Suzanne Moore: driven out of the Guardian by the trans row
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- Опубликовано: 23 ноя 2020
- Suzanne Moore is one of the most famous columnists at the Guardian newspaper - or at least she was until she finally left last week, accused by colleagues of being a 'transphobe'.
For the first time, she talks about her experience to Freddie Sayers - what it felt like to be rounded on how she felt couldn't stay.
It's a sobering story of an attempt to shut down freedom of speech at one of the world's biggest newspapers.
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The most shocking fact to come out of this interview is there are 338 people working at the Guardian. All those people and only one opinion.
It’s called Diversity equality and inclusion. Not.
And they're all wackier than Suzanne Moore, quite a feat!
@@zootsoot2006 You live by the sword and you die by it. The irony is lost on her.
Nice! Alan is finishing the year with capturing the annual: "Most Succinct Statement" award... 👍
Diversity of opinions is literal Fascism.
Trans Person: "I feel unsafe, reading an article."
Suzanne Moore: " I feel unsafe, receiving death threats."
But isn't that the goal to hit first and cry if they hit back. So you are talking about hetrosexual rights which includes both Men and women rights.
If you really have that many fears about anything then you should take the time and stare at yourself in the mirror and tell yourself that everything is going to be okay. Do this for one hour every day for thirty days and then ask yourself are you doing better and then stare at yourself everyday for two hours every day for sixty days and then ask yourself are you doing better.
Assuming I don't get death threats from random people just for being trans. Assuming that attitude isn't fuelled by wanton dismissal by these fucking fanatics. Assuming I don't get treated like a fucking pariah despite avoiding politics entirely. She BATHES in politics, don't act so surprised that she gets aggression from people.
@@Megan-ii4gf Stop justifying death threats, holy shit...
@@eiyukabe Justifying them? I'm complaining about GETTING them!
One more ex Guardian reader here. I've read it on and off over the years but never really felt it spoke to me anyway, as an educated but working class person. In fact I've still not found a newspaper that does speak for the likes of me.. but I just read the offending article by Suzanne and it was excellent - spot on. Well done Suzanne and I wish you all the best in your career.
I think too much British media is linked to the USA and their sick society, and British people should be careful about getting too involved with those USA. extreme religious, misogynist youtubers, just because they have lots of subscribers, as they might use the anti trans message to get views, but they don't have much else in common with confident, intelligent, European women. When Americans and sometimes others rant on about lefties, it's as if they don't realise they're talking about USA capitalism. I looked into what they say those things promote, and all of it goes back to the USA. One of the things was an internet talk of child transsexuals, and they said the left cause it. Yet most of the cases where children are encouraged to change gender are in the USA.
Often you get those who say the word lefty as an insult towards multiculturalism. Yet how multicultural is Communist China compared to the USA? How multicultural is ex Communist east Europe compared to the USA? How many transgender children are there in Communist or ex Communist and left wing countries compared to capitalist countries?
USA prides itself on being a melting pot culture. Those people who join in with USA, misogynist youtubers, also don't seem to realise the National Health Service is a lefty idea, and Americans who insult the left wing also insult the NHS and free university that most of north Europe and Scandinavia have..
Most of the time, most socialist countries such as those in Scandinavia and other north European culture countries, main left wing policies are a free health service or free and cheap university. While the USA promotes transgender children, child male genital mutilation, a melting pot nation and liberal gender ideas to them. Denmark ban child male genital mutilation, while the USA encourages it, and Denmark is a lefty nation. Which causes some USA males to grow up angry and spending a lot of their time online, taking their issues out on women.
It hasn’t spoken for the working class since at least the 70’s, if not since it was the Manchester Guardian.
'No one wants to see themselves as a victim or being bullied.' - on that point I disagree with her, I think a lot of people LOVE that.
Only by the pretence of playing the victim and feeling 'unsafe' can they pose as the righteous and launch any manner of vicious attacks on their 'oppressors'.
Including her ! It’s all men’s fault !
Including Suzanne. She’s loving playing the victim!
If one is void of shame, in the game of intersectionality, the weak will use victimhood as both weapons and armour.
Weather they enjoy it or not, their stance is mandatory by way of their cowardice.
New religion.
Doubt anyone loves that, but "calling out" bullying loudly, clearly and proudly - there's nothing to be ashamed of - may be useful in defeating and eradicating the bullies and the culture which gave rise to them.
people saying they "feel unsafe" about an article that doesn't totally agree with their agenda is a way of cancelling someone by pretending to be a victim. it's totalitarian and anti free speech. beware of people who claim this simply because someone respectfully disagrees with their view.
This is what is known as "crybullying".
@@queenvanagon Exactly. She's getting a dose of what she's been dishing out to men for decades.
Feminists have been using this tactic for decades.
I feel that's what social media has brought to us. You even get censored on Facebook, RUclips etc. if you have a different opinion, no matter how well you put your argument.
@@Blog4Justice I call upon the power of the penocracy to cry as one.
This man is a great interviewer. He asks questions and lets the person he's interviewing speak. He asks the right questions and keeps it all on track and focused.
I haven’t watched it just yet but isn’t it surprising just how many interviewers don’t allow the interviewee to speak. Finishing their sentences etc.
Completely agree with you. Every journalist should be learning from him.
One of the best journalists with integrity left at this time.
I disagree. He carefully chooses his interviewees and don’t press them enough.
@@afoondun4986 Every interviewer chooses their interviewees how else do you go about it? One of the little secrets to getting people to open up and share things is not to act like a jerk. Pressing means you are coming from a position.
Utter confusion. If there are no such thing as women, what are these men transitioning into?
