@@bodydoublesecurity4987 That piece of shit Haslab is a Bugatti? LMAOOO Hey, try Threezero X Megahouse Future GPX Cyber Formula HI-SPEC United Asurada G.S.X. Now THAT is a Bugatti more worthy of a $350 price tag. A whole lot of diecast and it's details makes the Hascrap Dodge Charger look like a Fisher Price vehicle.
I guess the point isn’t about all the bells and whistles, to be factual and bluntly honest are only to add flash. This is a $60 vehicle. It’s made for a seven inch figure. So when a company that is a billion dollar company needs to act like they need to be funded to make a vehicle. It just comes across as total bull 💩. This proves that. Dude made an affordable vehicle with what looks like a decent look to it. So that proves it can be done.I
The whole "plasticky" criticism of the Batmobile when compared to the EoV is weird when the EoV had unpainted grey plastic for every "metallic" surface. This is visible in the pictures of the physical prototypes, not just the renders.
@@ArticulatedNinja I mean they did advertise it having "functional wheels"... That was until you put the flame effects on them, then they couldn't roll anymore. The EoV & Rancor were very similar; many people wanted it, but the offerings and price didn't seem worth it to the collectors they were advertising to. If the price and offerings/"stretch goals" were better it would've funded. Well, that and people being burned on QC and changes made that customers only find out about once their items were delivered. You can only burn your customers so much (for that much) before their good faith is gone.
Your points are valid. These toys don't need to be crowd funded. We got a brand new castle greyskull for under 100 at retail. If they believe in their products than make them and put them out to consumers. A toy car should never cost 350. Amazon has 1/12th scale cars between 40 and 100.
Jup! Like MANY OF US HAVE SAID FOR YEARS- _"They're ripping ya'all off, and laughing at you behind your back."_ A Simple walk up & down Target's toy isles, says it all. E.g. A _3' foot × 4' foot_ Massive Mattel; _Barbie_ "Malibu Mansion" or whatever it's been re-tooled & renamed as today.. Costing under $200 !! I think the current 3.0 version is $219.99 currently. Multiple units, in their Giant boxes- sitting right there on A Target Shelf.
@Floor Boss Relax bro don't yell at me, that's why I don't buy hasbro anymore. It's better to buy an import figure or just make them yourselves, also the fact that a million dollar company needs a crowdfund for a 7" toy just comes out as total 🐂💩, they just saw that it worked for the Jabba's boat so they decided to use that sorry excuse of "we need more cash to give you guys a toy that you are still gonna pay for"
The next Haslab is going to need to be a game changer, a lot of my fellow collectors are moving to Mezco, SHF, Mafex, Storm, Third party Transformers, and pretty much selling off their Hasbro stuff
None of your friends moving to diamond select because I love mcfarlane spawn action figure and from diamond select I love the giant figures like red hulk, immortal hulk, titanium man, beta ray bill etc.
My sole issue with Haslab is you are paying for the tooling and the tiers up front. However they use the stretch goal model to make you believe that you are getting something free that you already paid for.
Yeah, the Ghost Charger has a little more going on with it, but of course you can compare the two. I showed my wife the trailer for the Engine of Vengeance when the campaign was first announced and her jaw dropped when she saw the price. If they had priced it at 200 might've considered it, but 350 was crazy. LED's are cheap as hell, but Hasbro doesn't seem to realize that.
I’m a marvel fan of 30 years. A legends fan since the beginning. You are 100 percent right. My legends purchasing has taken a severe drop with in the past year or so. And will continue. The price gouging is insane.
Anyone who wants to buy everything without a worry about price gouging is either in the big company pockets or have their own money to burn. Most of us don't have that luxury. In your last video, hell all of your videos, you have gone out of your way to be as fair as possible. Apples to apples. I appreciate you, Ninja.
The has lab may have light and sound but it is a fair comparison McFarlane had to invest in tooling for the Batmobile hasbro should be able to do the same, it just shows what we already knew hasbro are milking us for every penny possible
This isn't true. Hasbro showed off the EoV at SDCC the year before (might have been NTYF, I don't recall exactly) so they had the tooling done already. They were after us to recover the cost of that tooling, and a much, much higher overhead. Hasbro is a larger company, more hens to feed, and their executives have stock buybacks to execute on our dollars. That's what we were paying for with the Haslab, the car was maybe 30, 40 bucks to make, the rest was executive golden parachutes and stock manipulation.
You we’re spot on in the last video bro. I’m a mcfarlane collector and been throughly enjoying what they bring to the table price and all unlike hasbro. Hasbro has got some good stuff going no doubt, just look at there joe line but legends just comes up short lately imo. There giving you practically naked figures at double the price. You got mcfarlane doing unique sculpts and bringing out vehicles mind you at mass retail but also like you said, no crowd funding and other bullshit. Granted as you mentioned in the last video regarding the batwing, the price there could’ve been a tad better but in comparison to legends it’s like apples to oranges in some cases.
The comparison was fine. I thought what was said in that video was well thought out and articulated. Hasbro went wild with that haslab and mcfarlane is showing them how it’s really done.
Mattel released a $50 big rig crane wrecker(with a globe cage and a step ladder even) for their Wrastlin line. It looks okay for the price, and the lack of detail didn't stop guys from customizing and repainting them into Cobra troop trucks. Hell, I'm grateful for any 1/12 vehicle released that's not a motorcycle at this point!
Mcfarlane has been making vehicles for the DC multiverse line for a while, so he will probably release the Batwing slightly different at a cheaper price (just like he did with the monster truck).
The whole you're doing this for views is such a stupid response. Like what Eric July said if he wanted views he'd just shill for the big companies and do the popular thing.
Negativity actually sells. Contrarian ideas create argumentative environments whether the topic matters in "real life" or not. It literally just attracts views. It why certain comedians crush because they saying things many of us think but never will say. A brand or personality that stays positive will never get the amt of views that a "negative" one will get. People don't necessarily do it for the views. It just a result of the the way humans function.
