The production cuts out Dr. Manhattan's best lines in this chapter: "I've walked across the surface of the Sun. I've observed events so infinitesimal they could be said not to have happened at all. But you? You are just a man. And this world's smartest man means no more to me than does its smartest termite."
@Stellvia Hoenheim Wouldn't the high production value be even less reason to justify it? For all the budget that went into everything else, they couldn't afford a single extra voice actress?
@Degree7 Why is having a single voice actor more preferable? Why are the only options to have a single voice actor for all the characters or one voice actor for every character? Why can't it be something in between? And how would having more voice actors be more distracting than a single voice actor doing every voice, even the women?
@Degree7 How would that cause disruption in the flow of voices? Is that not something that can be fixed through editing? Why isn't this same disruption not present in other productions with multiple voice actors? Also, do females not generally sound feminine? Is it that much harder to find a female voice actor that sounds feminine than it is to find a male voice actor that sounds feminine? Why is it sexist to want a female to do female characters? Is that any more sexist than wanting a male to do male characters?
@Degree7 First of all, this isn't an audio book. Motion comics are drastically different from Audio books in terms of production and have a much larger budget because of that. Second, this goes to show what you know about motion comics because most have more than one voice actor. Superman Red Son, Batman Black and White, Ultimate Wolverine vs Hulk, Iron Man Extremis, these are all motion comics with more than one voice actor and I can list off more if you want. Third, the audio editing process for most productions involving multiple voice actors tends to be very similar to one another, regardless if it's a movie, cartoon, or motion comic. So I ask once again: What disruption are you referring to and how can't it be fixed through editing? Fourth, don't straw man me. I never said I needed a full cast. There are plenty of voiced productions that reuse voice actors while still keeping everyone sounding unique because of the talent of the cast. Find one female voice actress who has even half as much talent as the guy they have working here already and I think I'd be fine. Fifth, stop straw-manning me. I never said all female voice actresses had to voice exclusively female characters. But generally, females will sound more feminine than males will, which is why most productions will pick female voice actresses for female characters. That's why I suggested hiring a female voice actress because they'd more likely sound the part of most female characters than most male actors would. Certainly not the guy they already have. And finally, maybe if you took the time to read my comment for more than a few seconds you might actually understand what I'm trying to say instead of some fallacious misinterpretation.
I love how there's no music in the desecrated New York seen. The cold, dead silence really sets the mood for what had happened. The major sound we hear the most is the ominous clock bells. Almost sounding like funeral bells.
I love the Irony of Veidt’s plan , and the brilliance of Allan Moore: To stage an alien invasion (a traditional comic book/sci fi gimmick) in order to save the world from nuclear war (a very real possibility during the Cold War) is highly symbolic. This series really flips the tables the superhero narrative genre. Next to The Incal, Watchmen is my favorite comic.
when i first watched the movie, and we got to see the first scenes on mars, i actually got the idea that the cold war could have been stopped by something to scare the people from mars. either i am a genius, or the movie/plot itself has a genius way of making that idea automatically come up through subtle hints...
Only Doctor Manhattan knows for sure that Rorschach is dead, maybe Veidt if it showed on security footage. Neither would tell anyone, and I doubt Dan and Laurie would want to talk about it. As far as everyone else in the world is aware, Rorschach broke out of jail in the Owlship and that's where his trail ends. I bet he becomes a new urban cryptid.
I support Rorshach's course of action because of a quote: "It's true that the exposure of the truth will sometimes lead to tragedy,however I believe that that no matter how tragic the truth will be,it would be an even greater tragedy if someone were to avert their eyes from it." I believe the people deserve to know the truth what happened and who was responsible.What they do with the truth is up to them. That's the great thing about Watchmen,it leaves it up to you to decide who's right.
Find it hard to sympathise with ozymandias, he had too much sadistic fun with his plan and the motion comic really brought that out, makes it clear he done it to fulfil his own aspirations and ego.
I fail to see the part where he ever shows enjoyment from the killing, if anything i just see a man in despair at the possibility of the human race being wiped out by nuclear holocaust.
I thought it was ironically predictive of the 90s "edgy" phase that comics entered kinda because of Watchmen's darker themes. I immediatly thought of Spawn and the X-Men movies
I love how they all start to compromise and Rorschach still sticks to his values. He was a man who had such a grim view of human beings, thought they were selfish and cruel. We never see him witness kindness from one person to another that was not Nite Owl. And yet... and yet he was the one who could not stand by as others were silent of Veidt's crimes. Maybe he thought back to those people in the apartments who were silent. Still, this man who saw nothing redeemable about humans, was the one who stood up for them when all the other heroes fell silent. A true hero
The people in the appartments were silent for a different reason. They wouldn't start a nuclear war when helping Kitty Genovese. The point of Watchmen is: are Veidt's deeds really crimes? If you see a trolley riding towards a group of 3 people, is it wrong to make it change to a different track where it only kills 1 person?
Rorschach was morally superior, he was extremist with criminals because they deserved it. Yeah, he got out of hand with Moloch, and his biggest flaw were his political ideas (Alan Moore said that), he even defend The Comedian only because he worked for the government. I mean, I'm right-winger but I would never accept any kind of abuse of power.
To Sir Nils Olav and Samir Mayhua, first I would ask, was he really standing up for humans? Those 3 million were already dead, sticking to his inflexible code would only mean the rest of humanity would die. Placed in such a situation it is the most logical course to take if you value human life. Even Jon who is largely uncaring about humanity and its affairs could see that clearly. He doesn't care as much about humans as he despises what he thinks is immoral and wanting evil to be punished. He would rather all of humanity die if one person he deemed evil could be punished. I do not think he was "morally superior," as Samir claims. He talks about one instance in which he hurt 14 people needlessly to get information. Remember the story about Captain Carnage? The man who pretended to be a super villain only so he could live out his masochistic fantasies? Rorschach killed him by dropping him down an elevator shaft. Given his psychology I imagine he would have been disgusted by the sexual nature of his act. He brutally killed those two dogs because of the crimes of their owner. Along with his heavy handed treatment of the elderly Moloch, who was no longer a villain mind you, he chastised him for illegal prescription painkillers and an unregistered weapon. Neither of these have to do with his personal code, but rather, are simply enforcing the rules of society.... which he breaks constantly. He was quite hypocritical, specifically making exceptions for the Comedian, describing his attempted rape as a "moral lapse," yet he would never show one of his victims the same sympathy. Sure, we tend to have respect for those who live by a code. However, his code included torture and murder.... a code is simply a set of rules that is separate from morality. They can either align with moral behaviors or not. This is why he was able to have such an appreciation for the Comedian, who was the most amoral character in the comic.
This motion comic captures the feeling, atmosphere and philosophy of the best graphic novel of all time perfectly, no other adaptation of watchmen will ever beat this...simply perfection
@Disent Design thats the point!! You dont need to use any other voice actor, one voice actor narrating the story just like reading a comic, when you read a comic only you are reading it , you dont have another person read the female characters for you!!
@@Orthodox1911 I disagree. When a person reads a book, any book (not just comics), they hear that character's voice (albeit their closest interpretation). No one reads a book and hears their own half-assed attempt at that character's voice (no one that wants to, anyway). Besides, most motion comics have more than one voice actor. It might as well be the standard, and for the budget that went into this particular comic there's no reason they couldn't afford at least one extra voice actress.
