I was able to snag a pair of C5 650 components this month and I can't wait to install them. I talked to a JL rep and they said they're currently working on a C5 replacement, but I heard the "current" C5s in a demo and I loved the sound signature, so I didn't want to chance not liking the new ones
That's awesome!!!!! Yeah I heard from a rep that sold me the last pair of 3 way C5s they had at Car Toys via facebook From Somewhere in Navada that said a JL Sales tep said they were making a C6 model to replace the C5s but I'm not sure how well those C6s are going to sound. The C5s sound amazing and practically work well with all types of music. 😎👊
Nice setup bro! I love my c7. I also have a the 3 way setup. I'm using the dwk-88 DSP but I'm using an Audiocontrol lc-6.1200 amp to run mine. I run my c7-650 from 60hz to 700hz 24db with no issues. I think running it past 5k could of been a bit overkill on them tho.
Hey bro thanks for your videos. I’m currently in the middle of a c3 build for my f150. I hope they sound good they were expensive. Covid really brought the price up on Jl speakers
@St. Pete Beach Charters hi yes I have!!!!!!! They have a really nice midbass sound to them, since they come with the Crossover over you should be good with a amp that can do 100 watts rms per channel. This will work great for those. As for pricing, yes I agree 100% the pandemic definitely caused a HUGE spike in pricing on speakers, amps, MDF, Acrylic, ABS and even Vinyl fabric. 😳
Bruh!…first off when you’re installing quality components like you have, it’s utmost that you completely sound deadened your doors ,it is what it is…it makes a world of difference , hopefully you got the main issue resolved ✌🏿
Hi sean, the doors have already been fully sound deadened. However, since im not sponsored by these deadening companies like the other youtubers that are in this field are, it took me some time to save another $1K for more Sound Deadener. As someone who's been in the field for a little more than 2 decades i know sound deadener makes a world of difference, in previous videos i made while doing this project i did install two different types of sound Deadener, knu konceptz and sound shield they both have their benefits, i explained the importance of having multiple layers of it to reduce noise and vibration as much as possible vs only using 1 layer and not really hearing the difference. this SQL project was quite expensive and from what ive been hearing, my system is out of most people's reach, i understand them 100% as it took me some time to complete it since i only have one income coming in and used credit cards irresponsibly 😅, i couldn't do it all in one hit. I also felt this crazy amount of pressure to rush the installation and get it playing for everyone who was interested in this build. As for the issue with the driver, yep, after the replacement was sent, i figured out the problem and worked on resolving it. Thank you very much for watching my video of this issue, i appreciate it a lot. 🙏🙇♂️
@@THEAVERAGEGUY1983 , hey I totally understand what you’re saying, the shop I used hit me for just over 1k but I actually had saved up for a $1300 budget for a ll four doors, so I took my savings and got on Amazon and I bought 1 box of deadner for $63 and finished the rest of my vehicle, which saved me over $1300 by doing it myself, I think you said you’ve spent 14k on your system and my budget was for 10k but I’m over 11k now, this ain’t no cheap hobby we’re into bruh….njoy those sounds 👍🏿
Also, watch your torque on the mounting too! two screws tighter can misalign the voice coil and cause it to heat up and start to bind! Just my 2 cents Brother! OORAH, Didn't make the Cali trip either! (Got a Pulmonary Embolism in the left lung and was hospitalized.) Next time Brother!
Aw man I hope your doing better now. Hopefully I'll have this properly done by the time you come by. Apparently this Full Active System is always looking for ways to improve lol
@mqweihgbhkgfvj yep it solved nothing. All the other speakers worked 100%. I already got a replacement under warranty from JL Audio, but they never gave me feedback on their findings because of their strict R&D department. But the new speaker is working good. 😎👍 i still want to swap amps and with the VXis and remove the TWK88s that till this day still randomly shut down on their own for no reason at all. Very faulty DSPs.
@@THEAVERAGEGUY1983 cool. i had a c2 6inch comp set and the tweeter blew with it set to the -3db setting on the passives. the amp i was using was an XTANT X603 at 75 watt x2. werent overpowering them.
What would you recommend for my 06 Cadillac Escalade, thinking of doing the front door speakers 🔊jl audio c7’s and adding D pillar pods to run the 6 1/2’s c7’s as well, can’t put c7’s on the rear passenger doors according to crutchfield website but idk what do you think? Also want to know what jl audio amp to run or any other brand you recommend?
