Why KANG is Actually HE WHO REMAINS From LOKI
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- Опубликовано: 23 май 2024
- Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania introduced us to Kang the Conqueror...unless we've already met him before? IN this video we breakdown why He Who remains from Loki could, in fact, be THE Kang the Conqueror.
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HWR is more syllables than He Who Remains.
If you say W like "dubya" it's at best the same number of syllables. Either way, just say He Who Remains, Ryan.
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@@nhband1t Screw it, let's just call him H Dubbs.
Hahahaha exactly. Sometimes I wonder if he does things like this just so we head straight to the comments section 😂
@@nhband1t He. Dubya. Remains.
When Kang said that he'll burn them out of time? It's exactly what HWR did. He pruned their timelines. Kang escaped by accident when he was sucked into his machine. Only to reappear as Timely. Timely began rebuilding his time machine, hence in the end? Becoming HWR, all over again.
one man have infinite version of him that's what he's saying
It’s all in a loop!
Agree!!!
and about he said "not every variant of me have pure heart"
most his variant just wanna play with time innocently, except HWR, he just wanna burn them out of time, he want to win
so the one who not pure heart actually HWR
I made a video about this about a week ago. The points in this video are basically the same.
Kang said in Antman after Janet asked who Kang was “ Kang is who I have to be” and the fact he was trying bargain is when I realized we was watching the younger version who hadn’t won the war yet. I like how you put out how he finds alioth
He who remains doesn’t even have scars
@JBurnz001 because they aren't the same individual. They are similar in their goals, path & eventually, their outcomes.
@@doublet147 that would mean every single kang with have the same outcome using that logic. Except we know that to not be true
@JBurnz001 no it doesn't. Not every Kang has the exact same goals/focus. We are basically going to see in future films how KTC becomes HWR. But it's not the EXACT same HWR we know. He didn't become reincarnated. KTC is just the variant that had the same drive/goals that HWR did before HWR became HWR (and he was probably also called Kang the Conqueror before he became HWR).
@@JBurnz001 I mean.. did you not watch the entire video? In the video it was logically argued that in fact HWR might have at that time a tech to regenerate him and therefor it did regenerate his scars. He is supposed to be insanely old, why does he look young? Due to his regeneration tech and it would be quite odd to regenerate only his age and not his physical scars. I think it is great that HWR doesn't have scars in Loki, because it would be a dead giveaway.. it's better to surprise the audience that doesn't deep dive into the logic. After all, if you deep dive into everything, you'll get the least surprised and the movies were not done for us deep-divers, it's done for an audience that has patience as well.
MCU usually follows one version of a Super Hero or Villain. Following that idea, I agree that Kang is He Who Remains. We are following this one Kang's journey.
it cant be!!! HWR is portrayed as a "good guy". Why would they follow the good version of him when its the main villain they should be building up?? it doesnt make sense. kang in antman was full of rage and vengeance. he wants all types of violence when HWR wants peace. idk how everybody is missing that part
Yah,and if you check it's all has been about him,Loki and Quatumania,it all leads up until the end of time!
Yah i think dat Kang is He who remains!
@@unculturedswine9984kang is alot younger an has been trough way less then he who remains,
Also Loki started out with the attributes you used to describe kang but he ended up being a good guy, with kang they do the opposite and Stert with showing the good version and the last movie version of him will be the worst version
@@bakmata6795 tell me u don't know Kang from the comics by not telling me. This is why y'all come up with dumb theories. Whatever. I don't want to take the time to explain.
@@unculturedswine9984 HWR most certainly isn't a good guy. Remember, this man fought in the multiversal war just like his other variants. And he won the war by destroying all other universes that were part of his multiverse back then, except for the one universe which formed his Sacred Timeline.
When you destroy an universe, you kill all living beings in that universe, which makes you a mass murderer. And HWR didn't destroy just one universe, he destroyed billions upon billions of them. Then he set up the TVA to continue his work - destroying newly emerging universes (branched timelines) instead if him and feeding them to the Alioth.
Mobius and other TVA agents at least have the valid excuse that they were manipulated and brainwashed into doing it. No one forced HWR though, he did it all of his own free will. The fact that he presents it all as a good achievement that was done only with the best of intentions for the good of the universe simply proves that he's a psychopath.
My theory was always that He Who Rains spelled out everything to us, he is a reliable narrator. That he has in fact lived a million lifetimes bc of the endless loop, some of those lifetimes he was Kang & he tried to go abt the multiverse a certain way but he always failed. The only way that was successful was for him to choose a diff path that lead him to become He Who Remains, which would also correlate with Endgame & how there was only 1 possible path out of millions.
