@@Doug-b1e Just like Ace had a unique style, nobody played the drums like Peter before or after and that chemistry between Gene; Paul, Ace & Peter is what made the original "KISS" so great.
Cool series this is going to be. I was a KISS fan/supporter from the mid 70's through the late 80s. My first KISS concert was the Creatures tour in Irvine California. I was there for all the ups and downs of the band and their ever changing sound. I remember getting COTN the day it was released and listening and thinking "WOW, this IS F'n HEAVY". Part one was great, looking forward to the rest. Bravo man. PS RIP Eric Carr, Bill Aucoin
@@billycain9890 Call Ace whatever you like , but he had the instinct to warn Gene and Paul that Elder was utter rubbish. They ignored him and destroyed Kiss in the process , they never recovered as a group and the music never recovered .
@@parabot2 okay Ace fanboy creatures of the night lick it up and revenge are all great albums said by the fans. An ace had nothing to do with them. And speaking of instinct he should have had an instinct that told himself straighten up be a professional and stay in a band if he had Tommy Thayer's work ethic he would have never left. But hey you keep telling yourself so important if you say it enough you might believe it
Are there any Dave Meniketti interviews. Dave IMO is sadly one of THE most underrated and under talked about dudes. I would love to hear some Y&T stories from back in the day
yea like all humans lol they feel the need air the dirty laundry its their band keep it to yourself one interview ace takes blame next ace blames band who cares i like kiss for entertainment not their opinions etc
Ace deserved the Attention he got ! He was an important Member ! I became a Fan because of Ace ! He‘s my favorite Member and that never changed to this Day 👍 I also love The Elder !
why ? it’s Gene ; Paul ; Ace & Eric !?!? The Oath ; Dark Light ; Mr. Blackwell ; I ; Escape from the Island or Only You is definitely KISS ! And Gene used orchestra on his Solo Record before that - it’s nothing new (to me) ! I love it ! Sorry not agree !
Ace was right. 🎸 One or two songs is one thing , but 3 albums straight with a new directions is a lot on a band. Metal and didn't go away. .. Maiden and Priest were rising. Kiss is best when it's sexy and heavy and despite the 💵🏦 they know all about that!;🍸
yep, people baggin' on Ace in the comments, but his instincts were correct. gene and paul dismissed him cuz he was an alk, completely disregarding his contributions. gene and paul moved away from what made Kiss successful, the drunk was the only sober one.
@@independenceltd. You are correct. Ace hung out with the wrong people as well. And he admits that he would work when he felt like. I think they all could have taken a breath and a break after the Porsche accident. It's really too bad they weren't as hard on Ace to stay cool. It's a wonder he wasn't arrested or dead. He shot himself with a UZI. ! The one thing that doesn't ever say it that yes, Ace Frehley would succeed but that's because The Spacemen was famous and succeeded first. 👍🎸
Maybe tbey should've listened to Ace who was the only member writing good songs which stand out on his 78' solo album and his contributions on Dynasty & Unmasked which were good songs but I think they should've droped the poppy production and with the rite producer been made heavier and they should've tried adding distortion giving tbe songs a harder crunch punch sound especially when you consider the British invasion and what other groups like Ozzy, Judas Priest & Iron Maiden to bame a few were doing.
Thanks again Full In Bloom. Love these videos. Gene and Paul should have never parted ways with Bill Aucoin. I read somewhere he picked up a nasty coke habit during the height of Kiss fame but he still had their best interest at heart.
@brianmcghee3597 If you read or listen to the audio of Paul's book, he tells some inside info about Bill. Paul is fairly kind about Bill and gives him a pass on a lot of things, but it's there to see. He was a sick man.
I grew up on KISS in the 70's. Saw them in Detroit in Jan 78'. Then saw them again in Saginaw MI early 84. Once again in Raleigh NC in July 2012. Amazing band. They will always be my favorite. Thanks for posting this, I can't wait for part 2
I was one of those KISS freaks as a kid, supporting them vehemently when people would put them down. Their Dynasty tour was my first show. Though the passion stayed for a while afterward, by the time Creatures came out, I couldn't have cared less about them anymore. I reconnected with them as a teenager, and loved them, but had to admit they weren't as cool as Judas Priest or Iron Maiden at the time. It was like I was hanging on to a piece of my childhood by remaining a KISS fan. I never listen to those 80's albums anymore.
I won't hesitate to admit I loved every single Kiss album with very few reservations. But everyone knew that the solo albums were 'off' (two were good, two were 'wtf?'), and disco was a no-go. Only die hards were still listening when Unmasked came out and even less when Music From The Elder came out. I was the only person I knew who still cared about Kiss at that point. Creatures of the Night was an amazing tour de force of heavy hitting sound. It was Kiss entering the ring with all the new British bands (NWOBHM). But again, few bothered to give Kiss another shot. It wasn't until they took off the makeup and released Lick It Up that people started paying attention again. If you listen carefully to this vid, you might notice that bandmembers often contradict themselves. They struggle between the truth and maintaining the band's image. Notice how Paul lays the blame for Elder on others...but people there at the time all agree--and this is true for all albums from 1978-1981--that Paul and Gene wanted to make what they made. Paul wanted to reach a new audience, pop radio, and wanted to impress their critics (Elder). Paul hides his own participation behind words like "going astray" and all that....but that's only because it didn't sell. Had they sold well, Paul would be saying how great and important the changes were, how the band had outgrown its limited early sound, etc etc. I'll be kind to Paul and say that whatever he's saying is true at the moment he says it, but don't expect it to necessarily be true later.
