Why high-end audio? $20k Canton Speakers review
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- I was wearing my usual mic for this video but the audio did not come out good, not sure what happened :( Also, I said the speakers don't have that metallic sound, it's not entirely correct. It does not relative to a lot of speakers I listened to with metal woofers but it still does. Also, it's dark compare to focal but it still is a revealing speaker.
Pathos Logos
Mcintosh MC452
Canton Reference 3.2 DC speaker
Siltech interconnects
Thomas, your comment toward the last of the video (17:15) is the GOLDEN advice everyone needs to hear!! Well done!
Finally, Canton speakers reviewed in English. I wish there were more reviewers on Canton in English... like for the new Townus 90 and 100 series!
Thank you for sharing your insite.
Thomas, you made me laugh when you stated that you were going down a very dark path (LOL!!). I don't have anything close to what you or your friends have and I enjoy my system. I do like electronics and what different components can deliver, but I take it as simply a hobby. I enjoy the music first and foremost. Nothing will be perfect with reproduced audio unless you have the musicians themselves perform in the room with you. Thank you for sharing!
Most important is to enjoy the music and good for you that you are :)
I held on to $4000 CDN system for nearly 10 years without any urge to change. Now with my ~$30K system, I am constantly looking for a change. Sometimes I have remind myself that I have an awesome system and just enjoy it what I have and be real critical on the next purchase.
Have you tried the Kii all in one speaker system? It even includes room correction and digital EQ - you just supply the source.
What a really difficult, not easy but wonderful and rewarding journey you have inspired me to, tks Thomas!
Good luck ! :) It's rewarding if you come across a system you enjoy. Just be careful not to be too obsessed :)
Thomas & Stereo Yes, fine music is the gist and the decent gears are my great helping tools, tks again Thomas for prompt and kind advice!
Hi Thomas, I have the Canton SL 596. Their woofers are titanium so wondering what would be a good amp pairing? The Denon pma800 I am using now seems lacking for some reason and little fatiging. Should I try class D with the Crown for higher power, upgrade my solid state, or even jump to tubes? I am a newby so having difficulty deciding how to upgrade. I just know the speakers are capable of much more.
Keep it up! Love your videos.
Hey Thomas did you hear the Talis s300 at Angies audio corner Thomas? Im curious if you think it has that metallic sound? To me it just sounded super detailed and crystalline but not really metallic. And had insane bass esp for its size.
Finally the Canton review. Hope you do a review of the ifi tube2 soon
That might take a while. The reason is because the speakers I am using now are not bright so I don't get a chance to use it.
I really do not like to see the cost of a system used as a specification of performance; IT IS NOT.. For a basic analog system, you can buy various pieces and have under $1500 in a really nice SOUNDING system. I have heard very high end phono cartridges costing over $10,000 and was not impressed. I have heard some $150 cartridges that were very nice and detailed.
If you read some of the high end magazines, I generally find the more adjectives used to exclaim how great an item is is often inversionally proportional to any real science behind the claims.
There is and has been more SNAKE OIL in high end audio than any other field of electronics ever. Cables are among the worst area of all.... You can try 450 ohm feedline for about 60 cents a foot has very low capacitance since the spacing is wide enough. They attenuate high frequencies very little. They are NOT sexy like other so called high end cables but for amp to speaker feeds they sound wonderful.
The problem, to some extent, are the huge number of NON technical people with lots of disposable income who thing more money is more sound.
Don't worry about competing with someone who has $300K or even $20K in their system. It's not the dollars that count but HOW DOES IT SOUND TO YOU !!!! Try listening to what you have and if the sound moves you, BE HAPPY !!!!
Can you write your comment in Chinese Mandarin so I can understand what you are writting ?
@@xflnx756 I used Google translate. I do NOT speak any CHinese. So, I hope it works for you.
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wa4aos
1個月前
我真的不喜歡看到用作性能規格的系統的成本；它不是..對於基本的模擬系統，您可以購買各種零件，並在一個非常好的SOUNDING系統中花費1500美元以下。我聽說過售價超過10,000美元的高端唱機，並沒有留下深刻的印象。我聽過一些非常精美且詳細的$ 150墨盒。
如果您讀了一些高端雜誌，我通常會發現更多用來形容某項物品有多偉大的形容詞通常與這些說法背後的任何實際科學成反比。
高端音頻中的蛇油比以前任何其他電子領域都多。電纜是所有設備中最糟糕的區域之一。...您可以嘗試以每英尺60美分的價格獲得450歐姆的饋線，因為間距足夠寬，因此電容非常低。它們幾乎不衰減高頻。它們不像其他所謂的高端電纜那樣性感，但是對於放大器到揚聲器的饋送，它們聽起來很棒。
在某種程度上，問題是大量擁有大量可支配收入的NON技術人員，他們的錢越充裕。
不必擔心與系統中擁有30萬美元甚至2萬美元的用戶競爭。不是美元重要，而是如何向您發出聲音！試聽您的聲音，如果聲音讓您感動，請開心！
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Zhòngdiǎn pínglùn
wa4aos
1 gè yuè qián
wǒ zhēn de bù xǐhuān kàn dào yòng zuò xìngnéng guīgé de xìtǒng de chéngběn; tā bùshì.. Duìyú jīběn de mónǐ xìtǒng, nín kěyǐ gòumǎi gèzhǒng língjiàn, bìng zài yīgè fēicháng hǎo de SOUNDING xìtǒng zhōng huāfèi 1500 měiyuán yǐxià. Wǒ tīng shuōguò shòu jià chāoguò 10,000 měiyuán de gāoduān chàngjī, bìng méiyǒu liú xià shēnkè de yìnxiàng. Wǒ tīngguò yīxiē fēicháng jīngměi qiě xiángxì de $ 150 mòhé.
Rúguǒ nín dúle yīxiē gāoduān zázhì, wǒ tōngcháng huì fāxiàn gèng duō yòng lái xíngróng mǒu xiàng wùpǐn yǒu duō wěidà de xíngróngcí tōngcháng yǔ zhèxiē shuōfǎ bèihòu de rènhé shíjì kēxué chéng fǎnbǐ.
Gāoduān yīnpín zhōng de shé yóu bǐ yǐqián rènhé qítā diànzǐ lǐngyù dōu duō. Diànlǎn shì suǒyǒu shèbèi zhōng zuì zāogāo de qūyù zhī yī.... Nín kěyǐ chángshì yǐ měi yīngchǐ 60 měi fēn de jiàgé huòdé 450 ōumǔ de kuìxiàn, yīnwèi jiānjù zúgòu kuān, yīncǐ diànróng fēicháng dī. Tāmen jīhū bù shuāijiǎn gāo pín. Tāmen bù xiàng qítā suǒwèi de gāoduān diànlǎn nàyàng xìnggǎn, dànshì duìyú fàngdàqì dào yángshēngqì de kuìsòng, tāmen tīng qǐlái hěn bàng.
Zài mǒu zhǒng chéngdù shàng, wèntí shì dàliàng yǒngyǒu dàliàng kě zhīpèi shōurù de NON jìshù rényuán, tāmen de qián yuè chōngyù.
