You keep telling people these lies about me you're gonna mess up my brand. Don't believe this stuff people, I've never been nice to anybody in my life.
I'm happy that lead leg hook as a leg kick defense is more used. Like in a real fight you're gonna take the brunt of the kick but if you're not worried about that, you can open someones guard up. It's not expected
I feel betrayed. I've been watching icy Mike for like 2 years now and I've literally never seen that leg kick defense. That's like the coolest thing I've seen.
Sparring Icy Mike is not easy. He knows what he's good at and he's very adept to fighting taller fighters. He kicked me into the squat rack. So much fun.
I'm really impressed how lightly you are hitting each other. I mean, yeah, it has to be so during a training and I try to do the same. But in my group everyone always hits harder. When I try to do it their way I always hear from the couch "Lighter!" Only once I was acknowledged of hitting lighter in a sparing and it was from an elder man at a training camp.
When I first came across Icy Mike about 2 years ago. I saw him on Streetbeefs (shout out to ref Lord Bestaban) in the background. I thought he was exploring what self defence was about and that he had some good tactics for that situation. Over the months and watching Sensei Seth, Jesse Enkamp, Rob from McDojo and the JKD guy(sorry I forgot his name at the moment but has some great insights). You guys meeting up and sharing knowledge and letting us see the results is great. I appreciate this entire community. You guys are awesome.
What I learned from this video is that striking is a lot more diverse a thing than perhaps you even realize. You described things in terms of memorizing a pool of combos, which makes sense in grappling (your wheelhouse) because there’s only so many ways two humans can wrap around each other. The distance is zero, the force required is predictable. Meanwhile when all the distances between zero contact and full contact are included striking is a lot more fluid and variable. It obviously will still help to have that muscle memory of combos like you described, but a lot more things can be applied when you’re looking at all the real estate of striking target.
I do like the camaraderie all of you show when getting together. I like the soft style flow training you are doing, where no-one is being hurt and everyone can watch through the techniques. Good stuff guys, how can I get involved. Want to visit San Diego, CA?
I'm just a no-gi guy. It's almost impossible to explain my training because it's been off and on, and I've spent most of the time teaching myself. I started 8 years ago, but I don't exactly have the skill of someone that's been doing it for that long. I would rank myself at like low Blue Belt level, but it could be lower since I'm probably rusty.
So you're gonna learn how to weaponize flashlights? Cool! Also, it was a good sparring session, the experience gap is understandable, so don't beat yourself up.
That was savage! I was exhausted just watching that. Pretty sure that sparring session would have killed me. By all means do more commentary; that was interesting! If I were to offer any suggestions in relation to things you could do differently; I think you may be holding at the end of techniques a little when things you think something should land, particularly kicks at the end of combos.
I love your commentary in your sparring matches Trend to one day hopefully I can be in your video and I would like to see you beat orphans with your new flashlight😆😆😆
@@ArmchairViolence Projection is a peculiar choice of word. Could you explain how it applies? You have some pretty good content, and I'm not the type to unsub for something as beside the point as a t-shirt. Still though, a t-shirt associating the words historic, compassionate and diverse with Israel is pretty unambiguous in its meaning. I doubt this is lost on you.
@@jonahi1304kids dying in the middle east, civilians being massacred left and right in their own land by a genocidal, illegitimate, ethnostate probably disagree with the funny part. The T shirt is s political statement, as the guy pointed out.