Paul Lennon and Gene McCartney, the GlimmerStien Twins didn’t want to share those royalties. Fun fact: Paul and Gene invented copper wire fighting over a penny someone threw on stage….🤣😂🤷🏼♂️
Whatever. Contrary to your thinking, even musicians are in it for the money. All of them. If you think they'd do it for free, then I hope you enjoy your lone island of thinking that. Ace Frehley has no one to blame but himself for being an ignorant alcoholic and drug addict. It cost him dearly and he deserved all of it.
@@martincarnahan381 all our money was turned into more equipment, studio time, merch, etc.. Yeah, we paid the bills and lived a crazy life, but ultimately the direction of the industry just soured me. I turned my drumsticks into a surfboard and now I play slide blues on a dobro and harmonica in the peace of my hard earned sanctum of east Hawaii. The point was Gene and Paul were notoriously greedy. Ask Minnie Vincent….
I've seen a lot of videos on KISS. This is a good one. Most of it I've heard before but then there is some perspective that I haven't. Bill Aucoin made KISS, no doubt. While they had some success without him, I think not having him around was a mistake. So much of what he started for them is still in play today and makes them millions upon millions annually. I don't think people realize how hard it is to become a success in music. I think Bill "sold his soul" not for himself but to make KISS famous. That's how much he believed in these guys, especially Gene and Paul.
Creatures is my favorite studio album, the songs are great and the mixing is fantastic with the drums right in your face. Love your narrative style man, you should be lending your voice to media other than just YT.
Creatures is a great album. It just came out about 10 months too soon.. Motley Crue's Shout at the devil started that new era of music. If Creatures came out around the 4th qtr of 83 it would have been extremely successful...
11:57 no, no, NO! not "parting ways". That's when both parties decide to split. Paul meant to say FIRE Bill Acoin. Gene and Paul conspired to fire him during their little talk and so they did.
On the Creatures tour the ticket sales here in Providence were so poor under 2,000 for a 12,000 seat arena that promoter Frank J Russo had to cancel the show but had anyone with a ticket and wanted to see them in Worcester which is right down the road from Providence , show up at the Civic Center and bussed to the Worcester show , that Creatures Tour for whatever reason were playing shows to near empty arenas , always liked the album they were bouncing around and experimenting with all kinds of music back then with The Elder and Dynasty it’s like they were trying to find their identity . I loathed Dynasty and The Elder when they came out but love both of those albums now they are certainly different and not for everyone though for sure , on a side note Providence’s own Vini Poncia produced Dynasty and co wrote I Was Made For Loving You and Sure Know Something and also sang back up and played keyboards , I’ve come to expect great Full In Bloom videos and got one !
Frank j russo awesome. He brought so many good shows to the providence civic center. And I was lucky enough to have seen kiss at the providence civic center on kiss alive 2 tour.Once kiss lost an original member that real magic they once had was gone and the legion of original fans and kiss army was gone with it.But the memories of concerts at the providence civic center hold some cherished memories. 🤘🤘🤘🤘
@@ronsilvia8127 Awesome Kiss Alive II my favorite album by them ! Well said the Providence Civic Center was the place to be back then so many concerts and great times for sure 👍🏻
I like how Ace thought that having a HIT (written by Russ Ballard) who had been released before, somehow made him more creative than the other guys. His other hit song In The Night was also a previously released song written by again Russ Ballard. And No Ace solo album, once he left the band, was as big as the KISS albums. I really liked Frehley's Comet albums...but not as much as the KISS stuff.
They lied about one thing the contract they signed in 1980 since Peter was “fired” Gene Paul and Ace was signatories if one of them left (Ace) the contract would be null and voided Ace quitting was kept quiet he agreed to do the European promotional tour and he did not play a note on Creatures
Yet Paul makes out he went to Ace's house and pleaded with him to stay in the band. Not because he cared about Ace, not because he thought of him as a friend but ONLY because Paul wanted to dupe Polygram/Mercury records into handing over the contractual millions of dollars. What a guy!
@sandycis2 to con Mercury/Polydor out of the multimillion dollar record deal that had a clause in stating at least 3 original members must be in the band.
Taken me almost 40 years since first hearing it and 35-37 since last playing it to realize there were some decent tunes that I passed over when younger. Atleast one tune that I used to like sounds awfully cheesy now. On Unmasked, I like almost all of Ace's tunes and a mix of the others, but years ago I felt THAT was their weakest if ignoring Solo Albums and even Dynasty is still tough to decide on. Lovegun the tune is self explanatory and the album is pretty focus on the phallus and the load. Before that and Creatures through Animalize were serious about the music though, and less confused, Asylum sounded better in the 80s. Ultimately, I went out of my way and forfeited some of my other albums and shirts to acquire The Elder on vinyl. I want to say it was a heavier Vinyl album. I could be wrong, originally played it on what is still a decent pieced together system from different quality components, but back in the day that sound was intense. I think there is still the reel to reel, but I doubt those tapes are playable anymore, especially the ones in the parents garage. Didn't realize my aunt listened to so many great bands and musicians. She must've been a bit of a partier when I was younger and she was still in High School in the middle or later 70s. I can't figure out anyone else to have gotten reel to reel with the same first name. Her 1st husband was a bit of a mad man, musician, but a bad scene. Music can be great at times. Ok, I was paragraph person here, no one needs to write one unless I'm missing something in this paragraph and a half.
