Gents. Sprinbok supporter here. I'm not one to comment often, but I feel I have to just say that you guys are not only the best rugby podcast in NZ, but possibly the world. No hyperbole. Always measured, thoughtful and insightful. Thank you very much. While I'm at it, a couple of random notes regarding the ABs from a South African perspective: 1. PSDT, Kwagga and Cheslin are three of our best players. They play in Japan. Letting your players play overseas not only exposes them to different ways of playing, but forces your local clubs to improve player development. Take our locks, if Eben, Lood, Mostert, Snyman played in South Africa these past 4 years, we would not have Ruan Nortje now. The big argument for keeping the best players in your country is that it strengthens the local league, this might be true, but not to the extent administrators in England and NZ believe. The sooner you let your top players play international club rugby, the sooner your team will get back to nr 1. 2. There are a few players you need to re-evaluate. Sevu Reece just isn't good. Sam Cane is incredible, stop doubting him and just write his name in pen on the team sheet until he can't play anymore. Richie Mo'unga is the best 10 in the world. You need to get him back and have your next 10 be his understudy, otherwise you lose the 'generational handover'. 3. This is a special Springbok group. I think it's inaccurate to say 'the ABs are building' and playing against a 'settled Springboks team'. This is not the case. The Springboks are also rebuilding, they're blooding young talent, missing some key players, kicking for the corners instead of taking points and making more errors than we've seen them make in 8 years - because they're changing their game plan. The difference between the teams is not that one is building and the other is not, it's that one has a brand new coach and the other has Rassie. Back Razor 100%. He's your best option, he just needs time. 4. This is good for the AB's. The thought of an AB group that knows how it feels to lose, that understands pressure and knows how to handle it is a scary thought. In fact, if you manage these next 18 months well and don't panic, I think we're in trouble. Much respect!
I do love reading the South African comments. No wonder kiwis rugby players love travelling to SA. They seem so respectful, coupled with their extreme hospitality, especially to ex NZ players. It’s my mission to travel to SA to watch the ABs and get amongst the party atmosphere BBQs before I retire.
I am just here to say this is always the superior show to The Breakdown. I watch The Breakdown to point and laugh and I come here to actually get educated.
Yeah 100% - the host of this show is trying to get the technical best of his guests’ knowledge instead of being a clown, Jip has a really valuable self-awareness and awareness of sports psychology that allows for all sorts of analysis angles, and Bryn is really humble (as a very good player) and allows us to see into the mind of a guy playing every week at the top levels and to understand how players approach each new law and challenge.
I'm a Saffa now living in NZ. When I first visited NZ in the 90s, the place was on fire for rugby in a huge way. It was like the whole country was rugby-mad. In SA, rugby was still seen as a sport for some, but not everyone. I went back to SA for a project just before the RWC after living in NZ for a year and the change in atmosphere was telling. The whole of SA has now embraced rugby. There were big screens and beer absolutely everywhere - in all of the cities and small towns and townships. Somehow the situation had reversed. The whole country of SA is now eating and sleeping rugby and because few South Africans can afford expensive sports channels, watching the Springboks at big-screen TV venues or shebeens (traditionally illicit taverns) has become a community event. In SA, many fans don't just watch rugby at home in front of the TV. You braai with friends or go to the pub or join a whole community to share the cost of the screening. SA is likely to be massive over the next 10 years as over 60-million people now grow in passion for rugby and the Springboks. To say nothing of how winning on a global stage will encourage Africans as a whole. I suspect that from Kenya south, rugby could easily take off in a big way. Of course, that's great for the game in general. But it's only really good if steel sharpens steel - so we in NZ will need to match that kind of passion for the game.
Theres a few issues there. The old Apartheid regime during the 1980s pushed rugby hard for the NP voting white and cape coloured populations. So ZA Rugby was a very state led and propagandised product in the 1980s, when arguably the Bokke would have been the best in the world. In 1994 the rugby authorities saw a huge potential to grow the game but ironically it was the ANC who held the development back as they just wanted the funds, the Madiba magic and didnt care so much about grass roots rugby. The untapped potential has always been there but the issue I see is that the African bantu players are not coming through in the numbers expected. Many say that, like Indians, theyre not massively suited culturally to a full contact sport. Then theres learning the rules from a young age. Also notice that the successful african players, like Siya and Sacha went to some of the best schools in the world from a young age. The crowds at the beer drinks and on social media often reveal they know very little about rugby and my guess is that the support will drain the moment SA stops winning. Rassie is doing a good job bringing through some players but in the back row and second row he hasnt done a good job at bringing on the youth. My feeling is that, if the results go away from ZA, then this newfound support - most of whom dont play the game or understand it that well - will evaporate.
@@globallatitude-dmacorporat5886 being a Kiwi I must say I am impressed with the crowds over there and they are genuinely excited about the game, I think we are a victim of our own success in NZ we got so used to winning for so long we got a little bored with it and begged for better competition and we got it, now it's SA turn at the top...the hard part is staying there, you'll know what I mean when it happens, it wasn't that long ago SA rugby was an absolute basket case, I'm impressed with the Bok team they look very good at the moment, this new AB coaching team isn't that far off where they want to be, believe me you have poked the bear now they will come back at you guys enjoy it while you can.
@@rikkimason54 this Bok coaching staff and team are fully aware that success can change anytime and this is why they are planning for succession and longevity . We had some terrible results and we don’t forget that .
Surely the All Blacks have to put the record on the line next season when we tour NZ. Can you imagine the intensity, the atmosphere, the storyline. You've got the back to back champs, unbeaten in 4 meetings traveling to Eden Park "The Black Fortress" That could be the game of the century.
NZ should have a combination by then.....and (hopefully) NO TJ PERENARA ....these losses are a good thing for NZ...time to grow again...we will never lose sight of the game, we just have to find it again...it's not far...
As a Saffa I honestly think that New Zealanders over-analyse everything.....these games were so close, so take heart. Its just not your time right now. Boks are class, period
As a South African Bok supporter I agree. These 2 teams are the best of the best. It's the tenacity of the Boks as well as, once again African wild dog mentality that pulls them through...not really the game play itself as bok these teams plays phenomenal rugby, albeit missed goals and opportunities here and there..I think tje latter is due to the fact that they are bok so good at what they do, that it is sometimes just the nerves or eagerness to win
A few years ago springboks lost close games where they were the better team on the field. The roles are reversed. Experience and cool heads win matches. This team has it even on their poorest days. AB always had this ability.
Agree - NZ way to technical, as Andy Farrel said after the pool game at WC , you know what you up against when playing SA, and you need to be ready for it, and need to ensure you stay in front on the score board. There is a blue print on Rassie's coaching - You play tight and tick the score board over with threes, then when you ahead with 12 to 15 points, then only you start the open up the game. So many examples over the past 20 years where he coached.
As a South African, personally NO rugby game is as important to us than playing the AB's. The rivalry and the respect is unrivalled in any sport. I believe the AB fans feel the same, so that is why when there is a loss on either side, it is deeply felt. I can remember the '81 tour getting up at 4am, hoping to see a brilliant game only for it to be spoilt.....it was heartbreaking. One can watch and see how the players feel about these games.
As a South African, this is undoubtedly my favourite review show following a Test weekend. I thoroughly enjoyed James Parsons as a player, but as an analyst he is otherworldly. A future ABs coach guaranteed. Also the host is excellent and clearly does his research. Chins up fellas - we’ve been there and are proof that the wheel turns. ABs are too good a team to continue this spiral. The Aussies on the other hand…I’m extremely worried about the sport Down Under and fear the worst…
Boks outsmarted the ABs by one click, outscored them by one score. It is a psychological edge they now possess and it is all it takes to win test matches
Guys, you have a really really great show and I love how genuine you each are: none of you three are clowns or need to fabricate drama or tension; you’re all secure with yourselves and your char cos you’re absolute fountains of sports knowledge and people-skills, and it’s an absolute pleasure to listen to - and not just when you’re analyzing the Boks. Please continue what you’re doing and I hope your show gets the right rewards and sponsors, you guys deserve it all
As for South African rugby, truly, they're on top of the mountain,thanks to the blessing of having a genius coach, Rassie Erasmus. They're in space New Zealand used to be, most feared and respected by other countries. I am totally confident that All Blacks will turn the tide, and the best is yet to come out of them! Because, they play great rugby 🏉!
The Boks were already good when SA had a limited population to field, due to an oppressive political ideology. Enters legend president Mandela 30 years ago, and we add 20 million men to the pool, in 1994. Just like that. These changes have now seen two new generations of young players emerge, talented, eager and hungry for the green jersey. We’ve only just gotten started, the depth of talent is incredible. There are unbelievably skilled players in schools rugby right now, all frothing for a spot on the international stage. Siya is their role model, the boks success their inspiration. Ominous signs for other world rugby contenders. The future of SA rugby looks bright!
As a South African, and proud Bok supporter, I believe the AB is and always will be an excellent team. What puzzle me is how the AB do not recognize or select their oversea based players, it is the professional era, and the oversea based players will bring an extra dynamic to the team. Rassie understands this very well, Rugby is a professional sport, and this means players will move around.
Most of our overseas players are past it. The few that are still under 35 either were never seriously in the frame for national selection, didn´t measure up when they were, or now play for other countries. This is a non-issue for NZ actually, and it´s only delusional, contrarian casual fans who like to claim that hauling Brodie Retallick (who was never the same player after his shoulder injury in 2019) or Ritchie Mo´unga (who played more then 50 tests and yet never mastered the art of the clearing kick) back from their cushy retirement gigs in Japan would make all the difference to this current All Black team. It´s a childish, short-termist fantasy that would inevitably destroy the domestic game and would barely benefit the national squad.
Im a Saffa, but I have a lot of respect for the AB team. They have these amazing slick back line players that can create space very quickly and tries as well.
Springboks have missing players such as Faf, Snyman, Wellemse and Mostert and spicy plum😅. All blacks missing players as well such as Richie, ratallick and Smith but the boks just keep on winning. Alot of people are saying the boks forwards won't make it to the next world cup because of age, all I can say don't hold your breath. All blacks gave it all and well fought but the boks are just on another level. We have depth that is deeper than the Atlantic ocean.😊😊
@karinboran7894 did you read the comment above?We have players waiting in the wings unheard off by you and the world in the thousands year in and year out...even right now...as for Rassie he will just be fine ...Rugby is in the DNA of South. Africa...coaches and players alike...your salty comment is uncalled of and of poor taste...I hope you're embarrassed
The Boks didn’t play that well, had a high unforced error count as they also rebuild as a team and try a new style of play. The Boks defence is huge and the AB’s threw a lot at the line but the defence held. The bomb squad and use of the bench is telling in those last 30mins…. AB’s still looking good and on a positive trajectory so just a bit more time needed for the coach and team to get it to gel.
Everybody here in SA knows AB's, are a very good team and that if these games were played over in NZ it propably would have gone the other way, all in all some lekker rugby
All Black fans need to relax, we Bok fans have had our tough times as well. As soon as those youngsters gain some experience they will be a force again
Yep, All Blacks have had bad years as well. I'm not fussed about our losses as I can see definite improvement from match to match. Kinda just wish we could ban NZ media from press events tbh, would make them way less toxic 🤣
Keep saying this. It’s nowhere near as bad as some ABs fans make out. ABs are rebuilding, the Boks are experimenting, both played less that their potential and still produced probably the 2 test matches of the year. The results didn’t go our way but the Rugby was great, we saw young players take their chance and shine, we saw great spectacles at both venues. The Boks have a generational team with a generational coach and the ABs have them a blimmen good go. Boks supporters got to see what the team has been experimenting with, ABs supporters got to see the direction this team is heading. Win win in my opinion.