Bùbì dānxīn yǔ xìtǒng zhōng yǒngyǒu 30 wàn měiyuán shènzhì 2 wàn měiyuán de yònghù jìngzhēng. Bùshì měiyuán zhòngyào, ér shì rúhé xiàng nín fāchū shēngyīn! Shìtīng nín de shēngyīn, rúguǒ shēngyīn ràng nín gǎndòng, qǐng kāixīn!
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You are brutally honnest :)))) great comment!
I absolutely agree that price does not always dictate how a system is going to really sound. I am running a slew of car audio amps for my home theater system. All amplifiers I am using are old school Phoenix Gold amps, and they sound amazing. I didn't spend over $100 on each amp (I'm running 5 separate 2 channel amps) and I am using 3 EQ's to tailor the sound along with the built in crossovers in the amplifiers. As for speakers, I pretty much replaced all the drivers in my front stage and my surrounding speakers with higher end speakers like McIntosh, Polk Audio Lsi, Boston Acoustics, DCM speakers, Phase Linear, etc... I have a killer sounding home theater system that does everything I need it to. It is loud, clean and clear.
I was wearing my usual mic for this video but the audio did not come out good, not sure what happened :( Also, I said the speakers don't have that metallic sound, it's not entirely correct. It does not relative to a lot of speakers I listened to with metal woofers but it still does. Also, it's dark compare to focal but it still is a revealing speaker.
Thank you for addressing that.
Was very odd.
Hi Thomas, I got a question. With your ear and knowledge of equipment. Can an mp3 file or something similar be musical? As a consumer with small pockets. Can that be achieved? Thank you.
Also, besides resolution loss in mp3. What else is loss in the process? Sound stage, Imaging etc. Everyone I know either stream mp3 type of file or stream from RUclips. Thanks
Usually for mp3, ideally you want at least 320kps as I find 128k a bit 'hollow'. It all depends what you mean by musical. For a lot of setup, regular mp3 is ok and hard to tell a difference from a cd, only when you have a highly resolving system, you can hear the difference. (Even then, I am not sure everyone can pass a blind test on it)
That is a good question, I never compare an mp3 file against a cd to see if it affects anything else. Here is an interesting article. I would say unless you are have resolving system, I would not worry it as much. I personally don't use mp3 and i can hear a difference when I stream from Spotify compare to my cdrip but I still enjoy listening to spotify.
www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/aug/21/mp3-cd-24-bit-audio-music-hi-res
Room, room, room treatment - you can double and triple the sound quality 👌👌👌
Yup, on my list of thing to do.
@@ThomasAndStereo pro tip: talk to John Brandt.
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I have Canton speakers too, they need space and good electronics to realy shine! Yours are better then mine, and i can only imagine how lovely they sounds! P. S. Love your videos!
No no no. Not double, unless you have an empty room. If your system sounds a bit thin and leaves you cold, then no room treatment will solve it. Once you have a great sound, putting a LOT of books in the shelfs will help a lot, but we are talking 20% better sound - which is a lot- not double and triple. But I get it what you mean. Again, books, books, books. No treatment pannels can beat them, to my experience.
Really enjoy your informative content thanks
Glad it was entertaining.
what are these differences for all these expensive things compaired to some regular audio
I watched this video then up came Steve Guttenbergs ‘Did you buy the wrong speaker?’. That was also posted today. Very interesting to see them both back to back.
Thomas, I like your stuff because there is a common humility and truthfulness within your video despite the outrageous cost of the gear that’s presented.
Thanks! I try to keep it down to earth and make my videos like talking to a friend. Glad you enjoy it.
Thanks Thomas. I always enjoy your videos. Would love to see videos of you and your friends testing gear out at your place and or theirs. Although good, I think you can do better than the Cantons.
Again, thanks for sharing your journey.
Thanks, I need a pair of Dynaudio C4...just need to win the lottery.
hi i have a question. what are the best speakers or the speaker company who build the best holographic imaging speakers? i dont care about base or something but i want a holographic 3d sound...
Everything piece in the stereo chain matters but for me, if you are looking into holographic 3D sound, then I would spend more time looking into the preamp. Check out my video on why tubes. A high end solid state can do it too.
Hi Thomas, how is this canton 3.2 compared to Wharfedale Elysian 3.2? Which would you choose if you can only keep one and why?
The top end is very different between these 2 speakers. One is detail and sharp while the Elysians are not. The 3.2 has a smoother midrange while the Elysian have more texture....and so forth. So it really comes down to a question of taste. I personally am more into sharp and bright speakers, that is why I am a Focal fan.
It's great getting to hear the experiments along the journey. I just got a tube preamp and it's done wonders for the musicality of my system. When you say you're happy with your system now, what combination of equipment did you settle on for the whole chain?
For now, Pathos + MC352 or Bel Canto Or Exasound directly into Bel Canto to speakers. Yeah, tube preamps are great. I really miss them, used to only have tube preamps and then I moved to Solid state.
Thomas & Stereo I see, congrats. So really you didn't need the 452, or even the tube pre, all you needed were the new speakers. How do you think they compare to the b&w 802s or revels?
i definitely need the tube preamp. else, it sounds metallic and is not holographic. i don't think they sound as good as the 802d based on memory but could be room size the problem.
Any chance you have listened to their A45 anniversary tower? It’s supposed to have the same drivers and sound fantastic
Sadly nope.
Hi Thomas. Please help me with these speakers Canton Reference 3.2 DC speaker ? Are they any good for 2.0 stereo?
Only if you have the room and the front end gear. Like at least $10k+ front end gear with lots of power.
Hi Thomas, I can buy this Canton or Elysian 4 for the same price. The room is 32sq m, amp marantaz pm11s1, diffrent type of music. Which one you can recommend?
I highly, highly recommend these 3.2s. My friend Jason has them, I have the Canton Vento 890.2's. Canton speakers sound so good top to bottom. The ceramic tweeter is glorious....so so detailed yet never harsh.
i have the Ergo 695DC Canton and they have a foward sound, would you say the same for the 3.2 ?
No, I find mine well balance and not forward.
You shouldn't be having any doubts about the quality of these Canton's. These are wonderful speakers and I can vouch for them because I've been listening to them for many years now.
Same disappointment at first, but as you start adding the absorbers and the diffusers at the right places you'll simply enjoy the quality of the sound. Better details? Add quality silver wires and the interconnects.
I've paired them with Accuphase integrated amp e460, Analysis plus BSO speaker wires. Beats the more expensive systems by a mile.
In my opinion the accoustic treatment one does to the listening room, does lot more to enhance SQ than any additions of perceived better/more expensive hardware
Yup, my room is fully treated now, check out my latest video. Thanks for the comment.
Thomas does this combination of gear bring you closer to your goal of getting 90 percent of your friends 300k system?
Canton is similar to Axiom and SVS. They use metallic drivers.
If I bring my friend system to my house, it will probably perform at 70% compare to his home due to room acoustic and dedicated powerlines. Now my system is no where in comparison to his. So instead of 90%, maybe 40 to 50%?
