"The Entitlement of these Men is beyond Belief" Julie Bindel on Surrogacy while visiting Glasgow
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- Writer, journalist and feminist icon, Julie Bindel visited Glasgow for the Glasgow Tactical Feminists 'Surrogacy - Women speaking up' event on May 6th which was organised due to the proposed changes in the laws on surrogacy in Scotland and the rest of the UK. This is her take on the subject.
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Huge thanks to Julie for your tireless work on behalf of women- the trade in women’s bodies is shameful on every level ❤
Julie Bindel is a demagogue
I have surrogacy worries because I feel we are raising a generation of children who could be very damaged in the way that children who were taken from single teenage mothers in the past
That was a wonderful talk. It told me so much about this sordid business. I'm 75 and a man and I defy anyone capable of walking upright and uttering sounds not to close to tears on hearing her closing comment regarding breast feeding and that poor woman.
It is a tad perverted two adult males adopting a baby.
@@Diamondsparkle788 It's a disgrace that society even allows it. It is, as you say, perverted.
@@Diamondsparkle788 I don't see what gayness has to do with it. It's just as bad when straight couples do it.
@@carolsimpson4422
Men are more sexually motivated than women. We don't want to have sex with babies. Some men do. As you would know.
@@Diamondsparkle788 They didn't want the baby to come out of a woman's vagina, as the vagina is "disgusting", so it had to be delivered by caesarian operation. The misogyny and entitlement of this posture is breathtaking. These men also failed to reflect that they both (probably) came into the world through their mothers' vaginas. What an interesting (and ironic!) perspective on their relationships to the women who gave birth to them.
Completely agree with all of this. As a gay man I always thought one of the few bonuses was that I was never expected to have children, but now you have all this terrible surrogacy which isn’t victimless. If you really want children for the right reasons then you should adopt a child who already needs loving parents and has been let down.
Is always a master class to listen to Julie. Thank you, thousands!
Babies should never be bought or sold
Why not?
Because human trafficking is slavery @@grahamt5924
It’s like trying to remove men and women from the bonding experience of pregnancy and childbirth - or of giving birth but getting used to not bonding with your child. It’s purely transactional.
Biden said the other day that children "Are our children"- meaning the state's children. In California, If you don't pander to your child's delusion of being of another sex, the state can take that child off you, this is an extremely scary governmental overreach.
Biden has said some extremely distasteful comments on children, such as them rubbing the hairs on his legs. A president with a long list of racist comments and was against gay marriage only 20yrs ago, now has trans men flashing their fake breasts on the Whitehouse lawn, surrounded by the fifty gender reich's flags of intolerance, where women are now classed as none men- unless they're trans, in which case they ARE women...
Next step birthing pods, if the globalists get their way....
The famous actor Gabrielle Union's surrogate carrier almost died during labor. The surrogate told her story about how honored she was to be able to give Gabrielle Union a baby, but she never expected the life threatening outcome she experienced.
Disgusting woman. Delighting in affirming the transition of her stepson, going against the wishes of the actual mother. Totally unsurprised that she used another womans body to fulfil her own desires.
Such a hypocrite after claiming to have been raped.
Pregnancy can be fatal. That is why women should NEVER be forced into it, by circumstances or otherwise.
Motherhood is just not seen as important and vital as it is anymore. It's comodified in surrogacy and daycare centers.
Thank you Julie - it's opened my eyes to what's happening.
The whole surrogacy industry gives me an uneasy feeling. The only way I can feel okay with it is say a woman carrying on behalf of her sister or very close relative, but only if not her own egg. That’s my personal moral limit. Maybe I am wrong even for thinking that ANY surrogacy can be allowed. I used to not think much at all about surrogacy, but have very much moved my stance over these last few years much moved by Julie Bindel’s insights.
Yes, misandry is an insight to you lot.
I used to think the same but learned that when it is not your own egg there are higher risks in pregnancy, it doesn't change whether you bond or not and you do actually exchange DNA with the child anyway.
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But you're a misogynist so even worse
Are you against abortion?
What a wonderful speech. More dreadful outcomes for women. As usual, poor women suffer and rich people can pay for a child.
People are desperate for kids and a family, so for those who can't do this naturally, they will jump through all the hoops put up for the hope of having a child.