Credit to Rassie & the Springboks 🤝 not sure what Razor was thinking leaving a fatigued Tyrel Lomax on past 70... I hope Sevu Reeces time in black is up, Tavatavanawai looks like he is doing everything he can to earn a call up
Lomax was keeping parity in the scrums, and good on maul defense. I think Razor didn't want to risk giving us ascendancy in those areas towards the end of the game.
Agree on Lomax, I felt he had an awesome 65mins but fatigue just caught up with him. Reece at his best is an unpredictable exciting ball of energy but his decision making has been poor in black this year - slapping the ball back against Argentina/yellow card against boks. Even the Marx try was made easier by him seemingly losing concentration (although I doubt he had much chance anyway!).
SA vs NZ just doesn’t disappoint, every second was entertaining. I don’t think the AB’s are in any sort of trouble, we (SA) were just a little bit better for the full 80, and that can change in a heartbeat. NZ are still our biggest test of the year. Next year in NZ is going to be BIG!
The game has evolved, all the teams are far more professional now… wins and losses are moments in a game… Kiwis are just having to adjust that they are no longer miles ahead of everyone else… this is great for rugby as a whole. Perspective too, two titans playing against each other and games only decided in the last 1/4 and by less than a try…
South Africa 🇿🇦 are quite happy playing in the UK. I hated the time difference when we used to play Super Rugby in NZ. The change helped SA to be the best and world Champions 🏆.
I have coached club rugby ,school boy rugby and played club rugby from the 70s to 2008 . I'm very excited about this allblack team once they get the selection and game plan correct this team will become a great side
All Blacks need to be genuine and serious with getting good quality players for the bench or the bomb squad and to use all of them at least on the 60th minute mark
The NZRU are scared of losing 'intellectual property' to players based overseas that's why they refuse to pick New Zealand players based overseas. Losing South African teams and the Jaguares from Super Rugby has weakened the NZ players. They need to get with the times and pick the best players available, the game in this Country is already suffering with low attendance and low participation and we can't sustain players in this Country with the money offered overseas. I say open the selection criteria to the best players available not just NZ based players. Aaron Smith, Richie Mo'unga, Brodie Retallick, Leicester Fainga'anuku, Shannon Frizell as well as the injured Samisoni Taukei'aho and Cam Roigard would make a massive difference with this current side. South Africa have won two World Cups in a row and now dominate the All Blacks on a regular basis because they choose the best players available to them, meanwhile NZ remains stuck in the past with old way thinking.
I disagree. The NZL system actually has a higher success rate almost at same level as France of junior players making it into ABs. As a school boy how does seeing playing overseas players keep being selected feel for you aspiring to become an AB. They would never get the opportunity to play. If you watched Super Rugby you’d see NZL is flush with talent. They need experience that is all that is lacking.
Agree. You can only resist progress for so long. The good rugby structures will always produxe the talent that will rise to the top. And in turn they will be lured to green pastures. But this is no reason to exclude them from the national team.
So much misinformation in this comment. Super Rugby had good average attendance numbers this year that are actually on par with European club competitions, and a significant rise in viewership from home. Losing the Jaguares has only weakened Argentina, no one else. If you looked into overseas NZ players, you'd find that 99.9% of them are Super Rugby "rejects" (3rd-4th+ string players) who couldn't become season regulars. Aaron Smith and Retallick retired, they're not returning even if you changed eligibility. So what? We change the rules to get a centre/ wing we don't need, a hard hitting (woman-beating) loosie who we have replacement candidates for already, and a 10 we actually would benefit from? You'd change the rules all for one player? Ludicrous.
@@Kittz1301 Watching SR, NZ is flush with talent who play NZ rugby. You have no competition at SR level so it is nothing more than a glorified domestic league and one of the weakest competitions in the world. When you take that talent, especially your forwards, against stronger opposition, you falter. This is not my opinion, this is the statistical 5 wins from 16 games against France, Ireland and SA in your recent past. 31% win rate for the best sporting team the world has ever seen??? And so many of those losses go hand-in-hand with your forward pack not even managing to gain parity, let alone dominate.
Dear Rassie. You have made us proud. Congratulations on winning the RC this year. My hat off for the way in which you gave Manie Libbok an opportunity and he paid you back handsomely. May I suggest that you consider Sanele Nohamba, the Lions no 9 for the Springbok jersey. He will solve kicking dilemma you have with Manie when it comes to kicking for the posts. Sanele is highly reliable. He had been tried and tested. TV in
The 1986 South African team would've won two world cups as well. They arguably had the greatest player of all time playing center, who destroyed everyone he faced. The one and only Danie Gerber. He was the Maradona of rugby in the 80's. Simply untouchable. Naas Botha on 10, Jaco Reinach...the father of Cobus Reinach, Carl du plessis on wing and Micheal Du Plessis. That Springbok team was phenomenal.
The All Blacks played above themselves and lost. The boks played below themselves and won. The difference is confidence. Confidence in the systems implemented by a coach who's trust has been earned. The all blacks have just started with a new coaching team, new systems and new players. The coaches still need to earn the players trust and buy in into the game plan and strategies. These things take time. As a bok fan I have no doubt that by 2026 tour we'll have close the the polished all blacks of old and by the world cup we'll see the all blacks at their peak again. I just hope we're not peaking between world cups and we can keep this momentum going forward.
@@wlk2408 Yes, we saw what hubris did to the Irish, who according the fans, were already the greatest team of all time. I'm happy to give this team some time.
@@Marius_vanderLubbe I'm sorry but I don't agree. There are many instances where a team plays well and loses. The boks had a habit in the past of playing our best rugby against the all blacks and losing i.e 2013 game which is regarded as one of the best games of rugby ever and the 2015 world cup semi final where a missed Pollard drop goal was the difference. Also, during world cups you see many tier 2 teams play exceptionally well against tier 1 opposition yet still lose. Uruguay Vs France 2023 is a good example of this. No dude, you can absolutely play above yourself and still lose. Happens quite often actually.
People are talking as if the All Blacks were beaten by a lot in their recent losses. When the All Blacks were dominant, they were smashing the other teams, including South Africa. The All Blacks on the other hand are tracking very well for a new setup. And despite the losses they are not too far off from clicking and then they will be back to their winning ways.
The Kolbe lineout throw was 100% legal. Just lying about lineout rules. The rule says “Once the lineout is formed, players: a. From the team throwing in may not leave the lineout other than to change positions with other participating players”
Guys, remember the AB's are rebuilding, they've lost a few big name players and they have a new coach. They're improving game by game and it's the small things that are missing. Remember in 2018, the boks were going through the same thing. Rassie had a plan and built depth by possibly sacrificing some results at the expense of getting experience. Often you learn more from a lose than a victory. The boks have never been in a better state, but it took time, effort and a bit of sacrifice.
@SamWashkansky There is a difference. The Boks in 2015 lost to Japan and Argentina for the first time ever. They lost again to Argentina in 2016 and then added losing to Italy for the first time ever, got hammered 57/15 by ABs in Durban that same year and got hammered again 57/0 in 2017 in NZ. They hit rock bottom, so any improvement from there would be noticeable. 2017 They smashed Italy 35/6 in a revenge match. 2018, they beat NZ at Wellington and then World Champions in 2019. Under Foster, ABS were a little shaky at best. They weren't in the same state as the Boks were at their lowest. An argument can be made that they have slipped further losing 3 from the last 4 under Scott Roberston. In saying that, sometimes you have to take a step back before you move 5 steps forward. So I agree in a little bit more time we will know which way the ABs are going, forward/backward.
It felt like a team of 23 where all of the 23 had a pre determined role to play vs a team of 15 with 8 backup players on the bench in case of injury or fatigue.
Saffa here...always a good show lads, great content and analysis ! two things really that stand out for me is poor decisions by ABs and poor play by the boks trying to get to grips with 'Tonyball' Both teams are actually off Ireland's accuracy, physicality and all round game now.
Agreed. That looks the most logical for ABs. Although Beauden's kicking as unreliable as Manie Libbok, do you really want that in the tight/pressure games
Thanks for breaking it down boys! Agree that we need to persevere with the current group, and give them time to grow into international rugby. They have already made progress! They will achieve so much more in the next year or two.
I never accepted that the Boks were number one even though they won the World Cup but now that they’ve kicked our butts twice, especially both times coming from behind to do it, well now I’m convinced, they definitely deserve the number one tag😢
the pendulum of sport swings and swings again - ABs will be on top again soon - we SAcns absolutely have zero doubt about that. AB fans just need to be patient and keep the faith.
I think it’s Simple: AB’s and Boks are in two completely different phases. Boks are a long way into the Rassie regime. Good players who have transformed into Legends all retained from 2019, 2023 campaigns. They have the right and the luxury of seamlessly introducing exciting new talent… The AB’s on the other side are in full rebuild mode. Brand new coaching system, DMac only has just been given the keys, the young talent are becoming true starters.. with all that, the AB’s are still really REALLY close. It’s just gonna take time, but the AB’s are set to be dominant soon‼️
I think 2025 is definitely going to be game changing year... ABs during Graham Henry's, Hansen & Fozzie all had continuity which is what Springboks have right now. This is a new team and coaching group. So I believe 2025 the ABs will be a different beast. Not to mention the starting caps in Saturday's game: ABs = 660 vs Springboks = 982 😲😲
Of the 23 players in both teams, Boks had 10 players, and ABs had 10 players who were involved in that 57-0 loss to the ABs. Boks missing a few first choice guys as well in this series. We had quite a few less experienced guys playing: Moodie, Nortje, Grant, Jayden, Steenekamp, Sacha, Elrigh. We've also got new coaches, new systems, and new players. The one constant for us vs NZ though is that the core coaching group has remained the same
@@kristian762 Are you agreeing or disagreeing? Yes the Springboks had relatively new caps; however their coaching group is the same since 2021 after that defeat. Rassie was appointed the head coach shortly afterwards; even though Jacques Nienaber was head coach in 2020 - 2023, Rassie never left. On the whole the ABs had the fewer caps for one, a whole new coaching group that wasn't there in that defeat. Jason Ryan only came in 2022 (if my memory serves me correct). The ABs coaching group is a whole new group. We are not comparing the same situations. ABs also lost a large number of their core group. As mentioned Beauden Barrett is the most capped player in the squad of 33 with 129 caps. EVERY other AB player is below 100.
@Kittz1301 ja im sort of agreeing, we are in different phases but there are still some similarities. I'm saying the ABs coaching group is completely different, but we're also in a transitional phase in terms of our players and our systems, and there were a lot of guys not available for us. We have 2 new coaches in critical areas, attack and defense, bringing their own take on it and trying to implement their own outlook. I think a more accurate comparison would be to look at the total caps of all 23 players for both teams, instead of just starting caps, even though NZ didn't use half their bench it's still a 23 man game. I haven't looked at that, and I'm sure we'd still have a bit more caps total, but the difference wouldn't be as vast once TJ, Beauden and Anton are on the field.
