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Honestly I like the form i feel that it fits vegeta he's always had bravado since birth I don't get how people hate it it expresses how vegeta and goku contrast and compare
Or better yet he tells them and they either say "Didn't you always have it with how often you get pummeled?" or "Just when your ego couldn't get bad enough."
Whis: "If you want to become stronger, you need to let go of that stubborn pride." Vegeta: "Nah." Whis: "Do you really believe you own hype *that* much!?" Vegeta: "I AM THE HYPE!"
Goku: "I'mma Dodge Tank!" Vegeta: "I'm the face tank that you can't live without..." Dende: "Okay... a Dragoon and a Black Knight... *heavy sigh* Protect your White Mage against Bahamut please..."
The name "Ultra Ego" took a while to grow on me. It sounded so underwhelming, but then it made sense to me as it was Vegeta giving it the name to somewhat mock the name 'Ultra Instinct'.
I find it a little hypocritical people are so mad about the name because no one was really complaining when they came up with the awful translation of “ultra instinct” which is just as bad and dumb as “ultra ego”
I literally could not love Ultra Ego more if I tried. When I first read it, I was cackling with pure delight! Yes, it's a silly name, but for Vegeta? That name is absolutely PERFECT for a Vegeta-centric power up, and especially given it's the state of being that Beerus is presumably in most, if not all the time? Frankly, making it a trifecta with the Kais and Potential Unleashed is just the cherry on top, Masako.
I really wish they'd bring Gohan back into the fold with his "ultimate" form to help, making the three possible best techniques work together for a cause
@@SuperHothead14 It's sad. Considering it's probably what sparked interest in DB, again, for many old fans and what made new fans of the parody watch the original. I sure re-watched the old DB/Z/GT.
@@TheSnikers111 dbz was a series I watched sporadically growing up. But what Really got me into it again was them doing the abridged series. To the point that I do hear their voices sometimes.
It would make sense that the Saiyan that was tortured the most from the day of his birth will get a form that involves receiving tons of damage in order to get stronger
Something tells me that Goku and Vegeta might fuse to become The Super Ego. 😃😊 Goku being The Id Vegeta being The Ego And Gogeta being The Super Ego. Sounds kinda fitting. 😃😊 Either that or Granola becoming the Super Ego and learn from his ways. 😅😂
@@Koichi-Kun "Makankosapo" which translates to "Light of Death..." at least according to Viz... I kinda like Special Beam Cannon more in that regard. >_> EDIT:"Also, I get the TFS reference, though real talk, that joke hit a little close to home for me, as I couldn't pronounce the Japanese name for a while either..."
I actually like the pay offs from the TOP, vegeta saying “I’m going to do things my own way” when he was trying to get UI. And well played for getting the colour chart prediction right 3 odd years ago.
@@MasakoX Do you think its about time they switch technique? Goku never embrace his saiyan roots. Vegeta never learning other martial arts. Blue gi at the end of z is he embracing his saiyan roots and grandpa gohan.
Also, I think both of the forms are perfect developments for both characters. It fits their characteristics. Now what I hope is that they improve those forms and not add more of them. I want Dragon Ball to be better, I really do, and I do defend it at certain moments, but the series needs to improve as well and not rely too much on the same tropes
@@j.i.k2.044 New transformations every new saga, Goku and Vegeta being the only ones to have the spotlight, one dimensional villains, inconsistent power scaling, etc etc. Dragon Ball lately really has these things that are still the same after many years. And sure, it is what it is known for, but I want it to at least try and move past some of them and develop better as an ongoing series.
Sorry but I don’t think that they would be allowed to stop at Ultra Instinct and Ultra Ego. They would not be able to make any more cool merchandise to sell. And as you know money talks.
@@Matt_Underwood I see what you mean but I think we are at the point where Dragon Ball can no longer please all their fans because of the size of it. Like before people were complaining only Goku got spotlight in DB but now when Vegeta gets spot light and development its now "The Goku and Vegeta show". I think a lot of DBs issues can be solved if we get a time skip after this arc and start fresh
Ultra Ego fits Vegeta so well, especially since he's calling out himself for having a giant ego and is seeming like he's saying his power is now coming from that giant ego.
