To the Bok supporters frustrated by the Breakdown’s silence on the Bok victory, please understand that most All Blacks fans don’t share the same views as the show. The Breakdown caters primarily to an older, inward-looking audience focused almost exclusively on the All Blacks, many of whom still consume the show via traditional TV rather than online. However, the average All Blacks supporter is quite different from the one portrayed on the show. So there’s no need to be upset. Shows like The ARP are a much better representation of the broader, rugby-loving audience in New Zealand.
It's comments like these that deserve thousands of likes This is what moves the game we all love forward Wish some of my fellow saffas myself included and others around the world can take a leaf from your much loved and appreciated "lawn"
is actually wild how new zeeladers lost their shit at the thought of disrespect with that fly over/ haka timing issue but this absolute fvck you coming from the breakdown is disgraceful and telling.
@@cheekynative Pride is a deadly sin for a reason mate. I don't understand why people can't swallow their pride and praise their rivals when they're up. It would actually be better for their ratings since sensationalism can only get them so far.
The biggest difference between The boks, the All blacks or any other team is the man the myth the legend Rassie. I don't think people always realize what this guy has done in the last 6 years to get the Boks where they are today. Forget what you see on tv. The behind the scenes work, that he has done when he was Director of Rugby to being the coach. You can ask anyone that knows him. This guy eat breaths and dream rugby every minute of every day. According to a few players, he sleeps very little, he is so focused on making the Boks better and better. Thanks for a great show guys.🤙🇿🇦😎
The depth Rassie is building is next level. The fact that more and more players are interchangeable withing the squad is what really excites me. He always used the cycles to prepare for the Webb Ellis regardless of results for the most part which allows him to make changes and blood, unearth and give them confidence to play like they belong. Its an amazing transition to witness as a South African. Coaching standards is definitely being uplifted here by his example.
For the first time since I have been watching rugby the Boks have a genius coach and management team. The All Blacks always had this edge over us until Rassie stepped in. He has transformed the Springboks with vision and has made the tough decisions when needed.
I know Toni Brown is a great coach, but springboks have always had good backs, we just always played a forward style game. Our players have always had the skill they just weren’t given creative freedom to use it u til now. He’s not the only reason the back line is opening up. It’s because the platform now laid by the forwards are allowing it.
We had Habana, by the end of his career he was always having to chase high balls. Crazy when you consider how dangerous he was if someone passed him the ball.
James Parsons is never neutral when it comes to Blues players . Eveytime Rieko or Finlay Christie's performances are called into question, he's the first pundit to defend them. He's forever promoting the case for Dalton Papali'i - who bar one great try vs England in 2022; has never had an outstanding game for the AB's - and the workmanlike Harry Plummer. His close ties with the Blues prevents him from offering an objective view. Contrast that with Bryn Hall, who isn't hesitant to critique underperforming Crusaders.
Congratulations on a great show. An excellent series of analyses and thoughtful insights by knowledgeable rugby minds. As far as quality insights go, The Breakdown pales in comparison to you guys. Bravo 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I'd say the main difference is depth. The AB's need to change the rule that doesn’t allow players to play aboard and play for the AB's. Changing that rule really changed the course of history for the Boks.
@@westsideAUKILANI Keep clinging to that mentality and see the AB value proposition diminish....the less dominant AB rugby becomes, the less likely players are to give up their earning potential to represent a mid-table AB's team. But hey, maybe top international players are a dime a dozen, and NZ produces them faster than they lose them....time will tell, and might already be telling.
@@vanrensburgarchitecturebim1641 the jersey means more than money, all I'm saying. Also we already have contracts available for certain players to be able to play overseas then come back. We are also a small island nation and cannot compete with the top brass financially. We still hold our own.
@@westsideAUKILANIthat would make sense if union was amazingly big and valued in NZ by majority, but it’s not. So just allow everyone to play for the ABs home or abroad
@@crankSOLO to suggest Rugby is not valued by the majority is a bit of a oversimplification although we are holding our own on the world stage in many sports, evidenced by the recent Olympics where we finished 11th in the world. Despite this and our financial limitations and population size, the black jersey still means more than money. To earn it you have to be playing in NZ. Some players can earn clause in their contracts where they can play overseas for a season or two but the jersey always brings these players back. We will continue to strengthen other nations (nz coaches, players, adding Moana and Drua to Super rugby despite pushback and lack of money) because we are not selfish minded like the Northern unions. We do all this not for money, but for the game.
