Accident or Murder? What Happened to the Missing Dutch Girls
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- Опубликовано: 30 окт 2020
- In 2014 two dutch girls went missing while visiting the boquete region of panama. Months later remains of the two dutch girls were found scattered all around the culebra river, but the strange thing was - their possessions were found neatly presented on a nearby rock.
How and why the dutch girls went missing is still unknown but stay with me as I tell you the story and then examine the evidence to see what really happened to Lisanne Froon and Kris Kremers, did they succumb to an accident? or were they murdered?
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Great video on this disappearance case, and thank you for the special thanks at the start of your video 👍Nice how you illustrated things and the suspense you created
Thank you. I genuinely couldn't have made this video without your superb research, it would've felt wrong not to credit you for it.
@@PeakedInterest Very much appreciated! Excellent conclusions you come to also, I will quote you on your findings on the pelvic bone from Kris (possibly not broken) and the foot fractures of Lisanne and link people to your video here.
Thanks. It was an interesting case to look at, very tragic. Are you always looking into mysteries on RUclips ?
@@PeakedInterest Sometimes out of interest at the end of the evening, but not to report on them, normally. But at the time there was such limited information online about this specific disappearance case and there was so much Dutch information that seemed overlooked on sites such as wikipedia, that I started to write and translate it. Makes me have more respect for people who write or make videos about crime cases on a regular basis :)
I felt the same making my video, not easy to sift through all the information and put pieces together. You did a superb job, your blog was hugely influential on my video as was the huge photo archive that your friend made.
I live in Panama and this is my recommendation, never, EVER get on taxi when there is another guy already inside, even if you are with a girlfriend. Take the metro or bus, its safer. If you are in a hurry, call an uber. They have the drivers information registered. Anyone can get a taxi license this days. Also always pay attention to body language of the people you interact with, if you feel something is not right, there is a reason for it. Maybe Im paranoid but I'm always checking my surroundings.
I thought taxi go to a single destination one at a time. I mean the taxi don't accompany two different customers at a time? Right?
@@markdy0510it should be that way, but some of them want to carry a lot of people. it has changed as we had some issues of assaults through out the years, some of them ask if you mind, I always say Im im a hurry so I dont want him to take another person, if they dont agree I get out.
@@mval2876 and also driver of a taxi must have a record in some kinda record list for every destination including date and time isn't?
@@markdy0510 Maybe where you live.
You’re vastly overrating your own ability to read “body language” in my opinion
Its very strange how the tour guide went looking for those girls with such determination just because they didn't show up for his tour. Then kept inserting himself in the case and just so happens to be the one who found the remains.
He certainly had something to do with it I think.
Definitely fits the criteria of a murderer or serial killer who love to interject themselves into the search along with everything else being done....and then he finds them? Me thinks the murderer was in their midst the whole time.
The ones guilty usually those this to see where the case goes, maybe he just snatched when he save this girls and couldnt control himself.... what I noticied on his insta is that there were always couples or familys.. this was two solo girls with limited knowledge of the place, its just an easy cover up for the tour guide, scary stuff
@@Integratedsful not a good situation in that type of place so far from everything
Yeah he killed them for sure.
If i were a tour guide and my clients didnt show up, it would NEVER cross my mind to go searching for them or go to their room. WTF??
Yeah like it's not my business they don't show up. People's plans change. The fact that he tried to be so involved since the beginning is a RED FLAG
AMEN @@seren4740
Did happen to me once on an island when I overslept. Boat tour guide came looking for his business. A city works a bit different than a close nit community where everybody has known everybody for all their life. Every stranger stands out. And business plenty. If he did not come for his business, he had the day off and missed income to provide for his family. And if it may cost many their business, gives a reason to cover up. But a cover up van cost business aswell. Certainly I will be skipping that town, untill the rapists are brought to justice.
@@seren4740 yeah maybe for once learn what compassion is. he cared abt them because they were 2 young women who were just out of college and they were in a foreign country in the other side of a globe in a climate and territory they were unfamiliar with.
maybe he thought they might be in trouble, so he checked and things escalated so he helped with the search that's it and also he probably talked to the ppl they were staying with cause maybe they knew each other before
another thing you need to take into account is they were private clients, meaning they were not part of a big group they were individually going with the guide so he was more involved.
its funny seeing ppl adct in this comments section like everyone's out to get them loll, you don't matter that much and its not that deep lmao
@@tjallingdalheuvel126 I agree, very cultural. In some cultures they would definitely look for you.
Nina von Rönne is a photographer who stayed with the tour guide in 2015 and was so creeped out by him she wrote a book about him. Her book is called "Ne t'en fais pas, nous sommes amis..." (Don't worry, we are friends...), which is something he kept telling her when he tried to touch her.
Yea. I just watched this video and my gut feeling is telling me it's the tour guide. When I look into his eyes, my radar goes OFFFF
it makes you wonder how much law enforcement may already know about him, there are so many red flags!!!
what’s his name??
@@lanaxrey Feliciano Gonzalez.
In a perfect world we should be able to travel around the safely..unfortunately this is what can happen to any of us
Please be aware and plan trips such as this in a group.
I hope whatever happened to them was quick RIP
As a former Dutch marine, who had jungle training I find it highly unlikely, that two girls from Holland, without previous training would survive longer then three to four days in the jungle. dehydration, disorientation, exhaustion, eating the wrong plants/fruits are a few the most dangerous things that can happen to you. They had nothing with them, nothing to make clean water, no food, no hatchet to make a shelter, no dry clothes no compass and no map, among other things. So if the evidence shows that they were alive for longer then a week, in my opinion someone kept them alive. Just based on survival chances and not including all the other evidence. Besides that, humidity in the jungle can reach up to almost 90% so to find belongings in such a good state even if they never were in the river is nearly impossible.
And walking around in circles for days on end. Army guys tell me that even getting up for a leak in the night you can get lost in 3 mins
I agree Patrick .
I guess on a dead or alive trip, I would drink thr river water and hope, if there was bacteria in it, I later could be cured,
I cannot be the only person who thinks F. Is stone cold.guilty, I happen to be less than 12 hours drive from Panama right now and would love to assemble a team.
@@kidgforce1 I am pretty sure you would not, diarrhea would be a death sentence.
RUclips creators all seem to cover the same few cases, but this is the most in depth video I've seen on this case. Terrifying.
Thanks, I don't cover true stories all the time but there will be more in future, try having a look at the true story playlist on my channel, this is the latest true story video I have made
ruclips.net/video/YGZAHZJ1yns/видео.html
If you believe that most RUclipsrs cover the same cases you are most definitely watching the wrong RUclipsrs. Time to up your game
@@Frenchblue8 Up it for me. Send me somewhere not covering the same 80 or so cases.
@@Frenchblue8 I have the same problem. Any suggestions that can maybe get my recommends to at least...well, recommend, something about subjects that interest me without having me watch the same shit over and over, just said by different people?
@@poutinedream5066 how convenient that they ignore the people asking for recommendations for a channel that doesn't recycle the same stories lol
Imagine being a family trying to find your missing daughter overseas, in a completely foreign country, with the clock ticking, and NOT speaking the native language. You couldn't even read their tone, let alone determine who's bamboozling you. How incredibly frustrating & devastating. Prayers for the families of these 2 young women.
