Dave Penzer REACTS to Vince Russo's controversial Who Killed WCW? comments
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Vince Russo's booking as been spoken about for so long that I'm guessing Tony Khan will have his roster sign NDA's so that they can never mention about how horrible he is
Tony's gonna be paying these guys like they still have contracts long after the doors shut lol
@@user-rx2hw8up2j imagine how much they would be getting if AEW was profitable
@@philiphaller1018 stop being clueless
"I'm not going to criticize Vince"
- Disco Inferno, every time Vince is mentioned.
"Better than 80% of the roster." Wow, just wow...
@@TheFinalBossEngagedok bud
@@TheFinalBossEngagedyeah right,don't forget that fat toothless guy Ralph
You don't know how to read. Wow, just wow.
@@ElAssoWipe-o I read better than Russo books.
@@paulberry5750 * Sees the success that Russo has in wrestling * How does that hurt Russo, little boy?
$hitstain bro!!!! Lmao 🤣😂
I think that WWE should put more Russo ideas into their video games. Gives us a Brawl For All mode, give us the Triple Cage mode, give us On A Pole matches.
DDP on the toilet would be more interesting than any Russo promo
Or Kimberly
Why the hell did the producers of Who Killed WCW not bring on Penzer? He was there for every Nitro from the start and wouldve added alot to the doc.
ok then Vince, name who you were better than.
Kanyon?
@@boscopitNo. Kanyon was much better than Russo.
Vince Russo thought that he was a big deal after he left WWE and went to WCW. But in the end, he helped ruined WCW.
Bull 💩
He still thinks he's a big deal. It's funny on his channel he always says it's "where the pros are the pros" and then has like this string of jobbers who do nothing on all the time.
How is that true when Russo stop the decline in ratings, little boy? You used 20 alternate accounts to upvote your comment to make Jim Cornette happy and he's the same guy that has other men sleep with his wife and has been fired from every company that he worked for LMAO
@@mikep4957 OP, you already astrotruf your lying troll comment with 20 alternate accounts so you replying to yourself makes it even hilarious LMAO
@@ElAssoWipe-o says the guy who joined 3 months ago. Hahaha calm down dude it's only wrasslin.
Russo thought that writing for WCW was just as simple as writing for the WWF, was he wrong
How was he wrong when he stop the declining ratings for WCW when he had control, little boy? You know you're a l0$er when you're posting likes about Russo just so you can get clout from Jim Cornette. Cornette is the same guy that has other men sleep with his wife and he's you're idol LMAO
hey man, with a body like that I would have booked myself into becoming WCW champion too.
part of me thinks that Vince Russo gets such joy of of triggering the IWC that he knew saying this, whether he believes it or not, would set all the marks off.
I think he gets a kick out of it to. Tbh I would do it just for fun, plus he's crazy funny when he goes into conspiracy mode.
@@russellcampbell3500 Yeah. I don't blame the guy, business is business. I don't think Russo actually believes this though.
@@gimmiebackmybike1831 same I think he knows what he's doing, smart as a fox kinda thing.
To use one of his favorite words, he "LITERALLY" had a podcast called "Castrating The Marks:" He definitely loves to trigger 'em bro.
@@ElmoKnowsWhereYouLive5150him and his fans are marks😂😂
How would people react if Vince MacMahon made that same comment about being better than 80%? Honestly, Vinny Mac is on my Mount Rushmore of heels. Nobody in wrestling has ever gotten more of a reaction out of me than Vinny Mac
I'll give Russo this: when he was booking WCW he did at least try to push younger talent.
He didn't know how to do it correctly, so I give him zero credit.
speak his name and Vince Russo will get offended by it
"Ya know somethin' bro? I forgive you. LITERALLY.'
- Vince Russo
@@ElmoKnowsWhereYouLive5150 he knows what he's doing though, he's earning from it
I actually feel for Kidman imagine hey you’re going to be in a prime time slot with Hogan and beat him 3 times but you also have to deal with Horace on the side then you put Hollywood over and from there you go into a Pittsburgh plunge, strap match, and on a pole match with Shane Douglas not a shot, but Kidman should have finished that Hogan program and went into the US title opportunity
Still not gambling
anything on the topic to add or is this it?
@@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL Do you not think it's unethical to promote sports betting to your audience knowing that it is addictive and will, in almost all cases, negatively impact their finances (which in turn can destroy mental health and put strain on families)? Just because it's legal and loads of other youtubers are shilling for these gambling companies doesn't make it okay.
