There is no single villain, they all made unethical and cruel choices rooted in self-interest. But I have the most empathy for Tashi because she had the most to lose and she lost the most. She was by far the superior player, she had the most ambition, she was the shrewdest, she was the outsider in many ways (race and class), and she felt the weight of the responsibility of supporting her entire family with her winnings. It's hard to imagine the grief and resentment following a career-ending injury like that. So she focused her shrewdness and ambition and grief and resentment into the best option she had to stay in the tennis world, which is her only real love. It certainly does not excuse her abusive behavior towards Art - nothing does - but I think the movie does a good job of showing why she makes some of the choices she does. She's not a little rich boy who can rely on family money if it doesn't work out. Stakes are higher for her.
also remember after she got hurt she became a tenis tacher but it was not really at a high level, i mean after her injury you never see anyone know who she is, without art she woudl have been forgoten like a lot of college stars.
People might see the scene where she tells Art that she’ll leave him if he doesn’t win. But after she says this to him she whispers “is this what you need.” It made me realize that Art enjoys or maybe needs that pain to drive him. Art likes to be dominated by Patrick and Tashi. In different ways.
@@ellec2830 I noticed on my third watch. It made me realize that Tashi doesn’t enjoy being manipulative or dominating the boys(not all the time). But she’s often made to do it because the boys need it from her.
It also speaks to the dynamic that's developed between them. She may not want or like to tell Art this, but she knows it's what he needs to motivate him
@@gidiess7880 i agree and although people say she doesn’t love him. This is her way of loving him. Now she loves tennis the most but she does love Art as well.
i think the reason art needs that is because it is a trauma response from always having to chase after her and compete for her love. it is because she created a very emotionally toxic environment by constantly pitting the boys against each other and over decades, art has grown to adapt to that and "need" her abuse.
Heavy on the “ART KNEW WHAT HE WAS GETTING” Tashi has never pretended to anything but tennis hungry so I don’t know why people keep acting as if Art wasn’t a willing victim.
Everything kinda clicked when we got that flashback scene of Tashi and Art in Applebees when he asks her to be his coach. He wants that guidance and knows how talented she is. It was what they both wanted at the start, but by the end he wants more than she signed up to give. Loved her character so much and have so much more analyze now with this
Real, I believe what he hoped for was the motivation that she and Patrick had. By making her coach him, he hopes that the love of tennis would rub off on him.
Okay I am commenting a lot but one thing I remember is when she is playing in the game where she got injured she was in her head and not engaging in the relationship with tennis and the other player (Pepperdine girl). She was playing against a player who wasn't there (Patrick). She was cheating on tennis with Patrick while playing in that game. Because she was not mentally connecting to tennis. So after her injury not only is she searching and longing for that feeling in tennis. She wants to get back into the relationship with tennis as an apology to tennis because she failed to connect with it during that detrimental game. Its like tennis has left her (as a romantic partner) because she ignored and neglected it in that game. So her yearning is her wanting to apologize and gain back that romantic relationship she once had with tennis. So when Art loses love for it, she feels like tennis is breaking up with her again saying that she is not enough and it double hurts because it feels like Art is doing the same to her as well because she does love him to some degree.
i love that you used mary’s theme; i love this song so much. i think tashi is in perpetual survival mode. all of what she does after her knee injury is about staying afloat
Unfortunately Art did not need to do any meddling. Patrick and Tashi were going to break up regardless because of his lack of ambition and she was going to shift to Art anyway. There is a universe where Art didn’t meddle and she eventually breaks up with Patrick and gets with Art and continues her tennis career. I think she was physically attracted to Patrick but she was mentally attracted to Art because in the beginning he loved and saw tennis how she did based on the beach scene and the questions he tried to ask her.
