LOKI Season 2 Plot Holes FINALLY Solved!
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Hold Up! Did y'all change your thumbnail withn 45m of releasing it? 🤔 I swear I saw Kang as the main pic, am I right? 🤨😄🤔
Nobody is asking WHY He Who Remains wants to be free....i have a theory and goes like this....
He Who Remains wants control of the mutiverse,he did say he was bored of this universe writing the same story over and over.....he set up the TVA to find and capture the strongest Loki variant who could take his place (our Loki) and all the other variants were tossed aside to the Void and the TVA collected Infinity Stones specifically time stones....Doctor Strange still wears the Eye of Agamoto.....WHY?.....it's not lost on me that all the heroes who can manipulate time have been affected Steven Strange,Wanda,and Loki and they can no longer stop He Who Remains leaving him free to take over all the other Kang variants through timeslipping.....remember all of this takes place in our universe the universe HE wrote and paved the path for everybody to walk down and once he pulls his Agent Smith he's coming for Loki and that throne and control of the multiverse itself giving him infinite stories to write
@@richardtbrown756yea they definitely changed the thumbnail for some reason
Great more coffee pods
I’m pretty sure the whole centuries later thing was him just resetting time for centuries. His time slipping allowed him to spend centuries learning from OB and Victor by reliving those moments.
That is what i thought too. He only had enough time to have ONE lesson of engineering per trip.
Imagine the amount of times he needed to rewind time because he didn't understand a lesson.
Agreed
Yeah. Loki totally Groundhog Days the thing. He repeats these last few moments of time so many times that the equivalent of centuries pass for him.
No, because he can time travel to any moment he wants, as he demonstrated earlier going back to Alcatraz Island to find Casey, etc... he is not limited to Victor and O.B.
@@edwardjohnson6744 I’m not saying he was limited to that moment. I just don’t think he left the TVA to learn what they knew.
I think one of the confusions is that they refer to it as the "Sacred Timeline" in a singular manner. But based on all they've shown us, the sacred timeline is really a woven rope of multiple universes/timelines that do not intersect or interfere with each other. It isn't a single universe that He Who Remains was overseeing.
My guess is that they're different universes but He Who Remains forced them to follow the same timeline. So the same things are happening in them at the same time. But the people don't always have to look the same, even if they're a variant of the same person. That's why there are different Lokis or Spidermen.
I dont know when or why this idea began circulating but there just simply isnt any indicator throughout the show that points to this being the case. And the sacred timeline being more than one sequence of events conceptually does not make sense.
@@blakehenderson8740 I just can't understand the different Loki variants then. If there's only one universe/timeline, then there can be only one version of Loki, who always looks like the Loki we know, played by Tom Hiddleston. In season 1 of Loki we saw a lot of completely different-looking Lokis though. And let's not forget Sylvie, who was even born female. None of this should be possible.
MARVEL IS ALSO CONFUSED NOW 🤣🤣🤣@@proximashining776
As far as I understand it the sacret timeline is a collection of all timelines that do not produce a Kang variant
The implication in the show was that O.B. learned what he knew from Victor Timely's research and notes, not directly from the man himself in some far-flung past. Neither one had ever met the other until that moment in episode 4.
Yep, the video guy doesn't understand the show.
Yes!!! so the candle maker continued his life and his sciencey stuff which O.B eventually got those notes and helped HWR to establish TVA
@@jollygoodfellow3957 The video guy is not writing the script anyway. So blame his writers. ;-)
Yup
I feel like to only one who noticed OB having a slight freak out when loki suggested working with him.
It may be nothing but so far it's been made a point that he who remains does not like working in a team.
I think there's more to OB than we are led to believe. Ms minutes was inherently evil, so did he who remains really make her? Or was it a variant of he who remains.
Regarding Loki's appearance, it seems like Odin changed Loki at a genetic/molecular level, and Loki's "default state" would have been Asgardian, except when it was changed back in the presence of Jotun magic. It makes sense if you think about it, imagine some person wanting to hurt the Asgardian royal family's reputation by trying to sneak a DNA test on Loki or the guy accidentally knocking up some girl and she gives birth to a Frost Giant. Those are things that someone wily like Odin would have thought of ahead of time.
I was thinking the spell fused Odin's DNA with Loki's, making Loki half Asgardian and half Frost Giant, with the Asgardian being dominant. Since Odin used his own DNA, he could later truthfully say Loki was his son because it was biologically so. This is also why he retained his Asgardian form inside TVA even though magic didn't work.
