The threatening nature of ... Rap music? | Charis Kubrin | TEDxOrangeCoast
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- Опубликовано: 22 окт 2014
- This talk was given at a local TEDx event, produced independently of the TED Conferences. Charis Kubrin, a renown specialist in criminology and law, shares with passion and mastery a story of Rap on trial that elucidates the fundamental issues our society faces in relation to freedom of speech, liberty, equality and justice.
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Charis E. Kubrin, Professor of Criminology, Law and Society at the University of California, Irvine researches and teaches about crime and justice. In addition to publishing five books and dozens of journal articles, she is a frequent media contributor whose writing has been featured in the New York Times, Los Angeles Times, Forbes, CNN.com, Seattle Post Intelligencer, OC Register, and American Banker.
She has received many awards including the Ruth Shonle Cavan Young Scholar Award from the American Society of Criminology, a national award given to recognize “outstanding scholarly contributions to the discipline of criminology.”
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I read the title & came straight to the comments lol
Same 💀😂
Same here lol
Wanted to know the 300+ people that didn’t like it and if they left comment
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Same.
Had no idea she did a ted talk about me. She did her best to help me and I'm grateful.
Tosin, this comment means more to me than you will ever know.
damn man its you! hope you doin good brother :)
Hope you’re doing well, man.
How are you?! I hope you were able to bounce back and are doing well Tosin!!
Tosin Oduwole Subscribed!
Ice Cube once said, "would you rather me rob your house, or make a song about robbing your house?" I feel like that statement belongs here
mudkip , he also said “It ain’t about chivalry, it’s about dope lyrics and delivery. It’s about my persona, ain’t nothing like a man that can do what he wanna.”
forreal
Ok well if thats the case then id rather hes in jail
Joey Wheeler you’d rather him go to jail instead of making a song about robbing a house?
@@fxttr5961
what?
Nobody prosecuted Pink Floyd for hate crimes when they made In The Flesh.
I'm not saying that they should be accused of hate crimes dumb ass. I'm not coming for your free speach
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forget about PF, have you read Cannibal Corpse's lyrics.. I don't see nobody trying to shackle them down!
TheGodEmperorofMankind hella anti-blackness
I bet alot of people disliked it because of the title, even though she's actually defending hip-hop
TheDeathMonkeyShow lmao right! some people just don’t watch the videos
TheDeathMonkeyShow that was the most autistic comment I’ve seen
@@MrPikkEmUp Your reply was the most autistic thing I've ever seen
TheDeathMonkeyShow you’re sooo right!
TheDeathMonkeyShow yeah I’m not gonna lie. I clicked on the video and immediately disliked. But then after the video I liked it
I agree with her on most of what she says, but....... the more violent or misogynistic a rap means doesn't mean anything, just means the rapper is more basic.
exactly
She didn't say it was BETTER. She said it would sell better. And empirically speaking, she's right. Sadly.
+Manu Ginobilis Bald Spot true .. but lyrical rappers are just as prevalent
Magpie Smyth | Exactly, but the surface is all they see. Searching you can find amazing things. But I do believe this is a big difference between rap and hip hop.
Magpie Smyth What type of mcee / rapper do you listen too?
Why is everyone commenting stuff that makes it look like she was against rap when really she was supporting and standing up for it. Most of these people probably didn’t even watch the video
Because they only read the title and didn't watch the video.
Who is saying that
@@subwaytacoman *everyone*
The lyrics she cited, though offensive, misogynistic and degrading to women, are not worthy of jail time.
Tell that to the white supremacists in law enforcement.
@@froggodoggo79 how is the law enforcement white supreme cist, you reakonthey would have let a white boy off when they found the note?
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😂😂😂
So simplistic bro.
Unless he committed a crime..doesnt help his case.
Johnny Red what would you be saying about law enforcement if they’d let him go and then he shot up a school? Free speech does not mean you can say anything at all.
It's still kinda wild that the biggest defense of rap is that these rappers be faking it
Jarron Williams most of them now r faking it.
Most of them are kind of like ex-gang bangers now. They made it out the hood, so despite not doing it no more, they mostly just stick with the type of songs and styles that made them blow up because it sells
@@playboi_caid8301 So despite not committing crimes they still brag about committing crimes. Lmao ok.