Hi, apologies for the late reply, if you go with the C7s i highly recommend the VXi line of amps this way you can give them exactly the power they can handle and have a DSP built in so you dont have to worry about adding extra equipment to your ride. As for the rear doors of the 06 escalade they use 5.25" speakers but i believe that if you were to customize your bracket and also remove some of the plastic trim from the door panel its self you should be able to fit a 6.5". Crutchfield told me all i could fit on my flex were 5x7s or 5.25s with an adapter but i was able to fit 6.5s by making my own brackets. I can actually fit up to an 8 inch midbass driver on my front doors but i do have to slightly modify my door panel a bit to get it to fit and not rub. 😎👌
@@THEAVERAGEGUY1983 thanks for the response, so if I would do all 6 1/2 c7 and the 2 1” c7 tweeters what VXI amp do you recommend? Subs I’ll be running my 2 kenwood KFC-xw1200f Excelon 12’s I had in my s10 and amp kenwood KAC-9105D they sounded pretty good when I had them installed , current head unit that is in the Escalade is a kenwood Excelon DDX9907XR
@MrLowrider3 if you are going with a 2 way Component set for your front doors and perhaps the rear doors, i would get a VX800/8i to power all the speakers. If you are going to do a 3 way set up in the front doors and A pillars, door speakers on the rear doors and lets say you do 2 speakers on each D pillar like i did on mine with the 3.5" and tweeters, i would get 2 VX800/8i amps and use channels 1 and 2 for the tweeters, channels 3 and 4 foe the midrange and channels 5+6 bridged to midbass speaker on the left amd channels 7+8 bridged to the midbass speaker on the right and do the same foe the rear, this way you will have some strong midbass on your doors and good clean sound coming out of your A pillr and D pillar speakers as dose dont require too much power to work well. In fact, my amps are too strong for my A-pillar and D-pillar speakers, and I wish i would have listened to myself instead of going with jl telling me to get the more expensive amps at the time lol. 150 watts rms is way too much headroom for those little tweeters and midrange speakers, lol. The doors can handle 85 watts rms with custom EQ settings to increase the bass. The less bass the door speakers have, the higher you can turn them up. Just make sure not to overpower then, or they will start making pop sounds.
Design Bandwidth: With 48 dB/octave filters: 50 Hz - 5 kHz With 24 dB/octave filters: 60 Hz - 5 kHz With 12 dB/octave filters: 70 Hz - 5 kHz seen this on jl website I was under the impression that you should set the crossover at double the fs which on the c7 is 54.5 so about 110 hz is where I would start probably playing them to low or using to flat of a slope beautiful setup do you have a video show the complete setup. Why do you run the epicenter when you have a dsp ? I'm just learning about dsps.
Yeah I was thinking about changing the frequency range. I figured 70 HZ to 20kHz wouldn't hurt them but it could have. I did run this set up over with Eric Cole and I sent him a screen shot from the laptop with all the frequency settings and he said I was good. 🤷♂️ good thing I saved the email just incase they tell me I did it all wrong I got the OK from one of their tech support reps. As for a video on the DSP set up. I got this one ruclips.net/video/SsW8zX6l-Q8/видео.html as for my I use an epicenter when I have a DSP that's because a DSP can't recreate Low Frequency that are not already part of a son. It can Boost the signal to sound Punchier on the subwoofer to make that frequency sound more present using the EQ built in but the epicenter lowers higher frequencies by an Octave so as a good example a 80 HZ tone will become a 40 HZ tone when the epicenter is engaged. In the link I sent you I have a excellent demo there showing what the epicenter does. I just apologize for the long video I did for that, however I do have Time stamps for that video so please skip to the demo song part. Under the description you can also tap on the number icon you want to see. 😁👍
@@THEAVERAGEGUY1983 thanks for the reply I was just looking into the epicenter and kind of figured out what it was for originally I thought it was kind of like accu-bass that helped with factory head units bass roll off I see that the epicenters are completely different than that now I'm going to have to get one of those two dang it lol.
@@THEAVERAGEGUY1983 also forgot to mention I thought I heard you say 50hz in your video I could be wrong obviously I'm wrong I'm sure you know what you set it at.
bad voice coil or damaged voice coil! I had an MB Quart and DynAudio do this on me in the competition season. Sometimes the glue heats up and let go in the magnet voice coil area.
Yep thats what I was thinking. I'm just glad it's only 1 speaker and not all 4. I will definitely be adjusting the frequency range on the speakers once I get the VXi amps using the USB mic with my Laptop and the new TuN 4.0 software that's only works with the VXi amps when it comes to the USB mic. I'm just curious how exactly it all works so maybe watching a few more videos from JL Audio on their 5 mic tunning device will give me an idea on how to use the new USB mic I got.