This is extremely evil 😡. This is like Brave New World.
Julie is peerless !
Thank you Julie - amazing talk ❤
I remember Pope John Paul commissioning a study when the first test tube baby was born and the report commenting on all sorts of possible things that could happen to the mothers and the children born. People ridiculed it but sadly a lot has come true
Do you know if that’s available somewhere? It would be an interesting read.
I have no words, only tears.
Wow, thankyou for this eloquent, intelligent speech.
Hi Julie, I don't quite know what to say except BRAVA, what a talk. Not something that will leave my thoughts very soon....
I loved how you told the truth. Even I am catholic and traditionalist I am also a woman and a feminist and I subscribed to all your words. I hope people will listen to you for women and children
How is it possible to be a catholic (Christian) and a feminist??? Those two world views are ideologically incongruent. Are they not?
@@edniyaehcaor9509 1) Learn to read. 2) Do so.
@@edniyaehcaor9509 The idea that Catholicism and feminism are opposed is really a misunderstanding of what Catholicism is about and how the history of the church teaches us. It is true, as all society in western civilisation (Roman and Greek, European, American…) but also civilisation in Africa, in Asia… made very often women as the guilt and transformed women in victim, but Catholicism not. When you read the gospel you can see how women are brave, smart and important….
In the Catholic Church there are 5 doctors of the Church, that are guidelines to understand how to be a good catholic, 2 of them are women
@@edniyaehcaor9509 No they aren't.
This is the outcome of feminism. No more gender roles so you got what you wanted.
This is such an eye opener! Save women!
Always enjoy hearing what Julie has to say, I don't agree with everything she says but I 100% share her view on this topic.
It is a tad perverted two adult males adopting a baby.
Hi from NewZealand where I missed Kelly J Keen speak. Thank you Julie, learning that you are from the North East, made me like you a bit more, my Dad was from Northumberland.
Very enlightening. Not much different to trafficking. Thank you Julie
I adore this woman!
Love you Julie I have followed you and Douglas Murray for a very long time.. I am a straight woman but strongly believe in woman’s rights…❤️
Spectator--- did an interview with you and Douglas I have shared that interview hundreds of times. That interview should be shown in schools… thank you
I relate to todays topic some what. My sister inlaw could not for medical reasons so her sister using my sister in laws eggs and my brothers sperm and made my brother and his wife the happiest couple out.. the young woman is 20 and there has been 20 years of celebrating her way of coming into the world she has no problem that her Aunty bought her into world..
But I do not agree with the trafficking of babies or people giving organs to traffickers either.
The sperm donors shouldn't be allowed either.
Why not? If a genetically healthy women is married to a man who can't impregnate her then why shouldn't a genetically healthy man provide the genetic material for them to raise a happy healthy child?
Being a lesbian I wouldn't have had children if it hadn't been for sperm donors😮
@@sparagmos4748 that's the point. If there's a debate on any part of donation, then all of it should be banned. Why should one group have access to sperm donor, IVF and freezing eggs, while other are excluded? If you're that desperate to have a child then there are millions up for adoption.
@@CheCosaTesoro Surrogacy requires a great deal more than a sperm donation. It is also for a different reason. The sperm purely provides fertilisation, but surrogacy is to provide the incubation, which is a much larger expenditure for the body of the surrogate.
I'm not even opposed to surrogacy in principle, but clearly it is open to abuse whereas sperm donation isn't.
@@sparagmos4748 it is a interesting note to make though that society goes to enormous expenditure so women can have children (at least here in my country where healthcare is free) that all comes out of taxpayer money and often just goes towards families who waited too long to have kids
What a wonderful talk.
Jennifer Lahl is a great woman to listen to in relation to the impact of this industry and how this impacts the birth mother and the child.
Thank you very much.
an excellent video and an excellent talk - thanks very much.
Love Julie such an amazing woman and great speaker! I’d never really thought about surrogacy much before and certainly knew nothing about the absolutely evil and horrific things described by Julie. I wish I was shocked by this but it seems that capitalism has found another way to commoditise vulnerable women!
Try communism, it's even worse.
It is a tad perverted two adult males adopting a baby.
Brilliant!! An amazing woman doing extraordinary work - thank you for this talk!
Thank you for speaking about this human rights abuses
👏👏👏 blessed be the fruit
Under his eye.
