Omg those double third trills are not easy to do and take lots of practice, yet how quickly she can fly up and down the keyboard like shes just breathing. I am jealous Valentina, and I love everything you put on here!
llama 007 I still believe 06 is still harder than 11. I believe it is more technically demanding. I’ve spent roughly 2 years on the piece now and I’m still struggling to get the finger independence and strength to play it at its intended speed. No 11 I managed to learn at speed over the course of about a year. I can for certain day that no 11 is still a very difficult. But no 06 is just far more difficult in terms of technicality. I can play no 11 at speed and can execute it quite well imo. No 06 is a completely different story for me.
I'm guessing this could be one of Chopin's most "show-offy" etudes. Well when you start hearing the "thirds", automatically you know it's difficult! Very good for impressing audiences, I guess.
@@alexismandelias Not "just" arpeggios, wide spread arpeggios that get progressively more difficult... many pianists including Horowitz felt that Op 10 No 1 was the most difficult of all etudes
PrimeArtOnline - Piano Covers yea lol i though it were just arpeggios, then met those 9th arpeggios and prefered playong ballade n1 which makes no sense, but i’m at 90% so thats cool
Chopin heard this in his dreams! In his dreams! I wish I could say my own dreams were as amazing as this! Masterful playing by a beautiful soul. Flawless!
0:15 is a very unusual fingering for descending G# minor thirds. But trying it on the piano, it works perfectly after a few tries. For me personally, it solves every issue I've had on this part of the etude, as I just hate the 1-1 fingering for thirds.
Which fingering is that? I can't really tell... I use 24,13,35,24,13,12 as suggested on the henle edition. I couldn't really find a better one but it's still tricky
@@pianoplaynight Her fingering seems to be 35, 24, 13, (repeat 4x), 12, then back to 35, 24, 13, ending on 25. I found it very unusual, but it does seem to work; it just takes some time getting used to.
Is she even playing the descending thirds in that section properly? To me it doesn't sound right. She plays a note then a third and then a note and then a third and so forth. It doesn't have the clarity of the later descending thirds in the etude.
Yishai Zuriel i tried to play the op 10 no 4 in c sharp minor once but i obviously failed it.than i fell in love with the op 10 no 9 in f minor,it was technically a way more easier than the other one.so if you wanna play one i reccomend you to play op 10 no 9 and op 25 no 7 in c sharp minor!!
Guys pro tip, practice thirds in chromatic scales abt 20 mins per day. I did that now after a month I can play them almost perfectly. Remember to practice 3-4-5 chromatic alone.
You have to be a pianist to fully appreciate how hard this particular etude is to play on just a technical level. Harder still is to play it with the requisite ease and control, as Valentina does, that turns this "study" into pure music.
As a pianist i think that this etude isn't that bad to play but she plays it too fast and some parts are so undistinct it's a bit cheating. It's a common tactic to play above speed to mask deficiencies. Many adept pianists do this like Argerich.
Fantastic! A superior piano lesson to watch the fingerwork (however very few in the world can expect to attain that level of relaxation). Also incredibly beatiful work with pedal and harmonies.
I'm learning how to play this song in my High School band class. It is absolute torture, but I'm getting there. I love Chopin's etudes, especially this one, and Valentina plays it wonderfully. :-)
To those who can actually play this - tips on getting the thirds to stay together? Sometimes on the chromatic scales, my upper and lower voices seem to separate slightly.
practice slowly... a lot. this is not the most difficult of the etudes but it's not the easiest either. it's very beneficial however. practice the descending and ascending chromatic thirds scales and stay faithful to the fingerings. use chopin's original fingerings or even godowsky's, they're very similar but they're the most comfortable and easiest to use. play the right hand alone for the whole piece and make sure to play deeply into the keybed making solid contact. it may take a while but the end result after practicing for a week or two will be amazing. best of luck.
LongDriveChamp03 Uh, I already have it to the point where I can play the whole thing from memory at tempo - it's just specific accuracy I have issue with.
People often over-rely on the fingers to do all the work. Double-thirds are always played like chords, which means there is a small forearm rotation towards the thumb for each pair. Every double third (in the right hand) is played to the left, NOT alternating left and right like a normal trill. On RUclips, search "Edna Golandsky double-thirds." She explains and demonstrates this very well!
