The Predator Who Hired an Online Hitman to Kill his 13 Year Old Victim
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00:00 Intro
01:04 Opening Credits
01:50 Sponsor
03:42 Beginnings
06:30 Feeling Closer
11:24 Darker
12:08 Discovered
12:57 Who Is John?
14:36 Shopping the Dark Web
John Michael Musbach was a man who engaged in questionable conversation with a thirteen year old boy on the internet. When he was then caught by the boys parents, he panicked and turned to a website on the dark web called Besa Mafia to hire a hitman to kill his thirteen year old victim using bitcoin in an attempt to evade prosecution - but the dark web and bitcoin would be his undoing...
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I am FURIOUS at you! My son just read this post and then GOOGLE SEARCHED your companies name.
Immediately; HUGE BLACK C1CKS in my child's face! You should be absolutely ashamed of yourselves.
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As someone who has been on the darkweb, literally none of this surprises me. Lots of people who think they're smarter/tougher/cooler than anyone else, and it's almost entirely scams for them to get tricked by.
Dark web = Scam City
I've always wondered what it's like...like is there a search engine for all different illegal things with illegal websites? Or do you type in a message of what you want 🤔 honestly just curious I wouldn't use it
@Emma Bennett it's like what the regular internet was back in 1995. Everything is insanely ugly and basic and filled with scam sites.
It has its own search engine like Google but it's not as sophisticated
@@PeakedInterest thanks! Amazing video BTW I was hooked!
@@PeakedInterest Exactly. I stg it looks like it's in HTML-3. It's super scuffed
God. The whole chat sections gives me such flashbacks to the way creeps would talk on Gaia Online back in the day. Now I'm an adult and fully aware I was basically being groomed by creeps online lol, that word didn't exist in society's vocabulary yet. It was just "don't use your real name (I didn't) don't tell them where you live (I didn't) don't tell them your age (I was ~10 pretending to be 15 lol)" Beyond that... we didn't know. What a mess
Ig that’s why awareness about this type of abuse is so important
@@thecatreturns22 Absolutely. This was the 2000s, words like "grooming" just didn't exist outside of, like, psychologists offices. I hadn't even heard the term till I was in high school. The internet was a different thing back then. Even now, people doubt that it's possible to be groomed/gaslit/abused by someone over the internet. Let alone 15-20+ years ago. I'm happy kids today are learning how to stay safe
That's exactly why I created that section of the video in this way. I really wanted people to experience it first hand to see how simply and easily their kids can be led this way by devious people. I obviously hope there aren't any kids that watch my channel but I also like to think the ones which do will learn something from how I explore certain stories
you can tell so much effort has gone in too this , props to you
Maximum effort, that's the channel motto. Actually its deadpools but I agree with it
I haven't even finished the video yet but... that chat is so incredibly heartbreaking, I'm a victim of grooming and well.. I just wish we queer kids had a safer place to express our own identity so this type of stuff could never happen. I wish there weren't people out there taking advantage of kids, I wish it wasn't a thing.
This is one of the reasons I felt that part of the story was necessary and why I didn't want to interrupt it with my voice, it's really a key part of what happened.
The chat between John and his victim was not word for word real, recreated from reports the chat between John and the website is taken straight from the investigation report
This can happen to anyone.
My heart goes out to you and anyone else who has had the misfortune of being taken advantage of or worse.
@@NohrScum thank you so much..💙
It's sad you linked your identity to your sexual preference. Literally nobody cares if you like the same gender. That's my biggest issue with the LGBTQ, and a lot of other peoples too.
I have both anxiety shakes and waves of nostalgia seeing this chat.
If I were even a little bit stupider than I was when I was messaging and being messaged by unknown men on DeviantArt and Kik, I'd probably have been on a missing poster someone lined their hamster's cage with.
It's part of the reason I did the chat this way, I wanted to show people how easily it happens. People who I spoke to about this aspect of the script said it echoed their experience of being groomed or almost being groomed
I sure hope "Mike" gets the emotional support he needs & is able to heal from this traumatic episode.
I hope so too, these kind of situations can be so damaging
I remember talking to a 35 year old woman on Myspace back in the day when I was like 13 or something. She sent me so many topless pics that I thought I was the luckiest dude ever. I remember she tried hard to get me to come visit her by paying for me but I knew my mom would have said no.