@@playboi_caid8301 I love rap. I hate gangster rap. Especially new age gangster rap ugh
Trying to defend the indefensible.
this woman should testify for bobby shmurda since he was also charged with the prosecutor and police saying that his song lyrics are autobiographical. #FreeShmurda
👍
+Matt Matey but she failed to defend her client. man got 5 years in jail.
True that, I hate her
C OG well maybe it would turn out different for bobby.. who knows
Benisjamin55 she couldn't really do much in all honesty. Her in depth research was followed after the sentencing. So maybe she might actually be able to help shmurda. It wasnt her fault that the jury was full of racist and stereotypical cunts.
Since he's been to prison he has a better chance to be a rapper, has some cred now.
Sir Sir acurate
lmao hahhaha
@eldtube true LOL
Exactly. It's just jail music most of it. And even when it isn't, it's still played way too loud on sub woofers by drunks at early hours of the morning anyway so what's the difference? They will be in jail soon.
this the kind of lady that asks to speak to the manager at mcdonalds
BRO LMFAO
But here her point is a good one
Did you even watch the whole video
U didn't watch the video...
Dont make me call your momma.
crazy video! Going into it thought she was gonna talk bad about rap. Just thought that because she was white. Shows how we all have racism inside us. Even when we don't mean it. Great talk!!!
Tyson Delacy Not Racism..
its not racist it's supposed to grab you like that
Skyrim cause that's your fear don't place it on us
Tyson Delacy Or because thats exactly how its been treated since it came out
This doesnt show that we all have racism inside, just you
Articulately presented and clear/concise. The only hope of progress this country has is having people like you share logical, intelligent, and unbiased trains of thought. Your work is infinitely appreciated.
Business Scrub Thanks so much for the kind words...much appreciated (especially in light of all the hate mail I get in doing this work).
Not a problem. Keep doing what you do
Charis Kubrin So what makes u talk about this?
What do you do though when people share unbiased, intelligent logic in a country where the ruling people make all their decisions on fearful emotions, like in this video?
I used to believe that logic would eventually win the day.
It’s 2022 now and now we know it’s way deeper than a mental adjustment based on logical deduction.
I almost shed a tear when she said "And how many more false convictions and acts of violence against our own people will it take before we say enough is enough?"
She said "our own people"??
she a sister from he hood....
deharleyva bro your damn af lmao.
Just
She got them thick thighs!
@@timotheusn.h.nakashona1001 :???
he?
So all those 60's-80's groups that had songs about underage girls and cocaine? Wait actually I think most them were living that life.
Still you can't just make assumptions, but most people no matter rich or poor have such ignorant views especially when in a group.
I listened to the video and regained my hope in humanity. Came to the comments and lost it again.
Hahahahaha
This was a surprisingly good TED Talk. I think some of the comments below show that people aren't watching the video. She uncovered some very thought provoking content.
EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW THAT THERE IS MANY DIFFERENT SUB-GENRES OF RAP❗️
Joel Gutierrez this has nothing to do with anything watch the video
Lmao *like*
EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW THAT THERE IS MANY DIFFERENT DON’T of CARE
underground is best
Excellent talk! Very useful to point out the covert racism that our society, specifically the socio-legal system continuously uses, yet ignores. My only point of criticism is regarding the notion that with rap "the more violent, and misogynistic the better", I think this is only true for mainstream rap. That is the rap that reaches the masses, which is through record companies, largely owned by older, white, males. There is rap out there that challenges stereotypes and misogyny. However, these artists are probably less likely to receive million dollar contracts, unless they change their music to fit what the companies want.
Becky Hayes I love this comment, as an underground hip hop artists because my biggest thing is not to be a stereotypical style mcee, even though I have some songs that are different, however lyrical and the message is important. Thankful I'm not a fake gangster nor a thug, grew up from that childish mess.
So the one thing you criticized you actually agree with?🤔
True
"Make them Booty cheeks hop!" 😂👏 hearing that from her is so hilarious Love it
This talk is very much appreciated. We need more like you sister!
A rap music scholar
Hearing that made me wheeze
Wish I could upvote you more.
reminds me of what happened to tyler the creator for his lyrics
Andrea Araujo lol but instead of getting 5 years he got banned from all of GB😂
musthaveV8 what happened??