At the time, I liked it better than Dynasty and Unmasked, for sure. I probably like Dynasty a little more now, but Music from 'The Elder' is still a great record.
So, WAS it Anton Fig then? Whom WAS driving Ace Freley's Porsche and totaled it , I am assuming......(From the BOTH of them in that pic)....Wow, judging by what WAS left of that car, I'd say they were REAL fortunate, IF that was the story......I am just "figuring" as such, at this point, mind you.....Thx for the video
The Elder was and is a fantastic album .... however... at the time it came out the pop music scene was changing. KISS in the late 70s and early 80s became totally 'pop' oriented.... disco/Unmasked and soft pop rock/Unmasked. 1980 saw the rise of the New Romantic pop movement... Duran Duran, Adam Ant and Spandau Ballet etc.... coming close behind was a new era of Heavy Rock and Metal with Iron Maiden, Twisted Sister, Quiet Riot, Def Leppard etc. .... KISS I think were at a nexus point... 'are we a pop band?' 'We've been a pop band?' 'Are we a rock band?' 'We've been a rock band'.... 'Is there something else we can do that we haven't done and should do?' I think the ambivalent time in music was a conduit to birth The Elder..... it would never had been recorded other than for 'the times' allowing it to happen. KISS very quickly found new energy with new impetus from a rising 80s Metal scene that would see them back in demand for what they do best.... loud and aggressive rock. With new guitar players like Vinnie, John and Bruce they were on a level playing field with the new shred oriented Metal scene. Not to challenge directly what Paul and Gene have always said about the band 'we do what we want, we don't follow trends we set them'..... KISS was, according to them made in the mould of the Beatles.... KISS was no different to any other band... it had its influences... and when it became successful... it had its pressures to stay that way..... which leads to compromise and outside influence. After the success of the reunion tour it was THEN they realised..... we were at our best when we were in control of what we were doing.... and most importantly.... wore their makeup and costumes with a HUGE light up KISS logo behind the drums.... that was KISS !
Paul and gene said creatures and revenge are two of their most satisfying and strongest records and I agree with that. funny thing is they both barely went gold.
@@_vixen_4504 motley Crue had some good solid songs but to me they were or at least started off as a kiss rip-off complete with makeup shoulder pads platform boots even Mick Mars was spitting blood early on.
Imo, Kiss should have released a double studio LP with songs from side 4 of alive 2 and the best solo LP songs and call it Dynasty. That would have been following Zep and Floyd etc,
wow, Eric sounds just like Paul. I guess Gene and Paul were happy to have another NYer in the band. Peter was also but well, he was gone so now they need another NYer to fill his shoes. KISS kind of died off when hard rock died off (basically the 90s). They started to make tons of $ again as a "classic rock" show that your mom went to but now she's bringing little Tammy to see. Bunch of cruise ship gigs.
i used to be a really hardcore KISS defender. really was. but history has proven that for many many albums , starting in 1979, KISS started chasing trends instead of setting them. they became the followers instead of the leaders since 1979, they only put out 3 or so really good albums and a bunch of weird, not good, or misguided albums. Creatures , Lick it Up, and Revenge were the last really good KISS albums. to them it became more important about chasing money (and girls for Gene) than the actual music. I'm sure they had to evolve, but animalize, asylum, crazy nights and hot in the shade were all cash grabs trying to imitate what was going on at the time . anything after revenge is awful. carnival of souls is good musically, but again, its KISS trying to capitalize on the grunge movement. Carnival should've been Revenge Part 2, and Pyscho Circus should've been Love Gun Part 2 on Steroids.
How could Ace, and the rest of the band, fail to invest in Apple and/or Microsoft stock back in the 70's? Ace was always into computers before people knew what computers were and they all had more money than they knew what to do with it back then. They'd all be billionaires today...lol
Ace I know they did you wrong in that album but you know what you're better off without kiss you know why because the music you've done away from them including your 10,000 volts album your solo material kicks way more ass than anything kisses released after you and Peter Criss were gone
In creative ways, Ace was better off. But professionally he was lost without them. It took years to launch a solo album. Then he was consumed by drugs (check out what Trunk has to say about making Ace's second album). Trouble Walkin was excellent, almost as good as his Kiss solo album, but after that he musically disappeared for 20 years (doing only small concerts, no albums). Thankfully Ace got sober because he's been very productive over the past 15 years or so, and good stuff imo. But really, it's all too late for big success because the industry has changed so much.
Basically, unauthorized information that isn't entirely true, there is no mention of Ace's alcohol abuse at the time or that he lost his house in Connecticut in 1990, the one with the famous underground studio.
I like some of what KISS did in their heyday, never got into them after i discovered Sabbath and Zeppelin. Always thought they were always cheesy and trying to be a marketing tool for Gene and Paul.
Kiss lost alit of money sfter ace left. They had a keyman clause were at keast 3 appear on a album to keep the big money. Its why hes on the cover of creatures
Ace's "instinct" left him. He overestimated his solo record and left the band. In No Regrets he regretted that he didn't listen to his attorney. Everyone in Europe knew the huge hit "New York Groove" by the band HELLO. But Ace thought it was his creativity? What a miscalculation.
I was a kiss fan right from the beginning of 74 and in my opinion their last truly great album was rock and roll over in 77 everything after that was pretty mediocre. Love gun and dynasty had a couple good tracks on it, and the stuff they did in the 80s was pure shit. Including creatures of the night.
