I'm kinda glad Penelope & Eloise aren't friends (for now)
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What I think people don't talk about enough, is that even if Cressida and Penelope have both been out for the same amount of years, Cressida is still considered on the marriage market but Penelope is already considered a spinster
I feel like only Penelope sees herself as a spinster sometimes, I mean multiple people try and chat her up even though she sucks
@@babygurlcatsparkle she sucks because she's Lady Whistledown or?
@@babygurlcatsparklenah mate people literally call her a spinster within the season LMAO
@@babygurlcatsparkleso no it’s not just Penelope who thinks she is it’s literally everyone, the Ton, the marriage mart, her own mother both her sisters AND all of the suitors
Aren’t cressida’s parents pulling their hair out and ready to marry her off to her father’s friend? I think the marriage mart recognizes cressida and her family aren’t a first choice. Their reputation isn’t well liked. The Bridgerton boys make their comments about Cressida which implies most of the male age mates of the ton don’t like her.
I saw a saying go that it’s not the mother you must impress, but the sister.
Cressida has been catty to all the other girls in the ton, and if any of those girls have brothers they share their thoughts on her to them.
Eloise still hasn't really gotten rid of all her bad habits. Cressida was really heartbroken when talking about how her dad was gonna marry her off to one of his old friends.
That was really disturbing and scary, but she made a joke about how that would be German literature inspired 🤦♀️
She makes fun of society for that all the time, but she doesn't understand that ladies like Cressida and Pen have no choices. Unlike her.
100%. Cressida is a huge bully, but she's also clearly in a horrible and genuinely pitiable position. Eloise's German lit joke played to me as so callous it was borderline cruel, and the fact that Cressida didn't even really respond (especially after we've seen that her own default defense mechanism is cruelty) really struck me as proof of how unbelievably desperate she is to have a friend.
She didn't say it was inspired, but that if Cressida were to write her life into a novel it would be best suited for German literature.
I don't think it was said as flippantly as you portray, but more as an attempt to make Cressida lighten up. I think she did realize afterwards that it was not the way to go (as it is still a callous and unfriendly way to respond) because she then goes to check on her at home.
Unless I'm mixing up the timeline, then I think she has yet to realize how her desire to keep things light is actually not the best way to interact with friends and ultimately is an isolating action for everyone.
What choices does she have as a woman? Marry or become a spinster? She doesn't have rights, will never own property (in fact, if she marries, she will be property), can't travel, can't write freely, etc. It's very clear to me why people hate her, and it's because we hate women who speak up. A golden cage is still a cage. Also, she's the only one to look past Cressida's mean girl persona, and speak up about the fact that women are set up against each other in this type of environment. She's literally the only firend Cressida has and is the only one who's ever visited her..You talk about her not listing to others, whilst LITERALLY no one ever listens to a word she has to say about her condition as a woman. I feel like everyone's looking at her through a magnifying glass, and just letting things that other characters say or do slip (esp MEN, but also the fact that Penelope put Eloise in danger by informing everyone about her revolutionary activities)
I took her joke as an attempt to cheer Cressida up. You see Eloise's face fall when she realises Cressida isn't laughing
@@livcaitbffthe reality is tho that that’s a horrible situation that Eloise has never been threatened with so it comes across as tone deaf bc she doesn’t see the gravity of it
Eloise is the embodiment of a white privileged feminist. I understood her desire to not marry and do what she wishes without being attached to a man. However she is a Bridgerton and as such allowed to become a spinster if she chooses, while in less wealthy families, those women do not have that choice of safety net. I like this friendship with Cressida because it humbles her and forces her to see the reality of things. Eloise also tends to steamroll a conversation and situation and I’m glad Pen is getting her backbone to speak for herself and fine interest beyond Eloise and Eloise can actually just sit down and listen.
EXACTLY
YES! that's also why I thought it was interesting to have Eloise read Emma this season, given that the social aspect of marriage is a big plot point in that book
Agree but it isn't just about Eloise being more wealthy. Her family is very understanding in letting her do anything she wants. There would be much wealthier families than Bridgerton who wouldn't allow their girls freedom like Eloise's mom does. Obviously that's why the show is called 'Bridgerton' bc it focuses on the rare family in the ton where parents are very kind and understanding and raise their children very well.
I think that's what they meant about Cresida.
YES. This is exactly what frustrates me about Eloise. Every season someone has to remind her that she has it easier than most people of the town. I believe Penelope made the first comment in season 1, Theo in season 2, and now Cressida in season 3.
I believe Cressida’s outfits have become more ornate because it’s supposed to be reminiscent of a caged bird bc of how her own family treats her. Cressida and Pen have a lot in common in family and reactions. Probably why Eloise gravitated to Cressida. Cressida unknowingly reminded her of Pen.
I would argue all of the women in the show are a bird in a golden cage, but interesting point
Think of an exotic bird, she may want to stand out? Because standing out in conforming ways has become a central theme across Bridgeton. Daphne stood out, she was rewarded. Marina stood out, she was rewarded too if only for a short time (Pen was so wrong for cutting her wings fr, 10000 years of Karma for her!) these girls were pretty and dressed in very breath taking ways. I guess Cressida wants to emulate that too? That standing out, in a way that is not scandalous enough to doom her into life of spinstery.
@@stanbasicidol9444I'm not condoning Penelope's actions, but Marina was no saint either. Her plan was to hoist another man's baby on Colin so she could get away with her mistakes. Calling her out like that was bad, but Marina was forcing someone else's child on an unknowing man
I know that's what the showrunners said. But it's lazy storytelling to basically have the whole Featherington family in bad outfits as their main characteristic with canon reasonings as to why for the first 2 and 1/3rd seasons with Cressida always at the height of fashion, just to suddenly put Cressida in a bunch of hideous rags the season Penelope finally has enough money and freedom to upgrade to own wardrobe and make a brand new subplot about "Oh look how tragic Cressida is! She's a tall, slender, rich, beautiful high class girl, sought after by even a Prince, yet who viciously gossips about and bullies the girls around her, but omg she's wearing ugly clothes 🥺 the poor girl she must be saved!"
Her 3rd season out and we've only seen her go after guys who are already in contention, while bullying girls who've got a bevy of young, handsome, eligible brothers at home, one with a title, who spent an entire season **explicitly** on a bride hunt. We know for a fact how many guys are available, on the hunt, titled, landed, etc because we're hearing them all listed off and offered up to the Bridgerton girls. You're telling me Cressida couldn't have picked up any of Eloise' leftovers from last season? Any of Marina's rejects from season 1? Any of the duds off Francesca's stud list?
How did both of Penelope's sisters find young, loving husbands but Cressida can't even find a suitor she doesn't have to hunt down like prey? It makes no practical sense. It's just bad writing.