The Pride FC theme song in the ad read was unexpected but kicked ass
Anything on a pole gets over bro
I agree with DI & Konnan, those two execs, Brad Siegel & Stu, definitely were in it together. WCW would've continued under the Mandalay ownership. Maybe they would've been moved to Saturdays or something, but they would've continued regardless. Going from a $67 million deal what Mandalay was offering to $4.3 million (WWE's offer)? Corporate shenanigans. Someone got a payoff.
i mean the guy gave us Scott Steiner as a top guy, that should have happened years earlier.
Steiner was ALWAYS seen as a "TOP GUY" in lower card storylines....
Like NASH, DDP, and LUGER
Steiner didn't become champ until Russo was gone.
@@vincesmith2499 stop
Sullivan put the title on Benoit, not Russo. + Penzer wants to ask Pritchard about Russo? COME ON MAN inform yourself better Penzer 😂😂😂
Excellent video
Vince Russo is not a narrative writer. He's a booker. He's only called a "writer" by people in the business that don't know what a writer actually is. A magazine writer is not the same as a narrative story writer. Russo had a million short-term angles and match concepts and character creations, but that's what a booker does. A writer starts with 3 acts (or 15 story beats like 'Save the Cat'), and develops a trail that leads you to a climactic emotion. All laid out ahead of time because the end doesn't make sense without the beginning and the middle. A booker just tries to get the immediate pop instead of the big, long, well-earned pop - and either don't know exactly where they're going or not very committed to where they're going. A writer, storyteller - they are absolutely committed to the end, because that's what the whole story is about.
The thing that Bishoff brings up a lot of times Russo would come up with a beginning, middle, and end however the ending isn't great or what Russo thinks is a beginning, middle, and end is really a beginning and a middle but he doesn't have an end. So once you try to get an ending out of him, he freezes up and comes up with nothing.
@@donovanbradford8231 That's because Russo booked month to month. He went with what the viewership and audience were telling him. Other bookers will drag out their idea for 6 months to a year regardless of whether or not it's working.
In wrestling you can't stay committed to the end as the original post claimed, because you get injuries, suspensions, or the crowd just isn't into what is happening. There's a reason Russo oversaw record high viewership in 2 different companies - something no other booker has ever done. He has however booked long-term stuff. The Ministry angle started in October 1998 and ended in June 1999.
@donovanbradford8231 That's a good way of explaining it. There is value in being a great booker and in being a great writer, but when two work in tandem, it becomes something everyone remembers. The story doesn't even have to be great. It just has to make sense from start to finish, and the finish should in some way mirror/parallel or even be the polar opposite version of whatever happened in the beginning. Some call it "full-circle" moments or "poetic justice" but that is what a writer knows to do. Whereas a booker is really focused on instant gratification and then hoping to repeat the success. I think wrestling is always better when there's a mixture of both happening. Sometimes you want the guy to just say the thing, then do the thing and leave. Totally repeatable and can actually increase satisfaction for a period of time. But sometimes it's also great to just follow different journeys and feel like the time you invested was finally paid off.
STORY: A cat starts crossing the busiest street in town, but is run over by a car. But the cat recovered from the injuries and went back to the same street 1 year later. The cat starts crossing the street, traffic is busier than before... tune in next week for the thrilling conclusion.
BOOKER: A cat starts crossing the street. Then a dog comes. Then another cat comes. Then the two cats fight the dog. The end.
A cat crossing a busy street is not that interesting on the surface, but becomes interesting when you write beats that force an audience to become emotionally invested in the outcome. That's why people care about Otis even when there's no titles or main events involved. He barely says anything, it's just story beat, story beats, story beat, and eventually, a climax.
@TheNextStep851 I appreciate that perspective, and I made a comment above that it doesn't have to be one or the other. When both are happening, wrestling is at its best. Yes, it's a physical business and sometimes injuries play a factor. But remember, a good story isn't about the physicality, it's about the psychology that leads to the physicality (see the cat example above). A good recent example is Punk/McIntyre, a past example is 1997 "in the rafters" Sting. If the story needs physicality every week, then as a writer (or booker) you've created your own corner to work out of.
If the story is just about character and conflict, then the actual match can happen whenever as long as it makes sense to the rhythms of the story. For instance, Rocky isn't actually about boxing - it's about Rocky. Another thing to consider is that audiences are fickle, and bookers are reactionary (as you mentioned). You can cater to the immediate response and try to figure it out as you go, which usually leads to an anti-climactic resolution. Or you can just let the story cook and lead the audience to where they didn't know they wanted to go. A writer has a talent/skill for that, because it's long term emotional manipulation that leads people to a singular feeling at the end. Reactionary booking often creates disposable moments that are often forgotten a few weeks later. Which is what most wrestling has been for 40 years. The stuff that stands the test of time are usually things that took months or even years to get to.