Rorschach'S murder scene left alot to be desired from the voice actor. Movie did it better. This didnt sound like what i imagined in my head when i read "DO IT!"
Edgar Reyes ahah I know right. I imagined the movie version scream. But the narrator just sounded like a guy telling his buddy to jump into a pool or something or chug a small beer.
I find the parts where he attempts to do womens' voices to be cringy. I doubt they couldn't get another person to record those parts. All they women sound like a middle-aged Jewish guy. Haha
@@Puppy_Puppington lol. you guys never listened to a book on tape? i listened to clash of kings once and had like 20 chapters of an old man doing a 25 and 13 year old girl's voice.
Yeah, the guy reading the comic can't seem to emote beyond an inside-voice. Plus, his acting for Rorschach, as far as emoting goes, is pretty static, even for that particular character. Which is odd, because he certainly has some acting ability. I couldn't even tell it was one guy until Laurie's first line.
@@iggyeo6458 I wish people would stop comparing motion comics to audio books. Most motion comics have more than one voice actor. Besides, for the budget that went into making this particular motion comic should've been enough to get even a single extra voice actress.
For those of you thinking that Rosarch's journal is going to expose Ozymandias' plan, sorry but that simply doesn't make sense. Rosarch's last entry made absolutely no reference to Veit's genetic monster and even if Veit were to be charged with murdering Comedian and the other people he killed to keep quiet, it wouldn't be enough to cancel out his plan to trick the world. So the authors who later made it out to look like that was the case, made a mistake.
You're logic dosen't make sense lol. Rorshach could easily wrote the journal about the Giant Monster by Veit while traveling back to New York but Dr Manhattan prevented him from doing so because he died. If Rorshac got to New York and spoke to the Government about Veits plan and tell his journal then they would belive him and would end differently. It makes sense that only a genius such as Veit could do such thing and desing the giant genetic monster and Rorshac could tell the journal from the very begging to the end and pinpoint the location of Veits hideout and the government would eventually check it out and belive Rorshacs evidence. Why else did Dr Manhattan kill Rorshac?? He knows the future. If Rorshac somehow didn't have the evidence against the government then why else did Dr Manhattan kill Rorshac??
Nobody would have believed Rorshach anyway. He killed way too many people and escaped from prison. Plus they found all that propaganda in his house and he was slandered extremely already on top of it.
The things about the Watchmen story is that it was never meant to be a movie If I remember correctly it was deliberately written as a story which could/should only be told as a graphic novel But I think my personal problem with the film is that it's a lot less morally ambiguous than the graphic novel, which was one of the major appeals to the Watchmen story
I still don't understand how Sally hooked up with the Comedian after what he almost did to her the first time. And how she could still think very fondly of him, or maybe even love him.
@@_________________________7050 I think it's deeper than that too... But out of the gate harshness seems over the top. I prefer to think that this is a quantum miracle, the comedian was morally shakey but Rorschach knew he was seeing the world through a vicious lens, maybe Sally did too. Maybe she regretted it. Maybe she is just like her daughter and even though she walks into the conversation with strong conviction her emotions take her and let her feel, be alive in the moment and not act logically because that is what it means to truely be alive.
@@_________________________7050 imagine thinking that he was talking about allan Moore and not about how people's way of thinking were completely different in the 40's. Rape was common and swept under the rug most of the time back then. Women were blamed for their own rapes and told that was just a man being a man because it was thought they had certain urges they can not control. It's not a slight against allan Moore nor is he a saying be that Moore is glorifying it.
Even if his journal got published, would his story be accepted/believed? It was (maybe) published in the equivalent of Infowars and he was a known serial killer.
Well ... this is in New York after all ... maybe a certain real estate mogul reads the article in the New Frontiersman and decides to run for President ...
Maybe not widely accepted but it would be hard to deny that there are no people that idolize Rorschach and when someone publishes his secret memoir that not a single person would eat it all up and then dedicate their life to looking into it. Dan figured it out but following the trail, he isn't on the same level.of brilliant Ozzy or Jon are but he figured it out.
There is only Alan Moore’s Watchmen. Everything else is DC/HBO profiting off the Watchmen brand by churning out schlock. Don’t pretend the HBO series is canon just because Damon Lindadorf and DC tells you it is. Watchmen was written as a standalone work without prequels/sequels. That’s the vision that shaped it, that’s the context through which to understand it.
@Foul Gerbil "great reverence" In what respect? Because a costume doesn't include nipples and they included the squid monster? Those are details. Story/Theme matters more. Thematically, Watchmen (1986/2009) was a masterpiece of conflicting existentialist philosophies and an psychological exploration of the superhero confined to real human dilemmas. It reads like a great Russian novel. This new show is cheap PC drivel.
@@zachmorley158 the new show isn’t a direct sequel. It’s messages and exact themes don’t need to be exactly the same. And it’s really not PC. Unless PC means having a show that touches on racism and has a black female main character.
Informal Geek People are acting like the original Watchmen wasn’t political, which it is. It’s a series that deals with the Cold War and the fear of nuclear war wiping everyone out, a very common fear many people had during the time period. It has always been a comic that deals with political issues. If you want a comic that still delves in the whole “fear of global superpowers” thing, read Doomsday Clock, though it’s less relevant. The HBO series dealt with more pressing issues that were and currently are still going on in America. In the words of the film: “The times they are a-changing”
I think Rorschach’s death in the movie had way more impact and was far more gut-wrenching, and I loved Dr. Manhattans line “I can change almost anything....but I can’t change human nature”, and the way Rorschach just screams “DOOO IIITTT!” gave me chills.
@@tpose_dreamer Rorschach is the main protagonist of the Watchmen series and his death deserves to be impactful. He rejected the society where people lives in a false peace. Ozymandias and Dr. Manhattan disgraced mankind and destroyed it. No matter how cynical both Rorschach and Comedian are they are twice of what human beings should be. They gave their lives for those that have been killed by Ozymandias. They both tried to reveal the truth and died for it. Until the end the journal Rorschach placed on a news department has ton of evidence about what Ozymandias has done. This shows Rorschach a true hero and deserves a emotional death.
Eerie how it kinda parallels our world today. This is fictionalized of course.. but humanity is on its edge. Propaganda can be blamed. Fear can be blamed as well. No superheroes but definitely dirty work in the shadows
Yeah I like how rorshack chooses to die as Walter and not rorshack. Also he is my favourite charecter because if how complex he is. Also I know he is a sexist racist right wing nut case but I like how he is a deconstruction of Batman. I think the reason why rorshack is perceived as a cool charecter is because in the movie he is portrayed as a tragic hero. (Which I dont agree with because here he isnt)
Ben Nichol Well, he isn’t racist. The New Frontiersman used his journal to form their own propaganda, manipulating it to their own racist world views. Rorschach is still a flawed character who while meaning well, was willing to expose Veidt’s whole conspiracy in order to get him arrested for what he did and he is bigoted on other aspects of life but he’s not racist.