I have sparred him, but I don't think I have any footage of it. It's just a bunch of me not knowing how to close the distance and him out-ranging me lol
Thanks for sharing something that isnt super duper flattering. You are really quite great doing work without ego. I wouldn’t want to cushion all of my statements and deal with thousands of RUclipsrs critiquing a tired spar like it’s a fight. Cool content
I had to look it up, but from the videos I've seen... ruclips.net/video/IhTyibweJ6I/видео.html ruclips.net/video/ddh_sR_ItC8/видео.html ...it's very bad lol Very compliant training partners, absurdly long combos, fanciful knife defense, etc. Very bad. Maybe certain schools are better, but the stuff I'm seeing on RUclips does not look great. Although, everything always depends on the school or person, to a certain extent. But some things are definitely better than others
Icey Mike is short you had to watch vid to figure out he wanted to fight close and was going to use his hands? Really ? A kickboxer primary using hands ? Shocking Glad your learning striking
Your striking isn’t bad. Your footwork is horrendous. A lot of times you stand still when attacking, defending, or throwing combos. That’s going to get you hit. Often. One year of daily footwork training will do you good. It will also improve your grappling believe it or not.
agreed, but they are friends ; how should they do like they are chasing an award for victory? It was recorded for public audiences. One's winning will result in diminishing the other's subscribers.
Bro the ego in your description of what's happening is insane. Icy mike is catching all your kicks because they're low percentage options. He would kill you regardless of how hard you were throwing them.
He says he's bad at kicking multiple times. Maybe Mike would catch most of them at full speed, but it's harder to catch a fast front kick than a slow one.
Do any of you guys ever put on head gear and chest protectors and actually go at it, really use all your tools like takedowns takedown defense, kicking your opponent before he gets to his feet, show all these scenarios that you guys champion as effective
@@institches2750 that's not true I've been training for close to 40 years and the most vicious knockouts I've were when people were not training without headgear, that's like saying your better off on a construction sight without a hard hat
@@GhostCat-zc2gj Instiches is correct. When you personally see the worst knockouts is anecdotal. Headgear increases the volume of your head, which makes it a bigger target and creates a greater lever action when being punched. This means that there's a greater rotational momentum imparted on your brain, which makes knockouts worse. Headgear protects you from cuts and bruises, not brain trauma.
@@GhostCat-zc2gj I didn't make that up. I read a study on it somewhere. I was under the impression it was fairly common knowledge in combat sport circles...? And the hard hat comparison may not work here. Hard hats prevent hard objects like falling tools from splitting your skull open. Headgear is meant to protect your brain from sloshing around. Football helmets are probably a better analogy, and head trauma is a HUGE problem in that industry.
As a boxer I dont understand this slow-motion, under water sparring style at all. Youre just goofing around, this is not sparring. This is playing. Its not going to help you one bit in learning how to fight. In my club the lightest sparring is twice as fast as this, and 3 times harder. And thats actually light, like 20-30%. Youre going at like 3%. No idea what the goal is, you wont learn anything with this shit. If anything this will just introduce bad habits when you think you can walk through 1-2's like nothing The very basics of sparring begins with being able to keep your partner honest with your strikes. If they dont feel like they need to respect your hits, the whole sparring falls apart and turns into this playground dance we see here. When me as a 205 lb dude spar with a 150 lb dude, they can throw close to 100% to keep me honest, and I'm throwing at 30% and thats light sparring for me. Its all relative. No pain no gain truly reigns
Oh my , whilst most of your insights are thought provoking , the way you are bundling, the failing techniques or ridiculous claims of systems, as belonging to everyone that does them, is arrogant and insulting. i thought you came from a position of extensive experience and skill . Nope, i see nothing in this video, except someone, who can not fight. I can comment, on a chef cooking some crap “interpretation of good food” for show but that one piece of nonsense, does not make the whole profession crap or give me the right to say everything that he has learned, in his career, is useless. The statement that “if you cant fight in a combat sport, you can not fight in the streets” is total rubbish …….i have seen so many street fighters, who could knock the crap out of many Martial Artists etc .You would be welcome to try your luck, using Martial Arts, in the clubs of South London. The cross over of what works, can be found in lots of Martial Arts and true Martial Artists, try out and use what works, from any style, in their practice and own up, to what doesn’t! A good coach will add to your aims . You make my point re:experience, when you say “ theres no use cherry picking moves without enough knowledge or foundational skill to be able judge, what’s valuable or will work” yet you are making judgments based on your limited experience, and judging, all those who practice a particular Martial Art, as being incompetent at fighting and also by the very limited skill set, that you possess!
