That's incredible. I really hope this means the replacement batteries although the same are being built to a higher standard of quality. My 2022 Rubicon never ever got close to that figure. Brand new bone stock I managed 25 miles, 23k miles later, a 2" lift plus 35" tires later I can push 20 miles at best.
Range test is really interesting! I get that you're not really going over 50mph or so, are you taking it easy on the acceleration/deceleration? Seems like it might be a great zombie apocalypse vehicle, assuming that the zombies can't break in. Do you think you could do a video that covers the range estimate if you're hitting/running over zombies but having a few of them survive to hold on to the underside or exterior? I figure a 1 in 3 chance that a zombie (average desiccated weight of an American zombie being 163.4 pounds) will survive to hold on to the exterior and the ability for no more than 5 zombies at a time being able to hold on to the Jeep.... that's what I've seen in most movies at least. I'm curious if the weight of the 5 zombies will be a factor. I'd guess you'd only need to drive 20mph or so in order to out run all other chasing zombies, so maybe start with the base 20mph range test, then add on the weight factor (and aerodynamic/physical ((from zombies under the vehicle))) drag reductions on range to come up with an estimate? Could be a fun Halloween video. Cheers from a 4xe fan!
I sincerely hope that in the future we're able to put super efficient cells in our Jeeps and get double the range. I think that 40 miles of all electric would be so fantastic (and would likely charge faster too). Thanks for all the detailed content and experiments!
I have a 2024 4xe and if I baby it to work and back with infotainment and no climate control and I get ~77.5 mpge. I do take it very easy but I also go up a steep incline. While I also go back down and get the Regen, it's never really break even
That mpg is impressive. I've been hovering around 38 mpg, which I like, but yours is really good. I have a 2023 and when if first charged it would usually be 25 or 26 miles, but now almost always 22 at 100%. Thanks.
Congratulations...just over 31 miles. Thats great. Not really that surprised considering its a brand new battery. Yea..check it again in 5,000 miles. Way to go!!!😊
Did Jeep replace it due to you being under warranty or did you have to pay out of pocket? Wondering what the cost will be out of pocket; my 2023 still gets about 23-24 miles per charge, but I am wondering when I should replace.
should absolutely be covered under warranty(still awaiting delivery of my new HV battery, 40 days and counting) but have been told by my service person that its a 28K part
@@brianmichaels8645Manufacturers always seems to put a crazy price on their batteries when they are new. I don’t quite understand the reasoning. But given the price per kWh of batteries these day, I don’t think that’s the price we would pay of an out of warranty replacement is ever needed. Even on the high side, a 17.5kwh battery should be under $4000. But if it was priced closer to average prices, it should cost around $2100. That’s not including labor, of course.
jealous of your results although mine isnt very far off that to be honest.. my current battery is doing ok, could be better, but I dont want to risk a dealership messing it up. heard to many horror stories at this point of them ruining jeeps or holding onto them for months at a time. this thing is my daily driver, cant afford to have that issue.
@@jamiecraswell9368 I’ve had zero issues with the engine. It’s really peppy. It’s sounds weird during the initial start up because they have it programmed for a higher than normal RPM.
Wow that it amazing! My 21 Rubicon on 35s & small lift gets no where near that. Jscan says around 90% battery. It just past the recall test so no new battery for me. I have a feeling that us 21s will get our battery replaced one way or another because they just wont make it until the warranty time is up. We'll see tho!
@@malifestro3319 These batteries are supposed to last the life time of the vehicle. I’m hoping this trend we are seeing in battery replacement is a small one. But if you are at 90% already, I have to wonder if yours won’t start declining.
I have a 2024 and on the freeway I can get about 27 or 28 all electric miles each day for my commute to work. It’s really strange that they keep the advertised number so low
@CIAG4PNP '23 Sahara, mainly top off with tube doors May-Oct. Still seeing 26+ miles of range. First summer was 27-29 miles, but this summer has been consistently hotter. We put the top back on when high-90s were forecasted. Or monsoon rains.