@@kristian762 Nope ABs would still be below. Springboks on the bench had 242 caps… Beauden Barrett was the most capped player out of both groups with 129. The only other player with 100+ was Eben with 125. Even adding the bench to both totals (408 on AB bench) the ABs were out-capped! Yes agreed the ABs are in a different phase entirely. Like I said the Springboks have had a solid group of players and coaching staff since 2018. ABs have basically hit reset button. The coaches are new but that is also because Razor is completely new and his game plan is different. He has the final say in how he sees the ABs style of play going forward. However, in light of both matches: the ABs will be a different bag of fruit next year. They played extremely well, for the mere fact that they were in the matches for 60-65minutes shows they have plenty of room to grow. They haven’t reached their potential yet. With more experience and more tight pressure games and the experience that comes with it. Only time will tell in 2025.
Unlike The Breakdown, you guys are actually very objective about this and its much appreciated. As a Springbok fan, the recent success is really great, but test rugby is really missing a competitive Aus team. Would love to see the Aus and NZ club teams join the european tournaments as well. Super rugby is dead, sorry. Keeping on playing weak club teams will only keep leading to poor tests.
Would love to see this. I’d also like to see Razor keep working with Finau in the squad - I believe he has the potential to make it, but it’s going to take him longer to get there. But we’re going to need 6 quality physically imposing back row for the World cup.
@@Dilmahkana Sititi's carriers were better and ruck presence far better than Slackbladder... the fact the Abs were more successful at the breakdown than the week before "due to greater team focus" is lame reasoning. How exactly did you measure the "focus" and eliminate all other possible reasons. 🤭
From a saffa, I agree with you guys, it’s not doom and gloom at all! The ABs played really well against a seriously strong Bok side in SA. Give it time, it’ll come good. I’d personally love to see Richie at 10, Will at 14 and DMac at 15 with Beauden coming off the bench. Then you could switch up the centre pairings depending on combinations but that backline would tear it up. Mackenzie is more dangerous with more space and entering the line from full back and is not a natural 10 for me. Just an opinion though, thanks for the content and good luck against the Wallabies 👊🏼🇿🇦🇳🇿
All Blacks are rebuilding, Boks are experimenting… Neither played to their potential yet still produced probably 2 of the tests of the year. We got to see youngsters from both teams stand up and take their chance, we got to witness 2 awesome spectacles. It’s not all doom and gloom my fellow AB fans, I’m excited for this team and where we can get to.
The All Blacks could of won those tests. Small small margins. People love getting carried away. The Springboks are only just in front of the chasing pack its close. Ireland - New Zealand - South Africa. Neck & neck. We respect the All Blacks. So thrilling to watch! SA dude.
It is frustrating to hear the one sided assessment of Gipper and Bryn on why the ABs ‘couldn’t get the job done’. There is absolutely no focus on the clear chances the Boks left on the table, eg Cheslin’s offload to PSDT 5-metres away; Sasha’s skewed grubber kick after his break; Cheslin’s drop kick in last 5 minutes when Boks needed to keep the ball with ABs under the pump; Sasha’s miss out front. What the AB pundits fail to acknowledge is how poor this ABs team is compared to any of the AB teams of last 30 years and the Boks experimental approach in this series which led to many unforced errors. The losses could’ve been massive but for the Boks high risk and expansive approach, which to be fair will pay off in time. We are probably witnessing a shift in world rugby which may leave the ABs behind even more. The Autumn / November game versus Ireland will be massive to see if the ABs have turned the corner. Hope they compete better then.
@@neoserve8656 Just consider Steenekamp in his 4th game, Sacha in his 7th, Elrigh in his 4th (not even the best 8th man at the Bulls!!!), Nortje ranked 6th in SA and playing in his 4th game, Canaan fresh back from injury and in his 10th game. Add Aphelele and BJ Dixon from the week before, Grant Williams, PSDT having to move to 4 and Eben only just made it to the bench....
@@greatshark9625 Come on, boet, it was not a try. There was not enough clear evidence to overturn the onfield decision and that is the protocol. Calling for a try there is no different to the AB fans saying Smith's try should not have been overturned in the RWC. The protocols dictated the decision and we need to abide by the laws.
Seems like neither Telea or Reece are good for the left wing; perhaps Ioanie who was originally a left wing should have gone there and Proctor. be the centre - Ioane hasn't played consistently really well at centre so should be dispensable there. A true full back such as Reuben love could well be worth a shot as Will Jordan is yet to validate his position there. I would also consider Ardie at 7, Sititi at 8 and Blackadder (if fit) or Jacobsen at 6. My $0.02 worth. Cheers, Ross
I think that even though the ABs played both matches with intensity and created real pressure on the Boks, that the Boks did not play at all well in either match. In the second test Pollard was pedestrian (and Sacha extremely nervy when he came on) and our back line attack was toothless. Our lineouts throughout were very poor and our scrum was well matched by the ABs. Our breakdown contest in the second test was well below that of the ABs. In that sense we were lucky to win and did it merely by older heads keeping calm and the ABs opening the door for us trough ill-timed penalties. We need to play a lot better going forward, and actually click as a team, if we want to boast with being "best in the world".
My name is JK I live on the second floor I don't like the Springboks Especially when they ruck and maul If you hear whinging late at night That's just JK watching a scrum that he doesn't like Just don't ask me about mauls Just don't ask me about mauls Just don't ask me..... About mauls. Go Bokke
My name is Rassie I live in a barn I don’t like the All Blacks when they play fast cause they make the boks looks like old cows I hired a New Zealand coach to teach us how to attack Now we can play real rugby thanks New Zealand and Tony Brown Lekka
the best dent the boks confidence is if abs could have kicked the goals when they were 14 points up already 2weeks ago, thats how crucially wrong they got it. scott barrett may want to be captain, but it was the wrong option when u have the boks pinned down with 17 points on them. so actually this week the abs after a win could be in a better state if they won 2 weeks ago. but the abs let the boks score so easily and ontop of that the boks didnt play that well but still won. this week the boks played better, the abs didnt take their chances again and it was game over. this is like Ireland v abs all over again because the boks defense is better than abs attack, the attack of the boks just like Ireland pounces on their chances easily, the abs continue not to.
I'd be curious to find out which law says that a Hooker needs to throw in at a lineout. It seems more likely that its legal but no one has seen it for so long its been forgotten.
NZ has three problems. 1. Superrugby just isn't competitive enough. 2 Their selection policy leaves their best players out. 3. They appointed a head coach with zero international experience
Come on man! What do you mean "no international experience?". Rassie didn't have it when he was by the springboks, neither did Jacques Nienaber. Even the current English coach Steve Borthwick never coached at international level before before hired by RFU..
One Side is purely relishing & basking in the glory of Being Rugby World Champs. The AB's on the other hand, have achieved some continuity & versatility with their players. It's almost a complete dynamic shift between SA & AB's. One has had its cage rattled & bashed & is left slightly broken. While SA continues to innovate, redesign & be a complete unit that is dominant & elusive all in one.😮
I love 🥰 your show!!! Great perspectives and summaries of the games!!! I think Razor needs to take a leap of faith and just play some players in their correct positions. Will Jordan does not have the same impact at 15. I think the argument has been settled! In the All Blacks set up he is a wing! The wings are Clarke and Jordan going forward!
Its an improvement for NZ, you won the Breakdown battle, the lineouts battle and matched Boks in scrum mostly. The problem is RSA likes to finish with their best team and the starters are handy enough too. As a Saffa I'd say Sattiti had a great game & Codie, we expect BB would be a better 10. But Dmac seems a project. RSA's Tony Ball is not sticking, the whole structure isn't happening with the backs, DDA threw a lot of ball behind the Boks backline. As a Bok supporter it feels like the most disappointing 2 wins with really average disrupted performances, with no full FH to winger backline unleash. NZ needs to be prepared to lose more playing new blood in the NH tours and low value comp's. By trying to win every game, you exhaust your frontline and dont develop a squad. Chill and blood some depth, get more Blues players on. Good Luck, well timed losses are the breakfast of Tournament World cup Champions. Supporters need to see a long term project before a short term expectation.
I have got a question for James Parsons here, i'm from Johannesburg by the way !! James do you think that the Australian and Kwi sides have taken a step down the ladder since the departure of the South African sides from Super Rugby ? Cause since the SA sides joined the URC and playing the likes of Leinster, Munster and the Glasgow Warriors the SA sides have fitted better in and so that teams too. What do you think does the Super Rugby sides need to do to climb that ladder again to the most succesful tournement again ?
Manchester United fans 🤝 All blacks fans Just accept that those dominant years are over for now.. The All Blacks are now a regular international rugby side.. Theres no shame in that
@@jameswyatt4443 true.. So tell the union to allow overseas players to play for the ABs.. Because we all know if u could sign players u'd still end up picking new zealanders
@@ciaranbrk agreed.. 2nd best team in the world for me.. The ABs had the opportunities but maybe not the experience to close all 4 games lost to the boks.. To me Ireland are basically arsenal to the great Barcelona side (McCaw's All Blacks)
@@ciaranbrk agreed.. 2nd best team in the world for me.. The ABs had the opportunities but maybe not the experience to close all 4 games lost to the boks.. To me Ireland are basically arsenal to the great Barcelona side (McCaw's All Blacks)
Boks fan here. For a NZ that's somewhat in rebuild, lots to build from the past two matches. Remove some execution errors and the result is different. Interesting also to see SA evolve from it's prior predictability.
Damian McKenzie will never be the answer at 10 for the AB's he's never known how to ice games in clutch moments, he's been poor for the Chiefs in crucial moments, and it doesn't surprise me he crumbles at test level because he's not made for pressure situations. There's been far too many examples over the years of him crumbling to know he's not the answer at 10.
DMac is New Zealand's Elton Jantjies. Amazing player at club level but can't seem to be able to make the step up to international level apart from the odd moment of magic. Honestly though, I don't see anybody else stepping up and Beaudy might not even make the next world cup. Richie Mo'unga might be back next season but where's the all blacks pecking order of old? In the past you knew DC starts, Cruden on the bench, Beaudy covers 10 then Stephen Donald. You don't have that at the moment.
Plummer was originally an injury replacement for Perofeta, who been promoted since man's leg doesn't seem to be getting better. I'm sure they'll give him a crack at 10 at some point, as well as Perofeta. The issue is we just have no real depth at 10 atm.
ABs played extremely well in both test matches, but the Boks are evolving. In both tests it feels like the Boks are experimenting with an expanded attack, but that they can go to their DNA in a the last 20-minutes. The Boks have so much more power to come back from injury that they will be better in the last 20-minutes going forward. The other worry is it looks like the Boks have found their Dan Carter. Great rugby from both Teams and so much to look forward to in the Autumn tests.
This Springbok team is overhyped way too much. They are not as dominant as everyone says. They were extremely lucky to win the World Cup semifinal and final last year in the final minutes. They lost to Ireland in their backyard this year and in the group stage in the World Cup. They struggled to beat a poorly coached All Black team twice in their backyard. Their young players are flashy but make poor decisions. Their experienced players like Marx, PSDT, Etzebeth, Kolisi, Pollard are their key men that have bailed them out.