Ireland, England and France will definitely not underestimate the AB's. However, they feel this is their chance to get one over them in November. Let's see how it goes.
The biggest difference? It's easy...the All Blacks are stuck in the past when selecting only home based players. How many great players are not eligible for selection?...this is now truly the professional era. Players play where it's best for them and their families, and so they should. Pick overseas based players and your pipeline is bigger, you have exposure to the URC, championship cup, etc, and most importantly, you pick your best players. Until the All Blacks do that, their player depth and quality will suffer, and they'll continue to play catch up.
We don't need any of the overseas players. Mounga maybe but he was never the answer anyway and the damage it would do to Super Rugby certainly isn't worth it for him.
@Hatunrumioc if you pick overseas based players, the transition would've been a lot smoother. Most of the overseas based All Blacks are at the end of their careers, but they could still add a lot in terms of experience and guidance to the newbies. You have Aaron Smith, Retallick, Mo'unga, Whitelock, Frizzell, and so on, who can add lots. Not to mention losing players to other countries like Ireland. Bundee Aki, JGP and Lowe would probably never have played for Ireland if they were eligible for All Blacks selection. Not to mention, if you pick overseas based players, there are more spots available for young players to play locally, and as a result, you have a bigger player pool to choose from. Over the last 8 years, over half of the players Rassie has picked for the Boks were playing abroad whilst being selected for the Boks. Without that option, the Boks would've struggled 💯...as a Springbok supporter, however, I hope the All Blacks never change their selection policy as it's better for us, but as a diehard rugby fan I wanna see the best players playing test rugby especially for the All Blacks.
@exb254 Well you're the pot calling the kettle black there. Rassie wants to build more depth than you need and as a result has picked lesser players than he could have on many occasions, thereby cheapening test rugby, ripping off the fans, and treating many tests as a training run/ experiment. Not as bad as France is but the second worst for it easily and for different reasons. At least the French are hampered by the Top 14. As for those players you mentioned, while top players they are the past and not what the ABs need moving forward. Simply put, NZ's main issue has been that we haven't quite had the talent coming through like we normally do. But that is changing rapidly with generational players coming through this year and more waiting in the wings. This talk of picking overseas players comes up every now and again but it will be gone again by next year with the progress we are making with these young guys. You also didn't mention any of the negatives that would come with a change in policy. NZ isn't SA and our situation is very different. It would almost be cruel for SA not to pick overseas players with the state SA is in as a country. Logistically it wouldn't work for NZ and would drain NZ rugby like crazy potentially leading to it's collapse. The time difference alone would mean most kiwis wouldn't watch most of the ABs play, except when playing for NZ. The vast majority of NZs top players still play the bulk of their careers in NZ and that isn't changing. They still want to play for the ABs during their prime and all the names you mentioned are rapidly being replaced, and wouldn't even make the team if they were to return next year or whatever. If you haven't noticed NZ had been quite successful at international rugby even with that policy. We have the best players since the mid 2010's coming through (Will Jordan the exception) and it won't be long until everyone is wondering again how such a small country with a relatively tiny player pool, and hindered by our selection policy, can still be so damn good at rugby. See you in NZ next year!
@@exb254 We dont have enough players to have a lot of them playing overseas and still have a strong local competition. Smith, whielock and retallick are all in their mid thirties. why not give younger players an opportunity. We had a lot of players retire last year and it takes time to replace the experience, you will have the same problem in the next couple of years. Look at all the players who are 32/33/34 they will be past their best at the next world cup. Malherbe, kitzoff, etzebeth, PSTD, Kolisis, allende, pollard etc
Explanation of the lineout section was very good. Colby (halfback/scrummie in zA) throughing into the lineout was a Rassie thing again. Really a great rugby show. I think Bauden Barrett still got it. In my opinion still the best at 10, in the world (Sasha we will see in SA)....Great show!!