@@JetForceFive Sure, I agree with all of that. I'm just pointing out that Russo's philosophy was more month-to-month because in wrestling it's rare that a story can play out without any obstacles such as injuries, suspensions, backstage politics, contractual issues, or the crowd simply not being into it. Russo has talked about how he meticulously studied the minute-by-minute ratings and they are what dictated his shows. He removed what wasn't working in a quarter hour block and added more of what was working, hence the ratings skyrocketing.
The narrative that Russo can't book long-term storytelling is a false one. Austin/McMahon was a long-term story that lasted from September of 1997 until July 1999. The Ministry lasted from October 1998 until June 1999. DX lasted a year and a half. They were 3 main staples of Russo's shows. In WCW he had 2 runs consisting of 3 months and 6 months with a lot of politics going on. While long stories can be good if things are going on and seeds being planted, the opposite can be said if they're just doing nothing for some weeks in order to drag it out. With the Sting/nWo angle we should also remember that they put the title on Luger in 1997 which took the bloom off the rose when it came time for Sting to go over.
Say his name and he appears, I believe in Vince Russo.
It's interesting when you break it down isn't it?
Ask someone outside the bubble the following question:
"A Head Writer works for a privately-held company where he only has to appease one man, and then goes to work for a publicly-traded company where he has to appease multiple people. Where would his writing face the most scrutiny, i.e. filtering?" They would say the latter, would they not?
So why do people say Vince Russo was "filtered" in the WWE? When you think about it, the reasons don't quite make a lot of sense on a mere company architecture basis. On a talent basis, I would imagine annoying one Vince at that time would annoy the other. But Russo and McMahon split because he eventually gave Russo TOO MUCH to do, and Russo was at his breaking point. Odd. That doesn't sound like something that is being "filtered".
Very interesting take
Because WCW had hands off ownership that didn't run the actual company. Duh. WCW was all Russo with no filter.
You Russo apologists are so boring.
@@vincesmith2499 WCW had hands off ownership?
Bischoff has gone in depth about how much more Turner began to interfere with WCW day by day. He was "sent home" against his wishes. Especially post AOL Time Warner merger, WCW fell under more and more scrutiny.
@@vincesmith2499 And you're too boneheaded and spiteful to even consider the slightest idea that conflicts with your programming.
Disco is like Excalibur when they talk have to mute
"mmmmmm mmmmmm mmmmmm mmmmmm" disco with tape on mouth.
WCW was already in the trash by the time Russo came the fact is though he didn’t do anything to make WCW better he was a waste of money there was absolutely no need for him there and they allowed him on TV and it failed miserably blame the actual people in charge not some NY loser that never belonged in wrestling anyway
Russo is one of the worst heel authority figures ever. Maybe THE worst, unless Tony Khan decides to become one. "Better than 80% of the roster"? LMAO.
Vince Russo is jacked bro!
well Vince Russo still defends his booking style to this day and the Oklahoma JR parody was too disrespectful
Billy Kidman should have been WCW's version on Bryan Danielson. In 98-99, guys like Booker T, Scott Steiner & Kidman should have all of been elevated into the top spots.
I totally agree!
@@criminalmindsgirl2936 it's frustrating seeing how they blew it all
@@TheFinalBossEngaged how can you read my first comment and then say "y'all cried".
Are you stupid? Is there a reason you couldn't understand a word I said?
The problem with Kidman is he lacked a voice. He was like their Jeff Hardy but they didn't have an Undertaker to make him as a legit top singles guy.
Kidman was a jabroni. Hell no!
Russo got seriously hurt "oh but we created controversy." You kept getting beat by RAW, you know, the show you once made famous? Choose another lane, dude.
Sandwiching content between a bad casino ad and Konnan kukking is certainly an interesting way to run a channel
thanks for adding to the view count
@@KeepinIt100OFFICIALthanks I skipped the ad and the kukking
Making this comment is certainly and interesting way to make yourself look like a 🤡
Russo sucks. Even these guys admit it.
Ppl were called anti-Semetic for suggesting the backroom sale of WCW....
this is what I don't get about guys like Penzer or other WCW guys who bash Russo: you all know for a fact that a bunch of the wrestlers have creative control and would mess with his plans, so why does he still get all this blame?
Well, if he was writing good stuff then the wrestlers would've gone along with it.
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Vince Russo created the wrestling business, you did nothing to help
Ahahahahahahahhahahahahah bro this is your best one yet😂😂 🤦🤦
Take the L, you deserve it.
The atmosphere of respect and civility here is refreshing. It's a testament to the maturity of this community.👄