It's the guide F. and his gang who did it.
nobody fucking asked, provide a theory like patrick passon above you
Why do children do dump stuff like this, 2 young pretty girls thinking it’s a great idea to go to a forest in a foreign country
At the end they got caught Up in some Jungle harverster that sliced them. You never know
@@rsahota5325 only a gazillion people do it all the time .
How many go missing ? A couple every 10,000 ? That's ok odds .
It's fun to explore and they natively thought they would be safer there with locals than in a big city .
This is my ONE CASE that haunts me. I can never get enough of looking through the evidence and thinking about what happened to those two bright young women. My heart goes out to all of their loved ones ❤
Same. I have read everything about this case. We will probably never know sadly. Those poor girls.
Your case? Are you a private investigator?
@@missypuffin8985 Nope. I work in the legal field. Just referring to the personal interest I have in this particular case.
@@Zorpack1 Got it. Ive read about and seen docu's. It is a HUGE mystery for sure. I worked CID and MPI in the Army and have zero ideas on this one. The one thing i do differ with him about..IF it was Cartel etc..theyd not be interested in their silly backpacks and water bottle. Someone asked me once if i could speak to just one dead person who would it be. I said Maura Murray or JonBenet Ramsey
They were not very bright at all. First off they bought into the Girl Power movement which makes girls believe they can do anything they think guys have done! Second they believed their privileged female status they enjoyed in Western countries made them invincible and untouchable in true Patriarchal cultures. I am not a happy this happened to them but it highlights the utter foolishness of feminism.
As someone who lives in south america always listen to the locals, never go somewhere they told you is dangerous even if it looks safe. I wouldn't ignore the locals even traveling in my own country, i wouldn't go hike by myself.
I have seen several videos on this case but i don't think any of them has mentioned the change between the photos where they are together and the later photos with only Kris by herself, the change in her body language and expression is so striking. Nor the french tourists being warned because of the screams, there are several details on your video I had not heard before.
Your editing and research are one of the best i have seen, keep up the great work!
Thank you, that really means a lot. I made the video after becoming interested in the case and finding other videos sorely lacking in research
locals always warns not to go to mountain, hiking etc, because they are mostly farmers who never think forest a picnic place, they think it is scary and weird that people will go there, if i listen to locals, i wont hike any mountain!
@stormy weather agree 1000%
@stormy weather I think the main goal was harvesting the organs. Cartel runs panama and they frequent the area, organ market is very big in those areas.
@stormy weather I've been fascinated with the case since discovering it a week ago. I will watch this case for the rest of my life and hope we get some answers for these young girls and their families
It’s possible kris died early, and her friend was trying to use her phone after hers ran out of battery. That would explain that her phone would have the wrong pin entered multiple times right after Lysannes phone ran out of battery.
That's what I tought too
Why would she want to get into the phone thought? You can dial the emergency number without unlocking the phone
@@jordanjay2622 Maybe she wanted to call someone in Boquette.
I was thinking the same thing I was wondering why the kidnapper would try the password over and over again after he doesn’t know what it is
Yes
This is the best explanation I have heard about this case. All the evidence points to foul play by one or more persons. To treat it as an accident by the authorities makes no sense - unless the motive is to cover up an unspeakably terrible crime which would have shattered the confidence of would be tourists to that country. The piece of evidence that to me cannot be ignored is the severed foot, which could not possibly be the result of an accident. Justice has yet to be served in this case.
Ok so let me get this straight... "Tour guide F has a booked guide that doesnt show up. He decides to go looking for his customers at the house they are staying at AND then decides to search their room. Then "tour guide" F has the unbelievable news that he found the poor girls remains. A result not even trained dogs could accomplish.
Geez, for a "tour guide" he sure is all over his customers.
The tours that I have booked, if I dont show up, I lose my deposit and never hear from the "tour guide" again.
F is not a tour guide...
100% You should read my posted comment and let me know what you think… this case is wild
@@bulletpop3912 Nothing wild about it. It's a pretty simple case for any professional detective. It's the guide F and his gang who did it.
@@phillipproussier3723 yes but those above them are the main........
Boquete is a very small community. So the guide knew who and where the girls were staying and went looking for them. I don't see nothing shady about it.
@@gmantov toro is bull..🐂🤙and bull is baal👹and the number of bones found..33..
The cab driver being found dead a year later is definitely someone cleaning up lose ends. Likely that the driver was in on it and knew more than he was letting on.
Or maybe people just die?
Good that’s one less loose end
@@IndianTrollface NOOO!
Maybe he blackmailed the tour guide.
@@jw4277 just die??? This guy "just died" of drowning.... facedown in 4 inches of water. You must have missed that part?? This case has cover up written all over it.
Guide's actions are insanely suspicious above all hanging out alone in their room for 1/2 an hour!! There is NO explaining that except as a search for evidence that might be linked to him.
and there was. He handed them his card the day before right after the girls denied his offer of doing the tour with him and staying overnight in his coffee farm in the jungle. It can be seen on 10:55 on the bed.
@@GlassOfWater87 😲
🙋 I'm with you on that 👍
have any explanation for the phone login fails? that seems to suggest someone ELSE was attempting to enter the phone, not the original owner.
@@macaylacayton2915 saw someone suggest one of the girls might have been trying to use the others phone. We obviously don’t know when exactly both girls died or how far apart from the other they died.
It’s quite possible one died before the other and thus the other girl tried to get into the phone to contact someone for help. I’m not sure how close the two were but unless they were the closest of friends, it’s unlikely they’d know the others passwords
There’s a very strong theory presented on the Lost in Panama podcast & backed by testimony from 3 different locals that tour guide F was covering up for foul play committed by his son and his son’s pandilla (gang).
The girls had gotten into contact with the gang because they were looking to purchase weed. The girls were seen at a house party of one of the gang members on March 31st.
That makes sense. It would be unlikely that F was the main abductor if he were up and about the next morning, poking around the girls flat while they were tied up back at his place. If he's involved, it's not as the principal antagonist.
@@willyupshaw Isn't that guide dead now? I have no real speculations, but it is interesting so many men who had contact with the girls died. And btw, what is up with that amount of relatively fresh leg flesh?
Considering the ground search didn’t happen until DAYS after his report, I think that would be weird. And such an elaborate cover up! To have random single calls made that didn’t connect over days, the pictures on the camera days later in the jungle, etc. if you’re covering it up, the gang would have tossed their phones in the jungle, hid their bodies somewhere else, taken their money, etc. They wouldn’t do it all. All the evidence points to a tragic accident of some kind
THIS IS A VALUABLE LEAD.
@@PG-wz7byI think it’s the taxi driver who was dead.
I did read that the other 2 Dutch men they met earlier traveling were also killed. Not sure the details on this. I’m very interested in finding and listening to this podcast now.
I find the change in tone of the photos downright chilling. Yes, Chris's expression could now be called neutral, but that is completely different to their happy, earlier photos, and the fact that she alone appears in the later photos, and at a distance, is a very troubling contrast. It's difficult to discount the suspicion that she was in a worried state, if not under duress.
