Ultimately it’s a numbers game… people love to live and die by these numbers(which is ok), lots of people just don’t have real world experience to fall back on, so base they’re whole narrative on that. I grew up on my family’s ranch and have pulled all kinds of loads with half tons,3/4 tons and 1 ton SW and duallys. So much depends on where and how you’re pulling… I pull a 30ft stock trailer with 18k of bulls all the time(has air bags) with my 3/4 ton ram, I use the same truck to pull a 42ft 15k 5th wheel with absolutely no issues. You got plenty of truck to pull that 5th wheel bud!
I have a very similar truck as you but higher trim and consequently about 300+ lbs less payload. The heaviest load I’ve towed with it is 10k lbs on the bumper, which was effortless. As others have mentioned, all loads and weight are not created equal and RVs are wind sails especially at highway 70mph+ speeds. I also have a 6500 lb travel trailer and again effortless, but the wind sail affect is more noticeable than my 10k loaded flatbed trailer (loaded with my tractor, FEL, bucket, box blade). And now I’m in your position of considering the towing affect of pulling a 5’er and have never towed anything other than bumpers toys. A book could be compiled regarding this subject and it probably should. I’ve done a lot of research and I think this camper would be absolutely acceptable for your truck. However, you need to consider more variables in your evaluation… lots of rules of thumbs are good start, but consider the overall length, height, and load distribution (slide out and storage location dynamics) in your windsail effect calc. I’m personally going to stay under 17k trailer gvwr, 13400k uvw and 42’ length
Add some helper springs or timbrens.. and it will help a lot .. 2500 to 3500 difference is minimal on a diesel other than the 3500 has stock helper springs ..
@@Myksgarage I also added sumo springs on my 36 foot camper which helped the roll feeling you get.. like others said wind is your enemy when towing....
I would go with larger truck. Pushing the numbers to close can cause failures or stability issues on a long trailer at max pin weight. Go for safety every time. Your family deserves that.
If his estimated number was correct then he wasn’t at “max pin weight.” The thing that makes it a gamble is that in reality, all bets are off until you buy the trailer, load it up and then take the whole rig to a CAT scale and have it weighed. Then if your estimated numbers were off and you already bought the trailer you’re in a bit of a pickle.
Hi there, I currently own a 41 foot 5th wheel, with a GVWR of 15,000lbs and I can honestly tell you, with something that large... you should strongly consider a dually 1 ton. I drive a 2019 RAM 3500 Dually with a Cummins. We live in Atlantic Canada, and can get some pretty strong winds at times, and since you are responsible for your entire family, safety to me is everything! The numbers are only half the story when hauling large campers... they catch a lot of air! I would also be weary of your cargo capacity calculations. If you watch Big Truck, Big RV RUclips Channel, he has a scale he uses to measure pin weights... and on average, a good number to use is 20% of the Gross Weight of the camper. In your case that would be 2,906lbs. A good 5th wheel hitch will run around 200lbs, so your cargo is already at closer to 3100lbs. Now you are down to 360lbs remaining... and you and your wife would probably eat up the best part of that 300lbs (I'm just guessing here) so if your 4 children are under 60lbs total, then you would be ok, if you didn't buy a cup of coffee for your journey. My 1 ton has 5400lbs cargo capacity, and my camper runs right at around 3000lbs of pin weight when we are loaded light, and I feel safe and confident while driving. You also need to think about insurance. Should an accident happen, and serious injuries were had, the insurance company will try every avenue possible to void the insurance. If they can prove any way possible, that you were over weight, they can void your insurance... so keep that in mind as well.
Danny, I think you are 100% correct. All my 5th wheels were 20-22% of trailer weight on the pin. The RV mentioned in the video, will almost certainly over on rear axle weight. The rear tires will be at max if not overloaded, let alone the axle. Dually suck around town, but they are the solution for heavy 5th wheels such as this. I don't know about GM, but Ford deducts 2% tow rating for every thousand feet of elevation. Gas rigs have higher payload ratings due to the lighter gas engine.