So just to put this into context. Springboks are 20 wins out of their last 23 games. 4-0 against the ABs. Played without Lood De Jager, Damien Willemse, Faf de Klerk, Trevor Nyakane, RG Snyman, Jean Kleyn and Deon Fourie. All world cup winners. And yet are still the number 1 side in the world and have a 90% win rate in their last 10 games. To put that into context, none of France, NZ, England, Ireland or any other 1st tier side in world rugby have above 70% in their last 10.
Very small margins chaps keep calm and let your new coach put it together. Which he will, together with great players and traditions. Here in SA yes we are happy but I promise there's no boasting or loss of reality. Its just a couple of narrow wins.
A few months ago I had an email read out saying these rule changes and obsession with speeding up the game by super rugby was going to cost Aus/NZ again. As it did before. It is not a proving ground for test rugby. Rather a format to engrain anything but test rugby with ruck and run rugby. SA played badly and won. Because they’re experts at test rugby. Aussie physicality needs to be taught in a training ground that’s how bad it is. Only the Blues plays a format remotely similar to what test rugby is and the powers that be don’t want to change that. Nz fronted up due to legacy and history but they fade badly in the last 20 time after time. Even they need more of it, but now they’re off to play touch rugby with Aus.
With Wallace Sititi impressing in his first start in 6, should he stay there? Some are saying he should be considered an 8. He ran hard at the line frequently, distributed effectively and performed well in the scrum and lineout. Is the differences between the 6, 7 and 8 positions that crucial?
Just 2 observations: 1. With the Wiese card, down to 7 forwards, 5odd meters from the Bok line, why not the lineout and maul, a la Ellis Park last week? Confidence/belief? 2. This is a 23-man game these days, AB's left 3 players not used, why? Just picked in case of injury? As always a great show, thank you!!
Regarding the Argentina v Australia game: If you try and play containing rugby like the Aussies did against the Boks (to limit the damage instead of trying to win), and then try to play expansive rugby with the hole that they are currently are in, against a team which you think is less explosive, you are going to get NAILED by a good side. Which is exactly what happened.
Its simple, the Sprinboks are by far the superior team on the planet and deserve to be just that, no point saying we played well for 50-60 mins when we can't close the match out...we used to be able too but not with the bench players we have, we are asking way too much especially from the forwards to play 60mins these days in tests against the Boks, we don't have the bench players.
Also wherever the SA franchise teams play, urc now , that Ireland and Scotland rugby has improved. Ask yourself that during NZs best period , it was when Sa sides where in Super Rugby. Must be something there
and then the last thing is rece, hes not our best , Jordan is our best winger leave him there. robertson is shuffling the deck chairs on the titanic. back 3 is Jordan. bb and telua (tela was full of mistakes tho) i hate to say it cos I think clarkes defense is bad but hes a better option on the left wing right now, leave tela to come of bench and make an impact if thats possible.
Razor needs game time. Its always going to be close. As a South Africa... Its always a feeling of dread playing against the ol foe. Loads of mistakes by all. But did the mistakes actually make for an exciting series
NZ are soooo lucky that SA is trying out this new running rugby thing and I get why they are but if it wasnt for that, NZ would be catching a proper hiding in these games. Now the mistake all the NZ commentators are making is thinking the ABs are actually close to the boks, they are close to a boks team that is trying new things (not perfected yet) not the boks team that won the rugby world cup twice
Theyre not "trying" out a new way of playing. The rules have changed so the boks cant abuse slowing the ball down as they did when they won both their world cups. Theyre apdating to the new rules as are all teams. Boks are not that far ahead and should be worried they arent winning these games by more against a rebuilding team espcially at home. Sure the ABs made silly decisions and kicked poorly ultimatley losing them both games however the positives are huge for them. For the boks to be forced to play pretty average at home was surprising, you can argue their not at their full potential but you can argue that for any team.
@@karabontseki617 Spring boks are cowards They came in with like 1200 test caps vs NZ like 800 They are weening their players in cottonwood where the All Blacks are throwing them in with no parachute, enjoy your experience mate cause without it you would be dead in the water
What does the panel think about Jordie Barrett being a no.10? Very controversial at the moment knowing the NZ public does not like players out of position but J.Barrett is so good, you could argue his play style would fit a very physical 10 with great kicking.
He is a good 12. They just need to move Beauden back at 10. They also need to try Harry Plummer at 10 because he has shown he has ice in his veins. The 2 brothers combo is a strong off bench duo. It would be devastating to have them come off bench in last 20 and with their kicking. They need to put players in now: ALB & Proctor as starting centres.
@@Kittz1301 I agree with you wholeheartedly, I just have strong opinions that Dmac is not the answer. Too many wayward kicks for a test level player. Of course J.Barrett being a 10 is further down the line and I don't want reactive decisions.
@@jasonbuys172 There are. ALB is a 12, Dallas McLeod is another 12. David Havili, I can't think of all 12s they have...but there are a few. I think for SA they chose their best.
As a South African it seemed like the All Blacks still enjoy playing in South Africa. The atmosphere was so great, the All Blacks mingled with the South African supporters, parties were enjoyed by all, and most importantly all South Africans adore the All Blacks, and take it as a huge privilege when they come to South Africa. All Blacks are our biggest rivals yet our biggest brothers.
Over the years I've been trying to understand why the all blacks were as good as they were, like how can these guys just keep on winning. I've watched interviews, debates, videos etc when i realized: these guys aren't just a group of men coming together to play a sport they all enjoy, but they are a whole brotherhood, and when they wear that black jersey it was like that brotherhood just exploded into full on war and enjoyment coz it's not just a game they play with guys they know, but a game they play with their brothers. And i can tell you now that the Boks have adopted that philosophy. Previously we were a bunch of guy who came together to play a sport we love, but we never really had what the all blacks had. The all blacks brotherhood have fallen apart, they not playing the game for each other anymore, they not really appreciating running out with that black jersey on, and they not as willing to put it all on the line for the man beside them. They need to get their ora in order, they need to reform, they simply need to fully reconnect with each other to start and build that brotherhood back up. It's like a fern tree, keep feeding it and it will grow. Lets rebuild that brotherhood boys, we as Springboks need you to
You giys forget that the Boks were in the ABs position 2010-2016 where the boks would lose the game in the last 20mins. The ABs would capitalise just before half time and in the last 10mins putting the boks to bed. Every team goes through cycles, ups and downs. The ABs will only get better
Boks and fans alike have been through tough times, especially at the hands of the All Blacks. This streak might not last but if Ras and Tony achieve their vision, Boks could dominate and entertain at the same time
What New Zealand do not want to accept is the reality that no team can dominate any sport forever. Life doesn't work like this. Ask the Brazilian National Soccer Team, ask the West Indies National Cricket Team ask Manchester United of all teams
Guys, you should have gone into politics. You cannot start to analyse the game until they get the selections right. My backline will be Ratima, B Barret at 10, Jordie and Proctor at centres, Caleb right and Rico on left with DMac at 15. Pick the same pack and you will see the All Blacks getting back to their ways…..
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Gents. Sprinbok supporter here. I'm not one to comment often, but I feel I have to just say that you guys are not only the best rugby podcast in NZ, but possibly the world. No hyperbole.
Always measured, thoughtful and insightful.
Thank you very much.
While I'm at it, a couple of random notes regarding the ABs from a South African perspective:
1. PSDT, Kwagga and Cheslin are three of our best players. They play in Japan. Letting your players play overseas not only exposes them to different ways of playing, but forces your local clubs to improve player development. Take our locks, if Eben, Lood, Mostert, Snyman played in South Africa these past 4 years, we would not have Ruan Nortje now. The big argument for keeping the best players in your country is that it strengthens the local league, this might be true, but not to the extent administrators in England and NZ believe. The sooner you let your top players play international club rugby, the sooner your team will get back to nr 1.
2. There are a few players you need to re-evaluate. Sevu Reece just isn't good. Sam Cane is incredible, stop doubting him and just write his name in pen on the team sheet until he can't play anymore. Richie Mo'unga is the best 10 in the world. You need to get him back and have your next 10 be his understudy, otherwise you lose the 'generational handover'.
3. This is a special Springbok group. I think it's inaccurate to say 'the ABs are building' and playing against a 'settled Springboks team'. This is not the case. The Springboks are also rebuilding, they're blooding young talent, missing some key players, kicking for the corners instead of taking points and making more errors than we've seen them make in 8 years - because they're changing their game plan.
The difference between the teams is not that one is building and the other is not, it's that one has a brand new coach and the other has Rassie. Back Razor 100%. He's your best option, he just needs time.
4. This is good for the AB's. The thought of an AB group that knows how it feels to lose, that understands pressure and knows how to handle it is a scary thought. In fact, if you manage these next 18 months well and don't panic, I think we're in trouble.
Much respect!
Brilliant comment
I do love reading the South African comments. No wonder kiwis rugby players love travelling to SA. They seem so respectful, coupled with their extreme hospitality, especially to ex NZ players. It’s my mission to travel to SA to watch the ABs and get amongst the party atmosphere BBQs before I retire.
Learn a few Safas words first like Braai=bbq Lekker=nice, bier=beer, boerewors=sausage, Biltong=beef jerky. 😊
Just be careful not to call it a BBQ when you get here... its called a braai. That'll get you in trouble ! 😂🍻 but ja, you're welcome any time
Everyone is welcome to our braais, the more the merrier 😊
Agree. It is entertaining reading the comments by SA fans. Lots of passion for the game and their team, with some having a hostile/aggressive edge.
My friend, you will not be disappointed!
I am just here to say this is always the superior show to The Breakdown. I watch The Breakdown to point and laugh and I come here to actually get educated.
Yeah 100% - the host of this show is trying to get the technical best of his guests’ knowledge instead of being a clown, Jip has a really valuable self-awareness and awareness of sports psychology that allows for all sorts of analysis angles, and Bryn is really humble (as a very good player) and allows us to see into the mind of
a guy playing every week at the top levels and to understand how players approach each new law and challenge.
I'm a Saffa now living in NZ. When I first visited NZ in the 90s, the place was on fire for rugby in a huge way. It was like the whole country was rugby-mad. In SA, rugby was still seen as a sport for some, but not everyone. I went back to SA for a project just before the RWC after living in NZ for a year and the change in atmosphere was telling. The whole of SA has now embraced rugby. There were big screens and beer absolutely everywhere - in all of the cities and small towns and townships.
Somehow the situation had reversed. The whole country of SA is now eating and sleeping rugby and because few South Africans can afford expensive sports channels, watching the Springboks at big-screen TV venues or shebeens (traditionally illicit taverns) has become a community event. In SA, many fans don't just watch rugby at home in front of the TV. You braai with friends or go to the pub or join a whole community to share the cost of the screening.
SA is likely to be massive over the next 10 years as over 60-million people now grow in passion for rugby and the Springboks. To say nothing of how winning on a global stage will encourage Africans as a whole. I suspect that from Kenya south, rugby could easily take off in a big way. Of course, that's great for the game in general. But it's only really good if steel sharpens steel - so we in NZ will need to match that kind of passion for the game.