Absolutely. I would say her friend was dead at that point, with her being held captive.
mad respect for this guy doing an insane amount of research for this case
Thank you, a girl called scarlet R was a huge help. Her blog is very detailed
@@gertjanvandermeij4265 And if you had actually read the article, you would have noticed that 1) it's an idea without factual evidence behind it and 2) the professor herself says those other dimensions only interact with our own through gravity, which I would take to mean you can't just waltz in them. Never mind that there would be no reason to cover up such an astonishing discovery. Nor would there be any reason why the women could walk through but not their backpacks.
@@gertjanvandermeij4265 .......never takes long for the looney tunes to come out of the woodwork
@@gertjanvandermeij4265 how are the bones a cover up when they tested the DNA and it belonged to the girls..?
@@PeakedInterest You should do more videos like this, it's really entertaining.
so the backpack was found long afterwards, full of neatly packed undamaged gear including their bras. It sounds as if this was kept for a while as a trophy/souvenir of events, but then when publicity frightened the person and he feared being caught with that incriminating evidence, he planted it in the jungle to be found (or found it himself)
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I think they were to weak to curry it further. I seen this with I should be alive episodes where the survivors just ditch their gears as they become too weak to curry it.
There is a photo of them somewhere else on beach….. the rest of the photos may be red herrings
Na verdade a mochila deve ter aparecido pois os pais das meninas estavam dando 30 mil dólares para quem desse pistas da onde estavam as meninas
@@Whiteyy191 What an uncalled-for unpleasant sentiment. I don't know who you think you are to talk to people that way, but I'm certainly not discussing my sincerely-held and well-founded suspicions with someone who thinks insulting and belittling are an argument. Get some help for yourself
This may be the most haunted unsolved case I've ever heard. Watched many videos about it but surprisingly only 5 minutes in and I've learned multiple things that no other video had talked about. Great job, I subbed. 💖
I really like how you split up recounting the facts and then providing analysis/opinion.
The rolled up flesh that should have been decomposed, and the boot found with foot inside had a clean cut. This actually does point to a machete.
Source of the clean cut? Feet pop of when falling from a hight. At motorcycle accidents often a foot is laying 20 meters away.
Yes that sounds right. Why would it be a clean cut.
For me..Falling from a high?nope..impossible.. after this murder..driver taxi also dead..
Source for the clean cut? Every video on this subject has said it. Watch the video of the parents visiting the area, they are with the killer/killers. One of the guys literally says to the other, "Domingo don't say anything."
Its the guide.
Here, someone who writes is a person with some experience in international travel, I've been in trouble in rich and poor countries. I learned over time that the safest thing is to travel in groups of tourists, stay in official hotels and do all tourist programs in places where your group goes. It doesn't have the same flavor of adventure, but you come back alive and with good memories.
People act like this only happen in less rich countries smh. There are predators everywhere, and a tourist is an easy target anywhere, people gotta understand that panama isn't that country because "it looks cool", it's poor because.... Well, you know why it is poor.
Absolutely true, the moment you walk alone to a side street, not to mention a jungle, you are done.
@@shinji5217 speaking of rich countries, as a Brit I remember one of the most disturbing cases being the disappearance of a British hostess in Japan in the 90s. I had largely forgotten about it until reading your comment.
Y si soy de latan de Uruguay y no haría ese sendero ni loca
IVE BEEN ALL OVER THE WORLD..STAYED IN HOSTELS AND IM ALIVE..NO OFFICIAL HOTELS AS YOU CLAIM..JUST BE AWARE AND COGNIZANT OF YOUR SURROUNDINGS AND DEALINGS
I should have saved this video for the daytime. Thoroughly disturbed right now. Very good work, sir.
37:40 In all the photos you see Chris's neat hairdo in a ponytail, but in the photo of the back of her head you see something completely different, a messy head of hair, which is not correct, is it a photo of her scalp as a trofee of her hair?????
This story is horrifying. I learned early in my travels to central and South America to never ever share a taxi and to never go somewhere by yourselves. There is safety in numbers remember that
Feliciano Gonzales either killed Kris or Lisanne or he´s covering up the crime for his deeply criminal son, Henry Elizar Gonzales and his gang, consisting off Jorge Murgas (dead), Jorge Rivera Miranda (dead), Osman Velezuales (dead) and Heriberto Gonzales (dead). Four of the five gang members are now dead - killed by Henry Elizar Gonzales, in my opinion. Plineo Montenegro, Edwin Aquirre and Vega Moises are possibly involved, but they all know what happend. I know what I would do, if it was my daughter.
I'd have a weapon too.
@@bryant7542 difficult to have a gun legally/lawfully in the 3rld world,especially for the tourists
@@bryant7542 A weapon is nothing when you have a gang up on you.
@@naraendrareddy273 There was no gang, just a creepy tour guide.
I think it’s very odd that the tour guide became so alarmed that they didn’t show for the guided tour that he went looking for them. Who would really do that? Just doesn’t make sense to me at all. Poor girls I cannot imagine what they went through.
Exactly why did he jump to such conclusions so fast ... he clearly already knew what happened 😣
Exactly my first thought, why would he care so much
@@helen6k thank u !!!I don’t know why more people didn’t think that was weird.. oh wait they probably did but were told to keep quit because of it being bad for business if the tour guide is going around murdering people !!!🤷🏻♀️
Dinero
? I mean... I would. If they didn't pick up the phone or something I'd go looking for them if I found out they were missing. Personally.
I just found this channel, and this is the first time I have watched you. I was LOCKED on! Subscribed! Dude, I love the way you analyze and pull all your information apart into so many variations. Well done. I am looking forward to exploring more of what you have. Thank you, sir. Cheers from the Great Lakes.
Honestly, I have a hard time believing they would have survived for so long unexperienced and not knowing the area
It happens. A lady lost in Hawaii survived 2 weeks.
Strange that they could not find 2 living people, but do fiind all these little bone fragments and small items. RIP to these girls .
Probably because the girls were no longer along that trail, and the bones were scattered there deliberately later.
True, and also women should not assume that places are like
Europe. Even in the US women are wise to have a man in remote
places for added safety. Also, wearing shorts is associated with
women looking for sex in many areas of the world. God bless these
innocent Angels.
@@thematriarchy2075 This is not a sexist issue. They were lost and
they might be alive had they taken more precautions. Look
get off your woke trip. Panama is a more traditionalist place.
Even the most innocent display of a woman's body ,in some
places, can garner the wrong kind of attention. And all over the
Earth you have predators that deserve taking precautions against.
The girls needed a male chaperone or guide, who was recorded
down and documented. Someone capable of protecting them
while knowing the way to go for safety. I think they could have
been the target of a predator who had taken notice of them
earlier and waited until they were vulnerable.
The bones scattered like that to me represents that they where tampered with!!!
@@thematriarchy2075 People dress according to their location. You should
watch the new video that claims a new tape section was found.
They were the targets of a gang of young guys. It was a tangled web
there. The taxi driver and others were methodically killed. This
was a double murder and is being white-washed to protect the
tourist industry there. More is coming out every week. The girls
deserve justice and that the truth be known.
The photo of the back of Cris's head is WAY too clean for being lost in the woods.
And her hair is inexplicably dry. It was raining when the photo was taken.
@@andrewjennings7306 How heavily though? I'd also like to know what kind of plant cover was in the forests where they were. Some tropical plants have unbelievably large leaves, and some of them are shaped in a way that basically funnel the water towards the trunk. I've been in the middle of forests during rains that are fairly heavy, and it's not particularly difficult to stay dry, especially if you find a tree with large leaves.