Come on brother. Don't do that "Part 1, Part 2, Part 8, etc." bullshit. Make the video and move on. Don't continue it. Nobody wants to have to look for the next part or wants to wait for it. Honestly, as soon as I saw that this is a part 1, I shut it off. If I'm gonna invest the time to watch it, I want to feel satisfied by the end of it or it's just a waste of time. I know I'm not the only person that feels this way.
Growing up I was a huge Kiss Fan, what killed Kiss for me was buying Paul Stanley's solo album and Unmasked. Had I instead purchased Aces solo album and Dynasty, I probably would have remained a rabid fan. Animalize, was great, everything after that wad shit. I do enjoy Sonic Boom but it's canned.
❤you guys should've been listening to yourselves. Eric Carr was awesome. I think you and Gene was scared. You was loosing Ace. And you two didn't know what the band was going to be. Two people always putting down the other two guys. All is history know.
The whole band was a cluster fuck... They all led to their own failures. At least Ace and Peter aren't conning fools. Kiss hasn't been worth a shit after lick it up.
Ace & Peter left because they got tired of Gene & Paul's ego's and treated like employees instead of members of the band after they left it went down hill from there. Gene & Paul are very mediocre players at best there more ego than anything else another reason so many have come and gone.
RIP Eric Carr
Eric took it to a different level. But I still say Peter Criss was a top 20 drummer
@@Doug-b1ethere wasn’t even 20 drummers in kiss though
@@humanactivated1017 duhhh...top 20 drummer in rock n roll period! Lol 😂 Einstein! 😂
@@Doug-b1ei think the comment may have been a joke on the kiss revolving door of members and contributors...
@@Doug-b1e
Just like Ace had a unique style, nobody played the drums like Peter before or after
and that chemistry between Gene; Paul, Ace & Peter is what made the original "KISS" so great.
Cool series this is going to be. I was a KISS fan/supporter from the mid 70's through the late 80s. My first KISS concert was the Creatures tour in Irvine California. I was there for all the ups and downs of the band and their ever changing sound. I remember getting COTN the day it was released and listening and thinking "WOW, this IS F'n HEAVY". Part one was great, looking forward to the rest. Bravo man. PS RIP Eric Carr, Bill Aucoin
Ace was always the only real rock star in Kiss, just sad Paul and Gene were always pushing their wacky ideas.
@@leokimvideo stop it with a real Rockstar s*** Ace was lazy he was a drug addict and alcoholic and that meant more to him then kiss and their fans.
@@billycain9890 Ace & Peter were the rockers, Gene & Paul were (and still are) the money-grubbers. That's reality...deal with it 🖕
@@billycain9890yeah exactly , he was a typical seventies rock star .
@@billycain9890 Call Ace whatever you like , but he had the instinct to warn Gene and Paul that Elder was utter rubbish. They ignored him and destroyed Kiss in the process , they never recovered as a group and the music never recovered .
@@parabot2 okay Ace fanboy creatures of the night lick it up and revenge are all great albums said by the fans. An ace had nothing to do with them. And speaking of instinct he should have had an instinct that told himself straighten up be a professional and stay in a band if he had Tommy Thayer's work ethic he would have never left. But hey you keep telling yourself so important if you say it enough you might believe it
Damn these videos are so entertaining, love your narration style my dude
He sounds like a robot? ☹️
Are there any Dave Meniketti interviews. Dave IMO is sadly one of THE most underrated and under talked about dudes. I would love to hear some Y&T stories from back in the day
"Mean Streak" 'Yeah!!!
It’s always interesting to hear how members left a band and the reason why is never the same.
Almost like a marriage break-up, eh?
yea like all humans lol they feel the need air the dirty laundry its their band keep it to yourself one interview ace takes blame next ace blames band who cares i like kiss for entertainment not their opinions etc
Creatures of the Night is a pure Rock N Roll Masterpiece. PLAY LOUD
wouldnt call it a masterpiece. Good album tho.
Masterpiece?
Definite masterpiece of 80's KISS.
@@MetalSalvation Lick it Up is better to me.
@@Geraldo-ro9rc The sound on Lick It Up is slightly nicer, but the songs aren't nearly as good though in my opinion.
Ace deserves a lot more credit than he gets for kiss
Ace deserved the Attention he got ! He was an important Member ! I became a Fan because of Ace ! He‘s my favorite Member and that never changed to this Day 👍
I also love The Elder !
The Elder sucked! It is Not KISS! Its weird!
why ? it’s Gene ; Paul ; Ace & Eric !?!? The Oath ; Dark Light ; Mr. Blackwell ; I ; Escape from the Island or Only You is definitely KISS ! And Gene used orchestra on his Solo Record before that - it’s nothing new (to me) ! I love it ! Sorry not agree !
I love this channel!!!!
Ace was right. 🎸 One or two songs is one thing , but 3 albums straight with a new directions is a lot on a band. Metal and didn't go away. .. Maiden and Priest were rising. Kiss is best when it's sexy and heavy and despite the 💵🏦 they know all about that!;🍸
yep, people baggin' on Ace in the comments, but his instincts were correct. gene and paul dismissed him cuz he was an alk, completely disregarding his contributions. gene and paul moved away from what made Kiss successful, the drunk was the only sober one.
@@independenceltd. You are correct. Ace hung out with the wrong people as well. And he admits that he would work when he felt like. I think they all could have taken a breath and a break after the Porsche accident. It's really too bad they weren't as hard on Ace to stay cool. It's a wonder he wasn't arrested or dead. He shot himself with a UZI. !