Great video! I highly recommend finding the total weight of people, fuel, hitch, and things (tools, cooler, etc) before you decide the truck can handle the payload. Especially with a standard bed truck. I was shocked to find that the recommended slider hitches weigh between 200-300lbs. There goes a big chunk of payload! Add a full tank of Diesel and there goes another appropriate 240lbs. I have the LTZ version of your truck, with a payload of 3067lbs, and I have a 5th wheel with similar numbers. Even though the truck can totally handle the pin weight and towing weight, the 2500lb pin weight gives me only 500lbs left for hitch, passenges, fuel, equipment...and I am shocked to find out with my 350lbs of passengers, a 250lb hitch, 240lbs of Diesel...I'm over payload. So now I'm looking for ways to drop weight from my truck! I wish I had known before I bought my truck! Now I'm sitting here thinking, if I move the spare to the rv while towing, only fill my tank half full, remove the running boards, take out the back seat...maybe I will be within payload? I need a new truck and I have only had this one 3 weeks 😫 in conclusion, make sure you know how much weight (other than your pin weight) your truck will need to carry. Good luck to you!
Great video, alot of people overlook "towing math", and payload. It can be confusing especially when you factor in how you camp. In my case family with young kids, all the gear like bikes, grills water activities ect. The weight adds up quickly. I bought my tt to allow extra room for payload and hitch weight to be on the safe side. Having said that it pulls fine, but I could always use a bigger truck. 🙂
@@Myksgarage ecoboost f150 with max tow. It does the job, but looking to upgrade to the truck you have in the gas version. That way I have room to grow as the family does. 👍
@chrispenuel6538 probably too late. But I hope you didn't buy the gas 2500. I made that mistake, hauled my 11k camper twice took it back after 30 days and traded for 2500 diesel. The gas got 8.3 when towing, my diesel gets 11.5 and is way more stable. It not only the diesel. The Allison 10 speed transmission makes it effortless for the engine
The trailer is likely a little too big. I would want something a bit smaller and lighter for my F350 3638 lb payload. Always use the max trailer weight which in this case is 14500 lbs x 20% for an approximate pin wt of 2900 lbs. That won’t leave much room for passengers, hitch weight in the truck or any extra cargo in the truck. It may be doable but I’d look for something with a gross weight closer to 12000 lbs for the trailer.
Your 17% pin percentage is light based on an empty dry weight. Once you start loading up the basement adding propane, batteries, etc your pin percentage will und up 20 to 25% I think you are missing the more realistic pin weight.
Great video, I just ordered the same truck, can’t wait to get it. I have a 5th wheel Arctic wolf and the truck have plenty of towing capacity for my trailer. Check out the Arctic wolf made by forest river mine is a 3660 suite, 42’ 10,900 dry weight.
Hello, i just bought a 41ft Montana 5th wheel @ 12-15k that im picking up next month. Question, I have the same truck with 375,000 miles on it that ive had scince around 340,000. What should i be concerned about? I do have new E tires, airbags, waterpump, and tranny cooler lines but im still a new puller. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
I wonder how many of those miles were towing? As long as the maintenance has been kept up it should be fine. Maybe look at an auxiliary trans cooler to help keep the Transmission temperatures down? Best of luck!
Great video. Somewhat off-topic, I’m debating between a gasser or diesel in the custom trim. I’ve read about growing concerns about the cost to maintain diesels (oil change, filters, emission components). You appear to be well informed. What are you expecting on costs to maintain your duramax?
I’m not sure, this is my first diesel truck. I would think for the the first 100,000 miles it should just be oil changes and some filters. The longest I’ve ever kept a truck is about 2.5 years and 20,000 miles, so I probabaly won’t keep It past the warranty period. However this engine came out in 2017, so there should be some info on reliability by now
One thing that most people overlook is their license. Most class C licenses top out at a GCWR of 26K (check the back of your driver's license). Your truck has a GCWR of 27500. If you decide to pull a trailer with more than a 10k GVWR then you would be required to have a CDL. Even if it's for personal use, aka "not for hire". Not for hire, only exempts you from the DOT # requirement, but not from the GCWR requirement.
Great point !!! All these people's comments about duallys and the capacity of their truck throws them over their license requirement if they're towing a trailer over 10k on a class c license. I recently had a buddy get pulled over pulling a 36 ft 5th wheel with a dually. He had to call me and I went out and pulled his trailer home for him with my 3/4 ton chevy for this very reason
I have the 2022 Duramax HD and am currently 5th wheel shopping. I am curious to know if you have purchased yet and if so the specs on the camper and how it’s towing. Thanks! Great video!
