Joel Confesses The Truth To Ellie After Lying For Years - The Last of Us 2 (LOU2)
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- Ellie Confront Joel and ask him about what happened at the hospital and why she didnt see any other immune human after all these years. Joel, confesses to her and reveal the truth about what he did back at the hospital.
I have included both scenes in this video when she asks him about the truth before and after finding the recording tape.
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This was his chance to say “I already lost one daughter...I couldn’t lose another”
And then she be like “You just did”
@@TheHonoredOneAKA yes that would be awesome
Yeah, it's just sad that neither of them has said "Daughter" or "Dad" to each other.
@@cyav.e3234lost opportunity to make people cry
I didn't expect to hear something like this from Joel. They're both people who think stuff like that but never say it. You know.. like the majority of us.
ellie had *EVERY* right to be mad at joel. and joel had *EVERY* right to save ellie.
Man, tell me, why is she mad? i can not get it. She wanted to be dead or something? Or is it becase of lies? Why Joel didnt told her this shit right away? I just cant understand
@@ShadowOfTheKolkhoznik so many people she cared about died because of the world they lived in, she most likely has survivors guilt, and if there was a chance that her being immune could fix the world, she would take it. her life would have mattered
@@starlightskyes2 who died before part 2?
@@ShadowOfTheKolkhoznik riley, tess, and sam and his brother
@@starlightskyes2 ok, fair, thx
So, their relationship was broken for three years and the moment Ellie wanted to try to forgive him, Joel got killed.
The feels man :(
@Jojo Momo honestly yeah she the one that treated him like a piece of crap to forgive Abby in a way she had it coming
it actually was 2 years ahead was 17 when she found out and 19 when she decided to do things with him
Yea that's sad as fuck
I mean Joel deserve what he did to the fireflies and destroyed chance of man kind but not only he killed the fire flies he also doomed fucking humanity
@@xXSonTJXxx bruh, ABBY father was npc without backstory. Somehow become plot for tlou2 end of story...
In Joel’s defense, they knocked him out, put Ellie under without him able to say goodbye and didn’t even give her a chance to agree to it. They went about it all wrong and they got what they deserved. They showed how selfish and desperate humanity is and they got what they deserved for it.
Finally someone making sense. Its insane how many comments are blaming Joel for "taking away Ellie's choice", as if she ever had a choice in the first place.
The reality is Ellie never had a choice because the fireflies were going to kill her while she was unconscious after trying to throw Joel out on the threat of killing him if he tried to intervene. And it's absurd and shitty of the game to make Joel just not bring any of this context up at all as he stands there and takes a verbal lashing
@@dragonpaulz_ but ellie KNEW there was a chance she'd die and she was willing to make that sacrifice. the entire ending of the first game is seeing her heartache believing that she could have saved people but that choice was taken away from her. because it's not about joel's choice or his feelings.
@@rightwhereyouwannab3 so you do realize that the fireflies are the ones that took away their choices right? joel made the only reasonable morally correct choice in the moment considering the fireflies were going to murder her in her sleep. and then joel decides to not bring up the context of the entire situation because ellie never thought that dying was even part of the equation when agreeing to go be studied by the fireflies
@@dragonpaulz_ i disagree that Ellie didn't consider the possibility of dying. She knew and felt that her life was so much more valuable than not at least attempting to grant a cure/vaccine for people. At the very end of the first game she mentions everyone who's died while she has lived. And in the second game we explore her guilt and anger even more of her living with the choice that was made for her and feeling like she could have sacrificed herself to make her life mean something. It is not until the end of the second game that she comes to terms with her life having still meant something to Joel and forgiving him for that choice he made for her. It doesn't lessen the anger she rightfully feels through the second game
Joel saw Ellie as a daughter and loves her like one, as someone who has a kid myself, I wouldn’t of hesitated to do what Joel did.
This is why Ellie felt so bad after Joel died. He saved her life by pulling her from the hospital, and that's what ended up getting him killed in the end. She has a guilty conscious because she never got to forgive Joel, and let her know she does love him like a father.
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I like that, but I don´t think neil drunkman was so profound. He just wanted lesbians and woke agenda in this game. The doctor was black, they change it to white, the first game is the best ever. But the second is an insult to the fans.
@@Srobvio85 The doctor was always white, you idiot. I mean, they even used the same Caucasian voice actor 🤦♂️
@@SPM0717 he was black
dude finish the game
joel's sad face actually make me sad . he's a broken man . he just wanted to have a daughter to care about
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At the cost of many more daughters, society, the human race and maybe the whole freaking planet.
@@1fishmob yes that is exactly the reason for the retribution that joel brought upon himself
iamsyckyyy 😭😭
@@1fishmob Vaccines and cures are two different things, even if they had the means to create a vaccine they definetly wouldnt have had the supplies to distribute it to everyone left alive, and even if they did its not like it would fix that much. All of the infected (Clickers, Bloater, Etc.) are still out there and the world is still fucked. Literally the only thing that wouldve changed is that you wouldnt turn if bit if youre lucky enough to get the vaccine
I like that they never actually said to each other "I love you", "father", "daughter" or something like that. We all know what they felt about each other and it's needless to say. He kept humanity in ruins rather than giving up his baby girl; and she went on a tireless killing spree to avenge her old man's death. It's pretty damn obvious that they loved each other.
I just finished Part II. In a way, that's realistic, because of their personalities and how the conversations could be awkward. But it also makes it sad af. No real opening up to each other and then boom Joel is just gone. What's most disappointing is that even with all the flaws, a simple reordering of the storytelling would've made Part II 10 times better.
@@SharkWithFreakinLaserBeam not really, the story would still be shit since it requires two things, braindead characters and considering the fireflies to be saintly and competent.
The fireflies are far from saintly and are pretty much incompetent idealists.
Humanity didn't need Joel to be in ruins. They were already on the brink of destroying the world anyway. Joel saved the planet. I'd go as far as to consider the mutation of the cordyceps as some kind of immune reaction from planet Earth against us.
Even if a vaccine was to be found, do you think there would be peace ? Freedom ? Democracy ? No. The world would still be left lawless, with hungry leaders wanting to dominate at all costs, and enslave everyone.
Exactly! Some things are more worthy when they keep unsaid
Humanity would’ve stayed in ruins wether they made a cure or not. Cities and towns are in ruins and certain places are being controlled by the military or paramilitaries or cults. Also a lot of cities are full of infecteds and bandits and murderers. Plus I doubt the fireflies would even willingly give the cure out to everyone for free. They’d probably use the cure to gain more power and control
7:11 The way Joel shakes his head, I've seen that many times before. Someone who doesn't want to accept the inevitable because it hurts. He knows if he tells her, he'll lose her either way.
I unfortunately know how it feels cause I've done it. So I know exactly how Joel feels here. This part hurt to watch, the shame on his face is palpable
he lost her the second that he lied ... or better yet he lost her the second he made the decision to go against her wishes and "saved" her back in the first game
@@euclidesoliveira3034 I disagree, so very much, you DARE to undermine the fact that he saved her in a sarcastic way.