@@Ramsey276one you mean like literally every villain ever? Can't wait for Vegeta to be put in his place. Again. Like always. "Next time why don't you remember your place like the rest of them... and wait for Goku?"
Dragon Ball transformations nowadays might have more thought put into them than they ever had. I love the meanings and mechanics of Ultra Instinct and Ultra Ego. How they have their own strenghts and drawbacks that mirror each other.
Super: transformations represent deeper aspects of psychology and spirituality, as well as being a creative combination of multiple power ups. Z: less inking hair lol
@@fatdurk7934 Don't need to. Taking damage and getting stronger is literally Goku Black. Clearing your mind and moving autonomously is literally Popo's training. Dragon Ball hasn't had a shred of originality since arguably the Cell saga.
It's always nice when new plot lines let you recontextualize older ones like this. Like it's all coming together. Actually, this notion of Ultimate Gohan being tied to the super ego has me reevaluating his Great Saiyaman persona a little. You could almost say that Saiyaman is a somewhat childish ideal born of Gohan's nostalgia for the adventures he had as a kid, and the mystic form is a more adult ideal shaped by being reminded of how traumatic those adventures really were.
The interesting thing about their new techniques is that they make up for their respective weaknesses as pointed out by Whis during early DBS (i.e. Goku's tendency to let his guard down, and Vegeta's tendency to "overthink") Geets' GoD mode combined with his forced spirit fission is a dangerous combo... The more he gets hit, the stronger he gets; and the more he hits the enemy, the weaker the enemy could potentially get. It suits Vegeta well as much as UI works well with Goku.
Would like to see them lean on gohan harnessing the power of the kais more. Would be cool to see gohan training with the kais to harness that power, while vegeta trains with beerus to harness the power of the gods , and goku train with whis to harness the power of the angels! Would be a cool way to give gohan some relevance again!
UE reminds me of that scene where Vegeta tried to attain Ultra Instinct. However, as time went on he didn't want to look like an idiot so he plays it off. "This is MY new form. Ultra Ego. I was simply... testing the proof of concept in the Tournament of Power. Weaklings like you couldn't understand the machinations of a true Saiyan warrior."
The fact that Vegeta himself names it that just feels like him openly admitting that he's got a giant sized ego but is perfectly okay with it and sees it as more of a positive thing for himself rather than a negative which is something most people wouldn't consider.
Somehow, despite knowing it would end this way, I was still disappointed that they wouldn't give Vegeta the win just this once. At least we got an awesome form out of it, even if it still fell short in the end. But hey, significant character development for Vegeta. I'll take it.
I feel the same exact way. They always have Vegeta fall just short at the very last second. Its too predictable. Just once, I'd like to see him battle to the end and win without some exmachina saving him at the last minute. He beat the crap out of golden freeza just to loose to some nonsense at the very last second and be saved by Whis' time rewind and Goku gets the win again when he didn't really deserve it. This series of events has to stop happening this way for every fight and every villain. I mean, come on. Can the guy win on his own just once? He has probably the most actual development of any major charecter, and its just become tiresome to see the same thing play out every time. Vegeta makes a big leap in personal growth, however satisfying that growth may be, only to fall just short at the end. Its annoying and a bit sad to see this coming every single time.
Gotta give them a reason to shove Goku in there to be the plot armor protag again, just like always. I love Goku but he gets way too much spotlight. In my personal opinion, Dragon Ball as a whole suffers from having way too many characters but not enough screen time for any of them. I wanna see Piccolo get a power-up, or Gohan, or really anybody that isn't Goku and Vegeta. Or at least have Vegeta win for once, because it seems like victory is almost exclusive to Goku and whatever villain who bodies most of the underdeveloped main cast.
@@katkarma5708 I think it was just said for this chapter in context with Granola asking him why he doesn't dodge. He doesn't dodge because of his ego. I don't think it's a name that was meant to be took seriously. It's really just his God Of Destruction form.
I personally just saw this as a great opportunity for them to strategize together with instant transmission. Whoever they are fighting again, Goku and Vegeta could start to swap places when Goku is about to get hit amping up the Ultra Instinct and Alter Ego all at once. This may make them more formidable than any fusion ever did.
