I think you all had similar settings in the end.. Reduce I, Increase P & D - Reduce filters. That about seems to be the preferred settings. Thanks guys!
Just recieved a custom build from rotor riot earlier this week. The pid and filter setting are almost identical to vanovers'. Thing is a freestyle beast on 4S... Best quad I've owned to date... I've built 3, but this time was feeling lazy...
I wish you made a part 2 where you all flew each other's tunes! THAT would be super interesting to see imo. Awesome vid tho and it's cool to see the difference in tuning strategies from each pilot!
@@ProfessorMuchachosimilar setups should take a similar tune very well. For example I have a 5" on 2205.5 2400kv, but no GoPro. Being slightly lighter weight and having smaller than average motors, I didn't need to go quite as high on my P-gains, and I prefer a slightly stiffer feel so I left my I-gains alone at stock settings. I also dont suggest taking the RPM filtering down to a single filter, leave it at 3. This does not add enough latency to make it worth taking the other notches away.
Jack Bisson had a Mark4 for just over a week and watched this yesterday. Tried this and wow, flies like butter. The difference is staggering. The Van Man obviously knows his stuff👌tuned it with the GoPro on the kwad.
Same here- I set all settings the same as Vanover and it flies on rails with MUCH less noise, heat and, "warble" (my word for the bad noise and movement at zero thr.) Titan XL5 with Crazypony 2207 racing motors - 5140- iFlight 40 Amp Succex and F4- 1500 4s 100C.
I loved that Alex had the most professional approach towards the whole process. He knows how to accurately interpret the feel he has. The best F1 pilots always came from those who were able to tell what the car does so the engineers can do adjustments instead of a guesswork. The end result have convinced me even more. I think Joshua have been schooled a tiny bit there...but no hard feelings. ;)
Q: How many freestyle pilots does it take to change a lipo? A: 3. One to change the lipo, one to vlog, and one to mess up the vlog *cough cough* Vanover..
I think it's worth mentioning the person who JB got the settings for the 4.1 notch filters is the Mark from UAV Tech, he's super knowledgable about the actual processes used in the software and has very descriptive vids on tuning. He deserves some more mention
@@JoshuaBardwell Awesome yeah I remember you mentioning him in your 4.1 tuning guide. I used his video before yours came out to get that sweet sweet rpm filter goodness
Probably my first comment on the channel videos. JB, lowering filters lowest possible helped me so much. Tuning stars with filtering. Massing with "I" doesn't make any sense. Rasing "P" up to a level is more logical to my stick feel, and "D" is always ready to work it once needed... Thanks to all of you for such a video which tells "there is no right or wrong way of tuning. Quad is to be tuned for it's pilot only".
This is the best and most helpful video I've watched from Rotor Riot all year. You guys really hit a home run with this one! I have an idea for a series. Someone sends you a quad that flies like crap and you show us why it flies so bad and how to fix it. The Rotor Riot team has been in the game so long that they don't really have any of the typical mistakes that us noobs have, so a series like that could help your audience immensely and make your audience feel more connected to the team. But to answer your question: I will be mostly playing with the tune that Drew recommends cause his flights are just so damn juicy!!!
It all makes soo much more Sense now. I see it as an audio signal passing through a DSP. If anyone understands that.. never tuned but will now. thanks again guy's
How I tune: - get a BB log and push it through PlasmaTree to adjust filters - repeat and adjust PID step response to be perfect - do BB logs while increasing PIDs until it gets worse or motors get hot - start crying cause I used crap components so I got a lot of noise in the gyro loop - eventually give up
I actually did that when trying RPM filtering with 4.1, didnt change anything. Since its only on pitch axis and only above 50% throttle I assume its just a bad gyro or something like that. Will probably just try another FC.
@@t.me_hgjhghgf LOL... That is fucking rediculous. EMU is BF 3.5 PLUS more settings, not less. Fucking politics kills me with these dumb shit statements. Explain to me how this looks any simplier? www.screencast.com/t/QFCqbmP7 Oh wait, just explain to me what W actually does. Or why it is good - or bad - to have different filter settings per axis.
@@Aridrona it is adorable how the guy who started Emu basically quit and hates the fanboy attitudes of some of the users. He dropped out of the github because of it. So drama, drama, drama and the attitude that pops out of superiority when in reality the key open source devs in the community - the best of the best - all contribute to BF. So, do your thing. It is cool to have other forks (like iNAV and Silverware, etc...) but drop the shit. You are not superior. You are not taking over anything. As long as the talent sticks to project A, project A will be king.
JB filter settings are a game changer. I set all my quads up the same way with the exceptions of pids. My 3" and 5" 6s quads do better with slightly lower p and D gains. I love the locked in default I settings. I love to fly LOS freestyle with a racing quad. Definitely my favorite way to fly. I know everyone I'm definitely missing out on fpv. My buddies are pushing me hard to learn fpv. Take care everyone and thanks rotor riot, JB and UAV Tech for there continued knowledge and sharing it to everyone. Rarely in this world do you get something for nothing, this being the exception
Le Drib, i was having problems on my new build with tuning. So i legit followed along with you on all your settings...ive never flown anything better. its so buttery and smooth and i absolutely love it. thanks for the in depth explanation!