The movie is good ya know. But this is the best way other than reading it to really absorb and be immersed in this story. It's amazing and how it's bleak and pesamistic and also right at the end just a dash of optimism is just brilliant
13:04 the costumes, the geeky greek references, he is role playing, like at a convention he isn't that, like a serial killer who feels like a nerd, he is just trying to convince himself he is intimidating just a stupid brat playing dollhouse
I was never a fan of Gibbon's work- til I saw this. Not many comic guys' ink treatment would hold up under this kind of punishment. I keep this and examine it regularly.
Rorschach was a true hero and he die for what he believed in he knew the truth about the world it was cold and heartless but yet he chose not to hide in murders like Adrian did or cry for every little thing like night owls girlfriend did he wanted ppl to know the truth cause Rorschach knew in the end the world could never truly last in peace so why hide that from the world it will one day know .......its sad Rorschach out of all of them deserved to live but yet he dies and dies alone a true like him derved better I only wished that night owls girl friend would have died she was worthless she did nothing but cry, complain, and ask for so much from ppl she deserved death......R.I.P Rorschach
first off Rorschach best character second this was such a short sighted plan that it's a little upsetting no one points out the massive hole the fact that there's no fucking aliens and if any do show up now humans are hostile thus causing war we probably can't win
Ok so real aliens is a statistical improbability to the absolute extreme And yeah, there are no aliens, earth doesn’t know that. As far as they know an alien squid monster killed everyone in New York
@@flameshu2 the enemy is the threat of alien invasion. It’s a humanitarian crisis. That’s very much an enemy. Humanity now needs to deal with the threat of a repeat of that attack. Also, atleast if you go with the HBO series you have follow up mini “attacks” that keep the situation going.
Rorschach's death is not in vain! His journal was found and expose ozy's plans in doomsday clock if you read it the world is in brink of another nuclear war... Rorschach never compromise and he didn't fail he wins... Plus we have a new Rorschach
Its a right wing conspiracy paper written by a man who was revealed to me mentally scarred and a remorseful killer. His journal would be seen as unreliable accept maybe by the readers of the conspiracy paper.
when we take the time to consider that our "ends justify our means" we have to consider that Hitler and others like him may have been right and that we are no better ... just for an FYI, the word "Utopia" means "an imagined place" it's root comes from the Greek "ou" meaning not and "topos" meaning place, hence Utopia means "not a place" or a place that does not or ever will exist, even the ancient Greeks understood that ... nicely done Motion Comic ... thanks for sharing
I don’t know what to prefer- the comic’s ending has Nite Owl and Silk Spectre crying and also loving each other as they know they’ve lost big time. Having to accept the villain’s victory and also creation but the thing that bothers me the most is how careless Nite Owl is towards Rorschach death. The movie has Nite Owl literally cracking as soon as he dies. I felt their was more emotion within the film than comic.
It was more satisfying to have Nite Owl know and care about his old friend's death, but it doesn't jive with the characters. Anyone who'd decide that a costume makes them better than normal people has a bigger nasty selfish streak than most folks
Film Nite Owl is twice a good man than his comic counterpart despite being a lady's man which makes him lazy. It's honourable to have him know and see what happens to Rorschach.
I like how Manhattan in the movie at this part he has more development where he kisses laurie and they properly say bye to each other but I prefer the subtly of him just smiling at them because I thought "maybe there is a little humanity left in him after all."
veldt scrambled him even thought he could twist his hand later , because every regeneration weakened memory, he already attack sight with the nuclear thing, and Manhattan couldn't accept his peer would do this to him ugh
After coming to value life again why didn't dr. manhattan just harmlessly unmake all the worlds nuclear weapons in an instant and make everyone forget how to make them forever?!! Rorschach and all those people Adrian killed would still be alive if Adrian or manhattan had just realized this and it is within manhattan's power to do it. I am blaming the writer Alan Moore for this he wanted it to turn out the way it did when almost all of the deaths could have easily been avoided.
Technically Manhattan while not feeling human anymore still had limits. Nuclear power is one of his weaknesses, as its very similar to his powers, and can in fact nullify them. If a bit.
@@dodec8449 transcended? I think he said he was leaving the galaxy not universe but still he became omnipresent, a god (to his new creations) something he believes doesn't exist earlier in the narrative. Cyclic end for a distressing character...
Thank you for showing the Watchmen I love the comic book I even got the motion comic book on DVD I love watching it again I had a stuck in my library I forgot where it's at but thank you for putting this out there it is a very good read if anyone get the comic book lips original graphic novel by Jay Givens and Alan Moore is a very interesting read
From what I've heard it's a comic within a comic thing. The reason why its pirates is because superheroes are now uncool because of the real world events with in watchmen so people now do pirates. The story goes of a man who tried to save his village but became the evil he was trying to stop in the process. Like how Adrien tried to save everyone from the evil of mass destruction bur by doing so became the evil and realized what he did at the end. Which is why the last pannel of him shows him with his head to the wall alone and disconnected from the rest of the world.
Yeah, but did Rorshach say that the cops only had his notes and that his journal was the "final draft" I would think that would mean it's in plain English?
I love this Novel. So deep makes you think. I love the ending too. I also reads the Doomsday clock and I also loved the ending there. Watchmen really leaves you wanting for more.
While this film is nothing original...they have simply made the whole comic move...i still like it more than the 2009 film....atleast because the original drawings and words have remained and they had not been tampered with......just for the sake of revisiting the whole great comic, this film is worth watching.....Moore and Gibbons are indeed great
That could be an alternate viewpoint. As Batman said in The Dark Knight, "Sometimes, the truth isn't good enough. Sometimes people deserve more." At the end of Watchmen, one question is asked: Is it right to expose Adrian's plan to unite the world by killing millions to save billions now that it's already been accomplished? Some people would say yes, arguing that the people would be living a lie. Some would say no, arguing that it would mean destroying world peace. What would you say?
Everyone of us lives her or his individual lies anyway. I think it would be rather nonsensical to pick out this one of all the uncertainties, gaps in knowledge and lies one lives under, and solve it. There is just no other reason to do so, beside just being a nazi about it. Life is short and you have to set priorities.
Wcarman8000 He still won at the end the world is in peace but then that kid and his dad are writing a story about his journal since it was dropped off at the mail now the world will probably go back to the worrying times all over again.
@@alextorres4667 Though it is written in Doomsday Clock, an intelligent and, frankly, talented writer wouldn't have gone that way. Really, would you buy the ravings of a well-known serial killer because it was posted on Infowars? If so: don't have children.
Movie made mores sense as destruction not only happened in New York but all over the world. And having Dan and Laurie leaving the building rather than staying with the killer of innocent lives is more sensible than them staying and making love.
Rorshach’s journal he wrote down information and send it to the news report it’s either we say what happens in the end it counts all on us wether they tell what happen
Oz was such a fool. How could he be foolish enough to think that the world would be forever in peace? Like it'll last for how long? I always hated the ending of the comic because of that. 2 million died for nothing.
The goal wasn't permanent world peace. It was stopping ww3, or at least delaying it. It wasn't his fault they died in vain. It was Rorschach's retarded sense of morality.