To be honest the 3ds come naturally with practice. I am learning this piece and I am 90% done. The 3rds are the easiest part of the piece to be be honest. Some parts have awkward fingering and require good pinky strength. I’ve been learning this for about a month. Just practice really really slow.
@musicfanBRA But that's indeed the amazing part. She seems like she's having a ball playing these incredibly difficult pieces of music. Hell, she even cranks out quirky smiles on op 10 no 8!! As if it was truly child's play. A-freakin-mazing.
@cbfoto - Sure enough some artists are exceptionally blessed with talent... What charms me most in Valentina is the obvious pleasure she has when she plays. You just dont feel any effort. It's like a magician taking a rabbit out of a hat while smiling and dancing....
Valentina, you have a gift that is seems almost supernatural. Your playing has an ease that it seems just like breathing . I have been playing the piano for 40 years, have a graduate degree in piano from a major university, have spent years practicing like a slave, and still cannot play with a fraction of the ease and naturalness that you possess. I have worked on some of the Chopin etudes for 25 years and still struggle. You are truly blessed.
@BjornHegstad no 6 is a triplet speed study. most efficient exercise for triplets are triplet scales and five finger triplet exercises. wasting time if not proficient in these before starting no 6, particularly harmonic minor and diminished sevenths. for no 2., most efficient exercises for 3/4/5 fingers are 5 finger exercises and chromatic scales, eg hanon. naturally weaker fingers should be developed before seriously studying no. 2. no 6 is generally encouraged before no 2.
She is just naturally gifted, she never studied music or the piano actually, she had strong long limb fingers from her poker dealing days at the age of one and could play any instrument blindfold by the age of two. A champion in foil and epee, used to regularly beat Bobby Fischer in chess in blindfold blitz games. She can also do better than the original Mona Lisa reproductions painted by foot in under 5 minutes. Her favorite instrument is the 156 note Fazioli piano that she can actually lift with one hand.
She is simply not playing all the notes, e.g., the descending passages in thirds that occur at the top of the second page in the Henle edition. If you want to hear this etude played matchlessly, listen to Josef Lhevinne. Dubravka Tomsic also plays it fabulously, though I'm not sure if she's recorded it (I heard her play it in recital).
@BjornHegstad from experience,25/6 is easier to learn. if you've conquered minor third chromatics, a variety of triplet scales (more the better), and comfortable with diminished sevenths, you'll find 25/6 may look intimidating on the page but will be very intuitive. 25/6 is "harder" in that the tonal shading is more demanding. for 10/2...
+Franz Liszt Idk many pianistes think 10/2 is technically the hardest, but could be easier for ones. The reason is that playing fast and _cleans_ chromatic scales isn't that hard, but all the things change with that side right hand accompaniment, and as I'm practicing it I can tell. But I also struggle with third trills so yeah.
Franz Liszt 25/11 requires way more endurance than 25/6, 11 is probably harder for most. That being said, if you have bad technique, 25/6 is a monster.
When I listen to the piece, I think of a butterfly in the rain. When the music raises in pitch, the butterfly rises. When the lowers in pitch, the butterfly falls, possibly being hit by a raindrop. At the end of the piece the butterfly has a great fall to the ground and stops fluttering. It lays there, peacefully.
I'm glad you play A natural in the thirds of bars 7 & 8. Some editions, like Paderewski's, have A#. Others (Mikuli's, Cortot's...) have A natural... I think the a natural fits and sounds better 'cause the harmony in that passage it's in c#min. And when the thirds go up and the left hand comes with the melody on chords, all editions have an a natural here (bar 9, 4th quaver). What do you tjinhk, Lisitsa?
The trick with this etude is to practice the top note of the third more connected and the lower note of the third more detached. Doing so produces the proper illusion that makes most pianists shy away from it.
I haven't played either of them, but it is my immediate impression that the student who wishes to play this etude well, should first play etude op. 10 no. 2, which trains the 3rd, 4th and 5th finger on the right hand.