@@scottcantdance804 even so, the hair is 100% dry and CLEAN. As if its been washed.
These were photos that were taken DAYS after they had been lost in the Forrest.
Even with leaf cover thats 100% effective at keeping you 100% dry from rain (highly unlikely), why is her hair So Damn _Clean?_
Any girl knows, that just don't happen. The hair would have been a ball of oil and tangles by then.
Also, this may be my dark side speaking (and I'd like to ignore this thought) but _In Regards To The Hair Photo:_
1. It was taken from behind her.
2. It was taken from _over her._ As in, someone was above her with the camera facing down.
3. Put those 2 things together. Someone took a photo of this girl from *behind her* and either while standing or kneeling over her, or (please no) laying on top of her in some way.
Also, the part about the hair being clean and dry. Doesnt seem coincidental _when added in with other similar meticulous/tidy "coincidences"._
1. Clean hair/neat hair.
2. Neatly folded clothes.
3. All objects in perfect condition.
These could be coincidences. But, personally, I don't believe in silly superstitions like "coincidences".
As For the question: _Why did the girls keep going North?_
There's 2 possibilities.
1. They couldn't, like the video states, because someone was following them.
2. But my gut instinct? Let's think. Why would 2 girls keep going North?
They were told to, purposefully misled at some point in their ill fated trip, maybe given a bad, even sinister intentioned, piece of advice if they were "ever to find themselves lost". _But,_ you may be asking, _who would give this advice that the girls would actually trust enough to listen to?_
And to that, I say this: *a tour-guide.*
All these, as one might call them "coincidences":
Coincidence 1: The tour guide giving so much of a fuck about two newly-met clients that he took it upon himself to _visit their residence and planned place of work_ when they were only ONE HOUR LATE to their appointment seems a little excessive. The time (30mins to be exact) he spent alone -searching for/hiding any incriminating evidence- in the last place they slept "safely" seems...excessively strange.
Especially when you take into account alot of killers like to insert themselves into the investigation and/or media coverage and search of their victims; Making themselves part of search & rescue, doing TV interviews, calling in with new "tips" or "newly recalled memories", showing up at memorials and vigils, introducing themselves as friends despite actual friends not recognizing them, etc.) It would seem almost "suspicious". You know, if it weren't such an obvious coincidence.
Coincidence 2.) Highly rated, -mostly- positively reviewed 100% officially board certified Panama tour-guide involved in the disappearance/planned brutal murder of 2 of his female clients? _white female clients?_ what do you think THAT would do to the Panamanian tour industry? This fact coupled with the officially stated cause of death is probably just coincidence though.
Coincidence 3.) Suspicioisly well-informed-on-his-clients-sleeping arrangements-and-volunteer-work-plans tour guide has all positive reviews EXCEPT for the *one tour he did with a lone (meaning no men present) female client* is also the _same_ tour guide to be paired up with *2 missing lone female clients.* -circumstancial evidence.- Mere coincidence, Dear Watson.
Idk. My gut instinct is deffinitley telling me:
Accident drowning/death by mishap.
What about yours?
@@andrewjennings7306 How do you know it was raining?
Looked like a wig to me.
I have watched a lot of people covering this case, but how you did this and your personal insite is just awesome. Thank you so much for laying this all out.
Seend a couple of videos on this disappearance, this was by far the most in-depth and comprehensive. Great work.
Alternate theories is even better. And very weird that a third part was promised like two years ago and the creator went MIA and never posted it.
One small detail that points towards the involvement of a third party is that the girls' bedroom key was never recovered in the backpack. That backpack was planted and I bet some people in Alto Romero know way more than they've said.
Wasn't the tour guide in their room after they went missing?!
That's such as good point about the key. I've followed this case from the start (because I was travelling in the same area of Panama at the time they went missing and I was the same age and saw the missing posters absolutely everywhere) but this is the first time I have ever considered that there's never been any mention of their key in the contents of their bag!
@@Freckles631 Wow that's kind of scary when you think about it .
Can you please tell us what it was like when you were there ? Did the locals warn you about anything ? ... Did you see any unsavory characters or experience anything that creeped you out ?
Compass and knife also missing
@@joschimaximus1358 yes he used a key that was hidden outside. The girls' key was never recovered. What could he do in that small room that took 30 minutes?!!!
i haven't seen anyone else cover this with this much detail and i've seen a lot of videos about it, this is so well done kudos man. hope u get 100k soon
Thank you, that's kind of you to say
Than you haven't looked hard enough.
@@justincredible. he may not have looked hard enough, but at least he didnt like his own comment 💀
I agree. I have never seen any updates and for some reason saw this video tonight. I had always wondered about it. Now I will always check ALL the reviews on any tour or even places I plan on staying.
@@bananaturtle97 innocent question: how did you know he liked his own comment ?
Watching this in broad daylight in the middle of loud, busy Charlotte and somehow I can feel the dread of being lost in a dark jungle. This stuff is terrifying.
I definitely think that it was something covered up by the Panamanian police, who would have the tools to delete the missing photo. The government needed to rule it an accident to protect their huge tourism industry.
If I got lost in the jungle or had an accident I would definitely try to call the emergency number more than two times on the day it happened, because for me it would be a nightmare to be out there in the dark.
I'm sure that someone prevented them from doing that...
Me too. I get they probably wanted to preserve battery but my first strategy would be to go back the way I came, if I couldn't then I'd go to the closest peak (since reception will likely improve) and then call emergency services
He said that he saw them leaving the language school, then he saw them again walking on the pianista a few hours later, "but really from a distance", as he said...two days later he searched the trail and the emergency calls stopped...
@@cfa1806 How do you know that? Cuz its interesting...the girls were trying to make calls mostly close to specific hours, probably when they were left alone, maybe by someone who was still doing his business in the town. That would explain many things. He was trying to be very visible. A true psychopath. Poor girls, he was playing with them for days. And why he didnt take their phones? He knows this area by heart. He knows theres no signal too well. Again, poor girls.
It was mentioned in one of the documentaries about this case..he seemed to be omnipresent but this doesn't make him a murderer.
The question why the emergency calls stopped on the day the search started seems crucial to me:
Were they brought to another location that day?
Were they able to escape in the night the strange photos were taken but didn't find a way out of the "jungle hell"?
The thing I found most suspicious is why he felt the need to enter their home, because he was worried, but then when he saw they were missing he decided to wait for 7 hours before contacting the police
This was 1000% a murder. in my opinion there’s just no way they fell and drowned. this was a major coverup too, at least a cover to make sure tourism wasn’t harmed.
That's what I believe. I traveled myself to central and south America and saw first hand how sketchy the police are there. Like you can pay them nothing to keep a murder quiet. They work with the gangs themselves. It's terrifying. If it came out they were murdered, their town would severely suffer from money, their country too and they weren't willing to risk that.
Theyre defending their friend, that fucked up. "What? stupid idiot. now we have to lie to everyone. Make them believe they ran in to the forrest, and disappeared. And, if they are making us look for them, take their stuff and parts of their corpses, and throw it all over the forrest!".
Happens alot in southeast asia
@@gertjanvandermeij4265 ….what the fuck
Ppl fall n drowm all the time.