Vegeta: YES! I've finally achieved the ultimate power! Tien: Hmph, more like the Ultra Ego.... Vegeta: F*CK OFF TRI-CLOPS Yamcha: Dude, you know how hard he can destroy you at this point, why are you STILL antagonizing him? Tien: Doesn't matter. *He knows how this game works...*
Awesome video you guys never disappoint. Hopefully gohan gets his due. I wonder what his path to new power would look like? A bigger bang? Only a bang? OK maybe not. Mohawk maybe? Since the Supreme Kai's all have Mohawks?
I think the name “Ultra Ego” is perfect for someone like Vegeta. Sure, it sounds silly, but it works for how he acts both out of the form and especially in the form
Nah I ain't calling it that. I don't think he'll ever say that name again, and I don't think Ultra Ego was meant to be took seriously lol. Vegeta was just messing around. It's really just his God Of Destruction form.
The explanation was hard to get at first cuz of no context but after you slid in the context I instantly got what you were trying to convey. Nice stuff man, keep up the good work.
I think ultra ego may actually in a sense represent both ego itsself and super ego. Super ego is essentially the inner voice that guides and informs you beyond base instinct and impulse. Its about what you've learned about the society you are part of, and is sort of a voice conscious of that. Vegeta has over the last few arcs shown great remorse in his former actions, having learned from Goku and the earthlings, absorbing their lessons and having informed himself with their points of view. Think about this form vs some other powers he'd gotten. Super Vegeta back in the day for instance. He is doing a lot less showboating. a lot less prideful boasting. He refers to trying to beat sense into Granolah as tough love, he tests to see how far gone Granolah is by seeing if he'll destroy his own peoples ruins. These aren't the actions of someone ruled JUST by ego. He is absolutely loving the combat, and getting deep in the paint, but for his comment about not having anyone here to care about hurting, not having to worry about collateral damage... he is repeatedly in trying to tease some humanity (well... cearlealanity? ) out of Granolah. Thats sort of.... Vegetas arc it seems. He used to destroy willy nilly, but now that he is learning to become a destroyer god, he is choosing to do it responsibly. choosing to be a better kind of destroyer than Beerus. He wants to destroy "Evil" only if he absolutely needs to, because he sees himself in Granolah. Honestly the "Ego" related aspects of the form seem to be the most basal layer and a deeper inspection shows something closer to super ego. Even the name indicates that. If super ego overrides ego, what goes above super ego? why Ultra Ego.
The Ego transformation being focused on self gratification from battle and the Instinct form being based on letting go with one’s lust for battle and not thinking - letting the body move on its own is a GREAT contrast imo. The Ego form’s name makes 100% sense and I like how brutal it was. It almost looked evil
I’d like for you to make an updated color theory video on Ultra Ego and Ultra Instinct soon. I loved your initial video comparing each Super Saiyan form to different states of mind and chakras!
@@beanieboi7743 i don't even count it as an L just the momentum shift again the fight is gonna end after this chapter though I estimate they won't fight the entire chapter of 76
Honestly, in many cases this is a win. Not an absolute win, but Vegeta finally stood his own ground, and fought a more powerful person to a standstill. That sort of outcome would not be done before then, or at least only the Namek saga where Vegeta blinded Zarbon.
Masako, I think I'm gonna be eternally grateful for your videos. You have given me a few ideas for my doctoral thesis. I'm gonna start my research right away. Thank you very much indeed.
FINALLY! THANK YOU! Every other discussion of Ultra Ego I've seen, not a single person brought up the psychology aspect that could've gone into the name!
What I like about ultra instinct and ultra ego is that these transformations are related to back to what whis describes both sayians. Vegeta thinks too much and goku doesn't think enough. Instinct is automatic and requires no thought while ego is all about the indulgent of battle and being in control of a beserking power.
Then shouldn't Vegeta have learned Ultra Instinct since he needs to be in the here and now? And Goku should've learned something like Ultra 'Analysis' where he does start thinking.
@@colegillgrass3373 It exaggerates their flaws not complement them. Goku doesn't have to think and Vegeta...I guess he can still think while he's getting beat up
The Gohan "Super Ego" connection also works on the level of him not being as strong later in the series as he was then, his "Ideal Self" has evolved, from being a warrior and hero to being parent and husband: notably, he accepts his loss of power without shame, as his priorities have changed.