I remember doing the same thing!! I was the happiest 12 year old boy ever. It was weird how it was a different girl every pic though lmao
@@DrugsDrugsDrugsDrugs it was a set up😂. A nonce sent them. Probably got aroused at the thought of you lusting. Lucky you didn't go round to see this "woman'. You'd have been burgled at best, burgled and then murdered afterwards at worst. When you look at it like that it's not so bad a perve getting his jollies just thinking of you while he works himself up is it?
It's funny I have a similar story too. I was 15, "she" was 29. I was so excited and eventually offered to drive to her so we could meet. That's when she ghosted me.
Tp be honest it sounds like you got a lucky escape
@@PeakedInterest tbqh reflecting on it now I don’t think it was a woman talking to me
This is just one of the many reasons why if you have internal conflicts you should visit a psychologist who will help you solve the problem (this is not the fifties when you are afraid that a psychologist will send you to a mental institution because of a different sexual orientation). He will help much better than an anonymous person who will be able to manipulate you into doing whatever he wants. And a little bit of advice: "If you go to the Dark Web, you have to know 100% what you want, if you lose focus from the goal you envisioned, it's already too late. (Don't look for body parts,drugs,CP and weapons.)
^^^^ 100% agree. Sadly we've been raised in a culture which encourages us to not talk. A culture that tells us asking for help makes you weak.
It's gonna take some time before that fades away
Most accurate statement I’ve seen about the dark web, you gotta know where you’re going and what you want ahead of times, if you’re there to browse you’re gonna get scammed or exploited to some degree.
I had so many conversations like this in chatrooms when I was a teen, I was always very cautious and never sent my face pic tho
Well not exactly like that tbf... Lol
I personally love the lack of narration for the first part. It took me back to being that age and the naivety of being excited, messaging much older people on msn and allowed me to focus on the pseudo relationship that was built. The internet is a terrifying place. Well done on another fantastic video!
That's the kind of thing I was trying to provoke. The memories of being online in the internets wild west time.
@@PeakedInterest absolutely. For me, I wouldn’t want to have heard your voice. It’s not realistic.I had no idea what people sounded like when I was chatting to them online. It was easy to fill in the blanks that It could be some perfect romance, and not the sickening reality of someone who had no business talking to me or, in this case, Mike.
Please make the choices with your videos that make you creatively happy. You’re doing amazing things
That's super nice. Most of the time I'm just doing what I think serves the story best. I try to remember these aren't my stories so I should try to treat them with respect
Extremely well-made and creative video. Loved it and it felt like it lasted 5min. Thank you !
Is that good or bad that it felt like 5mins?
And thank you. That's very kind
@@PeakedInterest haha good 👍
dude i comment on a lot of these videos but wow!! ur ability to edit and storytell is so unique, i just love how in 2023 creativity is not entirely dead and cookie cutter like everything else it seems so thank u very much im sure im not the only one who thinks this way but just had to give props where it’s deserved
I enjoy reading every comment 😊
The text sections are white noise to me, but I was thrilled at 13:00 to hear your narration. Great story!
Thanks man. I wanted to try and limit my interruption into the story as much as possible. Call it an experiment. Glad you stuck with it
@@PeakedInterest Your work is awesome, the white noise comment is about personal eyesight issues and not your editing.
@@PeakedInterest Can you please speak during these?
Don't worry, I didn't take it personal. Every video has aspects people like and dislike. I was aware of the text Vs eyesight thing too since it came up in a video a year ago so I tried to keep it big and move in for close up on anything that was important.
@Rodney I can't change it now, I can keep it in mind for future videos though
Didn't know mIRC was still used in 2015. This gives me flashbacks to my 9 year older online "boyfriend" I had, knew him through there too. Thank god that didn't go like that... Was still inappropriate as all hell though
One of the challenges of this video was trying to demonstrate how young people are vulnerable online and how older men (usually) exploit insecurities in their victims
This was disturbing on so many levels and had me gripped from beginning to end. Thanks PI.