Ive seen several videos on this and you did such a fantastic job in this recap. I learned so mamy new things i hadn't before. Keep up the good work!
The taxi driver's own suspicious death a year later could mean the locals knew it was him and decided to quietly take care of their problem... or maybe the tour guide was tying up a loose end that was about to spill the beans. Great analysis, but a very frustrating case...
LIKELY, yes.
This case reminded me of the story of my cousin's best friend who visited Cuba on 2004 to never comeback to her family.
She was traveling alone and had found a taxi driver well know for his "decency and good manners " to drive her around.
After 3 days of her arrival, she was found beheaded and her body thrown in the jungle. Belonging there and money stolen. Her family was informed 1 month later. They didn't check before because they were used that's she'd leave without notice or tell about her whereabouts.
After investigations, turned out that the taxi driver was the one.
Growing up with this story, I was always cautious and would always send the taxis plate numbers to my family/friends even within my own city. Bad people are everywhere.
Holy shit, I'm sorry for your cousin
That's awful. So sorry 😞
Was he connected to other cases too? That definitely isn’t something somebody does on a whim.
Im sorry that happened. :(
Brutal...
Great people, huh?
For me the distance of Kris from Lisanne in the last pics taken are not so strange. When you first set out on a hike, you are motivated, full of energy and happy to stop and enjoy the moment with your friend, taking selfies but as you go along, it gets tiring and harder and it seems like Kris just wanted to get the where they were going. I've gone on hikes before with two friends and there were big distances between us at times. Once I got so annoyed I just turned back and went back to the car. You can annoy each other and the never ending path can get irritating to some people and can divide the best of friends. Some people cope better under tiring circumstances. Others do not.
Thank you for this! Especially if the other girl had been injured, say if she had fallen and twisted her ankle, it makes sense that she got slower and fell further behind. I really do not believe there was anyone responsible for their deaths.
I've read tons of articles about this disapperance. I think this is a typical example of getting lost in the jungle - despite the weird discovery of the backpack. Survival experts say after getting lost people usually survive 1-2 weeks in the jungle before they succumb to the elements which fits into this scheme (emergency calls). The person without proper survival skills usually dies of hypothermia, dehydration or (fall) injury.
And about the guide: a lot of men abuse women in many ways but only few of them could actually kill somebody... especially weird for a guide whose good reputation is everything to his business.
@@JG-kk1mr same..it really looks like they got lost and eventually were dehydrated confused anf at that stage you can become irrational and not behave in a „normal“ way…forget your I phone pin etc..
@@alexib2070 I’m confused how that would explain the picked clean bones the foot in the shoe the random shoe and the rolled up piece of skin
My thoughts exactly. You get tired and indeed people don’t necessarily walk at the same pace . Happens to me often to end up walking ahead at my pace and then having to wait for the others to catch-up.
I've been watching your content for 2 years now, just want to say , Thank you! I'm subsribed and can't wait to hear more. Grew up in Maine and the couple stories you told, even though they are erie, is great! Please don't stop!
That was the scariest story I've ever heard. Told over a crackling bonfire 🔥. It was so intelligent and well done.
Dude if that review doesn't trigger some investigation... Don't know what will. Well done video, very in depth!
@Jim Marbaz i think this was more so just that person expressing that there SHOULD be another investigation opened, which is a perfectly reasonable thing to think.
@@Elena-bk4fs nah
The Panama police seem unconcerned and seem to have buried it more.
I think when they stopped taking selfies together, one of the girls was already dead and the perpetrator was taking the photos... probably forcing her to go somewhere else which is why the bones were not found for so long.
I've been telling people for years that there is foul play. It's not a miracle that their belongings are in pristine condition. It was deliberately left in the open by the killer when he/she/they found out that the police are using sniffer dogs which will eventually lead the investigators to their location so might as well get rid of it. Someone stalked those girls. There is a murderer in that area.
I don't think so. I think that by this time they are starting to get concerned that they're lost and are trying to find their way back. The one girl was still taking pictures because panic hadn't completely set in yet, so she's still thinking to take pics. The other girl looks stressed but not scared and still manages a smile in one of the photos and is looking at the camera without fear. At some point, one girl dies, and the other takes her phone and leaves it off. When her own phone dies she starts trying to use her friend's phone but doesn't know the pin.
It's already been confirmed for a long time that the photos taken in the jungle were a way for the girls to illuminate their path. They were, after all, in a deep and dark jungle, and injured. People not from that region have no idea just how dark and maze-like that kind of woods can be.
They took pictures with flash in order to see where they were going. At one point, a picture was taken of the other girl's head apparently to check if she had a head injury or not. Then, some photo was deleted, maybe to save space on the phone (these were old phones back in the day) or for some other reason.
It is highly unlikely that any foul play was involved. But since people don't like hearing boring, realistic explanations like injury + wild animals, they make up all kinds of stuff, like that there are serial killers hiding out in the woods, or that they were followed by somebody into the woods, or that even a "lost tribe" had eaten them or some similar racist conspiracy theory shit.
@@hermionestranger4964 That's what they want you to think.
@@potato-whiz That's what they want you to think.
I'm really, really thankful for this in-depth analysis that shines light on the possibility of foul play. Whenever there is a disappearance and people don't have an immediate answer, they're too quick to say, "oh just an accident." However, I'm glad that this video makes it clear that it could have been an accident or it could have not been one at all. The man interviewed around roughly 30 mins does an excellent job of highlighting the suspicion of a single deleted photo. As he so cleverly notes, if you're lost in the woods and desperate, the last thing you're doing is going far out of your way to delete a single photo. Heck, I personally rarely delete photos because if they're garbage they're garbage. The piece about the rolled-up skin is also an important reason for pause. And the shorts too and other details ... well, you get the point. Anyway, altogether an in-depth and just analysis. Thank you for your upload.
I remember hearing about the true crime Smiley Face murders where all the evidence points towards murder but police keep denying that anything sinister may be going on. I think we need to wonder, in this case too, whether police or authorities are covering things up due to corruption or fears of losing tourism revenues, mitigating the chances of a lawsuit, etc. I wish someone would interview all the tour guides, surrounding locals, and even police in great detail.
If I was ever given a chance to just magically know exactly what happened in any unsolved disappearance it would be this one.
I feel the exact same way with this and many cases, but then we know they died and it's just a matter of the horrific hows that keep us from permanent nightmares about it.
And little Madeleine McKay😢
That "tour guide" murdered those girls. Rest in peace to them. I hope justice is served to that despicable man someday
The weird part is that there were no attempts to call emergency again, even a fully locked iPhone is stil able to call for emergency
I don't think an iPhone could do that back in mid-2014.
GSM phones - if that's what they had - can all make emergency calls even when locked and even with no SIM card (assuming you have a signal and battery). My Nokia 3310 was capable of this in 1999.
It can call an emergency number. Question is whether that is 112 or 911. It might not matter if it connects. But it could still seem futile.
@@john1v6 nokia 3310. the greatest of all time.
@@john1v6well my Nokia 3310 could do lots of things my current one can’t. It was the best 😃
It's pretty weird that her phone connects with emergency services for 2 seconds but she doesn't try to call back until 4 hours later. You would think of it connected at all, that she would try to immediately call back to reconnect a signal.
You made it very interesting to watch and easy to understand. Almost Netflix. Bravo!