She was nearly picked by a prince, there wasn't a single man less objectionable than her decrepit father's hideous old friends? Or is it that literally everyone who knows anything about her doesn't want the kind of wife who throws punch down people's shirts, rips their gowns, or spreads gossip at their balls.
@@pvp6077it’s called bad luck, there are beautiful women who remain spinsters because love hasnt worked out for them. There are many female celebrities that are gorgeous who aren’t married even after being past the supposed age of a woman’s “prime”. Doesn’t have to bad writing, maybe Cressida being more beautiful combined with being mean makes her seem very intimidating to most men
I think that Penelope understood the effect of her writing about Eloise in Lady Whistledown. She only wrote about her friend to save her from the wrath of the Queen. I think people forget that the Queen was literally threatening Eloise at that time and Eloise was going to pretend to be Lady Whistledown just to get the Queen off of her back. Penelope wrote that scandal about her because she said it would make the Queen back off of Eloise. So I don’t think that was a lesson that Pen had to learn because it broke her heart to do it.
I hate that ppl forget that part
The Queen wanted to work with Lady Whistledown and the threat was to expose her if she refused to do that. I think that's the part people forget.
Exactly! They show how disterssed Pen was while making that decision and she was faaaaar from happy to write and publish Eloise's secret.
Why people keep portraying the whole thing as if Pen did it just for the sake of LW's triumph and new scandal ???
I don’t think her motivation for writing about Eloise was that pure. I think it came at least half from not wanting Eloise to get her credit because the Queen probably would have made it public. The fact that she eventually wrote about herself was essentially an olive branch.
I also hate that people tend to forget this part. At first I thought "Huh, even if the Queen had Eloise arrested she probably would have been fine by the time the next Lady Whistledown came out. It would have proven that she's innocent." On the other hand, people innevitably would have found out about Eloise being arrested and that would have caused a scandal as well.
I think the best thing about Pen publishing about her little lessons with Colin was how Eloise immediately realized just how important LW was for Penelope. Just how much she would sacrifice for Lady Whitledown. I think Pen always knew about the weight of her words, she just has her priorities all over the place sometimes, and she WAS trying to protect Eloise, but only now Eloise can have a little bit of her perspective.
“She WAS protecting Eloise”
Ignores Pen could have told Eloise who she was so they could work together. Ignores that all the Queen wanted was for LWD to write complimentary things of her. Ignores that Pen has already established a go between with Mme Delacroix so she could even communicate a plan with Eloise without even revealing herself. Takes Penelope's defense that the Queen wouldn’t believe her when Penelope must have enough proof about her doings to make a good case for herself, especially when she starts writing nice things about the Queen. ignores that political radicals is arguably the most dangerous thing it can be in their society and Eloise could have faced illegal repercussions for it.
This is an interesting take I hadn’t considered. Thanks for posting it!
@@bbybella9937 yes, I am taking everything you said in consideration and reiterating what I said. I'm not saying Penelope did good things, I'm saying LW is the most important part of her life in a lot of senses, and that she defends her over everything, even Colin, even Eloise, even herself. She warned Eloise multiple times and she didn't listen to her, so she made a desperate decision. Penelope knows the value of LW words. LW is the only way she is even a little bit free.
Plus, I wouldn't tell Eloise also, she's everything but a rational person. AND, in the beginning of everything, LW was also a way for Penelope to separate herself from Eloise, bc Eloise spent most of her time ignoring Pen's actual wants and dragging women with "traditional" wants down
@@MariaEduarda-ln2ep I always see the reasoning that Penelope “had” to resort to Whistledown because “no one listens to her.” But is that true? Did they really just close their ears and go “lalala” when she spoke to them? Or, is it that she was heard but she just wasn’t *obeyed*? And why do so many Penelope stans seem to have this absolute conviction that if she expresses something to someone or gives them advice, she is entitled to unquestioning compliance?
Eloise listened to Penelope about she concerns (which Penelope was mostly lying about to outright gaslighting Eloise with to keep from getting caught as LW. Not to mention the hypocrisy over lecturing Eloise about going to ‘bad parts of town unchaperoned’ while Penelope was doing the exact same thing), Eloise just decided that her conversations and friendship with Theo along with expanding her mind at the rallies she was attending were worth the risk. Which, again, very cool. No matter how people try to spin Eloise as some selfish asshole, her pushing back against the box the patriarchal society she exists in and wanting to reach beyond the arbitrary barriers of class and gender placed on her is very brave and admirable.
The Queen, the most dangerous enemy a person could have, was feeling vengeful because of Penelope’s actions, not Eloise, and just because you’ve warned a person that playing in the road is dangerous, it doesn’t give you the right to drive them down to prove your point.
Penelope is free to give her advice. Eloise is free to make her own choices. She doesn't owe Pen obedience or even trust at this point, especially not when Pen has been manipulating her for two series now.
One of the main reasons Eloise is trying to find out who Lady WD and analysing paper and tracking down printers is is because she wants to reach out someone who has genuine sway and influence in the ton and convince them to write about rights for women, such a horrible thing to do, the horrors. God forbid anyone interfere with Penelope living her Dan Humphrey best life. Penelope should be allowed to belittle women around her by talking about their sex lives and calling them beasts.
@@bbybella9937 again, first of all, I'm not saying she made a good choice or that she "did what she had to do", not even saying she's a good person, my point is that LW is the most important thing in her life and I'm not trying to say that that is a good or a bad thing.
Plus, yes, people close their ears and go "lalalalala" shen she talks. That's the whole point of her character. No one listens to her and takes her words in consideration. It's not about obedience, it's about not caring about her opinion at. all. Even the people she holds more dearly don't really care about what she has to say.
And about Eloise's feminism, don't get me started on that. What good does it make to be a feminist If you hate every woman around you? I think she's right about being worried that their society is so shallow and that women have no rights, don't get me wrong, but everything she does in the first two seasons is shit on other women. She's an activist, cool, she could use her influence to spread their ideas, unironically amazing, but literally all she did was being an ass to the women around her, and then putting herself and Theo in a dangerous position, even If I really liked them together. I really hope they develop her feminism in a better and more powerful way, and I think they're already doing that by making her interact with other women.
I personally have loved Eloise and Cressida's friendship so far this season. They are very honest with each other, which has only benefited both of them so far, and you can see in small steps that they are improving thanks to these feedback. Cressida could have told Penelope's secret, but she didn't because she knew Eloise wouldn't want to, and Eloise looks into herself more often and tries to fix her mistakes because Cressida tells them to her face. Maybe that's why Eloise sought her company, after what happened with Penelope.
Honest with each other only because Cressida put Eloise in her place. Eloise have to step out of her high horse.
Show pen is 100x more interesting than book pen.