@@lial2410 I think there is more to that scene. At the same time she’s in a lounge while the TV talks about her former opponent who won a grand slam and no one can beat. Tashi knows she could beat her if she wasn’t injured. So she’s disheartened about her injury and how someone else took a spot she was meant to have. What I mean with picking a partner is that overall, all 3 should be together but she still would have married Art regardless because he is the better option. Whereas Patrick is a lazy trust fund baby. But she is sexually attracted to him. But if you watch the beach scene you can tell that at some point Art saw tennis as Tashi did with the questions he was trying to ask her. It’s just that Patrick kept interrupting him. Overall Art is a guy that fits with her life whether she would have gotten injured or not. If she hadn’t gotten injured I think the resent she feels towards the two boys would be less and she maybe could have loved them both a little more.
@@goldrush18x yeah it’s kind of unfortunate how each one of the threes lives panned out. I mean people would consider art as most successful as the three, but he is in an unhappy marriage.
it's interesting how all three of them create this facade of being strong, dominating, sucessful, when in reality each of them is very insecure. Tashi as you mentioned is just 'somebody's wife', lost her stardom and power, Patrick has seemingly lost to Art an all fronts (didn't get to be a top player, doesn't have money, got rejected in favor of Art), and Art feels like he's a kid, pushed forward by a demanding mommy, potentially feeling that Tashi is slipping away into Patrick's arms.
I never saw Tashi as a master manipulator, because she is so so transperant with what she wants and what she is. She is obsessed with Tennis. That's the only thing she cares about. She never hides that. She doesn't even want to hide it, she can't. So if you go for a women whos only thought in her head is: tennistennistennis. You get what you get.
One random thought I had for some time in regards to class: In a way Art & Patrick as people from a higher class background with an established bond created a connection that Tashi could not really "overcome" even through all the hustling and mindgames...In the end they play, she doesnt, they embrace each other, not her. Even her adapting that look and lifestyle, ends up being an imitation of what the two boys had from the get go hence them not even being that passionate about it, which is baffeling to Tashi. This might be a flawed and kinda floppy look at the narrative in regards to class(-ism), but she essentialy did everything correct (in regards to her goal): Training the hardest, "networking" and using the boys in ways that benefit her, but in the end she really only loses.Through all the effort of breaking into this world, she is still an "other", not quite the same. I wonder what the director truly had in mind, about the queer themes as well.
She's tragic. But in no way they depict boys as heroes or get what they want. In this current Hollywood climate of wokeness and all, Tashi's character is portrayed as righteous and in the end, it closes with her being the one celebrating and feeling satisfied in her mission. There's no way they would let men get upper hand. She got exactly what she wanted in the first place. Go back and watch the movie 2 3 times to understand.
I believe Tashi had two siren moments. 1) The beginning at the beach with the boys with long hair bold blue color dress 2) With her husband in the muted 💎 jewel toned blue night gown where she does her ultimatum Blue represents various meanings I don’t think this movie has a villain per se, but flawed lovers instead There are three four relationships going on 1) The love for competition in tennis 2) The boys and the homewrecker 3) Tashi with both men 4) A true thruple couple It isn’t till the end when she makes her decision to do what she can to throw the match. That she realizes she loves her husband and daughter and wants to fight for her family. The end is Tashi isn’t in control but at the moment a band aid is put on their issues and gives them a chance to reconcile meanwhile getting their love for the sport back under an edm soundtrack. IMO Tashi status stands at: It’s complicated 😂
The marketing really played Tashi up as a female manipulator, but really she is not that more manipulative then the guys. I'm thinking of the time Art pitted Patrick and Tashi against each other.