I believe the answer you might get to that question is an accusation of transphobia... 🤦♀️
That's exactly the contradiction at thr heart of it.
Yup well said, women are also not a subset of women which is why it is important to reject the term ‘cis’
They seem to be transitioning into a new category on the identity politics spectrum. Anything that gives them some power and airtime. Doesn’t seem to have anything to do with sexuality anymore, which is kinda bizarre.
@@ginag243 women aren’t a ‘set’ at all - they no longer exist - erased by feminism - simply a construct.
I read The Guardian - literally daily - for forty five years but stopped about 18 months ago when I realised it was no longer my friend.
Slow learners
Liberals get the bullet too.
Don't think you can now side with the very people you were indoctrinated to hate.
Better late than never. 👍
kudos to the strength of your stomach!!! :-)
45 years? Quite a sentence.
“Unsafe” is another one of those words that has become so stretched in terms of real meaning that it has been destroyed for those who are genuinely unsafe.
Exactly. Words aren’t violence. Violence is violence.
Yes. Plenty more. Violence, groping (does it mean grab em by the pussy or did a guy touch your upper arm twice at a charity dinner while flirting), bigot, racist, sexist etc. They have "boy who cried wolfed" all the most important words
She is still 'guardian type' :(
Feeling unsafe is now the go to activist tactic to get their way. They’ll use it as long as it keeps working. Eventually companies are going to have to grow a spine and tell them “Sticks and Stones”.... Parenting has been an abysmal failure with this generation.
You triggered me!!!!!
If the Guardian doesn't protect its writers then it deserves to go out of business.
But it has gone out of business. It went out of business years ago as a viable newspaper. It continues to exist in its present form only by begging for handouts from its readers, and accepting donations (ie, bribes) from the likes of Bill Gates.
Vote with your wallet!
Zak Martin that's not quite true; the begging is partly for money but mainly to disguise the fact that the guardian is a trust fund baby, funded by the £1 + billion Scott trust, which used to be off shore and sold the Autotrader business for over £600m.
The Guardian deserves to go out of business because its sh**e
I love these comments that the Guardian "deserves to go out of business!" Jesus, it hasn't been "in business" for decades. It's totally propped up with donations, and would've otherwise died a death years ago. It's no more in business than that other socialist bullshit outlet, the BBC - but at least we're not forced to pay a newspaper license in order to read alternative papers. (Not that I pay for a TV Licence either, to be fair, but most people sadly do.)
The ability to disagree without dissolving relationships (or at least not seeing someone as the enemy) is critical to progress. Frankly, it models maturity and we should reject the idea that voices should not be heard.
I love the quote “if the left are too scared to have the argument the right will have it”
Yeah. The right isn't impervious to this ridiculous belief system either though- some within that political sphere are also reluctant to speak plain truth and cater to the feelings of trans rights activists by, for example using "she" to refer to men.
I think the problem is that too much British media is linked with the USA. What people blame on the left wing and copy USA religious, misogynist youtubers, using the term left wing as an insult for promoting a melting pot society and trans kids, is actually promoted to the world by USA capitalism. In reality, the main left wing policies of socialist countries like most of those in Scandinavia and north Europe, are a free health service and free or cheap university. Guardian is obviously a USA lapdog, with how many years they have tried to use Russia as an excuse to get the USA and Britain to start WWIII.
Look how more diverse we have become since taking Farage's advice to leave the EU and become more of a USA lapdog. Farage is an ex Tory banker who needs to keep our economy closely linked with USA banks.
People in the USA who rant on about lefties also think a socialised health care system or not being $60,000 in debt to go to university are bad ideas. While they don't care a lot of ther money is spend on funding extremist groups to overthrow leaders friendly with Russia, or who don't want to trade oil in Dollars. Such as Afghanistan wasn't extremist until the USA were arming and training them there in the 80s against Russia.
The reason some British people also use the word lefty in that cultural context, despite most of us thinking the NHS is wonderful and seeing anti EU Tories promote cultural liberalism and multiculturalism more than any other political party, is that Britain is also run by the international bankers and our media is owned by them, trying to dumb down society by forcing talentless celebs and trashy Americans in our faces as role models, and trying to encourage everybody to live in greed, debt and a permanent state of war. Such as houses in the USA and Britain are classed as things to buy up and make money from others, than being homes.
The right will and are capitalising on the failure of nerve on the left regarding trans activism and move in to support women and gay people. It is criminal folly of the left to act so cowardly.
We (society) have (has) to refocus on character rather than identity.
Underrated comment
And people should veer towards character rather than reputation.
Great comment.
As Martin Luther King said. His statues are coming down next.
@@johnjameson6751 He wasn't white, so that's not going to happen. South African politicians say to "cut throat of whiteness" on their rallies and nobody cares.
Dear Suzanne, "Nobody likes to see themselves as a victim". You couldn't have said anything LESS correct. All the people who have taken pot-shots at you see themselves as universal victims. Words are weapons to them as are views and that's why they don't feel safe. This lady's plight is a wake up call for all sane people.
Wrong people in the world love to victimise themselves!
Suzanne no, people in general yes
The cult of the sacred victim is the most sacred and popular mania in the world today . Authoritarian love this as they can purport to defend their group rights.
Some trangender advocates appear to want to make erections as well as speech enforceable by law. Both are impossible and would require Maoist levels of social shaming and repression Orwellian controll of speech and thought and perhaps civil war in US.
In the Gulag Archipelago, Solzhenitsyn tells that the people who had the toughest time of anyone were those who were true believers in the party and couldn't believe that they had been sent there. Surely it must have been some mistake.
@Richard Smith Really good comment, which sums up this woman's mindset perfectly.