Agreed. She's much more than just *secretly intelligent*
More drama for sure and I guess that's more interesting to most ppl. I think book pen is more likable but I guess she's more boring but to boring ppl that read the book way before the show was ever a thought, she's a really relatable character. It's actually my favorite book due to the ugly ducking having her swam moment in such a Penelope way. Although I would've made a change here and there, I wouldn't want to alter it much
Nah, book pen was more relatable
I think that in a way Eloise always was holding Penelope back because Eloise never understood (and never wanted to understand) what Penelope wanted and what she was going through. Eloise basically used Penelope to make herself feel good. In their own way they were both outsiders and they basically decided to just be lonely together, I think the ending of season two where Penelope basically called Eloise out for being so upset at finding out Penelope was whistledown was basically Penelope saying what she really thought of Eloise the entire time- and Eloise returned the thought in kind. Perhaps it was the first real honest conversation either of them had with the other about where they were going in life.
Let’s not forget that Eloise was perfectly happy with whistle down and even thought her clever and inspiring right up until the point where it was her family name and reputation on the line. The minute the shoe was on the other foot Eloise couldn’t turn against Penelope fast enough. I also think her friendship with the very person that used to (and still is!) be Penelope‘s chief tormentor also shows that Eloise couldn’t genuinely care at all about Penelope‘s feelings.
Personally, I think that Penelope would be better off not trying to renew this friendship and letting it go. Penelope needs to be more focused on where she wants to go from here because at the end of the day none of the Bridgerton family- however much she admires them- will lift so much as a finger to lend her any aid unless they are doing it for their own reasons.
Well literally apart from Collin
I mean, she started to stop liking and supporting Whistledown with the situation with Marina. She wanted to find her and force her to put Penelope’s family back in a good light and doesn’t seem interested in the gossip writing so much as finding her from the beginning of Season 2
How bitter. You people always force the narrative to not understand the nuances. If Eloise weren't a good friend she wouldn't have gone to a opera she had no interest in when she didn't need to just to talk to the queen about LW to try and get information that would lead to convincing the author to publish something good about the Featheringtons.
Eloise makes mistakes, Pen makes mistakes, that's frindship, that's life. And when they are ready to forgive they'll be friends again. Life isn't black and white, let's stop pretending friends have to be perfect.
Well SAID 👏
@@The-Busy-Beeeee He only cares bc he likes her so it is also for his benefit..
Cressida also tried to bully Daphne so for Eloise to be friends with her had me like WTF?!?
I don’t think she knows that happened 🤔
Oh yeah, if Daphne was still in the series. She would have definitely said something to Eloise 🙂↕️
I must say, I also really liked that Eloise and Penelope got to spend some time apart. When you spend a lot of time with someone you might start taking their presence in your life for granted (which I think we've seen happen with both Eloise and Penelope this season). I enjoyed how they both got to grow as people because it's going to make the following seasons more interesting (no matter whoever it is going to be Benedict's season or someone else's).
I also liked how they allowed us to peak into Cressida's life and that they made her a bit more vulnerable. It really allowed us, as the viewer, to understand how your childhood affects you and it also helped us to understand Eloise and her wold-view better. It also gives Cressida more depth to her character, which is especially important since she's a lot more present in the show than she was in the books.
There are some that don't enjoy this season so far, but I really like it despite it being different from the books.
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I love that you also pointed out Eloise's hypocritical behavior regarding her opinion of other women her age. I can't recall his name but I distinctly remember her telling that one lord in season two to f*ck off because he talked negatively about women. She essentially does the same thing the entire time, ridiculing her peers' interests and wishes, including Penelope's.
In what way does she do that? Her point is that her peers "interests" aren't choices. They are literally not allowed to do anything else. She's sick of the conversations always being the same, because as women, that's all they're allowed to talk about. She finds it hard, because she sees the oppression and subjugation around her. She notices how women are conditioned to become a man's property. She does also bond with them later, and learns that she can connect with them on other things. So many women and MEN (let's not forget where the real issue lies...) in the show have done and said much worse things about or against women, but somehow Eloise gets a shitton of hate because she doesn't care for embroidery, and she is compared to a disgusting misogynistic man with actual power. Jesus christ. If that isn't misogyny and sexism, I don't know what is.
@@mchlle94i agree with your points but i still believe that eloise has internalized misogyny. the way she looks down on other women showcases how privileged she is. cressida (and other women) have no choice but to get married because they were not born into a wealthy family unlike eloise. i think they will showcase her growth eventually and deconstruct her internalized misogyny
She said Pen interested in marrying is "unlike her", it means she doesn't know Penelope at all. She's just used to force her own beliefs on Pen and not listening to her.
@@mchlle94when she met Kate Sharma, she said “it’s nice to have another intelligent woman in the house”, as if she wasn’t raised in a household full of women, including a widow mother who raised 8 kids.
@@v.besson6808I remember hearing that and saying “what are your sisters and mother? Chopped liver?”
I actually really love that the show is more compassionate to Cressida’s character than the books are. (SPOILERS: iirc she ends up with an older, unpleasant man in the books). She’s more three-dimensional in the show and I like that she gets to have the opportunity at least for a happy ending. It feels more in-line with the shows themes
I really hate that it seems Cressida was afforded more grace and a more favorable arc than even Penelope was despite being a cruel character since season 1 and even bullying Eloise's own sister. She had plenty of suitors and only drive them away with her bad attitude and seems to have friends and a strong love interest in season 3, Penelope's season. I think the creators really dropped the ball so far
@@paluza9 see that I also agree with, but I’m holding out my final judgement until I see the second half of the season. I never expected them to give Cressida more depth but it ended up being a pleasant surprise because in my personal experience it’s just as true to life that a bully like Cressida acts out due to her family life and the social pressures of the ton as it would have been if she was just being nasty for no reason.
I also like it because Cressida is a convenient way to force both Pen and Eloise to grow outside of eachother before (probably) becoming best friends again in the end. That being said I do have some problems with the season too, everything seemed to go by really quick with little breathing room between plot points. And like you said, Pen didn’t get as much focus as I’d like but I’m hoping that changes in the second half of the season.
Istg the amount of times I've teared up Watching Eloise and Penelope seeking each other in a room and just stare, I feel like their friendship ending is a very mature decision since they brought each other down. Yet I still want them to talk it out.
Eloise saw Penelope as just her sidekick and Penelope attached to her hip felt suffocating to watch. Cressida sucks but she's a very complex character and I feel like what she needs is Eloise and her bold personality.
So I'm also kinda glad that their friendship ended for the time being.