They never explained this in the show which it *SHOULD* have if it was actually about Loki instead of Kang and the TVA… 😒
He never had any moments with Frigga or Odin or did anything remotely ‘Godly’ apart from S2E6! There was no Loki in sight apart from S1E1 and S2E2! 😢
OB never said he met Victor Timely, he just studied Victor Timely's work.
Can we admit that Loki was pretty damn good. It’s hard to write something like this and have it wrap up so well.
It was messy and boring.
@@ZyliceLiddellyour life is written the same
@@pryt0n180 Probably goes for a lot of us! 😂
I always assumed that the "many centuries later" was how many Loops Loki went through to learn everything he needed, each time picking up more and more information, I can't remember the Episode name but Stargate did a similar thing with Teal'c amd O'Neill caught in a loop and having to learn how to tranlsate and alien language to fix it
It's also similar to the AoE episode where Quake is trapped in a time loop. She's repeating the same events over and over, without losing memory of those events, so she ends up gathering more and more knowledge on each loop
Most of the TVA had their memories wiped - probably more than once. OB was the only one who didn’t - out of necessity since he is the only one who understands how the TVA functions for all time, since the Victor Timely variants are constantly learning from scratch.
If so then he remembers that TVA goes thru destruction every time? Then why would he be so worried?
Hes an agent for kang.
@@jg5940during destruction he is reverted to his previous life, because the destruction came due to the loom exploding.
If there's no loom, there's no need for someone knowledgeable to fix it.
For all the time that the current iteration of the TVA is still active, OB will remain conscious of his past. The moment it is destroyed and a new one is formed(or not), a new variant of OB will become the worker.
Mobius is a Odin variant. 2 kids. One loves mischief the other wanted a snake instead of a puppy. Telling you I'm right
i always thought thats why he takes a special interest in loki. Odin always preferred him really.
Exactly
Doug's right, he looped over and over and over and had thousands of "classes" with OB, building on the knowledge from the previous session. OB would only remember the most recent one due to the loop, but Loki would remember it all.
It wasn’t flawless, but I’ll watch Mobius and Loki and OB and B15 and Sylvie any day. Really invested me in those characters
Its anchor perspective time travel inside the TVA.
He who remains was the anchor point and could control his place in that time line for the tva. Every time the anchor is dislodged its reset.
When loki took control he became the new anchor and he can control the flow.
And I'm pretty sure the centuries thing was just loki restarting time over and over learning as he repeated.
Yep. I'm sure Loki learning from OB from only a couple hours was tedious, but he needed to learn and he needed to waste as little time as possible explaining the situation.
My biggest problem is why OB would even think for a moment the throughput multiplier would work on an infinitely growing multiverse. It was a problem I had around epsiode 4 and I'm glad they adressed, but OB is too smart to be surprised by it
To be fair to OB, throughout his whole life at the TVA (hundreds, probably thousands of years) the Sacred Timeline has been one single timeline. Then after He Who Remains died it grew a few branches, and maybe he thought that was the end of it. He didn't realize that it was actually infinitely growing. He had no experience with that kind of thing.
He freaked out when loki was trying to learn from OB (He specifically said "no teams!"). The thought of being in a team seems to disgust OB as well, maybe even more than he who remains.
Ikr, I kept thinking that while I was way watching and thought they would have some clever solution to infinity. They didn’t, that part annoyed me. I’m an idiot but OB and timely are supposed to be geniuses, there’s no way they didn’t realize that a finite object can’t contain infinity.
Firstly, it might have been a stop gap measure, but they had determined that it would not even serve as that through failure. Secondly, it is possible that he thought it could deal with a fairly infinite growth rate, but this growth rate was beyond what he expected. For example, real numbers have a different countable infinity compared to integers. Perhaps, he thought that he was dealing with the countability of integers when he was dealing with the countability of real numbers.
How is the TVA still operational if there is no loom? Isn't the loom was the main power source of the TVA?
There's a very simple answer to the question of why the events of The Avengers in 2012 were never mentioned in Loki when HE went to 2012. Different times of the year. Maybe he went there in April and the Avengers movie took place in August.
16:45 It’s also worth mentioning that his immunity to temporal radiation seems to be quite related to his ability to control time itself-time slipping-as the temporal radiation simply speeds up aging-that’s it.
