Wow. Now, I'm REALLY looking at the ZV-E1 with a serious face. That shot at 20,000 ISO was insanely clean. Boy, it's tough to choose cameras right now.
I'm also doing an exposure test with a 2070g lens these days, and I'm back on the channel again. Nice to meet you. I think turning on the gamma function when shooting S-LoG shows the exposure according to REC709. So I just turned it off and set the LUT to 41 in S-LOG3, or I checked with the naked eye of S-LOG rat based on the appropriate 94 degree. The F4 aperture seems to be enough to shoot indoors at ISO 640 as well. And in my case, if the lighting is not tight, the dual-based ISO12800 definitely shows noise compared to ISO 640. It could be more because I've been testing it persistently these days. Anyway, I'm sharing the dense, good light-intensity lighting because it seems very important indoors.
Back and forth between the ZV-E1 and the A7s iii for real estate photography and videography. Just killing me how old the A7s iii is and will probably have a new model out next year, yet the prices for second-hand A7s iii are still insanely high.
Yo Sean. How did you do that shot with the car going normal speed, then it went slow mo, then back to normal. I gather that was done in post. Do you recommend certain frame rate if I were to do those kind of shots regularly? I love that effect and live downtown and want to start doing that with cars and moving objects.
I am shooting long day weddings fillms in London For video only do think I should purchase 3 x Sony A7 IV Or 3 x Sony Z1 E1? Does the Z1 E1 have recoding limit , how many minutes and will it heat up and shutdown ?
Enjoy the shoot, hope it turns out well Here is some info on overheating: ruclips.net/video/pnkjRfxPExg/видео.html There is no record limit on the ZV-E1 outside of overheating considerations Regarding the a7iv or zv-e1, here is a video getting into some detail there: ruclips.net/video/qzxNvvVeJ1Y/видео.html All the best
Great video thanks. Zebra levels on zve1 start at 70 as Ive seen. How can you have lower zebra numbers for different skin tones according to the chart then?
I am watching your video on the Apple Pro Display XDR in BT.709. Just so clean and problem free at the edge. Is this the same noise characteristics vs. A7S3 and FX3?
Hi Sean Thanks for the video liked and subscribed I was wondering and this might be a stupid question but how do you set the zebras and also the exposure when you are filming a talking head shot and the camera is more than your arm distance away so you can't reach the camera button? I struggle with this all the time and just end up settling on auto focus and AWB all the time which frustrates me
Hey Lee, thanks and welcome to the channel. I use an external monitor which helps A TON. Also, you can adjust the settings in the camera via the app as long as you can see the screen/zebras. This is the monitor that I use if interested: amzn.to/3O2Z6Rp
Hey mate, quick question - i can't find ZV-E1 listed as a supported camera on the Atmos Ninja website. Does that mini hdmi port have the same bandwidth as a full size hdmi. And if it does, or even if it doesn't, does it still allow you to record externally / use a ecternal monitor / tv?
If you are primarily a videographer I would suggest the zv-e1 the a7 IV is a photography camera if you want high frame rates you will have a considerable cropping. If you do photo and video go with the A7IV if you just care about video buy the video camera.