The buying and selling of humans , where have we seen this before, this is worse than the slave trade
This is just an extension off it. Don't you know owners would rape their slaves then sell off their own children?
No it is not.
It is a tad perverted two adult males adopting a baby.
@@Brittanyjones-sf7rc Yes it is. Slaves were always bought and sold, (except where slave women were coerced into bearing a new generation of slaves, typically fathered by the slave master or his overseer).
@@993Redveg This is worse than the slave trade, seriously. lol
Couldn't agree more!
it was an honour to meet her!
£14000 to risk your life 😢
It's important that the opportunistic eugenics in surrogacy is exposed. We are on a path to Gattaca and designer babies.
She’s a little biased about a few things. Not a purist? But distances herself from many.
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I had no idea 😢
Some of the issues apply to sperm donation too but because it’s a short period and does not pose risks the way bearing a child does we don’t think about it.
@@silentvoice4970 Its totally comparable. Why these fat lesbian monsters are trying to raise a kid without he or she knowing who their fathers are?
Adding this to my funny Playlist
i’d like to see jordon peterson speak with Julie - he needs straightening out on a few things.
My birthday was f***** up because it was on Coronation Day
Love Julie and been following her for a few years and totally support her in issues such womens only spaces et al but i disagree that patriarchy exists in today's society (in the west anyway)
However, i havent listen to this so here goes
I think the main issue here is that if we “... would actually put them in some sort of camp where they can all drive around in quad bikes, or bicycles, or white vans,” wouldn't work because most of them don't like this kind of activities, as other men do, even though they too wish women not to be free.
make it illegal. period
It is a tad perverted two adult males adopting a baby.
What about kidney donation? Is THAT okay?
Not if it is always the poor and downtrodden who are 'obliged' by the system to give up one of their kidneys. What is NOT OK is the social and economic system that gives rise to this atrocity.
I’m sick of seeing this growing misogyny
What I want to know: imagine, you are a child with two loving parents from a surrogate mother. How would you listen to a rant like this?
Rant???? So Julie Bindel does not have the right to express her opinion and stand up for the economically marginalised and underprivileged women who are typically shoehorned into surrogacy by uncompromising circumstances. It might upset the (gay or straight) rich, white men who purchase their services. And yes, Julie is a thousand times right to see the obvious parallels with prostitution.
As a Christian mother it is really offensive to be called …..” some of these other people” ……we don’t want “ people like you “ ……..people like you shouldn’t ……then fill in the blanks . Can I put a case for Christian values ……..we actually believe in the sacredness of all human life , we actually believe in a loving God who bore in his own body on a Cross in excruciating pain the sins of us all , we actually look up to a Higher Being who gave us the breath of life and deserves to be glorified because we can do nothing without Him. “ People “ like me “ try every day to live a good life raise a family well , pay taxes , help others , are law abiding , never go to prison , never protest on marches , try to serve others before oneself as Christ did , and yet we are spoken about with Hate . Can you please examine yourself first , is your conscience clear ……are you perfect then? Would your life bear minute scrutiny and you would be completely perfect , I assume you have never told a lie , never stolen even a paper clip from work , never coveted anything , never swore, ………no , it’s all hypocrisy. Stop speaking about Christians in a derogatory way please……..forming coalitions with “reasonable people “ ……there you are again ……the ugly insinuations and sideways sniping ……horrible
Blah blah blah, me as a Christian mother blah blah blah. Just shut up already. We all live in your point of view.
Julie is about man hating and she thinks christians favor men. That's the whole thing.
Every time I see a slightly sweaty, topless, homosexual male in a hospital bed clutching his newly purchased human baby to his non-mammary chest, while his partner beams gleefully bedside, it elicits a disgust response in me like few things I have ever experienced.
These men should get a life. They are male, and therefore cannot conceive or bear children. Best to adopt a child who already exists. How ironic that they should call Julie Bindel, who is herself a lesbian, homophobic.
But is this not again taking away a womans power over her own body? AGAIN??
signing away your abortion rights for money is the opposite of empowering.