Yup bc even if they did beat thanos in a different way, Kang might’ve pruned the timeline, it had to happen the way it happened.
I think this theory holds up well, especially considering how it mirrors the updated comic book depictions of Nathaniel Richard's endless cycle of always becoming Kang because no matter what path he chooses, his reality is that he will never have the love he so desires. Even in all the lifetimes where he starts off choosing to do everything he can to prevent himself from becoming Kang, the events that he goes through always ends up pushing him into repeating the cycle of recreating himself as Kang.
Marvel could mirror that with just the idea that Nathaniel Richards, the scientist, has himself lived a million lifetimes as all these variants of himself in an attempt to find a way to keep himself from destroying the multiverse. Ultimately seeing that the only way he's found so far in his millions of lifetimes is to conqueror all of himself and create the singular timeline where he can prevent his variants from making other choices. And since there must always be a " he who remains " in order to maintain it, it will ultimately come down to someone else having to take on his mantle in order for Nathaniel Richards to finally be free of his endless loop.
Each time the multiverse resets He Who Remains script gets longer because at the end, there is only one outcome. That's why it's scripted.
Doesn't make sense because while he who remains is in Loki, Kang is in the quantum realm at the same time. So they can't be the same person
@@brokenSnake Yes they can, you're not understanding what it means for someone in the future to travel through time, based on how they've set it up.
You're approaching it as if this is all one event leading into another in order. That would only make sense if we were watching this whole thing JUST from Kang's point of view.
Time is not linear, it has already happened in it's entirety from beginning to end. Everything Kang has done, in every variant of his, has already happened. We the viewer are only seeing those events one by one, as they happen for us and the characters.
my thought process is that Kang is in the same probability storm Scott and Hope were in. My theory is he'll accumulate all the knowledge of his potential variants thus making him know literally every outcome of his every move hence he can become He Who Remains
Very interesting theory
He's still a man at the end of the day. I don't think he's got superhuman recall
probability storm creates variants of every outcome. so literally he has an equal amount of survival as death.
similarly, every variant in the council of kangs holds the potential to create their own sacred timelines within the multiverse.
the concept of schroedingers cat applies to both. Loki is the degree of change.
in a quantum computer each outcomenis known as a qubit. each qubitnis reliant upon its chronological entangled past.
within the mcu future qubits transfer information to older breaking causality and creating different strings of entangled futures.
this is the purpose behind the infinity war.
the loki series foreshadows that Loki is meant to create change by altering events. he does this by bringing an entangled mind stone from the future to the avengers through the first avengers movie. which is simultaneously taking place before and after the Loki series.
Loki both dies and lives in the infinty war opening act.
It is insinuated in ragnarock that loki enchanted and swapped identities with valkery.
meaning in one of two scenarios valkery died by Thanos snapping her neck.
the Russo bros both lied and told the truth in their interview.
these writers are on some genius level shite.
Basically has his own council down there
@@sunwukong32 Only thought the end of the last Multiversal War was He Who Remains able to fuse all his variants into himself and aquire god like ability to move anywhere at will (without a power suit) and now everything time wise past present and future (except the beyond the threshold when Sylvie and Loki got to a certain point near him; thus enabling 'a choice' of a point of no return where Sylvie could choose whether she kills him or not. Killing him released all the variants and unlocked the Multiverse
I really hope they return this Kang as the big bad. I don't think I'll be as invested if they just introduce a different Kang
You guys crushed it again with extremely valid points! If I may add on, I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the song used in the teaser trailer for Quantumania is “Goodbye Yellow Brick Road.” There’s a line in it that always stuck out to me, and it’s “oh, I’ve finally decided where my future lies, beyond the yellow brick road.” And with the new theory Ryan gave us saying that Kang is destined to make the decisions to become He Who Remains, I think this song is a new clew to indicate that. Before the Loki Finale, We always speculated that the one at the end of time would be a king Loki or a intimidating figure; but then it was revealed to be a bit so scary version of Kang, even HWR said it himself, “not what you were expecting?” Goodbye yellow brick road is the clew that tells us that Kang’s Future lies beyond the Timeline. Loki is a lot Like the wizard of oz too, dorthy and her friends (Loki and Sylvie and Mobius in this case) travel a journey to a castle to eventually meet the one in charge who was a not so intimidating figure in this case, Loki and Sylvie traveling to the end of time to He Who Remain’s Castle to meet him and be underwhelmed. So I think that you guys are spit on with this theory and I do think they are the same person! Sorry for the paragraph lol first time evey writing one on a YT vid
He even called himself a conqueror in Loki. So he must have been the Conqueror that the other Kang's named the Conqueror.
one man have infinite version of him that's what he's saying
No, his whole speach is a vague allusion to his varients and fan service cause HWR is a verient of Kang
He has been called that. Which could mean he was mistaken as that
@@proxjayant exactly HWR doesn’t have the scars on his face, and HWR wanted to end the war The conquer is ready for WAR‼️
@@Tores444 "I've been called many things a conqueror......"
