Tryin to figure out how full body exercises like Olympic lifts, kettlebells lifts, loaded caries and even deadlifts factor into a well rounded training split. All I know is that I like to break of my training every couple of months and switch from a split program to a full-body program with circuits and complexes. Maybe it's not ideal for strength or hypertrophy but it does wonders for leaning out a bit and honestly... its just plain fun sometimes

  • @bkaufman065
    @bkaufman065 2 месяца назад +3

    Another great video 🏆🏆🏆

  • @stevesorensen9648
    @stevesorensen9648 2 месяца назад +9

    So while agree with you Matt, may I share how I currently train at 62 years old with 46 years of training experience. I'm not a bodybuilder or a powerlifter per se. If I had to wear a badge it would probably say old school strength trainer. I've logged my workouts since the late 80's trying to find what I respond best to. So that being said, I currently do follow a full body workout 3 times a week. I get good results from this, however the details involved in how I do this are key. Systemically I don't recover well, never have. My program is periodized into 3 phases lasting 4 weeks each. My first phase involves sets of 15 reps, followed by phase 2, involving sets of 10 reps and my final phase involving sets of 5 reps. Each 4 week phase ends with a deload week to ensure proper recovery. Each phase also involves what I call "stair casing" my intensity so that my third week of each phase is balls to the wall training. The previous weeks are by no means easy, but they are not 100% intensity. Now this is important as well, each full body workout involves the use of different exercises that generally work the same movement pattern i.e. I'm not flat bench pressing more than once a week. I may have a dipping movement or dumbbell incline press thrown into one of the other 2 workouts. I do 2 or 3 compound movements per workout with one or 2 assistance exercises thrown in at the end. None of the big compound movements are repeated during the week. I need to point out that I can only make it to the gym 3 days a week. I've done splits on 3 days a week but I seem to back slide a bit when I do so. Is this going to make me a champion lifter, at 62, of course not (not even if I were 22). If I could get to the gym more often I'd certainly be doing some sort of split. But having 2 or 3 days to train, for whatever reason, I think some type of full body routine may be the way to go. All that being said, nice post Matt, thank you.

    • @WenningStrength
      @WenningStrength  2 месяца назад +4

      💯💯💯💯💯💯

    • @Xplora213
      @Xplora213 2 месяца назад

      @@stevesorensen9648 my own situation is similar. Poor systemic recovery… I think the answer is to periodise longer term. Push the legs hard, and arms moderate, and swap every 8 weeks. Maybe more gains over a year but mentally it’s very very hard to slow down that much. I want to be strong NOW. I am convinced the Westside approach just accepted that truly motivated people aren’t able to behave themselves. Better to bench heavy once a week. Better than benching Heavy three Times a week!!

  • @donjuanmckenzie4897
    @donjuanmckenzie4897 2 месяца назад +3

    Thank you Lord Wenning

  • @steeltoez8345
    @steeltoez8345 2 месяца назад +4

    I try to keep my workouts to 45 to 55 minutes. Upper lower splits or push pull splits let me stay in that range i believe is optimal for me. I have a more dialed in focus for each training day. Full body workouts for me need to have short rest periods to finish in reasonable time. Great for building up conditioning and work capacity, and getting back in the groove if you had time away from training.

  • @sergueyz
    @sergueyz 2 месяца назад +3

    Hypertrophy-specific training address most of the concerns. For example, there is a strategic deconditioning phase (a rest for 7-9 days), followed by high volume phase (15 reps) that stimulates tendon healing through increased NO levels in blood. HST site contains extensive literature on the subject.

  • @CaseyKayser
    @CaseyKayser 2 месяца назад +2

    Great stuff here. I love that they did a study to conclude that new lifters make gains. As an older lifter I prefer splits. This is because I need more time for mobility, warm up, and addressing weak points. Full body would require me to warm up my whole body. Also, my joints which is a huge issue the older I get receive more rest in between sessions.

  • @vancemcnulty8242
    @vancemcnulty8242 2 месяца назад +4

    Good points. If focused on skilled barbell movements probably best to split it up.

  • @K4R3N
    @K4R3N 2 месяца назад +4

    Full body was kicking my ass, turning into 90 mins gym session. Was too much for my 45yo body and leaving me in deep recovery holes. Now I'm doing/enjoying upper-lower which is more manageable for me

    • @WenningStrength
      @WenningStrength  2 месяца назад +3

      💯💯💯

    • @AK47_.
      @AK47_. 2 месяца назад

      @@K4R3N 4x a week or adapted? I’m finding full body similar to you. Too long and tiring

    • @K4R3N
      @K4R3N 2 месяца назад +1

      @@AK47_. Upper/Lower split 2x week. So 4 gym sessions total each week.