@@Wrangler4XEFans will be interesting how the new battery reacts for range in the winter time. Should run the same route again but with the AC on to see how it would be normally to drive for most in 80 degree weather. Or with the windows down. Then compare the ranges. My guess is that it will be closer to the 24.
I really think extreme environmental factors play a role in HV battery degradation, as well as instances of FORM. '23 Sahara still seeing 26+ miles of electric range (actual). No FORM issues. Need to check my HV SOH. We live at higher elevation in AZ (6500') -- a few 90 degree days in the summer, 40s in the winter. Garaged. Topless & tube doors, for the most part, May-Oct. Minimal HVAC. Electric range down in the winter; HVAC & heated seat usage. Defrost recall completed 4/24. New 12V battery at 5000 miles +/- (mid '23). Problem free since. 🤞
@@jonsorensen1904 There are also factors that we have zero control over. I’ve been reading a lot about cell balancing today. That’s one personal theory why I’m seeing such a huge difference in this new battery compared to when my other battery was new.
@@Wrangler4XEFans I have a 'cell balancing' feature on AlfaOBD software... but I am afraid to do it without more info. Like somebody else trying it first... Not sure if it is available in JScan.
@Wrangler4XEFans you would hope cell load balance was considered -- or possibly part of one of the recall software updates, if not originally equipped. That is why I went with an Autel Level II charger. It features 'load balancing' across both legs of the current. Also use an Autotransformer / surge protector with load balancing for the travel trailer, with a pure sine wave inverter. I saw way too many strange electrical and buss communication issues flying around 30-40-year-old, extensively upgraded and modified helicopters over 20+ years. With analog and digital trying to cross-communicate between three different navigation systems; inertial, doppler and GPS. I do believe HV battery technology will be much more efficient, much lighter, and cheaper before our warranties expire. Maybe some consumer 'drop-ins' from Quadratec or Extreme Terrain for the Wrangler 4xe. 🤞
That is great! It would good if some of the companies that produce Prius replacement batteries, such as Green Been or Greentek offered aftermarket replacement batteries for the 4xe. It would definitely provide a lower cost alternative for non-warranty replacements.
@@Wrangler4XEFans That is good news!!! Still, having more options is always good. When I bought my Prius back in 2010, the cost to replace the hybrid battery was crazy high, but now, with multiple suppliers, the cost has dropped to $2500 to $3000. Luckily, I have never had to replace it after 14 years ... knock on wood!!). I am hoping the 4xe vehicles have a similar future, where in time, you can replace your battery (assuming it is out of warranty) for a similar amount, plus the replacements can out perform the stock battery offerings. I believe the basic building blocks (battery cells) are not unique, only the configuration used sets the voltage and current capacity.
@@KreeH2023 I think you are right on. I have a feeling this battery will get down to where it won’t be that bad to replace or to service. There’s a place not far from where I live that services batteries in Insights and Prius’s. I would think they will be able to add more hybrid vehicles to their service.
That's incredible. I really hope this means the replacement batteries although the same are being built to a higher standard of quality. My 2022 Rubicon never ever got close to that figure. Brand new bone stock I managed 25 miles, 23k miles later, a 2" lift plus 35" tires later I can push 20 miles at best.
Range test is really interesting! I get that you're not really going over 50mph or so, are you taking it easy on the acceleration/deceleration? Seems like it might be a great zombie apocalypse vehicle, assuming that the zombies can't break in. Do you think you could do a video that covers the range estimate if you're hitting/running over zombies but having a few of them survive to hold on to the underside or exterior? I figure a 1 in 3 chance that a zombie (average desiccated weight of an American zombie being 163.4 pounds) will survive to hold on to the exterior and the ability for no more than 5 zombies at a time being able to hold on to the Jeep.... that's what I've seen in most movies at least. I'm curious if the weight of the 5 zombies will be a factor. I'd guess you'd only need to drive 20mph or so in order to out run all other chasing zombies, so maybe start with the base 20mph range test, then add on the weight factor (and aerodynamic/physical ((from zombies under the vehicle))) drag reductions on range to come up with an estimate? Could be a fun Halloween video. Cheers from a 4xe fan!