It's not possible to give a right answer. Joshua Bardwell was showing the gopro 7 fotage with hypersmooth ON. We could hear some noise bu't couldn't apreciate it on camera. The Drew part was good, we could see how his pid's worked. And Vanover's flight just last 5 seconds, and he was flying very openly/juicy, I mean, to know how a quad flies you also need do make some short and fast movements. The idea was really good, the result wasn't what I expected. Anyway, the pid tunning part was very interesting! Cheers!
This has got to be one of the best Rotor Riot videos to date. I have been in the hobby for 3 years and have been watching Bardwell and Rotor Riot since the beginning, and I still learned a lot from this video. Keep it up Rotor Riot!
There's gotta be like 6 other settings that I mess with in BF that aren't mentioned in this video at all. I love how different everyone tunes the quad. You guys should do a part 2 explaining the physical variables of the quad that should be taken into consideration: battery size, motor size and kv, prop pitch, HD cam, etc.....
Just getting in to quads and I think it's amazing that pros such as yourselves can provide free information to the community so noobs such as myself, don't have to be scared in messing with stuff. I'm probably super late to the game but good work gents. 👏. Thanks for the free info. 🙏🏾
Maybe Vanover has the best tune but Drew is on the track where you want to be. Thanks Joshua. Tuning becomes easy when you always tune the same type and size of quad.
i honestly think alex did the best job explaining his settings - quick and precise explanation and it didnt feel like an eternity (joshuas tuning vids are good and all but they are roughly 20-30 minutes where as vanny just essentially provided the same info in 10 minutes aaand he even fitted some banter as well as a stuck quad in there... talking about efficiency :P)
Bardwell wins !! Nobody else checked motor temp, but would have been better if cricket tested every one else's tune. Thanks for all the great info y'all.
I flew my quad on BetaFlight 3. something and default tunes and it was great coming form an very old drone without even air mode. This week i updated to the newest firmware and it flys so much better without even chaining any PIDs.
Just want to thank you Gentlemen for taking the time to put together this amazing video about tuning, love the fact each one of you have different approaches to tuning!! Keep up the great work you boys do for this amazing hobby
Would have liked to have seen each of the three pilots fly the tunes BLIND from the other pilots in addition to their own, and pick which tune they felt was the best...
Dream episode: UAV TECH tunes a Vanny freestyle build, then hands it over to Vanover for his final polish. The dialogue between those two getting from the UAVT tune to the final Vanny tune will be gold. Vanny, UAV and all of us will learn something that day.
this really is a great vid depending on the level of your flying they basically go over everything from beginner to advanced fro tuning, lots of good info
Ordered the Rotor Riot HD1 Build over the weekend. I'll be flying the default tune for quite a while but good insight into how tuning is just a personal preference.
If you have a light 6s quad you will benefit from dropping p and d balance to 8 or 7. That's per betaflight instructions in 4.1 tuning notes. Defaults are great for gopro fpv pilots. That's been my experience. There's also a massive benefit to going to 48k on pwm in blheli_32
Great video guys. As a noob, I've been curious about how to tune and what to look out for. This really helped me understand the basic concepts. Now I might not be so afraid to mess with the tune. I'm sure much of the jerkiness in my video is due to operator error, but hopefully I'll be able to start smoothing it out now.
I thought Bardwell backtracked on the harmonics setting choices after discussing with betaflight devs as it was essentially a pretty bad idea to drop it to 1 and those other settings as leaving it at default added truly minimal latency but guarded much better against bent props and other damage (and dropping it had little benefit?). Which maybe could explain the hot motor at the end.
Correct. 3 is the right number as there are always other harmonics to account for. They give conflicting info in this video and both people attribute the info to Bardwell. ha
@@woopweep9605 i guess we deff hear what we want, or interpret things diff, because all of these poilets, myself included watched and learned from bardwell, but we all went off into the field with our crazy friends that started making us think we need to make the tune better.... so MAYBE ILL fly better..? I love a good tune, but crickets right, in that, times a commodity and should be spent more flying than tuning, while I'M NOT tossing tuning out the window, just every hour we spend flying makes our footage 10x better.. its all about that juicy muscle memory first and I was watching vanonvers tune like 🤯 lol yet, I don't think that would work FOR ME, but it looked amazing!? so q. Is, Was it just the best flight untill he hung it? B4 frying anything? Or a trully better tune? personally those rates alone are race rates I would feel soo uncomfortable with, but I dono he's a pro. And a damn good one, still worth taking into consideration. My Point @JB, TY for all the hours you have given up on the sticks, to produce some of the if not the gold standard of uav info always developed on point and on time, redacted as needed, times change but we all still learned something today! Lol.fun vid, love it! Is this the best how to on the web.. prob not, but we learned something.... lol mad Respekt all fpv massive
"The Stock tunes fly better then ever" So damn right i was so unhappy how my 2.5 inch flew finally put BF 4.2 on it without doing anything this thing flys absolutly awesome!