Theres a few issues there. The old Apartheid regime during the 1980s pushed rugby hard for the NP voting white and cape coloured populations. So ZA Rugby was a very state led and propagandised product in the 1980s, when arguably the Bokke would have been the best in the world. In 1994 the rugby authorities saw a huge potential to grow the game but ironically it was the ANC who held the development back as they just wanted the funds, the Madiba magic and didnt care so much about grass roots rugby. The untapped potential has always been there but the issue I see is that the African bantu players are not coming through in the numbers expected. Many say that, like Indians, theyre not massively suited culturally to a full contact sport. Then theres learning the rules from a young age. Also notice that the successful african players, like Siya and Sacha went to some of the best schools in the world from a young age. The crowds at the beer drinks and on social media often reveal they know very little about rugby and my guess is that the support will drain the moment SA stops winning. Rassie is doing a good job bringing through some players but in the back row and second row he hasnt done a good job at bringing on the youth. My feeling is that, if the results go away from ZA, then this newfound support - most of whom dont play the game or understand it that well - will evaporate.
@@powerbite92Everybody loves a Winner.
@@globallatitude-dmacorporat5886 being a Kiwi I must say I am impressed with the crowds over there and they are genuinely excited about the game, I think we are a victim of our own success in NZ we got so used to winning for so long we got a little bored with it and begged for better competition and we got it, now it's SA turn at the top...the hard part is staying there, you'll know what I mean when it happens, it wasn't that long ago SA rugby was an absolute basket case, I'm impressed with the Bok team they look very good at the moment, this new AB coaching team isn't that far off where they want to be, believe me you have poked the bear now they will come back at you guys enjoy it while you can.
@@rikkimason54 this Bok coaching staff and team are fully aware that success can change anytime and this is why they are planning for succession and longevity . We had some terrible results and we don’t forget that .
@@powerbite92Jesus Christ you've got to go see a therapist, the comments section isnt the place to air out your fragility
Surely the All Blacks have to put the record on the line next season when we tour NZ. Can you imagine the intensity, the atmosphere, the storyline. You've got the back to back champs, unbeaten in 4 meetings traveling to Eden Park "The Black Fortress"
That could be the game of the century.
Now you got me all pumped up for that👏
Springboks not playing "good" rugby,at 80%...but still winning !?Springboks have so many players injured...will be back soon?!
I'm amped for it already!
NZ should have a combination by then.....and (hopefully) NO TJ PERENARA ....these losses are a good thing for NZ...time to grow again...we will never lose sight of the game, we just have to find it again...it's not far...
i want to see a full strength all black team retallick smith and mounga dmac aint that guy
As a Saffa I honestly think that New Zealanders over-analyse everything.....these games were so close, so take heart. Its just not your time right now. Boks are class, period
As a South African Bok supporter I agree. These 2 teams are the best of the best. It's the tenacity of the Boks as well as, once again African wild dog mentality that pulls them through...not really the game play itself as bok these teams plays phenomenal rugby, albeit missed goals and opportunities here and there..I think tje latter is due to the fact that they are bok so good at what they do, that it is sometimes just the nerves or eagerness to win
A few years ago springboks lost close games where they were the better team on the field. The roles are reversed. Experience and cool heads win matches. This team has it even on their poorest days. AB always had this ability.
Agree - NZ way to technical, as Andy Farrel said after the pool game at WC , you know what you up against when playing SA, and you need to be ready for it, and need to ensure you stay in front on the score board.
There is a blue print on Rassie's coaching - You play tight and tick the score board over with threes, then when you ahead with 12 to 15 points, then only you start the open up the game. So many examples over the past 20 years where he coached.
It's all they have got and of course the fact that Lord of the rings was filmed there. What else do they offer? 😅
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As a South African, personally NO rugby game is as important to us than playing the AB's. The rivalry and the respect is unrivalled in any sport. I believe the AB fans feel the same, so that is why when there is a loss on either side, it is deeply felt. I can remember the '81 tour getting up at 4am, hoping to see a brilliant game only for it to be spoilt.....it was heartbreaking. One can watch and see how the players feel about these games.
As a South African, this is undoubtedly my favourite review show following a Test weekend. I thoroughly enjoyed James Parsons as a player, but as an analyst he is otherworldly. A future ABs coach guaranteed. Also the host is excellent and clearly does his research. Chins up fellas - we’ve been there and are proof that the wheel turns. ABs are too good a team to continue this spiral. The Aussies on the other hand…I’m extremely worried about the sport Down Under and fear the worst…
Boks outsmarted the ABs by one click, outscored them by one score. It is a psychological edge they now possess and it is all it takes to win test matches
@@eliehhajj Agree...it
And "outsourced" We have a world class backline coach.
Boks overrated and play boring as f..k rugby 😂
SA play rugby yawnion 😂.
@@Sportsfan1042 they made sure ABs slept well last Saturday night🤪
Guys, you have a really really great show and I love how genuine you each are: none of you three are clowns or need to fabricate drama or tension; you’re all secure with yourselves and your char cos you’re absolute fountains of sports knowledge and people-skills, and it’s an absolute pleasure to listen to - and not just when you’re analyzing the Boks. Please continue what you’re doing and I hope your show gets the right rewards and sponsors, you guys deserve it all
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one of the very best rugby pod, and I'm an SA fan, very instructive, the panel goes I depth and give good insights.
No one talking about how bad the Boks were and still won!
They're experimenting on attack and defense.. and still beat the MIGHTY ALL BLACKS!!
I noticed that. 0:08
That's because they weren't
I agree, the boks made soooo many handling errors. Perhaps we were just tactically better.
Boks were not Bad,that's how they Win Ganes.
As for South African rugby, truly, they're on top of the mountain,thanks to the blessing of having a genius coach, Rassie Erasmus. They're in space New Zealand used to be, most feared and respected by other countries. I am totally confident that All Blacks will turn the tide, and the best is yet to come out of them! Because, they play great rugby 🏉!
The Boks were already good when SA had a limited population to field, due to an oppressive political ideology. Enters legend president Mandela 30 years ago, and we add 20 million men to the pool, in 1994. Just like that.
These changes have now seen two new generations of young players emerge, talented, eager and hungry for the green jersey.
We’ve only just gotten started, the depth of talent is incredible. There are unbelievably skilled players in schools rugby right now, all frothing for a spot on the international stage.
Siya is their role model, the boks success their inspiration.
Ominous signs for other world rugby contenders.
The future of SA rugby looks bright!
Facts
Siya is a cheerleader.
Not a decision maker or rugby brain.
But then again, that's what is working.
@@2msystems740what nonsense
@@2msystems740utter kak, the man puts in a shift and leads by example
@@dannywimpey2879
What is Duane doing on the touch line?
As a South African, and proud Bok supporter, I believe the AB is and always will be an excellent team. What puzzle me is how the AB do not recognize or select their oversea based players, it is the professional era, and the oversea based players will bring an extra dynamic to the team. Rassie understands this very well, Rugby is a professional sport, and this means players will move around.
Most of our overseas players are past it. The few that are still under 35 either were never seriously in the frame for national selection, didn´t measure up when they were, or now play for other countries. This is a non-issue for NZ actually, and it´s only delusional, contrarian casual fans who like to claim that hauling Brodie Retallick (who was never the same player after his shoulder injury in 2019) or Ritchie Mo´unga (who played more then 50 tests and yet never mastered the art of the clearing kick) back from their cushy retirement gigs in Japan would make all the difference to this current All Black team. It´s a childish, short-termist fantasy that would inevitably destroy the domestic game and would barely benefit the national squad.
@@Formakiwi the domestic game is already dead. more and more kids are out playing basketball these days. something needs to change and fast
Im a Saffa, but I have a lot of respect for the AB team. They have these amazing slick back line players that can create space very quickly and tries as well.
Springboks have missing players such as Faf, Snyman, Wellemse and Mostert and spicy plum😅. All blacks missing players as well such as Richie, ratallick and Smith but the boks just keep on winning. Alot of people are saying the boks forwards won't make it to the next world cup because of age, all I can say don't hold your breath. All blacks gave it all and well fought but the boks are just on another level. We have depth that is deeper than the Atlantic ocean.😊😊
we've got a factory of replacements in the forwards and wingers
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Yeah. the new guys have been outstanding
AND ALL THE OLD MEN IN THE TEAM SOON TO VANISH . INCLUDING THE SICK RASSIEMUSSEN . . THAN WHAT .
@karinboran7894 did you read the comment above?We have players waiting in the wings unheard off by you and the world in the thousands year in and year out...even right now...as for Rassie he will just be fine ...Rugby is in the DNA of South. Africa...coaches and players alike...your salty comment is uncalled of and of poor taste...I hope you're embarrassed
The Boks didn’t play that well, had a high unforced error count as they also rebuild as a team and try a new style of play. The Boks defence is huge and the AB’s threw a lot at the line but the defence held. The bomb squad and use of the bench is telling in those last 30mins…. AB’s still looking good and on a positive trajectory so just a bit more time needed for the coach and team to get it to gel.
Everybody here in SA knows AB's, are a very good team and that if these games were played over in NZ it propably would have gone the other way, all in all some lekker rugby
All Black fans need to relax, we Bok fans have had our tough times as well. As soon as those youngsters gain some experience they will be a force again
Yep, All Blacks have had bad years as well. I'm not fussed about our losses as I can see definite improvement from match to match. Kinda just wish we could ban NZ media from press events tbh, would make them way less toxic 🤣
Keep saying this. It’s nowhere near as bad as some ABs fans make out. ABs are rebuilding, the Boks are experimenting, both played less that their potential and still produced probably the 2 test matches of the year. The results didn’t go our way but the Rugby was great, we saw young players take their chance and shine, we saw great spectacles at both venues. The Boks have a generational team with a generational coach and the ABs have them a blimmen good go. Boks supporters got to see what the team has been experimenting with, ABs supporters got to see the direction this team is heading. Win win in my opinion.
Wow . Mates look someone with brain cells
Credit to Rassie & the Springboks 🤝 not sure what Razor was thinking leaving a fatigued Tyrel Lomax on past 70... I hope Sevu Reeces time in black is up, Tavatavanawai looks like he is doing everything he can to earn a call up
Your depth on prop ,Lomax is good the rest not so
Lomax was keeping parity in the scrums, and good on maul defense. I think Razor didn't want to risk giving us ascendancy in those areas towards the end of the game.
@@danhursty6684 Reece was our best winger in Super Rugby this season, but for some reason hasn’t been as good for NZ this year.
Agree on Lomax, I felt he had an awesome 65mins but fatigue just caught up with him. Reece at his best is an unpredictable exciting ball of energy but his decision making has been poor in black this year - slapping the ball back against Argentina/yellow card against boks. Even the Marx try was made easier by him seemingly losing concentration (although I doubt he had much chance anyway!).
True. Reece and unfortunately DMac are not test calibre, Ione is not a centre and Sititti needs to swap at 8 with Savea.
SA vs NZ just doesn’t disappoint, every second was entertaining. I don’t think the AB’s are in any sort of trouble, we (SA) were just a little bit better for the full 80, and that can change in a heartbeat. NZ are still our biggest test of the year. Next year in NZ is going to be BIG!
The game has evolved, all the teams are far more professional now… wins and losses are moments in a game… Kiwis are just having to adjust that they are no longer miles ahead of everyone else… this is great for rugby as a whole.
Perspective too, two titans playing against each other and games only decided in the last 1/4 and by less than a try…
They will never admit to this though.
@@w0tnessZA all blacks havent lost to italy or japan either
@@ricgee1990All blacks haven’t won 4 World Cups either
@@jameswyatt44432 of their worlds cups were at home. They should have lost in 2011.