I sincerely hope that in the future we're able to put super efficient cells in our Jeeps and get double the range. I think that 40 miles of all electric would be so fantastic (and would likely charge faster too). Thanks for all the detailed content and experiments!
I have a 2024 4xe and if I baby it to work and back with infotainment and no climate control and I get ~77.5 mpge. I do take it very easy but I also go up a steep incline. While I also go back down and get the Regen, it's never really break even
Damn bro, you puttin MILES on that thing. I'm just approaching 30K on my 21.
@@MJXtube I had a couple super busy years. I did a lot of running that I’m not doing anymore.
So, that is fantastic. What was the reason for the battery replacement?
@@alanhorn6493 Battery degradation, irregular voltage across the cells and a P0BBD code.
Did they do anything with your battery warranty on this replacement? Did they renew it by chance?
@@dbldare Still have the 10 year/100,000 mile. The new one comes with a two year but the regular warranty supersedes it.
Awesome. That you for the reply.
Don’t think I have ever got more than 24 - rubicon…
Now I have 37s so no chance at that even…
That mpg is impressive. I've been hovering around 38 mpg, which I like, but yours is really good. I have a 2023 and when if first charged it would usually be 25 or 26 miles, but now almost always 22 at 100%. Thanks.
Congratulations...just over 31 miles. Thats great. Not really that surprised considering its a brand new battery. Yea..check it again in 5,000 miles. Way to go!!!😊
@@wwayland4186 I could never get that kind of range on my original battery.
I would love to get 30 miles for my electric charge range. I’m getting 19-20 on a bone stock rubicon.
I’m getting 15 😔
Did Jeep replace it due to you being under warranty or did you have to pay out of pocket? Wondering what the cost will be out of pocket; my 2023 still gets about 23-24 miles per charge, but I am wondering when I should replace.
@@souljaboi62121 Covered under warranty.
Technically, these batteries are supposed to hold up for the life of the vehicle.
@@Wrangler4XEFans awesome; thanks 🫡
should absolutely be covered under warranty(still awaiting delivery of my new HV battery, 40 days and counting) but have been told by my service person that its a 28K part
@@brianmichaels8645Manufacturers always seems to put a crazy price on their batteries when they are new. I don’t quite understand the reasoning. But given the price per kWh of batteries these day, I don’t think that’s the price we would pay of an out of warranty replacement is ever needed. Even on the high side, a 17.5kwh battery should be under $4000. But if it was priced closer to average prices, it should cost around $2100. That’s not including labor, of course.
jealous of your results although mine isnt very far off that to be honest.. my current battery is doing ok, could be better, but I dont want to risk a dealership messing it up. heard to many horror stories at this point of them ruining jeeps or holding onto them for months at a time. this thing is my daily driver, cant afford to have that issue.
I’m just wondering how you like the 2.0 turbo engine and have you had any issues with it
@@jamiecraswell9368 I’ve had zero issues with the engine. It’s really peppy. It’s sounds weird during the initial start up because they have it programmed for a higher than normal RPM.
Wow that it amazing! My 21 Rubicon on 35s & small lift gets no where near that. Jscan says around 90% battery. It just past the recall test so no new battery for me. I have a feeling that us 21s will get our battery replaced one way or another because they just wont make it until the warranty time is up. We'll see tho!
@@malifestro3319 These batteries are supposed to last the life time of the vehicle. I’m hoping this trend we are seeing in battery replacement is a small one. But if you are at 90% already, I have to wonder if yours won’t start declining.
I have a 2024 and on the freeway I can get about 27 or 28 all electric miles each day for my commute to work. It’s really strange that they keep the advertised number so low
@@WhenGamesWereGood That was the result of the EPA test.
Can't wait to see the advancement in battery in the next 10 years. That battery degradation still a bummer and hopefully get a fix over time.
@@patthe I’m glad mine got replaced after all of the updates. I’m hoping the updates included better cell balance software.