It does seem like Eloise and Cressida bring out the best in each other, which is nice! I wasn’t a fan of the Cressida redemption idea, but I do like that she’s genuinely changing her ways and trying to be better because of Eloise’s friendship. And, at the same time, she’s challenging Eloise in a way Pen never felt able to. Cressida’s still got some apologies to make, but I’m warming up to her this season, and I’m liking her and Eloise more than I expected
For all that people have said since the season two finale that fans and Eloise were mad that Penelope stepped out of line as the “funny fat sidekick” it’s obvious to me that they want Eloise to be Penelope’s sidekick. Her actions through their eyes are only right or wrong based on if it hurts Penelope’s feelings. I'm sorry, but good friends don't cosign your behavior no matter how bad it is. For all that it’s been claimed that their friendship was all about Eloise, how is it being all about Penelope balanced?
@@bbybella9937 YEP I agree with this! Both of them had flaws, but this fandom seems far more interested in pointing out Eloise’s
@@violetlavi2207I do like that Cressida is more fleshed out in this season. However, I thought she was real bold to talk to Eloise about being cruel when Cressida has been awful. Hold up a mirror? You first, babe
@@rebeccaa.245 yeah Cressida was no saint, but after she promised Eloise she’d be nice to Penelope, she was 🤷♀️ Eloise is a good influence on her…and it means her callout to Eloise holds more weight than it would’ve earlier in the season
I don't like Cressida, but I do like that they're doing more with her than they do in the books. I know that she's dressed like a caged bird, and marrying her off to a bird enthusiast would tie her story up in a nice bow in S3, but I hope we get to see her as a bird of prey by the end of part two. A force to be reckoned with, and important in her own right. Away from her parent's influence, but also not married to someone she had to fake a whole personality to get.
I hope she gets introduced to someone who could match her cunning and interests, or she finds a way to successfully blaze her own path.
Like I said, I don't like her - she's a love to have character for me, and I like love to hates to be doing well in their own right. She's off kilter this season, and it shows, but I hope this character development doesn't cut her nails at the end of it.
Marrying her off to Debling, who is boring in comparison, would feel like a misstep. If she ends up with someone, I hope it's someone as snarky as her who appreciates that side of her.
1:58 I agree 100%. I went through a pretty brutal friendship breakup about a year ago (specifically a friend “dumping” me; so it was not a mutual breakup, if that makes sense) and it was more traumatic than any romantic breakup I’ve been through. Especially when you’ve known the friend for a long time and if the breakup leads to fractures in the rest of your friend group (something that can happen in romantic relationships, but I feel is less common), friendship breakups can be absolutely gut wrenching.
I love your breakdowns, I agree, their friendship ending hurts but it’s helping the two of them grow in their own ways
I like eloise and cressida because eliose never actually listened to tried to understand penn. She kinda just talked at her. And only listened to what she thought she was saying. If she did listen she would know penn wanted to get married. She said it before to her.
Both of these women are flawed characters, and thats ok! Eloise has been shown to be a bit selfish and insults women who dont have her interests because she doesnt understand them. Her friendship with Cressida is honestly doing them both some good in making Cressida more humble and making Eloise empathetic to others who are not as lucky as her.
Penelope is no saint either. She insulted several members of the ton for no reason most of the time. She antagonizes the queen, for fun? Badmouths Daphne and writes gossip about Eloise just to keep her secret. She did it to "protect" her, but she could have revealed herself instead of further harming her friend. Eloise has a right to be mad at Penelope for the harm shes caused her family, because there were real consequences even if it all turned out fine in the end. But at her heart, Penelope is doing her best in a society that brings down women, even if misguided at times.
Neither is perfect, but neither deserves the hate they get either. They both have their point of views which influence their actions. I like how this season is them exploring their identites and growing as people instead of them being in an echo chamber, putting down others they don't understand.
It's not that she doesn't understand their hobbies or decisions, it's that she sees how they aren't really choices but a result of the coercive environment. They are literally not allowed to do anything else. She finds it hard, because she sees the oppression and subjugation around her. She notices how women are conditioned to become a man's property, and how they are set up against each other. She's the only one who sees through Cressida's mean girl act. So many women and MEN in the show have done and said much worse things about or against women, or have been much more blind to their privilege (Colin literally traveled the world, and throws his experiences in everyone's faces, including women who weren't even allowed to travel) but somehow Eloise gets a shitton of hate because she doesn't care for embroidery...
Yes! I agree so much with this video so much - while I loved their friendship, I agreed so much with your other video about how their friendship had its major flaws, and I'm glad that the show is taking the time to genuinely explore how they can grow with time apart! It always feels rare to see a female friendship be examined in tv shows, and seeing these two both develop as characters AND friends this season has been such a highlight for me. I love the romances and family dramatics of Bridgerton but... if I'm being honest, I also just love that they're taking the time to explore a platonic relationship with the same weight ❤
All of which to say: 100% agreed!!! This conflict between them feels not only necessary (the reasons feel completely valid, not just a basic misunderstanding but genuine hurt dealt by both sides) but helpful. Penelope has to grow on her own and it really helps her blossom, and it feels like Eloise is finally able to face truths that will hopefully end up enlightening her to her own privilege. I really really hope they do get to make up though, and that these positive changes are maintained in their new potential dynamic.
Great video as always!!!!! 😊
Penelope revealed Bridgerton family secrets because she was protecting Colin. And I believe although Penelope was perfectly clear she wanted to marry and enter society as an adult Eloise arrogantly ignored her and dismissed her feelings. She refused to believe it.
Literally this! Pen and Cressida have made it very clear that their goal is marriage and have had conversations with Eloise about it so for Eloise to be shocked goes to show the type of friend she is. Hell the first fight we ever see with Pen and El was about marriage and that not everyone is as privileged as a Bridgerton. I do appreciate Eloise as a character but I NEED her to see past herself
This was really interesting!
I had never expected to like the friendship between Eloise and Cressida but I actually do. The way they hold a mirror for each other is really interesting to see.
Equating Eloise to the men of the ton was a hot take and i am here for it! I am not a show Eloise fan. Loved her in the books though.
Same. I loved her in the books because she was more layered. The show version is too whiny for my liking.
I mean, there is something to be said about how thee oppression of the typical noblewoman leads to many of the conforming women to be the embodiment of toxic femininity (and we still see those effects today, as the "not like other girls" creed was as a reaction to said toxic femininity brigade who went after any girl who didn't conform to specific feminine performativity, hence a lot of non-conforming women rejecting all that nonsense and femininity itself). Frankly, it feels like a lot of people took the wrong message from Mean Girls (AKA the "poor wittle Regina, we should understand her uwu") rather than the instruction manual on how toxic femininity is performed and how the conforming girls are worse than the men about shoving the ideology of how girls should act down girls' throats.
omg this is such a great take on their friendship great job!!
I’m all for Penelope and Eloise having a falling out and not being friends for a time, especially if they grow in the time apart and their friendship (when rebuilt) is stronger for it. I just wish the writers didn’t make Cressida part of Eloise’s story; the attempt at redemption/sympathy for the mean girl is mediocre at best, and I actually dislike Cressida more than I did before.