I feel like Art and Tashi were the manipulators and Patrick’s always seeing them for what they’re doing, but he still goes along with them because he just wants to be loved by both of them 😂😂
I respect her hustle for stability. Anyone that grows up poor knows the feeling of only having one shot at success. The room for failure is slim to none. I dont view Tashi as a villain but that makes her worst in my view. She's a real person whom we can run into in our day to day life. And the fact that her injury and what that meant for her life makes her believe she has the right to walk over people. And its not her being in a drawing room contemplating her how she is going to mess people over. No. To her, that's just normal behavior that don't trigger any alarm bells in her head as it would for the majority of people. And one last point that I want to add because i keep hearing about how Art signed up for it so he cant complain about the clear domestic abuse (and thats the term for it, y'all) he is experiencing. Yes, Art knew she was ambitious and dominant. Thats probably why he was attracted to her to begin with. He saw in her what he lacked and naturally sought to balance himself out. Like take an honest look at yourself and your chosen friends and I assure you, those people are similar to you but also have something you don't. He also knew of her dedication to tennis and that by adding her to her coaching staff, she was going to push him which could have, and did, move him up in the rankings. From his perspective, Tashi was 100 percent the ideal person for him. But to say that that "he knew what he signed up for" a decade earlier when a lot of his motivation was just to get the girl of his dreams feels disgusting to me. And thats because its giving the blame the victim vibe. And i know its hard to look at that man and believe he is a victim of anything. But no one should be blame for not being able to see the future. I don't think in his wildest dreams Art, or really anyone that find themselves in a similar position, could have predicted that the person he loves and married was going to deal him such a card. So people saying "he knew what he signed up for" need to show me the documents he signed stipulating thats what was in the cards because am not buying it. Ive dated ambitious man with dominant personalities, are you saying if any of those man had kicked my a-- or emotionally abused me that I should have known better because it was to be expected? Like do you realize we would all be that guy from Final Destination if we went about life thinking everyone we meet are going to cause us such distress a decade later.
Hard agree. Also, he was infatuated with her, not true love. Hence, he simply couldn't see any bad sides in her (I have went through that myself and it is painful). Same goes for Patrick and his infatuation with ego. And Tashi with Tennis.
Thank you for saying this (especially if you are a woman). As a man it is genuinely disappointing seeing some of these takes that all of them are "just as much at fault," and writing off Tashi CHEATING on him, TWICE, as, "a bit toxic," or even, "messy and unafraid of being unlikable." She is not a master manipulator, but she definitely tries to be. She tries to do it with Patrick and he immediately identified it as abuse right away. Her reaction was to ignore and gaslight, and he understandably didn't come. It honestly had nothing to do with what Art tried and failed to do at lunch. The only seed that scene planted was acknowledging that she didnt love Patrick and Art loved her. Then Art stays with her post injury, clearly in love with her, and follows her even a fair bit after the injury. Something I am not sure people realize, when they are in the restaurant she is an established coach and a bit into her journey of loving tennis without playing it. When he once again confesses to her that he loves her, time has passed since they were fucking around in college. He is looking to make a name for himself. And then she makes the choice to come back. She loves Tennis, but I'm Art's mind who is to say that in the time since the injury she didn't learn to love someone else too? It's not at all Art, "knowing what he got into." She knows, he is taking a chance, and she slowly but surely reveals her cards over the relationship. He never gets a chance of seeing what she thinks of him without being a pro tennis player because that has never happened in the history of them knowing each other. But I guess since he thought the woman he had a kid with (or per the Atlanta scene, at least RAISES a kid with) actually loved him, he is just as much at fault? So many people will quote the, "does that make you happy," scene as something that means she secretly loves him and is just trying to push him Actually, but forget the part where she says, "I mean it." Or the part where after his I love him to the mother of his child, she says, "I know." She also went into his knowing how Art felt, and he could have gone in thinking she also loved him. Honestly Tashi is a cut above both the guys in the villain department. She is not evil for it's own sake but she is 100% selfish. Tashi manipulated and cheated on him with his rival and former best friend/lover, potentially lying about the paternity of his child with said lover, for years, emotionally manipulating someone to go through physical pain to satisfy her own urge to play Tennis. And the second he said, "you know maybe I want to just be a dad and a husband and take it easy on my body," she immediately cheats on him again with the same guy, and actively attempts to sabotage the last remaining spark he has for tennis just so that she can love Tennis through him a bit longer. Patrick slept with his best friends girl twice. Art talked behind a friend's back one time at lunch when they were college freshman. These three are equal? Lol ok. I know a lot of people shut down when men say this, but if the genders were reversed this would be a story about Stupid Abuser Tashi Who Really Likes Tennis and who is invading the lives of these poor bisexual lesbians.