That's what I was thinking but JL Audio never sent back any feedback about the driver. But glad they replaced it just weeks away from the 1 year warranty expiring. 😅👍
@@THEAVERAGEGUY1983 sweet deal, long story short, I threw my C3 component set in the trash lol, got a Hertz 3-way set now, which reminds me of my Sonus Faber home speakers😌👌
With headphones your system sounds really good though, but your scaring the hell out of me because I have a lot of C7s going in my build. I appreciate the honest reviews and I'm curious to see what JL does. I see almost everyone using the VXi 800.8s and bridging the rear 4 channels for the 6.5s. Several people tell me they love the power but I don't see how they're putting 200 watts on each driver. Let's see a video on those ZRZ800s
That's gonna be a beast of a system and your right! I've been watching alot of videos on the C7s my self to see if maybe I did something wrong which if I did I don't mind admitting but I have seen people using the Vxi amps or the XD amps with the TWK88s, I went with the HD amps because Eric Cole recommended them for these but yeah man I don't know how some are able to push 200 watts RMS when I'm overwhere having issues pushing 85 watts rms to them hahahaha. Maybe the Vxi amps will Definitely be the better choice but I'm gonna have to save up for that. JL Audio received the Speaker on Tuesday 1/11/2022 so I have no idea when they are going to start testing it and figuring out what went wrong. The other 3 C7 6.5" speakers are doing great! But for being concerned about the other speaker I just sent in, I'm going to lower down the frequency in the EQ which has been set to flat. Maybe of I lower the strength of the Low end of 70HZ I won't have to worry about having issues anymore. About the ZR800Cw's doing an unboxing on those would be a good idea but then bad because you can't find those anywhere anymore and I got mine brand new. I wrote down the date on the boxes 😅👍
For a Sierra, I would go with a 2 way for the front doors for easier installation and the limited space of the truck. unless you would be willing to go the 3way route then go 3 ways you won't regret doing a 3 way. Both two way and 3 way sound awesome! However please consider going with the VXi amps. Since it's a single cab truck, you can go with a VX1000/5i and use the 4 channels for a C7-650CW and C7-100CT and the 5th 600 watts rms channel for your subwoofer and that would be a kick ass sounding system for a truck like yours with Plenty of output. For subs depending if you dont have any yet you can go with 2 12 or 10 inch W3s 😎👌 and split 300 watts rma to each subwoofer in a shallow mount type box and your good to go.
I was thinking use the hd 600/4 for 2 or 4 c7 ( I’m not sure if 2 is enough) and for the subwoofers ( I have 2 of 13.5” 13tw5v2-2) want to use the Hd 1200/1 What you think?
@@joelsandoval6139 ah the HD600/4? Since you want to go with 4 C7-650CW speakers for your doors, that amp will definitely push them very well. The tweeters in the other hand I do recommend a smaller powered amp under 100 watts rms per channel will be more then plenty for them. Just remember that you Definitely need a DSP if you want to use the HD amps for the C7s.
Hi, you are the first one who asked about that. Thank you for that. It is just some of my instrumental beats titled Beat 30 for the beginning beat, Beat 32, Beat 11 was the demo for the actual speaker test and Beat 34 was the outro beat.😁👍 thank you for commenting. 🙇♂️🙏
That is max u should never run a 6in past beaming 2.5k to 3k is the highest any 6in should play allso I would cut them at 80hz not 70 useing 24db lr slopes
70hz at 24 db was on the recommended frequency range for the speakers on their site but yeah I'm gonna change it to 80hz as the lowest frequency I want to hear and the highest will most likely be where you are suggesting. 5k is the max they recommended which I have ready dropped it down, I'm gonna have to do the frequency response possibly by ear because though I have a USB mic and some software, it just gives me a starting point and if I'm happy with those results then I can leave the system As is but if it's not, then I gotta tweak it a bit to sound good to me. Only weird thing is that only 1 driver did this and Eric Cole From JL Audio did tell me that the range I chose was fine even though their specs said otherwise. Maybe that's why they sent me a new one as a replacement. I sent them all the email trail when I shipped the speaker in for repair. 🤷♂️ I do plan on getting the vxi amps so when I do that I'll be able to use their TuN 4.0 software for the amps to basically match the gain level as well as frequency response and go from there. I appreciate your feedback though my man, any info is definitely helpful.
I spent a little over $14,000 on this system. The only thing I saved was labor cost doing it my self which allowed me to spend the extra cash on better speakers. 😁👍
Sounds like it is the motor assembly getting tired. Could be due to the rain you showed or due to a quality control issue in the manufacturing. And you shouldn't be paying a single quarter if it is the case, if it was a user/instalation induced malfunction then yeah, you are going to pay for it.