You are confusing "knowledge" with "the ability to fight." They are very different things, and you need to understand that. The best coaches are rarely world class fighters. The best fights are rarely world class coaches. The best analysts are often neither great coached nor great fighters. I have never claimed to be an exceptional fighter. I AM a good analyst. I know many people that can beat me up that will fully admit that I am a better analyst than them. Your inability to recognize the differing skillsets speaks to your limited knowledge of martial arts. It's a concept that even most beginners understand.
@@ArmchairViolence Being good technically was not my main point From the visual examples that you present and from your “analysis”, that blankets whole systems as useless, because of either deluded individuals within them or certain failing techniques, you do not possess, any degree of a “skill set” or enough knowledge, to not recognize, that you are reveling anything, that others do not already know, and that they just choose to smile at and move on . It must be an inflated ego and the manic desire to be heard/noticed, that has created a willingness to overstate the obvious and to expose your limited experience. So i will now just smile and move on 😀
@@thomassegrue8783 If they already knew the things I was talking about, they would address those obvious problems in their system. But they don't, because they have no idea. When I criticize arts, I criticize the things that art puts out as instructionals and examples of good moves. I don't pick a random low-level practitioner to criticize, because that's not a good judge of the art. You have no defense for the fraudulent martial art that you got sucked into, so you've resorted to ad hominem attacks. Find a better use of your time.
@@ArmchairViolence this is old, but I think he was mad you debunked his dim mak-no touch-levitating bicycle kick that master Seagal taught him after he got back from the kumite. In all seriousness this dude had a stick up his ass man.
You keep telling people these lies about me you're gonna mess up my brand. Don't believe this stuff people, I've never been nice to anybody in my life.
Does it help if I tell people one of the first things you did when I got there was start yelling at Sensei Seth?
I'm happy that lead leg hook as a leg kick defense is more used. Like in a real fight you're gonna take the brunt of the kick but if you're not worried about that, you can open someones guard up. It's not expected
@@ArmchairViolence please elaborate.
@@ArmchairViolence your mobility looks weak
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I feel betrayed. I've been watching icy Mike for like 2 years now and I've literally never seen that leg kick defense. That's like the coolest thing I've seen.
I know, right?? I'm amazed I haven't seen that before
Timestamp?
@@F16486g 6:48
Sparring Icy Mike is not easy. He knows what he's good at and he's very adept to fighting taller fighters. He kicked me into the squat rack. So much fun.
I'm really impressed how lightly you are hitting each other. I mean, yeah, it has to be so during a training and I try to do the same. But in my group everyone always hits harder. When I try to do it their way I always hear from the couch "Lighter!"
Only once I was acknowledged of hitting lighter in a sparing and it was from an elder man at a training camp.
My greatest fear was accidentally injuring Mike the first day I met him lol
I'd love to see the two of you wrestling/rolling. Well, you know, without a Taser involved.
Me too! If I go down there again, I'll try and convince him to roll
When I first came across Icy Mike about 2 years ago. I saw him on Streetbeefs (shout out to ref Lord Bestaban) in the background. I thought he was exploring what self defence was about and that he had some good tactics for that situation. Over the months and watching Sensei Seth, Jesse Enkamp, Rob from McDojo and the JKD guy(sorry I forgot his name at the moment but has some great insights). You guys meeting up and sharing knowledge and letting us see the results is great. I appreciate this entire community. You guys are awesome.
more commentary would be great.......also Orphans......definitely Orphans.
This channel is filled with golden content!!
Its kinda cool that just as icy mike helped Seth grow. now they are helping you grow.
What I learned from this video is that striking is a lot more diverse a thing than perhaps you even realize. You described things in terms of memorizing a pool of combos, which makes sense in grappling (your wheelhouse) because there’s only so many ways two humans can wrap around each other. The distance is zero, the force required is predictable.