In a word, no. First of all, ignore the pin weight and unloaded weight (UVW) numbers on the sticker. The GVWR is the only number that counts here. Your pin weight will be between 20% and 25% of your trailer's GVWR (UVW + CCC). At 20%, you are at 2906 lbs pin weight. It's worse at 25%. Just on this alone, you are over your limits. Plus, you forgot to add your hitch weight, which counts AGAINST your payload numbers; that isn't included in the truck sticker payload number. The stickers are guides with MAXIMUM limits. The 2500HD can pull a 10,000 to 11,500 lb GVWR 5th-wheel (depending on payload numbers) but you have to watch loading. You're in 1-ton dually territory with this unit. First, load your truck like you are ready to hitch up and go (you, passengers, full fuel & DEF tanks, hitch installed and ready for connecting); Second, go to a C.A.T. Scale and weigh the loaded truck; Third, subtract the scale ticket weight numbers from your GVWR. That is the ACTUAL payload that you have to work with. Fourth, go find a 5th wheel with a pin weight that fits inside that limit.
Feel free to look up the numbers. I pull a Salem hemisphere 378fl with my 2021 2500hd. The only thing I would tel you is I am debating possibly getting some sumo springs for the squat “to keep the headlights from blinding people”, but as far as the weight goes, tows and handles it like a dream
We are full time so we needed a little bigger rig lol. Also I went for the 3/4 because it would be my daily driver and from what I researched the ride quality is so much better
Your max trailer weight is 18,500, add curb weight 7890 and payload 3460 equals 29,870 pounds if you max out your trailer and payload. This would exceed your CGVW of 27,500 lbs by 2,370 pounds. So just be careful what you have loaded in the truck and trailer.
Okay, so I did some checking; you have to count the pin or tongue weight in your payload but you do not count it twice when calculating your GVWR. I apologize for the confusion.
You should use 20% not 17. You're closer to 2906 on the pin. You, wife, 4 kids and a hitch?? You're way over. My guess is by about 200lbs on payload. Now...unless you're full time, you'll probably never be at 14,500. You'll probably be ok, but you need to watch how full you pack the front of the camper. Some thibgs you'll need to stowe inside either over or behind the axles. Opinion, you need to stick with a 5th wheek bwtween 9,500 to 10,500 dry, 12.5 to 14 loaded. But...you do you
Too much hype with numbers. I would never pull something that heavy with a 2500 or non dually. I’d rather be safe than to put my family or others in jeopardy regardless what a manufacturer says you can pull
14530 x .20 is 2906 lbs. That is your pin weight. If you don't believe me. Google it.Your specs are more beefy than my 1 ton. And I have a gas engine. That's about 1000 lbs lighter than your diesel. Just because you have a diesel. Doesn't mean you can tow a house. I think you need to get more education on tow numbers. Before you spend any money. Just saying.
Ultimately it’s a numbers game… people love to live and die by these numbers(which is ok), lots of people just don’t have real world experience to fall back on, so base they’re whole narrative on that. I grew up on my family’s ranch and have pulled all kinds of loads with half tons,3/4 tons and 1 ton SW and duallys. So much depends on where and how you’re pulling… I pull a 30ft stock trailer with 18k of bulls all the time(has air bags) with my 3/4 ton ram, I use the same truck to pull a 42ft 15k 5th wheel with absolutely no issues. You got plenty of truck to pull that 5th wheel bud!
Thanks for sharing your experience!
Great video sir! I think all truck salespeople should watch this; most have no clue about HD truck towing.
Thanks for your positive comment. So do you think I am interpreting these numbers correctly?
I have a very similar truck as you but higher trim and consequently about 300+ lbs less payload. The heaviest load I’ve towed with it is 10k lbs on the bumper, which was effortless. As others have mentioned, all loads and weight are not created equal and RVs are wind sails especially at highway 70mph+ speeds. I also have a 6500 lb travel trailer and again effortless, but the wind sail affect is more noticeable than my 10k loaded flatbed trailer (loaded with my tractor, FEL, bucket, box blade). And now I’m in your position of considering the towing affect of pulling a 5’er and have never towed anything other than bumpers toys. A book could be compiled regarding this subject and it probably should. I’ve done a lot of research and I think this camper would be absolutely acceptable for your truck. However, you need to consider more variables in your evaluation… lots of rules of thumbs are good start, but consider the overall length, height, and load distribution (slide out and storage location dynamics) in your windsail effect calc. I’m personally going to stay under 17k trailer gvwr, 13400k uvw and 42’ length
Thanks for sharing your insights, you make a lot of good points!!