Honestly, I think the movie is extremely heavy on the fact that Art and Patrick have definitely have a sexual relationship of some sort and stashing enjoys bringing that out especially in the context of tennis and desire and sex melting into one end game. Something Tashi is very aware of (she called tennis a relationship)
Gonna be honest i feel like people are seriously downplaying Tashi. She is an incredible character and very human and absolutely has reasons for being who she js, but that being is a monster. As a man it is genuinely disappointing seeing some of these takes that all of them are "just as much at fault," and writing off Tashi CHEATING on him, TWICE, as, "a bit toxic," or even, "messy and unafraid of being unlikable." She is not a master manipulator, but she definitely tries to be. She tries to do it with Patrick and he immediately identified it as abuse right away. Her reaction was to ignore and gaslight, and he understandably didn't come. It honestly had nothing to do with what Art tried and failed to do at lunch. The only seed that scene planted was acknowledging that she didnt love Patrick and Art loved her. Then Art stays with her post injury, clearly in love with her, and follows her even a fair bit after the injury. Something I am not sure people realize, when they are in the restaurant she is an established coach and a bit into her journey of loving tennis without playing it. When he once again confesses to her that he loves her, time has passed since they were fucking around in college. He is looking to make a name for himself. And then she makes the choice to come back. She loves Tennis, but I'm Art's mind who is to say that in the time since the injury she didn't learn to love someone else too? It's not at all Art, "knowing what he got into." She knows, he is taking a chance, and she slowly but surely reveals her cards over the relationship. He never gets a chance of seeing what she thinks of him without being a pro tennis player because that has never happened in the history of them knowing each other. But I guess since he thought the woman he had a kid with (or per the Atlanta scene, at least RAISES a kid with) actually loved him, he is just as much at fault? So many people will quote the, "does that make you happy," scene as something that means she secretly loves him and is just trying to push him Actually, but forget the part where she says, "I mean it." Or the part where after his I love him to the mother of his child, she says, "I know." She also went into his knowing how Art felt, and he could have gone in thinking she also loved him. Honestly Tashi is a cut above both the guys in the villain department. She is not evil for it's own sake but she is 100% selfish. Tashi manipulated and cheated on him with his rival and former best friend/lover, potentially lying about the paternity of his child with said lover, for years, emotionally manipulating someone to go through physical pain to satisfy her own urge to play Tennis. And the second he said, "you know maybe I want to just be a dad and a husband and take it easy on my body," she immediately cheats on him again with the same guy, and actively attempts to sabotage the last remaining spark he has for tennis just so that she can love Tennis through him a bit longer. Patrick slept with his best friends girl twice. Art talked behind a friend's back one time at lunch when they were college freshman. These three are equal? Lol ok. I know a lot of people shut down when men say this, but if the genders were reversed this would be a story about Stupid Abuser Tashi Who Really Likes Tennis and who is invading the lives of these poor bisexual lesbians.
I have even been played like a fiddle, so I can relay to that how it feels like when you get manipulated, moreover the portrayal of female protagonist character in this movie is so realistic.
There is no single villain, they all made unethical and cruel choices rooted in self-interest. But I have the most empathy for Tashi because she had the most to lose and she lost the most. She was by far the superior player, she had the most ambition, she was the shrewdest, she was the outsider in many ways (race and class), and she felt the weight of the responsibility of supporting her entire family with her winnings.
It's hard to imagine the grief and resentment following a career-ending injury like that.