@@Unknown-jk7rs facts don’t care about opinions
@@euclidesoliveira3034 "facts" they say (you asked for it,now let's stop.) there was not supposed to be a right choise, hell Joel deserved that torture and death but Abby's a hypocrite
Part 3 will be about Ellie finding and using the time stone, going back in time and stopping that golf club.
Hopefully, it'll just be her waking up after a 2 month coma and going on a search for Joel who has left Jackson because of his guilt and gone back to Texas. Ellie then goes on a hunt to search for Joel. The day before Joel's death in the Last of Us 2 or Ellie's dreams in this case would have been when Ellie tried to forgive him. So, the next day they're out and Ellie falls and hits the back of her head. Joel finds out she's gonna live and that she has a coma and that's when he goes to Texas. This would be a good Part 3 imo.
There you go. I can now officially replace Neil Cuckman.
I fkn hope so
Part 3 after 7 year
And changing the way she treated Joel
I also have a storyline for last of us 3.
elley got a letter when she reads that letter she found that Joel has writtern this letter for Elley to tell Elley Joel is alive Elley will get a shock that Joel is alive and the story can be like this to save Joel
It’s sweet to know that Ellie’s life meant more to Joel than the whole world
Literallu
😢 😭
He did the right thing, man couldn’t lose more then he already had
@@jasminedragon3315 right??? Some people just cant understand that
why would the the world matter if the person he loves isn't living in it?
Ellie talked to Joel and talked about forgiving him the night before he died. Him knowing that Ellie still cared for him and wanted to forgive him before he died gives me a little bit of peace.
Joel deserved justice for all the sins, pain and destruction he committed, but since this is The Last of Us and there is no Court of Law in this society, death was the only justice.
“I’d like that” 🥹❤️🩹
Why does he die? 😪
@@Opo-D The surgeon from the first game that he kills to save her, was the father of the protagonist second girl "abby" in this game, she hunts him down and kills him, then ellie hunts her down in revenge, they sorta both get screwed hard but eventually go their separate ways having killed and lost, they both at one point spare each others lives so its interesting.
same
I'll never get enough of Naughty Dogs incredible cutscenes and facial animations. It's a joy to watch, better cinematography than most movies I've seen in recent years.
I've just noticed the tears streaming down Ellie's face and hitting her coat. Such amazing details, I don't see it in any other game!
You’re not looking for the right films then… but Naughty Dog is also incredible.
Shame about the horses though
I guess that’s why Druckmann is nailing the show!
Yep, HBO did Naughty a dis-service in the show. The game is far superior.
Joel’s only weakness was becoming an NPC
yeah :(
What does NPC stands for?
Sam Tyson non playable character
damn
@GrayHaart For the 0,1% of the game.
I'm amazed how Joel has managed to keep this lie for years after the first game.
He really had to lie pretty well and come up with convincing answers. Ellie isn't stupid she knew that he was hiding something i'm shocked that he was able to keep it a secret for so long tbh i expected him to break as soon as she started to doubt what he said.
@@Isus24-s8e same. I always assumed she knew right from that moment she said "okay" at the end of the game.
Troy Baker knows how to lie
At the very end of the game you can kinda see that ellie doesnt fully believe joel but chooses to anyway. And by only letting tommy know was a great way to keep the secret. It must have been so tough for joel to live with that and ellie finding out how she did. I get her anger and hurt but joel chose her over civilization. Thats a lot to burden.
@@Isus24-s8e You may want to say that .. to some extends Ellie did not want to know too. She knew something was strange, but she decided not to keep asking.
Sad part is Joel did genuinely feel bad about keeping this a secret for so long.he didn’t want to lose Ellie
The less you want a thing to happen the more it actually will
@@OutCast907 “One often meets his destiny on the path he takes to avoid it.” -Master Oogway
He should’ve told Ellie the truth in the car, or at least when Ellie asked him to be honest. Yeah there’d have been fallout from it, but things would have been resolved long before Abby showed up
@@outdoorscholar6016 It’s not exactly very easy anymore than when I found out the truth about why Abby murdered Joel.
Truthfully I wish I was there if I did I would’ve done something but this is the way I suppose.
We all deserve better but in the end if we want something and we get obsessed we may as well be wishing we were destroyed.
@@outdoorscholar6016 Survivor's guilt is a huge burden to bear, and so I totally get why Joel would want to keep that burden to himself since it was entirely his decision
All could have been avoided if Marlene just let Ellie wake up and convince Joel she was okay with it.
Joel would have shot Marlene just for thinking about trying to convince Ellie to let herself die.
Except she couldn’t take no for an answer. If Ellie said no, then what?
@@randomguy6679 Then she can kill Joel. The point is at least have the option.
@@fluriekfluriek2913 Joel knows she would have said yes, it would have been completely out of character for him to give her a choice. He would never let her die. It doesn’t matter if it’s what she wants
@@fluriekfluriek2913 She would have put Ellie under anyways, that’s the point
Ah, how ironic that teenager Ellie was more mature than rebellious adult Ellie here.
😂😂😂
It’s called bad writing
@@nathanielhendrix4798 Or maybe rage changes people.
xOogieBoogie3x under normal circumstances I would agree but in the case of this game I think it’s just shitty writing
Her response isnt not warranted, but the shock of Joel's betrayal wasn't really settled on her before her freakout. If they'd left it silent and left Ellie's shocked expression, it would've been more impactful to me. We already know she would've resented him. But allowing Ashley Johnson's excellent acting to sell it instead of a hissy fit would've been so much better.
We never got to hear them say “I love you”
It’s honestly weird to me how she gets upset over the truth. I understand being mad that he didn’t tell her the truth, but in the world people will lie and that’s how it is. It is upsetting how they never did say that to one another. :( Considering Joel was like a father to her.
@@Nicole-ll1qp Ellie been torn up inside 8:00 you see, many people she care about die by walker bit. and i think it kind of out of character for Joel say something like "i love you" to Ellie or vice versa.
@@tuantrananh4015 i see what you mean. Yeah, many people she had cared about did die but even so everyone has lost someone in this story. And being mad just can't change that or bring anyone back
@@tuantrananh4015 nah, although she was torn, she needed to understand that there were actually dozens before her who were immune, but all the experiment failed and those people all died. And given that she knew what happened to Joel, she should've have an argument with him instead of leaving him like that... that is what would ev happened anyway if amy hennig was still in naughty dog and the writing is consistent
Apparently Joel mouths "I love you" right before Abby finishes him off but it's a bit ambiguous.
Joel died next to a sliding door just like the first person he killed
Oh shit
Alex Berndt beginning part of the first game when the zombie broke through their sliding door
Lol
Why... just why...
Jimmy?
I'm not ready to see Bella and Pedro go through this 😭
SAME 😭😭
It won't be Bella playing Ellie
Me Too🥺🥺
@@momsspaghetti-sd9sn💀🤡
@@momsspaghetti-sd9sn Bella is 20, so I think she can pull it off.