  • @anthonybartolotta3469
    @anthonybartolotta3469 2 месяца назад +2

    Knowledge napalm as usual Doc. Thx

  • @artimus142
    @artimus142 2 месяца назад +3

    For the algorithm. Thanks for the knowledge.

  • @ZEvenEsh
    @ZEvenEsh 2 месяца назад +2

    When I was younger and bodybuilding, when I really made my best progress, I trained every other day, but took two days off after leg day, that was after studying up on Dorian Yates and his influences from Mike Mentzer
    I like the split out, especially if you’re trying to build muscle because it allows you to get more volume of work
    When I’m training, beginners and intermediate who don’t have a high-level of intensity, I will do the full body workouts
    At the end of the day, when I make my decision on what works best, it depends on who I am training and what are the goals

  • @Mbstr1
    @Mbstr1 2 месяца назад +4

    I personally prefer full body over bro splits, but I do sort of a semi bro split in the sence that I focus on hitting a certain bodypart harder than the rest, while still hitting the rest of the body. I like to focus on a main compound lift that I make my session's main goal. For example: I might do barbell lunges, go really hard on those, but do some sets of push ups, pull ups, barbell curls, abwork naybe calf raises and that would be my full body workout. But most of my energy would have gone into that main lift, which for another session might be the bench press. Just my training prefference for me personally.

  • @DanBarbatti
    @DanBarbatti 2 месяца назад +2

    Great info as always Matt. The only times I have done full body is after a long lay off where the RPE is super low. No way I could maintain intensity otherwise

  • @ryanmurphy130
    @ryanmurphy130 2 месяца назад +2

    Would love to hear your thoughts on full body for strength and conditioning, looking at the tier system and what you think is best for athletes

    • @WenningStrength
      @WenningStrength  2 месяца назад +3

      Depends on the sport and needs of the athlete - hop on patreon and ask there 🔥

  • @AlexPittEdo
    @AlexPittEdo 2 месяца назад +5

    when you are against full body for a beginner, what split is best for beginners to get enough frequency in?

    • @Ello769
      @Ello769 2 месяца назад +3

      would love to know that too

  • @mark33030
    @mark33030 2 месяца назад +2

    This is so true, the more experience i get with training, the more i see the best had it figured out. Just look at simmilarities between Kirk Karwoski, Dorian Yates, and Eddie Hall's training. All three were at the top, is it a coincidence all three used lower volume and a bro split(basically) to get there? In my own experience, split training keeps you from chronic pain, and gives you way more wiggle room to figure out volume and be recovered for the next session.

  • @barbellbryce
    @barbellbryce 2 месяца назад +2

    Full body was fun and brutal on a cardiovascular levek when I ran it in the past. However, once you start timing things and actually looking at your training over a given 60 minutes, you find that 1/3 of your time is just warming up.

  • @michaelyoung6837
    @michaelyoung6837 2 месяца назад +2

    Golden nuggets🎉

  • @daltonmason62
    @daltonmason62 2 месяца назад +3

    Matt, you've said in numerous videos optimal workouts are about an hour long. Personally I enjoy keeping mine around 2 hours. Am I hurting my progress by doing that, or is it just past the 1st hour there's a point of diminishing returns?

    • @WenningStrength
      @WenningStrength  2 месяца назад +2

      My friend I’d love to have you on patreon for this question so we can dive into your training sessions and see some holes

  • @rl00668
    @rl00668 2 месяца назад +2

    7:35
    Also, another downside is a lot of the proponents of the full body workout for beginners (like Rippetoe) encourage high intensity and weight increases to working sets EACH WORKOUT, 3 days per week. Then people run into a wall within 4 weeks and get overtrained

  • @shuhelahmed4433
    @shuhelahmed4433 2 месяца назад +3

    I didn't know the 72 hour rule is that important. If I'm running a 4 day upper lower split with a 5 day being arm day, is this counter productive and will it effect my ME upper body 48 hours later? If so what do you suggest to bring up weak arms? Most of the advice I've seen so far is to have an arm day

    • @schwetang
      @schwetang Месяц назад +1

      I'm no expert but here's my two cents if you care: don't have a dedicated 'arm day' as that will mess with recovery. Instead, work your biceps after pulling and triceps after pushing. Use giant sets to get lots of volume in while keeping your joints and tendons safe.
      Example: 3x Preacher Curl + DB Curl + Concentration Curl

    • @rl00668
      @rl00668 Месяц назад

      An arm day would likely affect max effort. Just move the arm isolation to the upper days.

  • @GraphicsFrosTy
    @GraphicsFrosTy 2 месяца назад +2

    hey matt! great advices here, thank you. as a natural lifter in college with a main goal of hypertrophy and no access to bands or chains should i focus on accesories and high volume for my dynamic days? hope to join the patreon soon!