The comparison between the retros and the Shaq sneakers is a great idea to be honest, it just sneakers that are going to wear out anyway, one cost $200-up and the other was made for those who do not wish to spend laptop prices for shoes. It's the whole reason Shaq, Iverson and Ewing put out the sneakers in the first place
It's absolutely an apple-to-apples comparison for all the reasons you said. But also, the biggest issue here, IMO, is that Hasbro went out and said that the ONLY way that Ghost Rider car could have been offered was through crowd finding because of the space it would take up on retailer shelves. That retailers wouldn't be interested in something that big. That was proven wrong with the McFarlane Batmobile.
Some of the people who get mad because of Hasbro Engine of cash grab are scalpers and others are youtubers that can afford the car no matter what the price is... after a couple of tips/donations ($1.99 x 175) and if it a Superchat ($25 or higher, it is much faster) or Patreon they got the expenses cover, forgetting that their donors have a modest income and have to choose what to collect (because budget reason [have kids, pay a real car, home, insurance, school, college, etc.]) thus putting their self interest before their own community, instead of being the voice of reason. Forgetting that they once struggle like us. Thanks Ninja for being one of the many few voices of reason in this community!
It’s absolutely comparable! This is one of the reasons why the Haslabs wasn’t funded. I do think there are differences between plastics. I see this in third party between Magic Square and Newage Transformers but even if there is a difference between the quality of materials it still still doesn’t warrant the massive price difference.
Mcfarlane should have just done a better paintjob and charged 100 or something. He can do good paintjobs, far more so than Hasbro. For a vehicle the plastic "quality" only matters insofar as it is reasonably durable and the functions still work, which i assume the McFarlane will, or it will come out in reviews that it is bad. For figures plastic matters bacause of gummyness or joint tearing and such, but if the vehicle has a good paintjob then lesser quality plastic will look the same.
Hasbro has shown digital renders before that had “paint apps” that didn’t come on the figure and the paint apps the sentinel and Galactus were lacking. Thanks A Ninja
Why I normally avoid comments sections on this sort of stuff. Can’t believe anyone actually said they weren’t comparable 🤦♂️ they are plastic cars at 1/12 scale. It’s the very definition of compatible objects. My hot take, the engine of vengeance didn’t even look that good to start with. Didn’t look like a real vehicle, it was a generic hodgepodge with a lightly detailed plastic block for an engine, the trunk was a joke and the interior detail was ok but it wasn’t anything special. Not to mention the car they were hauling around wasn’t the actual product you you get it was the show piece that was specifically designed to sell the project. Who knows how close the end product would of been or if it would of had the same paintwork. Heck for as good as the hiss tank looked, it was a custom 3D printed model of it not the actual finished product.
Wait. Why would people have such a strong reaction to your opinion about an action figure vehicle? If they disagree, why are they so upset? I thought you had great points: affordability, access, value for price. I’m still getting over the price tag for one Marvel Legends figure. I literally broke up with my Spiderman collection because of it. And I really wanted Scorpion and Lizard too. I enjoyed your video. ❤
It's totally a fair comparison. Two similarly sized cars that hold a figure. Hasbro's had more detail but not 260 dollars worth of more detail. For what we saw I'd say 120. You could maybe go up to 150 since the Mephisto and extra figures would increase price and potential interest. 350? Absolutely not. Same with the McFarlane Batwing when you have Spinmasters 27 inch long version exists for 40. McFarlane's looks better but not worth 250. You can easily dry brush some silver and add some small plastic control panel on the interior for a few bucks on your own. Keep on making your comparisons because companies won't pull their head out their rear unless you let them know about it. If people don't like when you talk about it? They don't have to watch the vid. In the end it's your channel and I like that you'll talk about things like this.
Well said. I thought the same thing. I ordered the Spinmaster last Thursday got it on Friday (wow) I opened it and 3 minutes into opening the box I ordered a 2nd one. I KNEW this was going to be one of those "I should have got it when I had the chance: type of things so I bought a 2nd one. It came this past Sunday. You could have bought 6 of these compared to the McFarlane one. Heck for $80.00 you can take the wings of one and with a little modding put it on the bottom side so that you could have a solid wing in the bottom.
I think Hasbro made a mistake by making the production process for the charger an injection molded one vs the batmobile which I think looks vacuum formed. For injection molded items, the size of the tooling can balloon the cost a lot where it is less an issue with vacuum formed, but there isn’t a proportion of value there to the end consumer. There IS a quality difference between the two, but not enough to justify the price difference of $60 and $350 (Hasbro is also taking a higher profit margin, but Todd is making it up in volume). Hasbro maybe could have done a vacuuform hellcharger and with a figure had it at $100, but I don’t see them doing a quarter of the same sales as a batmobile with film support. Can anyone else with some better manufacturing experience confirm whether the batmobile is vacuuformed or rotomoulded instead?
Can't they just do the cheaper plastic and then paint it to look premium? As long as the plastic doesn't break, and stil looks premium, it won't matter that the plastic is of lesser quality right?
Well I blame the fast and the furious franchise for the EoV failure..If they made decent movies more people woulda wanted Dom’s Charger in their collection 😂😂 I’m more surprised McFarlane didn’t make the Batmobile more expensive seeing as it’s one of or if not the most popular well known vehicle out of any superhero franchise of all time. Ultimate middle finger to hasbro from McFarlane making it that cheap. But it was a double edge sword seeing the price for the batwing. Can’t have your cake and eat it too I guess 😆
Yea he could of charged 100 for that simple batmobile and I think it still would of sold out smh wild times man's Hasbro makes it easy for other companies to steal the spotlight.
@@ArticulatedNinja exactly Hasbro’s EoV price helped me rationalize and instantly buy a Batmobile, Batwing and a Keaton figure from McFarlane’s site day one. Almost in spite 🤣 All 3 items for under $350 including shipping ? No brainer for me. McF FTW 🙌
Idk if you read “Modern Toyfare” comment on that post…dude was trying to say it wasn’t a true scale because it’s a one seater Batmobile like bruh…it’s a vehicle that fits the figure!
You know what the ultimate comparison between this 60 dollar batmobile vs. the Haslab Engine of ... is? Batmobile SOLD OUT vs. Haslab NOT FUNDED. Nuff' Said.