Canton 3.2 or Klipsch RF7 MK3?
Thomas have you had any experience with Magico speakers? I am thinking of upgrading from my dynaudio c1 platinums to a set of magico s1 mk2 that might be too good of a deal to pass up.
Sadly only at a trade show. The one I heard has diamond woofers and I remember the bass was lightning fast just like the Raidho. The S1 is obviously something I like to try , one day. Let me know if you do get it and what you think of it.
@@ThomasAndStereo I was at the shop tonight and listened to the s1 mk2 and the Magico a3. They were both driven with a chord hugo tt2 as the dac and pre with a d'agostino momentum stereo amp. Needless to say the d'agostino is not in my price range right now I think it was over $40k USD. But they both sounded incredible. The A3 had more bass output as it is a three way design. The s1 mk2 had better treble I think it has to do with the diamond coating on the beryllium tweeter (the a3 has beryllium as well but no diamond coating). The mids were also a bit more controlled on the s1 mk2 and I had more precise imaging and a bigger and deeper sound stage.
I am going to be taking the s1 mk2 home this weekend. I was made an offer that I couldn't refuse ( almost 40% off of the retail price). So pretty close to the price of the a3. I really liked the a3 and the extra bass but for the price and added resolution and better mids it was the s1 that won me over. I can always add subs too but they have great bass for a two way design. Do you have any experience with subs in a 2 channel setup?
It will be interesting to see how they play with my gear. I have a hegel h360 and meteum onyx r2r dac. The shop did have a h190 that I listened with too. The h360 has more power so it should do well.
I am thinking about making some videos of my setup including my headphones. I currently have the Abyss AB-1266 PHI TC which probably still sounds better than my two channel setup at less than 1/5 of the price. There still is no substitute for speakers in a room though.
If you are ever in the Chicago area and want to give a listen let me know.
Hey, thanks for taking the time to let me know after the visit. Really excited for you and you have pretty good gear at home. I tried the H300 at my place and I really like it. The H360 is even better. My friend had the H190 and he thought it was great. If you are planning to make videos , then the Magico would be very interesting too. You never know, if I ever drop by chicago and have the time, will connect with you :)
Do have any interest in the Jbl Synthesis line? I've obviously never heard them but imagine they will have the magic I am looking for.
Strangely, I never tried any JBL speakers before and never felt like trying them because no one ever recommend them to me.
@@ThomasAndStereo Thanks for the reply. I really enjoy your videos. Keep up the good work my man.
Hi Thomas, Fairly new to your videos but a long time Audiophile sorta speak. Would like to know how you came to know Canton and why you chose to pursue purchasing there product? I know they are not popular in the North American/Canadian market but Over seas they are a big contender for there unique use of tungsten and ceramic for speaker/tweeter. I am more of a floorstanding listener as well due to the fuller sound stage but have recently been interested in bookshelf for a smaller room build as well. Any recommendations on bookshelf with floorstanding characteristics? Great channel on RUclips!!
Thanks. The reason I bought them is first I had the 809DC before so I know their speakers are decent. Next, it's because I am always trying to find value for the best price. For them to be well recognize in Europe, they must reach a certain level of performance. Given the fact, they are not known here, they are not expensive in the used market, which is the main reason I bought them. Bookshelves are great as they disappear easily, the Buchardt S300 will fool you into believing they are full towers. I have a review video on them. I actually made a review on a few bookshelves. Check them out.
@@ThomasAndStereo Thank you kindly for the response and recommendation.
You can also check out the S400, Sean from Zero fidelity made a video on it. I will eventually make one but it will be a few weeks.
Canton Reference 3.2 DC has nominal music power handling 350-600W. Pathos Logos output power is 2x110W RMS. So do these speakers+amplifier stack well, or this amplifier is not powerful enough to drive these speakers to their full quality and volume potential?
It sounded a bit thin with the Pathos. I had to use an external amp for best results.
Hello Thomas
Petter from Norway here. Love ur videos btw.
I am in search of new speakers in the range of 4-5000USD. I am torn between a few options and have looked at Tekton double impact, Polk Lsim 707, Goldenear Triton One (not the R), KEF R11 and B&W 702 S2.
But then I came across an offer for Canton Reference 3.2 (4000EUR) and I have heard you say that you liked them. I don't have an opportunity to audition Tektons or the other speakers because no store in my town has a lot of speakers on display so I am buying based on other ppl opinions, forums etc.
I know the Cantons are over 10 years old, but do this matter? I have many of the same preferences you have when choosing a speaker. Thanks for the input.
Best regards, Petter
You know this is a great question I get ask all the time. Do you mind if I use this question and make a whole video on it?
@@ThomasAndStereo Of course, I would appreciate it :D
Can they play Heavy Metal loud, i have try'd alot of speakers that can't play Metal but only slow and lean music, and alot of Metal fans looking for speakers that can handle it
Check the max recommended watt on it to be sure. I don't play loud myself.
Like many audiophiles I have developed very expensive tastes, but I knew logically that I needed to do something to be able to enjoy music without nitpicking about my equipment. The answer for me was to get some old used speakers that I knew well would not be as good as my main system speakers. Those cheap old speakers certainly sounded different, and not as good, but they were a novelty. I went back and forth between the two pairs of speakers and I started to appreciate the differences, not just that one was clearly better than the other. It let me see that there is no perfect speaker or system, especially when one considers the various scenarios in which they would be used. Now I am able to appreciate what I have more. I like swapping out components just to hear the differences. Yes I still think some things sound better than others, but usually even the lower end stuff has some little obscure advantage in certain recordings or at certain volume levels over even really expensive alternatives. So I am keeping myself sane by appreciating things for what they are and avoiding the trap of the pursuit of perfection. For reference, I typically spend many hundreds to a few thousand for a piece of gear, never many thousands, so my tastes are already far more modest than Thomas's.
I have a friend who has a lot of vintage gear. Recently I heard a song on his system and I could not get the same feel on my system. I prefered it on his $700 system over my $20k system for that specific song. One day, I will make a video on it. Thanks for sharing Andy.
You are the one who control your equipment. Many audiophiles willingly let the equipment play / control you. People like you may not be able to enjoy music as you used to. That's a shame because you forgot why you bought these crazy expensive boxes in the first place. ENJOY THE MUSIC !
I do enjoy but sadly not to the extend like most of you because I keep nick picking my setup😢
Thomas & Stereo
Thomas you're still unhappy because you still don't want a try the Legacy Focus SE speaker's 😂 trust me Thomas😃
195 LB each! 6 driver 4 way speaker! That is crazy!
Canton has more knowledge of sound making than Legacy. When they introduced the ribbon speakers to their systems, it indicated they couldn't make good tweeters. If you like high output, then go to Legacy, but accuracy stay with Canton.
Have you ever tried Sonus Faber? If so what do you think?
I had the sonus faber toy and those fall in the same type of sound as harbeth, very musical and not revealing. Excellent for people who hate bright speakers. There is a certain class to it.
Thanks for great video.