@BjornHegstad (cont.) for 10/2, it's actually very awkward for the right hand at moderate/full tempo. it may appear easier perhaps b/c the hands are not jumping, no arpeggios, just block chords in the left and right, and the right is moving up & down chromatically with fingers 3/4/5. but visually the difficulty of the piece is very deceptive. after studying chromatic 3/4/5, take the first four/eight measures to condition your hand. page 2, harder. practice & patience w/ this one.
@VyvienneEaux But y'know what? An etude is a piece to help the player with certain skills. Etude is the french word for study apparently. You're so right though :D I only learned all that like 2 days ago :P I don't think they have meaning right?
@PublicLibraryx Don't worry. I know what an etude is. I've known it since forever. Chopin's etudes, as far as I have learned, are meant to first be learned technically, and then be learned musically. Chopin, it appears, intended these etudes to demonstrate theme and composition, as well as technique.
Omg those double third trills are not easy to do and take lots of practice, yet how quickly she can fly up and down the keyboard like shes just breathing. I am jealous Valentina, and I love everything you put on here!
chromatic thirds actually
No they aren’t chromatic thirds that he’s talking about
very noice
Her piano ensures to sound better.
I like when the camera is on the same level as the keys, so you can watch them go up and down. Stellar pianism.
Matt Whitinger I
0:15 omg, that was sooo smooth
My piano teacher was going through the Etude with me, playing bits of each one. She came to this one and said "number 6 is hell. It's just hell."
Do you some tips for the number 1?
fact
Nothing compared to 11 lol, I’m learning it (11) right now, and it’s the hardest etude I’ve ever tried
llama 007 op10 no11 or op25 no11?
llama 007 I still believe 06 is still harder than 11. I believe it is more technically demanding. I’ve spent roughly 2 years on the piece now and I’m still struggling to get the finger independence and strength to play it at its intended speed. No 11 I managed to learn at speed over the course of about a year. I can for certain day that no 11 is still a very difficult. But no 06 is just far more difficult in terms of technicality. I can play no 11 at speed and can execute it quite well imo. No 06 is a completely different story for me.
I'm guessing this could be one of Chopin's most "show-offy" etudes. Well when you start hearing the "thirds", automatically you know it's difficult! Very good for impressing audiences, I guess.
It was written so Liszt wouldn't change it
Actually, if you are a pianist you are amazed. Audience is amazed by something like op10 no1 which is flashy but just arpeggios
@@alexismandelias Not "just" arpeggios, wide spread arpeggios that get progressively more difficult... many pianists including Horowitz felt that Op 10 No 1 was the most difficult of all etudes
PrimeArtOnline - Piano Covers yea lol i though it were just arpeggios, then met those 9th arpeggios and prefered playong ballade n1 which makes no sense, but i’m at 90% so thats cool
LeFudj I’ve played both, and I can agree that at times I would prefer to play the Ballade just to avoid those nonstop, arm shredding arpeggios haha
Chopin heard this in his dreams! In his dreams! I wish I could say my own dreams were as amazing as this! Masterful playing by a beautiful soul. Flawless!
0:15 is a very unusual fingering for descending G# minor thirds. But trying it on the piano, it works perfectly after a few tries. For me personally, it solves every issue I've had on this part of the etude, as I just hate the 1-1 fingering for thirds.
What fingering does she use?
Which fingering is that? I can't really tell... I use 24,13,35,24,13,12 as suggested on the henle edition. I couldn't really find a better one but it's still tricky
@@pianoplaynight Her fingering seems to be 35, 24, 13, (repeat 4x), 12, then back to 35, 24, 13, ending on 25. I found it very unusual, but it does seem to work; it just takes some time getting used to.
Is she even playing the descending thirds in that section properly? To me it doesn't sound right. She plays a note then a third and then a note and then a third and so forth. It doesn't have the clarity of the later descending thirds in the etude.
3rds are my downfall.... I hope I can do them as beautifully as hers on day.
It's been 5 years. How's the progress?
it’s been 6 years...Could you do it?
Yishai Zuriel i was hoping that she did it because it means that i will never be able to do the double thirds if she couldn’t do it 6 years later😞😞
Yishai Zuriel i tried to play the op 10 no 4 in c sharp minor once but i obviously failed it.than i fell in love with the op 10 no 9 in f minor,it was technically a way more easier than the other one.so if you wanna play one i reccomend you to play op 10 no 9 and op 25 no 7 in c sharp minor!!