Lots of fair comparison points. Sure there are some differences too. It is true the order quantity is almost certainly higher for the batmobile, it is in stores rather than a pre order, and yes the batmobile is fair more well known. Sure the Batmobile doesn’t come with a figure. At the end of the day though the comparison is about dollar value between two vehicles, and that is absolutely fair and McFarlane really shows it can be done cheaper than Hasbro and that at a lower price more units will move.
Naw bruh your argument is valid,if Mattel can give us a 1/12 scale T-Rex and McFarlane can give us 1/12 scale vehicles for around 60$ Hasbro has no excuse
You just said it king, Logic. People talking about the unfair comparison between the 2 vehicles or Haslabs toys have no logic. About anything far as I'm concerned
These are the same folks that swear that McFarlane can't do faces and that Hasbro doesn't miss when Kraven and Susan Storm came out in this past year...
You have a valid point. But I see it more like comparing a regular apple to a candy apple. One cost $1.50. The other cost $7. And a lot of people have that Hasbro sweet tooth.
I respect your logic, and your opinion of course. I can’t wait for your $60 Batmobile vs $60 Valaverse vehicle. That should big a great apples to apples comparison.
We just have people that are to stupid to realize that it’s not worth paying top dollar for same plastic used and for something that will be sitting on a shelf or hanging from the ceiling..
@@ArticulatedNinja Maybe it is, or even Venus. Venusian plastic is acid proof and can withstand temperatures that would melt lead you know. 😂 By the way since I last posted a comment I have spent my money on a new home. I have bought a narrowboat that I live on permanently on the beautiful canals of Great Britain. Haslab won't be getting my money for their overpriced dust gatherers because I have space only for the things I feel deserve it. Action figures and the things I need for daily living now take precedence over haslabs over priced offerings.
So I guess by the Jordan’s vs Shaqs logic, higher end figures like Mezco 1:12 can’t be compared against Marvel Legends. Or any expensive imports for that matter.
That comparison is totally fair though. You aren't paying for some space age diamond nano tech bullshit in the Jordan's and bricks of shit in the Shaq's. They're fake fucking leather, rubber, nylon strings, aluminum aglets... you're paying more for Jordan's because his logo is on them, you're paying less for Shaq's because he set out to make a shoe everyone could afford. They're fucking shoes, if I step on a nail in a pair of Jordan's, guess what, I still puncture my foot. They're overhyped shit, if people actually wore them, they're wear out just like a pair of Shaq's wear out. The comparison is totally fair, put a pair of Jordan's on a kid at the beginning of basketball season vs a kid in a prior of Shaq's see if the Jordan's last 10 times as long. That's the only comparison that would actually matter.
No eff that, I've been a loyal Hasbro customer for years but they've been completely whack with their price gouging and lack of quality to show for it.
I mean, you had other collector youtubers saying that price was ridiculous when that Haslab was up. There's a vehicle being compared to another vehicle. Yeah, the Batmobile might look cheaper but I promise you it's worth every dollar of that 60 bucks. There's no way that Hellcharger was worth 400 bucks!!
NO COMPARISON??? Um...I may not be the brightest bulb in the socket, but NO comparison between paying $60 over $350??? Somebody's talking out the side of they're neck, FO REAL! Not to snitch, but I AIN'T RICH and a ninja doesn't want to get ripped out his mouth for THAT kind of loot instead of the low, MUCH MORE AFFORDABLE price of $60
This is what is called moving the goal post. First they said plastic is super expensive now, so it can't be under $350. Then they said their are no toy cars for 1/6 scale figure in stores. Now MCfarlane's Batmobile is just not a fair comparison. If God himself came down from Heaven and said the Ghost Rider car was a rip off, the Has Bros would just say, well what does God know, it's not like he made anything.
It’s the same when I post abt the Snyderverse & wishing WB didn’t mess it up. Then I get comments on fb abt I’m not a real DC fan. I am, I just wish I got to see how the Snyderverse should’ve been and not what it was. Snyderverse fans, Gunn fans, all DC fans. It’s so annoying.
I got the target one!! JUST today !! I'm super happy with it ....This thing is HUGE plus it comes with a 12' inch Batman for $40 bucks ? It's a keeper.
Yes,I backed the Engine of Vengeance,pero when that Rc Batmobile came out and for the Price & Features?..That was a No Brainier and ended up cancelling the EoV and went with the Batmobile. I'm actually GLAD I did,..installed the McFarlane Vengeance figure in it with Seat Harness & weathered it and looks so,Dank Farriking BadAss!..yes,one can still add the missing LEDs,since it has the empty sockets for them to match it up to the $500 one.
Hasbro using a 3D rendered Ghost Rider car is a big issue. I collect the Black Series 6 in Star Wars figures and before the ROTJ Boba Fett was released we were shown a 3D render of it. Now, the Fett figure was pretty good, but if you compare it to the render you can DEF see the difference.
It was a completely valid comparison. I wanted the Engine of Vengeance but, hell, you could compare it to the Hot Toys Tumbler as well. The Haslab was approaching the price of a top shelf 1/6 scale vehicle that you know is much higher quality inside & out than what Hasbro was going to deliver. Inflation is real but Hasbro was engaging in pure price-gouging hubris
Also don’t forget that Mattel Hot Wheels dropped a 120 dollar 1:10 scale RC batmobile with lights sound, can put two figures in it and obviously remote controlled. Like cmon
Wonderfully entertaining Articulated. Thanks for your efforts on this. It is so sad that the ghosts of EoV still haunt you. You've fought the good fight. The Hasbro's simply need to exorcize this topic. Logic. Reason. Value. Integrity. You've got it - they don't. One last argument; at least I can strap my Doom head to the front hood of the Batmobile. Fat chance of it fitting anywhere on the EoV except for maybe the roof. And that would just look stupid!
Hey, articulated, great video! got to meet you and Bobby at the Comicon in Mass a couple of weeks ago, you are two cool dudes that I respect, these Hasblows don't know their ass from their elbows when it comes to value on a collectible. they are willing to give a giant corporation 400 dollars because a guy said it has a top middle and bottom. keep up the awesome work and keep throwing out that irrefutable logic my man. keep on keepin on!