If ozy wouldn't do that the world had ended by a WW3 (probably in days). Instead for what he did, he would give the world years of peace... or inclusive decades, Ozy is more hero than Rorscharch, Nite Owl or other character in the novel (And im saing this being Rorscharch my fav character) ... The only fool here are you
Why didn't they get any female voice actors like everyone's sounds the same? Wait cuz they are played by the same person but not like in an audiobook? I mean the animation is surprisingly pretty great but the voice acting got some work to do.
in the end rorschach wins i mean his journal was ready to be picked up at the end so i think and also rorschach is the best character because he is sort of flawed but with all his flaws he has the best characteristics in the sense no matter what he always follows through with himself
Rorschach was an amazing hero. With all his faults he clung to his ideals and beliefs above all else. But it wasn't enough. And no matter how sad i was about his death, He knew he wouldn't want to live in the Utopia. He must have known someone was going to stop him. I admire him for that. Keeping true to who you are till the end.
@@corning1 "Possible" peace, indeed... a peace based on lies and genocide. When people think of Rorschach as a bad guy for not wanting peace based on lies and genocide, that says more about them than it says about Rorschach. Rorschach may have been a scarred man, but he had a moral purity that was lacking in the other Watchmen. And he's by far one of my favorites because of that...
He's a hypocrite since he said dropping Little Boy and Fat Man was morally right for the people in those cities to suffer and die to prevent more death. iirc
@@OutOfTheBoxThinker But isn't that the mark of a true hero? The willingness to carry such mountainous sins on your back, staining your conscience for the rest of your life so that everyone else may live to see a better tomorrow? Regardless of what you think of Veidt's plan, those 3 million people are dead; exposing it will not only make their deaths meaningless, it'll turn the _possible_ peace into an assuredly finite one. Rorschach didn't care about everyone else; he just wanted to appease his own sense of moral superiority. And ultimately, that's really the point of his character. The black-and-white morality of superhero comics of the day, where good people are good, and bad people are bad, where the right thing is assuredly the right thing, and the wrong thing is definitely wrong, would not hold up in any world resembling ours. Yes, you fought for the truth; but you killed the human race and doomed the planet. "Moral purity" is certainly a common concept... But it cannot be found anywhere in Watchmen.
The production cuts out Dr. Manhattan's best lines in this chapter: "I've walked across the surface of the Sun. I've observed events so infinitesimal they could be said not to have happened at all. But you? You are just a man. And this world's smartest man means no more to me than does its smartest termite."
That sounds like a god to me
seems like that was written for the movie but not in the original graphic novel.
@@madnero5508 wrong.
I knew there was something missing!
Max Power No it was said right after Manhattan downsized and starting talking to ozymandias
Why is no one ever commenting on the incredible production value.
It’s the most amazing motion comic conversion I have ever seen.
@Stellvia Hoenheim Wouldn't the high production value be even less reason to justify it?
For all the budget that went into everything else, they couldn't afford a single extra voice actress?
Super man Red Son is good too
@Degree7 Why is having a single voice actor more preferable?
Why are the only options to have a single voice actor for all the characters or one voice actor for every character?
Why can't it be something in between?
And how would having more voice actors be more distracting than a single voice actor doing every voice, even the women?
@Degree7 How would that cause disruption in the flow of voices?
Is that not something that can be fixed through editing?
Why isn't this same disruption not present in other productions with multiple voice actors?
Also, do females not generally sound feminine?
Is it that much harder to find a female voice actor that sounds feminine than it is to find a male voice actor that sounds feminine?
Why is it sexist to want a female to do female characters?
Is that any more sexist than wanting a male to do male characters?
@Degree7 First of all, this isn't an audio book. Motion comics are drastically different from Audio books in terms of production and have a much larger budget because of that.
Second, this goes to show what you know about motion comics because most have more than one voice actor. Superman Red Son, Batman Black and White, Ultimate Wolverine vs Hulk, Iron Man Extremis, these are all motion comics with more than one voice actor and I can list off more if you want.
Third, the audio editing process for most productions involving multiple voice actors tends to be very similar to one another, regardless if it's a movie, cartoon, or motion comic. So I ask once again: What disruption are you referring to and how can't it be fixed through editing?
Fourth, don't straw man me. I never said I needed a full cast. There are plenty of voiced productions that reuse voice actors while still keeping everyone sounding unique because of the talent of the cast. Find one female voice actress who has even half as much talent as the guy they have working here already and I think I'd be fine.
Fifth, stop straw-manning me. I never said all female voice actresses had to voice exclusively female characters. But generally, females will sound more feminine than males will, which is why most productions will pick female voice actresses for female characters. That's why I suggested hiring a female voice actress because they'd more likely sound the part of most female characters than most male actors would. Certainly not the guy they already have.
And finally, maybe if you took the time to read my comment for more than a few seconds you might actually understand what I'm trying to say instead of some fallacious misinterpretation.
I love how there's no music in the desecrated New York seen. The cold, dead silence really sets the mood for what had happened. The major sound we hear the most is the ominous clock bells. Almost sounding like funeral bells.
Gives me serious chills.
Imagine how bone-chilling that would've been in a real life adaptation. That was the scene I was looking forward to most in the movie, lol
Eh. Would love it if it were to have a more Silent Hill music ambience. But I agree.
I kept expecting "Aerodynamic" to start playing.
I love the Irony of Veidt’s plan , and the brilliance of Allan Moore: To stage an alien invasion (a traditional comic book/sci fi gimmick) in order to save the world from nuclear war (a very real possibility during the Cold War) is highly symbolic. This series really flips the tables the superhero narrative genre. Next to The Incal, Watchmen is my favorite comic.
The Report from Iron Mountain
when i first watched the movie, and we got to see the first scenes on mars, i actually got the idea that the cold war could have been stopped by something to scare the people from mars. either i am a genius, or the movie/plot itself has a genius way of making that idea automatically come up through subtle hints...
Dave Jacob you’re not a genius, don’t fool yourself
The world has been saved countless times
It's kind of like current events 👍
Only Doctor Manhattan knows for sure that Rorschach is dead, maybe Veidt if it showed on security footage. Neither would tell anyone, and I doubt Dan and Laurie would want to talk about it. As far as everyone else in the world is aware, Rorschach broke out of jail in the Owlship and that's where his trail ends. I bet he becomes a new urban cryptid.
Some fucking batshit darkweb group: WHERE THE FUCK IS RORSCHACH?
@TheRelevantusername Watchmen HBO is calling
I support Rorshach's course of action because of a quote:
"It's true that the exposure of the truth will sometimes lead to tragedy,however I believe that that no matter how tragic the truth will be,it would be an even greater tragedy if someone were to avert their eyes from it."
I believe the people deserve to know the truth what happened and who was responsible.What they do with the truth is up to them.
That's the great thing about Watchmen,it leaves it up to you to decide who's right.
Let justice be done though the heavens fall.
@Aaron A420 Silk Spectre II is feminist.
@@matthewwhitney17and he gets to be a lawyer? What a sick joke!
Basically one of the messages of Watchmen. Who has the right to use power? To control others' lifes?
In the DC/Watchman crossover the new Rorschach chose to save Veidts life to make him face what he had done.
This was a very complex book, now I see why I was asked to read this for my criminal justice class.