Also, unlike Goku and Vegeta, who generally did what they wanted and may have had morals but morals centered around fighting and Saiyan pride and whatever recruitment thing Goku wants, Gohan is very clearly humanly moral. His big moment was defeating Cell, after realizing Cell would destroy what he held dear and Earth. He also cares about a well-balanced life, bring to mind Aristotelian morals in well-rounded and seeking to practice morals. He is clearly nice and approachable. The problem is that when he thinks he has the upper hand in everything he lets go so hard. But then again, a representative of the superego only cares about morals and what’s right, thus why he only fights when the world is endangered once again. In short, how Gohan conducts himself aligns nicely with him aligning to the superego.
I guess there were two reasons for SSB Evolution to exist: 1. To symbolize how Vegeta does care about those around him and how he'd do everything in his power to protect them 2. Give Vegeta his version of Goku's SSB+ Kaioken×20
Thank you so much for digging deep into these stories! I really appreciate your efforts and although the true details of your research can truly only be appreciated by the few intellectually minded I can reassure you that your work is very special and unique in our hearts. Thank you for making all the connections and taking the time to provide all the wonderful supporting data. Even though the authors of Super may not be taking their story crafting framework from psychological concepts I can fully appreciate how you are making such beautiful parallels. I think you would be a Supreme Dragon Ball Super writing director who would make these characters ooze with intriguing depth and satisfying symbolic significance.
This video has given me a whole new way to look at Dragonball transformations as a whole. I always believed that UE and UI were complete opposites but this only further cements my thoughts. Keep up the great work! Also UE is now EASILY my favorite transformation in all of Dragonball.
We just know the full connection for "self" will happen when Vegeta is a complete God of Desturction and Goku is a perfectly mastered UI and they make the perfect fusion.
Well said. I've been noticing these themes as well. I'm really excited seeing it play out. This whole dynamic of the super story is looking really well thought out these last few arcs. I like that the seeds of the idea that is the instinct states was heavily foreshadowed early in the super run. It's a great time to be a dragon ball fan right now .
I love that these theories help me learn obscure things while still making sense, well until I try to explain it to someone and sound like a crazy person
Love it love love it. Vegeta gets a new form distinct for him but with actual unique traits and it stands out for him in a cool way. Ever since they reset his character in super/BoG, I was hoping they'd push his character in an interesting way. So for once seeing him tapping into his pride and vices for a benefit is pretty cool. But he still also gotta control and manage it so he doesn't leave himself open, vs ultra instinct which just kind of sprays your blood/energy everywhere violently after a certain time limit. Oh and the brows are the best part you know its true
Would love to see a chapter where Ui and Ue try to fuse but it either just doesn't flat out work (due to the conflict between Ego and Id theory) or have the fusion result in something completely different or wrong. Maybe needing a Superego counterpart to complete the fully realized Self of the new fusion? 👀
If I may give it a try. Ultra Instict is like when you reach that "flow" state in sport or what ever it is you do. Ultra Ego is that ultra focus you get when something goes wrong and you have to course correct deliberately under immense stress 🤷♂️ Something like that.
@@MasakoX the technique just need little movement just focus and clear mind. Beerus never have expression and move neccesary if needed. Vegeta just focused on training granolah not fighting. He is out of focus.
Thank you for this video Masako! I did give in and see earlier spoiler vids, but they just don't have the same quality analytics and mostly just wanted to complain about Vegeta. I had never thought that Vegeta was trying to ge thru to him. Now it just seems to make more sense for who he has become. It was a nice video thank you.
Vegeta just got the biggest upgrade , this transformation is awesome and the action too hell yeah , in few ways i think its better than ultra instinct but still man those dodges of ultra instinct ahh they are just on another level man
"As old as time itself by now" - Time itself is younger than me. Now I really feel old. So, if Ultra Ego is a not-Saiyan specific power, and you get stronger from getting hit in the face. Is it finally Kriller time?
They should make a spinoff called Dragon Ball B. Because it focus on the B-Team. Tien, Yamcha, Chiaotzu, Launch, & Krillin. They take on the lesser threats. Go on their own adventures. Fight their own villains.