I didn't watch all of the show, but did anyone comment on what Razor said about numbers not mattering when it comes to loose forwards? Alot of the discussion around the loose forward make up that I heard from you guys was around who should play where: 6-7-8. Do you guys agree with Razor here? I think its a really interesting insight into his thinking and I have to be honest - I like it. The days of having a seven who predominantly pilfers, hits rucks, defends, is gone for me. Every loose forward needs to be able to do that in spades. That's just a given for being a loose forward and if someone struggles in that area it can be coached (often its a fitness or attitude thing). What all loose forwards need to be able to offer at test level now is the ability to run the ball and carry well over the ad line. Defences are so good now that this will be the difference between the best teams in the world. This is why Sititi is so exciting, this is what Ardie does so well when he is on his game. (He could still do it from 7 too) This is why South Africa are going so well - they have big ball carriers coming out their ears. Jacobson and Dalton have had their chance and they have not been dominant enough in this area - (to my mind). Blackadder better, but I think Razor needs to be looking for another loosey who can dominate collisions and look dangerous with the ball. This is harder to coach - as guys are either natural/instinctive ball runners or they are not.
Am I the only one who thinks Razor is loving being in the spotlight a little to much? The way he carries himself in interviews is unlike any of his predecessors, no? The thing is, he knew all along that he's taking over from Fozzy, had all that time to get his ducks in a row...now he looks shellshock as to why the ABz ain't firing and performing on the brand of rugby he promised! Yes it's a whole new different mindset, but should it really be? The longer he takes to make the big reveal with All out-Guns blazing-Attacking-Running rugby, teams like The Boks and Rassie have evolved some more. The same goes for Ireland, France and England... So it's forever going to have to adapt and play catch up to those nations. NZRU needs to wake up and get with the times... Start choosing overseas based players and pay the players what they deserve(or ask for). My 2cents,all the way from Cape Town, South Africa.
The Boks been together since 2018 or atleast a large bulk of em. To compare, the Boks are in the same position the ABs were in 2015, like it or not. And that 2015 team was built from 2008
I wish John kirwan showed other teams this much respect when they bet the AB Mills is a proper bloke and well respected JK needs to remember he would not even make nz netball team today
I will tell you the difference - the way the All Blacks are playing the game especially our attacking game and this comes down to one facet - COACHING!!!! Right now NZ rugby is under delusion that running / entertaining rugby is the best way to play rugby - guess what running / entertaining rugby does NOT WIN WORLD CUPS!!!!
@@nepiahemopo1702it’s easy, the NPC is failing, the fact we won’t choose overseas players. Our style of rugby isn’t good enough and hasn’t been good enough for about 8years
@@nepiahemopo1702 I agree - grassroots rugby has been always the key to NZ rugby! We need to keep the development of that side of NZ rugby going! Here is the thing - big money investors don't punt on those who keep losing!
The key is alignment If the bench and whole squad are all in alignment with the teams structure and strategy And ability to strangle the opposition The bomb squad shouldn't get the upperhand
The game has moved on and the AB's are getting left behind. The Bok selectors have benefited massively from having franchise teams playing in the URC. The AB's for reasons I cannot comprehend still only select domestic players. The Bok coaching setup has an embarrassment of riches in terms of innovative thinkers and Rassie who knows how to synthesise all those ideas into a cohesive style of play. The Boks also fielded 35 players this tournament, and 49 on the year if I'm not mistaken.
I'm not a New Zealander, bit I disagree with comments who says NZ rugby should try open to foreign players. NZRU enacted this rule to strengthen internal competitions. If NZ start to accept NZ who play elsewhere the root of your rugby will start to rot. Try strengthen Super rugby instead
South Africa have only had one good year against the ABs and it's taken generational players well into their thirties and Rassie six odd years to achieve that.
O another deluded AB fan. Ask yourself this when last has the ABs beaten the Boks twice in a calendar year? All the while Boks bave been rotating teams and building depth. Boks were also clearly the better team the year before too; and in 2021 and 2022 it was pretty even 😃 O and lets not forget the Boks have rotated far more than any other team in the rugby championship too, with a clear focus to continue to build to the future 👌🏻🙂
Hello guys, the following comment may be contraversial, but here goes, take it with a pinch of salt or consider what I'm saying: The comment about where the penalties are conceded, I'm afraid the ABs, Aussies and Argentinians all infringe with professional fouls... SA occasionally also, but not to the same extent or as wittingly... Argentina match v Boks this weekend is case in point. 5 matches with no cards and then multiple Infringements and cards including a red, could've easily been two reds🤔
There's only one difference between a Bok and AB side. Ever. Time. Two greatest Rugby nations, just a matter of who's peaking and who's transitioning at any given moment.