Guys pro tip, practice thirds in chromatic scales abt 20 mins per day. I did that now after a month I can play them almost perfectly. Remember to practice 3-4-5 chromatic alone.
You make one of the world's hardest piano pieces look so... Effortless!
Love you ❤
This makes me think of a rollercoaster for some reason
You have to be a pianist to fully appreciate how hard this particular etude is to play on just a technical level. Harder still is to play it with the requisite ease and control, as Valentina does, that turns this "study" into pure music.
As a pianist i think that this etude isn't that bad to play but she plays it too fast and some parts are so undistinct it's a bit cheating. It's a common tactic to play above speed to mask deficiencies. Many adept pianists do this like Argerich.
ピアノが柔らかく見える…
本当に上手！すごい！✨
Idk why but I want to eat one of the keys
They do look tasty
Mmmmmmmm
Forbiddensnacks
NANI?!
Sacrilegious.
Lol magic fingers ^^
Took me ages to get that intro. Rather than alternating thirds, I played it as two separate trills at the same time and it just worked.
THANK YOU THAT WAS SO HELPFUL!!
Ausgezeichnet gespielt!❤
I love 1:10. So melodic and musical. Poignant with a hint of desperation.
Fantastic! A superior piano lesson to watch the fingerwork (however very few in the world can expect to attain that level of relaxation). Also incredibly beatiful work with pedal and harmonies.
She does not use her right hand's thumb. Increadable. I tried it a number of times and left it for good.
wow she's so amazing...
is this a dream? its surely not possible... its unbelievable
I'm learning how to play this song in my High School band class. It is absolute torture, but I'm getting there. I love Chopin's etudes, especially this one, and Valentina plays it wonderfully. :-)
I would have say, this is one of the best versions I have ever listened to
Best performance I heard of it so far. Favorite anyway..
SUPERB! And frankly UNCANNY! It takes more than talent and hard work to play this well. It takes GENUS.
Valentina I love the sound of your performances! Your executions fascinate me!
*E Y E G A S M*
i think she is playing WITH piano, not playing THE piano😶 How wonderful👍
Miss Lisitsa’s technique and musical sensibility are both equally wonderful.
To those who can actually play this - tips on getting the thirds to stay together? Sometimes on the chromatic scales, my upper and lower voices seem to separate slightly.
practice slowly... a lot. this is not the most difficult of the etudes but it's not the easiest either. it's very beneficial however. practice the descending and ascending chromatic thirds scales and stay faithful to the fingerings. use chopin's original fingerings or even godowsky's, they're very similar but they're the most comfortable and easiest to use. play the right hand alone for the whole piece and make sure to play deeply into the keybed making solid contact. it may take a while but the end result after practicing for a week or two will be amazing. best of luck.
LongDriveChamp03 Uh, I already have it to the point where I can play the whole thing from memory at tempo - it's just specific accuracy I have issue with.
If you cant do it right, dont do it on tempo. Do it slowly until its perfect. Then increase the tempo. Dont rush it
People often over-rely on the fingers to do all the work. Double-thirds are always played like chords, which means there is a small forearm rotation towards the thumb for each pair. Every double third (in the right hand) is played to the left, NOT alternating left and right like a normal trill.
On RUclips, search "Edna Golandsky double-thirds." She explains and demonstrates this very well!
To be honest the 3ds come naturally with practice. I am learning this piece and I am 90% done. The 3rds are the easiest part of the piece to be be honest. Some parts have awkward fingering and require good pinky strength. I’ve been learning this for about a month. Just practice really really slow.
Valentina, your performance is too perfect, words aren't enough to describe something above perfection.
so effortless, unreal, valentina is one of the best today
@musicfanBRA But that's indeed the amazing part. She seems like she's having a ball playing these incredibly difficult pieces of music. Hell, she even cranks out quirky smiles on op 10 no 8!! As if it was truly child's play. A-freakin-mazing.