Comedy Roast tyler’s use of words on his older projects offended a whole country lol.
musthaveV8 what country was it
He already said he got banned from GB (Great Britain), if I remember correctly he got banned from Australia too
Hi all, for those interested, here is a transcript of the talk with annotations by Law Genius: law.genius.com/Charis-e-kubrin-rap-on-trial-transcript-of-tedx-orange-coast-talk-annotated
Friendly reminder. Every time you listen to music that speaks violence, anger and resentment, you are chanting a mantra 🎶 Manifesting your reality. If it's true that a community speaks violence, homophobia, and chauvinsm to get respect, than the community is committing self sabatage collectivelly creating a negative reality that persists. That's spiritually debilitating.
Exactly.
Damn, that was very well put. The mantra thing is overlooked entirely.
So if I sing about being a fish I’ll become a fish
i love this lady
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I have been listening to rap my entire life, and I am a successful married man, there is nothing that can badly influence a person, some people just need an excuse to do the bad things they do, then they blame it on rap, video games and violent movies.
So you're saying people can be influenced but are only susceptible to 'good' influences?
I took her criminology course at Irvine, she’s an excellent scholar, and she does a great job getting her audience to think critically about all sides of the story.
I hate it when it ended I can listen to her all day on this subject
I always know the title is to just get you to watch when it's a ted talk
Keywords at the end there "liberty and Justice for all", which we've seemed to forget about that.
Well done and well presented.
This is one of the best TED talks I’ve seen. Masterful presentation
Fantastic talk. One of the better TED talks i've seen.
TEDx talk. TED probably wouldn't deal with this subject.
This is why I like TEDx, you have intelligent speakers
depends who and what you listen to
Fortnite is more dangerous than rap music on kids.
sorry i listened right to the end and it was good well done for being there for them
Very good talk, God bless this woman.
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Knowledge not Violence .
Life Stories not Glorification .
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NandoBeats plot twist: is really my 1st Mate
These type of people make this video hard to appreciate, but I respect that they’re growing up
Wonderful speech
Everything this woman argued is 100% true. The hard part is what do you do when you shoot a music video with lyrics like this and the artist is arrested 2 weeks later for first degree murder (like we have). And when kids are dying by the dozens from violence in your city (Chicago). How are you supposed to think then?
so what about the children dying in our schools by the 100s because of gun violence, what i am suppose to think? I am so tired of people using Chicago as so some sort of example?
ELEVATOR dont use chicago and dont act like white ppl dont play a role in this
so true
Aint no kids dying by the 100s cause of school shootings..
Yeah because of poverty and low income jobs plus high living expense = survival, and what do people who are broke tend to do to survive? Illegal activity, yeah some make it out with sheer will but some are stuck in a vicious cycle that's been going long and hard since the 80s
is it me or she Hella thick 😍😍
Staliiin1997 Stalin you don't know what the word even means
Lee H ahlie. Yall wild af. Just stop
Staliiin1997 Stalin where???
just you lol
Yeah she a lil thick true
Great lecture! And thanks for posting the Avalanche The Architect story in the slide show! keep up the great work.
Thanks Avalanche!
Charis Kubrin No problem! :-)
All Im going to say is this. Lyrics of any genre of Music are genuinely made from the thought like Movie or TV lines or scenes. Also Im going to touch the whole Gun thing Black+Rap+Gun Does Not = Thug It just means another person who have a fuckin gun. Its almost like black people can't be part of the Second Amendment. So I guess when a white person has a gun, its all good? Our whole government forgets that Guns are Tools. Yall having such a big problem with them know you should get rid of them.
Nuthin' wrong with having a gun, if you use it for defense, or for hunting. Any other use will get you busted eventually.
Brandon Jackson most people who have guns are convicted of murder, that is why people can't have guns. Most shootings use automatic guns or assault rifles. Both of those guns are meant to kill. You only need a basic pistol to defend yourself.
The reason it’s “dangerous” is because it’s what the kids listen to, they’re impressionable. Music is very, VERY powerful. New music needs some sophistication tbh
TheTroll Mastah - Completely wrong. The violent crime rate has halved since the early 90s despite making rap and other forms of violent entertainment main stream. Rap is an outlet for emotions society expects young men to suppress. You can tell people to suppress emtions, but that doesn't mean they don't still exist.