Video ISO Settings, oh and my understanding is that I do not think Cinetone has the best dynamic range. a combined table with all the different ISO information and what to uses: Camera 1st Native ISO for S-Log3 Cine 2nd Native ISO for S-Log3 Cine Lower Native ISO for HLG3 Highest Native ISO for HLG3 Dynamic Range in S-Log3 Cine Dynamic Range in HLG3 Lighting Condition Recommended Profile Recommended ISO Sony A1 ISO 800 ISO 3200 ISO 125 ISO 640 14 stops 13.71 EV Nighttime HLG3 High (e.g., 640) Sony A1 ISO 800 ISO 3200 ISO 125 ISO 640 14 stops 13.71 EV Daytime Sunny S-Log3 Cine Low (e.g., 800) Sony A1 ISO 800 ISO 3200 ISO 125 ISO 640 14 stops 13.71 EV Daytime Overcast HLG3 Medium (e.g., 125) Sony A1 ISO 800 ISO 3200 ISO 125 ISO 640 14 stops 13.71 EV Twilight HLG3 Medium-High (e.g., 640) Sony a7siii ISO 640 ISO 12800 ISO 640 ISO 12800 14.9 stops 14 stops Nighttime HLG3 High (e.g., 12800) Sony a7siii ISO 640 ISO 12800 ISO 640 ISO 12800 14.9 stops 14 stops Daytime Sunny S-Log3 Cine Low (e.g., 640) Sony a7siii ISO 640 ISO 12800 ISO 640 ISO 12800 14.9 stops 14 stops Daytime Overcast HLG3 Medium (e.g., 640) Sony a7siii ISO 640 ISO 12800 ISO 640 ISO 12800 14.9 stops 14 stops Twilight HLG3 Medium-High (e.g., 12800) Sony ZV-E1 (estimated) ISO 640 ISO 102400 ISO 640 ISO 102400 14.9 stops (estimated) 14 stops (estimated) Nighttime HLG3 High (e.g., 102400) Sony ZV-E1 (estimated) ISO 640 ISO 102400 ISO 640 ISO 102400 14.9 stops (estimated) 14 stops (estimated) Daytime Sunny S-Log3 Cine Low (e.g., 640) Sony ZV-E1 (estimated) ISO 640 ISO 102400 ISO 640 ISO 102400 14.9 stops (estimated) 14 stops (estimated) Daytime Overcast HLG3 Medium (e.g., 640) Sony ZV-E1 (estimated) ISO 640 ISO 102400 ISO 640 ISO 102400 14.9 stops (estimated) 14 stops (estimated) Twilight HLG3 Medium-High (e.g., 102400) Please note that these values are based on the information available and may vary depending on the specific settings and conditions during shooting. Always refer to your camera’s manual for the most accurate information. The values for Sony ZV-E1 are estimated based on the shared sensor with the Sony a7siii and may not be entirely accurate. For the most precise information, I recommend checking the camera’s manual or contacting Sony’s customer service directly. Choosing the best ISO and film profile depends on the specific lighting conditions and your post-production workflow. Here’s a general guide: Camera Lighting Condition Recommended Profile Recommended ISO Sony A1 Nighttime HLG3 High (e.g., 640) Sony A1 Daytime Sunny S-Log3 Cine Low (e.g., 800) Sony A1 Daytime Overcast HLG3 Medium (e.g., 125) Sony A1 Twilight HLG3 Medium-High (e.g., 640) Sony a7siii Nighttime HLG3 High (e.g., 12800) Sony a7siii Daytime Sunny S-Log3 Cine Low (e.g., 640) Sony a7siii Daytime Overcast HLG3 Medium (e.g., 640) Sony a7siii Twilight HLG3 Medium-High (e.g., 12800) Sony ZV-E1 (estimated) Nighttime HLG3 High (e.g., 102400) Sony ZV-E1 (estimated) Daytime Sunny S-Log3 Cine Low (e.g., 640) Sony ZV-E1 (estimated) Daytime Overcast HLG3 Medium (e.g., 640) Sony ZV-E1 (estimated) Twilight HLG3 Medium-High (e.g., 102400) Please note that these values are based on the information available and may vary depending on the specific settings and conditions during shooting. Always refer to your camera’s manual for the most accurate information. The values for Sony ZV-E1 are estimated based on the shared sensor with the Sony a7siii and may not be entirely accurate. For the most precise information, I recommend checking the camera’s manual or contacting Sony’s customer service directly. S-Log3 Cine: • S-Log3 Cine is designed to maximize dynamic range, making it an excellent choice for high contrast scenes, such as daytime sunny conditions. • It’s also beneficial for scenes with both bright and dark areas, as it can help retain detail in both highlights and shadows. • However, S-Log3 Cine requires color grading in post-production to achieve a natural look. • For nighttime or low-light conditions, you might need to increase the ISO to a higher value, which could introduce noise. HLG3: • HLG3, on the other hand, is designed for displays that support HDR and doesn’t require as much color grading in post-production. • It’s a good choice for situations where you want to quickly share the footage without spending a lot of time on color grading. • HLG3 performs well in a variety of lighting conditions, including daytime overcast and twilight. • For nighttime or low-light conditions, HLG3 can also be a good choice as it tends to have less noise at higher ISOs compared to S-Log3 Cine.