I know everyone is talking about Ellies reaction and all, but can we mention 5:42? Seeing Joel hug Ellie like that, doing that worried parent talk, it's just lovely.
it really is lol
So genuine
Nah, the moment is pretty disgusting.
"You talk to me!"
Yeah? I talk to you? So you can lie to me more, gaslight me more instead of giving the answers? And he says it like he's the most caring and innocent man. While I get Joel and like him and all this stuff, this moment never sit right for me.
@@MariaKryvohub What are you even talking about?
@@MariaKryvohubas if children are prepared for every naked truth and parents NEVER have to make tough choices about what they tell them.
Grow up
I like how they didn’t even expand on Ellie’s immunity.
Not only that they are throwing it away
Dont get me wrong i have nothing against the lgbtq but making her lesbian kind of ruin sit for me not only did they throw it in our faces they also threw away the entire gene because well she wont be having any kids
They also didn’t really expand on her PTSD in the last game from nearly being raped. She was clearly different after that and they kind of just threw it to the side. Instead to just focus on some bullshit we don’t need to hear about like their sexuality which no one cares about in an apocalypse what a joke of a story.
Yeah I find it extremely lacking
how should they have done it?
gamingyoshi22 she takes care of jesse’s baby at the end, did you get that far?
8:20 that look on Joel’s face made me tear
The look of pure heartbroken betrayal Ellie has at 8:17 just makes it so much worse, too.
😭😭🤧
The moment he knew he had lost her
Guilty and heartbroken
Ashley Johnson's acting when Ellie broke down after Joel told her the truth was absolutely fantastic. Wow!! So much hurt in her voice and movements, really emotional.
Best part of the story? These flashbacks. Edit- Wow 1.9k likes.
You know if these flashbacks became a whole game I would’ve been fine with it. Then the garbage story we got rubbed in our faces.
It would be better if this flashback was the part 2 of it. The continuation of its part 1, not a time skip
Tomo Beat Hell Yeah
@@isaiahcolesanti275 I believe if this story was with all new characters, say the hospital massacre but they're after the wrong people, (you can still include abby IF YOU MUST.) and you could still have your "rEvEngE iS bAd" plot.
Sad but true
Why’s everyone upset Ellie was mad? In the first game and dlc, Ellie wanted to help make the cure no matter what it took. Her best friend died, her second mother figure before Joel and Tess showed up died for her and she even said all she wanted was the truth from Joel about what happened. But Joel lied and swore he was telling the truth for years. Imagine being the hope for humanity and being left out of the decision by force and lied to. Especially by someone she loved and cared for
You gotta see joel perspective as well after years he found someone in his life worth fighting for and sees her as the only thing he has left and couldn’t loose her
@@wisaalali3939 everyone's basically already on Joel's side, like we know, Joel had to do what's best for him. But Ellie wanted to whats best for the world.
Don't try logic, the fanbase has decided Joel is a saint now.
@@willfanofmanyii3751 100% this. It's like people are forgetting that the first The Last of Us was all about Joel already and we knew what he had done and we understood it. Most of these guys are literally so narrow with their views its unbelievable to me.
@@MoNDockS225 Come on, the vaccine wouldn't have worked anyway.
"I lost my daughter, then I found you. You're my daughter. I love you."
He should have added that
That's heartwarming
To be honest, I would’ve done the same thing.
It isn’t worth the death of an innocent child to save this fucked up world. One of the Wolverine movies mentions that.
that wouldve piss her even more
Then Joel fanbase will more angrier because how he died
Someone needs to voice act that line as Joel
one of the beautiful things about these games is that, in regards to this, both are completely validated in how they feel about what Joel did. when you really think about it, what Joel did was actually awful and he did for no one but himself but i can guarantee that anyone who is a parent would do the SAME. EXACT. THING. and Ellie is completely justified in her rage and feeling of betrayal towards Joel. when Joel told her the truth, the faces of everyone she’s cared about who got infected and died probably popped into her mind. She believes she could’ve and should’ve stopped that, and Joel took that away from her.
Unfortunately, you're wrong, plenty of scumbag people out there who'd hand their kid over on a scale from self righteous douchebags to simply don't care she was a burden anyway. This serious has made it pretty clear that not all humans are good, hell not even the protagonists are all good. It is what it is. There's a reason the department of children and families exists (atleast in florida DCF is the name for it, in new york it's CPS - child protective services)
There really was no guarantee that their would be a vaccine because it would if just kill her
@@yoursafeplace8476 I mean the Marlene asked Abbys dad the doctor what he would do if Abby was immune and he would need to sacrifice her to get a vaccine and he simply couldn't answer. Anyone that cares about their family would rather see the world burn than let their child be sacrificed to save humanity
Joel did nothing wrong
@@ryantakach1478 What he did was completely understandable, but he also kind of doomed humanity. So maybe it was a little wrong.
In all honesty, flashbacks much more intersting than whole story. They could've just made whole game builded on this flashbacks, just with much more story in it and between years, and ended up whis this moment. They could've made THIS an ending, though I assume it would be very predictable, but I'm 100% sure that everyone would feel for this ending so much, because of how heartbreaking this moment is.
What I wouldv'e done was make the story based on flashbacks and after %75 make the rest of it based on ellies immunity,leaving room for tlou3 a ps5 exclusive
I have only seen videos, but I agree that these are 100x more interesting than Abby and her thing. Joel and Ellie were the heart of the original game (even as we had one missing at some point or another, it all led to or was built around their bonding), so it's only natural that these flashbacks are where we feel at home, even the ones where they fall out with each other.....making such an unnecessarily BLEAK story was, in my humble opinion, not the way to go, and was not done properly. TLOU1 was dark, and the ending was very dark....but it was also happy in a way and even with that sort of...cliffhanger of an ending, we knew that one way or another everything would be fine, even if Ellie was to find out down the road. Here, what sort of closure do we get? Nothing. It's all bleak and dark for the sake of it, and Ellie ends up in a place she REALLY did NOT deserve.
They could've ended it with Mel making vaccine too it'd be shit if Ellie died too but at least it'd be a happy ending for the most part
But don't kill joel
@@lucidhuffle that's true. Some things do not need a sequel
@@Flight_Of_The_Spoon the ending just rlly doesn't sit with me in the second one
Joel: *Runs through a hospital full of soldiers with automatic rifles and bulletproof armor, Runs through a city full of hunters, runs through a hotel basement full of bloaters and stalkers, Etc*
Abby: *Ha Ha Driver nephi’s golf driver goes woosh*
Ellie uno reverse card at the and double uno reverse card
Well he was shot in the leg with a shotgun...so that definitely had something to do with it.
@@CS-er3ib The thing is Joel wouldn't have gotten himself in that situation, if he acted in accordance to his previous actions.
C S and he’s been through way worse than a shotgun to the knee, I guess they gave him Cutscene HP
Unfortunately, she was using a melee build and got crits.
I love how by the time we get to the second game, Joel has become so badass that we can’t even play as him. That type of power in the players hands could lead to a catastrophe
Dies to a couple you teenagers
I don’t think the takeaway from Joel should be that he is a badass. He is a flawed, selfish, empty husk of a man who is desperately trying to cling on to the last little bit of humanity he has left.