But I get your point
Watch the video before judging
Amazing, hats off to you Charis for this undertaking and your insightful analysis of the issues at play. Tosin, sorry you had to go through this. Part of the American dream guaranteed by the constitution is due process and fair treatment for all people. Your treatment was anything but that. Looks like all Americans still have work to do
A piece of paper tucked in a book is a terroristic threat?
All the white people commenting " great Ted talk" lmao.
How do you know they're white.
not this white person lmao
Did you even watch the video? Lol
oh yeah all those white people who watched the whole vid? yeah I agree with them, it IS a good ted talk lmfao
OfficialDjAVE so nobody? I’m white, and I don’t approve this message. Lol
Very good speech.
Thanks for sharing.
Making America great again.
Emotions trump logic....every time...amen
Anthony Thomas don’t put Logic and Trump in the same sentence again!! 😂
What
One of the best TED talks
Azaan Barlas agreed
Dang free speech is free speech! It should be defended! I got in trouble once for drawing a gun in school. I got pulled aside and asked questions by the school counselor with the campus cop in the room and I was just thinking about James Bond when I drew it, no bad intentions lol.Bringing race into the picture gives you the disadvantage though. I remember ICP the rap group got really big for a year in my neighborhood and my parents worrying about it lol. It's not about racism. Rap is the most prominent right now so of course it's going to trump other genres in the stats. I definitely think you should have won the case but much of the research you mentioned focused on the race card where we lost steam on the right to speech. Honestly there will always be racists! I hope that there will always be good hip hop though! If theres no freedom of speech than technically we couldn't have either. Again though, awesome talk. Made me think... Thank you
Freedom of Speech doesn't extent to violent threats. If you say you are going to harm someone that is a verbal assault. That's against the law. A crime.
Lol, I thought you meant drew a gun as in took it out of a holster in the hallway.
Lucas Levon lyrics are lyrics how do you know it’s a actual threat or just entertainment ? Music is apart of the entertainment industry after all (;
Jacob Gooch who are the dominant participants of rap and what are its cultural roots?
Jacob Gooch this scenario u went thru is ridiculous but ultimately they wanna keep u seperated. And u got profiled in class because the active shooter tends to look like u
Which is 1000% moronic and backwards
that ending was hard af
Video is poorly titled so people aren't even listening to what she's saying. Spitting facts on discrimination here.
Much Respect for Her ✊✊✊
Excellent.
this is so true
Professor, that was one inspiring talk! Thank you so much for opening a broader perspective for myself and other viewers. It is such an honor to be your student. :)
Thank you so much Arevik for the kind words...you made my day!
“Glorification of violence and guns” sounds like every movie about brave Americans killing Nazis.
Lol one was reasonable while the other was criminal
Love...
God bless u brother and she is amazing and beautiful!
Hip hop saved my life. Eminem especially. I thought this was gonna be one of those people who bashes hip hop...pleasantly surprised
I listen to rap a lot and youtube recomended me this. ☺
How’s that for you now?? Do u still listen to it & how did it effect you
TED talk should do the same for movies and other genres of music
As I said, Republicans and their allies in academia stopped criticising violence in white music in the 1990s around the time of the Republican Revolution. The same is true of movies, if to a lesser degree perhaps. The goal was to attract poor whites who were extremely resentful of blacks possessing even basic political and other rights (as far back as the Fifteenth Amendment) but who nonetheless disliked the economic policies of the Reagan and Bush Senior administrations. That this policy has been a resounding success for the Republicans there can be no doubt, because it has allowed them to pursue extreme right-wing policies for over a quarter of a century and at the same time solidify their base on a basis of racial fear.
What is the ratio prevalence of crime in Hip Hop and Rap musicians vs other music genera? Thank you.
6 years ago I may have agreed with her but today... The music especially gangsta rap has a different kind of ring to it and they are dying by these lyrics and the youth are agressively trying to mimic these words! This generation of music and the young brothers are different breed! That's my 2 cents.. Peace
That was absolutely incredible, professor.