Yeah, it's too bad JL never said what could have been the cause but they did send a brand new replacement which was cool didn't expect that since their fine print says (repair by reconing a speaker or subwoofer and send back) 😁👍
Sweet!!!!! I may consider getting some spares. I still have some full 3 way sets in the box that i haven't installed yet, but i should definitely get some spare drivers.
They are playing too low you fed to too much power as well at those lower frequencies. It’s sad to hear you spent this kind of money and it gave you this problem. I had a similar issue this year with my cdt audio es06 woofer. One speaker was cracking soley due to defect but my tip is you should do like a 120hz minimum crossover for the low end and typically with like a -24db where on the parametric eq I see the speaker plays down until 40hz. My speakers have a frequency range of 10hz to 5k 🤣 fuck that jl Shit sorry to say brokski it’s over hyped I hope you guys all figure it out sooner than later man
These C7 speakers, though they do sound good with lower power, they sure are overhyped. I agree with you 100%. i honestly prefer my C5 3 ways with their included crossover. I was using them with the same amps i have here in this video, and I never had a problem with them. I regret not making those C5s work for this car. My wife likes car audio too ans eve. She told me that i over paid for these lol. 😅🤦♂️ mistake made lesson learned.
To be fair to JL Audio, I never had any issues either until i got the TWK88s and the C7 speakers, 😅 The driver on the video definitely had some manufacturer defects and wasn't caused by me. The other 3 drivers worked perfectly. Thankfully, it was only 1 driver. As for the TWK88s i Dont recommend them as they have some serious reliability problems that can cause problems to the drivers if ran exactly how jl audio wants you to run their DSP hardware, i do however want to swap these TWK88s eventually for the VXi amps as they use the same software which im very familiar with but from what Steve told me, the VXi amps have updated DSP hardware inside compared to the older TWK88s and D8 models. So that should hopefully make the whole Running a full active system thing a much better experience. 😎👍
Yep! Definitely. After the video was over I brought it inside my house and tested it with a little cheap Knock Off Amp I had and it was sparking a bit from the Tinsel Lead that was connected to the voice coil tiny leads, so im thinking maybe over excursion might have caused the issue. I did let JL Audio know exactly what amp I was using, how I tuned the amp voltage wise as well as what frequency I used which was the standard 1kHz Test tone at 0DB and what frequency range I had the speaker on hmthe TWK88 which was 70HZ to 20kHz so let's see what happens. It was shipped put today so I'm starting the count down as soon as it's delivered, FedEx said JL should have it with them by Tuesday.
I don't know if this can help you but that's happened when I install the hd 600/4 , before had audison voce and no problem with it, but with the hd I stared hearing like wiiing noise and then but coil. I swap the audison again but with audiofrog.
@@joserosales4164 thank you for the advice. Once I get the speaker back from. Jl Audio I'll see if it does it again. This is the first time I use these HD amps in a Active Set up, I've always used the C5-653s with these so when you think about it the HD amp is splitting its 150 watts rms in to 3 speakers with the Crossover so your getting about 50 watts RMS or maybe a bit more for Each Midbass Woofer, Midrange speaker and tweeter, like a safe wattage for each speaker. This is why I feel that these C7 speakers can safely do half of their Stated Output. Like the subwoofer chart JL has with the green, yellow, orange, red and black zone where green is minimum power yellow and orange are Optimal power (recommended) power and red is pushing it to its continuous power rating and then the black zone being Peak RMS which equals warranty voided. At least that's how I'm starting to see this whole deal with their speakers hahahaha.
@mactaegooden4688 yep. It definitely had a manufacturing defect but a lot of people in the comments section gave their "professional advice" and said it was 100% my fault even though the other 3 speakers had the same frequency range and power output as thos speaker here. 😅 the system has been working well with the occasional DSP malfunctioning here and there.