So she focused her shrewdness and ambition and grief and resentment into the best option she had to stay in the tennis world, which is her only real love. It certainly does not excuse her abusive behavior towards Art - nothing does - but I think the movie does a good job of showing why she makes some of the choices she does. She's not a little rich boy who can rely on family money if it doesn't work out. Stakes are higher for her.
also remember after she got hurt she became a tenis tacher but it was not really at a high level, i mean after her injury you never see anyone know who she is, without art she woudl have been forgoten like a lot of college stars.
People might see the scene where she tells Art that she’ll leave him if he doesn’t win. But after she says this to him she whispers “is this what you need.” It made me realize that Art enjoys or maybe needs that pain to drive him. Art likes to be dominated by Patrick and Tashi. In different ways.
Wait, really?! I saw CHALLENGERS last night, & I missed that completely!!
@@ellec2830 I noticed on my third watch. It made me realize that Tashi doesn’t enjoy being manipulative or dominating the boys(not all the time). But she’s often made to do it because the boys need it from her.
It also speaks to the dynamic that's developed between them. She may not want or like to tell Art this, but she knows it's what he needs to motivate him
@@gidiess7880 i agree and although people say she doesn’t love him. This is her way of loving him. Now she loves tennis the most but she does love Art as well.
i think the reason art needs that is because it is a trauma response from always having to chase after her and compete for her love. it is because she created a very emotionally toxic environment by constantly pitting the boys against each other and over decades, art has grown to adapt to that and "need" her abuse.
Heavy on the “ART KNEW WHAT HE WAS GETTING” Tashi has never pretended to anything but tennis hungry so I don’t know why people keep acting as if Art wasn’t a willing victim.
Especially when he was a perpetrator and manipulator
Everything kinda clicked when we got that flashback scene of Tashi and Art in Applebees when he asks her to be his coach. He wants that guidance and knows how talented she is. It was what they both wanted at the start, but by the end he wants more than she signed up to give. Loved her character so much and have so much more analyze now with this
Real, I believe what he hoped for was the motivation that she and Patrick had. By making her coach him, he hopes that the love of tennis would rub off on him.
Okay I am commenting a lot but one thing I remember is when she is playing in the game where she got injured she was in her head and not engaging in the relationship with tennis and the other player (Pepperdine girl). She was playing against a player who wasn't there (Patrick). She was cheating on tennis with Patrick while playing in that game. Because she was not mentally connecting to tennis. So after her injury not only is she searching and longing for that feeling in tennis. She wants to get back into the relationship with tennis as an apology to tennis because she failed to connect with it during that detrimental game. Its like tennis has left her (as a romantic partner) because she ignored and neglected it in that game. So her yearning is her wanting to apologize and gain back that romantic relationship she once had with tennis. So when Art loses love for it, she feels like tennis is breaking up with her again saying that she is not enough and it double hurts because it feels like Art is doing the same to her as well because she does love him to some degree.
that's so interesting take wow
Oooh you just cooked with this Damm. I love this take and it really explains her reaction to him wanting to retire
i love that you used mary’s theme; i love this song so much. i think tashi is in perpetual survival mode. all of what she does after her knee injury is about staying afloat
Unfortunately Art did not need to do any meddling. Patrick and Tashi were going to break up regardless because of his lack of ambition and she was going to shift to Art anyway. There is a universe where Art didn’t meddle and she eventually breaks up with Patrick and gets with Art and continues her tennis career. I think she was physically attracted to Patrick but she was mentally attracted to Art because in the beginning he loved and saw tennis how she did based on the beach scene and the questions he tried to ask her.