Your last video was on point. Especially the passive-aggressive emoji thing, surprised there wasn't more of that from the Hasbros this time around. "You're just doing it for the views" is just like when someone says "that's just your opinion, though" -- it's a cheap and easy way to (try to) deflect legitimate criticism from something. I've been seeing some genuinely lazy attempts to defend this thing. I seriously saw someone say the Engine of Vengeance *had sound* and the McFarlane vehicles don't. Either misinformed or misinforming people, but it was such a sad attempt to defend Hasbro. And why? The Haslab is over! They're not even trying to get a product they want anymore! They're just defending a *brand.* It's either fanboyism or refusing to admit they were wrong.
I am kind of thinking just how influential your voice has become in the toy collecting community and how spot on your opinions are that so many have to shut down your arguments.
I completely agree with all of your points, but again the biggest thing I think people still getting butt-hurt need to remember; no one was really complaining about the quality or appearance of the Engine of Vengeance, it was the price for what we were getting. I know I'm just regurgitating what you said, man, but damn is it frustrating. Always love the videos and honesty, man. Gotta know, even if you aren't gonna consider backing it, what do you think the next Haslab is?
It don't even have a passenger seat and the proportions are off and the canopy dosnt slide and it's still a banger toy. You just need to make somthing cool that people want and for an appropriate price.
Way I have always looked at collecting is we all lov3 what we lov3 it makes all different and conversations are another fun thing in collecting. I love debates and conversations to many today. They seem to want to cause drama and suck the fun out of it all. Keep making great videos Ninja much love and respect
It was a very fair comparison. They’re the same thing, with only one thing making them different: price point. One is meant to be “cheap” and one is meant to be “high end”. There are positives and negatives to both cheap and high end, that it comes down to personal preference and situation. You made a good point though, that we didn’t get the EOV in hand to know what the quality really was. Hard to make assumptions based on pictures
Yea I've been dealing with an persistent shill, I had to tell him I'm not gonna answer him anymore. Keeps regurgitating the same talking point and attempting to move the goal post. I'm not interested in dishonest conversations.
So I went from seeing the McFarlane Batmobile, to it being sold out a few days later. Ha, I thought it was going to be mass produced, and put on shelves at Target and such. Like, didn't know this was a _'you gotta refresh the internet every 10 minutes for news/pre-order the damn thing'_ situation...like NECA Ninja Turtles stuff.
Yeah, I was one of the first to compare it. And yes I got attacked with, " Oh it is just a hollow Vehicle and does not have removable wheels and fire flames or detail on the inside. First of all screw the inside. As long as the outside looks cool. Then I got (and this was my favorite.) But it was going to come with 5 action figures. 4 because we lost the early bird special. So I did the math and rang up the price. I even went with 25 dollars a figure. so this care and four 7-inch sale figures come out to 160. What?? Seriously how stupid he said that. I don't understand people getting upset over this and defending Hasbro. What are they getting out of it? Now in today's times, some might be getting that way cause everything is about race to them. And all they see is a Latin guy's car vs a White guy's car so a white guy's car must suck. Lord, I hope not to cause that crap is dumb to even make it about that. But you would be surprised. So I just don't understand why they get butt hurt and offended for Hasbro.
The only real comparison is one sold out and the other never got made. Great vid, Ninja.
This 1000%. I ordered one and thought about it for a minute and decided I might one 2..Sold out within that thinking time.
This is true.
T R U T H……
How is it not a fair comparison? They are both action figure vehicles. One is badass and affordable. The other is crazy expensive and never being made
So it's fair to compare a Ford Escort to a Bugatti? Y'all sound bananas....
@@bodydoublesecurity4987 lmfao both are 6/7 inch scale vehicles both are from a comic book franchise sounds similar enough for me.
@@bodydoublesecurity4987 if the Ford ends up washing the bugatti, yes
@@bodydoublesecurity4987 That piece of shit Haslab is a Bugatti? LMAOOO
Hey, try Threezero X Megahouse Future GPX Cyber Formula HI-SPEC United Asurada G.S.X. Now THAT is a Bugatti more worthy of a $350 price tag. A whole lot of diecast and it's details makes the Hascrap Dodge Charger look like a Fisher Price vehicle.
I guess the point isn’t about all the bells and whistles, to be factual and bluntly honest are only to add flash. This is a $60 vehicle. It’s made for a seven inch figure. So when a company that is a billion dollar company needs to act like they need to be funded to make a vehicle. It just comes across as total bull 💩. This proves that. Dude made an affordable vehicle with what looks like a decent look to it. So that proves it can be done.I
this topic needs to be brought up to fight price gauging. you're helping Hasbro learn not to be ridiculous. any plastic car is a fair comparison.
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Imagine the chaos that this Batmobile will unleash once it starts arriving at toy reviewer's doorsteps.
The whole "plasticky" criticism of the Batmobile when compared to the EoV is weird when the EoV had unpainted grey plastic for every "metallic" surface. This is visible in the pictures of the physical prototypes, not just the renders.
No comparison. At all.
One sold out and is going round two of manufacturing.
The other couldn't even get funded. 🤣🤣🤣
🤣 damn I guess you right
@@ArticulatedNinja
I mean they did advertise it having "functional wheels"... That was until you put the flame effects on them, then they couldn't roll anymore.
The EoV & Rancor were very similar; many people wanted it, but the offerings and price didn't seem worth it to the collectors they were advertising to. If the price and offerings/"stretch goals" were better it would've funded. Well, that and people being burned on QC and changes made that customers only find out about once their items were delivered. You can only burn your customers so much (for that much) before their good faith is gone.
Your points are valid. These toys don't need to be crowd funded. We got a brand new castle greyskull for under 100 at retail. If they believe in their products than make them and put them out to consumers. A toy car should never cost 350. Amazon has 1/12th scale cars between 40 and 100.
The fact mcfarlane did all those vehicles without crowdfunding should speak volumes
Jup! Like MANY OF US HAVE SAID FOR YEARS- _"They're ripping ya'all off, and laughing at you behind your back."_ A Simple walk up & down Target's toy isles, says it all.