I had the same thought. I would also add that It can also be seen that as loki gets closer to the loom a few wrinkles appear on his face and starts to look a bit older but then he does his thing and then his body adapts to the ageing.
I am more pissed that in all the related videos no one seems to remember that Loki already new that it wouldnt kill him because in S02 E01 he got ejected from the Loom and he was fine, even mobius suit was in worst state than loki's normal clothes.
Clearly the TVA experiences time, because at the beginning of the second season we see that the TVA is ruled by Kang when Loki is returned to the TVA. Then later the TVA has their memories wiped and they believe that it's the three lizards leading the TVA. This is also how Mobius doesn't remember chasing an analyst that looked like Loki before.
So for OB to remember anything that Loki told him, it had to occur after the memory wipe. Though it's strange OB would not also remember having met Loki.
It's really weird we have the tape recording of HWR and Revona, but no explanation of how that recording was made, I speculate that something in the scrapped episode 5 would have explained how that was accomplished.
21:24 it’s like that episode of Star Trek, where Warf starts time slipping. It’s all on top of itself, and there is an infinite number of universes, because there is an infinite number of choices, and every choice creates a new universe. In consequential choices don’t stay diverged, they collapse. Consequential choices are nexus events. All timelines collapse at an apocalypse. They are more like sign waves than branches of a tree on the broad scale. Like, plucking a string.
I think a lot of folks miss the big Ouroboros of this season. He Who Remains shapes Loki into a master of time, to take over his role. The Multiversal War forged HWR. That war can't happen while the Loom exists. Loki destroys it and maintains the Multiverse. Thus, they both HWR and God of Stories Loki create each other. Both are loops on the same infinity symbol.
Exactly. It’s just now Loki’s term on that loop. At some point the Kang variants are gonna go after him and destroy the tree.
HWR was forged from a PRIOR multiversal war. The destruction of the loom will result in a NEW multiversal war with Kang the Conqueror coming to power. HWR is dead.
They’re connected to each other like two sides of the same coin. 🪙 ♾️ Sort of like Harry and Voldemort. They’re a part of each other in a loop and the loop won’t break.
That random Homestar Runner reference. I love you, Screencrush.
He Who Remains won the multiverse war by using Alioth and the TVA to prevent rival timelines from begin created. This is really important. The Loom is preventing uncontrolled timelines from spawning and releasing Kang variants that could fight He Who Remains. He tells Loki that Loki and his friends can only save the multiverse by supporting the sacred timeline plan. This is why Sylvie is so angry. She feels that the level of control He Who Remains has created removes meaning from life because they no longer have free will. What Loki and Sylvie want in the end is no sacred timeline. Sylvie convinces Loki to just let timelines run wild, to not try to control the multiverse. And this is what Loki tries to do in the end! Instead of the multiverse collapsing, he holds it together, trying to save it and allow more timelines, not just the tightly controlled sacred timeline. He Who Remains _LOSES_ His plan was to keep the TVA and sacred timeline intact.. But Loki replaces the sacred timeline with the _branching_ tree of time. This will work for a while, but according to HWR, it can't be a permanent solution.
Because it just lets a new multiversal war happen.
Exactly this. I think Ryan is mistaken in his belief that HWR actually got what he wanted.
Depends if Loki's solution is permanent and He Who Remains was just wrong and tired or HWR is right and we see this at a later point. If Loki did manage to control the Kang Variants this way, his way than HWR would be happy too. If not? He did not what he wanted and the multiverse will be in trouble.
"I'm a Peacock Captain, you gotta let me fly!" The Other Guys is the most underrated comedy of all-time imho. Genius on every level.
My primary gripe with the show is that it doesn't SHOW us the entire Ouroboros. We have to assume that it happens, but we don't ACTUALLY see the full "restart" at any point. We have to take Kang's word for it. Like mentioned, we don't see the "past" TVA at any point in the show. Those details are sorely missed.
I think it's more likely that episodes 5 and 6 were rewritten to lead to Majors' potential exit. I think the original plan was to show us the Ouroboros through the "reset", and Loki reassembling the team himself(in fact, I think the reassembly shots ARE from this narrative, just recut to be the story we actually received). The key here is that we still do not have a solid answer to when/how the TVA workers had their memories erased, and the TVA rebranded to follow the Time Keepers. This would have included the Renslayer content. That's why we feel like there are plot holes and pieces are missing.