So much to decipher, so much to ponder......
n543576 are you in the USA and what do you think of its criminal “justice”
Required to or just sort of recommended
Based professor making you read one of the greatest American literatures in history
@@JustinCage56American? No. British.
When you realize that his Rorschach papers are flying around
Find it hard to sympathise with ozymandias, he had too much sadistic fun with his plan and the motion comic really brought that out, makes it clear he done it to fulfil his own aspirations and ego.
You must've liked the part where he was happy his plan worked 😂😂😂😂
I think that's the whole point. I don't think you're supposed to like him.
@@darbo1701 yeah like from a ethical and rational approach I guess you could say it was the correct thing to do but from a moral pov it’s not
There is no difference between doing what is right and what is necessary.
I fail to see the part where he ever shows enjoyment from the killing, if anything i just see a man in despair at the possibility of the human race being wiped out by nuclear holocaust.
Does anyone else think the way that Laurie talks about wearing a leather costume with a gun is hinting at her becoming the next Comedian?
Man, this works for the TV show too, old Laurie is so much like her father later in life.
They already implied it in Antarctica, with how her running mascara looked like her father's scar when she shot Adrien
I believe she indeed became the next Comedian. Telling jokes and being sarcastic to everyone.
I thought it was a crack at Dan's first love, the Twilight Lady
I thought it was ironically predictive of the 90s "edgy" phase that comics entered kinda because of Watchmen's darker themes. I immediatly thought of Spawn and the X-Men movies
Then the U.S. invaded Iraq based on the pretext that they were working with the aliens.
Yea in real life this whole narrative falls apart when you learn history. it was/is mainly the usa keeping thr world teetering on the brink of war
I love how they all start to compromise and Rorschach still sticks to his values.
He was a man who had such a grim view of human beings, thought they were selfish and cruel. We never see him witness kindness from one person to another that was not Nite Owl.
And yet... and yet he was the one who could not stand by as others were silent of Veidt's crimes. Maybe he thought back to those people in the apartments who were silent.
Still, this man who saw nothing redeemable about humans, was the one who stood up for them when all the other heroes fell silent.
A true hero
The people in the appartments were silent for a different reason. They wouldn't start a nuclear war when helping Kitty Genovese.
The point of Watchmen is: are Veidt's deeds really crimes? If you see a trolley riding towards a group of 3 people, is it wrong to make it change to a different track where it only kills 1 person?
@@dodec8449 and thats why Watchmen is so great it makes you think and question who was the true villain
@@dodec8449 Evil must be punished.
Rorschach was morally superior, he was extremist with criminals because they deserved it. Yeah, he got out of hand with Moloch, and his biggest flaw were his political ideas (Alan Moore said that), he even defend The Comedian only because he worked for the government. I mean, I'm right-winger but I would never accept any kind of abuse of power.
To Sir Nils Olav and Samir Mayhua, first I would ask, was he really standing up for humans? Those 3 million were already dead, sticking to his inflexible code would only mean the rest of humanity would die. Placed in such a situation it is the most logical course to take if you value human life. Even Jon who is largely uncaring about humanity and its affairs could see that clearly. He doesn't care as much about humans as he despises what he thinks is immoral and wanting evil to be punished. He would rather all of humanity die if one person he deemed evil could be punished.
I do not think he was "morally superior," as Samir claims. He talks about one instance in which he hurt 14 people needlessly to get information. Remember the story about Captain Carnage? The man who pretended to be a super villain only so he could live out his masochistic fantasies? Rorschach killed him by dropping him down an elevator shaft. Given his psychology I imagine he would have been disgusted by the sexual nature of his act.
He brutally killed those two dogs because of the crimes of their owner. Along with his heavy handed treatment of the elderly Moloch, who was no longer a villain mind you, he chastised him for illegal prescription painkillers and an unregistered weapon. Neither of these have to do with his personal code, but rather, are simply enforcing the rules of society.... which he breaks constantly. He was quite hypocritical, specifically making exceptions for the Comedian, describing his attempted rape as a "moral lapse," yet he would never show one of his victims the same sympathy.
Sure, we tend to have respect for those who live by a code. However, his code included torture and murder.... a code is simply a set of rules that is separate from morality. They can either align with moral behaviors or not. This is why he was able to have such an appreciation for the Comedian, who was the most amoral character in the comic.
This motion comic captures the feeling, atmosphere and philosophy of the best graphic novel of all time perfectly, no other adaptation of watchmen will ever beat this...simply perfection
@Disent Design thats the point!! You dont need to use any other voice actor, one voice actor narrating the story just like reading a comic, when you read a comic only you are reading it , you dont have another person read the female characters for you!!
Disent Design what lines were removed?
@@jacksonw453 just a few of them, ones that are very pulpy and don't drive the story at all.
@@Orthodox1911 I disagree. When a person reads a book, any book (not just comics), they hear that character's voice (albeit their closest interpretation). No one reads a book and hears their own half-assed attempt at that character's voice (no one that wants to, anyway).
Besides, most motion comics have more than one voice actor. It might as well be the standard, and for the budget that went into this particular comic there's no reason they couldn't afford at least one extra voice actress.
@Disent Design Glad to see someone's actually listening
: )
I love the complete morbid silence and just hearing the clock tower ringing at the beginning. It's definitely what I imagined hearing in the comic.
Rorschach'S murder scene left alot to be desired from the voice actor. Movie did it better. This didnt sound like what i imagined in my head when i read "DO IT!"
Edgar Reyes ahah I know right. I imagined the movie version scream. But the narrator just sounded like a guy telling his buddy to jump into a pool or something or chug a small beer.
I find the parts where he attempts to do womens' voices to be cringy. I doubt they couldn't get another person to record those parts. All they women sound like a middle-aged Jewish guy. Haha
@@Puppy_Puppington lol.
you guys never listened to a book on tape?
i listened to clash of kings once and had like 20 chapters of an old man doing a 25 and 13 year old girl's voice.
Yeah, the guy reading the comic can't seem to emote beyond an inside-voice.
Plus, his acting for Rorschach, as far as emoting goes, is pretty static, even for that particular character.
Which is odd, because he certainly has some acting ability. I couldn't even tell it was one guy until Laurie's first line.
@@iggyeo6458 I wish people would stop comparing motion comics to audio books.
Most motion comics have more than one voice actor. Besides, for the budget that went into making this particular motion comic should've been enough to get even a single extra voice actress.
only just occured to me that Manhattan doesn't kill Rorschach - he kills Kovacs
Yes, rorschach choose to die as Kovacs
I feel like this has changed me
For those of you thinking that Rosarch's journal is going to expose Ozymandias' plan, sorry but that simply doesn't make sense. Rosarch's last entry made absolutely no reference to Veit's genetic monster and even if Veit were to be charged with murdering Comedian and the other people he killed to keep quiet, it wouldn't be enough to cancel out his plan to trick the world. So the authors who later made it out to look like that was the case, made a mistake.
You're logic dosen't make sense lol.
Rorshach could easily wrote the journal about the Giant Monster by Veit while traveling back to New York but Dr Manhattan prevented him from doing so because he died.
If Rorshac got to New York and spoke to the Government about Veits plan and tell his journal then they would belive him and would end differently. It makes sense that only a genius such as Veit could do such thing and desing the giant genetic monster and Rorshac could tell the journal from the very begging to the end and pinpoint the location of Veits hideout and the government would eventually check it out and belive Rorshacs evidence.