Meanwhile when all the distances between zero contact and full contact are included striking is a lot more fluid and variable. It obviously will still help to have that muscle memory of combos like you described, but a lot more things can be applied when you’re looking at all the real estate of striking target.
its my first time to catcha really good chanel while it's still small. altough i belive you'll grow quite fast
Next collab: is a collectors edition flashlight still in its box practical for self defense?
I love any sparring footage so keep it coming.
I do like the camaraderie all of you show when getting together. I like the soft style flow training you are doing, where no-one is being hurt and everyone can watch through the techniques. Good stuff guys, how can I get involved. Want to visit San Diego, CA?
Cool seeing all the youtube combat content creators getting together to spar. Just noticed Lord Besteban in the back sparring with Sensei Seth.
I liked the sparring commentary
Sparring commentary is fantastic. Also really interesting watching this and Icy Mike's in tandem. Very cool.
Fantastic commentary. Really great sparring!
Great work, he's a high level striker
Damn everyone I check you’ve grown like 300 subs. Keep grinding
Awesome video and commentary.
Great video as always
Been wondering what's your rank in BJJ? Or if you're just a no gi guy how long you've been training
I'm just a no-gi guy. It's almost impossible to explain my training because it's been off and on, and I've spent most of the time teaching myself. I started 8 years ago, but I don't exactly have the skill of someone that's been doing it for that long.
I would rank myself at like low Blue Belt level, but it could be lower since I'm probably rusty.
@@ArmchairViolence Ah okay that makes sense. I've been training BJJ since I was 8 and from what I've seen you seem pretty solid.
Thanks for the reply!
I like the sparring content
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what style are you originally?
Started out in MMA, but I did a lot more submission grappling.
So you're gonna learn how to weaponize flashlights? Cool!
Also, it was a good sparring session, the experience gap is understandable, so don't beat yourself up.
I don't need to beat myself up, because Icy Mike already did! lol
@@ArmchairViolence thats the spirit!
That was savage! I was exhausted just watching that. Pretty sure that sparring session would have killed me. By all means do more commentary; that was interesting! If I were to offer any suggestions in relation to things you could do differently; I think you may be holding at the end of techniques a little when things you think something should land, particularly kicks at the end of combos.
Loved it! More of the same please!!
I love your commentary in your sparring matches Trend to one day hopefully I can be in your video and I would like to see you beat orphans with your new flashlight😆😆😆
this almost looks like a father-son exchange
nice video of you sparring with Fred Durst.
Who knew he could fight.
Yeah Mikey!!!
Sensei Seth the living pundemic
T-Shirt is quite a bold political statement from a fledgling channel looking to grow.
That t-shirt is a cheap tourist artifact, and any political implications it holds are a result of projection.
@@ArmchairViolence Projection is a peculiar choice of word. Could you explain how it applies?
You have some pretty good content, and I'm not the type to unsub for something as beside the point as a t-shirt.
Still though, a t-shirt associating the words historic, compassionate and diverse with Israel is pretty unambiguous in its meaning. I doubt this is lost on you.
@@garbarrage i like it, it's funny. Historic, though, is a true statement
I thought it was to balance up the slagging that Krav Maga got in another video...
@@jonahi1304kids dying in the middle east, civilians being massacred left and right in their own land by a genocidal, illegitimate, ethnostate probably disagree with the funny part.
The T shirt is s political statement, as the guy pointed out.
Keep it sealed!
Nice video :) may I ask about your martial arts background?
MMA with a specialty in submission grappling.
We all love Icy Mike. He's lovable :)
Use the flashlight
the not bald guy looks like a beginner.
Is that Bastaban in the background sparring Sensei Seth? The dude that beat up SouthPaw773?
Yep! A star-studded room lol
but side kicks don't work???