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I was able to snag a pair of C5 650 components this month and I can't wait to install them. I talked to a JL rep and they said they're currently working on a C5 replacement, but I heard the "current" C5s in a demo and I loved the sound signature, so I didn't want to chance not liking the new ones
That's awesome!!!!! Yeah I heard from a rep that sold me the last pair of 3 way C5s they had at Car Toys via facebook From Somewhere in Navada that said a JL Sales tep said they were making a C6 model to replace the C5s but I'm not sure how well those C6s are going to sound. The C5s sound amazing and practically work well with all types of music. 😎👊
Nice setup bro! I love my c7. I also have a the 3 way setup. I'm using the dwk-88 DSP but I'm using an Audiocontrol lc-6.1200 amp to run mine. I run my c7-650 from 60hz to 700hz 24db with no issues. I think running it past 5k could of been a bit overkill on them tho.
it was a bit, so I have the 6.5s at 70hz to 3k now @ 24DB 😁👍
Hey bro thanks for your videos. I’m currently in the middle of a c3 build for my f150. I hope they sound good they were expensive. Covid really brought the price up on Jl speakers
Have you ever heard the c3 s before? Can you give me your thoughts on them ?
@St. Pete Beach Charters hi yes I have!!!!!!! They have a really nice midbass sound to them, since they come with the Crossover over you should be good with a amp that can do 100 watts rms per channel. This will work great for those. As for pricing, yes I agree 100% the pandemic definitely caused a HUGE spike in pricing on speakers, amps, MDF, Acrylic, ABS and even Vinyl fabric. 😳
Bruh!…first off when you’re installing quality components like you have, it’s utmost that you completely sound deadened your doors ,it is what it is…it makes a world of difference , hopefully you got the main issue resolved ✌🏿
Hi sean, the doors have already been fully sound deadened. However, since im not sponsored by these deadening companies like the other youtubers that are in this field are, it took me some time to save another $1K for more Sound Deadener. As someone who's been in the field for a little more than 2 decades i know sound deadener makes a world of difference, in previous videos i made while doing this project i did install two different types of sound Deadener, knu konceptz and sound shield they both have their benefits, i explained the importance of having multiple layers of it to reduce noise and vibration as much as possible vs only using 1 layer and not really hearing the difference. this SQL project was quite expensive and from what ive been hearing, my system is out of most people's reach, i understand them 100% as it took me some time to complete it since i only have one income coming in and used credit cards irresponsibly 😅, i couldn't do it all in one hit. I also felt this crazy amount of pressure to rush the installation and get it playing for everyone who was interested in this build. As for the issue with the driver, yep, after the replacement was sent, i figured out the problem and worked on resolving it. Thank you very much for watching my video of this issue, i appreciate it a lot. 🙏🙇♂️
@@THEAVERAGEGUY1983 , hey I totally understand what you’re saying, the shop I used hit me for just over 1k but I actually had saved up for a $1300 budget for a ll four doors, so I took my savings and got on Amazon and I bought 1 box of deadner for $63 and finished the rest of my vehicle, which saved me over $1300 by doing it myself, I think you said you’ve spent 14k on your system and my budget was for 10k but I’m over 11k now, this ain’t no cheap hobby we’re into bruh….njoy those sounds 👍🏿
@@seanjelly8942 😎👊
Also, watch your torque on the mounting too! two screws tighter can misalign the voice coil and cause it to heat up and start to bind! Just my 2 cents Brother! OORAH, Didn't make the Cali trip either! (Got a Pulmonary Embolism in the left lung and was hospitalized.) Next time Brother!
Aw man I hope your doing better now. Hopefully I'll have this properly done by the time you come by. Apparently this Full Active System is always looking for ways to improve lol
did you go to 90hz or 100 hz xover at 18db or 12db slope and check?
@mqweihgbhkgfvj yep it solved nothing. All the other speakers worked 100%. I already got a replacement under warranty from JL Audio, but they never gave me feedback on their findings because of their strict R&D department. But the new speaker is working good. 😎👍 i still want to swap amps and with the VXis and remove the TWK88s that till this day still randomly shut down on their own for no reason at all. Very faulty DSPs.
@@THEAVERAGEGUY1983 cool. i had a c2 6inch comp set and the tweeter blew with it set to the -3db setting on the passives. the amp i was using was an XTANT X603 at 75 watt x2. werent overpowering them.
What would you recommend for my 06 Cadillac Escalade, thinking of doing the front door speakers 🔊jl audio c7’s and adding D pillar pods to run the 6 1/2’s c7’s as well, can’t put c7’s on the rear passenger doors according to crutchfield website but idk what do you think? Also want to know what jl audio amp to run or any other brand you recommend?