Not, my variants have been called many things
I don't get these comments saying you're wrong. I walked out of the theater thinking "yeah, that's totally He Who Remains." It's pretty obvious if you're paying even a shred of attention. Kang even says, "You will help me. I know how this all ends." It's also important to remember that He Who Remains was delirious and more than a little crazy - Kang feels he's the one that needs to cull the other timelines, and as he ages over eons, I could definitely see him losing his edge.
Yes, he who remains the one villain beaten by ANTS. G...T ...F...O ...H!!!!!
Galactus and Dr Doom are like .... REALLY?
Magneto : His acting is good. But he S*CKS as a SUPER VILLAIN!
"Hulk confused - if he so bad ...why so many of him?"
@@SuperOmnicronsj44 it’s obviously him.
@@SuperOmnicronsj44 uh Kang wasn't beaten by ants. Quit being one of those hyperbolic dunce losers who cry and whine that movies are a seperate continuity than the comics. It took an army to even get Kang pushed back and we saw a minute later he probably killed all those ants. Scott and Hope beat him but didn't even really defeat him cause we didn't see his death. Kang just shrunk more.
@@SuperOmnicronsj44Futuristic ants that had years of technology to study and create things and btw, he wasn't beaten by ants, he probably killed them all and then he went against Scott to get out of the quantum realm, Ant Man would have died but Hope entered and saved him.
In what moment he was beaten by ants? Did you even watch the movie?
Btw how depressing is your life? You have over 40 comments in this channel, if you don't like Marvel why you keep coming back here? Go get a life kiddo
@@osen9881 ngl it was kinda weak that it was ants, but ill let it slide considering in they was like super ants with advanced tech and knowledge, and if ants were our size they would be a nigh unstoppable super species.
Screen crush literally killing it again and again! Best mcu theory channel hands down!
Correct 🙏🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
Absolutely!
Agree! I’ve commented that Kang/HWR has little regret (Ravonna related perhaps) and Kang from Quantumania is HWR. Scars? He would have access to so much medical technology that a simple surgery could hide or remove the scars. Kang we just met was thrown back in time and he’s posing as Victor. Lastly, I’ve theorized that when HWR said “just crossed the threshold”, that was exact moment when Kang got sucked into the engine and thrown back in time.
Yeah. They healed Hawkeye back in age of ultron “it’s you not even your wife will be able to tell the difference
Or maybe when he get back in time, his age also reversed and he become his old self before the war and scars, anything can happen in time travel, like Scott become younger when hulk were experimenting with time travel.
As he sai: see you soon. The loop begins again. As much he guarded the sacred timeline , he can't do it forever . The time loop will always have its way. I love Kang. No one can defeat him except himself , and he still failed. You kill him, a different variant pops back in. HeIs Inevitable
Exactly. The council wasn't talking about Scott and Hope killing the exiled one. They were talking about Loki and Sylvie.
Nice ! Haven’t thought about that - I like it 👍
That wouldn’t make sense tho, what he said in the video contradicts that, killing he who remains resulted in him never existing,and the other Kangs having always existed, plus the four statues in the citadel symbolised Kang the conquerer being exiled
@@darthyoda8170 He Who Remains also said, "See you soon." Killing He Who Remains at the end of Loki in effect would let every time line re-emerge branch out and also the He Who Remains variant would be created again. I also wonder if the Kang dynasty we saw at the citadel, for instance, was in hiding. Much like Sylvie was for all those years. At least thats what i want to think. Idk i see your point though.
@@darthyoda8170 I don't think so. Because the multiverse was already broken and the cracking thunder sound was example of that. He Who Remains knew the multiverse is broken so he was the least bothered when Sylvie was about to stab as he knew it's just the reset button being pushed. Plus the Council of Kangs blamed the heroes for breaking the multiverse and it's subsequent incursions. So they knew who's doing what. Plus they talked about the exiled one being dead. The Kang in Quantamania isn't dead. He just got sucked in. But he who remains is evidently dead. Come to think of it TVA isn't just about Earth 616 being the sacred tineline. No. It's also Earth 616 being the sacred universe. So it is a possibility that just the way Sylvie and all the other Loki's, who, according to me aren't from different timeline but rather different universes, who somehow managed to escape Goliath. He Who Remains himself said he knows how it all begins and how it all ends. He said he was bored. So instead of pruning his variants and feeding them to Goliath he probably managed to contain them somewhere. Because when the three superior Kangs were talking to each other, the broken multiversal timeline circle was visible around them. Come to think of it, Dr Strange broke the multiverse. No argument at that. He Who Remains dying was just like the Blip that brought back all the Kangs.