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South Africa 🇿🇦 are quite happy playing in the UK. I hated the time difference when we used to play Super Rugby in NZ. The change helped SA to be the best and world Champions 🏆.
I have coached club rugby ,school boy rugby and played club rugby from the 70s to 2008 . I'm very excited about this allblack team once they get the selection and game plan correct this team will become a great side
All Blacks need to be genuine and serious with getting good quality players for the bench or the bomb squad and to use all of them at least on the 60th minute mark
Me to mate when they click 💥
You are hopeless coach.
Hope you are right, but not with the current players.
@@jake2172-p2v He is full of it.
The NZRU are scared of losing 'intellectual property' to players based overseas that's why they refuse to pick New Zealand players based overseas. Losing South African teams and the Jaguares from Super Rugby has weakened the NZ players. They need to get with the times and pick the best players available, the game in this Country is already suffering with low attendance and low participation and we can't sustain players in this Country with the money offered overseas. I say open the selection criteria to the best players available not just NZ based players. Aaron Smith, Richie Mo'unga, Brodie Retallick, Leicester Fainga'anuku, Shannon Frizell as well as the injured Samisoni Taukei'aho and Cam Roigard would make a massive difference with this current side. South Africa have won two World Cups in a row and now dominate the All Blacks on a regular basis because they choose the best players available to them, meanwhile NZ remains stuck in the past with old way thinking.
Thank you
I disagree. The NZL system actually has a higher success rate almost at same level as France of junior players making it into ABs. As a school boy how does seeing playing overseas players keep being selected feel for you aspiring to become an AB. They would never get the opportunity to play. If you watched Super Rugby you’d see NZL is flush with talent. They need experience that is all that is lacking.
Agree.
You can only resist progress for so long.
The good rugby structures will always produxe the talent that will rise to the top. And in turn they will be lured to green pastures.
But this is no reason to exclude them from the national team.
So much misinformation in this comment. Super Rugby had good average attendance numbers this year that are actually on par with European club competitions, and a significant rise in viewership from home. Losing the Jaguares has only weakened Argentina, no one else. If you looked into overseas NZ players, you'd find that 99.9% of them are Super Rugby "rejects" (3rd-4th+ string players) who couldn't become season regulars. Aaron Smith and Retallick retired, they're not returning even if you changed eligibility. So what? We change the rules to get a centre/ wing we don't need, a hard hitting (woman-beating) loosie who we have replacement candidates for already, and a 10 we actually would benefit from? You'd change the rules all for one player? Ludicrous.
@@Kittz1301 Watching SR, NZ is flush with talent who play NZ rugby. You have no competition at SR level so it is nothing more than a glorified domestic league and one of the weakest competitions in the world. When you take that talent, especially your forwards, against stronger opposition, you falter. This is not my opinion, this is the statistical 5 wins from 16 games against France, Ireland and SA in your recent past. 31% win rate for the best sporting team the world has ever seen??? And so many of those losses go hand-in-hand with your forward pack not even managing to gain parity, let alone dominate.
Love this show - Very mature & intelligent - Thank You, Gentlemen
Dear Rassie.
You have made us proud. Congratulations on winning the RC this year.
My hat off for the way in which you gave Manie Libbok an opportunity and he paid you back handsomely.
May I suggest that you consider Sanele Nohamba, the Lions no 9 for the Springbok jersey. He will solve kicking dilemma you have with Manie when it comes to kicking for the posts. Sanele is highly reliable. He had been tried and tested. TV in
The 1986 South African team would've won two world cups as well. They arguably had the greatest player of all time playing center, who destroyed everyone he faced. The one and only Danie Gerber. He was the Maradona of rugby in the 80's. Simply untouchable.
Naas Botha on 10, Jaco Reinach...the father of Cobus Reinach, Carl du plessis on wing and Micheal Du Plessis. That Springbok team was phenomenal.
Danie Gerber paved the way for Nonu, O driscoll, Smith, Fourie, de Villiers...he was without a doubt the GOAT.
The 1987-90 all black team was very good so no they wouldnt especially on home soil.
Totally agree, Gerber was simply the best. He scored against the AB's when he was 38 or something. Could've made 1995, he was that good.
@@Charlie-uz8vb😂
@@Charlie-uz8vbGerber would've run rings around that All blacks team.
The All Blacks played above themselves and lost. The boks played below themselves and won. The difference is confidence. Confidence in the systems implemented by a coach who's trust has been earned. The all blacks have just started with a new coaching team, new systems and new players. The coaches still need to earn the players trust and buy in into the game plan and strategies. These things take time. As a bok fan I have no doubt that by 2026 tour we'll have close the the polished all blacks of old and by the world cup we'll see the all blacks at their peak again.
I just hope we're not peaking between world cups and we can keep this momentum going forward.
The All Blacks didn't play above themselves. You don't play above yourself and lose. You play below yourself and lose or you win in the dying stages.
@@wlk2408 That was not NZ style Rugby, there is more to it than passing a ball around, lol.
@@wlk2408 Yes, we saw what hubris did to the Irish, who according the fans, were already the greatest team of all time. I'm happy to give this team some time.
@@Marius_vanderLubbe I'm sorry but I don't agree. There are many instances where a team plays well and loses. The boks had a habit in the past of playing our best rugby against the all blacks and losing i.e 2013 game which is regarded as one of the best games of rugby ever and the 2015 world cup semi final where a missed Pollard drop goal was the difference.
Also, during world cups you see many tier 2 teams play exceptionally well against tier 1 opposition yet still lose. Uruguay Vs France 2023 is a good example of this. No dude, you can absolutely play above yourself and still lose. Happens quite often actually.
@@Konst_Abel But you changed your narrative slightly. Your initial assertion was that the All Blacks played above themselves. That was not the case.
People are talking as if the
All Blacks were beaten by a lot in their recent losses. When the All Blacks were dominant, they were smashing the other teams, including South Africa. The
All Blacks on the other hand are tracking very well for a new setup. And despite the losses they are not too far off from clicking and then they will be back to their winning ways.
I am from SA please you guys take over the Break Down you guys speak sense and I really love it
Centre pairing is off. Until they get over Jb and Rieko they'll keep losing games...
Always great podcast. Thank you from South Africa. 👏👏
The Kolbe lineout throw was 100% legal. Just lying about lineout rules.
The rule says “Once the lineout is formed, players: a. From the team throwing in may not leave the lineout other than to change positions with other participating players”
Very insightful program. I’m glad I watched it. From SA.
Guys, remember the AB's are rebuilding, they've lost a few big name players and they have a new coach. They're improving game by game and it's the small things that are missing. Remember in 2018, the boks were going through the same thing. Rassie had a plan and built depth by possibly sacrificing some results at the expense of getting experience. Often you learn more from a lose than a victory. The boks have never been in a better state, but it took time, effort and a bit of sacrifice.
Well I hope the Boks improve too, they were definitely not at their best…
@@DiannaShamley the boks have yet to play to their full potential. They're adapting to the new attacking style but it's just a matter of time.
@@SamWashkansky agreed
@SamWashkansky There is a difference. The Boks in 2015 lost to Japan and Argentina for the first time ever. They lost again to Argentina in 2016 and then added losing to Italy for the first time ever, got hammered 57/15 by ABs in Durban that same year and got hammered again 57/0 in 2017 in NZ. They hit rock bottom, so any improvement from there would be noticeable. 2017 They smashed Italy 35/6 in a revenge match. 2018, they beat NZ at Wellington and then World Champions in 2019. Under Foster, ABS were a little shaky at best. They weren't in the same state as the Boks were at their lowest. An argument can be made that they have slipped further losing 3 from the last 4 under Scott Roberston. In saying that, sometimes you have to take a step back before you move 5 steps forward. So I agree in a little bit more time we will know which way the ABs are going, forward/backward.
Springboks are also building, we just tend to integrate our new players better at the moment. You guys will get back to that again.
It felt like a team of 23 where all of the 23 had a pre determined role to play vs a team of 15 with 8 backup players on the bench in case of injury or fatigue.
If you are having issues with little Kolby throwing in, then wait until Ox and Malherbe share the place kicking.
Looks like Ox can absolutely kick a ball. See that clearance kick at the end of the first half?? 🤣🤣🤣
I think Ox won't be bad 😂😂
seen ardie savea kick the ball? pretty good with it too
@@tk_tai0 Not sure how that will help the Springboks, mate 🤣🤣
@@Karma-qt4ji might go out on the full lol
Saffa here...always a good show lads, great content and analysis ! two things really that stand out for me is poor decisions by ABs and poor play by the boks trying to get to grips with 'Tonyball'
Both teams are actually off Ireland's accuracy, physicality and all round game now.
Please dont tell us about IRE. They are just 6 nations champs and that it. They couldnt even get past quarters at the world cup
D-mak should be our super sub and beaudy back at no#10 to organise our play.Barret to Barret thats the connection
Agreed. That looks the most logical for ABs. Although Beauden's kicking as unreliable as Manie Libbok, do you really want that in the tight/pressure games
Pls no, Beauden is not a 60 minute player, nor is he a 10 anymore.
Thanks for breaking it down boys! Agree that we need to persevere with the current group, and give them time to grow into international rugby. They have already made progress! They will achieve so much more in the next year or two.
I never accepted that the Boks were number one even though they won the World Cup but now that they’ve kicked our butts twice, especially both times coming from behind to do it, well now I’m convinced, they definitely deserve the number one tag😢
the pendulum of sport swings and swings again - ABs will be on top again soon - we SAcns absolutely have zero doubt about that. AB fans just need to be patient and keep the faith.
Great show! These gentlemen are very helpful and know their stuff. Well done 👍
I think it’s Simple: AB’s and Boks are in two completely different phases.
Boks are a long way into the Rassie regime. Good players who have transformed into Legends all retained from 2019, 2023 campaigns.
They have the right and the luxury of seamlessly introducing exciting new talent…
The AB’s on the other side are in full rebuild mode. Brand new coaching system, DMac only has just been given the keys, the young talent are becoming true starters.. with all that, the AB’s are still really REALLY close.
It’s just gonna take time, but the AB’s are set to be dominant soon‼️
I think 2025 is definitely going to be game changing year... ABs during Graham Henry's, Hansen & Fozzie all had continuity which is what Springboks have right now. This is a new team and coaching group. So I believe 2025 the ABs will be a different beast. Not to mention the starting caps in Saturday's game: ABs = 660 vs Springboks = 982 😲😲
Of the 23 players in both teams, Boks had 10 players, and ABs had 10 players who were involved in that 57-0 loss to the ABs. Boks missing a few first choice guys as well in this series. We had quite a few less experienced guys playing: Moodie, Nortje, Grant, Jayden, Steenekamp, Sacha, Elrigh. We've also got new coaches, new systems, and new players. The one constant for us vs NZ though is that the core coaching group has remained the same
@@kristian762 Are you agreeing or disagreeing? Yes the Springboks had relatively new caps; however their coaching group is the same since 2021 after that defeat. Rassie was appointed the head coach shortly afterwards; even though Jacques Nienaber was head coach in 2020 - 2023, Rassie never left.