Eloise isn’t just privileged to have such a mother she’s privileged to have such a brother as Anthony who doesn’t just marry his siblings off….
I love the background music you used for the video- so pretty ☆彡
Penelope has a nasty habit of writing about people when she is angry at them. I hate this idea that you have the right to demand someone's love and to punish them when it isn't forthcomming.
She has never written lies tho
I like that you take a compassionate perspective towards the characters :)
Eloise is so selfish, she never really listened to Penelope, all she would talk about is herself and being mad at Pen and the society women for wanting to marry just shows how privileged and self centered she is
your voice is AMAZING !!! I wouldn't mind having you narrate and audiobook at all !!
Pen did EACH mention of bridgerton's for their best interests in the long run, including to keep the queen for thinking E was LW. Agree, E needed to see P experience the same thing as HER fault (more of an accident, but with less good intentions) and this gives her more opportunity to realize how priveleged she is and how little she listens, as well as give P the chance at a new arc that she may not have tried if she still had her bestie to lean on. I do like the way we get to see more depth to cressida, as well, even if she STILL is following the family trait of hurting those easier to be hurt. E LOVED and respected LW, till she was mentioned (but who knows WHAT the queen would have done if that had not happened), then dumped all. Still, good that cressida let her in in spite of her family
El definitely went through a fashion glow up , makes me think she will find a love fling next season
What bridgerton does really well, is dress for the character... all the characters that are dressing a bit weird for the time, it's always because of character... featheringtons, Cressida, even lady Danbury...these are all characters, who are either outsiders in a way, or are supposed to be outlandish in some way... even Eloise's wardrobe went through a change in the series... it's interesting 😁
One really interesting examole is Pen's green emerald dress at the first ball in s3, i think...the dress looks really cool, but its also very clear that she stands out... meaning she did go slightly overboard...which makes sense, cause she doesnt really know to behave yet in society and therefore goes a bit too hard on the design, and then later the designs become much softer and delicate as she also finds her way into this new world...
This is a fascinating analysis. I have been enjoying Cressida's and Eloise's friendship (love story) but am also hoping for a very large breakup between the two.
I wholeheartedly concur!!
This was the first video of yours that I watched and it was perfect. Well articulated, well edited, well said. I just love the "vibe" of this video if that makes sense, it's very cozy. And I absolutely agree with what you said. Penelope and Eloise are my favourite characters (apart from Anthony and Kate) and they absolutely needed this split to grow. Even with Cressida Eloise notably 'steamrolls' the conversation and doesn't allow her to speak for herself, evident when she is talking about her views on marriage right as Cressida leaves her to go secure Lord Debling for herself. Looking back in seasons 1 and 2 she's always done this, only now is she really seeing it for herself.
As for Penelope I'm glad she had to write about herself in Whistledown cause not only does it finally give her the reality of her escapist writings but it also makes it so Eloise, and later Colin after he finds out, will know just how dedicated she is to her craft. It's not just a spite column (anymore), it's a way of living for Penelope and she is willing to do anything to not lose it.
Overall excited for part 2! I hope my favourite girls reconcile soon though
i find the pen and Eloise friendship story in the show parallels me and my best friend. i know pen and el are going to be besties again because ive kind of lived this storyline. me and my bestie were friends and then i had a huge falling out with everyone in our friend group including her. but we both realized that we had both made mistakes and we apologized and it took time to build the friendship back up but now we are even closer. so i have faith in pen and el.
I leaned a lot from this video. Is always good to be open minded to new opinions. I can understand more about how they needed to grow apart to grow as individuals, BUT those scenes where they stare at each other across the room are sooo sad 😢
I’ve never been a fan of Cressida with the way she treats people. This season has provided us with a better look at her home dynamic and how alone and restricted she must have felt growing up.
I have developed some empathy for her. I have also gotten the impression that she doesn’t want to be married, but rather needs to escape her parents like Penelope.
There is truth to nurture versus nature. When you are raised without parental support and love, and you don’t even have a sibling to be with, you’re unlikely to be a well adjusted, loving and compassionate human being. No one to set the example and no one to teach her a better way.
I really liked getting to know Cressida a bit more and seeing her character have more depth. What I didn't like was how that side story was so much more interesting to me than what was happening with Penelope. There wasn't much effort put into colin and Penelope. Nothing to really grab the audience like the other couples in past seasons.
It doesn't feel like the colum really makes any impact they get shunned or made fun of for an episode or less and then everything feels normal.
It is good sometimes to get space from our close friends- if yiu spend too much time with them yiu can miss out on building your own life
Imagine befriending the girl who bullied your best friend. Throw Eloise away.
THANK YOU! I always felt like Eloise just saw Pen as her “sidekick”, and her befriending the girl that constantly sought out to torment her friend pisses me off. People are allowed to make mistakes, however El barely considers what her so called friends want or feel.
Don't forget that there is a new crop of debutantes each year. Having a season is expensive business and most people do not return year after year, unless hubby has a seat in the Lords or they have a daughter to fire off.
IDK, could it be because she discovered that her BFF was her biggest opp? I get that there are a lot of children left behind, but it seems pretty straightforward that if someone betrays you, you get to live your life with no obligation to consider their feelings.
I'm pretty sure eloise didn't think of her as a friend after what pen did last season.
I just read Penelope a d Colin’s story. I loved the book not so much the Netflix show.
Throughout all the seasons, Eloise has consistently been a selfish, privileged, less than great friend. Season 2 reeeeally showed it especially her being a hypocrite. Her wit is entertaining and I like her at points but Eloise has been insufferable.
Honestly, Eloise is my least favorite character because she’s selfish and naive to the world she lives in. And it’s only because she’s so privileged that she is shielded by hard truths for women.
It made it less boring
I feel like people are letting Pen get away with a lot tbh. While I find Pen relatable, that doesn’t really justify her writing so much mess about Daphne and others. I understand that she needed the money, but let’s not pretend that Pen is super poor. She is still really privileged in comparison to most British people at the time. I also feel that while Pen saved Eloise from the Queen, that situation would not have happened if Pen didn’t talk so much mess in the first place. If anything, Pen being lady Whistledown ruined several lives and put people in danger. People talk about Eloise being a selfish friend ( which is incredibly accurate) but ignore that how Pen was showed herself to be a less than trustworthy and selfish too. I think Eloise’s personality was such a turn off to most viewers, so we all just ignored how much Pen actually betrayed several women throughout the show. Honestly, Lady Whistledown sometimes sounds very vindictive. Like she’s letting out a lot of pent up anger at the fact that others are getting married and not her. Even though Pen is my one of my favorite characters , her being Lady Whistledown isn’t the girlboss moment we think it is. She really used it to tear other women down and in some ways shows her cowardice/ selfishness. I’m glad that Pen and Eloise aren’t friends because they weren’t growing together.