I like the softer more human Joel from the second game more. The reason he gets killed is because he chose a different path than the one he was on in the first game. The Joel from the first game would have never fallen into Abby’s trap. But that’s exactly the point. He had done so many terrible things, that coming back from that life was impossible.
Yes Joel deserved love and a chance at redemption but he also deserved everything that Abby did to him.
Life is complicated and people can be more than one thing at a time.
@@Flo-qw4jr once you get past the attachment you had with Joel after prt 1 you realize he was more or less a full blown sociopath taking it out his range on complete strangers and he destroyed whole families and did nasty things in order to survive. The man was a beast. There was no coming back from that cruel life and no redemption. The second he chose to kill innocent people so he wpuld live his days were numbered.
@@ronburgundy3172 I don’t think Joel is a villain or a hero. He is a flawed human being. Loved by some, despised by others. The point of these games isn’t to be on one character’s side or the other’s. It’s about understanding that life and people are complicated and neither good, nor bad, just human.
@@Flo-qw4jr hes a badass plain and simple man
I always thought the ending of TLOU1 made it obvious Ellie knew Joel lied to her. I figured her asking him to swear that everything he said was true wasn't to actually see if he'd say the truth but to see if he was willing to do anything to keep her. That's why once he lied she knew he was bullshitting, but that's why it was "okay" to her because she finally got someone who wouldn't ever leave her behind.
I think that's why the end of the game is ambiguous. It's to have a discussion about what we think Ellie knows. It's why I kinda hate that they made a sequel. The first game didn't need a sequel. It was it's own thing. The second game isn't horrendous, but it definitely takes some wind out of the sails of the first one by solidifying a lot of the ambiguity that made the ending great.
Agreed! Tbh if they really wanted to run a sequel, TLOU2 should have just been Abby and her dad having to journey across the country (much like Ellie and Joel), with the big reveal at the end being that Abby's dad is THE surgeon. This way, we actually can build a bond with Abby through wholesome moments with her dad. Instead all we got was this humorless, flat character.
Then TLOU3 could have been about the clash of two storylines. It would've hyped fans up having just played Abby's game and not having seen Ellie for a long time. But oh well, maybe the show will handle things differently.
this is the exact correct interpretation
There's layers of ambiguity but the narrative of TLoU1 is exactly as you explained.
There's ambiguity in the sense "what would I do in their situation?" but between the characters it aint ambiguous IMO
@@cole8834 you can't have a "correct" interpretation of anything
@@TheLeftistOwl Incorrect :)
Ambiguity can be part* of the correct interpretation.
Correctness means within the bounds of possibility.
Ellie woke up in a hospital gown after being blacked out nearly drowning. Last she knew they were going to meet the Fireflies.
Then next thing Joel is driving her right out of Salt Lake city.
Ellie is not stupid. Ellie being stupid would be an incorrect interpretation.
Ellie not knowing Joel was lying about the Fireflies would make Ellie stupid. Now; there is ambiguity about what exactly she thinks the lie itself is. But she knows he's lying about something.
But she says "okay" afterwards.
That's why she "makes him swear" in the first place. Because she knows he's lying.
Can't wait to see this recreated in Season 2.
It's gonna be equally heartbreaking.
Garbage show.
Omg dude it's gonna be heartbreaking 😭
I hope season 2 is nothing like the 2nd part of the last of us game
@@Doinksinamish820
It's gonna have to be.
Season 1 was practically the first game.
Yeah but they gotta expand the story and how she grows older how she is in this game. Like at least 5 more seasons. Shit it would be insane. Then do a Abby story in season 3. It can’t just be two seasons and end it. That would be so dumb.
When you compare that moment where Joel goes to hug Ellie from being concerned and worried about her for running off versus how he tried to sound hardened and annoyed when she runs off in Part 1 really shows how far Joel has come. Ellie truly brought out the best of him that he lost for a long time
7:12
The look on Joel’s face just broke my heart. I hate to see my guy all upset.
He's not upset, he's conflicted and mostly scared. He knows Ellie will hate his answer and he's afraid of losing her.
my guy frrrrrr frrrrrr 😤😤
6:59 God, I LOVE Joel's expression here. So much guilt and regret shown without saying a single word
He had no regret on what he did. He just knew, that if he tell her truth, he'll lose her either way
@@Zigzagin_Zag He regretted all the murder, he didn't regret saving Ellie
@@Zigzagin_ZagStop acting like Joel has no emotions
L take@@Zigzagin_Zag
2:17 her facial expression when she says "I've never met another immune person" really showcases how realistic video games are looking. I mean that looked so real.
It's the eyebrows. It does so much for facial expression. The Pixar animators use it for inanimate things like the toys in toy story who for the rest don't have much of a "face". Eyebrows express anger, surprise, pain, doubt...
I mean Joel's reasoning was spot on even though it was a lie. Someone immune would A) have to get infected B) not be killed by other humans for being infected C) Not kill themselves to avoid turning, and then D) on top of all of that, tell someone else who would never believe them and then back to B) and then E) meet Ellie who lives in a small town in the middle of an apocalypse.
The odds of all of that happening all at once are infinitesimal. It makes 100% sense that they'd never find another person like that.
It’s also kinda dumb for Ellie to say given that the world’s population has plummeted and what remains is extremely disjointed.
Ellie’s probably met fewer people in her entire life than my graduating class in high school
Imagine if zombies actually start learning how to drive and shoot guns
Resident evil 5 and 6?
RE4 all over again LMAO
Last of Us 2: Fast and Furious
bruh
[SPOILERS]Imagine that thing you fight in the hospital as Abby with a gun
He’d mow you down in a minute
She gonna regret saying anything bad to him
Edit: I'm loving this debate going on in the comments.
@DrMonkeyBoyJr I'm with Joel. No matter what happens if there a vaccine or whatever. This world will be the same!
@DrMonkeyBoyJr God stop regurgitating the same old dogshit opinion. He did what ANY FATHER would have done for his daughter. He's not perfect but he did the right thing.
@@CigEconomy No, he should of let Ellie chose...
@@EroticOnion23 Ellie was unconscious and about to have the operation that would kill her, she litterally could not choose. Joel had to make the decision there and then and he chose to save her.
@@rxdiostxtic True, and the Fireflies forced his hand. This is a detail people seem to forget; as SOON as he woke up they sent him packing, having an armed guard push him out the door. He didn't give Ellie a choice, but neither did they. Also, the situation escalated quickly as HELL, and he did what did out of love, he just reacted. Was it moral or good? Who knows? But he did what he felt he had to. I totally get that he lied, and Ellie's PISSED, because she explicitly asked him to let whatever had to happen happen....maybe the price of saving her was earning her hatred, but, for all we know, she would have died for NOTHING. She THINKS her life would have had a meaning, but....who on earth knows? It might have, might have not. At least she's there to try and find a new one, find a new thing to fight for, like Joel learned to.
It's one of those moments where I do love what Joel did in LOU. You do understand where he coming from, but also aware what he may have causes because of it.