To be fair, Boks are both. They rotated the most in the rugby championship of all the teams, with 2 new coaches in the team and a clear intent to use more of the their backs on attack, and they won it too. Everyone makes it sound like this has been the exact same team that played in the world cup final 🙂
The crazy thing about the Breakdown (and the very bitter French punters) is that for every referee decision that goes in SAs favour there is a decision which goes against the Boks too in the same game. There really is balance but the focus by anti-Bok fans and journos is very imbalanced
I liked James Parsons as a player but his analysis is utter bullshit. Cards are the difference? NZ almost beat the boks with 14 men in a RWC final. Mills and Marshall should do their own show out of all of these pundits.
We can't help it, we LOVE to scrum, we're taught to scrum from early primary school, and we know that is how we can break the opposition, and it's a thing of beauty when the opposition crumbles under the unified strength of 8 rugby players scrumming as 1 unified force.....the rest is just gravy.
the big real difference is foster didnt pick any new guys, turtled up and now we are out of cycle. Should be rectified by late next year. Also the boks had two home games vs the competition in us which was a huge advantage.
@@Edgycoo didnt your boys get bossed in scrum🙂. How many penalties did the Boks win on their own put in, when the ABs got marched backwards in the scrum🤣 Boks have the best scrum in the world and the ABs found that out the hard way 😃👌🏻
@@thegoat4124 nope. Look up the stats. Once again the boks didnt "boss" anyone. But their fans are so desperate to sound manly, they just keep repeating it. Enjoy rank #2! You will be dropping again soon.
I will say it again. It's time refs and their sidekicks get their games reviewed, their pay docked and game-time reduced. They have cost teams big time in biggest moments. They are the only ones leaving every game unscathed.
Ireland 92.12 South Africa 91.77 New Zealand 88.70 France 86.96 England 85.40 Argentina 84.30 Scotland 82.82 Italy 79.98 Fiji 79.64 Australia 79.32 You need to worry about Ireland not the feckin Springboks
So France are wasting NZ's time in 2025 by sending a second rate squad. Southern Hemisphere rugby should just cancel incoming French tours. They're not going to sell out stadiums or bring big TV audiences so they do nothing for the finances of the local union or it's brand value. We should all opt out of playing them on the end of season Northern Hemisphere tours too. Let them play their domestic rugby and we'll see them at RWC's. Let's rather see a full Bok tour to NZ in 2025, with midweek games ... like the AB tour to South Africa in 2026. Much better for both sets of fans. Much rather watch more All Blacks vs Boks rugby than wishy washy tests against weak opposition.
To the Bok supporters frustrated by the Breakdown’s silence on the Bok victory, please understand that most All Blacks fans don’t share the same views as the show. The Breakdown caters primarily to an older, inward-looking audience focused almost exclusively on the All Blacks, many of whom still consume the show via traditional TV rather than online. However, the average All Blacks supporter is quite different from the one portrayed on the show. So there’s no need to be upset. Shows like The ARP are a much better representation of the broader, rugby-loving audience in New Zealand.
It's comments like these that deserve thousands of likes This is what moves the game we all love forward
Wish some of my fellow saffas myself included and others around the world can take a leaf from your much loved and appreciated "lawn"
The Breakdown bunch never miss an opportunity to take pot shots at the Boks when they lose so I have a hard time buying this
is actually wild how new zeeladers lost their shit at the thought of disrespect with that fly over/ haka timing issue but this absolute fvck you coming from the breakdown is disgraceful and telling.
@@cheekynative Pride is a deadly sin for a reason mate. I don't understand why people can't swallow their pride and praise their rivals when they're up. It would actually be better for their ratings since sensationalism can only get them so far.
Tried to like this 100x
That was a far better wrap-up discussion on the Rugby Championship than the Breakdown. Well done, guys! Keep up the great work!"
I dont think the Breakdown even mentioned the Springboks or Argentina, spoke about All Blacks and Wallabies whole time..theres 4 teams!
This show is waaay beter than The Breakdown. Well done.