But the ring scene makes it pretty clear that she was guilt tripped into her marriage… and she was really unhappy with Art‘s lack of ambition later on
@@lial2410 I think there is more to that scene. At the same time she’s in a lounge while the TV talks about her former opponent who won a grand slam and no one can beat. Tashi knows she could beat her if she wasn’t injured. So she’s disheartened about her injury and how someone else took a spot she was meant to have. What I mean with picking a partner is that overall, all 3 should be together but she still would have married Art regardless because he is the better option. Whereas Patrick is a lazy trust fund baby. But she is sexually attracted to him. But if you watch the beach scene you can tell that at some point Art saw tennis as Tashi did with the questions he was trying to ask her. It’s just that Patrick kept interrupting him. Overall Art is a guy that fits with her life whether she would have gotten injured or not. If she hadn’t gotten injured I think the resent she feels towards the two boys would be less and she maybe could have loved them both a little more.
Unfortunately that’s just your opinion and not an objective fact lol
@@goldrush18x yeah it’s kind of unfortunate how each one of the threes lives panned out. I mean people would consider art as most successful as the three, but he is in an unhappy marriage.
@Lisanalguib although this is your opinion this does seem like this would track logically in a sense.
it's interesting how all three of them create this facade of being strong, dominating, sucessful, when in reality each of them is very insecure. Tashi as you mentioned is just 'somebody's wife', lost her stardom and power, Patrick has seemingly lost to Art an all fronts (didn't get to be a top player, doesn't have money, got rejected in favor of Art), and Art feels like he's a kid, pushed forward by a demanding mommy, potentially feeling that Tashi is slipping away into Patrick's arms.
I never saw Tashi as a master manipulator, because she is so so transperant with what she wants and what she is.
She is obsessed with Tennis. That's the only thing she cares about. She never hides that. She doesn't even want to hide it, she can't.
So if you go for a women whos only thought in her head is: tennistennistennis. You get what you get.
One random thought I had for some time in regards to class: In a way Art & Patrick as people from a higher class background with an established bond created a connection that Tashi could not really "overcome" even through all the hustling and mindgames...In the end they play, she doesnt, they embrace each other, not her. Even her adapting that look and lifestyle, ends up being an imitation of what the two boys had from the get go hence them not even being that passionate about it, which is baffeling to Tashi. This might be a flawed and kinda floppy look at the narrative in regards to class(-ism), but she essentialy did everything correct (in regards to her goal): Training the hardest, "networking" and using the boys in ways that benefit her, but in the end she really only loses.Through all the effort of breaking into this world, she is still an "other", not quite the same. I wonder what the director truly had in mind, about the queer themes as well.
She's tragic. But in no way they depict boys as heroes or get what they want. In this current Hollywood climate of wokeness and all, Tashi's character is portrayed as righteous and in the end, it closes with her being the one celebrating and feeling satisfied in her mission. There's no way they would let men get upper hand. She got exactly what she wanted in the first place. Go back and watch the movie 2 3 times to understand.
Messy? Yes. Toxic, even. But not a villain -- she doesn't manipulate anyone who doesn't already *want* it deep down.
I believe Tashi had two siren moments.
1) The beginning at the beach with the boys with long hair bold blue color dress
2) With her husband in the muted 💎 jewel toned blue night gown where she does her ultimatum
Blue represents various meanings
I don’t think this movie has a villain per se, but flawed lovers instead
There are three four relationships going on
1) The love for competition in tennis
2) The boys and the homewrecker
3) Tashi with both men
4) A true thruple couple
It isn’t till the end when she makes her decision to do what she can to throw the match. That she realizes she loves her husband and daughter and wants to fight for her family.
The end is Tashi isn’t in control but at the moment a band aid is put on their issues and gives them a chance to reconcile meanwhile getting their love for the sport back under an edm soundtrack.
IMO Tashi status stands at: It’s complicated 😂
The marketing really played Tashi up as a female manipulator, but really she is not that more manipulative then the guys.
I'm thinking of the time Art pitted Patrick and Tashi against each other.