I think the complexity of this games story line is amazing. Not a lot of games like this
what complexity? It was so simple, that it was very easy to figure out the whole story, before playing it. I´m amazed about the fact of the existence of people that feel this story was complex. It´s like...WTF?
@@walterio13 you figured out the whole story before even playing it 😭😭alright buddy
@@HahaHaha-li1tn you didn't?
@@walterio13 more like half way playing it🥱
@@walterio13you’re just a hater bro😂😂 probably a walking dead fan
You gotta remember that Ellie saw herself as a chance to save humanity and that her immunity could save millions. They traveled across the whole country for this. And knowing that joel took that away from her... basically what ellie feels was her purpose and entire existence... that's got to absolutely shatter her. She clearly loves joel but someone can only take some many lies.
Technically it was one lie told many times, and yes most people at the end of their lives want it to have counted for something. However the firefly's never gave Ellie a choice, they were about to kill her without ever waking her up and asking her, when Joel saved her and she would never have know and thats supposing it even worked! Yes, Ellie says she was ready but saying and being are two completely different things! How many martyrs have withered at the last moment!
Fuck humanity. All it does is senseless consuming and listen to stupid braindead ‘people’ on tiktok
@@tsrgoinc it doesn’t matter, Joel still lied about it for years. It’s also similar to Freya and Kratos, where he did not regret saving her life but admits that he should not have taken that choice from her.
But screw the Fireflies, they brought this on themselves. Joel’s only mistake was lying about the whole thing
I dont think 1 ellie is enough to make a cure for millions or billions of people.
I think that's garbage though, because Ellie had no clue that the experiments would kill her. I don't think she would have just agree to die. And even if she would've the fireflies didn't ask her.
Imagine feeling like a burden to thousands of people who could’ve been alive.
True, but it also isn’t right to kill someone to save somebody else. Despite it being a tough choice, if I was in the same situation as Joel I would have done the same thing.
@Aitchtick neither did joel give her a choice too since he kidnapped her from the table.
None of that is on her.
@@relaxhedx7064 In order to have a morally gray choice you need to have options. Joel never had any options other than save Ellie or be robbed and most likely murdered by a guard.
There was no other choice but to save Ellie. That's not gray. It's the morally correct option given the data Joel had at the time. In hindsight it's the objectively correct decision. You're conflating what Joel would have done with being morally gray instead of the quality of options before him, their probabilities and their context. A morally gray choice didn't exist. The firefly didn't give him one. He being robbed and murdered isn't morally gray and neither is saving a teenage girl. It's was OBVIOUS their was never going to be a cure given the collectables in the first game and the motif of the failed messiah in the collectables. Ish's community being the second best example following the Firefly researches recording and Tommy's admission.
I am debating this because there was no morally gray option in the first game. Joel simply saved an annoying teenage girl from being murdered without consent by a hack doctor's and the Fireflies' fever dream of looking for the light. There's nothing gray about this option. Joel's choice was the light in the darkness.
The game wasn't special with respect to anything outside of dialogue and voice acting. It's a mediocre game but it's one of the best of its movie simulation genre.
@@Сайтамен It's already been confirmed that the vaccine would have worked.
I sympathize with Joel here. I don’t believe that, even with everything the Fireflies had, that a cure would’ve been possible. I’m almost positive they would’ve killed Ellie for nothing, and Joel had every right to get her out of there
Yeah, but Abbey also had the right to kill him for murdering her father. If what Joel dis is “the right thing.” Then so is what Abbey did.
@@AesirUnlimited further proof that things like “Right” and “Wrong” are mostly just a matter of perspective.
@@Twocoolman115 And that’s what this game was about. Perspective. If you look at it from that point of view, the story is amazing. TLOU2 is by far one of the most profound sp experiences I’ve ever had.
@@haydensilas65 oh, absolutely.
The game does a great job at showing how one character’s hero is another character’s villain.
It does NOT change the fact that the character’s writing was butchered and the story was generally just bullshit.
@@Twocoolman115 I can’t agree man 🤷🏾♂️ . I think it deserved every accolade in the book
5:44 I love this little Father - Daughter part with Joel, Joel caring for Ellie like a daughter, but when Ellie pushes him aside I know what’s about to happen and something inside me Shatters
I know you wish things were diffrent about the TLOU 2. I wish things are diffrent. But They aint.
@THE LUCKE CHARMER Last of Us is not about happy endings.
@@TheChazas what was the first game then? Pretty happy ending
@@alexradice8163 it was more like cliffhanger ending to me
@@dalaxdercrisper957 Their story ended in the first game. That was no cliffhanger.
@@alexradice8163 what?
Okay, but I'm so sure that Ellie knew. Like seriously, is it only me who thought that the second she woke up on that truck she put everything together and realized what happened? I always thought that Ellie knew what happened lmao
@Kräzekuchen 23 Thats probably exactly what happened considering the second's game story. But I swear to god that the first game showed us way too many clues about ellie knowing. I'm pretty sure she always was 90% sure about what happened and the other 10% relied on Joel straight up telling her the truth. Ellie's a smart character, the second she woke up on that truck she would have started to piece everything together or at least think/consider the reality of the situation you know?
I think its she knew he lied about something that's why she said "if you lie to me ONE MORE TIME" but she didnt know what joel technically did
She sure had an inkling that Joel lied to her . But she ofc didn't exactly what happened.
She suspected something was up but when she said “okay” at the end of the first game when Joel swore everything he said was true, she decided to trust him and try to believe what he said.
The way she shut her eyes definitely implies that. If that wasn't enough, when she asks Joel when getting to Jackson, Joel takes a slighr pause before saying he swears. Put 2 and 2 together, she knew but wanted him to come out with it
The heartbreaking thing about this scene is that Ellie and Joel both have valid points. With Joel there is a minuscule chance that the Fireflies could have developed a vaccine since Cordyceps is a fungus, and even if by some miracle they did the vaccine would only work as a preventive measure in a world that is already overrun by infected. With Ellie there is a massive amount of survivors guilt and conflicted emotions knowing that your life was the one possible chance to save humanity and that the man you viewed as a father figure betrayed your trust and made the decision for you. There's no right answers here, just two broken people making the decisions they felt were right for them.
The way I looked at Joel's thoughts as something along the lines of
"Humanity has been gone for decades. There is no going back to the way the world used to be, and even if we could go back we'd just fuck it up all over again."
I also think there is a small irrational and immoral part of his brain that was thinking "I don't want the old world to come back because the old world had my daughter in it, and if I can't be happy in the old world, then it shouldn't come back"
I just wanted to hear her call him dad one time.....
That be cheesy as hell
major cringe
Nah, Joel's more of an uncle 🤣
Daddy
That would be so cringe and laughable.
Why was this not the whole game
Devyn Durocher tch, I was thinking the same thing!
This actually could’ve been used to make a pt 2 instead of what we got
Social justice warriors. Worlds alot different then 2007.
Because it would have been a lifeless sequel.
if this is the whole game then there would be no shooting
I'm just gonna pretend that the whole game only consisted of that guitar scene (intro), dinosaur scene, this scene, the hospital scene, and the patio scene all together. I'll just pretend the rest didn't happen.