Add some helper springs or timbrens.. and it will help a lot .. 2500 to 3500 difference is minimal on a diesel other than the 3500 has stock helper springs ..
Good tip!
@@Myksgarage I also added sumo springs on my 36 foot camper which helped the roll feeling you get.. like others said wind is your enemy when towing....
I would go with larger truck. Pushing the numbers to close can cause failures or stability issues on a long trailer at max pin weight. Go for safety every time. Your family deserves that.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts
If his estimated number was correct then he wasn’t at “max pin weight.” The thing that makes it a gamble is that in reality, all bets are off until you buy the trailer, load it up and then take the whole rig to a CAT scale and have it weighed. Then if your estimated numbers were off and you already bought the trailer you’re in a bit of a pickle.
I tow a 30’ bumper pull toy hauler with a rzr inside and I can tell you it’s not the weight it’s the wind when it pulls you to the side
Thanks for sharing your experience
Hi there, I currently own a 41 foot 5th wheel, with a GVWR of 15,000lbs and I can honestly tell you, with something that large... you should strongly consider a dually 1 ton. I drive a 2019 RAM 3500 Dually with a Cummins. We live in Atlantic Canada, and can get some pretty strong winds at times, and since you are responsible for your entire family, safety to me is everything! The numbers are only half the story when hauling large campers... they catch a lot of air! I would also be weary of your cargo capacity calculations. If you watch Big Truck, Big RV RUclips Channel, he has a scale he uses to measure pin weights... and on average, a good number to use is 20% of the Gross Weight of the camper. In your case that would be 2,906lbs. A good 5th wheel hitch will run around 200lbs, so your cargo is already at closer to 3100lbs. Now you are down to 360lbs remaining... and you and your wife would probably eat up the best part of that 300lbs (I'm just guessing here) so if your 4 children are under 60lbs total, then you would be ok, if you didn't buy a cup of coffee for your journey. My 1 ton has 5400lbs cargo capacity, and my camper runs right at around 3000lbs of pin weight when we are loaded light, and I feel safe and confident while driving. You also need to think about insurance. Should an accident happen, and serious injuries were had, the insurance company will try every avenue possible to void the insurance. If they can prove any way possible, that you were over weight, they can void your insurance... so keep that in mind as well.
Thanks for the comment, good to hear from someone with real world experience, you make some good points!
We pull a 42 foot long 19000 gvwr with a gas f250
Danny, I think you are 100% correct. All my 5th wheels were 20-22% of trailer weight on the pin. The RV mentioned in the video, will almost certainly over on rear axle weight. The rear tires will be at max if not overloaded, let alone the axle. Dually suck around town, but they are the solution for heavy 5th wheels such as this. I don't know about GM, but Ford deducts 2% tow rating for every thousand feet of elevation. Gas rigs have higher payload ratings due to the lighter gas engine.
5th wheel is 20% at least so right off the top with the 14,530lbs and with 20% is 2906lbs, it's doable but you have to watch your weight.
Thanks for watching
Great video! I highly recommend finding the total weight of people, fuel, hitch, and things (tools, cooler, etc) before you decide the truck can handle the payload. Especially with a standard bed truck. I was shocked to find that the recommended slider hitches weigh between 200-300lbs. There goes a big chunk of payload! Add a full tank of Diesel and there goes another appropriate 240lbs. I have the LTZ version of your truck, with a payload of 3067lbs, and I have a 5th wheel with similar numbers. Even though the truck can totally handle the pin weight and towing weight, the 2500lb pin weight gives me only 500lbs left for hitch, passenges, fuel, equipment...and I am shocked to find out with my 350lbs of passengers, a 250lb hitch, 240lbs of Diesel...I'm over payload. So now I'm looking for ways to drop weight from my truck! I wish I had known before I bought my truck!
Now I'm sitting here thinking, if I move the spare to the rv while towing, only fill my tank half full, remove the running boards, take out the back seat...maybe I will be within payload? I need a new truck and I have only had this one 3 weeks 😫 in conclusion, make sure you know how much weight (other than your pin weight) your truck will need to carry. Good luck to you!