@@sabatasmia8789 he who remains was never exiled, it is clear it was Kang the conquerer in ant man, there were statues hinting at it in Loki, and was made clear in quantumania, and the video explains how the killing of he who remains led to the other variants having always existed, and made the events of Loki never happened, stösst not yet, till the cycle continues
It would be dope if the oncoming war KANG talked about plays out in KANG Dynasty only to come full circle where we see Loki and Sophie confront KANG just like in Season1.
…or to help The Conqueror win and fix their timeline.
Is there only 1 avengers movie in this phase cycle? I want a movie with Kang the Conqueror from beginning to exile. and then the Kang Dynasty is where the conqueror takes out all the other Kangs. and then a final movie with how the Avengers take down Kang. Or that He Who Remains becomes He Who Remains, either by Kang the Conqueror himself, or the actual variant that becomes He Who Remains at the end of Loki. Thats where my mind goes lol
I think we have had enough of those closed loops in time travel movies. Otherwise we can just travel in the future and he would be gone. So our "crew" doesn't really have to do anything, he is gonna leave and the future or past him will be defeated time after time
I believe he is. That is why he told Sylvie, “I’ll be seeing you.”
Well looks like they aren’t the same
I actually thought about it a week ago, that the pimp particles at the end sent Kang the conqueror to a sub atomic universe in the quantum universe and that is where the TVA is located. So Kang the Conqueror just got sent to the TVA.
pimp particles
pimp particles lmao
Sounds like a great idea, but Timely does not have the Conquerors facial scars. 🤔
I wanna have pimp particles too 😉😁
Pimp particles lmfao 🤣
This was my theory when I first watched the movie. I said that we're actually watching the origin of He who remains, complete with Alioth. Alioth was is the purple smoke that followed Modok. Watch it again. Great take from you though. And the clue was He who remains saying that he always ends up right back here, at the end of Loki.
Alioth is in quantumania? Which scene exactly?
I think the name says it all. He will always remain no matter what variations happen . Hence even though Sylvia killed him he said: See you soon because he will always return . He's a mortal who is truly immortal because time moves in a circle . He is not the strongest and dies a lot but he will always return because he is the who remains. The most badass mortal in comics ever. No matter how many times avengers killed him, he will return . I love this.
I am OH SO GLAD you did this video, 'cause I left the movie theater saying exactly that!
Loved that. Had the same thoughts about Kang but also think he is Victor timely and that experience and the war changed him. Tempered his blood lust .Posted this idea on new rockstars two days ago
love the videos KEEP IT GOING!
You convinced me bro, solid work as always
I love this theory! It’s something I was speculating on as well. The connections you pointed out make a lot of sense. Plus, from an audiences point of view, keeping Kang consistent will create a bigger bad guy to deal with. Yes, I’m sure the other Kangs are no picnic, but if we could semi focus on one, it could build him up to feel like a bigger threat.
In the end? Antman Did help Kang escape, either by accident or did HWR plan it this way? Even Antman wasn't sure of did he win or not.
I like the thought of Quantumania's Kang & He Who Remains being the same person at different points in their life. Him being the version that was in the teaser for season 2 of Loki, not so much. I also think after Kang lost against Scott & Hope, he should maybe end up in confrontation with another MCU character before Kang Dynasty which helps develop his character closer to He Who Remains & even has him ally with the Avengers in Kang Dynasty. From there, they could take him two directions: 1) Have him flip on the Avengers at the end of Kang Dynasty after beating all the other Kangs which leads into Secret Wars, & is the start of his plan to become He Who Remains. That would set the Avengers up with the opportunity to stop him in Secret Wars & let all the other multiverses survive rather than repeat the cycle. 2) He sets up becoming He Who Remains in Secret Wars to loop the timeline back to the MCU we know successfully. 1 would be the better story to me, especially if they want to open the multiverses up for different actors in repeating characters. Trying to set up He Who Remains would also be a good way to split the Avengers between maximum life v. maximum order, which would pose Spider-Man & Dr. Strange's argument in No Way Home, to all the Avengers, putting them with or against Kang.