Wait, there's more after the Patio part?
It is what it is. Joel got the retribution for what he did. Even if there was a 1% chance of making a vaccine that works, any sane person would have taken it but Joel was broken af. And no one should ever judge the decision he made.
Same! I can't wait to see Joel and Ellie in the next game!!!
That just shows how of a Joel hardcore fanboy you are lol.
Alejandro Alvarado or it just shows how poorly written the 2nd game was
The fireflies didn't even give ellie the right to choose or let Joel say bye to her, I think Joel did the right thing.
Yeah like isn’t patient consent one of the main duties for doctors lol?
@@Ay3shizzle Well... the doctor was actually a veterinarian, n
@@marsa7600 well but still you would think he would have common sense and be like I don’t want to kill this innocent little girl without letting her know what’s going on.
It hitting and sinking in for Ellie that her suspicion was right all along at 7:37 is rough.
This is why you always tell someone you love them before it’s too late
THIS should have been the focus of the game, just months after the first one.
I agree tbh
While I agree, I still like what they did because it still ties in with Joel's action. Abby is essentially one huge consequence of what Joel did, and he even accepts his death. Plus, the whole revenge mission also gives the story a gameplay link. If it were just around Joel and Ellie's relationship surrounding the lie, I'm not sure how it would've linked to gameplay.
@@nickb6425 this. People failed to realize that Abby is the consequence of Joel's actions in the first game hence the name "part 2". It is a direct continuation
This is one of the only times I cried during a game
It’s just so gut wrenching to see the regret in Joel’s eyes and then he just stands there like:………. Shit
What about ellie. The truth absolutely devastated her, knowing that she could have potentially saved people if they were able to procure a vaccine....that's good story
He had no regret on what he did. He just knew, that if he tell her truth, he'll lose her either way
Me and my dad were playing tlou2 and when Abby shot Joel my dad reseted the game 😂
Your father is a real one, lol.
@Aitchtick she shot him in the leg with a shotgun first
hahahhaahhaahahahah I love that!
...What did he do once it resumed?
@@ZenMonkeyGod now THAT is the question right there- XD
Great scene, but 6:10 looks like Joel has a dialogue option from The Walking Dead but chooses not to say anything.
Lmao true
Yeah and the abby killing joel part
Kill joel or dont kill joel
8:18 breaks my heart.
Her anger, his sadness.
I feel bad for him
Элли во второй части меня бесит😐
Since Ellie push Joel away from the truth. He tired to comfort her from breaking down but yet she doesn’t want to be touch for Joel reveling the truth
Who’s here after the season 1 finale ?
everyone
Pretty odd Joel somehow forgets to mention that when Ellie drowned and he tried resuscitating her the fireflies knocked him unconscious. They kidnapped Ellie, drugged her, and were going to perform a life ending surgery without her consent (murder) and were ordered to kill Joel if he interfered... Hmm superb writing 👌👌
For real. If Joel would've said that maybe Ellie would've thought twice about how she felt towards him. Joel did a shitty thing for the right reasons.
That's because he knows Ellie wanted to sacrifice herself for the cure.
.....why the hell do I not remember that?
Like my brother and I (mainly my bro, but I watched) played that game so religiously we beat it multiple times on Grounded, _why do I not remember that?_
And worst of all, it wasn't clear that killing ellie would make a vaccine. It's all complicated bio shit.
@@fastrun14 Besides, a vaccine isn't a cure. It just makes people inmune to the virus, it doesn't cure them.
Joel was never a good person, but he's a good daddy.
Did you just assume Joels gender?
Name one person who’s good in the first game?
Sarah @@Shockkings0714
@@Shockkings0714 Sam
@@gukeoke6312 Fair
She was hurt but she clearly still loved him.
What I love most is that Joel never tried to defend his actions or justify what he did, he just said he would do it again if given the chance. He lets her react and gives her space, he doesn’t force his reasoning on Ellie.
I think the core issue is that neither Joel nor Marlene ever asked Ellie what SHE wanted. Especially in medical practice, the consent of the patient is the priority. If Ellie had decided FOR HERSELF that she was or wasn’t willing to die for the cure, then that would have been the right decision.
True.. but what if she says no? You think the fireflies just let her go? Let the only potential vaccine just walk out of there? That’s a tough decision for a young girl to make and either answer would cause trouble. You’re right though, I think all she ever wanted was the right to choose for herself.
in an apocalyptic world like that, i’m sure medical ethics or the hippocratic oath mean nothing, and will probably force her into do the vaccine to save everyone
@@Shmotivated In the end, everyone around her wanted or did the wrong thing for the right reasons.
I belivel killing underaged girls for a vacine is wrong even if she agreas to it. Just asking her about it would be totaly wrong. What is wrong with everyone :) The decission should be "we don`t kill girls to maybe get a vacine" no matter what! So even if she would agree to die for it they should still not do it!
Who else think the fireflies were mediocre and their “vaccine” would have never work?
Yeah and if it was, no way that they wouldn't use it as some sort of 'power-play' - thus making soldiers that are immune, and maybe even spreading the infectious disease themselves bio-warfare style.
I do
Just about everyone who wants to justify Joel's decision
by how they operate and how they treat Joel and Ellie is insignificant, i doubt they will try to make the world a better place, the most probably thing that could happen is they will use the vaccine to dictate who live and who's not, while increasing their power while posing as humanity savior.... they didn't even offer to vaccinate Joel for all his hardwork.
@@shianhao you're comment makes me loose faith in humanity
Due to his lie, Joel is forced to play Golf until he dies.
That looks like a 'Black Stories' riddle. I like it
The facial performance from Troy and the animators when Joel struggles to tell her is Oscar-worthy. I've felt exactly what he's feeling during a couple of my breakups, when you know what you have to say will hurt the person you're talking to and destroy the relationship. The words compress, dammed painfully behind your lips.
Here Joel knows that there's no more deflection. She's given him the ultimatum. But he knows that he'll end their relationship when the words come out. Worse than that, he's been hiding behind the lie for so long that he can't comprehend how completely the truth will devastate her. He foolishly tries to comfort her as the ramifications crash through her.
I never questioned why this cutscene was placed where it was, between the Nora interrogation scene and Ellie returning to the theater. During my last playthrough it hit me hard: Ellie wasn't shaking because of what she did to Nora, which was my original impression. She'd received the final piece of the puzzle that Joel had destroyed an entire community to save her. She was avenging someone who perhaps deserved what he got. "I made her talk," Ellie says, and she's reeling not from the brutality she inflicted but from the full revelation.
That's why this cutscene appears her. Her confrontation with Nora is the other bookends to this scene, when Ellie visited the place the Fireflies lost everything. Her memories of searching the hospital were now flooded with the images of Joel's massacre.
For all we know, she didn't even kill Nora. She may have learned who the Salt Lake crew was - who Abby's father was - and backed away in shock. She notes in her journal that she suspected as much, but the full truth was too much to bear. I can see her dropping the pipe in horror and leaving Nora to die.