Im pretty convinced that this was a murder. Rest in peace kris and lisanne 😟😭
Whether it was an accident or murder, either way, those girls must have been TERRIFIED. And the shocking thing is that we will NEVER 100% know what happened to them. Only they know the answer to that and they aren't around to tell us x
Me too. No goodbye video? Nothing that even comes close to a "goodbye i will probably die, i love you"? No recording, just some useless night photos? This is 100% murder IMO.
Watch Dark Rose's psychic reading on YT and see what you think. Makes sense to me.
@@implosionwombat2243 watch Dark Rose's psychci reading on yt, makes sense to me.
All things add up to that,someone knew their schedule.
This case is intriguing. Unfortunately, those two women seemed to be genuinely good people with a fulfilling life ahead of them. Tragic.
i mean we can nick-pick what they did wrong or right but honestly they did everything fine, in hindsight you can say everyone does mistakes everyday, they were in a group of two of them, better then one. obviously someone had bad intentions.
Such a shame what happened to the poor girls. I must say that it wasn’t a good idea for them to go on the hike even in the daytime. Especially just the 2 of them.
Yes...😥😥
Excellent report! The delivery of this story is brilliant. You definitely kept my interest!
Thanks very much, I hope you'll check out other videos
This one was super spooky as I am a traveler and have been a wee bit nervous at times and for reasons perhaps. As always. Thank you and I DO love your campfire. Really well done.
I've always been terrified of taking taxis, people always ask me when I travel abroad alone, why I take public transport religiously. I've never understood why people, women especially, see it as the safer option
Its good practice, they really are used for kidnaping a lot
I’m terrified of taking taxis too!
I’ve had two terrifying taxi encounters, Montreal and Mexico. Never again.
I worked for an airline traveled a lot the pilots warned you wherever I went never get in a taxi cab there’s other ways to get around
Get in one, just never alone and if you have no choice ask to see his license first. Take a photo and send it to a friend along with your GPS coordinates
Well, I think we all learned something here…
…if traveling to Panama, don’t hire Feliciano as your tour guide. 😬
dont travel at all
At least not as a woman..
@@servety8472 lol you can travel just roll with a deep crew. and if youre alone stay on point. i used to travel in large packs but now im usually alone.
This is the best presentation of this case, that I’ve come across! Well done sir!
Great channel. Some of the best storytelling I have ever heard! Bravo!
There is another review on F's trip advisor by a women who related how uncomfortable he made her. This is from 2022, the other negative review by a women is from 2019. The latest says (translated):
"I'm surprised that I only read 1 negative review... It seems that Feliciano is very well protected against negative reviews. Unfortunately I only read the positive reviews before I left. Feliciano was super friendly, helped me, held my hand during the climbs on the pianista trail. Until I realized that that help was only there for me, not for my 3 fellow travelers. In the days that followed, I was besieged by messages, invitations,... During a horse ride and a trip to hot springs, he suddenly turned out to be our driver (while he had nothing to do with horse riding) and he got into the hot spring. Not exactly what you expect from a taxi driver. I didn't feel comfortable in his surroundings and was very happy that my fellow travelers had accompanied me so that I wasn't alone with him, which was what he meant. In the 3 days I was in Boquete, I got constant messages asking to come to his home,... Enthusiastic guide, but I have my doubts about his intentions... As a European woman, don't go alone..."
wait is that true? where is the link please..i cant find that commment
@@juliannfloress3490 there’s one from 2022 in Dutch, you can Google it easy, is it legit tho…
is it actually real though? anyone can write a review..
Yeah i remember it
It’s crazy that this nasty raper just lives normal live and continues doing his nasty things
The cab driver was ready to spill the beans. I think he wanted money to keep silent and threatened to talk. That's when the tour guide killed him too.
Good callout. I keep forgetting that the cab driver was killed
Definitely a possibility.
That's a good theory. What are the chances the cab driver would die so soon after the girls bodies were found...
Oh my gosh! I think you're right!!!
I'm sorry, did I miss something here? The cab driver was murdered?
You are so right about how terrifying it must be to be lost in the middle of a pitch black jungle and no way to even start a fire. Those pictures at night are the stuff of nightmares!
They were abducted and killed . The pictures in the dark were made by the perpetrators
@danhi8660 Sadly I think you're right. 2 really pretty girls like that are a huge target. I'm guessing a younger native or 2 seen them on the trail and stalked them. Then I think they kept them alive for a bit before they were done with them. That would explain all the times the wrong password was entered on the phone. I don't think they are forgetting their password and if one of them did fall and hurt themselves the other one could've went for help
best analysis I've seen of this story. brilliant. thank you.
To suddenly find bones under a tree in the forest, an area that was already combed by searchers, along with his house in that very area they went missing, plus the fact that the clothes were basically in pristine condition, the rolled up skin had not decayed as it should have, F being in the girls room for 30 minutes after their disappearance (why??) , F knows much more than he is letting on. His body language is off and he's suspiciously too close to this case. In addition, the review written by another female backpacker who told of F saying to her he would cut her legs off, I believe he knows exactly what happened. I'd also like to know who got the reward money .
Sadly Panama is too corrupt and won’t do anything.
And he is the only one who could used a computer to delete that photo as his house is near
And he is the only one who could used a computer to delete that photo as his house is near
@animton شيطان الجحيم (EO2021 lol what? Anyone could use a computer to do that, but the question is why? And then return the camera to the backpack? If they were trying to erase evidence of themselves, then just destroy the camera, why go thru the hassle of having to connect it to a PC??
@@billblaski9523 F is the one who knows. Who got the reward money? F ? Why delete a photo, maybe it was of him, his house, something incriminating. He knows way more. The girls were murdered viciously for a reason. F knows
Dude..I couldn't wait for the sun to rise this morning. My 3 a.m. hangover and this creepy and deep ass story had me so paranoid. Thanks for breaking it down so well. The photos scare the shit outta' me.
They had the same effect on me. Thanks for watching man, really appreciate it
Ok but why was this me this morning
Same here. Absolutely terrifying. Your work is really appreciated.
Thanks very much
Same. im so hooked and intrigued in this mystery. even at morning it scares me
Very extensive and analytic coverage of an unsolved crime. Hope to see more of this. Congratulations for a job well done❤
Several people living nearby to the trail most likely know exactly what happened. Good presentation, thank you!
To answer your question "why did the girls keep walking north?" Only excuse for that would be to reach a cellphone connection. It's ironic that the girls never sent an email or text about the danger they were in. Lisanne text her dad when they were upset about the Spanish class being canceled. I'm very confident that Kris would give her friend the password to her phone, or viseversa under dangerous circumstances. I'm going with your theory. I believe they were murdered.
But they had no connection so how they are supposed to send an e-mail or a message? If they could, they would contact the police? I'm sure they were murdered also. Very unlikely if this was an accident.
@@danid.2601 Not fully sure on that, but dont unsuccessfully sent messages and emails save inside the device? They could have written a letter in some notebook app too.
If the culprit deleted an image, he might have deleted any other emails or stuff too from their phones.
if they didn't have any connection. how could they send an e mail to anyone
@@luarena Why didn't the girls take any photos with their cellphones? They only mention camera photos. If they were in trouble they could've shot a video clip to state their situation. Nothing makes sense. Why are the dog
Blue, in none of the first photos? Why is there no more day time photos after that? But still no cellphone photos?