Dont work, when that should be the same person the Kang in quantum must be the older version (scar in the face) but this just don’t work cause the Kang in Loki is definitely dead, we already seen his Mummy and this was even before Loki becomes the time keeper…
So it just don’t work without logical issues…
I always thought the same thing for the exact same reasons. I felt even stronger when I noticed that Alioth’s eyes are the exact same color as the multiversal core that Kang got sucked into. That Kang said he’s the only one who can stop it & if that’s true that also makes them the same & like you said when it look like he was reminiscing on the things he’s done I think he came up with the Tva instead of him still doing it himself. It seems a little more understandable when they do it then when he does it as Kang finally once he take out all his variants he will then become “He Who Remains”
What do you think causes Kang's personality to switch to that of HWR? Is it simply loneliness? Being weary of such a long life?
He calm down. He fought in many wars, he just wants to rest.. he know the TVA will arrange everything. He creates the sacred timeline without variants of himself, he is cool now.
He finds out he’s the one who will erase the use of the pronouns they/them.😎
I think it has something to do with the blue energy he uses. I see a lot of similarities between Kang & Wenwu. When we first see Kane in Antman, he seems kind-hearted. Then later on when we see him, he is using the blue energy, and his personality has changed, and he is all about Conqueroring. It's the exactly the same with Wenwu. When we first see him in Shang Chi, we see how he conquered many civilizations and stayed young for over 1000 years. He used the rings, that also had that blue power force. Yet when there power is turned off, by Shang-chi mother or him putting them away, he becomes almost like a completely different person. I honestly think it has somthing to do with that blue energy force. I would like for some one to do a video on that.
@@jasoncullen7787 In Ant-man, Kang says he "meant" to be a conquerer (like it is his unquestionable destiny). I wonder if conquering everything....defeating every variant of himself.....leaves him empty and he goes a little crazy b/c he has nothing else to accomplish.
@@thaUnWavering Agree, this and spending what may feel like a millennia isolated at the end of time could make anyone go insane, or change of personalities. He is only human at the end of the day.
You nailed it! That's exactly what I've been thinking after seeing Quantumania and then rewatching Loki. I think HWR is the Kang from Quantumania...he just has a lot of character progression to go through between now and then.
unless its from a different universe....how wouldn't it be the same person? Do people not understand time travel :P
Mate! Your vids are top quality👌🏾👌🏾
Excellent theory and would make a great story. Lines up very well with Loki and Quantumania
I always find it interesting how HWR says,"the first varient discovered" Alioth. Then switches into him saying,"I experimented, then weaponized, then ended the MV War." Is he referring to himself on the third person or did he kill the first variant and then used Alioth?
I think he is the first variant and In Loki S1 he’s the one who sends Renslayer a message so she can deliver it to younger him so he knows how to win the Multiversal war again.
I took it to mean that the first variant only made the discovery that Alioth exists while HWR was able to tame and weaponize Alioth
@@prospersikhwari5289 Crazy, 7 months later that indeed happened in Loki Season 2 episode 3, nice one. Do you think Victor Timely was also the Kang variant in Ant Man?
@@ue4artguy385 I’m a bit thrown off now because HWR clearly states that he’s from the 31st century while Victor was born in the 16/1700 I can’t remember exactly. I am pretty sure that the kang from ant man is the one that ends up being HWR though
I don't think kang is he who remains.
I think kang was the one who saw the chaos caused by his variants and started the war and he who remains was one of the peaceful variants who got traumatized and did whatever he said loki s1 finale to save his own timeline.
Same thought as mine.
Might be but I agree with Ryan here. More evidence that this kang is HWR.
please get rid of this Rick and Morty writers while you still can!!!! SAVE PHASE FIVE aka PHASE DIVE!!!
I don’t think you’re right, mostly because like everyone I want to believe they are the same 😅 first thing that came to mind was “how can a peaceful one end a war without being violent?” Then I remembered ALIOTH 🙆🏽♂️ so I ended up giving you more aim 😅🤷🏾♂️
one man have infinite version of him that's what he's saying
Loki S2 proved that he's not the same. Near the end, Mobius said they found a Kang variant in 616 timeline where "they" took care of him.
"I guess one of 'em caused a little bit of a ruckus on 616 adjacent realm, but they handled it." - these were his exact words.
Thank you! This was my first thought leaving the theater!!
HWR is actually harder and longer to pronounce than He who remains!
Great theory and video BTW :)
Kang's story is always a loop. He who remains needs to create the younger version of himself, so he will have to start the multiversal war that he already won in his own past. Makes perfect sense and makes for a cool story too.