I think it’s Ellie’s reaction that makes this scene, she can barely breathe because of her shock
@@SteCollects Absolutely. Ashley Johnson definitely developed that gesture for Ellie to paw at her chest when her anxiety spikes. She does it several times in the game. Here and in the barn especially, like she’s trying to reach through her own skin to find her breath.
If I remember correctly the doctors said they couldn’t guarantee anything, when you listen to the recordings it’s basically saying that elli was going to be a test subject that may have not even worked out, they also didn’t even give Joel a choice they were keeping him locked in that hospital so of course he was going to fight back.
TLOU1:
Ellie: "Don't fucking touch me!"
Joel hugs Ellie
TLOU2:
Ellie: "Don't you fucking touch me!"
Ellie pushes Joel away
Iam cry in that 2
Both of these scenes had completely different contexts..
I wish Joel had given more reasoning to Ellie. The fireflies were also shady af and their way of handling things is what also caused distrust in Joel and see them as “bad”
What an Incredible game. This scene and the final scene really had me in tears. Maybe things would’ve been different had Joel lived. Maybe they could’ve gone looking but that but tik was taken from her. I’m sorry he lied Ellie. Poor thing was so hurt. Geezus Christ Ashley. That was such a good scene. Man I’ve been hurt like that before. I felt that.
Joel dying and the perspective of both parties involved in it is literally what this entire game is about.
Man I’m really liking that Joel guy, I hope nothing bad happens to him!
Joel: I wish things were diffrent, but it weren't us who change
With a plan and a little more money perhaps Joel and Ellie would be safe, down in the tropics. Tahiti perhaps.
Only if there were more PLANS
Funny how Marlene never comes up
She ded, let her stay ded 💀💀
is only when they show us Abby and her Dad speaking with Marlene about vaccine
Probably because she is dead lol
Can’t come up from the grave. 💀
Probablh would make Ellie even more pissed off she took care of ellie after her mom died. She was a surrogate mother to her and ofc Joel is not going to tell her he shot her in cold blood while she lied on tje floor begging for her life.
This is the transfer of survivor's guilt. Joel's personality through the whole first game; his anger, his shield, his rage at not being able to save Sarah. Then he realises there's a chance to save Ellie and he does so and it's brutal and cathartic. Now in the second game he's super chill because he's absolved himself. But here he passes it to Ellie. Ellie now knows that every piece of happiness she has comes at the cost of the suffering of all humanity.
This is a really great way to put it
Assuming you believe that the Fireflies had the ability to make a cure, even if they had the science right (which I don't). But - that doesn't stop the ethical questions being compelling
Honestly I found it incredibly grating that he just flipped a switch from "you're sure as hell not my daughter" to "I will doom humanity for you" in basically a 5 minute window.
@@gorginhanson I get what you mean. I could tell you what you already know; that it wasn’t five minutes ‘actually’ and that the transition happened after he’d been terribly wounded, nursed back to health by Ellie and then saved her from David. But if you didn’t feel that worked then that’s your truth. I sort of had the opposite in that when they found Tommy I couldn’t believe that he’d get rid of her. I was absolutely astonished in that moment - I don’t think I remember a game character ever acting so opposite to both what I expect and what I would have done if the game had (in that moment) gave me a choice.
My original point stands regardless. Joel’s guilt IMO came from not saving Sarah. I think we can justify his ‘dooming humanity’ in her name rather than Ellie’s if that works better. And I still think that in saving Ellie at the end he forgives himself for not saving Sarah.
Yeah i agree, I was shocked about how cruel he was to Ellie in that moment. I felt like they had already bonded to the point that e wouldnt give her away@@vladimirimp
crazy how we can see ellie aging bit by bit. the subtle changes in her appearance are terrifyingly realistic
I think deep down Joel always knew one day he would confess the truth to Ellie and he knew that one day the Fireflies will come looking for him for revenge. What Joel did, was what any father would've done and considering the doctor was going to operate on her either way and they didn't care that Ellie was a human being, Joel had every rights to kill them
Nope. If it costs one life to save thousands than it is worth it.
@@rajatsrivastava3952 well to each his own
@@rajatsrivastava3952 would you do it if it was your daughter ?
I wouldn't know if you had one or not .
But qould you sacrifice the most precious person in your life for an uncertain probability of creating a vaccine.
@@rajatsrivastava3952: If a vaccine can be 100% guaranteed, then it's debatable. But in this storyline, it wasn't the case
@@rajatsrivastava3952 Realistically, there wasn’t even much of a chance that they could even make a cure. Plus, if Ellie’s immunity stemmed from the actual fungus itself, it wasn’t actually immunity- it was a chance mutation that didn’t turn her.
Besides, what would a preventative have really done except serve as a way to lord power over others (“Follow us and we’ll let you have it.”).
Came back to this after watching 1st eps of the hbo series. When people ask me, why Joel decide to save Ellie and doomed the humanity’s survival, i say to them, it wasnt the infected who killed his daughter but a human did. He lost his daughter cuz of humanity’s action and he wont let that happen again to Ellie. And again in part 2 Ellie lost Joel not to the infected, but to a human.
So much emotion with these two on screen together. The developers made a huge mistake by giving us Abby.
Oh yeah I agree with the part when you say...........
and I loved how you defended your point when you said..................
@@alejandroalvarado3409 stfu
I actually really like Abby’s sequences, it puts the selfishness and cruelty of Joel into perspective
Nah Abby was a well written character, tlou isn't just joel and ellie
@@MM-hi that's where you're wrong
oh god when this part gets in the hbo show for the season2, im about to turn into a whole another person and cry an ocean.
"But if you tell me the truth, I'll go back to Jackson."
Joel:
A. Tell truth
B. Lie
C. "Look Ellie, a clicker!"
*_(D. Say nothing.......)_*
Like some scenes in part 1 end
Tale tales ‘The Walking Dead’ season 500
I rather choose C. Lmao
(?) Ellie will remember that.
E. Round of gwent?
Joel lost his daughter, and now his porpose of life was Ellie. He did not save her only for that, saving Ellie was a way of saveing Joel`s life too, because he has found something to fight and live for.
this.
so first , in TLOU1 , she guilt trips him for wanting to send her with Tommy to the fireflies , telling Joel that everyone she loved had either died or left her except for him , then when he ends up caring for her as much as his own daughter and saves her , she guilt trips him for saving her life... even though if she died then Joel would have been the one who ends up with everyone who loves him dying or leaving him .. pretty selfish and inconsiderate of Ellie if you ask me
You don't understand. Ellie wants to be with Joel until she get to the Fireflies cause she trust and love Joel. Watch TLOU ending again Ellie feel guilt of what happens to Riley, Tess, and Sam. she wants to know the truth about the fireflies cause if she knew she had the chance to save the world she will feel more guilt. That's why she mad at Joel. Cause Joel stop her and lying after all of this year
Superior MF7 i know that but she clearly does not care what Joel would have felt if the fireflies killed her
@@ken10337 she did tho not in this scene. She was just shocked in this. When her and Joel last conversation Joel told her that he would do it all over again if given the chance. She realize her life still mattered even when she's not making the sacrifice for mankind. Mattered to Joel and everyone that love her. That's why she said she would like to try to forgive Joel
you do understand that her fear of being alone probably comes from her immunity right?