There are so many RUclipsrs bashing this form, saying it failed and Vegeta's training was for nothing. It's nice to see you go deeper into this form and actually give it a chance. I personally like how Ultra Ego is the opposite of Ultra Instinct. It's like an energizing tank compared to a glass canon. The fight with Granolah isn't over as well, so we'll see what else Ultra Ego Vegeta can do.
Everyone who has watched Digimon understood why it was called Mega instinct in Spanish, seeing as how the mega digivolution is stronger than the ultimate, or ultra digivolution
11:50 Potential Unleashed wasn’t a Kai path though. Elder Kai was only able to do it after fusing with the witch. That’s why it took a whole magic ritual instead of placing a hand on Gohan’s head. The Kai path is still unknown to us.
I have mixed feelings about it. We were lead to believe that for many years UI was supposed to be the end goal. It was proven to be superior multiple times when Whis used it on Beerus and when Beerus used a version of it fighting the other gods. It's only recently been mentioned that Hakai power can rival UI. I still think it's Toryama way of ensuring Vegeta stays 2nd to Goku.
If nothing else, now they are true rivals. Each pursue a different power that brings them just as powerful as each other. It is not one-sided like in Z but it is not still catch-up. These are truly equal and separate powers, wielded by two people with different philosophies but are just as good at fighting.
I can't remember the show making us believe ui was the end goal. At best it was just shown as a goal for goku to reach. So was super saiyan. Basically, it's dragon ball, there will always be stronger stuff. Ui itself isn't a special technique. There are way better techniques to have than it. That's not to say UE is special either.
Plus, it seems that Goku and Vegeta are starting to become equals with different powers starting the end of the Universe Survival Saga (Royal Blue/first Perfect Ultra Instinct)
When you realize, despite these crazy new forms, the final battle of Dragonball could never be Goku vs Vegeta... Because people would complain its ripping off Hokuto no Ken.
Actually that's not all the way true because in Dragonball online a game that Toriyama worked on there is a actual Final Battle between Goku and Vegeta. I do wish they would canonize that battle when dragonball moves on to the next generation.
Ego... After Zen and Eckart Tolle, ego is not what one should call the true self. It is a program, which tries to convince with thoughts that itself is the true you. Those who identify with it, strengthen it, which gains a greater foothold on the internal observer, which is us. If traumata are present, aware or unaware, the ego will project all those externally without any regard to the wellbeing of the others. If anything, the ego is a bad master, but a excellent teacher in showing who you are not. As for Ultra Ego, it feels more approciate to call it Ultra Clarity, where the internal observer and consciousness, is not obstructed in what they wish to do and make it happen.
You know, that part at 10:24 got me thinking. Isn't that somewhat like the Sparking Joy transformation you came up with some time ago? Some similarities do seem to pop out to me, though it has been some time since I rewatched that video.
I've just been rewatching Super. Destroyer energy is purple, which is the same color as Vegeta's original color scheme on his energy attacks (Garlic gun! haha). I'm sure you guys have seen the connection already and maybe I missed the connection in a video or something, but because of those videos I actually looked at the color scheme. Freeza's power beams are also purple or pinkish purple, which that was the other theory of the "new god of Destruction", so it kinda still plays into the theory of color scheme. Just making connections with your color scheme videos. As always, enjoy your videos even if I don't comment.
Another psychological impact you could deduce from their chosen methods of transformation. It was always assumed that Goku’s main love was fighting, but this could move that motivation to Vegeta, and now Goku’s motivation is purely winning. After all, if he wins a fight with UI, but he wasn’t conscious of the moves he was making, was it truly him that fought?
I was thinking the same thing about Mystic Gohan. It boggles my mind abd lowkey upsets me how much wasted potential for exploration dbz had in the realms of all of this, with Gohan especially
The stuff you said about Ego makes a lot of sense with not just Vegeta, but Beerus as well. If you go back to battle of gods, Beerus is having the time of his life, to the point where he almost looks manic, it really makes a lot of sense that Vegeta acts the same sort of way.
Interesting theory, possibly canon for sure, but there are a couple holes. In both the show and manga, it's made clear Beerus was pursing Ultra Instinct. The manga may have retconned this concept before you did with the lines before Vegeta's training, but being a true counterpart to UI conflicts with that. The other detail is with the kais, though again potentially an issue with the series rather than the channel. While the grand supreme kai and gohan fit well, nearly all the other Kais we've seen (i.e. Gowasu, Shen, Elder Kai) are very different.