Beware when using the exposing methods detailed here. Different picture profiles have different clipping points. For example if you were to expose Slog3 based on a zebra set to 100 this will most likely clip your highlights and not be recoverable in post since Slog3 clips at 94 IRE. Also the skin tone exposure of 50-70 is a rec709 value which means that when using a different gamma like slog3 that value will be different.
I saw hunderds of reviews that says 12800 is the 2nd slog base... Moreover, I'm here because tonight I went out for the first time with my firstcam to try to shoot the sea and it was just terribly noisy crap - ruclips.net/video/0kS1FlwFElI/видео.html Where i'm wrong? S-Gamut3/S-Log3, XAVC SH 4K, 1/50, f 3.5, ISO 12800. Yes, it was in the evening, but it’s not a black night in the dark... I don’t understand how people take amazing shots of sunsets etc that are much darker almost nightly...
Wow. Now, I'm REALLY looking at the ZV-E1 with a serious face. That shot at 20,000 ISO was insanely clean. Boy, it's tough to choose cameras right now.
Right?! Love to see how good they are getting recently.
I can’t believe how good you are at teaching this ❤
Wow, thank you
I think the dual native base ISO are at 640 and 12800
For SLog3, he was using S-Cinetone as the example (not clear, flashed up on the chart)
Always crushing it! 20K ISO is incredible!
Thank you, Tom and I was blown away
I'm also doing an exposure test with a 2070g lens these days, and I'm back on the channel again. Nice to meet you. I think turning on the gamma function when shooting S-LoG shows the exposure according to REC709. So I just turned it off and set the LUT to 41 in S-LOG3, or I checked with the naked eye of S-LOG rat based on the appropriate 94 degree. The F4 aperture seems to be enough to shoot indoors at ISO 640 as well. And in my case, if the lighting is not tight, the dual-based ISO12800 definitely shows noise compared to ISO 640. It could be more because I've been testing it persistently these days. Anyway, I'm sharing the dense, good light-intensity lighting because it seems very important indoors.
Dudes got a giga chad jaw line ❤ thanks for the video !
Best in the business ;)
The amount of info you give is nuts!! Appreciate it!
Thank you very much for that explanation!! 🙏🏼 the ZV E1 is pro level so it need to be used like a pro
You're very welcome and I think the ZV-E1 suits a lot of different level of user but certainly has a few pro features baked in there
That thanos jawline 😮
Thanks for this awesome information. I love this camera and knowing how hard I can push it makes me love it even more.
Back and forth between the ZV-E1 and the A7s iii for real estate photography and videography. Just killing me how old the A7s iii is and will probably have a new model out next year, yet the prices for second-hand A7s iii are still insanely high.
Nice explanation. I use HLG3 and is excellent at 20000 also.
That's a profile that I haven't used much but good to hear that it performs well
Thank you mate! That was super helpful!
Love to hear it, glad you found it helpful
Yo Sean. How did you do that shot with the car going normal speed, then it went slow mo, then back to normal. I gather that was done in post. Do you recommend certain frame rate if I were to do those kind of shots regularly? I love that effect and live downtown and want to start doing that with cars and moving objects.
Wow 4k is better for low light than 1080p? I always shoot in 1080 and am thinking of getting a ZV-E1 so this is very helpful news thank you!
Enjoy the ZV-E1!