E.g. A _3' foot × 4' foot_ Massive Mattel; _Barbie_ "Malibu Mansion" or whatever it's been re-tooled & renamed as today.. Costing under $200 !! I think the current 3.0 version is $219.99 currently. Multiple units, in their Giant boxes- sitting right there on A Target Shelf.
@Floor Boss Relax bro don't yell at me, that's why I don't buy hasbro anymore. It's better to buy an import figure or just make them yourselves, also the fact that a million dollar company needs a crowdfund for a 7" toy just comes out as total 🐂💩, they just saw that it worked for the Jabba's boat so they decided to use that sorry excuse of "we need more cash to give you guys a toy that you are still gonna pay for"
I feel like Todd just isn't afraid to go all in because he knows he'll double it
The next Haslab is going to need to be a game changer, a lot of my fellow collectors are moving to Mezco, SHF, Mafex, Storm, Third party Transformers, and pretty much selling off their Hasbro stuff
Shf all the way
I agree. Although mesco I've thrown in the toilet because of the 89 Batman. What a joke.
I did that last year and let me tell you, I don't regret it, it's even better to make you own customs lmao
None of your friends moving to diamond select because I love mcfarlane spawn action figure and from diamond select I love the giant figures like red hulk, immortal hulk, titanium man, beta ray bill etc.
@@AlfredoGarcia-fp6vo Bandai is garbage because of fanboys.
My sole issue with Haslab is you are paying for the tooling and the tiers up front. However they use the stretch goal model to make you believe that you are getting something free that you already paid for.
Yeah, the Ghost Charger has a little more going on with it, but of course you can compare the two. I showed my wife the trailer for the Engine of Vengeance when the campaign was first announced and her jaw dropped when she saw the price. If they had priced it at 200 might've considered it, but 350 was crazy. LED's are cheap as hell, but Hasbro doesn't seem to realize that.
I’m a marvel fan of 30 years. A legends fan since the beginning. You are 100 percent right. My legends purchasing has taken a severe drop with in the past year or so. And will continue. The price gouging is insane.
Anyone who wants to buy everything without a worry about price gouging is either in the big company pockets or have their own money to burn. Most of us don't have that luxury.
In your last video, hell all of your videos, you have gone out of your way to be as fair as possible. Apples to apples. I appreciate you, Ninja.
The has lab may have light and sound but it is a fair comparison McFarlane had to invest in tooling for the Batmobile hasbro should be able to do the same, it just shows what we already knew hasbro are milking us for every penny possible
This isn't true. Hasbro showed off the EoV at SDCC the year before (might have been NTYF, I don't recall exactly) so they had the tooling done already.
They were after us to recover the cost of that tooling, and a much, much higher overhead. Hasbro is a larger company, more hens to feed, and their executives have stock buybacks to execute on our dollars.
That's what we were paying for with the Haslab, the car was maybe 30, 40 bucks to make, the rest was executive golden parachutes and stock manipulation.
What most people don't understand is that it's your Channel and it's your opinion. Keep up the great work.
I appreciate that!
My thoughts exactly. take watch you will from the video and move on. if you agree or disagree, its an opinion.
True that
You we’re spot on in the last video bro. I’m a mcfarlane collector and been throughly enjoying what they bring to the table price and all unlike hasbro. Hasbro has got some good stuff going no doubt, just look at there joe line but legends just comes up short lately imo. There giving you practically naked figures at double the price. You got mcfarlane doing unique sculpts and bringing out vehicles mind you at mass retail but also like you said, no crowd funding and other bullshit. Granted as you mentioned in the last video regarding the batwing, the price there could’ve been a tad better but in comparison to legends it’s like apples to oranges in some cases.
The comparison was fine. I thought what was said in that video was well thought out and articulated. Hasbro went wild with that haslab and mcfarlane is showing them how it’s really done.
The fact that the McFarlane Batmobile preorder sold out *EVERYWHERE* and hasbro couldn't back their car on their own damn site speaks volumes I feel
Mattel released a $50 big rig crane wrecker(with a globe cage and a step ladder even) for their Wrastlin line.
It looks okay for the price, and the lack of detail didn't stop guys from customizing and repainting them into Cobra troop trucks.
Hell, I'm grateful for any 1/12 vehicle released that's not a motorcycle at this point!
Honestly the fact that it didn’t get backed says it all… I almost cried when i saw that price cus I knew I’d never get that precious ride
Its not compareable because it makes them look stupid for saying Hasham wasn't price gouging the fuck out of their customer base.
I completely agree honestly, it just surprises me that people really thought it wasn’t a valid comparison smh
Mcfarlane has been making vehicles for the DC multiverse line for a while, so he will probably release the Batwing slightly different at a cheaper price (just like he did with the monster truck).
The design alone on that batwing is fantastic!
Haslab plastic would have the back wheels bending like a Legends figure knees.
The whole you're doing this for views is such a stupid response. Like what Eric July said if he wanted views he'd just shill for the big companies and do the popular thing.
Thanks yang I appreciate it 🙏🏽
Negativity actually sells. Contrarian ideas create argumentative environments whether the topic matters in "real life" or not. It literally just attracts views. It why certain comedians crush because they saying things many of us think but never will say. A brand or personality that stays positive will never get the amt of views that a "negative" one will get. People don't necessarily do it for the views. It just a result of the the way humans function.
EXACTLY!!!!
The comparison between the retros and the Shaq sneakers is a great idea to be honest, it just sneakers that are going to wear out anyway, one cost $200-up and the other was made for those who do not wish to spend laptop prices for shoes. It's the whole reason Shaq, Iverson and Ewing put out the sneakers in the first place
It's absolutely an apple-to-apples comparison for all the reasons you said. But also, the biggest issue here, IMO, is that Hasbro went out and said that the ONLY way that Ghost Rider car could have been offered was through crowd finding because of the space it would take up on retailer shelves. That retailers wouldn't be interested in something that big. That was proven wrong with the McFarlane Batmobile.
They got caught between the tails and didn’t like it…. that Hasbrolab was pure greed.