Hi, apologies for the late reply, if you go with the C7s i highly recommend the VXi line of amps this way you can give them exactly the power they can handle and have a DSP built in so you dont have to worry about adding extra equipment to your ride. As for the rear doors of the 06 escalade they use 5.25" speakers but i believe that if you were to customize your bracket and also remove some of the plastic trim from the door panel its self you should be able to fit a 6.5". Crutchfield told me all i could fit on my flex were 5x7s or 5.25s with an adapter but i was able to fit 6.5s by making my own brackets. I can actually fit up to an 8 inch midbass driver on my front doors but i do have to slightly modify my door panel a bit to get it to fit and not rub. 😎👌
@@THEAVERAGEGUY1983 thanks for the response, so if I would do all 6 1/2 c7 and the 2 1” c7 tweeters what VXI amp do you recommend? Subs I’ll be running my 2 kenwood KFC-xw1200f Excelon 12’s I had in my s10 and amp kenwood KAC-9105D they sounded pretty good when I had them installed , current head unit that is in the Escalade is a kenwood Excelon DDX9907XR
@MrLowrider3 if you are going with a 2 way Component set for your front doors and perhaps the rear doors, i would get a VX800/8i to power all the speakers. If you are going to do a 3 way set up in the front doors and A pillars, door speakers on the rear doors and lets say you do 2 speakers on each D pillar like i did on mine with the 3.5" and tweeters, i would get 2 VX800/8i amps and use channels 1 and 2 for the tweeters, channels 3 and 4 foe the midrange and channels 5+6 bridged to midbass speaker on the left amd channels 7+8 bridged to the midbass speaker on the right and do the same foe the rear, this way you will have some strong midbass on your doors and good clean sound coming out of your A pillr and D pillar speakers as dose dont require too much power to work well. In fact, my amps are too strong for my A-pillar and D-pillar speakers, and I wish i would have listened to myself instead of going with jl telling me to get the more expensive amps at the time lol. 150 watts rms is way too much headroom for those little tweeters and midrange speakers, lol. The doors can handle 85 watts rms with custom EQ settings to increase the bass. The less bass the door speakers have, the higher you can turn them up. Just make sure not to overpower then, or they will start making pop sounds.
Design Bandwidth:
With 48 dB/octave filters: 50 Hz - 5 kHz
With 24 dB/octave filters: 60 Hz - 5 kHz
With 12 dB/octave filters: 70 Hz - 5 kHz seen this on jl website I was under the impression that you should set the crossover at double the fs which on the c7 is 54.5 so about 110 hz is where I would start probably playing them to low or using to flat of a slope beautiful setup do you have a video show the complete setup. Why do you run the epicenter when you have a dsp ? I'm just learning about dsps.
Yeah I was thinking about changing the frequency range. I figured 70 HZ to 20kHz wouldn't hurt them but it could have. I did run this set up over with Eric Cole and I sent him a screen shot from the laptop with all the frequency settings and he said I was good. 🤷♂️ good thing I saved the email just incase they tell me I did it all wrong I got the OK from one of their tech support reps. As for a video on the DSP set up. I got this one ruclips.net/video/SsW8zX6l-Q8/видео.html as for my I use an epicenter when I have a DSP that's because a DSP can't recreate Low Frequency that are not already part of a son. It can Boost the signal to sound Punchier on the subwoofer to make that frequency sound more present using the EQ built in but the epicenter lowers higher frequencies by an Octave so as a good example a 80 HZ tone will become a 40 HZ tone when the epicenter is engaged. In the link I sent you I have a excellent demo there showing what the epicenter does. I just apologize for the long video I did for that, however I do have Time stamps for that video so please skip to the demo song part. Under the description you can also tap on the number icon you want to see. 😁👍
@@THEAVERAGEGUY1983 thanks for the reply I was just looking into the epicenter and kind of figured out what it was for originally I thought it was kind of like accu-bass that helped with factory head units bass roll off I see that the epicenters are completely different than that now I'm going to have to get one of those two dang it lol.
@@THEAVERAGEGUY1983 also forgot to mention I thought I heard you say 50hz in your video I could be wrong obviously I'm wrong I'm sure you know what you set it at.
@@travisevans7502 yep I did mentioned 50 HZ but I forgot which DB Octave it was recommended for 😅
bad voice coil or damaged voice coil! I had an MB Quart and DynAudio do this on me in the competition season. Sometimes the glue heats up and let go in the magnet voice coil area.
Yep thats what I was thinking. I'm just glad it's only 1 speaker and not all 4. I will definitely be adjusting the frequency range on the speakers once I get the VXi amps using the USB mic with my Laptop and the new TuN 4.0 software that's only works with the VXi amps when it comes to the USB mic. I'm just curious how exactly it all works so maybe watching a few more videos from JL Audio on their 5 mic tunning device will give me an idea on how to use the new USB mic I got.