The useful idiots, today’s academics
Discribes this Feminist in a nutshell, good coment.
Who else are you going to throw into prison once you've gone through all the 'reactionaries' you feasted on at the beginning? It's party loyalists or close the gulags, and gulags are the crack cocaine of revolutionary triumphalism.
After ten minutes of listening to her, my immediately reaction: useful idiot.
Yet she still hasn’t figured it out.
Saying one feels unsafe and might harm oneself is classic male-pattern abusive behavior. Do what they want or they threaten suicide, murder, or both.
Male-pattern? Few men would say they "feel unsafe" - even if they did in fact feel unsafe.
For someone who identifies as working class, reading the Guardian makes me cringe. Terrible paper now.
"Identifies" as working class?
Sounds like the Guardian is the right paper for you.
I'm not working class, BTW. I was turned on to the Grauniad by a mate when we worked in Saudi, back in the eighties. Pretty much the only paper I read until I started to pay more attention to what is ACTUALLY happening in the world - thanks in large part to RUclips. Now I realise it will blatantly lie to push its agenda. Pity, because its a nicely polished product - shame it can't just print the truth.
"Identifies as working class." You've adopted their language.
I used to read it as a pretentious 20-something in the early 90's. Proper virtue signalling to produce a copy of the thick Guardian paper in front of one's colleagues, although it was not yet the complete and total toilet paper it was to become. Now, as a sane and logical middle-aged libertarian, the very thought of that Leftist propaganda rag makes me wretch. I understand the Leftist mindset, and it's an ugly, ugly thing. You live and learn.
@The Matrix don't lump lefties and liberals together
Every time we think 'this is in retreat' it grows stronger. It has so infected our institutions that it will be very difficult for it to be forced out.
this 'witch hunt' is simply a way for ruthlessly ambitious young Guardian journalists & freelancers to try and clear the lane for their own careers.
Great point!
I disagree. It's much more.
The Left is a Cult like the Nazis.
They are doing the same things & I'm afraid that we know how this ends.
@@tombergins8215 yes, it has elements of a cult. The lead witch-hunters here are young, ruthlessly ambitious, mostly female journalists who will stop at nothing to climb the slippery pole in their career. I live in London and I know the type because I've dated at least two of the them, and my brother dated one of them as well. This hard left ideology is just their chosen smokescreen to mask naked ambition for power, status and influence.
@@tombergins8215 Oh please. If there weren't money in it, do you seriously believe they would do it? Then they have you fooled, actually.
Thank you. Of course!
I'm getting old now. I remember when the Guardian was a good and decent newspaper & the BBC was worth watching. I don't have time for either of them now.
Shit, you must be ancient.
@@keycuz I helped build Stonehenge
@Grim Shader Dull. The Sixties were a blast, though.
Let’s complain about them but not give up on them!
@@charlytaylor1748 when I was a child i fantasised about the 4os being exciting because of the war that my grandfather used to talk about
If rational debate makes you feel "unsafe", then you need to get a less stressful job.
Or a lifetime's supply of Mogadons!
Unsafe when you're separating trans women from "real women". Yes.
@@Megan-ii4gf remove those quotes right now.
@@Andrew-th8jk You've just proven why trans people are a persecuted minority even in Western society. Well done.
@@Megan-ii4gf no, i pointed out that you don't need quotes if you are stating facts. VERY dishonest of you. every innocent human deserves some level of respect, nobody here is going after trans people, i am going after pseudoscientific truth claims. this isn't about trans people aa people, its about the claims they make.
How did people get in charge that almost nobody agrees with?
by everyone complying to "who is in charge" (-selected by the "rich"- aka by licking rich as...ss.)
Such people climb the social ladder in order to control others. They know that the majority would not vote them so they need control. These are sick people, and I mean it.
It’s called activism!!!
@@starsine9062 The long march through the institutions.
@Luis Carruthers - Common Purpose. Their placemen are found in all public-funded and left wing institutions.
At the law firm where I work, there are some self-appointed language police telling us to no longer use the words "Mr" (for those whose first name is obviously male) and "Ms" (for those whose first name is obviously female) in case the person "identifies" as the other sex. When I objected, I was told that we have to follow these new "rules" because our company places a lot of emphasis on "diversity" and that we have to use language that is "contemporary". I honestly don't know what the world is coming to.
Good god.. Ridiculous. What do you need to say now?
@@Jammygift Nothing. We just omit the word "Mr" or "Ms". So it would be "John Smith" rather than "Mr John Smith". Bullshit of course but I don't intend followi g the new "rules";)
@@barrymurphy1982 Good. Its absolutely crazy that the world is taking note of, who to me are a bunch of crazy people.
@@Jammygift I know. If anyone addresses me in writing without using "Mr", I'll politely remind them that I am a man and would like to be addressed as such.
Hopefully the world is coming to a place where people in minority groups feel safer.
“It’s hard to know if the people calling me terf are on the left”
You’re joking right?
Some of them are on the right. TERF isn't just an acronym anymore. It's been a subject-specific replacement for 'cunt' for quite some time now.
@@daisyhaynes3104 yes, but people on the right won't use that word against this woman for this particular reason, and that's what we're talking about here. I mean come on do I have to spell it out?
@@motherofallemails Do you think there aren't trans believers on the right? A lot of transwomen are *themselves* on the right. Transgenderism isn't a left *or* right issue; it just so happens that there's more support for it on the left. What that means is that the worst the left call women is TERF, but the right still trots out the usual abhorrent misogyny and merely tacks TERF onto the end of it.
@@daisyhaynes3104 most are on the left, with few on the right. One thing they all have in common though is that they are ALL MEN lol
You could see that was the hardest reality for her to face, they're eating their own.