I love this theory, this is more or less exactly what I thought was going on when he "died" in the movie, nothing ever seems to die when its shrank further (AEB Darren Cross) so ending up at the end of time and finding a cloud dragon seems (relatively) plausible
Sound logic. Great vid guys
How do you suspect Kang will get/got his name in the MCU? I believe in the comics it was essentially the sound of him working on his armor and it caught on. But I wonder if we will get input into why his name is Kang (and not just Nathaniel) since we see that other variant use their other names (Victor Timely, Tut, etc.)? It seems as it would be something significant since Majors puts such emotion into saying "I am Kang".
I think its more direct than you're letting on. I suggest the Kang from Quantum Mania gets sucked into the Void right there at the end, meets Aoilith and unifies the timeline (however this event will take place at the end of phase -- its just backwards and out of time). I think the Kang we saw has already conquered all the Kangs. Hes angry and confused but when we peaked into what he has done, it was shown that he has ALREADY destroyed countless universes and countless avengers.
First time I watched the Loki finale, I instantly thought of the sequence with HWR as the actual Kang saga ending. If there’s a sacred timeline, our MCU, then he requires the heroes in that timeline to defeat all other variant universes, their “heroes” and own Kangs. Plus the broken statues I thought of other Kang variants.
Love these videos.
So, at the end of quantumania, the three kang variants were referring to Sylvie and Loki killing HWR and not AntFam "killing" Kang the Conqueror. Do a video on that please!
I don’t think they would know HWR ever existed bc it’s not like their timelines were restored when he died, they just started again,
Also, he wasn't exiled. He had a personal temp pad and could go anywhen he wanted.
If you think of time in a linear fashion but it’s been mentioned time works differently and given MCU I’m sure they could just hand wave away anything with time shenanigans.
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damn, i missed the quantummania spoiler warning. 😞
i do also believe that when Rama Tut was teasing Scarlet Centurion that he’s disappointed that he wasnt the one who killed him… i really think theyre referring He Who Remains and not Kang the one Scott killed, bcoz after Rama tut teases Centurion, Immortus showed them that the timelines where branching already meaning that HWR was already killed, by Sylvie ( Loki ) 💁🏻♀️💯
Come on Ryan, I commented this theory in your quantumania breakdown video saying how no one realizes Kang and HWR are the same. You could have credited me 😭
What if Kang falling into the storm is actually what creates his variants
HWR has more syllables than He Who Remains, it would be easier to just say He Who Remains
Ended up here after watching Loki Season 2, Episode 3 wondering if that was Victor Timely in Ant Man. Thank you @ScreenCrush for making these informative videos. A lot less head scratching after watching this and your most recent Loki videos.
I love your explanations!
Janet Van Dyne was just being a Karen when she trapped Kang. The timelines she saw being destroyed were those branches caused by his out of control variants. He was doing the right thing and her mind was too small to see the big picture.
hell no he wasnt doing the right thing lmao. do u even know who kang the conqueror is? he was just trying to convince her he wasnt bad because hes a master manipulator. so many casuals out there and its a no wonder why yall have the dumbest theories
Overthinking
RYAN: THE MULTIVERSE IS AN ENDLESS NUMBER OF SIMILAR DIMENSIONS WITH VARYING DEGREES OF DIFFERENCES.
ALSO RYAN: HOW CAN TWO KANGS POSSIBLY HAVE THE SAME PLAN?
ALSO ALSO RYAN: OK, IT'S REALLY TECHNICALLY TWO DIFFERENT KANGS.
Glad you read my comment & made a video on it. Im sure i wasnt alone in opinion
Regardless of what you think about Quantumania, Johnathan Majors was a great casting choice for Kang
It was also said “ kang will return” pretty sure they were talking about the kang in antman quantumania! Which means THAT Kang is NOT dead!
Look, EVERYONE knows that Kang the Conqueror didn't die. The real question is whether Kang the Conqueror and He who remains are the same person. I personally am 70% sure he is.
The KANG beaten by ANTS is not dead... but highly embarrassed in the pantheon of Supervillains. Who the hell is watching an Ant-Man film, to be concluded in the Loki season 2. No wonder so many shows are going to be cancelled!!!
@@profbfc considering a lot of things I’ve seen over the last couple of weeks EVERYONE dosent think he survived! Which is why they tried to explain why they think he DID survive!
fantastic commentary. Many good insights. Very elegant if it plays out this way as everything ties together well through multiple years and branching stories. It's brilliant the idea of being able to bring back captain America. An established possibility maintains credibility if that time comes. I suppose there is always a variant that can cross over. But then how long can characters stay in a different universe? If their presence initiates incursions, then can that be a credible route?