Maybe loose connection where the speaker lead connects to the voice coil, the lead detached from my voice coil on my C3 midrange
That's what I was thinking but JL Audio never sent back any feedback about the driver. But glad they replaced it just weeks away from the 1 year warranty expiring. 😅👍
@@THEAVERAGEGUY1983 sweet deal, long story short, I threw my C3 component set in the trash lol, got a Hertz 3-way set now, which reminds me of my Sonus Faber home speakers😌👌
@leonsam12 mmmmmm...... Hertz 3 ways sound awesome! 🥰🥰🥰🥰
With headphones your system sounds really good though, but your scaring the hell out of me because I have a lot of C7s going in my build. I appreciate the honest reviews and I'm curious to see what JL does. I see almost everyone using the VXi 800.8s and bridging the rear 4 channels for the 6.5s. Several people tell me they love the power but I don't see how they're putting 200 watts on each driver. Let's see a video on those ZRZ800s
That's gonna be a beast of a system and your right! I've been watching alot of videos on the C7s my self to see if maybe I did something wrong which if I did I don't mind admitting but I have seen people using the Vxi amps or the XD amps with the TWK88s, I went with the HD amps because Eric Cole recommended them for these but yeah man I don't know how some are able to push 200 watts RMS when I'm overwhere having issues pushing 85 watts rms to them hahahaha. Maybe the Vxi amps will Definitely be the better choice but I'm gonna have to save up for that. JL Audio received the Speaker on Tuesday 1/11/2022 so I have no idea when they are going to start testing it and figuring out what went wrong. The other 3 C7 6.5" speakers are doing great! But for being concerned about the other speaker I just sent in, I'm going to lower down the frequency in the EQ which has been set to flat. Maybe of I lower the strength of the Low end of 70HZ I won't have to worry about having issues anymore. About the ZR800Cw's doing an unboxing on those would be a good idea but then bad because you can't find those anywhere anymore and I got mine brand new. I wrote down the date on the boxes 😅👍
Watts doesn't matters....you need to send them 2.83volts.
Hey bro, How many speakers c7 do you recommend me for a sierra 97 single cab?
For a Sierra, I would go with a 2 way for the front doors for easier installation and the limited space of the truck. unless you would be willing to go the 3way route then go 3 ways you won't regret doing a 3 way. Both two way and 3 way sound awesome! However please consider going with the VXi amps. Since it's a single cab truck, you can go with a VX1000/5i and use the 4 channels for a C7-650CW and C7-100CT and the 5th 600 watts rms channel for your subwoofer and that would be a kick ass sounding system for a truck like yours with Plenty of output. For subs depending if you dont have any yet you can go with 2 12 or 10 inch W3s 😎👌 and split 300 watts rma to each subwoofer in a shallow mount type box and your good to go.
I was thinking use the hd 600/4 for 2 or 4 c7 ( I’m not sure if 2 is enough) and for the subwoofers ( I have 2 of 13.5” 13tw5v2-2) want to use the Hd 1200/1
What you think?
@@joelsandoval6139 ah the HD600/4? Since you want to go with 4 C7-650CW speakers for your doors, that amp will definitely push them very well. The tweeters in the other hand I do recommend a smaller powered amp under 100 watts rms per channel will be more then plenty for them. Just remember that you Definitely need a DSP if you want to use the HD amps for the C7s.
May i ask the name of the song you are playing.
Hi, you are the first one who asked about that. Thank you for that. It is just some of my instrumental beats titled Beat 30 for the beginning beat, Beat 32, Beat 11 was the demo for the actual speaker test and Beat 34 was the outro beat.😁👍 thank you for commenting. 🙇♂️🙏
That is max u should never run a 6in past beaming 2.5k to 3k is the highest any 6in should play allso I would cut them at 80hz not 70 useing 24db lr slopes
70hz at 24 db was on the recommended frequency range for the speakers on their site but yeah I'm gonna change it to 80hz as the lowest frequency I want to hear and the highest will most likely be where you are suggesting. 5k is the max they recommended which I have ready dropped it down, I'm gonna have to do the frequency response possibly by ear because though I have a USB mic and some software, it just gives me a starting point and if I'm happy with those results then I can leave the system As is but if it's not, then I gotta tweak it a bit to sound good to me. Only weird thing is that only 1 driver did this and Eric Cole From JL Audio did tell me that the range I chose was fine even though their specs said otherwise. Maybe that's why they sent me a new one as a replacement. I sent them all the email trail when I shipped the speaker in for repair. 🤷♂️ I do plan on getting the vxi amps so when I do that I'll be able to use their TuN 4.0 software for the amps to basically match the gain level as well as frequency response and go from there.
I appreciate your feedback though my man, any info is definitely helpful.