The PID sliders are there to automatically adjust the zeroes and poles of the system transfer function for the PID control system, in the flight controller feedback loop, while keeping the equation balanced for varying term gains Kp, Ki and Kd. This avoids the calculations that should be performed (but no one does) during manual tuning for determining Kp, Ki and Kd.
I have found that if your motors are straight, your frame is not broken or delaminating, all your hardware is tight and your flight controller is soft mounted. Very little to no tuning is required to get smooth oscillation free flight. Some frames, Expecially top mount battery frames will require tuning because the balance of the CG is not correct. If a craft is very nose heavy (due to gopro) or even worse Tail heavy( because you have to slide battery back too far to accomodate gopro) , you will have slow oscillations and all kinds of problems getting it to fly smooth. Tuning may help but if you have to work hard to get a good tune there is usually something else wrong with your quad. The main thing I use tuning for is if my quad feels soggy, I raise my P gains a bit, If my quad oscillates when performing hard turns, punchouts or hard G maneuvers, then I lower the Pgain value. If motors are getting hot, or horizontal lines form in my video, I lower D gains. Thats it, never play with filters or anything else, and my quads fly perfectly.
If I ever do camera work for a vlog, I'm going to have to remember to zoom in/out randomly for dramatic effect... ;D Seriously though, thank you for this episode, I'm going to have to watch it at least once more to help my tuning.
Ok had to flash FC first but no problem doing that thanks to Joshua. My chameleon flew great when i was learning to fly but when pushed flew crap so give it a go flys great motors not getting hot and were i live down under it is so hot and have bush fires raging around me and so simple
Lol at cricket and “you don’t have to tune Flightone” so right my man but I do like to adjust P a little bit on all my fl1 quads. But generally the high power tune and 2 dual bi quad filters all set to 200 gets me 98% there. 👍👍
Legend, my motors were hot after making a couple of changes with betaflight via my phone's otg, not even sure what happened, reverted to default settings and motors are cool again. Thanks for the insight
Gday Drew, JB great review of filter tunning, i think Drew and JB were the best Alex seems to over complicate it for beginners as a pro pilot he knows how his quads and his pid tunning feel but its not going to be the same for everyone as we all have different builds and fly different, Drew and JB make it a bit simpler not adjusting pids and over complicating it, great work you guys awsome vlog Drew your still the king mate.👍🛸 Whats with Cricket not knowing how to tune?
Per the Cricket question, some folks are more likely to adapt to their surroundings rather than making everything perfect. Like you learn to throttle out of a dive rather than pulling up which causes propwash,... I had to do that with my whoops because of "yaw washout". Maybe it could have been tuned out? I never really tried. I just learned to fly around it. Trying to learn to tune though as my skills grow and are just starting to unsettle the quad.
@@rcrdps8144 thats cool i just thought because he has been flying so long and so well that he had an idea on how to play with pids, filter tunning is very difficult if you dont know what your doing but he has 3 maybe more awsome tuners at hand to show him everything JB knowing the most of all he is the ultimate fpv tuner as well as Drew Alex Stingy, you see my point i dont know a lot about tunning but just by watching these guys on youtube i have learnt to build fly crash and very basic tune on pids and now bf has filter tunning so flying around a bad flying quad isnt the best way to fly and buy the way no one has a perfect tune they get very close to it but no one quad is perfect from what i can understand.👍
@@epp1026del Yes total understand that but if i had all those awsome pilots around me i would have learnt from the best on how to tune properly as it is all i can do is watch youtube and try different things but im no expert, cheers mate have a great one.👍🛸
I use default settings, with rpm filter, and filters close to Red. The pid original. Use in tree differents quads 350gr with nice carbon frame and constructionw
I mean, anyone who read the Github tuning notes when 4.0 came out knows this. I think most people just don’t read the GitHub. I bet the majority of people who complain about BF don’t read the GitHub 🤷🏾♂️
Awesome content, great overall advice - in detail I wouldn't copy any of this stuff verbatim. The best tune award goes to: Mark Spatz. Send him that quad... then get it back and see how everybody likes it.
Dynamic notch set to a 0 q value (single notch) is objectively better - VBat PID Compensation is tremendously helpful (particularly on small builds) - iTermSetpointRelax is actually a giant tuning knob for fixing overshoot - DMin is another tremendously relevant thing to consider, especially in conjunction with how TPA (TDA really) affects actual D-Term in different phases of flight.
When I started with quads I heard a lot about pids. Rates were secondary and buried in settings, to the point where I thought rates and pids were the same thing. I think rates need to be mentioned first. That’s my n00b perspective. I’ll focus on pids once I get a feel for my rates and flying style.