You can imagine my shock when I saw Icy Mike throw a side kick! Lol
The hell was that Israel shirt at the end?
The sparring footage was great, cause then you could say for sure what you were thinking, as opposed to pro fighters, which you can only guess
There's a lot of blocks on Mike's arsenal that are also present on wing chun. It's a shame how said art isn't practiced how it should be...
I think you are better now than when you made this video :-)
7:04 that face
old man is not joking around
Do you have video of you sparring seth? I’d like to see that with commentary
I have sparred him, but I don't think I have any footage of it.
It's just a bunch of me not knowing how to close the distance and him out-ranging me lol
What’s your martial arts background
Thanks for sharing something that isnt super duper flattering. You are really quite great doing work without ego. I wouldn’t want to cushion all of my statements and deal with thousands of RUclipsrs critiquing a tired spar like it’s a fight. Cool content
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Don't low block low kicks with your hands, man
10:54 definitely beat orphans with it.
What do you think of Kajukenbo? Or would it more depend on the school or person?
I had to look it up, but from the videos I've seen...
ruclips.net/video/IhTyibweJ6I/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/ddh_sR_ItC8/видео.html
...it's very bad lol
Very compliant training partners, absurdly long combos, fanciful knife defense, etc. Very bad. Maybe certain schools are better, but the stuff I'm seeing on RUclips does not look great.
Although, everything always depends on the school or person, to a certain extent. But some things are definitely better than others
you should also do a collaboration with jeff chan #mmashredded
I totally would, if he knew I existed lol
This is just hilariously bad boxing.
I hate to say this but this is like beginner sparring wtf???
are you israeli?
At that price it must be a fleshlight
You had no idea how deep that water gets, Mike was using kid gloves. Thats not even amateur level striking im seeing.
Definitely beat orphans
Icey Mike is short you had to watch vid to figure out he wanted to fight close and was going to use his hands? Really ? A kickboxer primary using hands ? Shocking Glad your learning striking
Your striking isn’t bad. Your footwork is horrendous.
A lot of times you stand still when attacking, defending, or throwing combos. That’s going to get you hit. Often.
One year of daily footwork training will do you good. It will also improve your grappling believe it or not.
This is not sparring, this is playing.
agreed, but they are friends ; how should they do like they are chasing an award for victory?
It was recorded for public audiences. One's winning will result in diminishing the other's subscribers.
@@sammyli9456 then don't call it sparring, call it playing or pretending.
Next time try hitting him or something. I hurt in my soul for you.
Please stop making me sad.
use the damn light... learn to use it correctly.
Bro the ego in your description of what's happening is insane. Icy mike is catching all your kicks because they're low percentage options. He would kill you regardless of how hard you were throwing them.
He says he's bad at kicking multiple times. Maybe Mike would catch most of them at full speed, but it's harder to catch a fast front kick than a slow one.
@@kevinmurphy5878 true
Ego? Bruh, Armchair keeps listing all the things in which Mike is better than him lol
Traveling to film yourself sparring some pompous old man with 0 sanctioned fights for a YT vid is next level comedy
Do any of you guys ever put on head gear and chest protectors and actually go at it, really use all your tools like takedowns takedown defense, kicking your opponent before he gets to his feet, show all these scenarios that you guys champion as effective
I believe head gear has been shown to make head injuries worse. Also, this is a boxing drill, specifically, not full MMA.
@@institches2750 that's not true I've been training for close to 40 years and the most vicious knockouts I've were when people were not training without headgear, that's like saying your better off on a construction sight without a hard hat
@@GhostCat-zc2gj Instiches is correct. When you personally see the worst knockouts is anecdotal. Headgear increases the volume of your head, which makes it a bigger target and creates a greater lever action when being punched. This means that there's a greater rotational momentum imparted on your brain, which makes knockouts worse.
Headgear protects you from cuts and bruises, not brain trauma.
@@GhostCat-zc2gj I didn't make that up. I read a study on it somewhere. I was under the impression it was fairly common knowledge in combat sport circles...?