So wait, a lady finds a job, saves Eloise and Colin from shame, and you still think she did a bad thing? No, really, continue judging like you're some kind of superior being! What did she do, write some gossip? In the book she and Eloise don't even fight, because she understands Pen did what she did! Nobody listens to her when she's Pen, but everybody listens to her when she's Lady Wistledown!
I agree.
@@sharknado623 I feel like you are trying to misunderstand me, I do not hate Penelope. I just think that Pen is a lot more morally grey than some fans realize. She is a great person in some aspects and a not so great in others. And that’s what makes her a realistic and an interesting character. I don’t know why our fandom can recognize Eloise’s, Colin’s, and Edwina’s flaws, but be oblivious to Pen’s.
I honestly don't think that Eloïse was a good friend to Pen. Everytime they meet she only talks about Lady Whistledown and was obsessed with her. I can understand she has different views than her family and does not want to marry and do whatever she wants but her behavior is annoying. Remember when Pen was heartbroken to see Colin who was about to marry Marina and Eloïse visits Pen late night just to talk about Whistledown ?
Great video
Eloise doesn’t want to marry but also can’t be alone. Cressidas father clocked it immediately when Penn found a suitor after their friendship ended
I don't watch the series . But you have explained it well.
While People say that Eloise is 100 percent the bad guy in their friendship Pen was no saint either Eloise didn't understand Penelope's want for getting married whereas Pen didn't understand Eloise want for staying free either even though Theo found Eloise annoying sometimes, he also was the only one that understood her ideas and didn't dismiss her which is why I find specially hard of a betrayal how Pen basically called Eloise a harlot. Aside from that people critisize Eloise for being with Cressida because of her being a bully but Penelope is the biggest bully of all times. She constantly badmouth the Bridgertons and when she is no longer invited by Eloise she talks about hoe much she misses them, like if she never bully them.
How do you think Eloise could be free? There is no way for that. She is either married or she isn't married and she stays under her brother's care and lives on pin money till the end of the days
Of course she could run away, maybe become a governess, start a business but then Bridgertons most likely would have to disown her in order to stay in society
@user-wf1go3wo5u that's one of the reasons why she's always complaining, but she rather stay an spinster under her brothers care that knows that respects her as human being at the very least ,than getting married to someone who may not leave her as much freedoms as she currently has, however this freedoms the she has while single are still quite limited being that the thing she seems to always talk about in season is going to university but she can't.
@@user-wf1go3wo5u so u are saying just because she can't get out of the society, she should shut up, stop complaining and start doing what all other girls are doing( which she hates) because she has no other choice (which she constantly reminds other people).
@@dilsedesi1704 yeah, she should shut up and stop complaining cause it's behavior of a spoiled child not of an intelligent young lady she claims to be. She can find herself any activities of her liking, she doesn't have to do what other ladies do, but what she should do is stop judging them for doing their thing, cause it's their way of life and the only way of survival since not everyone so privileged, rich and supported by thier families as Eloise
I think Penelope didn't realize that her time was running out. 3rd year and no prospects
It’s like the Summer after Freshman year and El and Pen went to different colleges.
Pen and Eloise I believe be friends agen great talk
All I came out of this season thinking is: Eloise is still a narcissist. So her and Cress are perfect for each other. Cressida isn’t a horrible person in the show as she was in the books. And Pen needs a new best friend especially after that delightful conversation she had with the lord who was in the wheelchair.
Lord Remington I believe was his name? I love that he’s a bit of a gossip, I feel like we would’ve been friends haha
But isn’t pen exhausting as well. After a point the woe is me tirade gets old. Pen is very self centered. It made it difficult to route for her romance as well
Eloise and Colin are so alike in a way, that they both didn't actually hear Pen, and also are both envious of Pen's talent in writing and her wit(for Colin wanted to be a writer and Eloise trying to be witty above all). Even Pen's two sisters wanted Pen to be happy, all Colin and Eloise did was urge Pen to "tell the truth", even when Pen passed out under the stress they both didn't give up.
I love that they aren't friends, but I didn't expect Eloise to befriend Cressida.
I also felt that it was important for them not to be friends at the moment. It forced Penelope to get out of Eloise's shadow and actually start living for her own life. Making choices and such. Its very important in these the 'wall flower paired with the Life of party' type friendships. The wallflower will step back and hide behind the louder person and mostly live vicariously through them. This break up forced Penelope to start living her life. Going after what she wants.
Also if she and Eloise were still friends, eloise would have never let pen and colin have enough alone time, she would have always been interrupting and even shoo-ing colin away.
Also the book elaborates it more, the Bridgertons are privileged cause they have favour of the ton. They're never at the risk of social ruin that's why they can afford to be careless. Eloise was being careless with theo, running in the broad daylight to go see this dude when the queen's men were following hEr!! Pen was trying to protect her. Maybe she could have been less brutal but like....😅
And Eloise's friendship with Cressida is also teaching her to actually listen to people. Cause i feel like with Penelope she didn't listen at all, had she done so, she would have discovered a long time ago that pen was LW. Because she would KNOW how her friend writes and speaks.
So i think this friendship breakup is important for both of them to grow and become better people. Who knows when they patch things up, they can even become greater friends.
This is a fascinating analysis. I have been enjoying Cressida's and Eloise's friendship (love story) but am also hoping for a very large breakup between the two as Cressida keeps trying to bully Penelope / Whistledown.
Their dynamic is one of the most interesting ones and many overlookes this cuz of the characters respective mistakes/wrong doings/flaws.
The Pen hate side is all about how Pen is so awful, a villain, life ruiner, jealous beach, etc.
The El side is all about half-baked feminism, out of touch, self-centered, etc.
Their relationship is so fasinating. Their friendship is so good yet unintentionally keep each other stagnant.
Its also at times, pretty one-sided.
Totally agreed
I was afraid of Eloise being a mean girl with Penélope cause yeah that would have totally be nasty. Fortunately it wasn´t anything like that on the contrary. They both love, appreciate and miss each other, but also have reasons to be apart, which on one side would help them to get away from their comfort zone and more importantly, see the other one as an individual
Also is great how it was shown in the other two seasons a solid friendship between Pen and Colin. In the books he sees her as his sister´s friend but in the show she´s also his friend. They have conversations, confidence and appreciation. Thanks to that now in season three is ok see them together all the time, plus it was clear before that Pen couldn´t be alone with anyone else because Eloise was with her all the time
Jane (Pride and Prejudice) is 23 and not considered a spinister. Before you point it out, I know the Bennets are not considered good ton. However, the Elliots (Persuasion) are good ton and Anne (27) and Elizabeth (29) are seen and spoken of as desirable matches.