Not gonna lie, I was getting MAJOR Kenpachi Zaraki vibes from this chapter. I love the concept of bruiser type of warrior that forgoes all defense and gets stronger and wilder as they take damage and are just having the time of their life during a fight.
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Honestly I like the form i feel that it fits vegeta he's always had bravado since birth I don't get how people hate it it expresses how vegeta and goku contrast and compare
I.O.C Vegeta
I'll admit the form surprised me. I expected a new power, not a form.
What if Androids never turned good?
What if Goku went with Trunks in the hyper Bolic lion tamer?
yes
TFS Vegeta: "I AM PURE. UNADULTERATED. BADASS!"
TFS Tien: "Yeah, more like Pure Unadulterated Ego."
I HEARD THAT TRICLOPS!!!!
@@lcc2348 “Is that okay?”
@@lcc2348 Is that okay? 😏
@@thegirlfrommars4386 "As a matter of fact, it isn't."
Tien called it
Can't wait until Vegeta tells Whis and Beerus about "Ultra Ego" and they say "that's not a thing"
Or better yet he tells them and they either say
"Didn't you always have it with how often you get pummeled?"
or "Just when your ego couldn't get bad enough."
"That's not a thing... and if you weren't so up yourself you'd have surpassed Goku long ago".
Vegeta: I made it a thing!
Didn't he admit that it was his own power that he unlocked after training?
Uhh actually vegeta that’s just ultra instinct sign but worse
Whis: "If you want to become stronger, you need to let go of that stubborn pride."
Vegeta: "Nah."
Whis: "Do you really believe you own hype *that* much!?"
Vegeta: "I AM THE HYPE!"
Whis: "You mean the asshole."
@@EWOODJ goku: hahaha he got you there geets
Whis: but you have problems to
*Decks goku in the stomach*
And he did what whis told him which is how he achieved ultra ego
@@the_real_idoit8166 Goku: Hurt noises
Beers: very well then. Let's do it *my* way then
Mega Instinct? What's next, Maximum Over-Instinct?
No the next thing is them putting them together and seeing what those powers are in fusion.
Mega is lower than ultra so its not an upgrade
@@nolanlynch2430 not gonna lie I would love to see that maybe Gogeta/Vegito can use both or even combine the form.
Ultra instinct turbo
Super mega ultra maximum Instinct: Arcade edition 2
Ultra instinct: can’t touch this
Ultra Ego: I want all the smoke, and then some after
Goku: "I'mma Dodge Tank!"
Vegeta: "I'm the face tank that you can't live without..."
Dende: "Okay... a Dragoon and a Black Knight... *heavy sigh* Protect your White Mage against Bahamut please..."
Accurate!
ol geets turned getting bodied into a powerup...gotta give the saiyan with a fivehead some credit for that.
@@tigerwarrior1787 English please
Barock Obummer
It’s an FFXIV reference.
Goku can’t be hit, Vegeta just shrugs off damage, Dende is the healer and a powerful enemy is Bahamut.
The name "Ultra Ego" took a while to grow on me. It sounded so underwhelming, but then it made sense to me as it was Vegeta giving it the name to somewhat mock the name 'Ultra Instinct'.
@@rohanabc2361 No, ultra ego is better, instinct of conquest sounds dumb
@@rohanabc2361 The whole "of" already ruins it. Maybe "Ultra Oblivion" since Vegeta loved to use that term.
@@diablo.the.cheater As does ultra ego. Or ultra instinct for that matter...
But ultra instinct wasn't named by Goku, it was named by the Angels
I find it a little hypocritical people are so mad about the name because no one was really complaining when they came up with the awful translation of “ultra instinct” which is just as bad and dumb as “ultra ego”
I literally could not love Ultra Ego more if I tried. When I first read it, I was cackling with pure delight! Yes, it's a silly name, but for Vegeta? That name is absolutely PERFECT for a Vegeta-centric power up, and especially given it's the state of being that Beerus is presumably in most, if not all the time? Frankly, making it a trifecta with the Kais and Potential Unleashed is just the cherry on top, Masako.