Why else did Dr Manhattan kill Rorshac?? He knows the future. If Rorshac somehow didn't have the evidence against the government then why else did Dr Manhattan kill Rorshac??
“In the end?” Nothing ends, Adrian. Nothing ever ends.
Hats off to Tom Stechschulte. He did an amazing, ambitious job here.
Nobody would have believed Rorshach anyway. He killed way too many people and escaped from prison. Plus they found all that propaganda in his house and he was slandered extremely already on top of it.
The things about the Watchmen story is that it was never meant to be a movie
If I remember correctly it was deliberately written as a story which could/should only be told as a graphic novel
But I think my personal problem with the film is that it's a lot less morally ambiguous than the graphic novel, which was one of the major appeals to the Watchmen story
That was epic, really well translated and fun.
Wow 1:28 the day the earth stood still. Gotta love the irony.
Alan Moore was a bloody genius. Too bad the comic book industry took much his creative energies.
done, I binge 1-12 what an adventure thanks for narrating 💯
I still don't understand how Sally hooked up with the Comedian after what he almost did to her the first time.
And how she could still think very fondly of him, or maybe even love him.
1940's morality ... 'Boys will be boys'
Believe it or not, but rape within marriage was not illegal during those days.
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I think it's deeper than that too... But out of the gate harshness seems over the top.
I prefer to think that this is a quantum miracle, the comedian was morally shakey but Rorschach knew he was seeing the world through a vicious lens, maybe Sally did too. Maybe she regretted it. Maybe she is just like her daughter and even though she walks into the conversation with strong conviction her emotions take her and let her feel, be alive in the moment and not act logically because that is what it means to truely be alive.
@@_________________________7050 He is talking about the characters, not about Moore. Asshole.
@@_________________________7050 imagine thinking that he was talking about allan Moore and not about how people's way of thinking were completely different in the 40's. Rape was common and swept under the rug most of the time back then. Women were blamed for their own rapes and told that was just a man being a man because it was thought they had certain urges they can not control. It's not a slight against allan Moore nor is he a saying be that Moore is glorifying it.
_________________________ smh
Even if his journal got published, would his story be accepted/believed? It was (maybe) published in the equivalent of Infowars and he was a known serial killer.
It was believed in the current Issue called Doomsday clock. DC canonically merged the watchmen with DC.
Well ... this is in New York after all ... maybe a certain real estate mogul reads the article in the New Frontiersman and decides to run for President ...
Maybe not widely accepted but it would be hard to deny that there are no people that idolize Rorschach and when someone publishes his secret memoir that not a single person would eat it all up and then dedicate their life to looking into it. Dan figured it out but following the trail, he isn't on the same level.of brilliant Ozzy or Jon are but he figured it out.
@@overalwin It's not approved by Moore so it might as well be trite
Sketch Stevens but the company approved and it is a good story so I’d check it out if I were you.
This maybe the day the Cold War died but the day Looking Glass was born.
There is only Alan Moore’s Watchmen. Everything else is DC/HBO profiting off the Watchmen brand by churning out schlock. Don’t pretend the HBO series is canon just because Damon Lindadorf and DC tells you it is. Watchmen was written as a standalone work without prequels/sequels. That’s the vision that shaped it, that’s the context through which to understand it.
@Foul Gerbil "great reverence" In what respect? Because a costume doesn't include nipples and they included the squid monster? Those are details. Story/Theme matters more. Thematically, Watchmen (1986/2009) was a masterpiece of conflicting existentialist philosophies and an psychological exploration of the superhero confined to real human dilemmas. It reads like a great Russian novel. This new show is cheap PC drivel.
That attempt at woke fan fiction sucked. It got nominated for all the Emmy's cause Hollywood is virtue signaling that they aren't racist anymore.
@@zachmorley158 the new show isn’t a direct sequel. It’s messages and exact themes don’t need to be exactly the same.
And it’s really not PC. Unless PC means having a show that touches on racism and has a black female main character.
Informal Geek People are acting like the original Watchmen wasn’t political, which it is. It’s a series that deals with the Cold War and the fear of nuclear war wiping everyone out, a very common fear many people had during the time period. It has always been a comic that deals with political issues. If you want a comic that still delves in the whole “fear of global superpowers” thing, read Doomsday Clock, though it’s less relevant. The HBO series dealt with more pressing issues that were and currently are still going on in America. In the words of the film: “The times they are a-changing”
That creature still haunts me and fascinates me at the same time.
Imagine if you cosplayed as the monster for the premier of the Snyder movie
@@ischeele7203the squid sucks
And also a mask. She's gonna be the next comedian.
correct, she was in the new tv show
I think Rorschach’s death in the movie had way more impact and was far more gut-wrenching, and I loved Dr. Manhattans line “I can change almost anything....but I can’t change human nature”, and the way Rorschach just screams “DOOO IIITTT!” gave me chills.
In the comic Rorschachs death is shit because the character is shit and doesn't deserve a big death. Snyder is fucking awful.
@@tpose_dreamer ??? You just contradicted yourself bruh
@@tpose_dreamer Rorschach is the main protagonist of the Watchmen series and his death deserves to be impactful. He rejected the society where people lives in a false peace. Ozymandias and Dr. Manhattan disgraced mankind and destroyed it. No matter how cynical both Rorschach and Comedian are they are twice of what human beings should be. They gave their lives for those that have been killed by Ozymandias. They both tried to reveal the truth and died for it. Until the end the journal Rorschach placed on a news department has ton of evidence about what Ozymandias has done. This shows Rorschach a true hero and deserves a emotional death.
@@tpose_dreamer 0 original thought.
Just mind-slave of some fraud RUclipsr
@@tpose_dreamer...Seems like you only know the PATHETIC HBO WATCHMEN
Eerie how it kinda parallels our world today. This is fictionalized of course.. but humanity is on its edge. Propaganda can be blamed. Fear can be blamed as well. No superheroes but definitely dirty work in the shadows
Man Jon wasn't playing 😂 he killed him after Rorschach after ask only two times
Yeah I like how rorshack chooses to die as Walter and not rorshack. Also he is my favourite charecter because if how complex he is. Also I know he is a sexist racist right wing nut case but I like how he is a deconstruction of Batman. I think the reason why rorshack is perceived as a cool charecter is because in the movie he is portrayed as a tragic hero. (Which I dont agree with because here he isnt)
Ben Nichol Well, he isn’t racist. The New Frontiersman used his journal to form their own propaganda, manipulating it to their own racist world views. Rorschach is still a flawed character who while meaning well, was willing to expose Veidt’s whole conspiracy in order to get him arrested for what he did and he is bigoted on other aspects of life but he’s not racist.
@@Materminds187 I like that idea but , I stop watching once the main character says " I smell bleach"
joshua Skywalker It’s been said by the people behind the show but okay.