Practice makes perfect and the more time you spend on anything the better you'll get so dabble but spend your time where it matters most! HAVEING FUN not just one thing in particular... 🍻cheers🥃
Magic FPV don’t knock it till you try it, I’d suggest you try it, just cause the numbers aren’t the highest and greatest doesn’t meant it won’t fly well. From my experience with 4.1, I believe everyone should at least try it THOROUGHLY and then make the judgment if its worthwhile.
Really great video guys, appreciate the info. Quick question for Alex: In BF 4.1 with bi-directional d-shot you can set a min motor rpm in addition to an idle throttle setpoint. Would this help with the shaking you were finding at low throttle value?
I think I'll take the team's advice that Vanover is the better tuner. Sure seemed like it. Seems like Drew's was a good balance of working well without a lot of work. I'm sure some feel like Vanover was arrogant, but he did constantly try to credit the community with helping him to learn. Felt like he was trying to give back to the community.
Could I have a video on Vanover tuning a 7" drone I hear there really hard to tune and I think he has great reasons why he does certain things I'd like for you guys to tune 7" free style tune tho thanks interested to see how 3 of you tune 7"
You are using the dji transmitter. Are you digging it ? I'm just getting my first drone, a micro. Planning on doing a custom and one I can use to drop for fishing. Currently using ix12 for fixed wing. Why would I not want to use ix12 for drone??? Great video 👍 thanks.
@@LokaLize Without the black box you are shooting into dark, but it is possible - look for hot motors when adjusting filters and listen for jitter when adjusting the pids. 'By feel' method will give you good enough tune ;)
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I think you all had similar settings in the end.. Reduce I, Increase P & D - Reduce filters. That about seems to be the preferred settings. Thanks guys!
Just recieved a custom build from rotor riot earlier this week. The pid and filter setting are almost identical to vanovers'. Thing is a freestyle beast on 4S... Best quad I've owned to date... I've built 3, but this time was feeling lazy...
I wish you made a part 2 where you all flew each other's tunes! THAT would be super interesting to see imo.
Awesome vid tho and it's cool to see the difference in tuning strategies from each pilot!
I thought that was what they were going to do at the end and then rank them from best to worst blind study style.
@@veek2767 so true
Stop the presses. I tried Vanny's rates and pids and could not believe how well my drone flew today. Awesome stuff guys!
do oyu have the same setup or will it work for other setups aswell?
@@ProfessorMuchachosimilar setups should take a similar tune very well. For example I have a 5" on 2205.5 2400kv, but no GoPro. Being slightly lighter weight and having smaller than average motors, I didn't need to go quite as high on my P-gains, and I prefer a slightly stiffer feel so I left my I-gains alone at stock settings. I also dont suggest taking the RPM filtering down to a single filter, leave it at 3. This does not add enough latency to make it worth taking the other notches away.
Jack Bisson had a Mark4 for just over a week and watched this yesterday. Tried this and wow, flies like butter. The difference is staggering. The Van Man obviously knows his stuff👌tuned it with the GoPro on the kwad.
Same here- I set all settings the same as Vanover and it flies on rails with MUCH less noise, heat and, "warble" (my word for the bad noise and movement at zero thr.)
Titan XL5 with Crazypony 2207 racing motors - 5140- iFlight 40 Amp Succex and F4- 1500 4s 100C.
I loved that Alex had the most professional approach towards the whole process. He knows how to accurately interpret the feel he has. The best F1 pilots always came from those who were able to tell what the car does so the engineers can do adjustments instead of a guesswork. The end result have convinced me even more. I think Joshua have been schooled a tiny bit there...but no hard feelings. ;)
Q: How many freestyle pilots does it take to change a lipo?
A: 3. One to change the lipo, one to vlog, and one to mess up the vlog *cough cough* Vanover..
bahahahahahahahahaha
😂😂😂
Dude your famous
@@BubbyFPV You`re
I think it's worth mentioning the person who JB got the settings for the 4.1 notch filters is the Mark from UAV Tech, he's super knowledgable about the actual processes used in the software and has very descriptive vids on tuning. He deserves some more mention
Definitely! I shout him out every chance I get!
@@JoshuaBardwell Awesome yeah I remember you mentioning him in your 4.1 tuning guide. I used his video before yours came out to get that sweet sweet rpm filter goodness
Le Drib tune all the way.
I will say, Vanny, you’re good. But if you humbled yourself a measure, you’d get so much more respect :)
Happy flying team!
Is he usually that obnoxious
I love flying and hate tuning. I'm glad the developers are working on the firmware to make it easier for guys like me. Good vid guys
Yes, I really wonder why there is no autotune function based on Blackbox log file. Maybe in the future!
Probably my first comment on the channel videos. JB, lowering filters lowest possible helped me so much. Tuning stars with filtering. Massing with "I" doesn't make any sense. Rasing "P" up to a level is more logical to my stick feel, and "D" is always ready to work it once needed... Thanks to all of you for such a video which tells "there is no right or wrong way of tuning. Quad is to be tuned for it's pilot only".