The one thing that doesn't ever say it that yes, Ace Frehley would succeed but that's because The Spacemen was famous and succeeded first. 👍🎸
@@barlowanthony6717 heavy ? Are you high ? More like dog shit
Maybe tbey should've listened to Ace who was the only member writing good songs which stand out on his 78' solo album and his contributions on Dynasty & Unmasked which were good songs but I think they should've droped the poppy production and with the rite producer been made heavier and they should've tried adding distortion giving tbe songs a harder crunch punch sound especially when you consider the British invasion and what other groups like Ozzy, Judas Priest & Iron Maiden to bame a few were doing.
Thanks again Full In Bloom. Love these videos. Gene and Paul should have never parted ways with Bill Aucoin. I read somewhere he picked up a nasty coke habit during the height of Kiss fame but he still had their best interest at heart.
Bill did not have their best interest at heart. Bill had his own interests and was all about Bill with his coke and sexual deviancy addictions.
@@tedfordhyde Thank you for the info. Where can I find tht info at to read?
@brianmcghee3597 If you read or listen to the audio of Paul's book, he tells some inside info about Bill. Paul is fairly kind about Bill and gives him a pass on a lot of things, but it's there to see. He was a sick man.
ACE FOREVER !!!
@@willchew4040 Ack! I'm a plumber!
@@willchew4040 he sucks. Worse than mattallica lead guitarist. Don't know his name cause he sucks
I grew up on KISS in the 70's. Saw them in Detroit in Jan 78'. Then saw them again in Saginaw MI early 84. Once again in Raleigh NC in July 2012. Amazing band. They will always be my favorite. Thanks for posting this, I can't wait for part 2
@@pedraw ah ha ha ha ha ha. Crap music
@@sabbster1157 everyone is entitled to an opinion and you know what they say about those.
@@sabbster1157
And you're interested in watching KISS because....?
It shows how much you like their music. Guilty pleasure😂
Ace, maybe if you showed up for the recordings
Love hearing behind rhe scenes of KISS! Eye opening!
I Love It Loud. Killer track and music video.
It's odd to hear how much trouble there was getting this album done. It's a really strong album, and maybe my favorite KISS album overall.
Many thanks Full In Bloom, the metal show that sounds like Nirvana
Great Job!!!!
Bro, your videos/interviews are the fkn best 🤘🤘!!!!!
I’ve missed your content! So good!!
Their last truly great album.
Amazing work...thank you!
Too bad being in makeup in 1982 was not cool, we missed out on a killer album at the time. I Love It Loud is an amazing song!
That and "Domino" are my favorites. They are best when Gene is behind the mic.
I was one of those KISS freaks as a kid, supporting them vehemently when people would put them down. Their Dynasty tour was my first show. Though the passion stayed for a while afterward, by the time Creatures came out, I couldn't have cared less about them anymore. I reconnected with them as a teenager, and loved them, but had to admit they weren't as cool as Judas Priest or Iron Maiden at the time. It was like I was hanging on to a piece of my childhood by remaining a KISS fan. I never listen to those 80's albums anymore.
Kiss was a taste of the seventies … The 80s begged for something new , different
Love this Kiss episode
They should’ve listened to Ace and kept playing rock ‘n’ roll.
Great Work .. Primo ..
I won't hesitate to admit I loved every single Kiss album with very few reservations. But everyone knew that the solo albums were 'off' (two were good, two were 'wtf?'), and disco was a no-go. Only die hards were still listening when Unmasked came out and even less when Music From The Elder came out. I was the only person I knew who still cared about Kiss at that point. Creatures of the Night was an amazing tour de force of heavy hitting sound. It was Kiss entering the ring with all the new British bands (NWOBHM). But again, few bothered to give Kiss another shot. It wasn't until they took off the makeup and released Lick It Up that people started paying attention again.
If you listen carefully to this vid, you might notice that bandmembers often contradict themselves. They struggle between the truth and maintaining the band's image. Notice how Paul lays the blame for Elder on others...but people there at the time all agree--and this is true for all albums from 1978-1981--that Paul and Gene wanted to make what they made. Paul wanted to reach a new audience, pop radio, and wanted to impress their critics (Elder). Paul hides his own participation behind words like "going astray" and all that....but that's only because it didn't sell. Had they sold well, Paul would be saying how great and important the changes were, how the band had outgrown its limited early sound, etc etc. I'll be kind to Paul and say that whatever he's saying is true at the moment he says it, but don't expect it to necessarily be true later.
Paul Lennon and Gene McCartney, the GlimmerStien Twins didn’t want to share those royalties. Fun fact: Paul and Gene invented copper wire fighting over a penny someone threw on stage….🤣😂🤷🏼♂️
Whatever. Contrary to your thinking, even musicians are in it for the money. All of them. If you think they'd do it for free, then I hope you enjoy your lone island of thinking that. Ace Frehley has no one to blame but himself for being an ignorant alcoholic and drug addict. It cost him dearly and he deserved all of it.
@@martincarnahan381 lol actually I do live on an island, and have ever since walking away from the greed of the industry in 1995…..
@@Malama_Ki But somehow you left after you made your money. You should be commended for your sacrifice. LOL.
@@martincarnahan381 his substance abuse doesent change the fact that Paul and Gene are two greedy assholes
@@martincarnahan381 all our money was turned into more equipment, studio time, merch, etc.. Yeah, we paid the bills and lived a crazy life, but ultimately the direction of the industry just soured me. I turned my drumsticks into a surfboard and now I play slide blues on a dobro and harmonica in the peace of my hard earned sanctum of east Hawaii. The point was Gene and Paul were notoriously greedy. Ask Minnie Vincent….