I back this theory 🤜🏼🤛🏼 good job working this out Brotha’
It would be a pretty crazy twist if we go through several movies fighting Kang, the Multiversal War starting, etc.
Then we get a post-credit scene at the end of Secret Wars showing Kang discovering Alioth for the first time and creating Miss Minutes. Would kind of tie everything in neatly.
I’d hope that happens. I’ve theorized that. I do think Dr. Doom will tie in at end of Secret Wars. Doom did beat Kang in comics.
you do realize hwr actually has more syllables than he who remains, right?
i agree with this. and even ant man and kassie highlighted that sometimes you have to do things differently, his original plan failed and finding alioth is his new plan
Great video
Love the channel
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Your the first one to reference the EPR paradox as a proper tool to be used in the future bravo 👏 👏 👏
Freaking so glad this channel is here!
That makes hella sense tbh, we ve heard what made HWR into the big man from Loki so seeing and learning now that Scott was the reason Kang even met Eliath (maybe) would be a cool callback and would establish consistancy beautifully for his arc.
Just to point out something about the sacred timeline. In the beginning sequence of the last episode of Loki it is implied that there are already multiple universes within the sacred timeline. The sequence starts with a look at earth and spans out into the universe until it goes out of the universe to show that that universe was inside a black hole. Now black holes could be entrances to other universes, because you know, they have a massive amount of matter compressed into an infinitesimal point, which is basically how things were before the Big Bang. Anyways, the sequence continues showing us various black holes and then zooms into another neighbouring black hole and shows us an universe and travels through it eventually changing the scene to a shot with a view point inside the sacred timeline which if one looks closely seems to be composed of multiple stings of light which can be interpreted as timelines, hence implying multiple universes. One timeline doesn’t necessarily implies only one universe. This is because multiple universes can exist at the same time as long as one cuts the branches that would lead to kangs, but this does not mean there can be only one universe, since there are many possibilities/probabilities or variants of the universe in which the result, if trimmed correctly, won’t lead to a Kang, the same way there is another set of possibilities/probabilities or variants that will lead to a Kang. These are the ones that get pruned, when universes start to branch into all the possibilities, and some lead to kangs. Just my theory because it seems we always talk about THE multiverse in terms of before and after the death of he who remains. Anyways, since he is outside of time, the multiverse is kind of like Schrödinger’s cat, in the sense that it both exists (with all branches) and doesn’t exists (the pruned one) at the same time, for all time.
I've felt like it all lines up since Quantumania as well, so I'm with you no matter what. ... The toughest deal to get past is the scars, IMO.
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Time shall tell much like it usually does.
I thought this was pretty obvious! Great breakdown. When she kills “He Who Remains” at the end of Loki, the timelines diverged and all the Kang variants came back. When he goes into the multiversal core his variant just respawned. The main plot arch of this phase is getting Kang back into his “time cage”, which has now become a battle against all of them. Fantastic Four will help make sense of this all for people. But basically, Kang variants are the big bad and now we’ve got the foundational story of how he’s gotten out of his box. The very end of AntMan with Scott’s inner monologue lays it in pretty thick; just like Tony’s rants about the greater dangers through the portal after they defeated Loki.
Take another look at the "rusting" effect that dissolves and deflects Scott's first pym-disc as it gets close to the energy core. Reminds me of what Alioth does when he eats inorganic matter in the void. Classic Loki's helmet is one example.
What’s up screencrush… reaching out from SA here and I love your content as I’m a huge comic movie fan! Wanted to ask about something that might have some relevance to your theory (which I totally back by the way) In the quantumania movie at min 20:13, just after the capture of Antman and the intro to the quantum realm. We get a scene with Janet and hope and for a brief 2 seconds, they pan onto a ‘quantum scape’ view with some floating rocks around a glowing core. One thing I noticed is the bottom right rock in the frame seemed very similar if not identical (maybe minus the bottom) to what the realm/planet/rock in which HWR is living on. Would be strange that it’s just sitting in the quantum realm but some sort of secret wars could be fought here in future and thus destroys or changes it. Not really sure how just that one rock would remain but anyway… thought the similarity could be a clue for a future plot. Especially that the quantum realm seems to be Kang(HWR) domain where he found new powers and regained control. Also continuing the ark that he’s always in this prison… still never able to fully leave the place that he was banished to. Sorry this is long but I rarely make comments. Who be really cool to hear what you think
Just looked again and would say that the angle of the shot could be slightly different. With the one large whole looking like two due to the angled nature. Whereas in Ep6 of Loki we get a very square look on the rock. Looking more scorched due to time and possibly wars
Love the theory! Well supported
Your explanation makes the most SENSE I can rest easy now 😅 and wait for Loki season 2
Genuinely a really good theory and one I'd love to see come to fruition!