This is the best and most helpful video I've watched from Rotor Riot all year. You guys really hit a home run with this one! I have an idea for a series. Someone sends you a quad that flies like crap and you show us why it flies so bad and how to fix it. The Rotor Riot team has been in the game so long that they don't really have any of the typical mistakes that us noobs have, so a series like that could help your audience immensely and make your audience feel more connected to the team.
But to answer your question: I will be mostly playing with the tune that Drew recommends cause his flights are just so damn juicy!!!
this is a great idea! I think we will do this!
I also like this idea. I really like Rotor Riot for making the hobby approachable, a vlog series of "Pimp My Quad" could be educational and fun.
Yeah thats a really cool idea !!!
Love this video to! So much helpful information. And that idea is great! 😀
Yaaaaaaas!!
It all makes soo much more Sense now. I see it as an audio signal passing through a DSP. If anyone understands that.. never tuned but will now. thanks again guy's
Saved the video. Going out this Sunday to test all 3.
How I tune:
- get a BB log and push it through PlasmaTree to adjust filters
- repeat and adjust PID step response to be perfect
- do BB logs while increasing PIDs until it gets worse or motors get hot
- start crying cause I used crap components so I got a lot of noise in the gyro loop
- eventually give up
Lower your gyro/PID loop frequency, I'd bet you get less noise!
I actually did that when trying RPM filtering with 4.1, didnt change anything.
Since its only on pitch axis and only above 50% throttle I assume its just a bad gyro or something like that. Will probably just try another FC.
LeonidasGFX can’t even believe that the experts didn’t mention pid toolbox or plazmatree. F-ing joke.
How i tune : flies ? Ok good
Doesnt fly : well guess im fked
🤣😂
It's funny how almost everyone doesn't really know what half of the things do on the new betaflight. RIP 3.3 /3.5 DAYS....
Thanks for explain guys!
Fun Fact: most didn't know what the settings did in 3.3 and 3.5 either.
@@uavtech i know how to tune this settings, but people not need settings... they want just fly ... and emuflight did it .. betaflight rip ...
@@t.me_hgjhghgf LOL... That is fucking rediculous. EMU is BF 3.5 PLUS more settings, not less. Fucking politics kills me with these dumb shit statements.
Explain to me how this looks any simplier?
www.screencast.com/t/QFCqbmP7
Oh wait, just explain to me what W actually does. Or why it is good - or bad - to have different filter settings per axis.
@@uavtech sweet f-bomb settings yo 😆
@@Aridrona it is adorable how the guy who started Emu basically quit and hates the fanboy attitudes of some of the users. He dropped out of the github because of it.
So drama, drama, drama and the attitude that pops out of superiority when in reality the key open source devs in the community - the best of the best - all contribute to BF. So, do your thing. It is cool to have other forks (like iNAV and Silverware, etc...) but drop the shit. You are not superior. You are not taking over anything. As long as the talent sticks to project A, project A will be king.
JB filter settings are a game changer. I set all my quads up the same way with the exceptions of pids. My 3" and 5" 6s quads do better with slightly lower p and D gains. I love the locked in default I settings. I love to fly LOS freestyle with a racing quad. Definitely my favorite way to fly. I know everyone I'm definitely missing out on fpv. My buddies are pushing me hard to learn fpv. Take care everyone and thanks rotor riot, JB and UAV Tech for there continued knowledge and sharing it to everyone. Rarely in this world do you get something for nothing, this being the exception
Le Drib, i was having problems on my new build with tuning. So i legit followed along with you on all your settings...ive never flown anything better. its so buttery and smooth and i absolutely love it. thanks for the in depth explanation!
It's not possible to give a right answer. Joshua Bardwell was showing the gopro 7 fotage with hypersmooth ON. We could hear some noise bu't couldn't apreciate it on camera. The Drew part was good, we could see how his pid's worked. And Vanover's flight just last 5 seconds, and he was flying very openly/juicy, I mean, to know how a quad flies you also need do make some short and fast movements. The idea was really good, the result wasn't what I expected. Anyway, the pid tunning part was very interesting! Cheers!
This has got to be one of the best Rotor Riot videos to date. I have been in the hobby for 3 years and have been watching Bardwell and Rotor Riot since the beginning, and I still learned a lot from this video. Keep it up Rotor Riot!
There's gotta be like 6 other settings that I mess with in BF that aren't mentioned in this video at all. I love how different everyone tunes the quad. You guys should do a part 2 explaining the physical variables of the quad that should be taken into consideration: battery size, motor size and kv, prop pitch, HD cam, etc.....
Just getting in to quads and I think it's amazing that pros such as yourselves can provide free information to the community so noobs such as myself, don't have to be scared in messing with stuff. I'm probably super late to the game but good work gents. 👏. Thanks for the free info. 🙏🏾
Maybe Vanover has the best tune but Drew is on the track where you want to be. Thanks Joshua.