The biggest difference between The boks, the All blacks or any other team is the man the myth the legend Rassie. I don't think people always realize what this guy has done in the last 6 years to get the Boks where they are today. Forget what you see on tv. The behind the scenes work, that he has done when he was Director of Rugby to being the coach. You can ask anyone that knows him. This guy eat breaths and dream rugby every minute of every day. According to a few players, he sleeps very little, he is so focused on making the Boks better and better. Thanks for a great show guys.🤙🇿🇦😎
There's going to be a movie made and books written about this man. Absolute legend
O'Keefe is your Best friend bro 😉
@@cedric7936And apparently stupidity is your worst enemy.
I love this pod!! Balanced deep rugby intelect and relaxed banter.......
“Take the cards out and it was pretty even?” Brother, it was 27-7 by the time the Argies were carded
No cards the week before and you got whooped
@@mungoblizzard6114 With 10 changes. Try again.
@@Mo-wt4ks and again got whooped when no cards involved
@@Mo-wt4ks excuses. No cards and you get whooped facts
@@mungoblizzard6114 Guess the glare off that championship silverware must be blinding you, Mungo! Need some shades to handle all this winning? 😎🏆
The depth Rassie is building is next level. The fact that more and more players are interchangeable withing the squad is what really excites me. He always used the cycles to prepare for the Webb Ellis regardless of results for the most part which allows him to make changes and blood, unearth and give them confidence to play like they belong. Its an amazing transition to witness as a South African. Coaching standards is definitely being uplifted here by his example.
For the first time since I have been watching rugby the Boks have a genius coach and management team. The All Blacks always had this edge over us until Rassie stepped in. He has transformed the Springboks with vision and has made the tough decisions when needed.
Great show, guys! Always such a pleasure to get an impartial view and share in your expertise! Keep up the good work, from SA!
I know Toni Brown is a great coach, but springboks have always had good backs, we just always played a forward style game. Our players have always had the skill they just weren’t given creative freedom to use it u til now. He’s not the only reason the back line is opening up. It’s because the platform now laid by the forwards are allowing it.
We had Habana, by the end of his career he was always having to chase high balls. Crazy when you consider how dangerous he was if someone passed him the ball.
James Parsons is never neutral when it comes to Blues players .
Eveytime Rieko or Finlay Christie's performances are called into question, he's the first pundit to defend them.
He's forever promoting the case for Dalton Papali'i - who bar one great try vs England in 2022; has never had an outstanding game for the AB's - and the workmanlike Harry Plummer.
His close ties with the Blues prevents him from offering an objective view.
Contrast that with Bryn Hall, who isn't hesitant to critique underperforming Crusaders.
The respect that the entire country gives rassie is incredible
Entire country???? There's no such thing.
@@salomiodendaal4473 yes, the ENTIRE country. Rassie is highly revered
Great discussion. Like the technical aspects from player coaches. Thx
Congratulations on a great show. An excellent series of analyses and thoughtful insights by knowledgeable rugby minds. As far as quality insights go, The Breakdown pales in comparison to you guys. Bravo 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Great show! Subbed from SA!
I'd say the main difference is depth. The AB's need to change the rule that doesn’t allow players to play aboard and play for the AB's. Changing that rule really changed the course of history for the Boks.
No. The black Jersey is more than money. To earn it you have to be playing in NZ.
@@westsideAUKILANI Keep clinging to that mentality and see the AB value proposition diminish....the less dominant AB rugby becomes, the less likely players are to give up their earning potential to represent a mid-table AB's team.
But hey, maybe top international players are a dime a dozen, and NZ produces them faster than they lose them....time will tell, and might already be telling.
@@vanrensburgarchitecturebim1641 the jersey means more than money, all I'm saying. Also we already have contracts available for certain players to be able to play overseas then come back. We are also a small island nation and cannot compete with the top brass financially. We still hold our own.
@@westsideAUKILANIthat would make sense if union was amazingly big and valued in NZ by majority, but it’s not. So just allow everyone to play for the ABs home or abroad
@@crankSOLO to suggest Rugby is not valued by the majority is a bit of a oversimplification although we are holding our own on the world stage in many sports, evidenced by the recent Olympics where we finished 11th in the world. Despite this and our financial limitations and population size, the black jersey still means more than money. To earn it you have to be playing in NZ. Some players can earn clause in their contracts where they can play overseas for a season or two but the jersey always brings these players back. We will continue to strengthen other nations (nz coaches, players, adding Moana and Drua to Super rugby despite pushback and lack of money) because we are not selfish minded like the Northern unions. We do all this not for money, but for the game.