Rosalinda Rodriguez please tell her I would like to speak with her. I'm the person she is discussing in this talk
I completely agree with this woman overall, and what she's arguing, but not so much on some minor points. Eminem would be an obvious example of a white rapper being taken to court, and this happened quite a few times. The "study" that was brought up was also a bit ridiculous, as a rapper is always going to be considered more of a threat than a country singer. Lyrics like that are also more expected in rap songs, and just instantly come across as funny when pictured as the lyrics of a country singer. A lot of rap does also come from areas that are high in violence, with many rappers having a track record, so it does have more "threat" behind it... especially when some pride themselves on being "real". But freedom of speech and expression should be protected, as opposed to landing a person in jail because of "what if".
+PlutøTracks. Comparing Rap to country is like Comparing Heavy Metal to Ska.........Metal has some CRAZY violent lyrics....no one ever prosecuted about that
Incorrect...people used to blame Ozzy and Alice Cooper for teen suicides etc.
Plutotracks Just gonna say, Dont ever compare Rap to Country. Thoughs are two different Worlds. Like comparing Comedy and Horror.
I think he was referring to real Metal like Slayer and Exodus. If the genre is called death metal one would expect horrifying lyrics
Heavy metal musicians were brought to trial for teen suicides while rappers were brought to trial for crimes they are suspected of doing.
I love you!
Also country is usually seen as fictional and rap is seen as autobiographical
True.
Moreover, heavy metal is usually seen as even more fictional than country. I have never noticed anything that could potentially be viewed as autobiographical in heavy metal songs - indeed heavy metal has drawn massively from fantasy literature ever since its beginnings in the early 1970s. That may mean that conservative rap critics, if they do notice violence in heavy metal lyrics, see it as a form of fantasy, or a depiction thereof.
I agree that no one should be arrested and condemned for any artistic work (especially draft). How a case was handle with a white man with similar circumstances? Do someone have specific case that I can look into to confirm that “If a white man was doing the same thing it would be different”? Still, great TED talks.
jonathan picard wr
Eminem
2:01 *beat fades in*
The title is clickbait, this woman is speaking well of rap
I don't like it anymore. Finally came to my senses.
🤦🏽♂️
LIKE!
This poor lady lives in an ideal world in her head...god bless her
thx lady
My brother also hates hip-hop. He's right.
Is he now..
You say also like she was talking bad about rap.
Great comedy, killed me at 13:22
/s
Also yeah this is really true, show this to your friends who say racism is dead.
The IORNY of what she is definitely bringing to light is evident in the FACT that Ice T aka "Cop Killer" has been playing Detective Finn on "Law and Order" for as long as one can remember 😀
"I think, therefore I am" -Rene Descartes
We need more talks like this and more people like Charis. We go to galleries and pay millions for the art of Dali and Goya. The homes of horror films scriptwriters are not searched by police. But the people of color, especially young men, and especially those who aspired to be rappers are viewed as thugs. She is right, until we acknowledge that the racism is alive and rampant in the good old USA, we won't be able to move forward as ONE nation, in liberty and justice for all.
Seems like these comments either have people in strong support or poised rejection of her arguments. The critics seem to be trying to pick apart her argument by choosing one thing she said that they didn't exactly like, whereas the supporters aren't discussing or contributing relevant arguments/information, but simply stating support.
Nice!!
Johnny Cash was gangsta lol
Your viewers can google law and order episode entitled Weeping Willow. That's where the concept came from and ultimately was never used or meant for anyone to see.
100 percent spot on. All the negativity is coming from the people who have been sub consciously destroyed by rap music. Period end of story
physical racism stopped. but other forms of it have stepped up
Absalom Alila If you think racism is still prevalent in the United States you need to wake up.
Like what, incorporeal racism?
@@gbcmatt2951 racism is very much still prevalent
I get it freedom of speech and isn’t making direct threats he shouldn’t be charged except for possession of the gun if unlawful. Doesn’t change the fact that rap culture is vile.
Having fear of being terrorized does not excuse the terror you promulgate.
One word! HOLLYWOOD!
This lady just broke down to all the older white people how they discriminate towards rap music lol
Rap music in itself is not the cause of crime. A lot of rappers come from crime-ridden communities and their lyrics represent that reality. Also, as someone who is a conservative who happens to listen to quite a bit of rap music, there are some misconceptions about rap music which are there. Some false convictions may have come about due to rap lyrics, but there are many more instances in which rap lyrics is autobiographical. In those instances, the lyrics should be used as evidence.
She can get it!!
She claims to be about cold hard facts then makes an emotional "what if" argument.