Tuning becomes easy when you always tune the same type and size of quad.
i honestly think alex did the best job explaining his settings - quick and precise explanation and it didnt feel like an eternity (joshuas tuning vids are good and all but they are roughly 20-30 minutes where as vanny just essentially provided the same info in 10 minutes aaand he even fitted some banter as well as a stuck quad in there... talking about efficiency :P)
Bardwell wins !! Nobody else checked motor temp, but would have been better if cricket tested every one else's tune.
Thanks for all the great info y'all.
I flew my quad on BetaFlight 3. something and default tunes and it was great coming form an very old drone without even air mode. This week i updated to the newest firmware and it flys so much better without even chaining any PIDs.
Just want to thank you Gentlemen for taking the time to put together this amazing video about tuning, love the fact each one of you have different approaches to tuning!! Keep up the great work you boys do for this amazing hobby
Would have liked to have seen each of the three pilots fly the tunes BLIND from the other pilots in addition to their own, and pick which tune they felt was the best...
My setpoint weight was 1.0. So i tried 0.9 like drew. Wow! Made my videos smoother, I can powerloop better, not many jerky moves. Smooth!
Dream episode: UAV TECH tunes a Vanny freestyle build, then hands it over to Vanover for his final polish. The dialogue between those two getting from the UAVT tune to the final Vanny tune will be gold. Vanny, UAV and all of us will learn something that day.
I'm agree with Drib tune process, Vannover is more practical to adjust PID and rates values, but it works
this really is a great vid depending on the level of your flying they basically go over everything from beginner to advanced fro tuning, lots of good info
Thank you for taking the time to make this great video, very much appreciated.
Ordered the Rotor Riot HD1 Build over the weekend. I'll be flying the default tune for quite a while but good insight into how tuning is just a personal preference.
If you have a light 6s quad you will benefit from dropping p and d balance to 8 or 7. That's per betaflight instructions in 4.1 tuning notes. Defaults are great for gopro fpv pilots. That's been my experience. There's also a massive benefit to going to 48k on pwm in blheli_32
Great video guys. As a noob, I've been curious about how to tune and what to look out for. This really helped me understand the basic concepts. Now I might not be so afraid to mess with the tune. I'm sure much of the jerkiness in my video is due to operator error, but hopefully I'll be able to start smoothing it out now.
35:30 Vanover nails it there is no right or wrong it'swhat your personal preference is. 👍good job
following drews tune, love the freaking smoothy smooth feel
Joshua Bardwell is pretty cool. luv his videos. Not in a guy crush way but he knows his stuff.
My quad flies crap but so do i so i recon its the perfect tune :)
Drew tuning work perfect for me on my geprc mark4 hd5 without gopro
JB changed his recommendation for the gyro number from 1 to the default of 3
THE BEST VIDEO RR HAS EVER MADE !!
THANKS FELLAS 👍 SOOOOO HELPFUL TO MANY MANY PEEPS.
Love the in depth analysis mixed in with the hilarious pilot personalities. I definitely learned a lot too!
I thought Bardwell backtracked on the harmonics setting choices after discussing with betaflight devs as it was essentially a pretty bad idea to drop it to 1 and those other settings as leaving it at default added truly minimal latency but guarded much better against bent props and other damage (and dropping it had little benefit?). Which maybe could explain the hot motor at the end.
Yes, I was like really do they didn't realize ?
This was my first thought.
Correct. 3 is the right number as there are always other harmonics to account for. They give conflicting info in this video and both people attribute the info to Bardwell. ha
@@woopweep9605 i guess we deff hear what we want, or interpret things diff, because all of these poilets, myself included watched and learned from bardwell, but we all went off into the field with our crazy friends that started making us think we need to make the tune better.... so MAYBE ILL fly better..? I love a good tune, but crickets right, in that, times a commodity and should be spent more flying than tuning, while I'M NOT tossing tuning out the window, just every hour we spend flying makes our footage 10x better.. its all about that juicy muscle memory first and I was watching vanonvers tune like 🤯 lol yet, I don't think that would work FOR ME, but it looked amazing!? so q. Is, Was it just the best flight untill he hung it? B4 frying anything? Or a trully better tune? personally those rates alone are race rates I would feel soo uncomfortable with, but I dono he's a pro. And a damn good one, still worth taking into consideration. My Point @JB, TY for all the hours you have given up on the sticks, to produce some of the if not the gold standard of uav info always developed on point and on time, redacted as needed, times change but we all still learned something today! Lol.fun vid, love it! Is this the best how to on the web.. prob not, but we learned something.... lol mad Respekt all fpv massive
@@woopweep9605 for a min forgot it was a reply just became more of a general statement comment it's early lol my bad no disrespect✌
"The Stock tunes fly better then ever" So damn right i was so unhappy how my 2.5 inch flew finally put BF 4.2 on it without doing anything this thing flys absolutly awesome!
I'd vote Drew. Although I don't fully understand the nomenclature....His style/tune imo is the most digestible and easy to watch.
The PID sliders are there to automatically adjust the zeroes and poles of the system transfer function for the PID control system, in the flight controller feedback loop, while keeping the equation balanced for varying term gains Kp, Ki and Kd.