Why would they rewrite episodes to enable Major's exit when at the time they were filming season 2 Majors was still a popular star with no legal problems? The filming wrapped up in 2022 and Major's problems with law started in 2023.
People involved in the making of the Loki series stated multiple times they did no reshoots for season 2. So the story couldn't have changed because of Majors, as at the time his problems started the whole season 2 was already filmed.
Loki has had the best character arc of any character in a movie
Not many characters get 25 movies and 3 tv series to have such an extended arc. In fact... Loki may be the only one
Obie never met Victor Timely in person in the original timeline. He learned from what Victor Timely WROTE. He even says this. They *both wrote* the TVA manual. And he didn’t even know who Timely was when they were introduced because they never actually met until that moment.
I was scrolling hoping someone brought this glaring hole up...My sanity thanks you
And that is the new book we saw at the end. And the book is not Blank! Wtf.. how can this professionals easter egg hunters cant see there is something written in the middle of the page??????? DO they need a bigger monitor? Are they watching it on their cellphones?
I don't know if its trolls or content farming or just lazy but honestly half of these are just explained in the show if you pay the least bit of attention (pretty sure it states that its the TVA manual 2.0)
@@cesarblsjr
Also I just realized Multiverse of Madness couldn't have happened before Kang died so it's not really Strange's fault. He couldn't have predicted that.
What?
20:04 I think it’s even more of a comparison. You could think of the sacred timeline as Mjolnir, and after they both go through the intense radiation, there is a new, more powerful copy, both Stormbreaker and the Yggdresil tree “you learn that sometimes it’s okay to lose something, if there’s a hope that you can replace that thing with something better”
*14:04* Right.. Except when Miss Minutes hacked all the devices from the TVA, she also hacked one of the devices from OB. Not to mention that they said that she basically controls all the TVA, so shouldn't Renslayer use her to find where Loki and Mobius (or even Timely) are at?
I just love that nearly one month after the finale, you guys keep churning videos about Loki s2.
It's just a testament on how good this show is.
Even if the original physical Loki needs to stay on the throne I would bet he can use his magic to put himself into the various realities and be the person everyone said he was - a way for other people to be their best selves. But if he's doing it intentionally it isn't nearly as depressing..
There already are regular Lokis in those timelines though. His variants, who were born on those timelines.
Could be. Doesn't mean he can't put himself into the timeline, or into other Lokis.@@proximashining776
Another point about the Infinity Stones: we don't actually see them on any other place but Casey's desk.And that desk got pruned by B15 like a minute later
Great explanations. I noticed you mention the impossibility of time travel. That always makes me thinking of a book about the work of Einstein and Godel: A World Without Time. It deals with some implications of Einstein's work that suggests time travel might be possible, and as a result, the way time becomes an empty idea. (As Hulk notes my past becomes my present once I have traveled there). The issue of time travel also reminds me of the easiest response to the idea that A.I. will never be able to think and feel like us... absent the idea of a soul, we are the best evidence that matter in the universe can be arranged in a way that can think and feel like us. Similarly, our experience of time is the best evidence that travel "through" time is possible.
Did you have any other questions?
Can you do some videos on older movies?
Yes can you generate views outside of talking about Loki? Your friend EAV is curious.
Do you ever get tired of reliving the same time loop of repeating the same information just to fill out another sponsored video?
Hold Up! Did y'all change your thumbnail withn 45m of releasing it? 🤔 I swear I saw Kang as the main pic, am I right? 🤨😄🤔
Victor timely still exists at the TVA. He's the only king variant that was not pruned. He still works for the TVA just like all other variants with no timeline
they showed the book not being dropped mening he will cease to exist
The other Kang Variants weren't pruned. Every possible multiverse exists now, so every Kang exists now.
Victor Timely that we saw in Loki could be the last Kang variant that follows the Sacred Timeline, and the first one that work with the TVA
@@BruceWayne-gn8lk canonically he was the first one to work with the TVA. Then he who remains is the second one and a different Victor timely is the third.