Do you consider the antics of Oli Locke and his husband to be racist? As the vast majority of surrogate mothers are poor foreigners and they speak of them as if the baby is nothing to do with the Mother and do not even consider the fact that women can and do still die from childbirth.... What can and should be done? I however am also opposed to lesbians planning to have families without a Father as recent decades have proved beyond doubt that Fathers are deeply necessary and society suffers without them as well as the child being deprived without their consent.
She's just angry man hating feminist, hypocrisy is their way.
No one is more entitled than modern women
No-one is more jelous than low status males
Is it "entitled" to want control over your own womb? As in prostitution, women lose their rights over their body the second they take money for their services. It is the man who matters; she is just a means to an end.
I personally dont know why anyone would want kids these days- nevermind letting that desire cripple their happiness or go to extreme selfish measures. Get a life!
My kids are my greatest wealth. I can't imagine living a life and not experiencing fatherhood.
Without children ultimately there will be no life!😮
I agree with her about surrogacy.
But "patriarchy" just means civilization. Like indoor plumbing, ladies? Then support "patriarchy."
its dealing with human life not indoor problem. a child is not a commodity.
what?
My basic point is that, while I broadly agree with her, the use of the term "patriarchy" to mean something vaguely bad is stupid. "Patriarchy" is synonymous with civilization. Take patriarchy away and we're reduced to living in barbarous squalor.
@@sammygoodnight
Patriarchy only consists of alpha males. Most other males are excluded from it. But men and women aren't equal and have different problems. So it's not suitable for women to say we are equal to men. Like veterans on the streets - that's a male issue, not a women's one. Rape - that's a female issue not a male one. (Generally)
@@Diamondsparkle788 No, patriarchy is a system in which all men are incentivized to form families and take responsibility for a wife and children. In other words, to become patriarchs of their families.
Alpha males, being alpha males, will naturally wind up in leadership positions, but doesn't a society want that? The most competent leaders on top? Because that's what an alpha male is... the most competent. Any would-be alpha who lacks that competence will soon find he's no longer considered alpha.
She has a very strange view of the world.
Howso?
So you have feminists telling women what they can and can't do: but they still manage to blame men...😂.
They blame men for everything.😂
I'm confused. Why would lesbians care about reproductive rights?
i dont know how to explain to you that you should care about other people
@@LightSpell28 carrying about people and telling people how to live their lives are two very different things. I care about people but the information I use to make decisions has more validity when it comes from the impacted group.
@@commonsense126 Have you actually listened to Julie's speech? She did research, she interviewed people involved (the people exploited in this business), she visited the places in question. She told several examples to illustrate her motives to be against surrogacy. You know, examples of the actual impacted group. You are free to disagree with her arguments and provide your own counter arguments, but saying that caring about people is not the same as telling them how to live their lives excludes the exploited people she is aiming to protect. Not sure how you're unable to understand that.
@@dvanaestcestica1135yes I listened to the entire speech. I've also listened to speeches from trans women telling me how females should behave. I reject there right to tell me a hetero biological female how I should live. I reject men who tell me how a female should live as well. They do not have the lived experiences that inform them about the context of my life.
Further I did not find her research convincing. Talking with people is a good way to confirm a hypothesis. But then one must perform a broad study in a rigorous way and utilize the resulting statistics to inform a policy position.
@@commonsense126 I agree. Ample and thorough studies should be made and peer reviewed and they need to live up to the scientific consensus, which should then influence legislation. It takes will, funds and time to do that, but I'm sure it will happen at some point. On the other hand, the technological progress is fast and is going much ahead of legislation, and more and more means are available to those who can pay. Don't you think we as a society are moving too fast in certain directions and making legislations without said thorough studies? Could you share your ideas on how can we protect the vulnerable from being exploited? If statistics show that the vast majority of people using commercial (remunerated) surrogacy to have children are upper middle class and high class, while the vast majority of surrogacy providers are low-income, not to mention those from 3rd world countries, can you really say that they are not exploited and should be protected? Or are you claiming that the law should'nt infringe their right to be exploited? If a poor woman in Cambodia or anywhere really, even in the West, wants to rent out her biological resource (body) to incubate an unwanted child for a monetary compensation, because she has very few options to choose from in order to provide for her already born children, or to fund herself out of poverty through education or immigration, who are we to say she's being exploited by the rich who are taking the advantage of her unprivileged situation? Just trying to understand your point of view.