And the hard hat comparison may not work here. Hard hats prevent hard objects like falling tools from splitting your skull open. Headgear is meant to protect your brain from sloshing around. Football helmets are probably a better analogy, and head trauma is a HUGE problem in that industry.
@@institches2750 then why do do they still wear headgear in almost all Olympic combat sports
As a boxer I dont understand this slow-motion, under water sparring style at all. Youre just goofing around, this is not sparring. This is playing. Its not going to help you one bit in learning how to fight. In my club the lightest sparring is twice as fast as this, and 3 times harder. And thats actually light, like 20-30%. Youre going at like 3%. No idea what the goal is, you wont learn anything with this shit. If anything this will just introduce bad habits when you think you can walk through 1-2's like nothing
The very basics of sparring begins with being able to keep your partner honest with your strikes. If they dont feel like they need to respect your hits, the whole sparring falls apart and turns into this playground dance we see here. When me as a 205 lb dude spar with a 150 lb dude, they can throw close to 100% to keep me honest, and I'm throwing at 30% and thats light sparring for me. Its all relative. No pain no gain truly reigns
jew
Oh my , whilst most of your insights are thought provoking , the way you are bundling, the failing techniques or ridiculous claims of systems, as belonging to everyone that does them, is arrogant and insulting. i thought you came from a position of extensive experience and skill . Nope, i see nothing in this video, except someone, who can not fight.
I can comment, on a chef cooking some crap “interpretation of good food” for show but that one piece of nonsense, does not make the whole profession crap or give me the right to say everything that he has learned, in his career, is useless.
The statement that “if you cant fight in a combat sport, you can not fight in the streets” is total rubbish …….i have seen so many street fighters, who could knock the crap out of many Martial Artists etc .You would be welcome to try your luck, using Martial Arts, in the clubs of South London.
The cross over of what works, can be found in lots of Martial Arts and true Martial Artists, try out and use what works, from any style, in their practice and own up, to what doesn’t! A good coach will add to your aims .
You make my point re:experience, when you say “ theres no use cherry picking moves without enough knowledge or foundational skill to be able judge, what’s valuable or will work” yet you are making judgments based on your limited experience, and judging, all those who practice a particular Martial Art, as being incompetent at fighting and also by the very limited skill set, that you possess!
You are confusing "knowledge" with "the ability to fight." They are very different things, and you need to understand that.
The best coaches are rarely world class fighters. The best fights are rarely world class coaches. The best analysts are often neither great coached nor great fighters.
I have never claimed to be an exceptional fighter. I AM a good analyst. I know many people that can beat me up that will fully admit that I am a better analyst than them.
Your inability to recognize the differing skillsets speaks to your limited knowledge of martial arts. It's a concept that even most beginners understand.
@@ArmchairViolence Being good technically was not my main point From the visual examples that you present and from your “analysis”, that blankets whole systems as useless, because of either deluded individuals within them or certain failing techniques, you do not possess, any degree of a “skill set” or enough knowledge, to not recognize, that you are reveling anything, that others do not already know, and that they just choose to smile at and move on .
It must be an inflated ego and the manic desire to be heard/noticed, that has created a willingness to overstate the obvious and to expose your limited experience. So i will now just smile and move on 😀
@@thomassegrue8783 If they already knew the things I was talking about, they would address those obvious problems in their system. But they don't, because they have no idea.
When I criticize arts, I criticize the things that art puts out as instructionals and examples of good moves. I don't pick a random low-level practitioner to criticize, because that's not a good judge of the art.
You have no defense for the fraudulent martial art that you got sucked into, so you've resorted to ad hominem attacks. Find a better use of your time.
@@ArmchairViolence this is old, but I think he was mad you debunked his dim mak-no touch-levitating bicycle kick that master Seagal taught him after he got back from the kumite. In all seriousness this dude had a stick up his ass man.