Thanks Kellie, it was a great find by Nicole who did a great job researching this case
God, I remember MSN messenger. I remember my messenger list was huge, I had a lot of friends that I added from different websites. I didn’t even know most of these people. One of them could have very well been like this creep and I wouldn’t have even known. It gives me great satisfaction that not only did he get scammed, he got caught.
Wow your production value is absolutely incredible. That intro was 🔥 and your video was so detailed. You deserve way more subs 👍
10 years doesn't seem that long for what he did.
I'm on a really nice relaxing holiday and then this video pops up,it's the little things in life. Cheers for this
Hope it doesn't spoil your holiday Eric
@@PeakedInterest nothing can 🤣🤣 hope all is well;God bless
Great video man. You have a creative and respectable approach to true crime cases
You always find fascinating stories for videos, and you do a great job
Thank you but it was Nicole who found this one
Although I think this would be a lot easier to follow on a bigger screen than my 6.5" phone... It's still a great production! I really appreciate and enjoy that your vids are more than just some talking head of vague intellect and beauty spitting out facts gathered from Wikipedia. Your productions are always, always superbly researched, produced and delivered. Thank you👏👏👏🙏✌️
Thanks Laura. Nice to see you again. Hope things are good
@@PeakedInterest yes, thank you! I hope you are doing well also and staying cool this summer. I am still trying to find the time to finish the last 1/3 of Elon Musk when I can sit down and really pay attention. All of your content is so well done, I want to give it that treatment, really be able to absorb it when I can! Thank you for always presenting the best quality and highest caliber production. I don't know how you do it alone, but you are appreciated!! 👏🙏👏
peaked interest your vids are sooo in depth please keep it up
I'm not going anywhere don't worry
This video was incredibly well made
Thanks ovenchipp. Appreciate the nice comment
I went to college with John Musbach - not only that, but he was my direct dormroom neighbor in freshman year. I am in many ways shocked by these revelations, but also not surprised he was that much of an idiot to try and hire a hitman. John was in some ways mentally challenged. It's hard to get a read on him, and I'm not a doctor or psychiatrist, but he was among the more autistic people I've ever met in my life. He was very smart about certain things in computer science, but profoundly lacked a lot of common sense. Socially he was very quiet and had an almost catatonic affect - he kind of came off like he had been kicked in the head by a horse. He was infamous for peeing in the communal showers in the dorms, and defending the practice in our internal listserv mailinglist. I'm just dumping memories at this point, but he was.... not all there. Not at all defending this disgusting outcome, but I do lament that he clearly did not integrate with society such that he ended up finding outlets through nefarious means.
Thats out of it, you must have thought or said "What! Wait, omg" or similar, not saying he was anyone but a name from college but still surprising.
Yeah, he certainly conducted himself with a bit to much awarness of & knowing exactly what he was doing.
Poor kid but lucky kid as well, he did have good parents, so many are happy they arent being bothered rather than still having an awareness & interest in what their kids are doing. They gave him life & there's a more than reasonable chance they saved it also.
Your "like he'd been kicked in the head by a horse" comment cracked me up.
My stepsister is a little unique herself, One day I was drinking a cup of coffee & standing in the doorway facing outside watching the drizzling rain when my step sister paused just to the side of me, stood looking out for a moment & said "Be a nice day if it wasnt raining ay".
Yeeess. I couldnt fault her logic. Yes it would be I imagine.
I rarely see her due to geography among other things but not a unique comment for her, but harmless.
Whereas John....with any luck that figurative "horse" that may have head kicked him will come back around the block with the rest of the herd.
When thats their sexual interest it never changes, they cant "psychologize" them into appropriate age groups & their fantasy can adapt but it doesnt stop.
They always seem to be happy to release them on the chance they WONT rather the equally possible if not more likely that they WILL.
Thats a hell of a gamble they make with everyone's chidren on someone thats aready displayed methodical predatory behaviour let alone John who followed that up with a worse decision.
I suppose he needed a hitman because it sounds like he lives a life shooting himself in the foot. Here's life advice he could take either way "Aim higher John".
Peace
I was a coworker of Johns at a tech company and wow this description is really spot on.
@@Matthias333 kicked in the head by a horse?
@@Matthias333 oh, the entire description.
Very nice video, really gives you the creeps. Would love to see a video about Tiffany Dover in the future.