I'm glad you proved what I've been thinking
Ive been saying this glad to see a video about it
Damn im so hyoe with this multiverse saga and Kang. Basically put Kang in a video title and im gonna inmediatly watch it hahaha. Keep up the great content!
Super solid think piece.. nice
Screencrush,
I’m surprised that when you mention “worlds Colliding” that you don’t play even a little snippet of Powerman 5000’s song “When Worlds Collide”😋.
Just a random thought. Carry on! Love the videos!
I will love it so much if Loki Season 1, the story that sort of acts as a prologue to the Multiverse Saga, ends up also being a great epilogue.
I love the channel and content and I believe the theory you just shared. Can you also analyze Aeoliath some speculate he may be Anubis connected to the Moon Night Series. Also the middle TVA time keeper that favors Kang. Is that a reality stone on his forehead?
This definitely makes sense, especially with the tva history starting at the beginning of Loki season 2. Ravonna also got that file on the beginning/end of time I think from Ms. Minutes which means HWR knew what Silvie would do.
@screenCrush Ryan, you just sparked a thought. Since time is all relative here and if HWR has as much control as you shared, it makes me think that the mid credit scene MIGHT have been a slight of hand. We all assume that the council was talking about Kang, but now I think they might have been referring to HWR being dead. Immortus opened that "window" and it was essentially the same view that HWR had right when he died.
I've been saying this exact thing since the movie released. He's definitely hwr. Not a variant, not a repeat version, he's exactly him. And we just saw part of he who remains origin story. Time works differently when you exist outside of time.
That sounded awesome. I want it all to go down just like that. Loki in charge of it all will be great.
This is the conclusion I came too after seeing Quantumania for the 1st time this week too.
He Who Remains yes did terrible things as Janet saw when she read his mind. But in the end he brought order to the chaos that the Kang Council couldn't. The only way to have order is to let the Kang from Quantumania out to deal with the Council.
I never really got a "This guy is evil" vibe from the Kang in Quantumania. He just came across as someone who was on a desperate mission to save reality, and even had empathy for Janet and her family (Kang could have killed her in so many instances and didn't) The Kang council gave me nothing but a "dumb hive mind intent on chaos" vibe, who would make excuses for chaos because "That's the only way the multiverse can exist"
I think if Janet had gone with Kang when she helped him rebuild the core to his ship, she would have seen what he was doing was the only way to fix reality. Instead she made a judgement call and kind of doomed reality by imprisoning him there.
I also think this Kang (He Who Remains) is 100% dead and not coming back. The events of Loki and then Quantumania have changed things forever and only the Avengers will be able to fix it now. I also think the big bad Kang has not been revealed yet and will come along either in phase 5 or 6. Either he is secretly leading the Kang Council, or he is using them as tools and will wipe them out in a future movie.
Good explanation, I am convinced.
That statue also has the scars of Kang chiseled on it. The Kang Variants using pruning sticks. All those resources are Quantum energy related too. Because when someone gets pruned they basically teleport to Alioth. But why there specifically
Thank you Ryan for actually doing all your videos, getting tired of these other channels pulling these random ass people out to do breakdowns
FINALLY a video that explains the theory I thought to be true after watching Quantomania! I think you got it perfect
I find it silly that they were all hella hyped when being summoned to the coliseum. It was like thousands of Kang all going: “WOOOO!” “YEAHHH!”
This is a Solid Analysis.
holy moly you blew my mind
They need to put you on the writing team at Marvel. Your storylines and breakdowns are more epic than the actual movies.
Why am I on a Screen Crush mcu marathon at 4 am? Why are you doing this to me ryan?
@13:45 I just noticed, the miniature on Kang's desk when he's telling Loki about "the first variant" has glasses and a lantern that is very remniscient of his appearance as Victor Timely.
The Alioth full circle at the end was well done.
Your theory interesting makes sense.😊
Great commentary as usual Ryan!
I have to point out that saying H-Double-U-R takes even longer than saying He Who Remains. 🤔🤣
Cool to know that you read my comment on your last video , Ryan. Did you watch the Michael Douglass interview I told you about?
As soon as I saw the movie I had a similiar idea I hope we get to see it play out but I'm just super excited about the upcoming phases either way.
Everyone NEEDS to watch this video!