Can you make a video on how much you spent on this system.
I spent a little over $14,000 on this system. The only thing I saved was labor cost doing it my self which allowed me to spend the extra cash on better speakers. 😁👍
Sounds like it is the motor assembly getting tired. Could be due to the rain you showed or due to a quality control issue in the manufacturing.
And you shouldn't be paying a single quarter if it is the case, if it was a user/instalation induced malfunction then yeah, you are going to pay for it.
Yeah, it's too bad JL never said what could have been the cause but they did send a brand new replacement which was cool didn't expect that since their fine print says (repair by reconing a speaker or subwoofer and send back) 😁👍
Creative Audio still have C5 650X in stock.
Sweet!!!!! I may consider getting some spares. I still have some full 3 way sets in the box that i haven't installed yet, but i should definitely get some spare drivers.
@@THEAVERAGEGUY1983 $450 I got some sound quality awesome love you're videos
They are playing too low you fed to too much power as well at those lower frequencies. It’s sad to hear you spent this kind of money and it gave you this problem. I had a similar issue this year with my cdt audio es06 woofer. One speaker was cracking soley due to defect but my tip is you should do like a 120hz minimum crossover for the low end and typically with like a -24db where on the parametric eq I see the speaker plays down until 40hz. My speakers have a frequency range of 10hz to 5k 🤣 fuck that jl Shit sorry to say brokski it’s over hyped I hope you guys all figure it out sooner than later man
These C7 speakers, though they do sound good with lower power, they sure are overhyped. I agree with you 100%. i honestly prefer my C5 3 ways with their included crossover. I was using them with the same amps i have here in this video, and I never had a problem with them. I regret not making those C5s work for this car. My wife likes car audio too ans eve. She told me that i over paid for these lol. 😅🤦♂️ mistake made lesson learned.
I would have unhooked it and ran it on a test tone generator make the speaker go thru its motions I've never heard jl quality issues
To be fair to JL Audio, I never had any issues either until i got the TWK88s and the C7 speakers, 😅 The driver on the video definitely had some manufacturer defects and wasn't caused by me. The other 3 drivers worked perfectly. Thankfully, it was only 1 driver. As for the TWK88s i Dont recommend them as they have some serious reliability problems that can cause problems to the drivers if ran exactly how jl audio wants you to run their DSP hardware, i do however want to swap these TWK88s eventually for the VXi amps as they use the same software which im very familiar with but from what Steve told me, the VXi amps have updated DSP hardware inside compared to the older TWK88s and D8 models. So that should hopefully make the whole Running a full active system thing a much better experience. 😎👍
Voice coil
Yep! Definitely. After the video was over I brought it inside my house and tested it with a little cheap Knock Off Amp I had and it was sparking a bit from the Tinsel Lead that was connected to the voice coil tiny leads, so im thinking maybe over excursion might have caused the issue. I did let JL Audio know exactly what amp I was using, how I tuned the amp voltage wise as well as what frequency I used which was the standard 1kHz Test tone at 0DB and what frequency range I had the speaker on hmthe TWK88 which was 70HZ to 20kHz so let's see what happens. It was shipped put today so I'm starting the count down as soon as it's delivered, FedEx said JL should have it with them by Tuesday.
That's happened to my morel elite😵💫
@@joserosales4164 ouch!
I don't know if this can help you but that's happened when I install the hd 600/4 , before had audison voce and no problem with it, but with the hd I stared hearing like wiiing noise and then but coil. I swap the audison again but with audiofrog.
@@joserosales4164 thank you for the advice. Once I get the speaker back from. Jl Audio I'll see if it does it again. This is the first time I use these HD amps in a Active Set up, I've always used the C5-653s with these so when you think about it the HD amp is splitting its 150 watts rms in to 3 speakers with the Crossover so your getting about 50 watts RMS or maybe a bit more for Each Midbass Woofer, Midrange speaker and tweeter, like a safe wattage for each speaker. This is why I feel that these C7 speakers can safely do half of their Stated Output. Like the subwoofer chart JL has with the green, yellow, orange, red and black zone where green is minimum power yellow and orange are Optimal power (recommended) power and red is pushing it to its continuous power rating and then the black zone being Peak RMS which equals warranty voided. At least that's how I'm starting to see this whole deal with their speakers hahahaha.
Bad speaker
@mactaegooden4688 yep. It definitely had a manufacturing defect but a lot of people in the comments section gave their "professional advice" and said it was 100% my fault even though the other 3 speakers had the same frequency range and power output as thos speaker here. 😅 the system has been working well with the occasional DSP malfunctioning here and there.