The guardian have helped create this Frankenstein’s monster and now its eating its own. Some are looking for the off switch (this columnist) and others are complying whilst hiding with their eyes closed in case it gets them.
I’ve said the same thing in America. A monster has been created and it’s out of control, turning on its master.
This columnist is only looking for the off switch for the persecution against herself. She will gladly keep the on position for others.
Just look at her. She is still self-righteous and full of herself. And calls herself anarchist.
@@Kurtlane She doesn't know what one is. Her sense of justice and compassion stretches as far as her next pay cheque. Next one, please be Jones or Monbiot. Good post.
Owen Jones is THE Frankenstein's Monster.
Yes, they was okay when it was attacking others but now it has turned on them they don't like it.
Trans rights are human rights. What they're asking for though is special treatment. They're demanding we suspend disbelief and ignore science. Transwomen are transwomen NOT WOMEN.
Correct! Love them and embrace transwomen but do not force us to accept that they are natural women. Transpeople are transpeople. We are all people.
Indeed.
No one is ‘assigned’ a gender. It is observed. Manifestations of social behaviour do not determine gender, gonads do. So, being an effeminate male does not make a woman, it makes an effeminate male. Helllooo, can we now move on?
A man who has his testicles removed is a eunuch, NOT a woman and I STILL don’t want to share a changing room with him.
Cut and dried, and satisfied you are, it seems. Is the issue really that simple? I'm totally confused by all of this, but I'm afraid that ex cathedra pronouncements like yours don't seem to clarify much for me. Wish I could agree with you and get on with my life.
@@mrnibelheim Yes it is that simple. Not really sure what your point is. Biological fact is not the same as personality or how you choose to live your life. I don't care if a biological man wants to live as a woman, or how they perceive it is to live as a woman. Doesn't bother me at all. But that doesn't make them the same as me.
I work in medical publishing. You cannot completely erase biological sex. Your gender doesn't make a difference to what treatment or dosage of a treatment you get, but your biological sex sure can. To think otherwise is crazy.
this is what I can’t understand..why is the medical establishment going along with this craziness !?
@@ayejax4150 I don't know that they are. I think they are keeping a polite distance and not wanting to get involved in a stupid political shit fight.
@@MariaBM1 They have been coercing children into taking puberty blockers for several years now. The court ruling at the Tavistock Clinic has put a halt to that but it is still going on in the US, where, unlike the UK, the legal age to have an operation is 16, not 18.
So tired of the race baiting, divisiveness, virtue signalling, holier than thou, identitarians, you can't disagree, gave up on the Guardian years ago..
And me. Haven’t read the Guardian since 2013. And I am a socialist, dyed in the wool. The problem is not with the true left who look for justice and equality, decency and truth. The problem is with the new faux left, the lovies, hypocrites on 100k a year telling everybody what is and is not allowed in modern society. I gave up hope for the real left after the Snowdon, Assange debacle.
everyone's sick of it. movies are crap, tv shows are crap, articles are crap, politic is crap , everywhere you look you're only served crap. Crap that repeats the same thing continuously, books, journals, Tv , platforms, radio. And they are trying to cancell all that's left !
@@fmjwest8296 “ The problem is not with the true left who look for justice and equality”
Does this illusive cadre of “true left” justice and equality crusaders actually exist though? More to the point have they ever existed in any legitimate sense...
@@makara80 You must know exactly zero about anti-fascist movements in Europe and Asia, the civil rights movement in the United States, and liberation movements throughout the Third World.
@@l.w.paradis2108 I suspect I know rather more than you do on such matters given your childlike and quaintly romanticised outlook on those who seek _power_ by ostensibly righteous means. ;)
...Next you’ll be telling me Fidel Castro deployed Cuban military assets in _resource-rich_ Angola from the mid-1970’s onwards simply because he wanted to overcome South African apartheid and liberate oppressed Africans!
The mob eats everyone eventually!
So true!
Including itself....
including us too !
love her or hate her, she's absolutely right on the trans issue.
Not really, trans is just as the name imply, a transition, you can`t be trans, you can be in transition. If they wanted it to be a permanent state, they chose the wrong word to describe it.
@@Tommysimonsen You are making an argument based on a fallacy. Transitioned-Men / women is actually a correct term. Trans does not simply mean transitioning as you are wrongfully claiming. Also, many trans people, whether they are in the process of have transitioned want to be called trans, not all trans people want to be defined as either women or men.
"The trans issue" sounds uncomfortably close rhetorically to something else... If you know history well you probably know what I'm referring to. It was a certain type of "question"
There was a gay bloke on twitter who said gay guys don't want to be with trans men, yet we never hear much about that. It's rarely questioned or they're rarely piled upon. (nor should they). And yet, as usual women are blamed and belittled in this argument.
A trans 'woman' who had already resigned resigned again after the article because 'she' was feeling unsafe... Ok...
Emotional blackmail
Well it is the Guardian. What do you expect?
Who was it, was it lili madigan?
Trans people reassign their own gender so what makes you think they can't resign twice?
What's interesting about evil is that it's not sustainable long-term. You can take love to the limits and the added value keeps coming but if you take evil to the limits it starts to self-destruct.
Well said
Noice ❤️
One of the best interviewers in media. He skilfully extracts clarity from a guest who often provides rambling, obscure replies. Just highlights the disgraceful standard on BBC.
We as a society could end this cancel culture easily. Simple rule: Never apologize for your opinion!
They will fire you anyways if they want, but you keep your dignity!
Exactly. First one has to understand what's at stake, count the cost and then be willing to pay it. Previous generations did this and now it's the Babyboomers time.