This avoids the calculations that should be performed (but no one does) during manual tuning for determining Kp, Ki and Kd.
As one of the two folks that put a lot of input into developing, EXACTLY!!
Went with the blonde’s settings on a similar build. Thanks for the butter!
ALL HAIL VANOVER!!! honestly this was golddddddd more videos like this please. This was my favorite RR episode and I have been around since day 1
We wanna see vanover tune a race quad!!
true he is real reality animal tuning
I have found that if your motors are straight, your frame is not broken or delaminating, all your hardware is tight and your flight controller is soft mounted. Very little to no tuning is required to get smooth oscillation free flight. Some frames, Expecially top mount battery frames will require tuning because the balance of the CG is not correct. If a craft is very nose heavy (due to gopro) or even worse Tail heavy( because you have to slide battery back too far to accomodate gopro) , you will have slow oscillations and all kinds of problems getting it to fly smooth. Tuning may help but if you have to work hard to get a good tune there is usually something else wrong with your quad.
The main thing I use tuning for is if my quad feels soggy, I raise my P gains a bit, If my quad oscillates when performing hard turns, punchouts or hard G maneuvers, then I lower the Pgain value. If motors are getting hot, or horizontal lines form in my video, I lower D gains. Thats it, never play with filters or anything else, and my quads fly perfectly.
I reaaaalllly appreciate this video especially since I struggle so much with tuning
If I ever do camera work for a vlog, I'm going to have to remember to zoom in/out randomly for dramatic effect... ;D
Seriously though, thank you for this episode, I'm going to have to watch it at least once more to help my tuning.
Haven't watched yet but it is great idea for video!
EDIT: guys, UAV Tech ftw
Boom! LOL.
Thanks!
@@uavtech What did you think of this video? I'd love to hear your thoughts!
This is super expert level stuff, good for anyone that knows what to do with it! I like Cricket's approach. Bind 'n Fly and adjust as you go.
Great episode, kids. All three hosts definitely contributed to a a really informative video. More of this, less silly warehouse playtime.
More of this kind of Episode, please ,, very educational ..Thank you!
Ok had to flash FC first but no problem doing that thanks to Joshua. My chameleon flew great when i was learning to fly but when pushed flew crap so give it a go flys great motors not getting hot and were i live down under it is so hot and have bush fires raging around me and so simple
fantastic video. really enjoyed that. was a fun watch guys.
Lol at cricket and “you don’t have to tune Flightone” so right my man but I do like to adjust P a little bit on all my fl1 quads. But generally the high power tune and 2 dual bi quad filters all set to 200 gets me 98% there. 👍👍
Stock pids are great, on rpm filtering its amazing
Love this multipilot perspective. Great informative video. Plus one on blind testing as suggested in other comments.
Legend, my motors were hot after making a couple of changes with betaflight via my phone's otg, not even sure what happened, reverted to default settings and motors are cool again. Thanks for the insight
Gday Drew, JB great review of filter tunning, i think Drew and JB were the best Alex seems to over complicate it for beginners as a pro pilot he knows how his quads and his pid tunning feel but its not going to be the same for everyone as we all have different builds and fly different, Drew and JB make it a bit simpler not adjusting pids and over complicating it, great work you guys awsome vlog Drew your still the king mate.👍🛸
Whats with Cricket not knowing how to tune?
Per the Cricket question, some folks are more likely to adapt to their surroundings rather than making everything perfect. Like you learn to throttle out of a dive rather than pulling up which causes propwash,... I had to do that with my whoops because of "yaw washout". Maybe it could have been tuned out? I never really tried. I just learned to fly around it. Trying to learn to tune though as my skills grow and are just starting to unsettle the quad.
@@rcrdps8144 thats cool i just thought because he has been flying so long and so well that he had an idea on how to play with pids, filter tunning is very difficult if you dont know what your doing but he has 3 maybe more awsome tuners at hand to show him everything JB knowing the most of all he is the ultimate fpv tuner as well as Drew Alex Stingy, you see my point i dont know a lot about tunning but just by watching these guys on youtube i have learnt to build fly crash and very basic tune on pids and now bf has filter tunning so flying around a bad flying quad isnt the best way to fly and buy the way no one has a perfect tune they get very close to it but no one quad is perfect from what i can understand.👍
I think cricket spent his time ripping and learning his kwad. Having more fun than working on perfecting the perfect tune. Just my thought lol
@@epp1026del Yes total understand that but if i had all those awsome pilots around me i would have learnt from the best on how to tune properly as it is all i can do is watch youtube and try different things but im no expert, cheers mate have a great one.👍🛸
Great video! Appreciate the help!
Vanover rates.. different every time he talks about them.. lol Great video guys!! Very appreciated.
Fun content. Quite enjoyed Vanover's explanations, might have to go follow him now as well.
18:50 - Vanny roll will test for propwash.. 😂
He's not wrong! 😂
Its awesome He's got a trick named after him.. ❤
Great video as always. Keep up the good work. Rotor Riot is who inspired me to get into drones.