@@Materminds187 nah I know , I'm just saying I don't dig the show
That opening scene of this chapter , the feeling of loss and failure is what was missing on the movie
The movie is good ya know. But this is the best way other than reading it to really absorb and be immersed in this story. It's amazing and how it's bleak and pesamistic and also right at the end just a dash of optimism is just brilliant
13:04 the costumes, the geeky greek references, he is role playing, like at a convention
he isn't that, like a serial killer who feels like a nerd, he is just trying to convince himself he is intimidating
just a stupid brat playing dollhouse
17:59 Rorschach didnt die in costume
26:22
What a ride
Thanks for the upload!
i'm so sleepy... i think i'll lay down for a while.
Jon doesn't give cancer or turns into a car.
glorious work, thanks for this.
missed my train but well worth it.
Look at his "try me" look at 05:42
I was never a fan of Gibbon's work- til I saw this. Not many comic guys' ink treatment would hold up under this kind of punishment. I keep this and examine it regularly.
Many thanks for the uploads.
Truly a masterpiece, one worth returning to everytime
Rorschach was a true hero and he die for what he believed in he knew the truth about the world it was cold and heartless but yet he chose not to hide in murders like Adrian did or cry for every little thing like night owls girlfriend did he wanted ppl to know the truth cause Rorschach knew in the end the world could never truly last in peace so why hide that from the world it will one day know .......its sad Rorschach out of all of them deserved to live but yet he dies and dies alone a true like him derved better I only wished that night owls girl friend would have died she was worthless she did nothing but cry, complain, and ask for so much from ppl she deserved death......R.I.P Rorschach
You should read Doomsday Clock. Rorschach's journal surfaced and by the mid-1990s, the world of watchmen is on the brink of nuclear war.
Never noticed how useless silk spectre was until i read this comment
Yea she didn't do anything except complain or cry the whole comic@@humphrey3056
That girlfriend of night owl is a demanding selfish cunt always treating Jon like her personal assistant and running from situations at hand
@@tttable1270 damn, you do have some serious psychological issues. you should search for help. grow some self-worth and get soft.
This is great stuff. Only saw the film once - liked it. But this is incredible.
Thanks for this.
WHO CLOCKS THE CLOCKMEN?
The ending is just perfect
first off Rorschach best character second this was such a short sighted plan that it's a little upsetting no one points out the massive hole the fact that there's no fucking aliens and if any do show up now humans are hostile thus causing war we probably can't win
Ok so real aliens is a statistical improbability to the absolute extreme
And yeah, there are no aliens, earth doesn’t know that. As far as they know an alien squid monster killed everyone in New York
@@informalgeek1196 the problem is there's no enemy So there's no uniting force
@@flameshu2 the enemy is the threat of alien invasion.
It’s a humanitarian crisis.
That’s very much an enemy. Humanity now needs to deal with the threat of a repeat of that attack.
Also, atleast if you go with the HBO series you have follow up mini “attacks” that keep the situation going.
This is a terrible plan
What is Ozymandias dreaming about swimming towards @ the 19:40 mark, could it be the black freighter?
yes. the story of the black freighter symbolizes Veidt's struggle to save what he cherishes but becoming the monster he races against in the process.
Rorschach's death is not in vain! His journal was found and expose ozy's plans in doomsday clock if you read it the world is in brink of another nuclear war...
Rorschach never compromise and he didn't fail he wins...
Plus we have a new Rorschach
Who's the new Rorschach?
@Tobacco Connoisseur Wow, that's odd. Thanks btw, man!
What i what to see is the aftermath of if Rorshach journal is publish.
Ya it is in the whole collection you get what is the autobiography of Rorschach telling his story and journeys it's nice
That's doomsday clock
HBO now doing series. Hopefully set after Rorschachs journal published.
IT'S HAPPENING IN THE NEW SERIES!
Its a right wing conspiracy paper written by a man who was revealed to me mentally scarred and a remorseful killer. His journal would be seen as unreliable accept maybe by the readers of the conspiracy paper.
I guess Rorschach had the real last laugh ehh?
Or Doc Manhattan did by messing with Adrien before leaving
@Aaron A420 He does, as seen in The Doomsday Clock
I mean, he did choose to give them to New Frontiersman, so......
WHO BATS THE BATMAN?
do it...DO IIIIT...KILLL MEEEE
Awesome!!!!!! Thank you for posting these up... Semper Fi!
Thanks a million!
when we take the time to consider that our "ends justify our means" we have to consider that Hitler and others like him may have been right and that we are no better ... just for an FYI, the word "Utopia" means "an imagined place" it's root comes from the Greek "ou" meaning not and "topos" meaning place, hence Utopia means "not a place" or a place that does not or ever will exist, even the ancient Greeks understood that ... nicely done Motion Comic ... thanks for sharing
Is the soundtrack of this thing available anywhere?
Tragic, Rorschach died for being the only real hero among them. But he got the last laugh in the end.
I really love how people can agree and disagree with the morality of almost every character, and none of them are completely wrong in doing so.
@@foxboi327that's how you know it's a good story. Something for everyone.
@@deece1482 you couldn’t be more right
Rorchach was right, not to compromise
because there is no end
just becuase you make. them behave doesn't mean they are good
I don’t know what to prefer- the comic’s ending has Nite Owl and Silk Spectre crying and also loving each other as they know they’ve lost big time. Having to accept the villain’s victory and also creation but the thing that bothers me the most is how careless Nite Owl is towards Rorschach death. The movie has Nite Owl literally cracking as soon as he dies. I felt their was more emotion within the film than comic.
It was more satisfying to have Nite Owl know and care about his old friend's death, but it doesn't jive with the characters. Anyone who'd decide that a costume makes them better than normal people has a bigger nasty selfish streak than most folks
Film Nite Owl is twice a good man than his comic counterpart despite being a lady's man which makes him lazy. It's honourable to have him know and see what happens to Rorschach.
@@ischeele7203 what
I like how Manhattan in the movie at this part he has more development where he kisses laurie and they properly say bye to each other but I prefer the subtly of him just smiling at them because I thought "maybe there is a little humanity left in him after all."
veldt scrambled him even thought he could twist his hand later , because every regeneration weakened memory, he already attack sight with the nuclear thing, and Manhattan couldn't accept his peer would do this to him
ugh
Also, I didn’t remember that Laurie was ready for more Jon but he seemed to be gone.
So she boned the Nite Owl.
They are good writers because they take silly concepts and create cool stories with it.
After coming to value life again why didn't dr. manhattan just harmlessly unmake all the worlds nuclear weapons in an instant and make everyone forget how to make them forever?!! Rorschach and all those people Adrian killed would still be alive if Adrian or manhattan had just realized this and it is within manhattan's power to do it. I am blaming the writer Alan Moore for this he wanted it to turn out the way it did when almost all of the deaths could have easily been avoided.
Technically Manhattan while not feeling human anymore still had limits. Nuclear power is one of his weaknesses, as its very similar to his powers, and can in fact nullify them. If a bit.
Ehm
No it doesn't work Like That
Hè cane change Hunan mind he can controllo the atoms
So Dr. Manhattan goes to an other galaxy to create life ???
I don't think he can.
1993geekboy he committed suicide
***** he cant die
1993geekboy but he "left the universe"
@@dodec8449 transcended?
I think he said he was leaving the galaxy not universe but still he became omnipresent, a god (to his new creations) something he believes doesn't exist earlier in the narrative. Cyclic end for a distressing character...