Is that what you suggest answering the police when they come round inquiring about hateful tweets?
You are right, not always easy but right!
Agreed, but people with families to support and spouses to keep will find it hard to muster that sort of strength. (Cp. Cyril Connolly: "The most sombre enemy of art is the pram in the hallway." For political courage that goes triple.)
@@dixonpinfold2582 you're right it's not easy. I have done it and it came with a cost. Not everyone is "frontline" but all can do something. This calls for wisdom. Churchill told a previous generation the enemy would need to be fought even in the "streets." Thus it has come to us to tear down anti human ideologies with truth, and love for what is good.
I don’t and haven’t always agreed with Ms Moore, however she is spot on in relation to the ‘gender ideology’ BS. The Guardian has lost me now. I read it for decades, no more. It’s so silly now.
She's been peddling her Marxist nonsense for yrs. The left always turn on each other in the end. By their own ideological standards, they not only target anyyone who disagrees with them,they force compliance on everyone else.
Activist rag.
She created this mess - good she reaps the reward.
@@matth419 _Hoist with her own petard_ is another satisfying way of saying it. ;)
There must be mass menstruations against this nonsense
That'll show 'em!
Too bloody right!
Or should that be left?
Joss “...mass menstruations...” 😂
Bring it on!
Could link it up with Tesco saying sanitary products are not an essential item.
Women literally bleeding in the aisles might remind them there are differences between men and women.
"this is bullying and this is an abusive work place" that's the guardian newspaper she's talking about
The Woke movement is openly anti-liberal. For example, this is the way Robin D'Angelo characterises liberalism: "All the dominant ideologies in society support willful ignorance. The ideologies of meritocracy, equal opportunity, individualism, and human nature we described above play a powerful role in denying the “current” and insisting that society is just.
" They are openly against equal opportunity, free speech and individualism. How can people not see that these Woke types are totalitarians in waiting?
@@seanwayman635 Well put. Its like a new religion
Guardian has been fostering authoritarian bullies like this woman for decades. She’s just tasted a slice of her own pie.
@@matth419 yes and in such a cruel and hateful way.
@@matth419 How do you work out that she is an authoritarian bully?
Without biological gender what are you trans-ing from?
@Charlie Francis lol
Good point!
Stop using left and right it’s now much more complicated. Authoritarian, libertarian, radical, conservative ........
totally agree ,these terms have probably been obsolete for a few years now, possibly attempting to over simplify debate has caused confusion
Left and right wing are still very meaningful terms for describing a spectrum of ideological viewpoints.
What a woman. Too good for The Guardian. A proper writer with critical thinking skills.
Really? Who made her inhabit a sewer? She made her home in the company of rats. The irony of her bitching about the stench? She’s just an average indulged and idiotic ‘leftist’.
No no ! critical thinking is how she got the abuse! it should be renamed as cynical thinking and the wokes book of the decade
Just a few days ago I was struck by an article in The Guardian (which I have read daily for over 40 years) in which a male journalist used the terms 'gender assigned at birth' and 'cis female' as though these were actually unquestionable scientifically proven concepts. They, of course, are not. He also referred to differing views as 'toxic'. The right wing have their fundamentalist attitude to the Bible and their evangelical Christianity and the left have radical trans ideology. They have very much in common on many levels.
Don’t crawl under a rock ! We need an authentic open courageous voice . Great interview. Thank you for speaking and for this interview
When I discovered that I had been retitled as a cis woman I was pretty disgusted as I hadn’t been part of that conversation regarding the reclassification of women. To have the title cis as a prefix pushed on me by some nameless, faceless body just isn’t acceptable. I have fought for woman’s rights all my life, and yet we are still being forced into a situation by men yet again! No change there then. It’s very similar to having 6years of my pension stolen and not even being informed about it. We still don’t have equal pay, why? Yet the trans voices are heard but why not mine? I consider myself a leftie, a common working class leftie, I have no problem with anyone living the life the way they want to, it’s a right, but why are my rights being taken away with added threats by, what I see, as the thought police. So feminism is now banished, well thanks for that. We have fought for years for the rights that are now being against us! We should not be on opposite sides, why bash us, what the hell have we done to you apart from giving birth to you? Perhaps the old slogan “Live and let live” should be on your your banners to have a more equal life?
You spent all these years ignorantly calling yourself a woman, when what you really were all along was non-trans.
I was in the dark, too. I've learned I'm not a man, I'm non-trans.
Ah, neo-Marxists: Is there anything they don't know?
Thank you I feel.the same, we seem to have no rights to say how we feel. If say how we feel we are against the Trans movement.. Very sad..
As I understand it ciswomen are a subset of women, as are Englishwomen. You're still a woman.
@@ArthurKaletzky I don't want to be called a cis woman...
@@lorrainemohsen1223 And I don't want to be called a bald man. You don't get a choice.
The problem is they're trying to take the rest of us with them. Can't imagine what corporate life must be like. Thankfully I row my own income boat.
According to The World Economic Forum ‘you will own nothing by 2030 and you will be happy’. Look up The Great Reset. Boris is fully on board, their slogan is Build Back Better. They have corrupted all universities from the top down. Hence all the left wing craziness. It is to destabilise what we have, and they are wining.
Another clue is the funding of Imperial College London by both Bill Gates and the Rockefeller foundation. The infamous Neil Ferguson and his computer models that have induced lockdowns all over the world. They are playing god with their money. It is working. They are using their money to influence all aspects of the media and politicians that are in support of their agenda. Just Google or look on RUclips World Economic Forum The Great Reset if you don’t believe me.
@@markusmaximus6636 welcome. We've known this since March 2020.