We weren't so flash after Arendse got yellow carded in 1st Argentina test.
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Ireland, England and France will definitely not underestimate the AB's. However, they feel this is their chance to get one over them in November.
Let's see how it goes.
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The biggest difference? It's easy...the All Blacks are stuck in the past when selecting only home based players. How many great players are not eligible for selection?...this is now truly the professional era. Players play where it's best for them and their families, and so they should. Pick overseas based players and your pipeline is bigger, you have exposure to the URC, championship cup, etc, and most importantly, you pick your best players. Until the All Blacks do that, their player depth and quality will suffer, and they'll continue to play catch up.
We don't need any of the overseas players. Mounga maybe but he was never the answer anyway and the damage it would do to Super Rugby certainly isn't worth it for him.
@Hatunrumioc if you pick overseas based players, the transition would've been a lot smoother. Most of the overseas based All Blacks are at the end of their careers, but they could still add a lot in terms of experience and guidance to the newbies. You have Aaron Smith, Retallick, Mo'unga, Whitelock, Frizzell, and so on, who can add lots. Not to mention losing players to other countries like Ireland. Bundee Aki, JGP and Lowe would probably never have played for Ireland if they were eligible for All Blacks selection. Not to mention, if you pick overseas based players, there are more spots available for young players to play locally, and as a result, you have a bigger player pool to choose from. Over the last 8 years, over half of the players Rassie has picked for the Boks were playing abroad whilst being selected for the Boks. Without that option, the Boks would've struggled 💯...as a Springbok supporter, however, I hope the All Blacks never change their selection policy as it's better for us, but as a diehard rugby fan I wanna see the best players playing test rugby especially for the All Blacks.
@exb254 Well you're the pot calling the kettle black there. Rassie wants to build more depth than you need and as a result has picked lesser players than he could have on many occasions, thereby cheapening test rugby, ripping off the fans, and treating many tests as a training run/ experiment. Not as bad as France is but the second worst for it easily and for different reasons. At least the French are hampered by the Top 14. As for those players you mentioned, while top players they are the past and not what the ABs need moving forward. Simply put, NZ's main issue has been that we haven't quite had the talent coming through like we normally do. But that is changing rapidly with generational players coming through this year and more waiting in the wings. This talk of picking overseas players comes up every now and again but it will be gone again by next year with the progress we are making with these young guys. You also didn't mention any of the negatives that would come with a change in policy. NZ isn't SA and our situation is very different. It would almost be cruel for SA not to pick overseas players with the state SA is in as a country. Logistically it wouldn't work for NZ and would drain NZ rugby like crazy potentially leading to it's collapse. The time difference alone would mean most kiwis wouldn't watch most of the ABs play, except when playing for NZ. The vast majority of NZs top players still play the bulk of their careers in NZ and that isn't changing. They still want to play for the ABs during their prime and all the names you mentioned are rapidly being replaced, and wouldn't even make the team if they were to return next year or whatever. If you haven't noticed NZ had been quite successful at international rugby even with that policy. We have the best players since the mid 2010's coming through (Will Jordan the exception) and it won't be long until everyone is wondering again how such a small country with a relatively tiny player pool, and hindered by our selection policy, can still be so damn good at rugby. See you in NZ next year!
@@Hatunrumioc Best of luck.
@@exb254 We dont have enough players to have a lot of them playing overseas and still have a strong local competition. Smith, whielock and retallick are all in their mid thirties. why not give younger players an opportunity. We had a lot of players retire last year and it takes time to replace the experience, you will have the same problem in the next couple of years. Look at all the players who are 32/33/34 they will be past their best at the next world cup. Malherbe, kitzoff, etzebeth, PSTD, Kolisis, allende, pollard etc
How did NZ let Tony Brown get away? He is a top class coach and the Boks are reaping the harvest.
Cause he was ass at the highlanders
Irish here, well impressed with NZ, i think they will be a real force in autumn and next year. Great to see them almost back good luck..
The scores were so close there is hardly any gap
Explanation of the lineout section was very good. Colby (halfback/scrummie in zA) throughing into the lineout was a Rassie thing again.
Really a great rugby show. I think Bauden Barrett still got it. In my opinion still the best at 10, in the world (Sasha we will see in SA)....Great show!!