Who's inconsiderate? Joel's selfish desire to save Ellie to preserve his memory of Sarah (or preserve this faux father-daughter relationship) deprived the world of a cure and even killed Marlene (who was a dear friend of Ellie's mother and Ellie's caretaker after her mother passed). Ellie was contempt with the fact that her life could have meant something if she could save the world, the whole time she read comic books of heroes that saved the world and envisioned herself as one herself. Joel stole that choice from her, it was outright immoral on his part.
Don't act like Joel isn't innocent here, if you look at it objectively, he's actually a piece of shit.
Can't believe some ppl hate on this scene. Ellie had every RIGHT to be upset at Joel here. Not only did he possibly doom the world in HER name, but when he had the chance to fess up 3 years earlier, he lied right to her FACE.
Only redditor weirdos think Joel was wrong. They easily sacrifice children for the cult.
@@Hero_Of_Old 😳
@@KoolKeithProductions "You shall not pass!!!" Sorry couldn't help myself after reading this exchange.
"Don't touch me! How could you? Kill all those Fireflies who took me while I was unconcsious and decided I needed to die with no guarantee? You are a monster Joel!"
@@mealf6503 Probably an incel lol
No I think it was more of the fact that Ellie told him she would be happy to die for the greater good and him not being able to accept that. Of course she would be mad that he lied to her. It's not that she doesn't want him to be protective of her. It's the fact that he lied.
@@mealf6503 someone who says femal and not woman is an npc
Ikr...smh
@@mealf6503 wtf, what's wrong with saying female
Honestly if I lived in a world where the only way to save it was to sacrifice to person you loved.. I would do the exact same thing as Joel.
Shut up incel
The flashbacks are my favourite parts of this game
The first time I got to that part I actually felt like a lot of pressure was getting off of me when Joel told Ellie the truth. But because of Ellie's reaction I couldn't be happy about it and I had to hold back a LOT of tears.
So glad Ellie found out the truth. I knew this would be her reaction too.
This was the most emotional moment in the whole series for me. It's so perfectly crafted
Its not just that Joel loves Ellie more then anything in the world, its that he loves her more then EVERYTHING in the world.
I wish Joel would’ve told Ellie that he was too scared of losing her and would’ve repeated the line “You have no idea what loss is.” Joel honestly had every right to save Ellie and she has every right to be angry at him. Joel really loved being a Father Figure to Ellie and he doesn’t want to repeat the same disaster that happened with Sarah.
I feel like Joel has more stories to tell in Part 3 and/or The Directors Cut of Part 2 and so much missed opportunities for the characters like Abby feeling remorseful for killing Joel and Ellie asking him what made him to saver her.
That look she gives Joel at 3:46 is so heartbreaking. Its like you can see her coming to terms with her worst fears about that night.
The acting in this game is incredible.
Ellie's "No matter what it is" always surprises me.
The whole point of the first game was that the vaccine wasn't the solution to fix the problem. The real solution was the bonding of humanity and surviving together. The bond of a father & daughter figure. The second game completely missed the point.
Was that the point though? I always interpreted is as more morally gray. You get why Joel did what he did and you're glad Ellie is safe, and yet they might've gotten a cure or at least some valuable knowledge from Ellie, and he hid what he did from her so she wouldn't feel guilty or go back.
To me it always read more as a question. Is what Joel did selfless or selfish? It's kind of left up to interpretation
no your what you wanted it to be the point was he dont know if the vaccine would work because joel stoped them
That's all well and good, but from Ellie's point of view her immunity was her purpose, a way in which all her friends' deaths wouldn't be for nothing. She wanted that cure, even if it meant trading her life for it. Joel knew this and stole her away anyway regardless of her wishes. That's not bonding. If my father kept something like this from me I would have reacted the exact same way Ellie did.
The second game had a completely different point entirely lol.
@@SandyTheDesertFox they weren't even close to a cure! the tape recorders from the fireflies confirm that
This scene was one of the heartbreaking because Joel swore that everything he said was true, but was a lie. When Ellie finds out finally that Joel was lying throughout the years, how would you react? Although, Joel also held a burden, at some point, she'll find the truth, but losing a daughter figure when you've been travelling and connecting with each other across the country, what would you choose? Lose that connection or save that connection, but hold a burden your whole life and this brings up The Trolley Problem being, would you save one life, but sacrifice millions of others?
Considering the chances of actually making a cure from Ellie are low, the only real difference is that she would’ve died. Nothing else would’ve changed overall.
Making a vaccine would have killed Ellie and even then, it wasn't guaranteed that the vaccine would work. So it is understandable why Joel charged in there and saved Ellie. I don't understand why she doesn't understand that.
Even though in the real world vaccines don't cure fungal infections, Druckman has said before that in this universe of the game they can cure fungal diseases, and had they gone through with the procedure a cure would have been found.
Even so, her immunity and chance for a cure was Ellie's purpose in life. It wasn't his right to disregard her wishes.
Survivor’s guilt. In TLOU she talks about how everyone she loves has died or left, which is why she doesn’t want Joel to leave her. She later reveals that she found out she is immune after watching her best friend/crush die right in front of her when they were both bitten, and although they never say it, I think Ellie had to kill Riley when she turned. She is a child who has been deeply affected by the virus and wants her immunity to mean something for the world. She WANTED to die for the greater good. She wanted to sacrifice herself for the hope that no one else would ever have to lose someone to this virus. Joel KNEW that she would have willingly died to save everyone else, and he still took her choice away from her. Later on in TLOU2 we see a flashback where she tells Joel that she was meant to die at the hospital and that her life would have mattered. She feels that he stole her destiny and the potential for her immunity to save the world.
@@RJW98 "in this universe of the game"
that just a bs excuse to hide the fact he didn't know shit about how vaccines work
since the storyline revolves entirely on the possibility of a vaccine
@@RJW98 Very convenient. Did Druckman also say that they have the facilities and tools to mass produce the vaccine in less than a year?
@@Gomeshiro Agreed. He should have done his research better. But even so, canonically that's just how it is now.
What I love about this game is that it forces you to question and reflect on Joel's decisions and their consequences of Part 1.
TLOU Part 1 is my favorite game of all time and I love Joel and Ellie.
But if you look at what Joel did objectively, he’s definitely not a good person (even tho I feel sympathy for him). He killed innocent and important people, who literally wanted to find a cure. Just so he could save Ellie.
I love this story because it’s so complex and it blurs the lines between good and bad.
He's never portrayed as a good man. The only redeeming thing about him was Ellie and thats what he clung onto. Its why he killed the fireflys
This is why their relationship was complex. The storytelling of The Last of Us is unmatched.
The amount of detail is crazy. If you look at the end when she says "We're done" to Joel, her hoodie actually develops tiny wet streaks from her tears dropping off her face. That someone thought about that is mind-blowing.