    • @WenningStrength
      @WenningStrength  2 месяца назад +4

      Bands are cheap so I’d first invest in those - also remember that if hypertrophy is a goal that tempos are used regularly to reduce stretch reflex

    • @GraphicsFrosTy
      @GraphicsFrosTy 2 месяца назад

      @@WenningStrength thanks so much

  • @psbjr
    @psbjr 2 месяца назад +2

    I superset my compounds and accessories so I can fit in more work in an hour, because I have relatively strong work capacity...do you think I'm getting to a catabolic state sooner because of the relatively high intensity and lower total rest?

  • @michiel5160
    @michiel5160 2 месяца назад +5

    You talk about 72h rest to give tendons, ligaments and cartillage time to recover.
    But in a lot of sports (weightlifting, wrestling, etc) you can't split the body up, yet the body seems to adapt.
    Isn't it just simply the more damage you do in a session, the longer you have to rest. And splits are usually best for powerlifting and bodybuilding, but aren't always practical for other sports?

    • @WenningStrength
      @WenningStrength  2 месяца назад +3

      Great question!!!! Hop on patreon I’ll explain my friend

    • @WenningStrength
      @WenningStrength  2 месяца назад +1

      wenningstrength.com/matt-wenning-patreon/

  • @nicholaspu
    @nicholaspu 2 месяца назад +2

    GOLD

  • @kobemop
    @kobemop 2 месяца назад +3

    If I were to go back in time, I wouldn't have done full-body three times a week because that's what contributed to injuries, and my tendons are not healing soon enough...

    • @WenningStrength
      @WenningStrength  2 месяца назад +4

      💯💯💯💯

    • @patrickjulius7352
      @patrickjulius7352 2 месяца назад +1

      what split did you end up landing on?

    • @kobemop
      @kobemop Месяц назад

      @@patrickjulius7352 I ended up mostly following an upper/lower split or a modified version of it.

    • @patrickjulius7352
      @patrickjulius7352 Месяц назад

      @@kobemop 3 days a wk or 4?

    • @kobemop
      @kobemop Месяц назад

      @@patrickjulius7352 4 day split, upper/lower/off/upper/lower and then the weekends off.

  • @williamlawlor7445
    @williamlawlor7445 2 месяца назад +3

    Imo for hypertrophy you could do either full body or split except competitive bodybuilding. For crossfit or athletic enhancement you could do either too. For powerlifting not a hope. Your joints would be fucked in no time.

  • @APR702
    @APR702 2 месяца назад +6

    Dude your channel needs to blow tf up . Such amazing content

  • @maqeelafzal
    @maqeelafzal 2 месяца назад +4

    My personal opinion only from Bro-science research not the genuine scientific research,Matt is referring to.
    If full body workouts were given a pseudo division of
    TOP ( FRESH)
    MIDDLE ( AVERAGE FRESH)
    BOTTOM. ( LOWEST FRESH)
    I have experienced the following differences in intensities and intent as percentages as explanation.
    BOTTOM 90% ( most fresh )
    MIDDLE 45% ( average fresh)
    TOP 10% ( lowest fresh).
    Depends on which division of body you start ; your freshest with, is going to dictate how improvements or even asymmetrical strength gains occur which as a bodybuilder is ok but not as a "Strength athlete".
    Not to say "Full body workout" is not great.
    Some one with asymmetrical Strength.......No, as a coach I wouldn't prescribe Full body workouts
    GPP Purposes.....YES, under supervision with excellent note taking abilities like and at degree level in sport science like Matt or Dr Squat
    Like life, you won't be 100% to train full body

  • @neobooger
    @neobooger 2 месяца назад +5

    What about Steve Reeves? I believe he would do full body routines multiple times a week. Admittedly he had incredible genetics. Maybe he was an outlier? Thoughts?

    • @WenningStrength
      @WenningStrength  2 месяца назад +1

      Great point 💯💯

    • @canalefit4819
      @canalefit4819 2 месяца назад +1

      Reeves trained almost 70 years ago, it's fair to say that we know a tad more about exercise science today. For the record, he belonged to the last generation of bodybuilders who trained total body, as they shifted towards different kinds of splits during the 60s.

    • @neobooger
      @neobooger 2 месяца назад

      @@canalefit4819 totally agree, but you can’t argue with the results he achieved doing full body routines. Could he have gotten better results doing a split possibly but all in all still a legend!

    • @canalefit4819
      @canalefit4819 2 месяца назад +1

      @@neobooger Sure it worked for him and for many others at the time, but there must be a reason why the entire bb community moved away from that style of training, and the reason is that better results were awaiting those using more specialised splits. In the end, we are trying to improve, not to stall. Total body does work, but it has its limitations which we should be aware of.