I really wish they'd bring Gohan back into the fold with his "ultimate" form to help, making the three possible best techniques work together for a cause
I have loved the ultra ego
If Gohan gets a power-up of the Gods, it should be called Ultra Control, to complete the Id/Ego/Superego pair that seems to be suggested.
This guy gets it
its the multiplier boost of super saiyan with destruction power instead of blue. No beerus does not do that, only saiyans could.
Been getting TFS Tien vibes from these names:
“Mega Saiyan, Ultra Saiyan? Maximum Over-Saiyan”
"F**K OFF TRICLOPS"
maximumer over-saiyan sounds better than ultra ego...
@@ryszakowy If it was anyone BUT Vegeta I would agree, but because Ultra Ego belongs to Vegeta I have to hard disagree on principle.
Limit-over-accel-saiyan !!
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Wrong franchise?
You're mocking me
When they finally do the English dub I want Vegeta to scream "I am the Hype", actually would suit him.
Considering Toei’s hatred of tfs, they would never allow it.
@@SuperHothead14 It's sad. Considering it's probably what sparked interest in DB, again, for many old fans and what made new fans of the parody watch the original. I sure re-watched the old DB/Z/GT.
@@TheSnikers111 dbz was a series I watched sporadically growing up. But what Really got me into it again was them doing the abridged series. To the point that I do hear their voices sometimes.
Hilariously enough, Sabat would totally be down with that. He loves the TFS guys.
@@SuperHothead14 who knows, there is tfs ref in super after all. Mr Popo finally showed his true colors
Ah the good old nail gun, its a simple technique but quite unbreakable
_I understood that Reference_
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It would make sense that the Saiyan that was tortured the most from the day of his birth will get a form that involves receiving tons of damage in order to get stronger
Frieza you made this man🗿
it seems also more inline with their sayajin nature
hello freeza from fighterz
Really reminds me of Guts from Berserk.
Kinky.
Win or lose I’m really excited for Vegeta’s development of his own unique path that contrasts Goku’s Ultra Instinct.
Something tells me that Goku and Vegeta might fuse to become The Super Ego. 😃😊
Goku being The Id
Vegeta being The Ego
And Gogeta being The Super Ego.
Sounds kinda fitting. 😃😊
Either that or Granola becoming the Super Ego and learn from his ways. 😅😂
I would SWALLOW a Fruit of Knowledge to see these Saiyan Skill Trees
XD
People: Ultra Ego is a dumb name
Dragon Ball: "Special beam cannon" "Double Sunday Attack"
Also, there's an entire family named after undergarments.
@@ryanm.8720 Also all the Saiyan's are named after vegetables so like...
Garlic, I mean Galick beam.
Masakapapa- masakapapak- screw it! SPECIAL BEAM CANNON
@@Koichi-Kun
"Makankosapo" which translates to "Light of Death..." at least according to Viz... I kinda like Special Beam Cannon more in that regard. >_>
EDIT:"Also, I get the TFS reference, though real talk, that joke hit a little close to home for me, as I couldn't pronounce the Japanese name for a while either..."
I actually like the pay offs from the TOP, vegeta saying “I’m going to do things my own way” when he was trying to get UI.
And well played for getting the colour chart prediction right 3 odd years ago.
The name grew on me day one, but Masako's wise words helped grow on the name even more!
Awesome!
Ultra ego is the perfect name for vegeta
Honestly i dont understand all the hate its getting
Pog
@@MasakoX Do you think its about time they switch technique? Goku never embrace his saiyan roots. Vegeta never learning other martial arts. Blue gi at the end of z is he embracing his saiyan roots and grandpa gohan.
"Why is Vegeta's forehead so big?"
To match his ultra-large ego.
Also, I think both of the forms are perfect developments for both characters. It fits their characteristics. Now what I hope is that they improve those forms and not add more of them. I want Dragon Ball to be better, I really do, and I do defend it at certain moments, but the series needs to improve as well and not rely too much on the same tropes
What do you mean same tropes?
@@j.i.k2.044 New transformations every new saga, Goku and Vegeta being the only ones to have the spotlight, one dimensional villains, inconsistent power scaling, etc etc. Dragon Ball lately really has these things that are still the same after many years. And sure, it is what it is known for, but I want it to at least try and move past some of them and develop better as an ongoing series.
Sorry but I don’t think that they would be allowed to stop at Ultra Instinct and Ultra Ego.