Really 30 miles is nothing gone in 20 minutes of driving
@@freedomaipros Makes a huge difference in daily driving for a PHEV.
Please do a test with the hardtop removed and tube doors on. It would be nice to know how that will affect miles. Thank you for sharing your tests!
@CIAG4PNP '23 Sahara, mainly top off with tube doors May-Oct. Still seeing 26+ miles of range. First summer was 27-29 miles, but this summer has been consistently hotter. We put the top back on when high-90s were forecasted. Or monsoon rains.
Hey Chris thanks for the test. What mode was it in? Hybrid or electric only and did you have max regen on for this test?
@@Eric-qq7zw It was in electric mode. I had max regen turned on but I don’t think it would change the results either way.
@@Wrangler4XEFans will be interesting how the new battery reacts for range in the winter time.
Should run the same route again but with the AC on to see how it would be normally to drive for most in 80 degree weather. Or with the windows down. Then compare the ranges. My guess is that it will be closer to the 24.
I really think extreme environmental factors play a role in HV battery degradation, as well as instances of FORM.
'23 Sahara still seeing 26+ miles of electric range (actual). No FORM issues. Need to check my HV SOH.
We live at higher elevation in AZ (6500') -- a few 90 degree days in the summer, 40s in the winter. Garaged.
Topless & tube doors, for the most part, May-Oct. Minimal HVAC. Electric range down in the winter; HVAC & heated seat usage.
Defrost recall completed 4/24. New 12V battery at 5000 miles +/- (mid '23). Problem free since. 🤞
@@jonsorensen1904 There are also factors that we have zero control over. I’ve been reading a lot about cell balancing today. That’s one personal theory why I’m seeing such a huge difference in this new battery compared to when my other battery was new.
@@Wrangler4XEFans I have a 'cell balancing' feature on AlfaOBD software... but I am afraid to do it without more info. Like somebody else trying it first...
Not sure if it is available in JScan.
@@jonsorensen1904 I would think there would be an active process going on in the software to do that. Maybe I’m wrong.
@Wrangler4XEFans you would hope cell load balance was considered -- or possibly part of one of the recall software updates, if not originally equipped.
That is why I went with an Autel Level II charger. It features 'load balancing' across both legs of the current. Also use an Autotransformer / surge protector with load balancing for the travel trailer, with a pure sine wave inverter.
I saw way too many strange electrical and buss communication issues flying around 30-40-year-old, extensively upgraded and modified helicopters over 20+ years. With analog and digital trying to cross-communicate between three different navigation systems; inertial, doppler and GPS.
I do believe HV battery technology will be much more efficient, much lighter, and cheaper before our warranties expire.
Maybe some consumer 'drop-ins' from Quadratec or Extreme Terrain for the Wrangler 4xe.
🤞
That is great! It would good if some of the companies that produce Prius replacement batteries, such as Green Been or Greentek offered aftermarket replacement batteries for the 4xe. It would definitely provide a lower cost alternative for non-warranty replacements.
@@KreeH2023 From what I’ve heard, Samsung/Stellantis are working on some sort of domestic manufacturing partnership.
@@Wrangler4XEFans That is good news!!! Still, having more options is always good. When I bought my Prius back in 2010, the cost to replace the hybrid battery was crazy high, but now, with multiple suppliers, the cost has dropped to $2500 to $3000. Luckily, I have never had to replace it after 14 years ... knock on wood!!). I am hoping the 4xe vehicles have a similar future, where in time, you can replace your battery (assuming it is out of warranty) for a similar amount, plus the replacements can out perform the stock battery offerings. I believe the basic building blocks (battery cells) are not unique, only the configuration used sets the voltage and current capacity.
@@KreeH2023 I think you are right on. I have a feeling this battery will get down to where it won’t be that bad to replace or to service. There’s a place not far from where I live that services batteries in Insights and Prius’s. I would think they will be able to add more hybrid vehicles to their service.
Whoa
Mine says 26 on 37s
@@chrispomplun1511 Do you get 26?
@@Wrangler4XEFans not sure