"Plastic imported from Mars or Venus" got me
This is why I keep coming back. Fresh takes and not a hasbro shill. Keep em coming ninja. Thanks for posting.
🙏🏽 thanks bro
This feels like it's a bunch of Haslows pissed that they missed out on their $400.00 ghost-driver car on a character that's not even popular.
The cashgrab plastic was soooo premium it didn't get funded.
Some of the people who get mad because of Hasbro Engine of cash grab are scalpers and others are youtubers that can afford the car no matter what the price is... after a couple of tips/donations ($1.99 x 175) and if it a Superchat ($25 or higher, it is much faster) or Patreon they got the expenses cover, forgetting that their donors have a modest income and have to choose what to collect (because budget reason [have kids, pay a real car, home, insurance, school, college, etc.]) thus putting their self interest before their own community, instead of being the voice of reason. Forgetting that they once struggle like us. Thanks Ninja for being one of the many few voices of reason in this community!
The Sentinel and Galactus are proof enough the plastic on the car is not "premium" as people would claim.
Sounds to me people just salty that the batmobile actually coming out and the hell charger not.
Marvel Legends are not the Jordan’s of action figures 🤦♂️
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It’s absolutely comparable! This is one of the reasons why the Haslabs wasn’t funded. I do think there are differences between plastics. I see this in third party between Magic Square and Newage Transformers but even if there is a difference between the quality of materials it still still doesn’t warrant the massive price difference.
Mcfarlane should have just done a better paintjob and charged 100 or something. He can do good paintjobs, far more so than Hasbro.
For a vehicle the plastic "quality" only matters insofar as it is reasonably durable and the functions still work, which i assume the McFarlane will, or it will come out in reviews that it is bad. For figures plastic matters bacause of gummyness or joint tearing and such, but if the vehicle has a good paintjob then lesser quality plastic will look the same.
Hasbro has shown digital renders before that had “paint apps” that didn’t come on the figure and the paint apps the sentinel and Galactus were lacking.
Thanks A Ninja
Knowing hasbro and their qc history the EOV would have had missing flame effects for probably 1 out of 5 vehicles
Why I normally avoid comments sections on this sort of stuff. Can’t believe anyone actually said they weren’t comparable 🤦♂️ they are plastic cars at 1/12 scale. It’s the very definition of compatible objects.
My hot take, the engine of vengeance didn’t even look that good to start with. Didn’t look like a real vehicle, it was a generic hodgepodge with a lightly detailed plastic block for an engine, the trunk was a joke and the interior detail was ok but it wasn’t anything special. Not to mention the car they were hauling around wasn’t the actual product you you get it was the show piece that was specifically designed to sell the project. Who knows how close the end product would of been or if it would of had the same paintwork. Heck for as good as the hiss tank looked, it was a custom 3D printed model of it not the actual finished product.
"Plastic from Mars or Venus"...😂🤣😂🤣👍
All those who say that there's no comparison completely missed the point.
Anybody who messed around with radio shack electronics knows how easy it is to put together lights and sounds for your Diy. Cheap too.
Wait. Why would people have such a strong reaction to your opinion about an action figure vehicle? If they disagree, why are they so upset? I thought you had great points: affordability, access, value for price. I’m still getting over the price tag for one Marvel Legends figure. I literally broke up with my Spiderman collection because of it. And I really wanted Scorpion and Lizard too. I enjoyed your video. ❤
It's totally a fair comparison. Two similarly sized cars that hold a figure. Hasbro's had more detail but not 260 dollars worth of more detail. For what we saw I'd say 120. You could maybe go up to 150 since the Mephisto and extra figures would increase price and potential interest. 350? Absolutely not. Same with the McFarlane Batwing when you have Spinmasters 27 inch long version exists for 40. McFarlane's looks better but not worth 250. You can easily dry brush some silver and add some small plastic control panel on the interior for a few bucks on your own. Keep on making your comparisons because companies won't pull their head out their rear unless you let them know about it. If people don't like when you talk about it? They don't have to watch the vid. In the end it's your channel and I like that you'll talk about things like this.
Well said. I thought the same thing. I ordered the Spinmaster last Thursday got it on Friday (wow) I opened it and 3 minutes into opening the box I ordered a 2nd one. I KNEW this was going to be one of those "I should have got it when I had the chance: type of things so I bought a 2nd one. It came this past Sunday. You could have bought 6 of these compared to the McFarlane one. Heck for $80.00 you can take the wings of one and with a little modding put it on the bottom side so that you could have a solid wing in the bottom.
Ninja you one of the realest. I respect your opinions and takes. Haters will always hate when logic is their Kryptonite. Keep doing it.
5:42 peachy rocking everywhere 👌
I think Hasbro made a mistake by making the production process for the charger an injection molded one vs the batmobile which I think looks vacuum formed. For injection molded items, the size of the tooling can balloon the cost a lot where it is less an issue with vacuum formed, but there isn’t a proportion of value there to the end consumer. There IS a quality difference between the two, but not enough to justify the price difference of $60 and $350 (Hasbro is also taking a higher profit margin, but Todd is making it up in volume). Hasbro maybe could have done a vacuuform hellcharger and with a figure had it at $100, but I don’t see them doing a quarter of the same sales as a batmobile with film support. Can anyone else with some better manufacturing experience confirm whether the batmobile is vacuuformed or rotomoulded instead?
Can't they just do the cheaper plastic and then paint it to look premium? As long as the plastic doesn't break, and stil looks premium, it won't matter that the plastic is of lesser quality right?
How do you like them apples 🤣🤣 Awesome video Ninja. Have a great day 🤙🤙
Well I blame the fast and the furious franchise for the EoV failure..If they made decent movies more people woulda wanted Dom’s Charger in their collection 😂😂
I’m more surprised McFarlane didn’t make the Batmobile more expensive seeing as it’s one of or if not the most popular well known vehicle out of any superhero franchise of all time. Ultimate middle finger to hasbro from McFarlane making it that cheap. But it was a double edge sword seeing the price for the batwing. Can’t have your cake and eat it too I guess 😆
Yea he could of charged 100 for that simple batmobile and I think it still would of sold out smh wild times man's Hasbro makes it easy for other companies to steal the spotlight.