Is dual ISO in general or just for SLOG? For example, if I am shooting a video indoors should I have the ISO set at 640 no matter what?
I am shooting long day weddings fillms in London
For video only do think I should purchase
3 x Sony A7 IV
Or
3 x Sony Z1 E1?
Does the Z1 E1 have recoding limit , how many minutes and will it heat up and shutdown ?
Enjoy the shoot, hope it turns out well
Here is some info on overheating:
ruclips.net/video/pnkjRfxPExg/видео.html
There is no record limit on the ZV-E1 outside of overheating considerations
Regarding the a7iv or zv-e1, here is a video getting into some detail there:
ruclips.net/video/qzxNvvVeJ1Y/видео.html
All the best
Another great video
Great video sir. When using its advanced ibis settings with 30% crop does is it still maintain the same low light performance?
Yes
Being a true 4k sensor, you'll lose a bit of performance with the crop. I haven't tested it though.
Really helpful to me, thanks.
Glad to hear that!
What stabilization were you using in the opening shot?
Gigachad? Anyways, great video. Thanks for making this & being so thorough 🙌🏼
The original. Appreciate that and lunch today has been outstanding with you.
Thanks for this
information
Great video. What white balance did you use shootimg 20_000 iso in the street?
Thank you and I just had it in auto and then locked it after the camera got the WB
Great video! I was looking for this infos early today. Did you use some plugin to reduce noise in that first 20.000 ISO at the beginning?
Hey man 🤙 thank you. Nope, just an SLOG3 conversion, some light color correction and my PIKE LUT
@@seandewispelaere really impressive🤯
@@seandewispelaerewhich conversion LUT did you apply? I have huge noise in slog3 and yous wonder what did i wrong ✌🏻
Hi to produce RUclips video it’s better than the fx30 ? Wich lens of you use for vlog on this zve1 ? Thanks for your help !
I think it is, yes and I like the Taron 17-28 a lot: amzn.to/3ouinit
Hey, can you do a low light video on the a6700. I’m really struggling with noise
Working on that as we speak 🤙
Great video thanks. Zebra levels on zve1 start at 70 as Ive seen. How can you have lower zebra numbers for different skin tones according to the chart then?
THANK YOU for the iso chart!!! AWESOME channel! New sub..Thanks again...
So…. What lens are you using/??
Hey 👋
Tamron 17-28 and 28-75 2.8
I am watching your video on the Apple Pro Display XDR in BT.709. Just so clean and problem free at the edge. Is this the same noise characteristics vs. A7S3 and FX3?
Same sensor and yea near exact performance from my experience with the S3
Do you prefer filming in XAVC S-I 4K over HS with the ZV-E1?
I actually shoot in XAVC S more often and haven’t noticed any major differences between all of the codecs for my work
Very nice man! Thanks ☺️
No problem 👍
Hi Sean
Thanks for the video liked and subscribed I was wondering and this might be a stupid question but how do you set the zebras and also the exposure when you are filming a talking head shot and the camera is more than your arm distance away so you can't reach the camera button? I struggle with this all the time and just end up settling on auto focus and AWB all the time which frustrates me
Hey Lee, thanks and welcome to the channel. I use an external monitor which helps A TON. Also, you can adjust the settings in the camera via the app as long as you can see the screen/zebras. This is the monitor that I use if interested:
amzn.to/3O2Z6Rp
@@seandewispelaere ah yeah the app of course! duh! why didn't I think of that? 🤣 thanks
Thank youuuu very much 👊🏼
No problem 👍
Good one Sean!
Many thanks 💯
Thanks 😊
Hello! Do you know the native ISO in photo mode?
Hey mate, quick question - i can't find ZV-E1 listed as a supported camera on the Atmos Ninja website. Does that mini hdmi port have the same bandwidth as a full size hdmi. And if it does, or even if it doesn't, does it still allow you to record externally / use a ecternal monitor / tv?