I disagree with almost everything you say but you're entitled to present your case. But having a problem with an international breast milk trade? Is there some information I don't know about such a trade? Like is it forced? Because if it's not I have never heard a greater amount of female entitlement than criticizing single fathers who buy breast milk. The level of child and father hate is unbelievable
She gave feminists in the 70s the moniker ‘Manhaters’Heterosexual women were told we were sleeping with the enemy and should desist and proclaim ourselves ‘Political Lesbians.’Which she personally did.
A breastmilk factory run by men, that sounds nice to you?
@@LoudMinded again do single fathers not need breast milk to properly care for their babies?
@@kerryannestevenson6099 how do actual lesbians feel about that?
@@LoudMinded what does it have to do with the people who own it? I don't think anyone has an issue with a gynecology clinic owned by men and that's a uniquely female thing
What is a woman?
I doubt if Julie Bindel passes LOL.
An adult human female. Glad to clear that up for you
Your mum
@@ouwebrood497 Why? Because she is an older, post menopausal woman; because she is not young, fertile and slim; because she is a lesbian, or because she dares to speak truths you do not countenance?
Fruitcake.
Who are you calling fruitcake? A woman who dislikes men for being gay will always be a c-word.
C-word
These men are only following fundamental Feminists ideology.
It was you great leader who said 'A women is NOT born but made." Your whole Feminist ideology based on that.
I bet you my house that Bindel has read The Second Sex and you haven’t.
@@partiellementecreme Yes because that changes everything.... ugh
Good of you to take Simon de Beauvoir's quote completely out of context. Did you see it on some meme? LOL
@@georginachambers Did I also take out of context or see on a meme Beauvoir's signing a petition to legalise pedophilia. Her grooming her students and then passing them on to Sartre.
I agree with some of your points but it would be very useful if you’d rather include men in your struggle and also those conservatives you easily bash over their views. Is mostly women who endorse surrogacy on both ways and mostly women who endorse the majority of social issues we are dealing nowadays sadly … So it would be great if you’d be less radical on some of your views…
It is a tad perverted two adult males adopting a baby.
Her problem is that the man hating is her driving force.
@@ouwebrood497 agreed
It’s interesting how she totally blames men ( yet again) when it’s women using other women mostly. All her examples focus on gay men who are the minority when it comes to surrogacy. Also interesting how she says nothing about children growing up not knowing who their father is when lesbian women use sperm donors
Yup, it is the usual, feminist short sighted hypocrisy
Agree - which is why I’m not one
You clearly didn't listen. She didn't totally blame men. She blames the rich who use patriarchal attitudes to view poor women as property and see them as fit to be bought. But it IS men who own and run these companies and traffick women.
Oh I have listened a lot to Julie over the years which is why I know how sexist she is
It’s rich women who in the main don’t want to carry their own babies, or who can’t carry them that use other women
women and men have the right to do whatever they want with bodies you cant have it both ways.
It is a tad perverted two adult males adopting a baby.
Sorry, but this woman does nothing for me.
I am completely in support of surrogacy and IVF I don't agree with Julia here at all
She is a man hater plain and simple.
How you can turn the subject of surrogacy, in to a way to bash men is ridiculous.
Surrogacy helps a lot of couples, she has an agenda whatever subject she is talking about
It is a tad perverted two adult males adopting a baby.
I totally agree. Only listen to the way she talks about clients of sex workers.
@@ouwebrood497
But if a man has to pay for sex with a prostitute, he must have something wrong with him. He is either old, ugly or disabled. Let's be honest now. Since I know attracive men who get sex for free on swinging sites.
"Surrogacy helps a lot of couples", but does it "help" the surrogate mother. The example Julie gives at the end of her talk of the tearful Indian woman forced to give up her baby but "paid extra" to breast feed the infant for the (probably) first and also the last time, was heartrending. I agreed with her absolutely when she called the buyers of this service "bastards", as indeed they were, deliberately cruel with no moral compass whatsoever. Without a doubt, men "helped" by being able to buy the services of women in prostitution evince the same disgusting attitude.
Normally I'd never side with feminist nutters on anything. But on the train question we are, at least, in total agreement.
thank god you'll never be a father
It is a tad perverted two adult males adopting a baby.
Is this the first chink of the platform the GCs are going after the Trans if it succeeds .
what do you mean?