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valid points regarding everything McFarlane though
@@ArticulatedNinja exactly Hasbro’s EoV price helped me rationalize and instantly buy a Batmobile, Batwing and a Keaton figure from McFarlane’s site day one. Almost in spite 🤣 All 3 items for under $350 including shipping ? No brainer for me. McF FTW 🙌
@@findmyfigures2707 if the Legends team woulda just mentioned the word “FAMILY” a few times in their live stream they might’ve sold me on it 😆
Idk if you read “Modern Toyfare” comment on that post…dude was trying to say it wasn’t a true scale because it’s a one seater Batmobile like bruh…it’s a vehicle that fits the figure!
You know what the ultimate comparison between this 60 dollar batmobile vs. the Haslab Engine of ... is? Batmobile SOLD OUT vs. Haslab NOT FUNDED. Nuff' Said.
Lots of fair comparison points. Sure there are some differences too. It is true the order quantity is almost certainly higher for the batmobile, it is in stores rather than a pre order, and yes the batmobile is fair more well known. Sure the Batmobile doesn’t come with a figure. At the end of the day though the comparison is about dollar value between two vehicles, and that is absolutely fair and McFarlane really shows it can be done cheaper than Hasbro and that at a lower price more units will move.
🎉😂😅 I crack up every time the pic of Todd and Bobby comes up
I love valas smile man 🤣😁
Me too 😂😅
You can lead a nerd to soda but you can’t make him drink. These are facts!!👍✅✅
You can lead a 304 to water but you can’t make her think! Money Mike’s best quote from Friday after next
😂😂😂😂😂😂 ya both got jokes ; I wasn’t expecting that
Naw bruh your argument is valid,if Mattel can give us a 1/12 scale T-Rex and McFarlane can give us 1/12 scale vehicles for around 60$ Hasbro has no excuse
You just said it king, Logic. People talking about the unfair comparison between the 2 vehicles or Haslabs toys have no logic. About anything far as I'm concerned
Thanks rodney 🙏🏽
These are the same folks that swear that McFarlane can't do faces and that Hasbro doesn't miss when Kraven and Susan Storm came out in this past year...
Your channel, your opinion. Keep doin what you do, and we'll still be here!
You have a valid point. But I see it more like comparing a regular apple to a candy apple. One cost $1.50. The other cost $7. And a lot of people have that Hasbro sweet tooth.
Again Tu for keeping it real. Shooting it from the hip like Clint Eastwood 🖤
I respect your logic, and your opinion of course. I can’t wait for your $60 Batmobile vs $60 Valaverse vehicle. That should big a great apples to apples comparison.
We just have people that are to stupid to realize that it’s not worth paying top dollar for same plastic used and for something that will be sitting on a shelf or hanging from the ceiling..
Premium isn't made of plastic in my honest opinion.
Idk maybe it's shipped from Mars lol
@@ArticulatedNinja Maybe it is, or even Venus. Venusian plastic is acid proof and can withstand temperatures that would melt lead you know. 😂 By the way since I last posted a comment I have spent my money on a new home. I have bought a narrowboat that I live on permanently on the beautiful canals of Great Britain. Haslab won't be getting my money for their overpriced dust gatherers because I have space only for the things I feel deserve it. Action figures and the things I need for daily living now take precedence over haslabs over priced offerings.
@@ArticulatedNinja shipped from Mars with a Vietnam stamp in case of the sky striker😅
Amazing video as always bro, keep axing those questions!
So I guess by the Jordan’s vs Shaqs logic, higher end figures like Mezco 1:12 can’t be compared against Marvel Legends. Or any expensive imports for that matter.
Very true don't do it
Facts
That comparison is totally fair though. You aren't paying for some space age diamond nano tech bullshit in the Jordan's and bricks of shit in the Shaq's. They're fake fucking leather, rubber, nylon strings, aluminum aglets... you're paying more for Jordan's because his logo is on them, you're paying less for Shaq's because he set out to make a shoe everyone could afford. They're fucking shoes, if I step on a nail in a pair of Jordan's, guess what, I still puncture my foot. They're overhyped shit, if people actually wore them, they're wear out just like a pair of Shaq's wear out. The comparison is totally fair, put a pair of Jordan's on a kid at the beginning of basketball season vs a kid in a prior of Shaq's see if the Jordan's last 10 times as long. That's the only comparison that would actually matter.
No eff that, I've been a loyal Hasbro customer for years but they've been completely whack with their price gouging and lack of quality to show for it.
I mean, you had other collector youtubers saying that price was ridiculous when that Haslab was up. There's a vehicle being compared to another vehicle. Yeah, the Batmobile might look cheaper but I promise you it's worth every dollar of that 60 bucks. There's no way that Hellcharger was worth 400 bucks!!
NO COMPARISON??? Um...I may not be the brightest bulb in the socket, but NO comparison between paying $60 over $350??? Somebody's talking out the side of they're neck, FO REAL! Not to snitch, but I AIN'T RICH and a ninja doesn't want to get ripped out his mouth for THAT kind of loot instead of the low, MUCH MORE AFFORDABLE price of $60
This is what is called moving the goal post.
First they said plastic is super expensive now, so it can't be under $350.
Then they said their are no toy cars for 1/6 scale figure in stores.
Now MCfarlane's Batmobile is just not a fair comparison.
If God himself came down from Heaven and said the Ghost Rider car was a rip off, the Has Bros would just say, well what does God know, it's not like he made anything.
I got to hold it. It was me dawg. I'm the only one and it was heavy. Dwight told me they mixed gold flakes in the plastic.
Man, Rush sent the goon squad at you. This was a perfectly legit comparison. Not sure what else you COULD compare it to.
It’s the same when I post abt the Snyderverse & wishing WB didn’t mess it up. Then I get comments on fb abt I’m not a real DC fan. I am, I just wish I got to see how the Snyderverse should’ve been and not what it was. Snyderverse fans, Gunn fans, all DC fans. It’s so annoying.
I got the target one!! JUST today !! I'm super happy with it ....This thing is HUGE plus it comes with a 12' inch Batman for $40 bucks ? It's a keeper.