Thats good information, thanks for sharing!
payload is calculated assuming a full gas tank, not an empty one.
Make sure that you add your payload + curb weight + fully loaded trailer weight together to ensure that you are below your CGVW.
Good tip, thanks for sharing
Great video, alot of people overlook "towing math", and payload. It can be confusing especially when you factor in how you camp. In my case family with young kids, all the gear like bikes, grills water activities ect. The weight adds up quickly. I bought my tt to allow extra room for payload and hitch weight to be on the safe side. Having said that it pulls fine, but I could always use a bigger truck. 🙂
Thanks for sharing your experience, what truck are you using?
@@Myksgarage ecoboost f150 with max tow. It does the job, but looking to upgrade to the truck you have in the gas version. That way I have room to grow as the family does. 👍
Nice! My last 3 trucks have been F150 Ecoboosts. They are good trucks, these HD trucks are definitely made for towing!!
Yeah the Gas version of this truck is great, and it saves $9,000 from getting the Diesel.
@chrispenuel6538 probably too late. But I hope you didn't buy the gas 2500. I made that mistake, hauled my 11k camper twice took it back after 30 days and traded for 2500 diesel. The gas got 8.3 when towing, my diesel gets 11.5 and is way more stable. It not only the diesel. The Allison 10 speed transmission makes it effortless for the engine
Remember you still have to add around 200 pounds for the 5th wheel hitch. And anything else put into the bed.
Yes, good tip!
The trailer is likely a little too big. I would want something a bit smaller and lighter for my F350 3638 lb payload. Always use the max trailer weight which in this case is 14500 lbs x 20% for an approximate pin wt of 2900 lbs. That won’t leave much room for passengers, hitch weight in the truck or any extra cargo in the truck. It may be doable but I’d look for something with a gross weight closer to 12000 lbs for the trailer.
Your 17% pin percentage is light based on an empty dry weight. Once you start loading up the basement adding propane, batteries, etc your pin percentage will und up 20 to 25% I think you are missing the more realistic pin weight.
Good points to consider, Thanks for sharing your expertise!
Great video, I just ordered the same truck, can’t wait to get it. I have a 5th wheel Arctic wolf and the truck have plenty of towing capacity for my trailer. Check out the Arctic wolf made by forest river mine is a 3660 suite, 42’ 10,900 dry weight.
I’ve looked at that trailer, that’s a nice floor plan! Thanks for watching!
Hello, i just bought a 41ft Montana 5th wheel @ 12-15k that im picking up next month. Question, I have the same truck with 375,000 miles on it that ive had scince around 340,000. What should i be concerned about? I do have new E tires, airbags, waterpump, and tranny cooler lines but im still a new puller. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
I wonder how many of those miles were towing? As long as the maintenance has been kept up it should be fine. Maybe look at an auxiliary trans cooler to help keep the Transmission temperatures down? Best of luck!
Great video. Somewhat off-topic, I’m debating between a gasser or diesel in the custom trim. I’ve read about growing concerns about the cost to maintain diesels (oil change, filters, emission components). You appear to be well informed. What are you expecting on costs to maintain your duramax?
I’m not sure, this is my first diesel truck. I would think for the the first 100,000 miles it should just be oil changes and some filters. The longest I’ve ever kept a truck is about 2.5 years and 20,000 miles, so I probabaly won’t keep It past the warranty period. However this engine came out in 2017, so there should be some info on reliability by now
One thing that most people overlook is their license. Most class C licenses top out at a GCWR of 26K (check the back of your driver's license). Your truck has a GCWR of 27500. If you decide to pull a trailer with more than a 10k GVWR then you would be required to have a CDL. Even if it's for personal use, aka "not for hire". Not for hire, only exempts you from the DOT # requirement, but not from the GCWR requirement.
That's good information, thanks
Great point !!! All these people's comments about duallys and the capacity of their truck throws them over their license requirement if they're towing a trailer over 10k on a class c license. I recently had a buddy get pulled over pulling a 36 ft 5th wheel with a dually. He had to call me and I went out and pulled his trailer home for him with my 3/4 ton chevy for this very reason
I have the 2022 Duramax HD and am currently 5th wheel shopping. I am curious to know if you have purchased yet and if so the specs on the camper and how it’s towing. Thanks! Great video!