Holy shit, this person was my roommate. I knew this person was a creep but I was shocked to find out what he did.
🧢
How did he end up being your roommate? What made him creepy? Have you got any proof?
Really? That's pretty insane if true. Tell the story
@@PeakedInterest Can I contact you via DM/email or something? It's kind of a long story.
Of course you can. My DMs are always open on twitter @peaked1nterest or you can email the channel at peakedinterestyt@gmail.com
really peaked my interest again, i wish there was something more to the text part though since i usually listen to videos like these while working on projects
I can understand that, the problem I had was I had to try and create and demonstrate a grooming situation and retain the innocence and naivety of the victim. I kept thinking that if I narrated those messages then I'm essentially giving my voice to him which might make him seem older than he was and encourage some people to think "he should have known better" I didn't want that to happen.
It is something I'll strongly consider in future though
Sorry, but a major part of your video was hard for me to understand as I have extremely low vision and rely on mostly audio.
Apologies Alana. I was very wary of giving my voice to 14 year old victim and making him seem older than he was so I decided not to narrate that section. I am genuinely sorry it spoiled the video for you and I'll be more Cognizant of that in future and find a workaround
@@PeakedInterest thank you! I do love your videos
Excellent. Just…top tier.
Thanks candi
Great narration
10 years? Pretty tame, if he ever gets them.
Great video! Keep up the good work! :-)
Just found your channel, I'm about to check out other videos. 🤓 Great job presenting this one!!
Thanks Jennifer. I hope youll find others just as interesting
Great video. It have to be a lot of work behind these videos!
Indeed it is but I try to give maximum effort in every video.
I've heard nothing but bad things about the dark web don't sound like a good place to be.
What a bastard! So was the site some kind if vigilante site to catch these scumbags? Or did they actually organise it with the police as a kind of sting operation? Was the warning to avoid there as a kind of lure, using reverse psychology? Great video, btw.
It's hard to say because the site admin claims he was always a scam site which shared info with police but only after the site was repeatedly hacked and it's data shared with law enforcement.
The warning to avoid there was definitely a lure, give the video in the linked description a watch by barely sociable it's a very good history of the site
Prologues keep getting better on these videos. harry potter, mad max fury road and the recent predator prequel called prey has great prologues and I enjoy yours as they pique the interest.
Also liked the Edgar Wright+Shaun of the Dead style quick edit cuts to exhibit passage of time in the morning and breakfast before the second chat.
I also liked how it played out as if the chat was happening in real time, made the story more immersive. A lot of work went into this sequence as well as editing in all the stock footage. I appreciate the production quality and effort.
Last, can you tell me why "painless poison" costs $12,000 more than > "castration" ? Seems like the latter would be more labor intensive wouldn't it ? 😆
Thanks Raymond. You know that very short quick cut time passage part was exacy an ode to Edgar Wright and I'm genuinely super happy someone got the reference 😁
this was blood curdling to watch. poor child.
very well-made video
Oooo my interest is piqued.
You used the right piqued 😩😩😩❤️❤️❤️❤️
I see what you did there 😮
The stock footage intro had me thinking, how do you arrest someone with no arms?
Low-key makes me feel like a predator even watching these reenactments
im surprised this only has 12k views
Did you do post-production/After Effects work in professional media before RUclips?
No, i was a video editor before this but I worked analogue (I'm older than I look) I had never done any digital editing before RUclips. Learned it all on the job
sounds like the plot to a more modern Home Alone movie
3:56 IRC used to be popular in the 80s and 90s? I've got an IRC client installed on my PC to this day and the protocol is still used in many modern applications (e.g. chats in multiplayer games).
Wow…it’s been a long time since I used IRC. Hard to believe the Internet started out pretty much text-based, with BBS and IRC being used heavily.
Perfectly Normal. Perfectly Healthy.
I don't get why he was trying to get Mike killed when he'd already received his suspended sentence
I was also confused by this. The messages with the "hitman website" were from 2016, before he was arrested. Those messages surfaced in 2019.