"I will give you bodies beyond your wildest imagining."
Thank you for showing the Watchmen I love the comic book I even got the motion comic book on DVD I love watching it again I had a stuck in my library I forgot where it's at but thank you for putting this out there it is a very good read if anyone get the comic book lips original graphic novel by Jay Givens and Alan Moore is a very interesting read
Bryant Hardin I own it on iTunes and dvd. This is convenient.
Very good and it made more sense than the film. Still, I never understood the Black Freighter business though. Anyone?
I think the main character of the Black Freighter was supposed to represent Adrian.
From what I've heard it's a comic within a comic thing. The reason why its pirates is because superheroes are now uncool because of the real world events with in watchmen so people now do pirates. The story goes of a man who tried to save his village but became the evil he was trying to stop in the process. Like how Adrien tried to save everyone from the evil of mass destruction bur by doing so became the evil and realized what he did at the end. Which is why the last pannel of him shows him with his head to the wall alone and disconnected from the rest of the world.
Waiting for Hells Bells to start
god this was so lifechanging and probably the best comics book ever . what a fucking masterpiece
no, the movie was truly special... the best comic book movie to date
the movie was awesome. agreed.
Pretty good work, i just wish you could have found one female voice actor😬
Yeah, but did Rorshach say that the cops only had his notes and that his journal was the "final draft" I would think that would mean it's in plain English?
I love this Novel. So deep makes you think. I love the ending too. I also reads the Doomsday clock and I also loved the ending there. Watchmen really leaves you wanting for more.
While this film is nothing original...they have simply made the whole comic move...i still like it more than the 2009 film....atleast because the original drawings and words have remained and they had not been tampered with......just for the sake of revisiting the whole great comic, this film is worth watching.....Moore and Gibbons are indeed great
I would have liked the movie way better if they had had that part were Rorschach looked for that girl and killed that his dogs and burned him to death
they did
Would have been a lot better if they actually hired more than one fucking voice actor.
I hope being disappointed isn’t contagious.
@@AgentMorgan2010 In a way it's an audio book. It's supposed to have 1 voice actor.
Be cool if bubastis reformed into Dr. Manhattan’s godlike pet
That could be an alternate viewpoint. As Batman said in The Dark Knight, "Sometimes, the truth isn't good enough. Sometimes people deserve more."
At the end of Watchmen, one question is asked: Is it right to expose Adrian's plan to unite the world by killing millions to save billions now that it's already been accomplished?
Some people would say yes, arguing that the people would be living a lie. Some would say no, arguing that it would mean destroying world peace.
What would you say?
Everyone of us lives her or his individual lies anyway. I think it would be rather nonsensical to pick out this one of all the uncertainties, gaps in knowledge and lies one lives under, and solve it. There is just no other reason to do so, beside just being a nazi about it. Life is short and you have to set priorities.
I didn't want Rorschach to die. :( D:
He had to die.
Wcarman8000 He still won at the end the world is in peace but then that kid and his dad are writing a story about his journal since it was dropped off at the mail now the world will probably go back to the worrying times all over again.
@@alextorres4667 Though it is written in Doomsday Clock, an intelligent and, frankly, talented writer wouldn't have gone that way. Really, would you buy the ravings of a well-known serial killer because it was posted on Infowars? If so: don't have children.
He understand veidt plan
But he can't live in a world of lies
So he prefers die
BRO YOU HAVEN'T POSTED IN 12 YEARS WHERE ARE YOU!?!?!?😂😂😂
Movie made mores sense as destruction not only happened in New York but all over the world. And having Dan and Laurie leaving the building rather than staying with the killer of innocent lives is more sensible than them staying and making love.
I wonder at which point roeshak started crying
I always imagined that final line do to be said much different
Rorshach’s journal he wrote down information and send it to the news report it’s either we say what happens in the end it counts all on us wether they tell what happen
in the comic books Manhattan wasn't framed as the one to've done it.
What a great motion comic
It's hard hearing Jon talk about nothing ever ending and not think about DC Rebirth, The Button, and Doomsday Clock.
Oz was such a fool. How could he be foolish enough to think that the world would be forever in peace? Like it'll last for how long?
I always hated the ending of the comic because of that. 2 million died for nothing.
Ozymandias is nuts
It worked long enough to hold off World War 3 but yeah, dude is bonkers
15 million
The goal wasn't permanent world peace. It was stopping ww3, or at least delaying it. It wasn't his fault they died in vain. It was Rorschach's retarded sense of morality.
If ozy wouldn't do that the world had ended by a WW3 (probably in days).
Instead for what he did, he would give the world years of peace... or inclusive decades, Ozy is more hero than Rorscharch, Nite Owl or other character in the novel (And im saing this being Rorscharch my fav character)
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The only fool here are you
Why didn't they get any female voice actors like everyone's sounds the same? Wait cuz they are played by the same person but not like in an audiobook? I mean the animation is surprisingly pretty great but the voice acting got some work to do.
IIIII DIIIID IIIIIT!!!!
in the end rorschach wins i mean his journal was ready to be picked up at the end so i think and also rorschach is the best character because he is sort of flawed but with all his flaws he has the best characteristics in the sense no matter what he always follows through with himself
rhys oneill
His journal is in the crank pile because it was rejected before. It could happen again.
Man you need to make more of those this was epic
I wonder if bubastis will come back
I desperately need the music from the opening of these episodes. Can't find it on the soundtrack. Anyone?
Rorschach was an amazing hero. With all his faults he clung to his ideals and beliefs above all else. But it wasn't enough. And no matter how sad i was about his death, He knew he wouldn't want to live in the Utopia. He must have known someone was going to stop him. I admire him for that. Keeping true to who you are till the end.
He was going to destroy possible peace in the world and plunge it back into the abyss of nuclear war. You respect that?
@@corning1 "Possible" peace, indeed... a peace based on lies and genocide. When people think of Rorschach as a bad guy for not wanting peace based on lies and genocide, that says more about them than it says about Rorschach. Rorschach may have been a scarred man, but he had a moral purity that was lacking in the other Watchmen. And he's by far one of my favorites because of that...
He's a hypocrite since he said dropping Little Boy and Fat Man was morally right for the people in those cities to suffer and die to prevent more death. iirc
@@OutOfTheBoxThinker But isn't that the mark of a true hero? The willingness to carry such mountainous sins on your back, staining your conscience for the rest of your life so that everyone else may live to see a better tomorrow?
Regardless of what you think of Veidt's plan, those 3 million people are dead; exposing it will not only make their deaths meaningless, it'll turn the _possible_ peace into an assuredly finite one.
Rorschach didn't care about everyone else; he just wanted to appease his own sense of moral superiority. And ultimately, that's really the point of his character.
The black-and-white morality of superhero comics of the day, where good people are good, and bad people are bad, where the right thing is assuredly the right thing, and the wrong thing is definitely wrong, would not hold up in any world resembling ours. Yes, you fought for the truth; but you killed the human race and doomed the planet. "Moral purity" is certainly a common concept... But it cannot be found anywhere in Watchmen.
@@OutOfTheBoxThinker "moral purity"
...uh huh
17:20 heartbreaking
what is the name of the song playing @25:04?