I've seen a lot of videos on KISS. This is a good one. Most of it I've heard before but then there is some perspective that I haven't. Bill Aucoin made KISS, no doubt. While they had some success without him, I think not having him around was a mistake. So much of what he started for them is still in play today and makes them millions upon millions annually. I don't think people realize how hard it is to become a success in music. I think Bill "sold his soul" not for himself but to make KISS famous. That's how much he believed in these guys, especially Gene and Paul.
Creatures is my favorite studio album, the songs are great and the mixing is fantastic with the drums right in your face.
Love your narrative style man, you should be lending your voice to media other than just YT.
The Elder
Killers
And
Creatures...
Is the most interesting era in the KISS story...
Creatures is a great album. It just came out about 10 months too soon.. Motley Crue's Shout at the devil started that new era of music. If Creatures came out around the 4th qtr of 83 it would have been extremely successful...
You have to be kidding me with that comment...
No I am not
11:57 no, no, NO! not "parting ways". That's when both parties decide to split. Paul meant to say FIRE Bill Acoin. Gene and Paul conspired to fire him during their little talk and so they did.
The Elder was my Kiss "WTF are you doing?!" moment. That's when I started tuning them out.
I dont blame you! Stupid decision!
On the Creatures tour the ticket sales here in Providence were so poor under 2,000 for a 12,000 seat arena that promoter Frank J Russo had to cancel the show but had anyone with a ticket and wanted to see them in Worcester which is right down the road from Providence , show up at the Civic Center and bussed to the Worcester show , that Creatures Tour for whatever reason were playing shows to near empty arenas , always liked the album they were bouncing around and experimenting with all kinds of music back then with The Elder and Dynasty it’s like they were trying to find their identity . I loathed Dynasty and The Elder when they came out but love both of those albums now they are certainly different and not for everyone though for sure , on a side note Providence’s own Vini Poncia produced Dynasty and co wrote I Was Made For Loving You and Sure Know Something and also sang back up and played keyboards , I’ve come to expect great Full In Bloom videos and got one !
Worcester is 40 mins from Providence, not just up the road.
@@smileprettymusic You’re kidding me , two arenas less than a half hour apart , in that context yes right down the road c’mon now 🤦🏼
Frank j russo awesome. He brought so many good shows to the providence civic center. And I was lucky enough to have seen kiss at the providence civic center on kiss alive 2 tour.Once kiss lost an original member that real magic they once had was gone and the legion of original fans and kiss army was gone with it.But the memories of concerts at the providence civic center hold some cherished memories. 🤘🤘🤘🤘
@@ronsilvia8127 Awesome Kiss Alive II my favorite album by them ! Well said the Providence Civic Center was the place to be back then so many concerts and great times for sure 👍🏻
I like how Ace thought that having a HIT (written by Russ Ballard) who had been released before, somehow made him more creative than the other guys. His other hit song In The Night was also a previously released song written by again Russ Ballard. And No Ace solo album, once he left the band, was as big as the KISS albums. I really liked Frehley's Comet albums...but not as much as the KISS stuff.
Frehley's Comet was very cool! Rock Soldiers 👍!
Funny how the Elder was so great yet everyone regretted making it.
Because it didn’t even go gold. That was their regret.
I love the Elder,it´s so different.
They should have listened to Ace and not done the Elder.
@@michaeldalton8374 Probably didn't help that the studio screwed with the song order and killed the flow of the concept.
Awful album. Right up there with Van Halen III
Just about every kiss fan has creatures of the night in their top five favorite and Best Kiss albums and it has an argument to be their best ever.
Lick it Up is better imo
Love gun and creatures are my two favs, and the creatures song is my all time fav
Agreed
Thank u
Paul should have listened to himself because he’s never wrong. Just ask him!
Seeing this, I can say R.I.P. Eric Carr. But I'm getting ahead of myself. R.I.P. KISS.
Great work❤
They were long overdue for their own creative space! Tone Raven-We Are The Black Things(Hollywood CA!) Kiss is the beginning.
Ace's solo on darklight off the Elder is amazing.
They lied about one thing the contract they signed in 1980 since Peter was “fired” Gene Paul and Ace was signatories if one of them left (Ace) the contract would be null and voided Ace quitting was kept quiet he agreed to do the European promotional tour and he did not play a note on Creatures
Yet Paul makes out he went to Ace's house and pleaded with him to stay in the band. Not because he cared about Ace, not because he thought of him as a friend but ONLY because Paul wanted to dupe Polygram/Mercury records into handing over the contractual millions of dollars.
What a guy!
@@1968spikeyThats probably true!
Why did they use his face on the cover?
@sandycis2 to con Mercury/Polydor out of the multimillion dollar record deal that had a clause in stating at least 3 original members must be in the band.
Love the The Elder
The band may have been fractured in 82 but Creatures is bad ASS‼️✨🎶👍
Ace you lost millions all by yourself
He’s a trump loser
I feel bad for Ace!
Who was the ftmriend driving Ace's Porsche during that accident? Anton Fig?
To me they ceased to exist after Love Gun ..........then came creatures of the night . Great album
Exactly 100%
Loved 'The Elder'!!!
Agreed🤘
Yep!
It was incredible , the Elder shaped my personality , I still wear a purple sweat band like Paul .