Appreciate it :)
Nice speakers my friend! All you need is my Speaker Stabilizer technology (Grail)...
Could u also review AV receiver, I want to purchase budget AV Receiver like SONY STR DN 1080 ( I don't want the receiver which has more functions which I seldom use) I just want performance in audio quality. Thanks
I stop playing with AV receiver 3 years ago as I stop upgrading on my av receiver. I just needed DTS HD for my blurays. For music listening, there is gap between it and dedicatd stereo setup but if budget is a concern, I would look into 2nd hand receivers as those lose value the biggest. Sory, can't be much more help.
Wow thank you brother for sharing especially for those of us who are not as fortunate or as brilliant as this gentleman is it's a pleasure to see such type of equipment now I really feel like a peon I wish I had friends like you in real life thank you
Thanks for dropping by. Hopefully you will find others who share the same interest.
That...DIY tube amp is beautiful!
He had the builder use wood instead of aluminium. Nice preamp forsure.
How much for the scratch & dent?
Hey Thomas,
How does these sound now since you have treated your room?
I never got to try these in my new treated room as I have sold them already.
@@ThomasAndStereo Oh Really :( .. If I may ask, what did you upgrade it to? If you did.
i was looking forward to this canton review, i have the canton reference 9dc(bookshelf version with 6.5").
its my first high end speaker so i can't compare with anything, i like the sound tho :)
i plugged the bass ports in the speakers and got a similarly priced sealed subwoofer(Monitor Audio Gold W15) and now i wonder how my setup would sound in your room in comparison.......
How do you like yours? Why did you plugged the bass ports? Is it too boomy because you have it too close to a wall?
i like my speakers, excellent finish and the way the speaker cover connect is elegant. i don't have much experience listing to good quality hifi, but for its open up so many new genres of music for me. re listen to all my old music also and hearing new things and enjoy how its changed with better speakers :)
i have them pretty close to walls, its a small office space with heavy sound absorption. tried plugging the ports on day and found that i fixed some room modes and cleaned up the bass, without a subwoofer ports helps get some lower bass extension but with a subwoofer the ports brings some drawbacks also.
i am not very found of ports, but without a subwoofer or eq, ports its the only way for most speakers to go low enough.
the clean and accurate sound of a sealed enclosure is to my liking.
there's not many options for me to get sealed bookshelf speaker, i know wharfedale got one and its better than plugging a speaker that not meant to be sealed with a plug....
I have always bought Marantz Amps/Receivers since I moved into the Hifi world (40 years). On a hunch I thought why not buy an expensive hybrid amp to hear a difference or not. I wanted a normal brand so I went to Monoprice for their 50 watt hybrid. I did roll the tubes to North American made tubes (although the Chinese tubes were okay). My Canton pedestal mound speakers are what's used with the amp. I can honestly say the improvement was enormous for a wide detailed sound. Forbes magazine had a similar reaction when they tested the amp to the tune of "How can an amp this low in price sound this good'. The reality is the tubes redefine the sound, and going forward my next amplifier will be a hybrid one. (Rogue, NAD, Schiitt, and some others are quite reasonable in price).
Yes tubes from my experience do help open up the sound stage. It has it's advantages and that is why many of my friends must have tubes in their setup. I am intrigue now with the monoprrice hybrid, sounds very interesting.
To each his own... Applies in audio too ❤️
Actually Thomas could you make a video regarding the pre-amp shoot out? :) and also the pathos logos! Been hearing lots of good stuff about pathos, would be nice to hear more from you!
Logos perhaps in July. Preamp shootout will be tough because I have a few on hand but different price point. From $1000 to $9000 cdn.
What happend to the Speakers - Do you still own them? Or did you end up selling them?
I sold it as I have no chance to really enjoy it because I am so busy testing speakers all the time.
Audiophillia is a disease that prevents you from just enjoying the music. These days i see kids listening to music from their phones and they dont complain and nit pick about the quality. Its easy to get sucked into the upgrade path. I HAVE a few times but luckely managed to break FREE.
I remember the first stereo that I bought, very bad indeed. What I have now is not high end to be sure but when I think back to first stereo and listening to music, ive realised that I dont enjoy music any more now.
However the music is reproduced, the music is still the music. Good music is still good. And its the music that gives you goosebumps not the electronics.
I appreciate its a hobby, but I feel that a better hobby would be enjoying music rather than picking faults with music.
Regardless, I enjoy your videos.
Glad you enjoy my video. I also envy that you are able to enjoy your music and avoid the disease!
Thomas & Stereo your video's are interesting and down to earth. I didn't mean to be rude when I said it's a disease. I hope I didn't offend you. Keep up the good work and I hope you find you ultimate set-up soon.
I agree with your statement very much so. It becomes an addiction/disease when you obsess over constantly upgrading your equipment to the point it's never ending and you are never satisfied. I've been into "Hi-Fi/home theater since an adolescent and paid $100 for a Dolby Pro Logic decoder from Radio Shack in the late 80's. I was probably 11yrs old and everyone thought I was nuts, still am by most peoples standards. I finally learned and ACCEPTED many years back that there is a quality/performance/cost ratio that need not be crossed. Once you come to terms with this understanding and approach then you can be happy with any system built under a reasonable budget.
Thomas
Instead of chasing the better bass, detail or better midrange and to help you avoid the desease, You could try to find out what it is you actually like, regardless of the specs or cost
10000% not offended at all! Glad you enjoy my videos.
What sucks, there are so many different brands and even in a city the size of phoenix, it's not possible to hear 1/3 of all the speakers that get reviewed on here.
Hi! I have experience the sounds of a Canton Speakers, a long time ago. It's really is an Awesome beast Speaker,., betterer than a JBL, Bose brand speaker, I have listen to. Thanks for the reviews.
Très très genuine ton vidéo !!! love it !! quel audiophile n'a pas été dans cet état d'âme cher Thomas. Et bien je le sais qu'on va se rencontrer prochainement et soyons easy going et let it loose attitude au lieu d"être analytique au point d'écouter seulement des fréquences !!! Mets de la musique que je ne connais pas et je ferai de même , l'effet imprévisible apporte toujours un effet surprise et plaisante au lieu d'écouter les mêmes quelques chansons dans ta playlist over and over again juste pour analyser et analyser et encore analyser!!!!
J'ai lu plusieurs commentaires dans ce post et je suis d'accord sur quelques points en particulier.
1. ROOM ACOUSTICS : malheureusement , l'ennemi juré d'un audiophile est la pièce , il faut travailler avec REW analyzer , panneaux acoustiques , unité murale , tapis , lecture , éducation , échange d'opinion , essai, erreur etc.... Un rig complet de 5k 10k 15k 20k 300k va sonner différent d'une pièce et d'une maison à l'autre et peut sonner extraordinaire ou il peut sonner comme de la bouette. Imagine toi juste pour une analogie d'acheter une caméra style Canon avec un zoom et une lentille de 10k dollards et que t'as jamais ajuster le Focus en l'utilisant , ou bien comme écouter un rig dispendieux mais dans ta cour arrière chez toi en plein dans le gazon avec une chaise a 12 pieds de distance avec AUCUN POINTS DE RÉFLEXION ( mur plafond plancher meuble etc. ) tu veux meme pas l'essayer.