@@rajimus After Loki destroyed the loom, Victor can be seen standing with OB, Mobius, Silvie, Casey and B-15. It was his temporal aura which opened the blast doors. The Kang variant in the 19th century was probably kidnapped as a baby and placed there since Kang was born in the 31st century. In some timelines, that variant lived out his life in the 19th century
I understood about the Quantum Realm being adjacent, but the one that trips me up is Shang-Chi’s world, I was convinced it was another universe and that Shang-Chi himself only exists cause of branching timelines, being the son of people from different universes. The Ten Rings’ backstory was completely changed from what was established in Iron Man, I think the death of HWR altered events in 616’s history as well, the past and present of every universe.
we must remember when he cannot control the slipping he is sending his physical body back, when controlling it he only sends his consciousness back, so that’s why he can have 2 version of themselves
why doesnt he who remians do the following: after he wins the multiversal war he creates the temporal loom and destroys it himself. The failsafe destroys everything apart from the sacred timline, where he who remains could go and just chill without having to worry about his variants anymore.
My theory is that when HWR says “we just crossed the threshold” I think he’s referring to Loki’s time slipping since we only see him time slip past that time. I’m thinking he said this because he didn’t know when Loki would time slip to have a conversation but he knew it would happen. How would he know about victor timely and the temporal loom problem if he said he knew everything that would happen up until when the threshold was crossed?
I thought I had a pretty good theory for why and how Loki was able to spend centuries learning theoretical and quantum physics.
And I think it's implied in the first instance in the starting of episode. When Loki rushes over to Ob and ask him what should we have done? I think the first simple answer is that Loki asked Obi if I was able to time travel and come up with a way for me to learn , what is one secret that you can tell me that you know I wouldn't have known unless I was controling time and I believe this is The start script that Loki perfects post the centuries later title card.
I hope that makes sense.
I just wanna know what was up with that special ore sylvie was mining in season 1
I think she just wanted to lure the TVA in/make branches, it was never bout the ore
The new version of the TVA Handbook may just have a few blank pages in the beginning or pages with few words (like a dedication page or title page with the script located in the center).
I think the Victor Timely that was with us in the loom room is still working at the TVA. The second edition of the handbook is credited to OB and Timely and OBs desk, which was super cluttered and kind of a straight up mess when we first saw him, is tidied up and clean with a typewriter set up right in the middle.
Ya you watched that in another video
@@igotthejuice2090 yeah sure did lol. I think it was Eric Voss at New Rockstars that I saw point it out first.
@@jimmyk4445 yea i watched that video last night hahaha
11:07 Out of NOWHERE with that Coach Z reference from Homestar Runner! Love it! Haha
The problem with the suggestion that Loki has changed "he who remains' " plans is that with infinite timelines there will inevitably be too many Kangs for the TVA to manage... perhaps this is beyond "he who remains' " plans but the multiversal war should still occur so will a different Kang win? Or someone else?
The end of that will be the whole universe being reseted, so Disney can start a whole new MCU, fresh, with new actors and storylines.
I was under the impression that the TVA wasn't pruning all timelines that weren't the sacred timeline, but the timelines that they were told to prune, meaning the ones where the Kang variants become a threat to he who remains.
Three ads within the first 6 minutes. Dude.......come on.
The TVA guidebook second edition isn't blank. Although it's only for a millisecond, you can see, in a blur, some print in the middle of the page that OB stops on. The first page or two might appear to be blank, but as is the case with a lot of books, title pages and things are often just printed on the front of the page and blank on the back. I don't think this is a plot hole, just an issue of not seeing enough of the inside of the book.
@ScreenCrush The one plot hole that bugged me was season 1 episode 3 at the very end on lamentis. The TVA could not find them until they kissed which made their universe into a branch timeline, But they were seconds from being killed. So wouldn't this have stopped their universe from branching? That was the whole reason Sylvie hid away in apocalypses.
I think it branched because Loki dying there wasn't supposed to happen
@@apostleofninomaeinais3578 but he didn't die there, it would have branched upon him dying, not before.
The universe branching or not wasn't a problem. A nexus event was whatever He Who Remains labeled as such, and whatever happened on the Sacred Timeline that he didn't want to happen.
He Who Remains wanted Loki and Sylvie to reach his citadel. He said he paved the road for them. So Loki and Sylvie dying on Lamentis would be against his plan, and everything that differed from what HWR wanted was by definition a Nexus event. So their imminent death was what caused the Nexus event, not their kiss. That both things happened simultaneously was just a coincidence.
@@apostleofninomaeinais3578 Exactly, it was branching because they were about to die which would break the sacred timeline (the lokis doing their thing is the end of the sacred timelines trajectory) so them about to die was causing the TVA to go off like a siren, the timeline was about to break.
Or, HWR wrote everything to happen that way so he programmed the redline event to save them at just the right time.