Taken me almost 40 years since first hearing it and 35-37 since last playing it to realize there were some decent tunes that I passed over when younger. Atleast one tune that I used to like sounds awfully cheesy now. On Unmasked, I like almost all of Ace's tunes and a mix of the others, but years ago I felt THAT was their weakest if ignoring Solo Albums and even Dynasty is still tough to decide on. Lovegun the tune is self explanatory and the album is pretty focus on the phallus and the load. Before that and Creatures through Animalize were serious about the music though, and less confused, Asylum sounded better in the 80s.
Ultimately, I went out of my way and forfeited some of my other albums and shirts to acquire The Elder on vinyl. I want to say it was a heavier Vinyl album. I could be wrong, originally played it on what is still a decent pieced together system from different quality components, but back in the day that sound was intense. I think there is still the reel to reel, but I doubt those tapes are playable anymore, especially the ones in the parents garage. Didn't realize my aunt listened to so many great bands and musicians. She must've been a bit of a partier when I was younger and she was still in High School in the middle or later 70s. I can't figure out anyone else to have gotten reel to reel with the same first name. Her 1st husband was a bit of a mad man, musician, but a bad scene. Music can be great at times. Ok, I was paragraph person here, no one needs to write one unless I'm missing something in this paragraph and a half.
At the time, I liked it better than Dynasty and Unmasked, for sure. I probably like Dynasty a little more now, but Music from 'The Elder' is still a great record.
So, WAS it Anton Fig then? Whom WAS driving Ace Freley's Porsche and totaled it , I am assuming......(From the BOTH of them in that pic)....Wow, judging by what WAS left of that car, I'd say they were REAL fortunate, IF that was the story......I am just "figuring" as such, at this point, mind you.....Thx for the video
The Elder was and is a fantastic album .... however... at the time it came out the pop music scene was changing. KISS in the late 70s and early 80s became totally 'pop' oriented.... disco/Unmasked and soft pop rock/Unmasked. 1980 saw the rise of the New Romantic pop movement... Duran Duran, Adam Ant and Spandau Ballet etc.... coming close behind was a new era of Heavy Rock and Metal with Iron Maiden, Twisted Sister, Quiet Riot, Def Leppard etc. .... KISS I think were at a nexus point... 'are we a pop band?' 'We've been a pop band?' 'Are we a rock band?' 'We've been a rock band'.... 'Is there something else we can do that we haven't done and should do?' I think the ambivalent time in music was a conduit to birth The Elder..... it would never had been recorded other than for 'the times' allowing it to happen. KISS very quickly found new energy with new impetus from a rising 80s Metal scene that would see them back in demand for what they do best.... loud and aggressive rock. With new guitar players like Vinnie, John and Bruce they were on a level playing field with the new shred oriented Metal scene.
Not to challenge directly what Paul and Gene have always said about the band 'we do what we want, we don't follow trends we set them'..... KISS was, according to them made in the mould of the Beatles.... KISS was no different to any other band... it had its influences... and when it became successful... it had its pressures to stay that way..... which leads to compromise and outside influence. After the success of the reunion tour it was THEN they realised..... we were at our best when we were in control of what we were doing.... and most importantly.... wore their makeup and costumes with a HUGE light up KISS logo behind the drums.... that was KISS !
well done!
Hey, world without heros is a great song, nuff said
Creatures was the best sound production for KISS.
THE ELDER is still one of my favorite albums of all time. Idgaf what anyone says
Paul and gene said creatures and revenge are two of their most satisfying and strongest records and I agree with that. funny thing is they both barely went gold.
@@billycain9890 yeah, there was a lot of other bands people gravitated to when kiss went off course
@@barlowanthony6717Mötley Crüe being one of them.
@@_vixen_4504 motley Crue had some good solid songs but to me they were or at least started off as a kiss rip-off complete with makeup shoulder pads platform boots even Mick Mars was spitting blood early on.
@@billycain9890 Well Nikki Sixx was a big Kiss fan, however, their sound is completely different from kiss. Both are great bands though.
Imo, Kiss should have released a double studio LP with songs from side 4 of alive 2 and the best solo LP songs and call it Dynasty. That would have been following Zep and Floyd etc,
wow, Eric sounds just like Paul. I guess Gene and Paul were happy to have another NYer in the band. Peter was also but well, he was gone so now they need another NYer to fill his shoes. KISS kind of died off when hard rock died off (basically the 90s). They started to make tons of $ again as a "classic rock" show that your mom went to but now she's bringing little Tammy to see. Bunch of cruise ship gigs.
Eric was Awesome!!
i used to be a really hardcore KISS defender. really was. but history has proven that for many many albums , starting in 1979, KISS started chasing trends instead of setting them. they became the followers instead of the leaders since 1979, they only put out 3 or so really good albums and a bunch of weird, not good, or misguided albums. Creatures , Lick it Up, and Revenge were the last really good KISS albums. to them it became more important about chasing money (and girls for Gene) than the actual music. I'm sure they had to evolve, but animalize, asylum, crazy nights and hot in the shade were all cash grabs trying to imitate what was going on at the time . anything after revenge is awful. carnival of souls is good musically, but again, its KISS trying to capitalize on the grunge movement. Carnival should've been Revenge Part 2, and Pyscho Circus should've been Love Gun Part 2 on Steroids.