I didn't watch all of the show, but did anyone comment on what Razor said about numbers not mattering when it comes to loose forwards? Alot of the discussion around the loose forward make up that I heard from you guys was around who should play where: 6-7-8. Do you guys agree with Razor here? I think its a really interesting insight into his thinking and I have to be honest - I like it. The days of having a seven who predominantly pilfers, hits rucks, defends, is gone for me. Every loose forward needs to be able to do that in spades. That's just a given for being a loose forward and if someone struggles in that area it can be coached (often its a fitness or attitude thing). What all loose forwards need to be able to offer at test level now is the ability to run the ball and carry well over the ad line. Defences are so good now that this will be the difference between the best teams in the world. This is why Sititi is so exciting, this is what Ardie does so well when he is on his game. (He could still do it from 7 too) This is why South Africa are going so well - they have big ball carriers coming out their ears. Jacobson and Dalton have had their chance and they have not been dominant enough in this area - (to my mind). Blackadder better, but I think Razor needs to be looking for another loosey who can dominate collisions and look dangerous with the ball. This is harder to coach - as guys are either natural/instinctive ball runners or they are not.
Am I the only one who thinks Razor is loving being in the spotlight a little to much? The way he carries himself in interviews is unlike any of his predecessors, no? The thing is, he knew all along that he's taking over from Fozzy, had all that time to get his ducks in a row...now he looks shellshock as to why the ABz ain't firing and performing on the brand of rugby he promised!
Yes it's a whole new different mindset, but should it really be? The longer he takes to make the big reveal with All out-Guns blazing-Attacking-Running rugby, teams like The Boks and Rassie have evolved some more. The same goes for Ireland, France and England... So it's forever going to have to adapt and play catch up to those nations.
NZRU needs to wake up and get with the times... Start choosing overseas based players and pay the players what they deserve(or ask for).
My 2cents,all the way from Cape Town, South Africa.
The Boks been together since 2018 or atleast a large bulk of em. To compare, the Boks are in the same position the ABs were in 2015, like it or not. And that 2015 team was built from 2008
All Blacks are just making silly and costly mistakes. That Bok defence and discipline is the difference.
I wish John kirwan showed other teams this much respect when they bet the AB Mills is a proper bloke and well respected JK needs to remember he would not even make nz netball team today
I will tell you the difference - the way the All Blacks are playing the game especially our attacking game and this comes down to one facet - COACHING!!!!
Right now NZ rugby is under delusion that running / entertaining rugby is the best way to play rugby - guess what running / entertaining rugby does NOT WIN WORLD CUPS!!!!
Now that you've got that off your chest. What is the best
way going forward?
@@nepiahemopo1702it’s easy, the NPC is failing, the fact we won’t choose overseas players. Our style of rugby isn’t good enough and hasn’t been good enough for about 8years
Lol
@Keza82 I prefer the development of local talent. Otherwise, what's the point? Like a kick in the guts In rekon.
@@nepiahemopo1702 I agree - grassroots rugby has been always the key to NZ rugby! We need to keep the development of that side of NZ rugby going! Here is the thing - big money investors don't punt on those who keep losing!
Dalton has been mr invisible in the Black Jersey so far - give Blackadder a crack
The key is alignment
If the bench and whole squad are all in alignment with the teams structure and strategy
And ability to strangle the opposition
The bomb squad shouldn't get the upperhand
The game has moved on and the AB's are getting left behind. The Bok selectors have benefited massively from having franchise teams playing in the URC. The AB's for reasons I cannot comprehend still only select domestic players.
The Bok coaching setup has an embarrassment of riches in terms of innovative thinkers and Rassie who knows how to synthesise all those ideas into a cohesive style of play.
The Boks also fielded 35 players this tournament, and 49 on the year if I'm not mistaken.
I'm not a New Zealander, bit I disagree with comments who says NZ rugby should try open to foreign players. NZRU enacted this rule to strengthen internal competitions. If NZ start to accept NZ who play elsewhere the root of your rugby will start to rot.
Try strengthen Super rugby instead
South Africa have only had one good year against the ABs and it's taken generational players well into their thirties and Rassie six odd years to achieve that.