澄顔で脱力してこの技術は笑うしかない
蝶悠朶 めっちゃ同感
脱力のお手本❗😆
Yes, and others use 2-3,15. VL has triumphed over all the difficulties. Hats off gentlemen.
how beautiful Valentina I love how you play, I am also a pianist and I would love to play the piano just like you 🤗🤗🤗☹️☹️☹️
Valentina, this may be my favorite among your Chopin Etudes, and my favorite interpretation of this particular Etude on RUclips. Very, very fine.
There must be something unusual about the way your 4th and 5th fingers are wired. It's just not fair. ;-}
All human anatomy is the same, I'm sure she just has crazy good dexterity
@cbfoto - Sure enough some artists are exceptionally blessed with talent... What charms me most in Valentina is the obvious pleasure she has when she plays. You just dont feel any effort. It's like a magician taking a rabbit out of a hat while smiling and dancing....
Valentina, you have a gift that is seems almost supernatural. Your playing has an ease that it seems just like breathing . I have been playing the piano for 40 years, have a graduate degree in piano from a major university, have spent years practicing like a slave, and still cannot play with a fraction of the ease and naturalness that you possess. I have worked on some of the Chopin etudes for 25 years and still struggle.
You are truly blessed.
What a touch!!! Amazing
Incredible!
Okay now you're just showing off. This is amazing
@cbfoto Congratulations for your way to pronunciate our collective amazement.
this etude is literally impossible
Hey Valentina, try this piece!
ruclips.net/video/0UarHFEcAEA/видео.html
noice
It sounds magical
Wow!! This was beautiful playing :)
미쳤다...
美しすぎる🥺
@BjornHegstad no 6 is a triplet speed study. most efficient exercise for triplets are triplet scales and five finger triplet exercises. wasting time if not proficient in these before starting no 6, particularly harmonic minor and diminished sevenths. for no 2., most efficient exercises for 3/4/5 fingers are 5 finger exercises and chromatic scales, eg hanon. naturally weaker fingers should be developed before seriously studying no. 2. no 6 is generally encouraged before no 2.
yes agree. its is so full of passion..
so light!! incredible!!
This technology is really amazing ...... Such a difficult track under his finger is like a nursery rhyme......
洋洋艾爾實況 her finger
Insane. You are blessed by god.
I believe this might be one of her favorites. So mine, I love the watering-fingers on this :)
Magical
She is just naturally gifted, she never studied music or the piano actually, she had strong long limb fingers from her poker dealing days at the age of one and could play any instrument blindfold by the age of two. A champion in foil and epee, used to regularly beat Bobby Fischer in chess in blindfold blitz games. She can also do better than the original Mona Lisa reproductions painted by foot in under 5 minutes. Her favorite instrument is the 156 note Fazioli piano that she can actually lift with one hand.
@EJLIU92 Different edition offer either so take your pick. Both are correct and pianists choose which ever one appeals to them.
She is simply not playing all the notes, e.g., the descending passages in thirds that occur at the top of the second page in the Henle edition. If you want to hear this etude played matchlessly, listen to Josef Lhevinne. Dubravka Tomsic also plays it fabulously, though I'm not sure if she's recorded it (I heard her play it in recital).
That's quite impressive. The only chopin I have done this afternoon is chopin up some pumpkin to roast in the oven ;)
I'm glad the camera was on her hand the majority of the time. Proof that she know's what she's doing.
Such elegant, such light, such speed, such melody, such dynamics, is she the girl version of Chopin? Chopin’s soul got in her heart!
She’s gifted!!
え、人が弾いてたんですか。
動きが滑らかすぎて怖い（褒め言葉）
@BjornHegstad from experience,25/6 is easier to learn. if you've conquered minor third chromatics, a variety of triplet scales (more the better), and comfortable with diminished sevenths, you'll find 25/6 may look intimidating on the page but will be very intuitive. 25/6 is "harder" in that the tonal shading is more demanding. for 10/2...
ショパンのエチュードの中でも難しいこの曲を、早くすらすら弾けるのは素晴らしすぎる。
와 미쳣다 진짜 손가락 근육이 다분리된듯
.ㅎㄷㄷㄷ
the technique that gets the sound you want is the right one for this etude.
Great performance!
now this is quality camera work
che meraviglia..
This is impossible for me.
Don't worry is one of the most difficult piano piece..