I definateley believe the Tour guide had a lot to do with the two girls disappearance ...I actually believe he was covering everything up.. Bleaching the bones etc ,body parts being placed in various places across the jungle to through investigators of the trail. He needs to be severely interrogated.. I rest my case .. My heart goes out to the girls parents and love ones !
Wow I am so impressed by your coverage of this case, amazing work!! This case has haunted me for years! They definitely met foul play.
You should definitely consider doing more deep dives like this one.
Yes.
Why did the guide need to spend 30 minutes in their room, and why did their host allow it?
Because he is the killer. I can’t understand how this case was so bungled. At least by the Dutch investigators. Can’t trust third world police
i think the guide was looking for any proof of wat he did to the girls. Like any notes the girls may have written of something shady they felt from that creeper. Maybe he knew of the diary the girls kept and thought they wrote stuff about him. He bribed or threatened the host and that's why he was allowed in the room. The guide definitely is the one who killed the girls. All the clues are there. Like the bad reviews from other women, the machete, his coffee farm and hw well he knows the jungle. Police is bribed from him,too. Just giving my opinion and from listening to some guesses that were mentioned at the end. Just like it happens in Mexico. Everyone gets bought with money. Sad wat ppl do to others for money. I pray that one day he gets caught. God rest the souls of the girls and give comfort to their families.✨🙏✨💞
Panama 🇵🇦 Turism is more important than Life
Yeah that's sketchy
Looking for trophies. Reliving the murder in their room - gave him complete power
The tour guide apparently went in their room while they were missing, searched where the phone charges were, stayed in their room for 30 minutes and then left. He didn't call the police right away but waited 10 HOURS before reporting them missing...that's more than enough time to do what he needed to do and take care of the bodies...One last thing, for some reasons he found most of the evidence even if it was in the middle of a huge jungle in pitch black...sounds like he was the one who put their body parts there from the first place...
Poor tour guide very implausible accusations. Why would the tour guide not have just waited until the next morning when a tour was booked with him? Why should he follow the two for hours in the jungle? How should a tour guide overpower two women? Why didn't the tour guide just take the cell phones? Who takes the trouble to spread bones for miles in the Jungle?
I think this tour guide was/is a responsible person who understandably worries immediately when his 2 female tourists go missing.
@@bintagmina3755 The taxi driver could work as a spotter for sex traffickers
@@philobetto5106 Yeah sure... or in the jungle lives a colony of escaped sex offenders. Everything is possible, the imagination has no limits
@@bintagmina3755 My opinion ... the hiking guide is guilty.
maybe the taxi driver
could have been an accomplice he was found dead months later face down in a mud puddle cause of death drowning
@@philobetto5106 Sorry for the affront. I just wonder why the cab driver let them get out in the first place. And why did he only catch up with them hours later? He could not have known whether and if so where the two are still. And also the tour guide. A tour with him was planned for the next day anyway. Why should he then wait for them on the hike?
I'm pretty sure that if the two had fallen victim to a "classic" sex crime, their intact corpses would have been found pretty quickly. I don't think they would have gone to the trouble of elaborately moving the bodies deeper into the jungle. What's the deal with the cell phones in particular.
New sub! This was greatly detailed, i also appreciate your story by a crackling fire! I also love the thought provoking questions.
Are all your videos by a fire?
Well done, Thank you sir!
This channel needs so much more recognition!!!
I hadn’t heard of this case until recently and happened to watch it on a pretty big channel. They left out soooo many details. You really did a fantastic job with this. So many details that really change the look of things. How scary for these young ladies. I absolutely believe the tour guide has something to do with this.
If the tour guide Feliciano Gonzalez was ever aggresively interrogated we would have a very disturbing,gruesome confession on how the girls died.
everyone would confess to something even if you had nothing to do with it if you were aggressively interrogated
Are you actually saying that the suspects should have been tortured, just because he happened to be a male local and the victims happened to be White women?
Are you an actual neo-nazi or something? Like do you possess the big dumb?
@@Bigjuicydumbdumb Torture never works. It's pure sadism. There are no "tactics". Any form of torture is a crime, no matter who does it. You people are just so heartless and thirsty for blood, that you want to pin a non-crime onto some guy you barely know because the accidental deaths of two girls in a foreign country isn't sensational enough for you. Jesus.
@@hermionestranger4964 delete yo comment my nigga
@@hermionestranger4964 Dehumanizing a person for a broad statement that caused your emotional-rant is alarming. Reflect and Consider Seeking professional help. Stay safe and have Good day/Night.
As a Brazilian, this case hits me hard. I know what some evil people are capable to do, specially here in Latin America. Ordinary people who lives off tourism tends to try to have any advantage on the tourists as we call ‘’Pra gringo é mais caro’’ which means ‘’For foreigns is more expensive’’ and this sometimes is not only for prices. Whoever killed the girls took advantage of their lack of knowledge of the region, language and the people.
I’m terrified.
In European media statements like yours are getting more and more ostracised, because people fear to be "politically incorrect" for calling other countries "dangerous".
Thanks for telling the truth, mate!
Thank you for sharing and I'm so sorry that you have to live in terror. Be safe.
I think that for all Latin Americans this hits pretty hard, the fact that this happened close to the south border of my country really scares the heck outta me, I really feel like Latin America is on a downward spiral, violence has certainly really taken over all of our countries more than ever, pretending that our countries are not dangerous is foolish.
If you're going to travel to this area you need to make sure you're careful and travel with a group of friends at all times, and that everyone has working phones with signal at all times, if I feel unsafe in my own country than you as a tourist should too.
racism towards whites is rampant but not spoken much about, thanks for acknowledging it
Europeans, do not go to Latin America. You will be sitting ducks for the evil predators...
Thank you for covering this again. It’s always bothered me it’s never been solved. They deserve it in the LEAST ❤
The one thing I take from this.
If locals tell you not to go someplace, keep YOUR ASS OUT.
Omg the review of the tour guide….I also believe the authorities deleted the photo to protect the image of the area. Eph needs to be investigated. don’t go places like this alone ladies. And having another girl with you is STILL alone unless she’s Ronda Rousey.
The blonde hair was so clean! I have blonde hair. If I were lost in a jungle for 10 days, my blonde hair would be oily and disgusting. Makes me think someone liked the girl’s light hair and complexion and took advantage of them, then killed them and did some weird things to the bodies. What about the screaming that the locals heard?
What about the rolled up skin? My theory is the perpetrator kept Lisa alive for a time, killed her, scattered the remains (in this case skin) just so it could be easily written off as wildlife doing it's thing, the world is a messed up place, my theories might be far off from the truth and something much more sinister happened.
I didn’t even think of that but you’re right. Anyones hair would get dirty after that much time in the jungle, and it would be especially noticeable on such light hair. Very strange how it looked like she had just had a fresh shower ..
The locals have zero obligation of helping you or babysitting you, don't like it, don't go to any country, it is like this anywhere.
@@shinji5217 so someone is screaming for help and you hear it your telling me you wouldn’t go see what’s happening and trying to help
@@Venusiangirl222 exactly. It's my small children over them. You're a child so I would go help you.... Suzan?