Thanks David Icke.
@@kaiserchief9319 Welcome. We've known this since the 90's.
Agenda 21, new world order, millennium project, green new deal, great reset.
Thanks Alan Watt. (No aliens, no lizardmen, no nonsense)
The interviewer was so respectful and let Suzanne speak, even though politically he is probably quite different. The BBC could Learn a lot from this.
The BBC do fantastic interviews.
Douglas Murray - The Madness of Crowds: Gender, Race and Identity
Douglas Murray is a far right fascist homosexual himself and a racist to boot lol
@@blackwarb You are no Spartan. Murray may be homosexual but he NEVER sticks it in your face so why raise it? He is not far right but very center-ground. And a fascist? Not at all . . . but do entertain us and tell us where your evidence is to call him a fascist.
Murray (D) is a pretty nasty Conservative and conservative. He admires history. That is more than enough to dismiss his views.
Murray (C) is pretty misguided, too. He dismissed those desiring a leisured, contemplative existence as "bums", echoing his childhood in small-town Iowa.
@@blackwarb I don't agree with his conservative views but he is exposing how "political correctness" has gone mad.
Word. Never give in or apologize to the mob.
It's you again Nathan, got any middle-class dinner parties this weekend😂
The best approach is to fight back and try to disclose how shallow and meaningless their narrative is.
Not long till Labour AS entered. The Guardian, won he's gone.
GMG has a over 1400 employees. 22% of the workforce was able to suppress the silent majority. That’s the sad state of things everywhere.
She never seemed to complain when peoples comments on feminist articles in the Graun were routinely deleted even if only mildly critical
They recently introduced gender neutral toilets at work, and now we are all uncomfortable going to the loo. Equal rights 😒
OMG! This would be my nightmare!
It must be insanity working at the Guardian. They have all jumped down the Rabbit Hole
Great interview. What a world we live in. She's clearly left-wing. But she's also libertarian. And that means - in today's world - she's an alt-right fascist.
"Libertarian" is merely a euphemism for propertarian: try liberating a "libertarian's" wealth for the social good and you'll find out.
I have too much respect for Moore to think for a moment she's one of those.
She aligns with the alt-right much more than she does the left.
I agree, the left and right labels no longer apply as they did in the past
9:19 “This is how book burning starts, word by word.”
My father (a socialist) bought The Guardian all his life. He would be devastated by how this paper has changed. They haven't supported Assange, they've completely gone along with our civil liberties being trashed by government in the name of Covid. They seem to hate dissent that isn't in line with their views. Most working class people despise this paper. I would have thought the drastically falling sales would have rang a few warning bells but obviously we're all wrong and stupid and they are right. They should be the defenders of free speech and independent thought but they are just a mouth piece for middle class lefties.
"making me feel unsafe" == fear of opposing opinions that sound more logical than your own.
This woman is a badass. Holding to your principles at her age with a house full of kids is as punk rock as it gets. What the identity ideologies don't get is that they ARE the establishment.
exactly, like I have never seen a group of people with the sheer political power they have.
Suzanne Moore is articulate and wise with her finger on the pulse. I really love her columns and will follow her wherever she goes.
Oh dear Maria - how sad. I think anyone who writes for the Guardian is part of the metropolitan elite who have superiority complexes and look down on the 'unenlightened' plebs who they pretend to defend. But pride comes before a fall and hopefully their demise will be swift
It’s amazing that she has experienced this unfair demonization for reasonable views and yet continues to stereotype and demonize people on the right.
That's not what I got out of this. Can you point me to some examples please?
She said...”how do you show you’re not right wing?” Like, for her, that’s a bad thing.
@@trubre5565 That’s because those who are of the radical trans persuasion deem anyone who makes the argument that Suzanne Moore has made, has to be right wing. That’s the bullying myth they are peddling. And it is taking hold. Her social and political stances are on the Left, clearly.
Graham Linehan has shown that a board member of the Scotts Trust is also involved with Mermaids.
I live in Yorkshire, on the coast. Never seen a mermaid. Climate change suppose with the suicidal polar bears. What am I listening to? Unemployed lass? Gofundme for a dress and hairdo.
@@wobblyjack9135 someone's messed up, aren't they. think then reflect before you type and post - you sound like a tosser
I would bet diamonds that Owen Jones was the instigator in chief for the letter that ousted her from the Grauniad .
That was also the first name that came to my mind too.
I don't know if it was or wasn't, but, frankly, if you support freedom to speak the truth and consider those who suppress truth to be vicious ideologues, why would you speculate? Wouldn't you want to know for certain? I thought we were against calomny. Or something.
12:38 "What the most fundamental thing a journalist needs? Curiosity."
No. It's personal integrity.
Yes. It all comes down to character. Some people are just devious and malignant, and they sadly have a tendency to rise through the ranks of an unsuspecting group.
How about intelligence?
@@elwrongo Well, yes. How that intelligence is used is the question. Clearly too many media industry 'journalists' are there for their own gain. It's a market and they're in business.
As if you know.
At times it's almost like watching her slowly waking up, isn't it?
That was my experience of the interview also. She is still partly in the dream world and is having trouble processing what is going on.
I'm ten minutes in, yet I don't see what you mean. Perhaps, you can be more direct in your statement. Cheers.
@@johnjameson6751, which "dream world"?
@@philmessina476 I'm just referring generally to the moment when we wake in the morning and readjust to reality, while still remembering some of the delusions from our dreams: maybe we gradually realize that the person we thought was X in our dream wasn't that person, or that some goal we were persuing in the dream actually made no sense. It is a brief form of cognitive dissonance that many people experience, hence I find it to be a good metaphor.