2. ENJOY THE MUSIC : combien de fois t'a écouté Last Christmas au lieu d'écouter les autres chansons sur son album?? faut lâcher loose Thomas et d'apprécier le contenu au lieu du contenant.
3. THE HOLY GRAIL : faut arrêter de chercher le Coupe de Jésus Christ , tu ne le trouveras jamais!! t'as trouvé ton sweet spot avec tes composantes , arrête , respire , médite et apprécie le purpose de ce hobby. Il n'y aura jamais de fin à cette histoire de trouver la perfection. ton ami avec le système a 300k va lui meme avoir des journées ou il va jubiler devant son systeme et d'autre journée ou il va dire y'a surement quelque chose que je peux faire pour améliorer mon système!!!!!
4. MENTALITIES : bryston , canton , kef , mcintosh , focal , bowers wilkins , tubes , transistors , etc.... l'important est de regarder dans le miroir et dire c'est quoi ME MYSELF AND I que je veux accomplir !!! Est-ce que je veux un son analytique ( in your face sound ) un taureau ( meat sound ) un cheval ( puissant et épuré ) ou bien un tigre ( mélange de meat et épuré ) , bref chez moi par exemple j'ai un son plutot tigre mais toi cest peut etre un son taureau , si tu vas chez ton ami focal kanta c'est plus du cheval. Ils ont tous des avantages et désavantages , ca revient au point de départ : se regarder dans le miroir et non dans le miroir des autres.
Bon Bon , fini le sermon du curé de la paroisse .
Je t'appelle bientôt et en attendant ENJOY YOUR MUSIC !!!!
Tout ce que vous avez dit est vrai. En tant qu’audiophile, je sais ce que vous voulez dire.
Je pense que la prochaine grande étape est de travailler sur l’acoustique de ma chambre. J'aurais dû le faire plus tôt mais maintenant, ma chambre est plutôt calme.
Nous parlerons quand tu viens :)
Glad you are in a happy spot again Thomas!!! That is what matters the most...so don't go and visit your friends $300K system for as long as you can. LOL
What are your thoughts on active speakers with time alignment like DSP 8000's by Meridian?
Also have you demo'd Auro 3D...and if so what did you think?
Thanks for all the videos with such great explanations.
No, I have never demo Auro 3D but recently my friend bought a amp that has room correction and he said it is amazing. I have to go check it out. I almost bought an active speaker recently but never really look into it. One day I will.
If I had the money I'd have the McIntosh...oh course! But my budget makes me become more respectful vintage system. That way I can enjoy the minerals of higher end units for a small fraction of the cost. 😊....thank you for sharing....I love your reviews
Thanks, I have a friend who has a lot of vintage gear. Some sound really nice. I like Sansui a lot.
Thomas & Stereo
I love Sansui a lot as well... I have a Sansui au 555 and a Sansui 9900.. And I just picked up a Sansui 5000x receiver and they are very respectful for the price point and engineering. They are similar in sound stage and versatility. Thankyou
was listening to a sansui 1000x this morning actually
Thomas & Stereo
Sansui was obviously a very generous company.... You should get a sansui 5000x in you collection. Incredible phono stage. I should say for someone on. Budget... Free technology at an incredible price
Hi thomas you are lucky being where you are 5 to 6 years ago I tried to get the Earthquake Titans in Australia -they had the smaller Tigris but the production of the Titans was over - I did my research and saw that this beast was quite reasonably priced for the performance on offer .I look forward to your review Just was too hard to import second hand to here they are too heavy cheers
I have the titan Tigris actually, the bigger model, I heard is better. Having said that, I got mine very cheap used and best bang for the buck.
damn ! I had to purchase from the distributor the Tigris shipped with no audition and based on what a couple of Yanks said and the secrets review (reviewing a speaker like that in a tiny room)i backed off -our dollar was high at the time and could have got them for a really good price -but no return - looking forward to the review -there very expensive in Australia now
What do you think of Magico's new A3 speakers? Or McIntosh XR100's for your room size. ruclips.net/video/9wpH1g5X_VE/видео.html
OMG, those XR100 are insane. I always wanted the A3. Those are too new, so even on used market , too expensive.
When you like the sound of the Canton Speakers, you just need to wait until the Successors are announced. Prices instantly drop to about 50%, at least here in germany. Now that the Reference K Series is available, you can get the 3.2 DC for ~4000€/pair or the biggest brother the Reference 1 DC for about 7000€/pair.
Greetings from germany!
Nice, I sold mine already and really miss them.
i see a pair of these sell for 6kusd now, is this a good buy?
It's ok but you need very good front end and a big room to consider these.
@@ThomasAndStereo Thomas, thanks. what do you mean " good front end", the CD and amp? or the space?
Fix the acoustics in your room that is the problem no amount of money spent on stereo equipment can fix that. You don't have to spend a fortune doing this either. I've seen simple solutions like putting a large sofa on the far wall with a large tapestry above it and putting thicker curtains over the windows. Then putting blankets on any wall that seems to be reflecting to many soundwaves. Then making sure the speakers are placed in the optimum position. These are some very simple and cheap solutions you can try. I've heard some very cheap speakers that had a flat ferq. response sound like a million dollars. All you have to do is tune your room. Nice stereo equipment can only fix so much. You can try to cheat it with very us digital sam tuning software like Sonos but that is only a bandage on the real problem and that is the acoustic tuning of your room. Yes, your speakers are to big for your room and that is causing a lot of standing waves in your room. However, tuning your room to accommodate the large speakers by put up thicker padding or bafulles on the walls and ceiling might help. Don't forget to enjoy the music.
Yup, on my to do list.
I wonder what you would feel if you listened to the Beolab 90. To me they sounded just 'right'. They have amazing room compensation qualities too. B&O isn't famous in high end audio circles, but to me their high end speakers are world class.
Hi Thomas, cool videos! Just to share my experience, I noticed bigger speakers with more bass output (nothing to do with going lower down the frequencies) may be worse if the room has problems with resonance. I too upgraded from the kef ls50 to the kef reference 3 only too find these kind of problems. What I find is the so called punchy bass you are after is only possible if your room is free of resonances. So either you correct position, dampen the room or do as I did reducing bass output at the problematic frequencies with EQ (after measured by a mic). I got punchier bass and the rest of the music shines through. Bass resonance was extremely audible for instance at 41hz on hotel California live by the eagles from hell freezes over on the beat at 0:20secs. On this we should hear 2 beats slightly different tones, where I previously heard 2 loose and diffuse resonated beats. Regards
Thanks for sharing, yup, the punchy bass will have resonance problem if the room has an issue. I either use an equalizer or i close off the bass port. I never measure with a mic, what software to use?
Thomas & Stereo I use Room EQ wizard. Measure the freq response (I find that measuring combined L+R results best) then set a nearly flat freq response target and it will generate EQ configurations for you to input on your audio player. Tipically problems occur bellow 500hz and should only try to we below it. Let me know if you need some help. Cheers
Will do when I really start working on my room acoustics.