One of the hardest Chopin's etudes * probably behind Op 10 No 2 and Op 25 No 11
Lucas Teks No, 25/11 is easily lower than it, and 10/2 is probably lower than it, 25/6 is by far the hardest Chopin etude
+Franz Liszt Idk many pianistes think 10/2 is technically the hardest, but could be easier for ones. The reason is that playing fast and _cleans_ chromatic scales isn't that hard, but all the things change with that side right hand accompaniment, and as I'm practicing it I can tell. But I also struggle with third trills so yeah.
Franz Liszt 25/11 requires way more endurance than 25/6, 11 is probably harder for most. That being said, if you have bad technique, 25/6 is a monster.
I love this study, there's something undefinable
When I listen to the piece, I think of a butterfly in the rain. When the music raises in pitch, the butterfly rises. When the lowers in pitch, the butterfly falls, possibly being hit by a raindrop. At the end of the piece the butterfly has a great fall to the ground and stops fluttering. It lays there, peacefully.
How beautiful your comment, i think it's a perfect description of the thirds etude.
wauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu perfecto, isnt to fast, is perfect
This is why I love piano
Only the very best should even attempt this piece. It's a beast!
I'm glad you play A natural in the thirds of bars 7 & 8.
Some editions, like Paderewski's, have A#. Others (Mikuli's, Cortot's...) have A natural...
I think the a natural fits and sounds better 'cause the harmony in that passage it's in c#min. And when the thirds go up and the left hand comes with the melody on chords, all editions have an a natural here (bar 9, 4th quaver).
What do you tjinhk, Lisitsa?
One can only hear this and fall in love.
Only Valentina and Pollini play this Etude perfectly!
The trick with this etude is to practice the top note of the third more connected and the lower note of the third more detached. Doing so produces the proper illusion that makes most pianists shy away from it.
I haven't played either of them, but it is my immediate impression that the student who wishes to play this etude well, should first play etude op. 10 no. 2, which trains the 3rd, 4th and 5th finger on the right hand.
@VyvienneEaux that is an understatement!
1:07 left hand melodyline🥺💕
1:40 ..❤️
fantastic
@ValentinaLisitsa 😍 you gotta do a tutorial on this, PLEASE!!?? 🙏
Hell no
technically sound. love the diction in this
I dont know I should be appreciate from Chopin or Valentina! Perfect...
@BjornHegstad (cont.) for 10/2, it's actually very awkward for the right hand at moderate/full tempo. it may appear easier perhaps b/c the hands are not jumping, no arpeggios, just block chords in the left and right, and the right is moving up & down chromatically with fingers 3/4/5. but visually the difficulty of the piece is very deceptive. after studying chromatic 3/4/5, take the first four/eight measures to condition your hand. page 2, harder. practice & patience w/ this one.
Whatever she is doing is physically impossible. I'm speechless......
@jhardknox Your suggested exercises are spot on. As for studying either one before the other, I dunno - no. 6 is harder than no. 2, isn't it?
This piece is actually changing my brain tissue. But in a good way.
I feel like valentina is the best interpreter of this piece.
@VyvienneEaux But y'know what? An etude is a piece to help the player with certain skills. Etude is the french word for study apparently. You're so right though :D I only learned all that like 2 days ago :P I don't think they have meaning right?
1:08 to 1:14 is the most pure beauty...
@PublicLibraryx Don't worry. I know what an etude is. I've known it since forever. Chopin's etudes, as far as I have learned, are meant to first be learned technically, and then be learned musically. Chopin, it appears, intended these etudes to demonstrate theme and composition, as well as technique.
えっぐ！！！！
The fingers are floating, her fingers touch the notes so gently
진짜 테크닉은 신이야
@The55555SSSSS it is also the power of the perfectly tuned Bosendorfer for the hardest pieces.
Can someone tell me how the f--- you play this song???
+John Q LOTS of practise!!!!!!!
Please don't call it song
then what?
Dinal Aliffiandy
piece
Pacino: "weapon or piece, Charlie. Never a 'gun.'"
Penn: "Naw, that's not a weapon... Now this, THIS is a weapon."
Once we know the right technique to play double third, this etude would be so much fun to play