How could Ace, and the rest of the band, fail to invest in Apple and/or Microsoft stock back in the 70's? Ace was always into computers before people knew what computers were and they all had more money than they knew what to do with it back then. They'd all be billionaires today...lol
Especially since he sung 2000 man , That song amazes me to this very day, The song nailed the era of 2000
@@stevew6910 it was written by Jagger/Richards
Because rock guys aren't smart investors and economists. Lucky for Ace he's the only one that could have a successful solo career outside of the band.
@@independenceltd. Yea I know,,, Think they wrote it in 1968... That is what blows my mind,
Ace I know they did you wrong in that album but you know what you're better off without kiss you know why because the music you've done away from them including your 10,000 volts album your solo material kicks way more ass than anything kisses released after you and Peter Criss were gone
In creative ways, Ace was better off. But professionally he was lost without them. It took years to launch a solo album. Then he was consumed by drugs (check out what Trunk has to say about making Ace's second album). Trouble Walkin was excellent, almost as good as his Kiss solo album, but after that he musically disappeared for 20 years (doing only small concerts, no albums). Thankfully Ace got sober because he's been very productive over the past 15 years or so, and good stuff imo. But really, it's all too late for big success because the industry has changed so much.
Basically, unauthorized information that isn't entirely true, there is no mention of Ace's alcohol abuse at the time or that he lost his house in Connecticut in 1990, the one with the famous
underground studio.
Ace was his own worst enemy.
No doubt
Have you even seen RUclips in the last 5 years??!! Ace FREhley!
Yes Ace was his worst enemy but at least he doesn't lip syncing like Paul Stanley did on end of the road tour 😅
Rather than tell the truth I hid it from everyone that I was a drug addict and alcoholic !!! Who got in a car accident Good Job Ace
I like some of what KISS did in their heyday, never got into them after i discovered Sabbath and Zeppelin. Always thought they were always cheesy and trying to be a marketing tool for Gene and Paul.
Ace did the right thing by leaving he had to find his own place but to me there's only one true kiss that's Ace an Peter and Paul and gene
KISS was finished by 1978
Kiss lost alit of money sfter ace left. They had a keyman clause were at keast 3 appear on a album to keep the big money. Its why hes on the cover of creatures
Ace's "instinct" left him.
He overestimated his solo record and left the band.
In No Regrets he regretted that he didn't listen to his attorney.
Everyone in Europe knew the huge hit "New York Groove" by the band HELLO.
But Ace thought it was his creativity?
What a miscalculation.
RIP 😢 🙏 🪦 😌 ☹️ 😔 😢 Eric Carr 0:31
the problem was like guns and roses gene and Paul were the problem for kiss as Axl rose was the problem with his band
RIP Peter Criss
I didn’t know about The Psych stealing money
Jesse Hilsen
Ace didn't write NY Grove
Their one mistake with Creatures was not losing the makeup.
I was a kiss fan right from the beginning of 74 and in my opinion their last truly great album was rock and roll over in 77 everything after that was pretty mediocre. Love gun and dynasty had a couple good tracks on it, and the stuff they did in the 80s was pure shit. Including creatures of the night.
Paul's psychiatrist? There's an interesting side of the story I haven't heard yet. How many of those has he had?
Paul explaining alot of these things in his book.
Jesse Hilsen
Ace's friend who crashed the car happened to be named Jack Daniels.
Thats my freind too
Come on brother. Don't do that "Part 1, Part 2, Part 8, etc." bullshit. Make the video and move on. Don't continue it. Nobody wants to have to look for the next part or wants to wait for it. Honestly, as soon as I saw that this is a part 1, I shut it off. If I'm gonna invest the time to watch it, I want to feel satisfied by the end of it or it's just a waste of time. I know I'm not the only person that feels this way.
Growing up I was a huge Kiss Fan, what killed Kiss for me was buying Paul Stanley's solo album and Unmasked. Had I instead purchased Aces solo album and Dynasty, I probably would have remained a rabid fan. Animalize, was great, everything after that wad shit. I do enjoy Sonic Boom but it's canned.
Hard ass RnR? Thank God ,GnR didn't let Paul produce Appetite.
Gene always with the victim mentality. Meanwhile those two were filthy Rich musicians.
Really sh…y that Eric Carr was never made a full time member 😡
So sad
gene simmons ego taller than the empire state building
❤you guys should've been listening to yourselves. Eric Carr was awesome. I think you and Gene was scared. You was loosing Ace. And you two didn't know what the band was going to be. Two people always putting down the other two guys. All is history know.
ace had the most talent but the worst work ethic
Hopefully Ace realizes deep down, that he's at least 90% responsible for his situation with KISS.
90? That's being kind... I loved Ace and he and Paul were why I got into playing guitar. But he's his own worst enemy...
The whole band was a cluster fuck... They all led to their own failures. At least Ace and Peter aren't conning fools. Kiss hasn't been worth a shit after lick it up.
I cannot stand Gene Simmons 🤮💩. If it aint broke don't try and fix it. You just ride the wave 💯✌️
Ace & Peter left because they got tired of Gene & Paul's ego's and treated like employees instead of members of the band after they left it went down hill from there. Gene & Paul are very mediocre players at best there more ego than anything else another reason so many have come and gone.
Gene is a decent bass player.
Peter was fired, because he startet to sabotage shows during the Dynasty tour. One evening he couldn`t play and his drum tech jumped in for him.
KISS COULDN'T win a trick!
Money running out signals maybe you should get back to doing what got you there in the first place. Smh.😅
Ace was completely checked out. Continue to blame others for the terrible condition he was in.