Next...the same on a 3” :-)
THIS!
Agreed!
Like the way you guys are teaching killing it
i was just watching the DRL and i love you vannover!
I use default settings, with rpm filter, and filters close to Red.
The pid original. Use in tree differents quads 350gr with nice carbon frame and constructionw
Thanks Y'all. The timing of this vid for me is spot on 😁
I love that HW 60a esc 👍👍
Nice Video Thanks, i try with 4.1, for my still work fine 3.5.7 but i need try 4.1 thanks again.
This helped so much. Fixed a lot of my problems...then i got carried away and snapped an arm off. Bahahaha. Still stoked!
Add in changing I-term relax to gyro and 11 (@UAV Tech) and you guys all would have perfect freestyle tunes for your style. Great video.
Jb "your going to learn something today"
Was funny
I've been recommending lower i for so long.. 😂
About time.
I mean, anyone who read the Github tuning notes when 4.0 came out knows this. I think most people just don’t read the GitHub. I bet the majority of people who complain about BF don’t read the GitHub 🤷🏾♂️
@@woopweep9605 I've heard it from devs! They got big mad when I said no. Apparently they were relying on the simulated models. 🙄
Stanton High when you said no to what?
@@woopweep9605 running super high i with no negative effect.
Very nice episode, thanks guys, I've learned much more from this, nicely done!
Awesome content, great overall advice - in detail I wouldn't copy any of this stuff verbatim.
The best tune award goes to: Mark Spatz. Send him that quad... then get it back and see how everybody likes it.
Dynamic notch set to a 0 q value (single notch) is objectively better - VBat PID Compensation is tremendously helpful (particularly on small builds) - iTermSetpointRelax is actually a giant tuning knob for fixing overshoot - DMin is another tremendously relevant thing to consider, especially in conjunction with how TPA (TDA really) affects actual D-Term in different phases of flight.
Joshua it was your tune that won it for me. Also alex has not responded to my prop wall signed prop request LOL
I was hoping for a blind test of each tune by the 3 of you guys, to see which one each of you like best.
When I started with quads I heard a lot about pids. Rates were secondary and buried in settings, to the point where I thought rates and pids were the same thing. I think rates need to be mentioned first.
That’s my n00b perspective. I’ll focus on pids once I get a feel for my rates and flying style.
Practice makes perfect and the more time you spend on anything the better you'll get so dabble but spend your time where it matters most! HAVEING FUN not just one thing in particular...
🍻cheers🥃
Best video in a longtime thanks 👌
Nice vid boys .But im going with JB all the way . JB you the man 👊
Dshot 300 and 4K 😬... think I’ll stick with BF 3.5 on my 6S quad
Magic FPV don’t knock it till you try it, I’d suggest you try it, just cause the numbers aren’t the highest and greatest doesn’t meant it won’t fly well. From my experience with 4.1, I believe everyone should at least try it THOROUGHLY and then make the judgment if its worthwhile.
ExplosiveFruits do you fly 6S?
ExplosiveFruits I did try it but it was worse, so I reflashed to 3.5
Magic FPV yeah I do, when you say you tried it, how long were you on it for?
Really great video guys, appreciate the info. Quick question for Alex: In BF 4.1 with bi-directional d-shot you can set a min motor rpm in addition to an idle throttle setpoint. Would this help with the shaking you were finding at low throttle value?
I think I'll take the team's advice that Vanover is the better tuner. Sure seemed like it. Seems like Drew's was a good balance of working well without a lot of work. I'm sure some feel like Vanover was arrogant, but he did constantly try to credit the community with helping him to learn. Felt like he was trying to give back to the community.
Great job explaining. I hate tuning. Just wanna fly. :)
Thanks guys, very informative. Great advice.
26:34 his eyes lol
Great video guys, nice job... 👍
Thanks 4 sharing the cheat codes guys!
Could I have a video on Vanover tuning a 7" drone I hear there really hard to tune and I think he has great reasons why he does certain things I'd like for you guys to tune 7" free style tune tho thanks interested to see how 3 of you tune 7"
Awesome job, guys! 😃
You are using the dji transmitter. Are you digging it ?
I'm just getting my first drone, a micro. Planning on doing a custom and one I can use to drop for fishing. Currently using ix12 for fixed wing. Why would I not want to use ix12 for drone???
Great video 👍 thanks.
the way bardwell touches cricket and says"your gonna learn something today" lol
excellent content finally taking apart the mystery's! love it . Educational
Mark Spatz has the best tunning guide on the web right now just go to his channel UAV Tech! Thanks for your input in this matter guys!
It's only for Blackbox tuning though?
Yeah love how the best pilots don't even know how to use black box, lol
I do think bb is great if you have a problem though.
@@LokaLize Without the black box you are shooting into dark, but it is possible - look for hot motors when adjusting filters and listen for jitter when adjusting the pids. 'By feel' method will give you good enough tune ;)
@@dweight1990 yeah.. I need to get an fc with SD card slot for sure!
Thanks a lot for this. So much great info.