In fact, if you watch everything in both seasons of Loki, and realize all of the "coincidences" and "near misses/saves" were all part of a METICULOUS plan by HWR to elevate Loki to his level temporally so that he could take over for him at the TVA.
Kang was not lying in season 1, his whole plan is just to have Loki go through the steps to grow into the god of time so he could understand and take over the TVA and with enough love and compassion for his friends to keep pruning everyone else alone at the end of time in his citadel.
Loki however became instead the god of stories and broke his failsafe reset button loom and instead chose to build a golden throne out of the shattered remnants of the citadel at the end of time and sit alone for all time supporting the multiverse with his unlocked by centuries of knowledge and growth magic based time god powers.
Kang taught him how to be a god to replace him in his broken TVA and instead Loki broke the prison and now it is his reign.
I think its becausee other GODs notice it. Notice the blasfemy of a GOD falling in love with himself. thus changing what they would have done in the Timeline.. We forgot that there is others powers in the universe with this whole Kang chinanigas and its proposital so the show dont get too complicated for the sake of the writers
Damn, you caught me off guard so badly with Coach Z there, I started laughing and couldn't stop.
I have a question. Is God of Stories Loki the most powerful being in the MCU now? More powerful than the Celestials from Eternals, and the Scarlett Witch? I think God of Stories Loki destroys Scarlet Witch.
Yes. He is the current most powerful being in Marvel *BESIDES* the Celestials.
Omg HomeStar Runner. Never expected to see the "Gud jerb" scene.
Thank you ScreenCrush for this video! Loki is a great show, worthy of a lot of thought.
Small loop in a bigger loop in a bigger loop. Orobororobororoboris
here's one: how can they place victor timely back into his timeline, like he had never left, but not Mobius? if all timelines are saved, then doesn't that include Mobius's origin timeline?
The timeline that our Mobius was plucked from had already bring pruned.
They didn't.
I think Loki can interact with all the timelines as he wants because he can just send his clone or projection out to anywhere anytime and anyone for example ego can leave from his planet form where his brain is Loki can also meet Thor or others help them anyway he desired to change their fate
The only plot holes I found in the series were minor things with secondary characters and had nothing to do with time travel or Loki. It suprises me every time someone says it's not clear to them what was going on in regards to that aspect, because although there were quite a lot of concepts introduced, they are easily explained and consistent (whithin Loki series at least). But maybe it depends on how much a person is familiar with the topics :)
Honestly Ryan is such a beast. No wonder he has a coffee sponsor. My guy needs it!
Shouldn’t there in theory be other Loki & Sylvia variants going through the events of Loki the series. What happens once they reach that ‘God Loki’ point. Or do we assume this variant is special and no other Loki can reach this God of story’s Loki level that this variant has reached?
They are special variants
Our Loki and Sylvie created nexus events, and weren’t pruned.
Ooh homie that was answered season 1. They are two special variant. Loki most powerful, Slyvie is a girl.
Each variant once plucked from time only exist along their own track. So it wasn’t possible for Loki in season 1 to have died by pruning to rynslayer in the first episode.
Like how kang is in the comics. One guy taken from many points along his own story.
I’d say yeaa this Loki i think is the first variant to reach that level. I think that before this Loki every Loki gets stuck in a loop trying to beat HWR. Even when this Loki decides to change the equation HWR assumes like the rest of the Loki’s that he’s gonna fail because none of the other variants decided to destroy the loom and be the one to hold all the timelines together.
@ScreenCrush I don't believe it's a plothole but couldn't it be possible the reason why He Who Remain had so many Loki variants pruned was to create a ultimate Loki? Like, what would've happened if Loki decided to kill Sylvie? It just kind of reminded me of that movie The One with Jet Li and how one variant was going to many different earths becoming stronger, smarter, better by killing his varations but in the end only two varations existed while one went into a ultimate max prison and the other had a normal life. The same thing basically happened in Loki season 2.
In The One killing off his variants made Jet Li's character stronger, smarter etc. because power distributed evenly between all living variants of the same person within the multiverse. So if there was less of them, it distributed between less people. That's why the two remaining variants were both super powerful, not just the killer.
In Loki the death of one's variant doesn't seem to give other variants of the same person any extra power boosts.
@@proximashining776 Yeah, but technically within the MCU version of things we aren't 100% sure if that is or isn't the case. The purpose of my comment was just to bring up a possibility or similarity.