It’s cause Bridgerton isn’t historically accurate at all, it’s kind of ridiculous that it can be called a period drama
I prefer their friendship in the books because it felt more real. In the show, Eloise seemed to only be friends with Penelope to make herself feel good. While book and show Penelope were pretty similar in personality, Eloise was insufferable and too “modern” for me to vibe with. It totally took me out of the show. The book Eloise was more layered. While she was a smart and sassy proto-feminist, she was also kind and warm to her family and friends and a loving aunt to her nieces and nephews. The show seemed to be so focused on making her a girlboss activist that they forgot her softer qualities, because for some reason, according to these writers, soft strength isn’t “feminist” enough.
Frankly, I feel both Eloise and Penelope deserve each other. They're both lousy friends.
What she said about Eloise was worse than what she said about herself, in my opinion.
Can someone please explain to me what is the issue between Penelope and Eloise
I forgot how it is in the show but in the books Eloise and Penelope didn’t plan to be spinsters together, pen had no prospects and Eloise just expected for them to be spinsters together bc she thought they both wanted the same thing
Even though I really dislike her, I hope they do redeem Cressida and don't do a twist villain reveal. I will probably never understand how she better herself with her friendship with Eloise, but I'm a sucker for redeeming villains. So I hope all this development won't go down the drain in part 2
Hi :) I really like your analysis and agree with many of your opinions. Maybe try to use scenes fitting with the things you say. It’s a little distractiv to see f.e. Cressida in a seqment about Penelope. That also happend so many times because of the loop, which is not so Interesting to look at. I would also like to see a shot of you inbetween the scenes, especially because it’s your opinion you voice. But these tips are also just my opinion. ❤
thank you for saying that! I was debating keeping my face in my videos sometimes, but this really helped. Thank you!🥺
Thing as educated, as Eloise claims to be, it was very disappointing to see that she never returned to the other side of town. It’s much simpler to be man than courageous. Truth is woman from her class are in a kind of help with state - they don’t know how to work. Everyone wants to pursue their hobbies and interests and education - people in poverty don’t get to do that either because they have to work jobs to make a living.
I never liked Eloise and Penelope's friendship. It always felt very one sided for me. It was always Eloise talking about her things and Penelope listening.
From what I recall, Eloise was the one who comforted Penelope when she came sobbing to her in the middle of the night, she was the one who promised to help Penelope live through the grief of her father’s death. I remember her risking the queen’s wrath when she warned LW of her approaching capture, because she thought LW had been convinced to spare Pen’s family. On top of that, I remember Eloise always making it clear how much Penelope meant to her, always searching her out and choosing her company over everyone else.
Penelope was literally keeping a huge secret from Eloise.
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In real life regency period 3 seasons would not be this panic. That is, usually girls were presented around ages 17 to 9 and then they weren't considered spinsters until like 24 to 26 . So they generally were given like 7 years to find a match. Now they weren't necessarily given 7 *seasons*. Because of needing so many new gowns etc a lot of families for finances sake wouldn't have taken their daughters to London every spring. A season was expensive. But they'd be out in society back at their country homes and would be looking for matches amongst neighbors during those times.
But this whole Penelope would be a spinster because of not having a match because of 3 years out is a contrived show thing, not an actual society thing.
Well, Penelope was definitely on the receiving end of lady whistledown's backlash in season 1. She tried everything she could to not publish the gossip about her family but to save Colin, the man she loved from being tricked into a lie of a marriage, she risked her family as well as herself. She also felt there was no other way to save her friend but to write something salacious about her friend causing her to face a public scrutiny that she definitely would recover from or having to out herself to face the worse backlash she was trying to prevent her friend from suffering. But really, I think the inconsistencies of the Penelope and Eloise characters in the show is due to dramatic changes made to the characters, the scandals, and the pacing. Penelope was never as unlikable or as rash and careless as the show changed her into. She wrote things in her paper that were already public gossip. The show beefed up the conflict between her and Colin and her and Eloise. Also, Penelope was very smart and careful and kept her secret for 10 years before revealing herself. Also Cressida was beautiful and mean and married and widowed and still desirable throughout the series. She was never a relatable character who struggled with suitors or awkwardness. She was always beautiful, cruel, and looking for the richest and best suitor with plenty of admirers surrounding her
Eloise's characterization was a mess, in S3 part 1, at least! We can't have our favorite #girlboss feminist be a mean girl in any way! I thought Eloise and Cressida were using each other. But when Eloise tells her group of friends a secret about Penelope, I thought she did it on purpose, but it turns out that Eloise didn't do it on purpose, and chews out Cressida, Like honey, what did you think would happen? I was so confused!
Ok
I only seen season one but I never liked Penelope especially after she destroyed that girl who was pregnant bc she didn’t want Colin to marry her… she ruined her life ..I may be mistaken….i saw it so long ago. She’s is literally a wolf in sheep’s clothing .. snake 🐍
I also think people need to remember these girls are 16/17. THESE ARE TEENAGERS. THEY ARE GOING TO BE SELF CENTERED, JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS ECT. like, I think we get upset at a lot of these young girls for not acting mature because in society at the time, women of this age were treated as done with any kind of childhood. But imagine if this was happening to you when you were 17, like no one’s emotional reactions would be the right way to approach it at that time in your life.
Cressida could get with the second Franceska suitor, he seems unkind
I don’t understand when we talk about how Penelope revealed Eloise’s scandal last season, how she was literally forced to do it. She did not want to socially ruin her best friend. She did not do it out of malice, fun, or even financial gain. Eloise was about to be SEVERELY punished by the Queen and the only way Pen could save her, was by socially ruining her, and she knew that as a Bridgerton, Eloise would be able to overcome it eventually. Like did it suck? Of course! Should Pen just of told Eloise that she was Lady Whistledown and come up with a plan together as friends? Yeah absolutely, but I really don’t see what she did of being that evil or bad. Eloise is fine, she is welcomed back into society, only one man this entire season says anything against her and it’s Cressida’s shit head of a father so like, it’s fine.
Interesting, now why was the queen so angry? Who was behind the regency era burn book that provoked a person with power? Eloise spent time with rebels because when Theo pointed out how limited her worldview was she genuinely wanted to learn.
If Penelope truly had Eloise's best interests at heart THERE WERE OTHER WAYS TO GET HER OFF QUEEN CHARLOTTE'S SUSPECT LIST. Eloise wasn't out in season 1, she wasn't present for most of the events Lady Whistledown described. Tell the Queen directly about Theo as she loves a love story. Or you know reveal herself. But no protecting her secret identity took priority.
Penelope also destroyed an actual working woman's business (the seamstress from last season) for personal gain (to get Genevieve Delacroix on side after she discovered her Lady Whistledown secret)
"and she knew that as a Bridgerton, Eloise would be able to overcome it eventually"
The way you just ignore the fact that the Bridgerton family has already faced so many scandals, it's unlikely they'll be able to bounce back from such a big one at that. and they still have so many family members unwed! there's so many lives at stake, but Penelope is able to rationalize it all away in her own mind for her self-preservation.