@@philmessina476 well, it is a sense I get, more than a specific point in the interview, but it's almost like she is trying very hard to keep a foot in each world. She's not quite ready to let go of her intersectional politics, while at the same time confused that it should have turned against her.
I have no sympathy for this woman, "as ye sow, so shall ye reap".
Reminds me of little children talking behind others back , perhaps most of these folk have really not grown up .
rape and death threats, losing jobs, public defamation - that is not the stuff of 'little children', this is serious
The Guardian is important to the people who work at....The Guardian.
People like her only complain when the monster they created turn on them. She should have been more reasonable 10 years ago.
Agree, but it doesn’t matter, as long as they realise at some point, we need everyone on board with this!
@@OMGAnotherday Yeah, you're right. And to be condemn someone forever makes us no better than them.
Those who choose to live in a sewer and live with rats have no cause to complain when they realise there’s a stench. She’s just another indulged and self-centred ‘Lefty’.
@@idanceforpennies281 👍🏼✌️
What monster has she created? I missed that. Can you point me to the time code where she admitted it?
I detest all Guardian journalists since Melanie Phillips left it.
Someone called the Guardian "Der Sturmer of the modern left." This is particularly apt, since much of its vitriol is directed against the same "cursed race" as Der Sturmer's.
So when one "Guardian" gets ganged up by others, I feel good. At least some ugly characters are getting the taste of their own medicine.
I am absolutely shocked that the staff at the Guardian are batshit-crazy. Absolutely stunned, I say. Lolzzzzz
Owen Jones was one of those who signed the letter. I think Mark Longhurst was sacked by Sky news after a run in with Jones a few years ago.
The joy of Critical Race Theory, Post Modernism in action. Used to be a Guardian reader but it's all so predictable now..🛏💤
Same. its the wolf in sheep's clothing.
Proud ex-Guardian reader too. Ideological bull dressed up in false virtue.
I am sadly still a Guardian reader.
Is it me or Afua Hirsch just trolling?
The shit she says goes beyond any logic or reason
Guardian still has some great journalism, but sadly the Opinion section has become a sesspit of intolerance, and is slowly seeping into the actual news reporting side of things.
@@memofromessex , Shame. Picking up Guardian is like picking up human feces.
The issue of 'feeling safe' that Freddy brilliantly paused upon, is about the trans person feeling less safe in their identification than they would if everyone simply acquiesced to their claim. It's about their feeling of insecurity with their own claims of gender, which others are questioning.
It's not about safety per-se, it's more about acting as a stereotypical vulnerable female and therefore identifying as being less safe. When there's no rational reason for feeling less safe, it's more a role play and the left are pandering to it.
@@markphillips2076 You are correct. It is almost impossible for women NOT to play the 'vulnerable' card, and even harder for men not to respond to it, even when it's not played!
@@markphillips2076 you couldn't be more wrong. Do some research.
"I've dyed my fringe blu and therefore I'm polyamorous" and you just think: oh please... 😅
It’s like the whole set was made just for this interview. The whole “coming in from the cold” aspect, with the warm lighting and her keeping her coat on and letting it all out, I just love it. Well done all.
The light to her right right / my left was too bright for me - think it should have been moved out of shot.
No political reference intended.
Good for you, Ms. Moore. Protect Free Speech.
Suzanne - You Go Girl! Go tell it on the mountain. We need your voice NOW! Cross the ocean. We need to hear you in the US and Canada.
She’s been a proponent of the very thing that’s come back to bite her now. She deserves no sympathy and she really is no brave spokesperson against it. If the cancel club would let her back in, she’d jump at it
"It's not about trans people, it's about the erasure and capture of language, and ideology."
Simply replace "trans people" in the sentence and apply this to many things in life now.
Orwell's Newspeak.
Very simple.
Yep. "You can't be racist against whites," and now all sorts of people (including whites!) are saying terrible things about white people on social media unchecked.
women got tricked into believing their rivals were their friends....
You mean feminazi women.
Wonder if this experience made her realize that the same stereotyping regarding people on the Tory right is equally unjust.
No room! "This piece of rudeness was more than Alice could bear: she got up in great disgust, and walked off; the Dormouse fell asleep instantly, and neither of the others took the least notice of her going, though she looked back once or twice, half hoping that they would call after her: the last time she saw them, they were trying to put the Dormouse into the teapot." ~Alice in Wonderland, Ch 7, A Mad Hatter Tea Party
She is shocked and stunned but she is experiencing what people on the right go through.
Yes, those who support capitalism and who run the international financial system etc etc are the true victims of discrimination :(
@@PK-re3lu No, those who work hard and pay their taxes, who don't play the victim card, the race card or the gender card, and who are cast as "oppressors" are the true victims of discrimination.
@@PK-re3lu those who run the financial markets....
You mean those liberal elites?
@@RUclipsIsAssHo Well said. The issue in a nutshell.
The left are eating themselves.
Great to see Suzanne in person and excellent interviewer. When did the Guardian decide to shut down debate? This is like the vilification of JK Rowling. So disappointing. Having been an ardent supporter of The Guardian for decades I can't support this bullying of an intelligent and compassionate writer and have, sadly,
cancelled my subscription.
Me too - over reporting of the amber heard/Johnny Depp saga
Key point: "How are we going to create solidarity between people who believe any kind of debate is violence ,and people like me (sic), who are still going to say things that you might not like?".
Live by the Guardian, die by the Guardian. Did she even raise an eyebrow at any of what the Guardian has been doing for years and years? But suddenly the lidless eye saw *her* and there is an issue. And she's still for political correctness..