Probably due to how new the ZV-E1 is...? Ninja v? I use that myself with the ZV-E1 daily and it's been excellent
Oh, I haven't recorded externally though...
I do screen record which is kind of the same and it works well
Let me know where you land
legend!!!
BTW, the 10-20 4 PZ works nicely on my A7R3. Have you tried one on the ZV-E1?
Not yet but I’m sure it’d be great
@2:00 the second native iso is at 12800, not 2000
640 and 12,800 for SLOG3, but 2000 is the 2nd base for other profiles
It doesn't depend on picture profile. Native iso is one thing. There can't be many. Two is the highest. @@seandewispelaere
Solid vid
Get out of Town, 20,000 ISO? Is this the base I should set it at for HLG too?
Right?! Feel free to download the chart, all base and 2nd base ISOs listed in there 🤙
Fighting the urge to upgrade haha
Don’t fight it. Join me on the dark side 👀
This or the A7iv, which would you use for video? So confused between the two 😵💫
If you are primarily a videographer I would suggest the zv-e1 the a7 IV is a photography camera if you want high frame rates you will have a considerable cropping. If you do photo and video go with the A7IV if you just care about video buy the video camera.
Do a low light slog3 test
I’ll add it to the list. A few of those high iso shots in the video from the city were in SLOG3 if that helps
Video ISO Settings, oh and my understanding is that I do not think Cinetone has the best dynamic range.
a combined table with all the different ISO information and what to uses:
Camera 1st Native ISO for S-Log3 Cine 2nd Native ISO for S-Log3 Cine Lower Native ISO for HLG3 Highest Native ISO for HLG3 Dynamic Range in S-Log3 Cine Dynamic Range in HLG3 Lighting Condition Recommended Profile Recommended ISO
Sony A1 ISO 800 ISO 3200 ISO 125 ISO 640 14 stops 13.71 EV Nighttime HLG3 High (e.g., 640)
Sony A1 ISO 800 ISO 3200 ISO 125 ISO 640 14 stops 13.71 EV Daytime Sunny S-Log3 Cine Low (e.g., 800)
Sony A1 ISO 800 ISO 3200 ISO 125 ISO 640 14 stops 13.71 EV Daytime Overcast HLG3 Medium (e.g., 125)
Sony A1 ISO 800 ISO 3200 ISO 125 ISO 640 14 stops 13.71 EV Twilight HLG3 Medium-High (e.g., 640)
Sony a7siii ISO 640 ISO 12800 ISO 640 ISO 12800 14.9 stops 14 stops Nighttime HLG3 High (e.g., 12800)
Sony a7siii ISO 640 ISO 12800 ISO 640 ISO 12800 14.9 stops 14 stops Daytime Sunny S-Log3 Cine Low (e.g., 640)
Sony a7siii ISO 640 ISO 12800 ISO 640 ISO 12800 14.9 stops 14 stops Daytime Overcast HLG3 Medium (e.g., 640)
Sony a7siii ISO 640 ISO 12800 ISO 640 ISO 12800 14.9 stops 14 stops Twilight HLG3 Medium-High (e.g., 12800)
Sony ZV-E1 (estimated) ISO 640 ISO 102400 ISO 640 ISO 102400 14.9 stops (estimated) 14 stops (estimated) Nighttime HLG3 High (e.g., 102400)
Sony ZV-E1 (estimated) ISO 640 ISO 102400 ISO 640 ISO 102400 14.9 stops (estimated) 14 stops (estimated) Daytime Sunny S-Log3 Cine Low (e.g., 640)
Sony ZV-E1 (estimated) ISO 640 ISO 102400 ISO 640 ISO 102400 14.9 stops (estimated) 14 stops (estimated) Daytime Overcast HLG3 Medium (e.g., 640)
Sony ZV-E1 (estimated) ISO 640 ISO 102400 ISO 640 ISO 102400 14.9 stops (estimated) 14 stops (estimated) Twilight HLG3 Medium-High (e.g., 102400)
Please note that these values are based on the information available and may vary depending on the specific settings and conditions during shooting. Always refer to your camera’s manual for the most accurate information. The values for Sony ZV-E1 are estimated based on the shared sensor with the Sony a7siii and may not be entirely accurate. For the most precise information, I recommend checking the camera’s manual or contacting Sony’s customer service directly.