Storywise I personally leaned into a different possibility of why all the Loki's needed to be pruned out of existences for He Who Remains to use Loki as a battery overall. Since the longer I looked at Timely prototype the more it reminded me of a prison for Loki.
The reason for using "The One" as an example was because one variant ended up in a Prison while the other had been free this being the parallels of Loki and Sylvie. Even if killing a Loki somehow made the remaining Loki's a little bit stronger. wiser, or better doesn't necessarily means the powers of a Loki are divided but the knowledge of the Loki's he met that succeeded and failed is also a sense of that "power."
Loki admits he wasn't good at enchanting while Sylvie did it effortlessly. Old Loki could build real illusions. Sorry if my examples are flawed.
I hope the writers at Marvel figure out a way for Loki to reunite with his brother Thor so that Thor can see how he has changed for the better. It could be epic.
I went and re watched the finale and man it’s even better after you go back and watch it!
You took your own interpretation and theories and presented each as fact to answer all these questions? Bold...very bold.
As someone who aspires to be a writer, “plot holes are the pockets fans thrive in”. That doesn’t excuse bad writing, but good writers leave space for the fans, and for themselves to build off of later.
why is loki the god of stories and magic but his go to move is always a knife
It’s funny that Doug makes Ryan laugh. It’s him . He is Doug’s voice. It’s heeeem! 😂
Also if you're looking at the timeliness as a tree, incursions could be branches and/or roots growing into each other and either finding balancing and growing more or dying cause they fight for control.
17:14 yes the stones are tied to their native universes, but in What If? The Infinity Stone version of Ultron destroys his native universe and yet the Infinity Stones Ultron uses still function.
They don't have memories of loki in the past tva because it was before the last reset happened. That is why mobious and b15 said "he just wants us to let them grow?" It was reset after that time including the variants. OB seems to be the only one who never reset
The past OB might be from a later date than past Mobius and B-15. From a time after the last reset. We just assume Loki meeting their past versions happened in the same time period but it could have been two different time periods.
True. We never have a time said for either one
I’m about to watch this hoping these guys have figured out what’s really going on by now . I’m hoping this guy doesn’t still think Loki is maintaining the whole multiverse despite what Mike Waldren clearly stated years ago about the multi system we are exploring . Here goes
I just noticed that when Loki finally is able to control the time slipping he uses a posture that resembles what he did in Season 1 Episode 1 in Renslayer's court when he was going to do magic. Cool callback if intentional.
Saying Kang was written out is thinking about it for 2 seconds in the most shallow way & thinking it makes sense. But it still would make absolutely no sense for the multiverse story to continue without Kang if you think about it in any meaningful way.
When Loki asks Casy about the crack in the floor he says “it’s been there as long as I can remember” so I guess the implication is that all the variants are mind wiped every so often
except Obie, I assume, because he’s basically the only guy who knows how to keep the TVA running
15:25 "Why Loki doesn't look like a frostgiant in the TVA?" Personally, I don't think in the MCU he's JUST a Frostgiant... I think about the time Thor was born Hela felt her place as heir was at risk so she made an alliance with the Frostgiants and had Laufey's child to seal the union. That's what caused the war, that's why Loki is so much like Hela in looks and abilities, that's why Loki was so small for a Frosgiant and was so easily changed to look like a full Asgardian.
Odin didn't adopt a random Frostgiant prince, he adopted his grandson and just shifted what DNA was presented in his looks.
Once the magic was cast it became permanent and was nolonger magic.
There’s a theory that he saw Hela in Odin’s mind and wanted to impress him by taking on an appearance similar to Hela’s. I wish the show explained more of Loki. 😪
I always wondered how Victor Timely could possibly have the same temporal aura as He Who Remains.
One would think a “temporal” aura reflects the timeline one lived through. If so, Timely couldn’t possibly have the same temporal aura as HWR.
Almost any biometric information (voice, eye, fingerprint, or blood test), sure, but not temporal aura.
That's what I thought too. On the other hand, how does TVA tell whether someone like Sylvie is a Loki variant? They don't look alike. So maybe variants of the same person have the same temporal aura?
Temporal aura is identical to all variants of the same person. For example they used Loki's temporal aura to track Sylvie in season 1. It makes sense, considering variants may look completely different, so if temporal aura was also different, then there would be no way of knowing if the person is a variant of particular person or not.
When ever, I hear a dog quoting the grapes of wrath, I’ll be there.