    • @williamlawlor7445
      @williamlawlor7445 2 месяца назад

      I saw his three day routine and I'm willing to bet that this was his precontest routine. He did legs last Ffs. Another thing is can you believe all this golden era stuff? Alot if them weren't as natty as you'd think.

  • @nickvoelker7180
    @nickvoelker7180 2 месяца назад +2

    The nature of social media is what drives these issues. It's an engagement economy, so the influencers throw everything at the wall, and then run with what sticks. The audience responded well to full body concepts, so many of them picked it up and ran with it. Unfortunately, their NASM certs do not qualify them to evaluate the efficacy of the programs they create. From a training and coaching perspective, it should be a unilateral top down flow of information. But on social media, it's set up so the cart pulls the horse. The better an influencer does with engagement, the less valuable their information is. They are playing to the crowd. Look at Matt, you won't find a better source of information in his area of expertise, but only 110k subs. Compare to Jeff Nippard with millions of subs. Jeff does not have a coherent message, he just stays right on the edge of what's currently popular telling his audience exactly what they want to hear...like do full body training, it's the best ever. Trust me, bro.

  • @dieselviper7811
    @dieselviper7811 2 месяца назад +4

    I thought Arnold was famous for working out six days a week and sometimes twice a day?

    • @WenningStrength
      @WenningStrength  2 месяца назад +3

      From personal talks with him that was all marketing

    • @dieselviper7811
      @dieselviper7811 2 месяца назад

      @@WenningStrength oh wow lol four always felt like the sweet spot when u was trying to be a bodybuilder six seemed ridiculous. I’m not shocked though that he would lie about that

    • @MikeDunn
      @MikeDunn 2 месяца назад

      @@dieselviper7811 Pete Katcharian explained that the six day program was only the weeks leading up to the contest.

    • @freehatespeech6804
      @freehatespeech6804 20 дней назад

      @@WenningStrength I can believe that. He admitted in interviews that he spread misinformation to confuse his opponents, like taunting them that children drink milk, but adults drink beer, etc.
      He also became a politican later in life so he was clearly ok with lying.

  • @andneomatmj23
    @andneomatmj23 2 месяца назад +2

    Great video with many valuable informations and explanations! I have proposition for you, instead of making courses "for shoulders" "for squats" etc. make university stiyle: "Mat Strength L1 Course" (L2, L3 etc. like levels in knowledge) and give all knowledge you have with all explanations: like, you have mitochondria and there is produced AT,P and other basic stuf - but make it on another level - course with such rounded information that it has not been seen.
    My two cents.

  • @Rowland_Hoskins
    @Rowland_Hoskins 2 месяца назад +4

    algorithm

  • @someguy2972
    @someguy2972 2 месяца назад +3

    Also from an athlete's perspective, say Football or Rugby, they're going to have all the sprints and running + agility work, plyometric drills etc. Full-body resistance training is just not going to allow for recovery in most cases.

  • @GraysonAugustine
    @GraysonAugustine 2 месяца назад +5

    Odd that Matt conveniently didn't mention strongman, who are bigger and strong than body builders and powerlifters alike. Every strongman comp is full body.

    • @fakename5015
      @fakename5015 2 месяца назад +4

      The comps. The workouts aren’t usually done like the fbw he’s discussing. And they do usually train as he mentioned. They may be full body days technically as they may work upper and lower parts but eg they usually heavy deadlift at most once a week, etc. Some of the most advanced guys may train heavy once every two weeks.

    • @canalefit4819
      @canalefit4819 2 месяца назад +4

      Sir, you have no idea what you're talking about. I mean, it's truly embarassing.

    • @WenningStrength
      @WenningStrength  2 месяца назад +3

      Strongman 😂😂😂

    • @GraysonAugustine
      @GraysonAugustine 2 месяца назад

      @WenningStrength let's see prime beef cake matt wenning hit a RAW conventional deadlift for max reps.

    • @canalefit4819
      @canalefit4819 2 месяца назад +1

      ​@@GraysonAugustinedon't pick fights you can't win, buddy

  • @RailPRO793
    @RailPRO793 2 месяца назад +3

    Ric Drasin of Incredible Hulk fame blamed the full body work outs to the days of non co Ed gyms. People didn’t have a choice but to work out whole body

    • @rl00668
      @rl00668 2 месяца назад +2

      Why wouldn't they have a choice exactly?

    • @RailPRO793
      @RailPRO793 2 месяца назад +1

      @@rl00668 because you couldn’t go to the gyms two days in a row. They had men only days and women only days. So people worked whole body on the days they could go

  • @SweatinSixty
    @SweatinSixty 2 месяца назад +4

    At 59, full body splits allows me to hit every body part 3x a week, doing antagonistic supersets for hypertrophy and a modified 5/3/1 for strength. The day in between gives me enough rest so I’m not struggling to live. As we get older it is all about the recovery.