Correct. Apologies if that was unclear, I did mention in the video that the messages didn't get revealed until later
@@PeakedInterest I've heard that there's a rule in filmmaking that says if you want your audience to really know some piece of information, you have to repeat it three times :)
@Jarkko that could be true but I think it probably also depends on the type of movie and the target audience 😁
We're just going to ignore that last google search then? Fucking hell came out of nowhere
That wasn't even the last one...just the last one I showed on screen...
Off topic but what is the jingle that plays in the beginning
It's the 90s capcom jingle
Thank youuuu
You're welcome
Anyone else hear the intro music and think of the SNES Aladdin game?
For me I always think of Street fighter 2
Lol this reminds me of the conversations I use to have when I was 14 or so.
I was trying to replicate that experience, it seems quite a lot of people have said the same thing
@@PeakedInterest Are the transcripts real, too?
The transcripts between musbach and the website are word for word taken straight from the court documents.
@@PeakedInterest where can I find them? I use to like reading the transcripts that Tcap use to have as well
Nvm got it
12:57 for the speaking parts
that last line of the search history...
Right?
Confused could have just served his 2 years and been done, why did he attempt to put a hit out 🤔
and the chats are super weird and awkward
Wait. If he was born in 1956, he wasn’t 31 years old in 2015. He was 59. 👀
The driver's license (if that's what you're using) wasn't his real one. Just one I mocked up in photo shop for the video
@@PeakedInterest got it 👍🏽
I've been a subscriber for a good while now and you've made some very good vids. I also note that the production values are right up there with the best these days. However....these last two vids? The pacing seems really off to me, to the point of being downright slow. The slow delivery works well in the 'murder mystery' ones, to add dramatic tension, but not with these two at all.
Wil watch later, comment for algo 👍
Definitely watch later! On a larger screen so you can see the transcripts from actual conversations
Starts from 3:48
No sorry 13:00, serious boring
Great presentation. Not ideal for someone like me though that works while listening to the video most of the time on another monitor. This guy is less than dirt. Rip. Also glory to Albania. Rep the Kosovo flag boooiiiii.
Glory to Albania 😂
Late-stage Capitalism at its "finest".
meaww my love here
Te amo 😙
@@PeakedInterest me too😚
You mean I have to know how to read to understand this video?!? I've never suffered such an indignity in all my life! UNSUBSCRIBED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lol, even funnier when your name is taken into account
I don’t want to read all this shit
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Hello
Hello
Honestly man I can't read all that text, I don't understand why there isn't a narration.
It's the transcripts from conversations with the 14 year old and the hitman site
@@nicoleryan100 yeah, I watch a lot of other videos with transcripts. They're narrated
I chose not to narrate it on this occasion as an aesthetic choice and let the video tell the story as much as possible.
HOLYSH!T the first 13 minutes was boring ASF!
This is surely a good video, but I could not stand the minute-long ‚gay boy chat‘ and fast- forwarded it. Good the background info on dark net and Bitcoin.
Yeah, it probably won't be to everyone's taste but I wanted to show how these types of exploitative relationships begin and build over time. How the predator exploits his victims youth and insecurities
the intro is silly
Can you be more specific?
@@PeakedInterest The dialog was painfully unrealistic. "I can afford 20k for the hit".... on second thought, the guy is an idiot, so maybe it's exactly what happened. ha
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What a waste of my time. Vision problems means I can't read all of this. I've just unsubscribed.
You're unsubscribing because the creator of this excellent free content didn't know to account for your particular disability when making the video? Your loss.
I much prefer you talking dude, I lost interest and moved on...
I can understand that, I felt like trying something different. Only the opening part was done without narration. I needed to find a way to visual represent the transcripts of conversations beyond me just sitting there reading them to keep it visual.
@@PeakedInterest I liked the visuals even though I got bored and skipped to the speaking. I think it would be better if you narrated the chat logs as the visuals played, but it's your channel and I won't force you to do anything.
12:57 for speaking
I can understand that. I posted a note on the community page explaining why I made the choice not to narrate those parts. I appreciate people leaving their feedback though, it's always helpful
@@PeakedInterest Don't get me wrong I love your channel so please take it as constructive criticism!
What is this crap mIRC doesnt tell you if people are typing
It's a visual representation to keep the pace of the video moving. Stylistic choice. You'll also notice it doesn't use those fonts or open in Windows the way I did it in the video