I didn't even know about all of the tour guide's connections to the girls until now but when I heard the story my first thought was someone followed them into the jungle that day. It also sadly makes sense to me that the police in Panama would cover it up. They very much depend on tourism and 2 young girls being driven further and further into the woods for days and killed by a well known and liked tour guide, would without a doubt make tourist second guess a trip there. I just can't imagine how awful and terrifying their last days of life must have been and it just breaks my heart!
Definitely. They would keep it quiet so not to hamper tourism and they would investigate it quietly and deal with the suspected perpetrator/s quietly to protect tourism.
Ironically, since this has turned into such a well known mystery/true crime story with a lot of coverage, it was probably more harmful to them than two "simple" murder victims in a country where a lot of people get murdered by gang crime etc. anyway. They probably would've been long forgotten or unheard of by most.
My takeaway is defo to never ever go to Panama. 🙃
@BlinkVideoEdits I'm guessing you're a local 😉
So much corruption
brilliantly researched and eloquently presented through a perfect format. well done. I subscribed.
My friend sent me your video and i had to sub, you did such good research more than I had ever heard about this case
14:55 how could it be? after 7 days in rain forest, hair of kris is ultra clean. not just clean that hair is super clean.
And her hair strands doesn't look like as if they were being pulled down by gravity, one might expect if the person in the picture is in the upright position (sitting or standing).
Note aso the perfect photo, crisp and not blurry and without any artifacts like fingers or water droplets from the rain. The photographer clearly tried to focuss on the hair only and was careful to not provide any context, like surroundings which could reveal the actual position and state of Kris' body (or the missing rest of it).
Additionally, Kris' hair looks not only super clean but also very dry, considering the rainy weather on the rest of the night photos, which all of them have been taken in the early morning of April 8th according to metadata.
Also, if you go through the trouble to attach a camera to a computer, just to delete one photo, why put the camera back? Why did they need to go through the trouble to delete it, and leave the camera to be found. Why not just smash up, and get rid of the camera?
@@Lol78209 if the broken smashed camera was found later it might have suggested a foul play, so, maybe that's why the perpetrator(s) didn't.
@@pranat1894 call me crazy but i dont believe smashed up buried cameras get dug up and found all that often
I agree.....after 7 days in the forest, I'd expect to see more grime and oil in her hair, considering the elements they were in. The other thing that stood out was that her hair is very messy. She'd always had her hair tied back in a ponytail or a knot. This photo was one that chilled me the most. She doesn't look upright or conscious. Just strange.
If only the trees, forest floor, and the sky could speak!!!;(
And the dog as well
@@ingridrudorfer5714 I was thinking about that dog too... if the dog could talk we may have had the answers....
Just the trees johnny just the trees
@@danielrsson2171
Sherlock Holmes: “To the curious incident of the dog in the night-time.”
Gregory: “The dog did nothing in the night-time.”
Sherlock Holmes: “That was the curious incident.”
@@ingridrudorfer5714 the dog had returned back that morning itself as the girls left for the trial. How could it know?
I never quite understood why young girls like that have this urge to go to dangerous places like that and do risky things, even more so than men of the same age who you'd expect to show even more of that behaviour - but they don't.
Youthful hubris
I bet at least the same number of young men travel abroad like this. If you disagree of uphold your claim please show us some proof.
Unfortunately women of all ages are more often victims of violence. Men look for easy targets.
there are numerous studies that cover this, plus the fact that women take up the vast majority of travel decisions. the reason why is always unknown, though - which is weird considering the dangers they face in some places compared to men.
@@Celisar1
When you’re young, you think you’re invincible. You think that horrible things only happen to _other_ people, but they can’t happen to you. This is why car accidents are more common among young drivers too. Unfortunately, people often don’t learn until tragedy hits close to home.
its not just young people, its young girls you constantly see doing risky trips and ending up dead @@Andy-xx3tt
Good job on your investigation and thoughtful analysis. I’m a new subscriber now. Best wishes. ❤
I have watched this story on so many different channels, but to be honest, this is the best version I have seen. The amount of genuine research and hard work that you have done is very clear.
Thank you so much ❤️
A new subscriber here 😊
Thank you, I think it's important to try and represent things accurately so that's what I try to do
I agree
Keep up the good work 👍
@@PeakedInterest I also like the format of the video, presenting all the facts first and then proceed to analysing them, accompanied by clues and photos. Brilliant stuff.
I concur with everything you wrote.
What do u think about those weird photos taken in the dark??
This case really gives me the creeps.
Amazing video! ❤
Always trust your intuition
1st time I've watched your channel. Liked and subscribed. Great coverage of this case. RIP to these young ladies.
It's really too bad that people can't explore places without things happening.
Welcome to the human race Joe! If aliens ever landed on planet Earth, I sometimes wonder how long it would be before one of them was s3xua11y assaulted by someone. Personally, I suspect that aliens would give us a wide berth if they do any research into us. Your comment made me think, despite being so short. Warmest regards 😉
Take a machinegun nothing will happen
Es ist ja nicht so dass sowas ständig passiert
You cant go anywhere nowdays.
you´ll never read about places where nothing happens
Oh my godt! This is why I don’t travel solo or with strangers. I’m so sorry for what happened to these ladies. They set out to do something good and ended up being harmed
A shame women can't travel alone. Rather, men should be taught to treat women with respect and decency. All around the world!
I do travel alone but always to safer countries. I also check everything beforehand and pay for hotels that are located in good areas. I don't go out at night and I pretty much look like a local because I don't check the map all the time and kind of walk as if I knew the place. I would never go to South America alone though.
@@MsDezsoe be careful, love. Things happen in the damndest places
@@MsDezsoe it could happen anywhere even in the safest place in the world there is always bad people in every corner of the world
@@redbarberry Also, 20 yo girls from a wealthy nordic country should be taught by their absent parents not to travel alone to poor, dangerous countries.
Wow! Great video! Enjoyed it all the way thru!
great video, really entertaining, especially the section when you talk to us with the fire crackling nearby, really immersive
In a vídeo recorded by Kris parents in a search, the guide speaks in spanish "D, I told you to not tell them anything". He also keeps on leading the parents and have a creepy vibe and smile.
Link to video ?
@@goyaame4517 it’s on Scarlet R channel.
if they fell in the river, wouldnt their phones have gotten wet and stopped working?
Another reason why it's such an unlikely theory
the part where they local told those two tourists not to go in the forest Bc they heard screams the night before and a loud crash is really interesting. But I still feel they were murdered for sure.
It's not only the phones, ... it is also the camera ... that miraculously worked after being such a long time in the jungle exposed to the elements and supposedly feel into the streaming raging water. And then there's that missing photo 509 that got deleted, but got deleted on a laptop or computer. This whole story smells like a cover-up.
@@Spongebob0911 how do they know it was deleted on a computer?
@@fehyndana7725 watch the video. He mentions the details of it.
VERY well done!!! You covered pretty much everything and there is still so many unanswered questions. Honestly we will never really know what happened but in my opinion the "lost in the jungle" theory just doesn't hold water to me.
One lesson to learn is that tourists should avoid going to these shady places, particularly hiking trails, except without in a small group. The identity and the photos of taxi drivers and tour operators should be posted to someone back home on a daily basis in case of exigencies.
Not to accept food, cigarettes or drink from strangers and always being suspicious of overtly friendly strangers.