On the whole the ABs had the fewer caps for one, a whole new coaching group that wasn't there in that defeat. Jason Ryan only came in 2022 (if my memory serves me correct). The ABs coaching group is a whole new group. We are not comparing the same situations. ABs also lost a large number of their core group. As mentioned Beauden Barrett is the most capped player in the squad of 33 with 129 caps. EVERY other AB player is below 100.
@Kittz1301 ja im sort of agreeing, we are in different phases but there are still some similarities. I'm saying the ABs coaching group is completely different, but we're also in a transitional phase in terms of our players and our systems, and there were a lot of guys not available for us. We have 2 new coaches in critical areas, attack and defense, bringing their own take on it and trying to implement their own outlook.
I think a more accurate comparison would be to look at the total caps of all 23 players for both teams, instead of just starting caps, even though NZ didn't use half their bench it's still a 23 man game. I haven't looked at that, and I'm sure we'd still have a bit more caps total, but the difference wouldn't be as vast once TJ, Beauden and Anton are on the field.
@@kristian762 Nope ABs would still be below. Springboks on the bench had 242 caps… Beauden Barrett was the most capped player out of both groups with 129. The only other player with 100+ was Eben with 125. Even adding the bench to both totals (408 on AB bench) the ABs were out-capped! Yes agreed the ABs are in a different phase entirely. Like I said the Springboks have had a solid group of players and coaching staff since 2018.
ABs have basically hit reset button. The coaches are new but that is also because Razor is completely new and his game plan is different. He has the final say in how he sees the ABs style of play going forward. However, in light of both matches: the ABs will be a different bag of fruit next year. They played extremely well, for the mere fact that they were in the matches for 60-65minutes shows they have plenty of room to grow. They haven’t reached their potential yet. With more experience and more tight pressure games and the experience that comes with it. Only time will tell in 2025.
Great podcast. Really enjoyed the conversation
From a Saffa, I'd forget about open and blindside technicalities, I'd play Ethan B and Wallace S at 6 and 7, Ardi at 8....wrecking ball trio.
That’s completely redundant. Sititi is a natural 8, Ardie is a natural 7.
Unlike The Breakdown, you guys are actually very objective about this and its much appreciated. As a Springbok fan, the recent success is really great, but test rugby is really missing a competitive Aus team. Would love to see the Aus and NZ club teams join the european tournaments as well. Super rugby is dead, sorry. Keeping on playing weak club teams will only keep leading to poor tests.
6. Blackadder; 7. Savea; 8. SITITI vs the Wobblies 💪👌
Would love to see this. I’d also like to see Razor keep working with Finau in the squad - I believe he has the potential to make it, but it’s going to take him longer to get there. But we’re going to need 6 quality physically imposing back row for the World cup.
Sammy plays a similar game to Ethan but Sammy knows how to draw and pass when he needs to. Ardie 6 Sammy 7 Wallace 8
slackbladder tries hard but achieves little... too lightand ineffectual. ABs breakdown was far better this week without Slackbladder
@@itistrue101 That's because the entire team was focussing on the breakdown... Evidenced by how many players got a turnover at the ruck
@@Dilmahkana Sititi's carriers were better and ruck presence far better than Slackbladder... the fact the Abs were more successful at the breakdown than the week before "due to greater team focus" is lame reasoning. How exactly did you measure the "focus" and eliminate all other possible reasons. 🤭
From a saffa, I agree with you guys, it’s not doom and gloom at all! The ABs played really well against a seriously strong Bok side in SA. Give it time, it’ll come good.
I’d personally love to see Richie at 10, Will at 14 and DMac at 15 with Beauden coming off the bench. Then you could switch up the centre pairings depending on combinations but that backline would tear it up. Mackenzie is more dangerous with more space and entering the line from full back and is not a natural 10 for me. Just an opinion though, thanks for the content and good luck against the Wallabies 👊🏼🇿🇦🇳🇿
All Blacks are rebuilding, Boks are experimenting… Neither played to their potential yet still produced probably 2 of the tests of the year. We got to see youngsters from both teams stand up and take their chance, we got to witness 2 awesome spectacles. It’s not all doom and gloom my fellow AB fans, I’m excited for this team and where we can get to.
God I want Roigard back in the mix so badly....😮
The All Blacks could of won those tests. Small small margins. People love getting carried away.
The Springboks are only just in front of the chasing pack its close.
Ireland - New Zealand - South Africa.
Neck & neck. We respect the All Blacks. So thrilling to watch!
SA dude.
It is frustrating to hear the one sided assessment of Gipper and Bryn on why the ABs ‘couldn’t get the job done’. There is absolutely no focus on the clear chances the Boks left on the table, eg Cheslin’s offload to PSDT 5-metres away; Sasha’s skewed grubber kick after his break; Cheslin’s drop kick in last 5 minutes when Boks needed to keep the ball with ABs under the pump; Sasha’s miss out front. What the AB pundits fail to acknowledge is how poor this ABs team is compared to any of the AB teams of last 30 years and the Boks experimental approach in this series which led to many unforced errors. The losses could’ve been massive but for the Boks high risk and expansive approach, which to be fair will pay off in time. We are probably witnessing a shift in world rugby which may leave the ABs behind even more. The Autumn / November game versus Ireland will be massive to see if the ABs have turned the corner. Hope they compete better then.
In addition we miss some front line players like RG snyman and others.
@@neoserve8656 Just consider Steenekamp in his 4th game, Sacha in his 7th, Elrigh in his 4th (not even the best 8th man at the Bulls!!!), Nortje ranked 6th in SA and playing in his 4th game, Canaan fresh back from injury and in his 10th game. Add Aphelele and BJ Dixon from the week before, Grant Williams, PSDT having to move to 4 and Eben only just made it to the bench....
Add the Eben try that wasn’t awarded.
@@greatshark9625 Come on, boet, it was not a try. There was not enough clear evidence to overturn the onfield decision and that is the protocol. Calling for a try there is no different to the AB fans saying Smith's try should not have been overturned in the RWC. The protocols dictated the decision and we need to abide by the laws.
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Love James Parsons' insight on all these shows ! Excellent analyst
Boys...Boks underperformed, new Tony Brown gameplan means less bodies to clear at breakdown. Way better times ahead for Boks!
Guys great show, keep doing what you’re doing. Love it
Seems like neither Telea or Reece are good for the left wing; perhaps Ioanie who was originally a left wing should have gone there and Proctor. be the centre - Ioane hasn't played consistently really well at centre so should be dispensable there. A true full back such as Reuben love could well be worth a shot as Will Jordan is yet to validate his position there.
I would also consider Ardie at 7, Sititi at 8 and Blackadder (if fit) or Jacobsen at 6.
My $0.02 worth.
Cheers, Ross
I think that even though the ABs played both matches with intensity and created real pressure on the Boks, that the Boks did not play at all well in either match. In the second test Pollard was pedestrian (and Sacha extremely nervy when he came on) and our back line attack was toothless. Our lineouts throughout were very poor and our scrum was well matched by the ABs. Our breakdown contest in the second test was well below that of the ABs. In that sense we were lucky to win and did it merely by older heads keeping calm and the ABs opening the door for us trough ill-timed penalties. We need to play a lot better going forward, and actually click as a team, if we want to boast with being "best in the world".
My name is JK
I live on the second floor
I don't like the Springboks
Especially when they ruck and maul
If you hear whinging late at night
That's just JK watching a scrum that he doesn't like
Just don't ask me about mauls
Just don't ask me about mauls
Just don't ask me..... About mauls.
Go Bokke
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thats a bit rich bro , calm down , pride is just millimeters from the Fall
🤣 I see what you did
My name is Rassie
I live in a barn
I don’t like the All Blacks when they play fast cause they make the boks looks like old cows
I hired a New Zealand coach to teach us how to attack
Now we can play real rugby thanks New Zealand and Tony Brown Lekka
the best dent the boks confidence is if abs could have kicked the goals when they were 14 points up already 2weeks ago, thats how crucially wrong they got it. scott barrett may want to be captain, but it was the wrong option when u have the boks pinned down with 17 points on them. so actually this week the abs after a win could be in a better state if they won 2 weeks ago. but the abs let the boks score so easily and ontop of that the boks didnt play that well but still won. this week the boks played better, the abs didnt take their chances again and it was game over. this is like Ireland v abs all over again because the boks defense is better than abs attack, the attack of the boks just like Ireland pounces on their chances easily, the abs continue not to.
I'd be curious to find out which law says that a Hooker needs to throw in at a lineout. It seems more likely that its legal but no one has seen it for so long its been forgotten.
Awesome show again boys 🇿🇦🇿🇦
Think New Zealand is falling off a cliff because of the way they treated South Africa, causing the Saffas to leave super rugby.
That isn’t what happened tho. They went Europe because it is in a better time zone for them. Don’t write BS
The ABs will be back. never write off the team that has set the bar for years.
@@williambutters7716 false. Just shows the Kiwis weren't listening when SARU was warning that they'd leave if they continued to be treated poorly.
U guys kicked us out...ma question is how did u not know we have options
They left Super Rugby because of strict COVID restrictions. NZ shut it's borders, and the competition couldn't resume in that format.
Super excited for todays episode.
NZ has three problems.
1. Superrugby just isn't competitive enough.
2 Their selection policy leaves their best players out.
3. They appointed a head coach with zero international experience
Come on man! What do you mean "no international experience?". Rassie didn't have it when he was by the springboks, neither did Jacques Nienaber. Even the current English coach Steve Borthwick never coached at international level before before hired by RFU..
@@adnasa17 I mean Razor has only coached in super rugby as head coach.
One Side is purely relishing & basking in the glory of Being Rugby World Champs. The AB's on the other hand, have achieved some continuity & versatility with their players. It's almost a complete dynamic shift between SA & AB's. One has had its cage rattled & bashed & is left slightly broken. While SA continues to innovate, redesign & be a complete unit that is dominant & elusive all in one.😮
If Smith, Mounga, Retallick, and Frizell were allowed to be selected, the outcome might have been different.
And if the Boks had Faf , Mostert, LOOD DE JAGER, RG SNIJMAN , ARENDSE ETC
True nzr too stubborn and dumb. No to Smith though...annoying as TJ
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I love 🥰 your show!!! Great perspectives and summaries of the games!!!
I think Razor needs to take a leap of faith and just play some players in their correct positions. Will Jordan does not have the same impact at 15. I think the argument has been settled! In the All Blacks set up he is a wing! The wings are Clarke and Jordan going forward!
Its an improvement for NZ, you won the Breakdown battle, the lineouts battle and matched Boks in scrum mostly. The problem is RSA likes to finish with their best team and the starters are handy enough too. As a Saffa I'd say Sattiti had a great game & Codie, we expect BB would be a better 10.
But Dmac seems a project. RSA's Tony Ball is not sticking, the whole structure isn't happening with the backs, DDA threw a lot of ball behind the Boks backline.
As a Bok supporter it feels like the most disappointing 2 wins with really average disrupted performances, with no full FH to winger backline unleash. NZ needs to be prepared to lose more playing new blood in the NH tours and low value comp's. By trying to win every game, you exhaust your frontline and dont develop a squad. Chill and blood some depth, get more Blues players on. Good Luck, well timed losses are the breakfast of Tournament World cup Champions.
Supporters need to see a long term project before a short term expectation.
We definitely do not finish with our best team. That’s a blatant lie.