You and other Penelope fans do this very strange thing where most of you get that Dan Humphrey in Gossip Girl was a jerk for spending years trashing his so-called friends behind their backs and using their stories to feed his own ambitions. But with Penelope, you give her a pass because of the poor me song and dance.
That's it! Thank you for saying it!
Penelope was a spinster because of her appearence but Cressida because of her character
She is a dreadful person
100% all of this, Eloise and Penelope both were awful friends to each other. Eloise with not listening to others and Penelope never having a backbone to actually expressing herself. They are definitely going to become friends again, they stated that their friendship is the secondary love story of the season.
Eloise is a hypocrite. She was one if my fav characters, now the least fav. She is annoying.
Yeah im still not happy about what Penelope did because Eloise didn't do anything to Penelope. I don't know what is going to happen to thwm in the second part. Maybe they will be friends again, and show us wh will be next
it wasn't personal it was so that the queen didn't go after Eloise and who knows the punishment El would've faced if she had decided to make an imposter article. We never got to see or hear what the punishment would be so we don't know if it was worth it or if she ruined the friendship for nothing
Eloise is a selfish brat, that's what she did
I love the way u talk about Eloise, she has her flaws obviously but I think people hate her way too much.
In the break up in s2 I was like, Pen just shut up. And what u said about Pen being now in the same position she chose to put Eloise is like yeah (she understands now), she is there now, but at least she chose to be there, Eloise didnt.
I dont really think it is the same, penelope didnt feel the betrayal pf her bf.
I don’t like Cressida but I hope she finds love
I haven’t even watched this season yet, so I appreciate this video being full of spoilers that aren’t super detailed 😂
I think for me personally the best part of this is something that I’ve been saying for years : Eloise Bridgerton is a horrible friend. She is completely and utterly self-absorbed. She doesn’t actually try and empathise with Penelope struggles,or the differences in the way that they’re treated. Honestly, I really dislike the framing of Eloise character as a feminist, because as other people in the comments have said she is absolutely a white feminist who centres herself in her own interests? It doesn’t come across as though she’s a feminist because of a genuine love and appreciation for other women or their plights and struggles. Her version of feminism is seeking liberation and freedom solely for herself, without any consideration for the fact that other women may have different goals than her. They’re allowed to have those goals, because actual feminism is about women being able to make choices! I honestly really dislike like media depictions of super obnoxious pseudofeminist like Eloise‘s character, because I think it for the perpetuates the stereotype that good feminist think this way.
Honestly, if they ever were to become friends again, in my opinion it must come through a serious apology from Eloise, addressing her arrogant and shitty behaviour.
In order to have friends, you kind of have they actually be your friend? I hope Penelope is able to cultivate better friendships in future seasons
The amount of whitewashing and victimising of Penelope this fandom has is ridiculous. I bet there would have been less putting her on pedestal if she wasn’t played by Nicola.
Whitewashing? I don’t think you used the correct term.
Victimizing yeah but whitewashing is not the correct term
Whitewashing?
what does whitewashing have to do with it 💀
Whitewashing? Victimising? Read the book, smh! We are not victimising! She only had a job and saved Eloise and Colin from shame because no one listenes to her as Pen, only as LW!
Eloise series is a terrible friend.
Pen is a horrible friend. And Eloise should not feel bad for her.
Least she listens Eloise actually listens one time and finds out she LWD. Just shows Eloise likes to take more of the conversation up.
Francesca and Kate are better friends for Pen. They're grounded, sensible but frank women. They would always be honest with Pen with a gentle hand. Cressida can keep Eloise. Selfish brats that only think of themselves.
Pen also made the Bridgertons more desirable and famous by writing about them constantly.
Pen warned El not to go sneak off and see Theo during her brothers wedding at the palace. Eloise didn’t listen or care and went anyway, was followed and confronted by the Queen. Eloise went to Pen for help, and she helped her by writing about her. If anyone is to blame, it’s Eloise. Her own actions caused her to be where she is now. This is what happens when you help someone if it doesn’t turn out right the way they wanted to you were going to be blamed for everything.
And why did Eloise visited Theo in the first place (bcz she was searching for Whistledown). And why did Pen not wanted El to go there (bcz she did not wanted El knowing she is LW). And why did queen made the plan of following and catching LW (bcz LW has written tonnes of sh*t about Queen and even King's mental health for no apparent reason). Every problem's root is Whistledown and people keep saying Pen is saint
I feel like the backlash Eloise's character gets is so, so rooted in misogyny. The whole argument basically goes: "She's rich, so she's not allowed to complain about not having any rights as a woman and being a man's property.". Absolutely disgusting. Misogyny traverses class. Of course other women had it worse, but that doesn't mean it wasn't bad enough for her. A golden cage is still a cage, even if you fantasize about it. It's wild to me people hate her so much, whilst not speaking a bad word about any of the male characters. People also forget she's the only one in the whole show who's really stepped outside of her bubble, befriended a working class man, and who actually put her money where her mouth is (helping to publish revolutionary papers, etc). But the fanbase has scolded her character for it...typical. Of course her knowledge and view of the world is going to be skewed since she lives in a golden cage she doesn't even want to be in, but I fail to see how she's been cruel or blind about that. In fact, she's by far the most knowledgeable about social issues, but no one wants to listen to her. They literally make fun of her or walk away.
It's not that she doesn't understand other women's hobbies or decisions, it's that she sees how they aren't really choices but a result of the coercive environment. They are literally not allowed to do anything else. She finds it hard, because she sees the oppression and subjugation around her. She notices how women are conditioned to become a man's property, and how they are set up against each other. She's the only one who sees through Cressida's mean girl act. So many women and MEN in the show have done and said much worse things about or against women, ot have been much more blind to their privilege (Colin literally traveled the world, and threw his experiences in everyone's faces, including women who weren't even allowed to travel; Pen told people about Eloise's revolutionary activities, and didn't think twice about how it could be extremely dangerous for Elosie) but somehow Eloise gets a shitton of hate because she doesn't care for embroidery and talks about her oppression...
Essentially everyone is saying: shut up you whiny woman, and enjoy your golden cage! You should be lucky it's made of gold!
I know this opinion is going to be really, really controversial, but... I think Penelope NEEDED to tell everyone about Eloise. It forced her to stop visiting the boy, and although it seemed like it was only for her sake, but think about logic here. Things were going REALLY well between Eloise and Theo. Even if they didn't get caught together, there would be a chance that they would do... uh... marital activities before marriage, and that would wreck Eloise's reputation, and her entire family's. Even if they didn't, and decided to marry; it would've been extremely frowned upon due to the difference in status.
What is it with people today? When using the term feminist please PLEASE look the term up beforehand!