Well, I watched this review because I watched two previous videos on Quad 989's and SF Ellipsa's. I was intrigued when you said the Quads rolled off early and then you said the same thing about the Ellipsa's, so I went digging once I finally found out what Canton's you owned. I read KR's review in Stereophile and then looked at the measurements for your speakers. For some reason, Canton puts in almost a 20db notch filter in the high frequencies right at 20k (Stereophile review fig. 4). I can't help but think this must cause some kind of phase anomalies lower down. There is practically zero response above 20k. I also found that the Ellipsa's are rated flat out to 30k, so they are still loafing along at 20k, easily within their performance envelope. Meaning most likely better phase response and lower distortion (I didn't look to see if these had been reviewed). Apparently you liked the high frequencies of your Canton's, so it 's all good, everyone's tast and ears are different). I am sorry you sold your big Canton's, they looked like nice speakers. If I were you, I would try to find a speaker that interacts minimally with a narrow room. One possible option would be omnidirectional speakers, at the lower price point Ohm Acoustics and at the upper end would be German Physiks. Deuvel may also be a possibility or even used MBL's (the standmounts). Also, electrostatics have very little radiation to the sides, it is almost all to the front and rear (the so called figure 8 pattern), but they need to be placed at least 3.5 to 4 feet out into the room (the more the better, usually) for them to breathe properly. You will probably want a sub with any of these speakers since you like that deep bass grunt. Just some things for you to think about. Don't let your room dominate you, find ways to work with it. A couple more thoughts, I hate to see anyone give up on high end audio. What about a pair of DeVore Gibbon 88's? They work well with low powered tubes. I have heard them and loved them. I think they reach down to the low 40's or upper 30's and then you should have plenty of room gain to get another 5db or so of low end response. Usher makes a slim tower with two mid/bass drivers and a diamond tweeter, there are ton's of them out there, do some digging. Some have ribbon tweeters, diamond, cone, you name it, almost every manufacturer has a 6 or 7 or 8 inch two way. I just thought of another one, the Verity Audio Parsifal. There are several generations out there, the Ovation is I think the most recent that you still can no longer buy new. The most recent is the Anniversary. The great thing about the Parsifal is the 8 inch woofer can be placed either forward or to the rear. Their preferred implementation is the woofer to the rear, but they say many customers have had great results with it pointing forward. You may want to consider a supertweeter addon to your Dynavector speakers, plus there are a couple of other speakers that might work for you mentioned in the final two pages of this article (6moons.com/audioreviews/enigma/6.html), the Albedo Aptica (didn't really need the supertweeter) and a MV One single driver speaker. Probably any good single driver speaker would work fairly well, just watch those first reflections. By the way, have you ever heard of a case of beer? That's what fiends are for, free help for your room problems for free beer. :) Or wine, or gift certificates to HDTracks, whatever floats their boat. Don't do too much to your room until you figure out what speakers you want to live with for a while. Best of luck.
wow, thanks for talking the time for writing a long comment and caring. My friend has the Parsifal and I think speakers that size are perfect for my room. My room now is 11 ft wide, 8 ft tall and 15 ft long. With added bass trap, I don't hear any boominess with the bass anymore. Side reflections have been taken care off too.
It could be the terms I use but I can hear a difference when comparing speakers with super tweeters and not. Probably owned abut 50 pairs now. Although detail are present in both type of speaker, the efffort to hear them is different. I have pioneers that can reach 100k but they do sound roll off. So I guess what I am trying to say is that it feels like they voice it to sound 'laid back' as I heard confirmed by Andrew Jones in some interviews. So it's not about how they respond in measurements but how they sound. Hence for the sake of a conversation, i just distinguish them by calling them roll off and classify them as musical. I think everyone taste is different and age also affects it. There is no correct way to listen or neither should everyone should aspire to have their system sound natural because for me, it's whatever makes you feel good and that is the end goal for me.
I've watched this review several times, and I'm enamored by the Canton Reference speaker. It seems that you have since moved on from this speaker, and I wondered why. I also wanted to know how the Canton Reference compared to the B&W and Revel that you mentioned in the review. Reviews of the Canton Reference speakers are rare.
Thank you.
I felt my room was too small for it. Eventually I settle on the Silverline Sonata cause it is not too expensive and it sounds really good. I don't want a super expensive speaker because I don't have the time to enjoy it. I have had other high end speakers and just end up sitting there. The reason is because of my youtube channel, I end up spending most time listening to review samples instead of my own speaker.
When you say your room is too small, do you mean the whole room or the distance from where your listening to your speakers. I'm hesitating between MA PLATINUM 300 AND CANTON REFERENCE 3. tks
i have the canton vento reference 7 DC.. they are amazing....
Nice,what amp do you pair it with? Have you tried tubes with it.
@@ThomasAndStereo Rotel pre rc1570 and power RB 1582. No haven't tried tubes with them
I feel the key is the overall concept of the room, including power supply, room acoustics, components, cables, location of the components and listener spot. To limit the focus to budget & speakers only is missing the essence of a system to a large degree, based on my experience. In the past i also underestimated the importance of the overall concept. I am very familiar with Canton Reference & Canton Reference K and i can assure you, that these Speakers - as all high quality speakers - need the correct ingredients in order to perform according to their capabilities.
Yup, that is why I renovated and treated my room now. I even have dedicated power jacks installed. (I showed a snap shot of it in my KEF LSX video) Thanks.
I feel for you. There are tremendous variables in Audio that come before the system you listen to. There is how it was recorded. With what equipment. Which microphones. The room that it was recorded in. How the mics were placed in relation to the instruments. The recording engineer. The mastering engineer. The studio monitors that the mastering engineer used. Ad Infinitum. Were the engineers smoking left-handed cigarettes at the time? Then there’s listening room acoustics of your system. One final bit I should add. Absolutes are not obtainable. However anxiety over the money spent on the system interferes with the pleasure of listening to good music well recorded. The problem with an “UNOBTAINIUM AUDIO COMPANY” system is that it is not for sale on earth at any price. Now, one can have decent sound from systems starting at about $1000 on up. Stop listening to the system and enjoy the performances. Good luck.
Those are some fancy wire's you got there.
Sadly the best ones belong to my friend. I am not a big fan of spending money on cables although I do believe in them.
So did you say canton are picky in amplifier?
No, I am saying at $20k mrsp, I expect the world. Sure, you can get good sound with most gear with it, but I want that specific perfection that I like so I spent time trying to fine tune it to my liking.
@@ThomasAndStereo how do you compare it to dynaudio and kef
I gave up on fixing bad rooms. Now when I want to really enjoy music to its fullest I listen either very nearfield or with headphones.
Thomas, let me help you out. I have an old trasister radio which I am prepared to swop for your modest set-up. Satisfaction guaranteed .What do you say? :)
Hi, for near field desktop usage, would you go with Quad S-1 or Canton Vento 816.2?
Sorry, I have never heard them.