I ended up selling the truck and we purchased a motorhome instead. Good luck in your search!
In a word, no. First of all, ignore the pin weight and unloaded weight (UVW) numbers on the sticker. The GVWR is the only number that counts here. Your pin weight will be between 20% and 25% of your trailer's GVWR (UVW + CCC). At 20%, you are at 2906 lbs pin weight. It's worse at 25%. Just on this alone, you are over your limits. Plus, you forgot to add your hitch weight, which counts AGAINST your payload numbers; that isn't included in the truck sticker payload number. The stickers are guides with MAXIMUM limits. The 2500HD can pull a 10,000 to 11,500 lb GVWR 5th-wheel (depending on payload numbers) but you have to watch loading. You're in 1-ton dually territory with this unit.
First, load your truck like you are ready to hitch up and go (you, passengers, full fuel & DEF tanks, hitch installed and ready for connecting);
Second, go to a C.A.T. Scale and weigh the loaded truck;
Third, subtract the scale ticket weight numbers from your GVWR. That is the ACTUAL payload that you have to work with.
Fourth, go find a 5th wheel with a pin weight that fits inside that limit.
Good tips!
An excellent plan to follow Robert.
Feel free to look up the numbers. I pull a Salem hemisphere 378fl with my 2021 2500hd. The only thing I would tel you is I am debating possibly getting some sumo springs for the squat “to keep the headlights from blinding people”, but as far as the weight goes, tows and handles it like a dream
Nice! That’s a big heavy 5th wheel! These new 2500hd trucks have impressive towing numbers. Thanks for the suggestion about the sumo springs!
We are full time so we needed a little bigger rig lol. Also I went for the 3/4 because it would be my daily driver and from what I researched the ride quality is so much better
Good point! Safe travels!
@Bobby Holland diesel you should be fine just watch your pin weight and also watch the options you put in your truck. More options means less payload
Question??? Can you tow a recreational trailer / fifth wheel over 10 k pounds with a class c license in California? and how long can the trailer be ?
Not sure what the CA laws are
Better take it to a cat scale bet its over wieght check axel to
Good suggestion!
Pin weight is around 20 to 23% of loaded weight.
Is that always the case?
Your max trailer weight is 18,500, add curb weight 7890 and payload 3460 equals 29,870 pounds if you max out your trailer and payload. This would exceed your CGVW of 27,500 lbs by 2,370 pounds. So just be careful what you have loaded in the truck and trailer.
Actually if you are counting the pin weight in the payload number are you counting it twice by counting it it the max trailer weight?
Thanks for clarifying
Okay, so I did some checking; you have to count the pin or tongue weight in your payload but you do not count it twice when calculating your GVWR. I apologize for the confusion.
You need Hi country the most heaviest and double the weight
Yeah those are sweet!
High Country has nice features, but will have lower capacities for towing due to the higher trim level accessories that impact payload.
I'd be more worried about stopping than pulling
Luckily the trailer has its own breaking system
You should use 20% not 17. You're closer to 2906 on the pin. You, wife, 4 kids and a hitch?? You're way over. My guess is by about 200lbs on payload.
Now...unless you're full time, you'll probably never be at 14,500. You'll probably be ok, but you need to watch how full you pack the front of the camper. Some thibgs you'll need to stowe inside either over or behind the axles.
Opinion, you need to stick with a 5th wheek bwtween 9,500 to 10,500 dry, 12.5 to 14 loaded. But...you do you
Good information, thanks
Too much hype with numbers. I would never pull something that heavy with a 2500 or non dually. I’d rather be safe than to put my family or others in jeopardy regardless what a manufacturer says you can pull
Well towing is all a numbers game, if your within the spec then it should be fine right?
So never pull something that heavy? Even though he’s under the manufacturer’s written maximum ratings? Why??
14530 x .20 is 2906 lbs. That is your pin weight. If you don't believe me. Google it.Your specs are more beefy than my 1 ton. And I have a gas engine. That's about 1000 lbs lighter than your diesel. Just because you have a diesel. Doesn't mean you can tow a house. I think you need to get more education on tow numbers. Before you spend any money. Just saying.
Okay
Get a 3500. Seriously. Get a 3500.
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