O another deluded AB fan. Ask yourself this when last has the ABs beaten the Boks twice in a calendar year? All the while Boks bave been rotating teams and building depth. Boks were also clearly the better team the year before too; and in 2021 and 2022 it was pretty even 😃 O and lets not forget the Boks have rotated far more than any other team in the rugby championship too, with a clear focus to continue to build to the future 👌🏻🙂
Hello guys, the following comment may be contraversial, but here goes, take it with a pinch of salt or consider what I'm saying:
The comment about where the penalties are conceded, I'm afraid the ABs, Aussies and Argentinians all infringe with professional fouls... SA occasionally also, but not to the same extent or as wittingly...
Argentina match v Boks this weekend is case in point. 5 matches with no cards and then multiple Infringements and cards including a red, could've easily been two reds🤔
There's only one difference between a Bok and AB side. Ever. Time. Two greatest Rugby nations, just a matter of who's peaking and who's transitioning at any given moment.
To be fair, Boks are both. They rotated the most in the rugby championship of all the teams, with 2 new coaches in the team and a clear intent to use more of the their backs on attack, and they won it too. Everyone makes it sound like this has been the exact same team that played in the world cup final 🙂
Our front row is strong cody Taylor is dynamic we should be dominating but the backs are not aligned in structure to capitalize
I like how you guys use abbreviations for everything: Footie, D Mac, big D....very funny
The crazy thing about the Breakdown (and the very bitter French punters) is that for every referee decision that goes in SAs favour there is a decision which goes against the Boks too in the same game. There really is balance but the focus by anti-Bok fans and journos is very imbalanced
Its simple.we need sa back in super rugby and somehow bring back rugby tours with provincial games
I liked James Parsons as a player but his analysis is utter bullshit. Cards are the difference? NZ almost beat the boks with 14 men in a RWC final. Mills and Marshall should do their own show out of all of these pundits.
Eden Park is the difference
Nah.
Two forward packs
We can't help it, we LOVE to scrum, we're taught to scrum from early primary school, and we know that is how we can break the opposition, and it's a thing of beauty when the opposition crumbles under the unified strength of 8 rugby players scrumming as 1 unified force.....the rest is just gravy.
The boks are bigger. That's the main difference
I think Kolbe and Arende are skewing the average.
the big real difference is foster didnt pick any new guys, turtled up and now we are out of cycle. Should be rectified by late next year. Also the boks had two home games vs the competition in us which was a huge advantage.
@@Edgycoo Exactly this. Foster left the mess for Razor to clean up. That said Razor knew he was losing key players
Well like SAs scrums, SA are alsp just currently the better rugby team🙂 (don't run away this time😂)
@@thegoat4124 lower scrum % even in the rugby championship. Only won because imbongi try was allowed
@@Edgycoo didnt your boys get bossed in scrum🙂. How many penalties did the Boks win on their own put in, when the ABs got marched backwards in the scrum🤣 Boks have the best scrum in the world and the ABs found that out the hard way 😃👌🏻
@@thegoat4124 nope. Look up the stats. Once again the boks didnt "boss" anyone. But their fans are so desperate to sound manly, they just keep repeating it. Enjoy rank #2! You will be dropping again soon.
I will say it again. It's time refs and their sidekicks get their games reviewed, their pay docked and game-time reduced. They have cost teams big time in biggest moments. They are the only ones leaving every game unscathed.
I thought this video was going to be about steroid abuae.
New Zealanders using "bomb squad" now?? 😂😂
All hail Fozzie, oops Rassie.
Ireland
92.12
South Africa
91.77
New Zealand
88.70
France
86.96
England
85.40
Argentina
84.30
Scotland
82.82
Italy
79.98
Fiji
79.64
Australia
79.32
You need to worry about Ireland not the feckin Springboks
So France are wasting NZ's time in 2025 by sending a second rate squad.
Southern Hemisphere rugby should just cancel incoming French tours. They're not going to sell out stadiums or bring big TV audiences so they do nothing for the finances of the local union or it's brand value. We should all opt out of playing them on the end of season Northern Hemisphere tours too. Let them play their domestic rugby and we'll see them at RWC's.
Let's rather see a full Bok tour to NZ in 2025, with midweek games ... like the AB tour to South Africa in 2026.
Much better for both sets of fans. Much rather watch more All Blacks vs Boks rugby than wishy washy tests against weak opposition.
The REAL difference? I would say referees... SA has stolen two WC.
hahahaha... you're so funny... clearly don't understand much about rugby...
@@glennturpin7968 I know very well. Ask me which ones they have stolen ;)