Choosing the best ISO and film profile depends on the specific lighting conditions and your post-production workflow. Here’s a general guide:
Camera Lighting Condition Recommended Profile Recommended ISO
Sony A1 Nighttime HLG3 High (e.g., 640)
Sony A1 Daytime Sunny S-Log3 Cine Low (e.g., 800)
Sony A1 Daytime Overcast HLG3 Medium (e.g., 125)
Sony A1 Twilight HLG3 Medium-High (e.g., 640)
Sony a7siii Nighttime HLG3 High (e.g., 12800)
Sony a7siii Daytime Sunny S-Log3 Cine Low (e.g., 640)
Sony a7siii Daytime Overcast HLG3 Medium (e.g., 640)
Sony a7siii Twilight HLG3 Medium-High (e.g., 12800)
Sony ZV-E1 (estimated) Nighttime HLG3 High (e.g., 102400)
Sony ZV-E1 (estimated) Daytime Sunny S-Log3 Cine Low (e.g., 640)
Sony ZV-E1 (estimated) Daytime Overcast HLG3 Medium (e.g., 640)
Sony ZV-E1 (estimated) Twilight HLG3 Medium-High (e.g., 102400)
Please note that these values are based on the information available and may vary depending on the specific settings and conditions during shooting. Always refer to your camera’s manual for the most accurate information. The values for Sony ZV-E1 are estimated based on the shared sensor with the Sony a7siii and may not be entirely accurate. For the most precise information, I recommend checking the camera’s manual or contacting Sony’s customer service directly.
S-Log3 Cine:
• S-Log3 Cine is designed to maximize dynamic range, making it an excellent choice for high contrast scenes, such as daytime sunny conditions.
• It’s also beneficial for scenes with both bright and dark areas, as it can help retain detail in both highlights and shadows.
• However, S-Log3 Cine requires color grading in post-production to achieve a natural look.
• For nighttime or low-light conditions, you might need to increase the ISO to a higher value, which could introduce noise.
HLG3:
• HLG3, on the other hand, is designed for displays that support HDR and doesn’t require as much color grading in post-production.
• It’s a good choice for situations where you want to quickly share the footage without spending a lot of time on color grading.
• HLG3 performs well in a variety of lighting conditions, including daytime overcast and twilight.
• For nighttime or low-light conditions, HLG3 can also be a good choice as it tends to have less noise at higher ISOs compared to S-Log3 Cine.
nice
Beware when using the exposing methods detailed here. Different picture profiles have different clipping points. For example if you were to expose Slog3 based on a zebra set to 100 this will most likely clip your highlights and not be recoverable in post since Slog3 clips at 94 IRE. Also the skin tone exposure of 50-70 is a rec709 value which means that when using a different gamma like slog3 that value will be different.
bro has been mewing since 1912
1908 actually
20k ISO??? For a vlogging camera???? Wtf
I know, right?!
So that’s interesting that 2000 ISO is the second baseline, unlike the FX3 and A7SIII which is 12800
It's 12800 base in slog3, like the a7s3
no gray card or colour card !!!
I saw hunderds of reviews that says 12800 is the 2nd slog base... Moreover, I'm here because tonight I went out for the first time with my firstcam to try to shoot the sea and it was just terribly noisy crap - ruclips.net/video/0kS1FlwFElI/видео.html Where i'm wrong? S-Gamut3/S-Log3, XAVC SH 4K, 1/50, f 3.5, ISO 12800. Yes, it was in the evening, but it’s not a black night in the dark... I don’t understand how people take amazing shots of sunsets etc that are much darker almost nightly...
i have the same problems , always noisy videos and bad lowlight quality