I have got a question for James Parsons here, i'm from Johannesburg by the way !! James do you think that the Australian and Kwi sides have taken a step down the ladder since the departure of the South African sides from Super Rugby ? Cause since the SA sides joined the URC and playing the likes of Leinster, Munster and the Glasgow Warriors the SA sides have fitted better in and so that teams too. What do you think does the Super Rugby sides need to do to climb that ladder again to the most succesful tournement again ?
Manchester United fans 🤝 All blacks fans
Just accept that those dominant years are over for now.. The All Blacks are now a regular international rugby side.. Theres no shame in that
You can’t compare them, football clubs can sign players from anywhere.
They are a in my view third in the world they will beat almost everyone but games vs the boks and Ireland are 50/50 games.
@@jameswyatt4443 true.. So tell the union to allow overseas players to play for the ABs.. Because we all know if u could sign players u'd still end up picking new zealanders
@@ciaranbrk agreed.. 2nd best team in the world for me.. The ABs had the opportunities but maybe not the experience to close all 4 games lost to the boks.. To me Ireland are basically arsenal to the great Barcelona side (McCaw's All Blacks)
@@ciaranbrk agreed.. 2nd best team in the world for me.. The ABs had the opportunities but maybe not the experience to close all 4 games lost to the boks.. To me Ireland are basically arsenal to the great Barcelona side (McCaw's All Blacks)
Boks fan here. For a NZ that's somewhat in rebuild, lots to build from the past two matches. Remove some execution errors and the result is different. Interesting also to see SA evolve from it's prior predictability.
Damian McKenzie will never be the answer at 10 for the AB's he's never known how to ice games in clutch moments, he's been poor for the Chiefs in crucial moments, and it doesn't surprise me he crumbles at test level because he's not made for pressure situations. There's been far too many examples over the years of him crumbling to know he's not the answer at 10.
DMac is New Zealand's Elton Jantjies. Amazing player at club level but can't seem to be able to make the step up to international level apart from the odd moment of magic.
Honestly though, I don't see anybody else stepping up and Beaudy might not even make the next world cup. Richie Mo'unga might be back next season but where's the all blacks pecking order of old? In the past you knew DC starts, Cruden on the bench, Beaudy covers 10 then Stephen Donald. You don't have that at the moment.
Plummer was originally an injury replacement for Perofeta, who been promoted since man's leg doesn't seem to be getting better. I'm sure they'll give him a crack at 10 at some point, as well as Perofeta. The issue is we just have no real depth at 10 atm.
ABs played extremely well in both test matches, but the Boks are evolving. In both tests it feels like the Boks are experimenting with an expanded attack, but that they can go to their DNA in a the last 20-minutes. The Boks have so much more power to come back from injury that they will be better in the last 20-minutes going forward. The other worry is it looks like the Boks have found their Dan Carter. Great rugby from both Teams and so much to look forward to in the Autumn tests.
This Springbok team is overhyped way too much. They are not as dominant as everyone says. They were extremely lucky to win the World Cup semifinal and final last year in the final minutes. They lost to Ireland in their backyard this year and in the group stage in the World Cup. They struggled to beat a poorly coached All Black team twice in their backyard. Their young players are flashy but make poor decisions. Their experienced players like Marx, PSDT, Etzebeth, Kolisi, Pollard are their key men that have bailed them out.
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So not overrated then.
So just to put this into context. Springboks are 20 wins out of their last 23 games. 4-0 against the ABs. Played without Lood De Jager, Damien Willemse, Faf de Klerk, Trevor Nyakane, RG Snyman, Jean Kleyn and Deon Fourie. All world cup winners. And yet are still the number 1 side in the world and have a 90% win rate in their last 10 games. To put that into context, none of France, NZ, England, Ireland or any other 1st tier side in world rugby have above 70% in their last 10.
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Not overhyped they are a great side
Very small margins chaps keep calm and let your new coach put it together. Which he will, together with great players and traditions. Here in SA yes we are happy but I promise there's no boasting or loss of reality. Its just a couple of narrow wins.
As South Africans we will always treat AB with reverence.
Can someone explain why Jordie didn't go for the long penalty attempt? That was definitely not in DMac's range
A few months ago I had an email read out saying these rule changes and obsession with speeding up the game by super rugby was going to cost Aus/NZ again. As it did before. It is not a proving ground for test rugby. Rather a format to engrain anything but test rugby with ruck and run rugby. SA played badly and won. Because they’re experts at test rugby. Aussie physicality needs to be taught in a training ground that’s how bad it is. Only the Blues plays a format remotely similar to what test rugby is and the powers that be don’t want to change that.
Nz fronted up due to legacy and history but they fade badly in the last 20 time after time. Even they need more of it, but now they’re off to play touch rugby with Aus.
With Wallace Sititi impressing in his first start in 6, should he stay there? Some are saying he should be considered an 8. He ran hard at the line frequently, distributed effectively and performed well in the scrum and lineout. Is the differences between the 6, 7 and 8 positions that crucial?
Just 2 observations: 1. With the Wiese card, down to 7 forwards, 5odd meters from the Bok line, why not the lineout and maul, a la Ellis Park last week? Confidence/belief? 2. This is a 23-man game these days, AB's left 3 players not used, why? Just picked in case of injury? As always a great show, thank you!!
Shawn Stephenson should be in the All Blacks a player who will contest and win in the air from the wing leaving Will Jordon at fullback
Love Stevenson. Such a great player.
Regarding the Argentina v Australia game: If you try and play containing rugby like the Aussies did against the Boks (to limit the damage instead of trying to win), and then try to play expansive rugby with the hole that they are currently are in, against a team which you think is less explosive, you are going to get NAILED by a good side. Which is exactly what happened.
Can you please, please, please keep the background stable?! It's constantly moving - WHY??
Its simple, the Sprinboks are by far the superior team on the planet and deserve to be just that, no point saying we played well for 50-60 mins when we can't close the match out...we used to be able too but not with the bench players we have, we are asking way too much especially from the forwards to play 60mins these days in tests against the Boks, we don't have the bench players.
Also wherever the SA franchise teams play, urc now , that Ireland and Scotland rugby has improved.
Ask yourself that during NZs best period , it was when Sa sides where in Super Rugby. Must be something there
and then the last thing is rece, hes not our best , Jordan is our best winger leave him there. robertson is shuffling the deck chairs on the titanic. back 3 is Jordan. bb and telua (tela was full of mistakes tho) i hate to say it cos I think clarkes defense is bad but hes a better option on the left wing right now, leave tela to come of bench and make an impact if thats possible.
Razor needs game time. Its always going to be close. As a South Africa... Its always a feeling of dread playing against the ol foe. Loads of mistakes by all. But did the mistakes actually make for an exciting series
NZ are soooo lucky that SA is trying out this new running rugby thing and I get why they are but if it wasnt for that, NZ would be catching a proper hiding in these games. Now the mistake all the NZ commentators are making is thinking the ABs are actually close to the boks, they are close to a boks team that is trying new things (not perfected yet) not the boks team that won the rugby world cup twice
Theyre not "trying" out a new way of playing. The rules have changed so the boks cant abuse slowing the ball down as they did when they won both their world cups. Theyre apdating to the new rules as are all teams. Boks are not that far ahead and should be worried they arent winning these games by more against a rebuilding team espcially at home. Sure the ABs made silly decisions and kicked poorly ultimatley losing them both games however the positives are huge for them. For the boks to be forced to play pretty average at home was surprising, you can argue their not at their full potential but you can argue that for any team.
@@karabontseki617 Spring boks are cowards
They came in with like 1200 test caps vs NZ like 800
They are weening their players in cottonwood where the All Blacks are throwing them in with no parachute,
enjoy your experience mate cause without it you would be dead in the water
What does the panel think about Jordie Barrett being a no.10? Very controversial at the moment knowing the NZ public does not like players out of position but J.Barrett is so good, you could argue his play style would fit a very physical 10 with great kicking.
He is a good 12. They just need to move Beauden back at 10. They also need to try Harry Plummer at 10 because he has shown he has ice in his veins. The 2 brothers combo is a strong off bench duo. It would be devastating to have them come off bench in last 20 and with their kicking. They need to put players in now: ALB & Proctor as starting centres.
@@Kittz1301 I agree with you wholeheartedly, I just have strong opinions that Dmac is not the answer. Too many wayward kicks for a test level player. Of course J.Barrett being a 10 is further down the line and I don't want reactive decisions.
Jordie been playing 12 a lot of games is there any other 12s in NZ that can replace him if injured? Or gain some experience asking as a Saffa
@@jasonbuys172 There are. ALB is a 12, Dallas McLeod is another 12. David Havili, I can't think of all 12s they have...but there are a few. I think for SA they chose their best.
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I’m looking forward to the NZ v Ire game
Do the Kiwi lads still enjoy playing in South Africa? Seems like epic atmospheres.
As a South African it seemed like the All Blacks still enjoy playing in South Africa. The atmosphere was so great, the All Blacks mingled with the South African supporters, parties were enjoyed by all, and most importantly all South Africans adore the All Blacks, and take it as a huge privilege when they come to South Africa. All Blacks are our biggest rivals yet our biggest brothers.
Over the years I've been trying to understand why the all blacks were as good as they were, like how can these guys just keep on winning. I've watched interviews, debates, videos etc when i realized: these guys aren't just a group of men coming together to play a sport they all enjoy, but they are a whole brotherhood, and when they wear that black jersey it was like that brotherhood just exploded into full on war and enjoyment coz it's not just a game they play with guys they know, but a game they play with their brothers. And i can tell you now that the Boks have adopted that philosophy. Previously we were a bunch of guy who came together to play a sport we love, but we never really had what the all blacks had. The all blacks brotherhood have fallen apart, they not playing the game for each other anymore, they not really appreciating running out with that black jersey on, and they not as willing to put it all on the line for the man beside them. They need to get their ora in order, they need to reform, they simply need to fully reconnect with each other to start and build that brotherhood back up. It's like a fern tree, keep feeding it and it will grow. Lets rebuild that brotherhood boys, we as Springboks need you to
You giys forget that the Boks were in the ABs position 2010-2016 where the boks would lose the game in the last 20mins. The ABs would capitalise just before half time and in the last 10mins putting the boks to bed. Every team goes through cycles, ups and downs. The ABs will only get better
Boks and fans alike have been through tough times, especially at the hands of the All Blacks. This streak might not last but if Ras and Tony achieve their vision, Boks could dominate and entertain at the same time
💯 %. We just need patience, Rassie knows the talent profile coming through hence he roped in Tony.
What New Zealand do not want to accept is the reality that no team can dominate any sport forever. Life doesn't work like this. Ask the Brazilian National Soccer Team, ask the West Indies National Cricket Team ask Manchester United of all teams
A backrow of 6 Blackadder 7 Savea and 8 Sititi is better, Reiko is better on the wing, this team is still forming.
Guys, you should have gone into politics. You cannot start to analyse the game until they get the selections right. My backline will be Ratima, B Barret at 10, Jordie and Proctor at centres, Caleb right and Rico on left with DMac at 15. Pick the same pack and you will see the All Blacks getting back to their ways…..
Are the ABs hosting both Bok games next year or just one?
It’s both tests. Hopefully not a welly game, Auckland and Chch, new stadium will be built by then.
@@NzNicK253 fingers crossed akl and chch, and if not chch then dunnaz