Tree vs Loom: MAGIC! The tree has Loki's Asgardian magic.
Fresh frozen... fresh frozen out of a can. *Gordon Ramsey going wild
If the sacred timeline was a loop, then where would the loom be?
It didn't take Loki centuries to learn physics etc. The centuries are spent going thru an infinite number of possibilities to get to the realization that only he could fix the timeline in the way he did.
A bit of both.
But why do they not just let the temporal loom explode, go to the sacred timeline and than let the timelines branch out again, while making sure the temporal loom/TVA doesnt get built again. Why does temporal loom braking suddenly mean that no timeline apart from the sacred one can exist if there where multiple timelines before he who remains ever built the temporal loom????
mama i made it 🙏🏼 thanks for answering my question ryan
That was some good stuff! Solid explanations! My brain can rest easy for a while 😁👍
It's only time travel in the TVA of him learning up to the moments he finally ends Loki season 2
im still confused on what happened to the victor timely that was in the tva when loki destroyed the loom? if they went back in time and stopped him from getting the tva manual would they have had to put him back in his normal timeline first?
If people paid attention to the Convo between Loki and Kang, We're not seeing the whole story. After Kang freezes Sylvie we're only see the outcome that continues the convo.
Thats why they have long pauses between sentances up until loki comes up with the Idea to just destroy the loom himself. Then the pace picks up, up until the "I know champ"
And with that Kang has lost control, he already knew what happened because time happens all at once. So the other kangs coming, he's still convinced Loki will lose to them.
You are wrong about the S1E6 intro, I am convinced.
The first "black hole" contains us, our history, our historical events. This is represented by a tame spherical big bang radiating outwards. The things you see and hear are from our real world, except the spaceship... (Some kind of easter egg? idk)
The other one is where Loki's multiverse lives, i.e. Loki is not in control of our history etc.
Seems like Deadpool and She-Hulk can communicate across this divide because of the K.E.V.I.N. but idk.
Ouroboros is He Who Remains. . . That's why he and Kang have that connection with writing each other's books.
And I would love to see that.
Also, Ouroboros could also want someone else to control the timeline, that's why he passed the torch down... to Loki.
I'm still confident that ' 8 year old boy ' was Kid Loki who killed Thor on the bridge and got pruned by RenSlayer when Mobius failed to do so himself
- How did Miss Minutes erase memories?
- What happened to Brad?
- Will D-90 ever show up in the void with Ravonna since they were both pruned?
- Is the ‘For All Time Always’ logo that Ravonna finds a pruned version of Kang’s TVA?
- Are the infinity stones useless/obsolete even with the magic dampeners off?
- Can Loki astral project from the World Tree?
- What are all of Loki’s powers?
- Is Loki still a frost giant?
Screencrush is a great channel. Honestly I didn’t enjoy Loki. But I enjoy watching Ryan and his boss, Doug, discussing Loki.
How you did the Coffee Advert was smooth! I liked it a lot and didn't skip it!
at the end...They(writers/director) should've had Loki conjured himself two gantlets and summon all the infinity stones in Casey's desk ..then take hold of the timelines and sit down on his golden throne....would've been even more EPIC
“If you take time away from Victor Timely you get Victory.”
“What about the L?”
“He Who Remains already took the L “
Love you Ryan
I think Brad made a deal with Sylvie and she used HWR device to place him on the sacred timeline . Remember some of these Kang variants have access to a Heart of Forever type of device that can actually warp time .
Dug doing Maggie’s Farm is hilarious!
That Ghost of Tom Joad reference was Epic!
A Coach Z reference like that makes my day
Love the touch of the Loki coffee cup
Loki had already survived the temporal radiation when he was pulled from the timeline, so, he had an idea that he could survive. He did sacrifice himself in the most Loki way by pruning his earlier self, though. Ep 6 did show us that the timelines do require an anchor to survive, so HWR's plan can still be in action. Even with Loki on the throne, someone had to be there when HWR took over. My questions; how do we know that Loki was able to grasp all timelines? In the moments he had to collect them, could Loki guarantee that all timelines were flowing in one direction? If they are not all flowing the same direction, could he have sorted the timelines by a particular event (Kang variant appearance?) and sent those in the "roots" direction away from the prosperous canopy? Was Loki able to align all timelines so that the same point in each history we in the same place? If a Kang timeline flowing backward from the others were to cause an incursion into another timeline, where could he end up?