I feel like Art and Tashi were the manipulators and Patrick’s always seeing them for what they’re doing, but he still goes along with them because he just wants to be loved by both of them 😂😂
I respect her hustle for stability. Anyone that grows up poor knows the feeling of only having one shot at success. The room for failure is slim to none. I dont view Tashi as a villain but that makes her worst in my view. She's a real person whom we can run into in our day to day life. And the fact that her injury and what that meant for her life makes her believe she has the right to walk over people. And its not her being in a drawing room contemplating her how she is going to mess people over. No. To her, that's just normal behavior that don't trigger any alarm bells in her head as it would for the majority of people.
And one last point that I want to add because i keep hearing about how Art signed up for it so he cant complain about the clear domestic abuse (and thats the term for it, y'all) he is experiencing. Yes, Art knew she was ambitious and dominant. Thats probably why he was attracted to her to begin with. He saw in her what he lacked and naturally sought to balance himself out. Like take an honest look at yourself and your chosen friends and I assure you, those people are similar to you but also have something you don't. He also knew of her dedication to tennis and that by adding her to her coaching staff, she was going to push him which could have, and did, move him up in the rankings. From his perspective, Tashi was 100 percent the ideal person for him. But to say that that "he knew what he signed up for" a decade earlier when a lot of his motivation was just to get the girl of his dreams feels disgusting to me. And thats because its giving the blame the victim vibe. And i know its hard to look at that man and believe he is a victim of anything. But no one should be blame for not being able to see the future. I don't think in his wildest dreams Art, or really anyone that find themselves in a similar position, could have predicted that the person he loves and married was going to deal him such a card. So people saying "he knew what he signed up for" need to show me the documents he signed stipulating thats what was in the cards because am not buying it. Ive dated ambitious man with dominant personalities, are you saying if any of those man had kicked my a-- or emotionally abused me that I should have known better because it was to be expected? Like do you realize we would all be that guy from Final Destination if we went about life thinking everyone we meet are going to cause us such distress a decade later.
Hard agree. Also, he was infatuated with her, not true love. Hence, he simply couldn't see any bad sides in her (I have went through that myself and it is painful). Same goes for Patrick and his infatuation with ego. And Tashi with Tennis.
Thank you for saying this (especially if you are a woman). As a man it is genuinely disappointing seeing some of these takes that all of them are "just as much at fault," and writing off Tashi CHEATING on him, TWICE, as, "a bit toxic," or even, "messy and unafraid of being unlikable." She is not a master manipulator, but she definitely tries to be. She tries to do it with Patrick and he immediately identified it as abuse right away. Her reaction was to ignore and gaslight, and he understandably didn't come. It honestly had nothing to do with what Art tried and failed to do at lunch. The only seed that scene planted was acknowledging that she didnt love Patrick and Art loved her. Then Art stays with her post injury, clearly in love with her, and follows her even a fair bit after the injury. Something I am not sure people realize, when they are in the restaurant she is an established coach and a bit into her journey of loving tennis without playing it. When he once again confesses to her that he loves her, time has passed since they were fucking around in college. He is looking to make a name for himself. And then she makes the choice to come back. She loves Tennis, but I'm Art's mind who is to say that in the time since the injury she didn't learn to love someone else too? It's not at all Art, "knowing what he got into." She knows, he is taking a chance, and she slowly but surely reveals her cards over the relationship. He never gets a chance of seeing what she thinks of him without being a pro tennis player because that has never happened in the history of them knowing each other. But I guess since he thought the woman he had a kid with (or per the Atlanta scene, at least RAISES a kid with) actually loved him, he is just as much at fault? So many people will quote the, "does that make you happy," scene as something that means she secretly loves him and is just trying to push him Actually, but forget the part where she says, "I mean it." Or the part where after his I love him to the mother of his child, she says, "I know." She also went into his knowing how Art felt, and he could have gone in thinking she also loved him. Honestly Tashi is a cut above both the guys in the villain department. She is not evil for it's own sake but she is 100% selfish.
Tashi manipulated and cheated on him with his rival and former best friend/lover, potentially lying about the paternity of his child with said lover, for years, emotionally manipulating someone to go through physical pain to satisfy her own urge to play Tennis. And the second he said, "you know maybe I want to just be a dad and a husband and take it easy on my body," she immediately cheats on him again with the same guy, and actively attempts to sabotage the last remaining spark he has for tennis just so that she can love Tennis through him a bit longer.