Seems she's just a feminist who likes to call others names like misogynist but hate it that there's a group that's successfully calling her names too. It's funny you can't even defend yourself from feminists if you're a man without being labelled misogynist or something else but you can attack them when you proclaim yourself as trans & that's what seems to be angering her.
It wouldn't be 2020 if the entire Guardian staff didn't hound out one of their most respected and popular journalists for voicing what most people think.
Beaut Sp - if you don’t toe the line you’re out.
That’s my Guardian subscription CANCELLED!! 😂😂😂😂
The trans journalists who were hounded out, you mean?
Gaurdian columnist and a Feminist did you say?
[Sympathy evaporates, schadenfreude escalates]
it's ok though people, the guardian has a circulation of about 12 people, and makes about 30 million pound loss every year!
You can take the 'person' out of the Guardian but...
This lady still doesn’t get it...even after having experienced it. If you are going to shut the world of diverse ideas down on base of someone not feeling “safe”, you just handed your power over to someone who doesn’t have to prove anything other than that they “feel” something. Actions, intent, facts don’t matter.
Hi Ash. Can you elaborate on this thought?
It’s interesting the interviewer bought up university campuses. I became very interested in this topic during my time as a postgrad student when my university campus closed the only social group for women with autism at said university. It was closed as some students had complained it excluded other genders. It made me feel quite upset as a number of studies in recent years have expressed the findings that women and girls with autism are more likely to have been abused by men than in other circumstances (myself included) and this was a safe space for women to talk about such topics. I enquired about the fact that there were other groups for all people with autism, why did the women’s group need to be shut and changed to another more generalised social support group for those of us with autism? After all, closing the women’s group didn’t add to the other groups, it only erased the space made for women (and it is common knowledge that more males are diagnosed with autism).
Anyway, I was met with terms like “terf” and “transphobe”, and I think it was uncalled for. I didn’t have an issue with transgender women attending the group (or in any capacity), I had an issue that the group had been shut down and changed because it didn’t cater to men - yet all the other groups did. It felt like an erasure of a safe space for women and I still feel uneasy about it today.
The whole thing left me with a sense of accusations of transphobia being the go-to response to accusations of misogyny. Anyway, I thought this was a very good interview and I offer my support to Suzanne.
I don't know any men who close down female spaces. But trans people might.
The Guardian is toxic? Well who’d have thought that!
Good points about rendering language meaningless. Case in point: 'period poverty'. No one is living in poverty due to the expense of buying feminine hygiene products. The word 'poverty' is effectively rendered meaningless in this context. Just like the word 'child' was effectively redefined to mean anyone under 25 in order to facilitate acceptance of migrants. And then there's 'bedroom 'tax''. Reducing a charitable payment cannot be a 'tax' in any meaning of the word. This habit of redefining words in order to win an argument is a Leftist 'thing'.
I’m sorry but you’re wrong here. Poverty can be absolute, like it is with many people living in sub-Saharan Africa. Poverty can also be relative, and there is a lot of evidence to suggested that relative poverty or wealth inequality is a bigger driver of crime and many other social issues than absolute poverty.
You don’t know the reason why someone in the UK finds themselves in relative poverty but many do and it not always about life choices - not in the way many people imagine it anyway.
So I’m sorry but the only manipulation of language here is being perpetrated by you, who refuses to accept a well acknowledged definition of poverty.
Yes! How many of those suffering "period poverty", in the Weston deepest Africa, do NOT possess a smartphone and run an expensive monthly download plan? "It's my 'uman right, innit!"
@@grumpywasp4533 poverty in the expression ‘relative poverty’ ruins the word poverty. We can talk about wealth disparity, or the degree of wealth disparity as being ‘little’ or ‘moderate’ or ‘great’ but to use the word ‘poverty’ renders ‘poverty’ a far less powerful word and it is a shame as there is no need.
It is used cynically to win a policy argument. People living in poverty in third world countries would jump at the chance of living in ‘relative poverty’ in the UK. In fact many are risking their lives to attempt to enter the UK illegally (that is, without applying) aspiring for at least a life of UK ‘relative poverty’.
Using the word poverty here in the UK is a an insult to those who actually live in poverty around the world. Its use is a reflection of the bourgeois deceitful virtue-signaling privileged Left that is disgraceful.
There are people classified as living in ‘relative poverty’ here in the UK with smartphones and Sky subscriptions, designer trainers and gaming subscriptions. Part of their wealth (presuming paying little to no income tax and receiving relief from council tax charges) includes access to unlimited healthcare services at no charge (though there is enormous cost). They also benefit from education, police, fire, national security, housing, roads maintenance and lighting, parks and recreation services, social welfare and pensions benefits etc at no charge (though there is enormous cost).
All of those services they ‘consume’ makes up a portion of their societal wealth yet pay little or no income tax towards its provision. How’s that for unfairness or inequality?
They of course pay sales tax (VAT), which is a flat tax, as is the BBC Tax, which seems acceptable to the Left, whereas a flat income tax is nevertheless somehow evil.
The down and outs need assistance, but living in relative ‘poverty’ they ain’t.
"I want to be a victim. If you don't agree that I am a victim, you're victimizing me."
Welcome to Melanie Philipps's world Suzanne. First they came for....
spot on....
I wondered whether Melanie might have contacted her....bet she did.....
never fails: the left eats the left
Truly we live in the Age Of Stupid.
Where is the word "manners" reflected in the term "Political Correctness?"
Political correctness has nothing to do with social customs and everything to do with enforcing an ideological narrative.
yeah, she speaks with forked-tongue....cos she also said that language was really important and words matter....but pc is all about changing the language!
Fascism seeps into the Guardian and eats up all those who step out of line.