Why dont you try tge Legacy super high end Valor ? Oh BTW MCIntosh is right across the river from me ,I live in Binghamton lol
I did not know anything about Valor, interesting!
Thomas & Stereo go check them out Ive herd them. They are amazing
i don't know if they have it in Canada, hopefully at an audio show
Thomas & Stereo because of your system and the type of speakers and stuff that you use you might want to hit them up off their website or social media and see if they can send you a pair to test can't imagine they probably wouldn't with what you have
Thomas what NKOTB tack is that please?
ruclips.net/video/ZT_7UjCVELg/видео.html
Thomas & Stereo just running this track through Tidal via Oppo103DSE/OppoApp to PerfectWave DAC to PassLabs XA25 to PMC’s and subwoofer run in parallel off the back of the Pass. Long sentence 😉. Sure the treble is nicely delivered with perhaps some lack of shimmer sustain but otherwise really very good. I like being able to adjust the sub level and crossover manually to different tracks and albums. Thanks for triggering this demo 👍😊
Darn, you have a nice system. Thanks for sharing.
Thomas & Stereo a quick sample for you Thomas: ruclips.net/video/iIf0Ix0PbqM/видео.html . Thanks for the compliment.
yup, i remember your system, love how it's nicely stack.
Thomas I would love to hear the Pathos and Mcintosh 452 with the Canton's
cool, will try to do a demo but I am having 'issues' with my Pathos for now.
Do musicians play concerts in anechoic chambers?
I am sure somewhere out there in this big world, some do but most don't....not sure where you are going with this question.
Many comments about your room acoustics this is a common comment these days but bands do not play in artificial environments.
Hello Thomas, I enjoy your quest to find that special sound, however I feel you may be focusing too much on numbers. I recently went back to Magnepans as this was the first speaker that gave me the audiophile bug. My system is composed of all used components, but they have "synergy" and that is what makes a system special. My system disappears and I can sit back and listen to the music and not the equipment. All of my components were only around $2500 used (originally around $4000 new).
Congrats on building a system that has great synergy. I am not really stuck on numbers, that is why I try speakers from all price point. From $300 all the way to $20k. I went thru 30 pairs and all of them have their strength and weakness. Magnepans, I never tried because of space. I have a home theater projector screen and those speakers would block the screen. That is the ONLY reason I never try Magnepans.
Thomas, i have made some comments about room acoustics. And I will do it again. Your speaker set up is fine and for sure well balanced because you have passion and put alot of effort into chosing that equipment and you are very detail orientated. But its the room causing the problems, not your equipment. These large speakers are almost "trapped" in the narrow room. I bet if you place your speakers in that 300.000 speaker room you will be amazed how good they sound. The room makes 90% of the sound. Maybe a project for you, testing these speakers in another room.. maybe a new path out of the dark path where you are right now..
The $300k room, if you walk in, it's like you walk into a library. It's very quiet. Yeah, one day. Great to hear from you !
Please try nubert speakers from Germany
Canton customer service is horrible. Thanks Thomas. As usual another good review. However I tried to contact Canton as I wanted to find out about buying one in UK. first via email, they never responded then I called them up . The first guy hung up on me. Called again and a lady answered. She really didn't want to help at all. All she kept saying was just contact us through the website. Would you really want to deal with a company like that?
That is bad service. There are many choices out there so I would not bother. My cousin once told me, he always give a restaurant 3 chances. 1st bad meal, maybe the chef is having a bad day, 2ne bad visit, coincidence, 3rd visit, well it's highly probable it's a crappy resto.
Thomas,
I can't help but think you might benefit from some less conventional designs. I too went through numerous 3-way, narrow-baffle floorstanders. Unfortunately, I couldn't find any that tug at the heartsrings, whether driven by SS or tubes. In a previous comment you said there was something you liked about the Spendors (i believe they were S5es?) but couldn't put your finger on it. I'd wager that something was musicality -- something I find is missing from 95% of narrow-baffle floorstanders. Unfortunately, Spendor is not known for "punchy bass," however, their newer models with the Ep77 cones, like the D7 & D9, produce a lot more "punch" and snap. Yes, these are narrow-baffle towers but they have the British midrange and timing which makes all the difference.
Other speakers I suspect you might like are the Devore O/96 and Audio Note ANe...and maybe even a good horn speaker like the Volti Rival. These are brands that have discovered the all too elusive equation for sonic emotion. And let all those measurements be damned!
Thanks for the suggestion. I took out the Spendor S8e to listen again yesterday, I just like that sound and I am still trying to figure out why. One day, I will try their higher end model. I should give horn a try, and if I come across a pair of Volti, I will pay attention to it.
how come i cant see the video?
ruclips.net/video/dGJm8975mRs/видео.html&lc=UgzT_IpoUkcfKWMNlXh4AaABAg
Maybe this link?
Hi Thomas, Which Cantons are they. Vento Reference ?
Vento reference 3.2s
One more thing that I think is important to note:
hi fi system's should be used as a tool to listen to and enjoy music. In audiophillia however, music is a tool used to listen to the hi fi system.
That's a problem.
That's deep :)
those speakers are suppose to be at their best with arcam p49 Merci.
The Reference3.2 is really good. But the 18Hz bass extension spec is some funky -10dB German standard, totally unrealistic. Also Cantons have a passive high pass filter on the bass drivers to decrease excursion and increase dynamic range - they call it DC. That makes the bass punchy and clear but not deeper than the woofers can handle. The speaker has solid 30hz extension - that's all you need in a home environment, for music.
I did not know it was -10 db. Good to know. Thanks. Also, I always wonder why they put DC in the name.
@@ThomasAndStereo They're clearing out stocks of the .2 series right now in the US, 1500$ for the bookshelf (1600$ in the superb gloss wood finish) and 4600$ for a pair of 3.2's plus a center. No such deals in Europe. :(
www.accessories4less.com/?type=&page=search&action=index&id=canton+reference&skip_redirect_suffix=&mode=pattern&search_query=canton+reference&category=&thumb_sort=store_price.desc
We have the emperors new clothes syndrome. Upgradeitis. Audiophilia Nervosa. Gear Aquisition Syndrome (GAS) The need to continually change/upgrade and never be satisfied. This is fuelled by a market of mostly Asian made audio jewellery. Parts are made in Asia, and assembled in other countries. Even genesis does this. Components are made for pennies on the dollar, and priced at an arbitrarily high pricepoint that is frequently 10-20x the manufacturing cost. This is for snob appeal. It goes hand in hand with the self-hypnosis that you autromatically assume more expensive is always better. FWIW: the human chest cavity resonates at 115hz. Any system with sufficient energy at that point will make your heart move. While I'm sure it's wonderul to change gear like people change socks, its more wonderful to find something great and stick with it. Psst--- NKOTB isn't a reference-quality recording. I care a lot about soundstage and imaging- that's vital to fidelity. No tower speaker is going to drive 18hz in a room that small, or very well compared to a dedicated sub. Who cares if it's 60db at 18hz? That's useless. A bit rediculous? It's like someone charging $2000 for a bottle of water.