Patrick slept with his best friends girl twice.
Art talked behind a friend's back one time at lunch when they were college freshman.
These three are equal? Lol ok.
I know a lot of people shut down when men say this, but if the genders were reversed this would be a story about Stupid Abuser Tashi Who Really Likes Tennis and who is invading the lives of these poor bisexual lesbians.
She’s not the best person but with every watch I couldn’t hate her.
Honestly, I think the movie is extremely heavy on the fact that Art and Patrick have definitely have a sexual relationship of some sort and stashing enjoys bringing that out especially in the context of tennis and desire and sex melting into one end game. Something Tashi is very aware of (she called tennis a relationship)
Gonna be honest i feel like people are seriously downplaying Tashi. She is an incredible character and very human and absolutely has reasons for being who she js, but that being is a monster. As a man it is genuinely disappointing seeing some of these takes that all of them are "just as much at fault," and writing off Tashi CHEATING on him, TWICE, as, "a bit toxic," or even, "messy and unafraid of being unlikable." She is not a master manipulator, but she definitely tries to be. She tries to do it with Patrick and he immediately identified it as abuse right away. Her reaction was to ignore and gaslight, and he understandably didn't come. It honestly had nothing to do with what Art tried and failed to do at lunch. The only seed that scene planted was acknowledging that she didnt love Patrick and Art loved her. Then Art stays with her post injury, clearly in love with her, and follows her even a fair bit after the injury. Something I am not sure people realize, when they are in the restaurant she is an established coach and a bit into her journey of loving tennis without playing it. When he once again confesses to her that he loves her, time has passed since they were fucking around in college. He is looking to make a name for himself. And then she makes the choice to come back. She loves Tennis, but I'm Art's mind who is to say that in the time since the injury she didn't learn to love someone else too? It's not at all Art, "knowing what he got into." She knows, he is taking a chance, and she slowly but surely reveals her cards over the relationship. He never gets a chance of seeing what she thinks of him without being a pro tennis player because that has never happened in the history of them knowing each other. But I guess since he thought the woman he had a kid with (or per the Atlanta scene, at least RAISES a kid with) actually loved him, he is just as much at fault? So many people will quote the, "does that make you happy," scene as something that means she secretly loves him and is just trying to push him Actually, but forget the part where she says, "I mean it." Or the part where after his I love him to the mother of his child, she says, "I know." She also went into his knowing how Art felt, and he could have gone in thinking she also loved him. Honestly Tashi is a cut above both the guys in the villain department. She is not evil for it's own sake but she is 100% selfish.
Tashi manipulated and cheated on him with his rival and former best friend/lover, potentially lying about the paternity of his child with said lover, for years, emotionally manipulating someone to go through physical pain to satisfy her own urge to play Tennis. And the second he said, "you know maybe I want to just be a dad and a husband and take it easy on my body," she immediately cheats on him again with the same guy, and actively attempts to sabotage the last remaining spark he has for tennis just so that she can love Tennis through him a bit longer.
Patrick slept with his best friends girl twice.
Art talked behind a friend's back one time at lunch when they were college freshman.
These three are equal? Lol ok.
I know a lot of people shut down when men say this, but if the genders were reversed this would be a story about Stupid Abuser Tashi Who Really Likes Tennis and who is invading the lives of these poor bisexual lesbians.
What did you say in this part? 0:47
Background music was distracting. Kept thinking my morning alarm was alerting.
I honestly feel kind of bad for Tashi, but can't bring myself to totally hate Art which shows that his manipulation worked well
But we’re not meant to hate Art 🤭
I have even been played like a fiddle, so I can relay to that how it feels like when you get manipulated, moreover the portrayal of female protagonist character in this movie is so realistic.