I was having a bad day until I saw this 😂😂😂😂
Yes,I backed the Engine of Vengeance,pero when that Rc Batmobile came out and for the Price & Features?..That was a No Brainier and ended up cancelling the EoV and went with the Batmobile. I'm actually GLAD I did,..installed the McFarlane Vengeance figure in it with Seat Harness & weathered it and looks so,Dank Farriking BadAss!..yes,one can still add the missing LEDs,since it has the empty sockets for them to match it up to the $500 one.
Hasbro using a 3D rendered Ghost Rider car is a big issue.
I collect the Black Series 6 in Star Wars figures and before the ROTJ Boba Fett was released we were shown a 3D render of it.
Now, the Fett figure was pretty good, but if you compare it to the render you can DEF see the difference.
It was a completely valid comparison. I wanted the Engine of Vengeance but, hell, you could compare it to the Hot Toys Tumbler as well. The Haslab was approaching the price of a top shelf 1/6 scale vehicle that you know is much higher quality inside & out than what Hasbro was going to deliver.
Inflation is real but Hasbro was engaging in pure price-gouging hubris
Also don’t forget that Mattel Hot Wheels dropped a 120 dollar 1:10 scale RC batmobile with lights sound, can put two figures in it and obviously remote controlled. Like cmon
Wonderfully entertaining Articulated. Thanks for your efforts on this. It is so sad that the ghosts of EoV still haunt you. You've fought the good fight. The Hasbro's simply need to exorcize this topic. Logic. Reason. Value. Integrity. You've got it - they don't.
One last argument; at least I can strap my Doom head to the front hood of the Batmobile. Fat chance of it fitting anywhere on the EoV except for maybe the roof. And that would just look stupid!
thanks for the kind words Jay and true you can put that on the hood 😄
Hey, articulated, great video! got to meet you and Bobby at the Comicon in Mass a couple of weeks ago, you are two cool dudes that I respect, these Hasblows don't know their ass from their elbows when it comes to value on a collectible. they are willing to give a giant corporation 400 dollars because a guy said it has a top middle and bottom. keep up the awesome work and keep throwing out that irrefutable logic my man. keep on keepin on!
Ayyyeeee wassss gooodddd man wassup, hell yes it was dope chatting and meeting you in person.
Keep doing your thing ninja we need more people like you to keep us honest within the toy collecting community
Your last video was on point. Especially the passive-aggressive emoji thing, surprised there wasn't more of that from the Hasbros this time around. "You're just doing it for the views" is just like when someone says "that's just your opinion, though" -- it's a cheap and easy way to (try to) deflect legitimate criticism from something.
I've been seeing some genuinely lazy attempts to defend this thing. I seriously saw someone say the Engine of Vengeance *had sound* and the McFarlane vehicles don't. Either misinformed or misinforming people, but it was such a sad attempt to defend Hasbro. And why? The Haslab is over! They're not even trying to get a product they want anymore! They're just defending a *brand.* It's either fanboyism or refusing to admit they were wrong.
Superheroes don't need vehicles!!! Hey Bruce Wayne call Tony Stark see if he'll make you a suit of armor so you don't have too drive everywhere!!!
I am kind of thinking just how influential your voice has become in the toy collecting community and how spot on your opinions are that so many have to shut down your arguments.
FAAAAACTS 😂
GREAT VIDEO and GREAT POINTS!
I completely agree with all of your points, but again the biggest thing I think people still getting butt-hurt need to remember; no one was really complaining about the quality or appearance of the Engine of Vengeance, it was the price for what we were getting. I know I'm just regurgitating what you said, man, but damn is it frustrating.
Always love the videos and honesty, man. Gotta know, even if you aren't gonna consider backing it, what do you think the next Haslab is?
It don't even have a passenger seat and the proportions are off and the canopy dosnt slide and it's still a banger toy.
You just need to make somthing cool that people want and for an appropriate price.
Way I have always looked at collecting is we all lov3 what we lov3 it makes all different and conversations are another fun thing in collecting. I love debates and conversations to many today. They seem to want to cause drama and suck the fun out of it all. Keep making great videos Ninja much love and respect
It was a very fair comparison. They’re the same thing, with only one thing making them different: price point. One is meant to be “cheap” and one is meant to be “high end”. There are positives and negatives to both cheap and high end, that it comes down to personal preference and situation. You made a good point though, that we didn’t get the EOV in hand to know what the quality really was. Hard to make assumptions based on pictures
Paint? Didn't know hasbro even knew what paint was?
Yea I've been dealing with an persistent shill, I had to tell him I'm not gonna answer him anymore. Keeps regurgitating the same talking point and attempting to move the goal post. I'm not interested in dishonest conversations.
👏😂 dropping atomic elbows on all the has-bros lol 😆
So I went from seeing the McFarlane Batmobile, to it being sold out a few days later. Ha, I thought it was going to be mass produced, and put on shelves at Target and such. Like, didn't know this was a _'you gotta refresh the internet every 10 minutes for news/pre-order the damn thing'_ situation...like NECA Ninja Turtles stuff.
The Hasbros are just mad because that Batmobile destroys the Haslab vehicles narrative.
Yeah, I was one of the first to compare it. And yes I got attacked with, " Oh it is just a hollow Vehicle and does not have removable wheels and fire flames or detail on the inside. First of all screw the inside. As long as the outside looks cool. Then I got (and this was my favorite.) But it was going to come with 5 action figures. 4 because we lost the early bird special. So I did the math and rang up the price. I even went with 25 dollars a figure. so this care and four 7-inch sale figures come out to 160. What?? Seriously how stupid he said that. I don't understand people getting upset over this and defending Hasbro. What are they getting out of it? Now in today's times, some might be getting that way cause everything is about race to them. And all they see is a Latin guy's car vs a White guy's car so a white guy's car must suck. Lord, I hope not to cause that crap is dumb to even make it about that. But you would be surprised. So I just don't understand why they get butt hurt and offended for Hasbro.
Keep going Ninja, your points are so legit and they will feel ashamed once they see it !
Articulated Ninja!! Keep doing a great job!!