There are a few things I agree but some I don't. "emperors new clothes syndrome. Gear Aquisition Syndrome (GAS)"can be true for some people but not true for all the audiophiles I meet. At least not me, I will be the first to admit I have the upgrade bug and it's a disease I enjoy and hate. However, I don't think it's fair to say that for all audiophiles. I truly believe most people upgrade for very good reason and they don't pay high price for snob appeal. Just that price is set by the free market and the audio market does not work like the mass market. Cost to run business is different. Sure there are some stuff that are ridiculously priced such as, in my opinion, crazy expensive cables, but there are many high end gear that are price correctly based on their business model, even if it is 10x the cost of manufacturing. If you ever ran a company like I did, it's a bit more complicated than that. Some stuff, if you don't charge 10x, you cannot stay in business, for example, limited customers due to niche market as opposed to Sony selling to millions of people.
You can charge someone $2k for a bottle of water, but does not mean people will buy it continuously. People might buy if our of curiosity but it is not sustainable. I think most people are honest and fair. Everyone is in this business to make a profit, some take advantage of the market but I believe most are doing what they need to to stay in business.
Just to clarify, moving my heart, I don't mean it literally so I don't understand about the 115hz. The music I listen to actually don't have a lot of bass.
18hz...yeah, on paper. Maybe I will get it in a big room but I can't imagine it's possible. Finally, remember, this is not a review channel. I am a nobody just chatting to an audience like a friend, so I really don't care about reference quality recording, think of it like having a friend over, I just do stuff like on a normal Sunday, that is why no high quality production with my videos.
I see they are for sale now :-). What has replaced them?!
Nothing, I put it up at a high price that If I don't sell it, I am 100% fine and actually would be happy about it. The more I listen, the more I realize none of my speakers can replace it.
@@ThomasAndStereo thoughts on the vento reference 9 or 9.2 for a 2.1 setup? Do they share same upper drivers with the 3.2? On sale right now @ accessories4less!
I never heard them but they woofers and tweeter definitely look similar. I find this Canton series, despite having metal based woofers are less fatiguing than my KEF and Elacs. If you go for the 9.2 series I would guess you would need a sub to go with it. Do you have those?
@@ThomasAndStereo I certainly do! My Rythmik f12 would certainly do the job nicely. I am a big fan of standmounts + separate sub(s) as opposed to floorstanders...Both sonically and financially
Also bookshelf speakers tend to disappear more easily in normal size room. My Canton don't.
"You know what? Lets buy a mcintosh"...
In the meantime when I get bored I go buy a sneakers lol
Are those manga on your shelves? If so, what titles?
oh, I have a lot, a few bookshelves. I have claymore, Naruto, Dragon ball, Rosario Vampire. I stopped buying because I ran out of space.
Cool! Wonder if you've read Berserk. If you haven't, you should :D Anyway I enjoy listening to your channel. Good work!
thanks, berserk was great, i stop at the witch arc, waiting for him to add a lot more chapters before continuing.
Rooms acoustic and speaker position plays a significant role. My had a large cabinet. Once i cleared it and position the speaker properly, the soundstage and sound got better. You have too much stuff there
i already tried removing it, also tried moving the speakers to the side. pros and cons after trying it.
I'm enjoying your trip to audio nirvana but Lord help you, you are going down the rabbit hole hard:)).
For my own sake I hope it's not soon but the day you want out just do a blind test at equal volumes with a spl meter :).
After that sobering experience just do some clever accoustic treatment, get yourself some good bookshelves, any good pair will do and get a couple of top subs and that would be the end of this great journey you are sharing with us. In the meantime good luck.
Cheers
Its; too late for me! Save yourself!
Thomas & Stereo
Haha. Fortunately for us audiophiles there is an easy way put to this addiction. A simple ABX blind test at equal volume and all the troubles would end in a second. So salvation is just an spl meter away... But please, dont be in a hurry, I enjoy a lot watching those beautiful machines you share with us. Cheers
Thanks! The addiction continues...just picked up a pair of Totem Signature one bookshelf speakers, can't wait to share those ~!
That is absurd. The prices are completely wrong.
The Canton cost just 4000 euros a pair in Germany.
In my region you can get the Canton Reference 3.2 DC for 2000€ a piece, I was a bit shocked to read that you paid $20k for them.
Nah, it's the mrsp in north america. I have to use that when making comparison else there is no frame of reference. You also get it cheaper in Europe so $4000 euro for a pair used seems right.
@@ThomasAndStereo Did you buy the 3.2's from Accessories4less?
Now a pair cost less than 3600 Euro in Germany. Maybe they dont more worth. If you looking for a high end system, take the ATC active classic speakers. They sound neutral. If you like outstanding fast bass, take the active ASCENDO Live 15. If price doesnt matter, take the Von Schweikert Ultra 9. Greetings from Germany.
I had canton ref 5 for about 6 years ago , good speakers but not really for My taste , do like My klipsch RF 7 III more . Thoose canton had weak midbase in My room . Cheers 👍
Thanks for sharing, RF7 looks nice. Never tried the new ones but one day I will.
sound like my $300,000 speaker start going bad
hello thomas Have you heard off sonus faber Guarneri tradition if you didn't Go for it you might Be surprise
I have heard Sonus faber higher end models before but never really done critical listening. Because of my $300k friend, I get to go to the store and spend a lot of time there with no one bothering us. I just remember sonus speakers are beautiful and the sound are more neutral compare to the other speakers I auditioned there. I have to go back and really listen one day. I had the Sonus Faber Toy at one point. Very different speaker compare to most speaker I own. Very musical and I loved it with older songs.
If you listen to much older music you are in danger of having better listening equipment than they had recording equipment. You don't want limit your choices because, "well I don't like the music so well but they recorded at my favorite studio." I know how your mind works because I know a guy very well whose mind works similarly. Each step taken makes the expenditure more "reasonable." I suggest that you might change your criteria. This guy I know so well is building his own set of, hopefully, fairly high performing front speakers for movies. The sound is where it is at. I almost have all the components and will start on the cabinets soon. They will never compete with the type of speakers you play around with but they should make me happy. I mean that guy I know. Anyhow...maybe go deep by designing your own system, "how good can i get with $10,000? How good can it be with everything at least 30 years old? It would still hold interest for your channel and might be a lot of fun. You are running into diminishing returns, maybe it's time to maximize returns. I can see it now, tears streaming down your face listening to the Scorpions and the Berliner Philharmoniker "Winds of change" Beautiful! On a system you scavenged together for less the half a years wages. (not making fun of you) Best wishes to you.
I learn to give up on only listening to only good recording but there is truth in what you said especially when I first started. Now, I even listen to youtube songs on my big system, don't care anymore. I actually have 2 setup in 2 rooms. One entry level for music listening while I work and the main system.
"i have 2 friends..."
i have no friends. 😢
Hello Thomas,
you can buy this speaker new for 4000 Euro (pair) in Germany ...
Ah. That is the price I put up for sale too.
Ah, ok ^^ Not 20000 Dollar for only the speaker ;-)
20k cdn is when it's new. Have to have a proper point of reference when talking about speakers