They would not be able to make any more cool merchandise to sell. And as you know money talks.
@@wildstorm3486 Unfortunately, you are right
@@Matt_Underwood I see what you mean but I think we are at the point where Dragon Ball can no longer please all their fans because of the size of it. Like before people were complaining only Goku got spotlight in DB but now when Vegeta gets spot light and development its now "The Goku and Vegeta show". I think a lot of DBs issues can be solved if we get a time skip after this arc and start fresh
"I call this form... Ultra Badass."
"Yeah, more like Ultra Ego."
"I heard that Triclops!"
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"On second thought, it doesn't sound that bad."
This is canon and I will NOT hear otherwise.
Ultra Ego fits Vegeta so well, especially since he's calling out himself for having a giant ego and is seeming like he's saying his power is now coming from that giant ego.
“Yes, it IS big.
Now TRY TO BRING IT DOWN!”
@@Ramsey276one you mean like literally every villain ever? Can't wait for Vegeta to be put in his place. Again. Like always.
"Next time why don't you remember your place like the rest of them... and wait for Goku?"
@@lolloblue9646 XD
@@lolloblue9646 "Uh, Oh, he just hit the Goku button..."
Dragon Ball transformations nowadays might have more thought put into them than they ever had.
I love the meanings and mechanics of Ultra Instinct and Ultra Ego. How they have their own strenghts and drawbacks that mirror each other.
Yeah, and I hope more people could understand it instead of just hating on it.
Super: transformations represent deeper aspects of psychology and spirituality, as well as being a creative combination of multiple power ups.
Z: less inking hair lol
Recycled Popo's training and recycled Goku Black's thing? THAT is your standard of originality?
@@lolloblue9646 rewatch super if u think thats the same.
@@fatdurk7934 Don't need to. Taking damage and getting stronger is literally Goku Black. Clearing your mind and moving autonomously is literally Popo's training. Dragon Ball hasn't had a shred of originality since arguably the Cell saga.
And the reason why has widow's peak is so big is because he's sponsored by McDonald's
Even though Vegeta is probably not gonna win the fight going forward, the meme of Granolah giving him some head almost made up for it.
He already lost it last chapter he let himself take too much damage in the fight
Hercule Joestar at this point why do we even bother? There's no tension any more, we know Vegeta will never beat the main antagonist.
@@NightmareZerogbs granola is probably not the villain of this arc either he is being played too
@@NightmareZerogbs Dammit Toyotaro, DON'T take that habit from Toriyama!
@@dubuyajay9964 tori wants vegeta to loose so both Tori and toyo gonna do everything to make vegeta loose
As a fan of psychology I absolutely love this theory. Also as a fan of Vegeta I couldn’t be happier.
It's always nice when new plot lines let you recontextualize older ones like this. Like it's all coming together.
Actually, this notion of Ultimate Gohan being tied to the super ego has me reevaluating his Great Saiyaman persona a little. You could almost say that Saiyaman is a somewhat childish ideal born of Gohan's nostalgia for the adventures he had as a kid, and the mystic form is a more adult ideal shaped by being reminded of how traumatic those adventures really were.
I think we all forget about traumatizing the Dragon Ball world is for the Z Team or those associated with it.
I love the fact that vegeta named it "ultra ego" it's so self aware
Geets: "Do you hear that Kakarot?? I am now FINALLY STRONGER THAN YOU!!"
Kakarot: "Neat!"
Geets: "****** You!!"
Both got forms they didnt master
@@roeital5504 Dude it's a freaking DBZA reference, why are you even here lol
@@roeital5504 Depends on your definition of "master". Technically every single form can get even stronger.
@@pascalsimioli6777 tbf I found MasakoX's channel before I knew about dbza. Same could be said here.
@@pascalsimioli6777 SENZU BEAN!
The interesting thing about their new techniques is that they make up for their respective weaknesses as pointed out by Whis during early DBS (i.e. Goku's tendency to let his guard down, and Vegeta's tendency to "overthink")
Geets' GoD mode combined with his forced spirit fission is a dangerous combo... The more he gets hit, the stronger he gets; and the more he hits the enemy, the weaker the enemy could potentially get. It suits Vegeta well as much as UI works well with Goku.
Would like to see them lean on gohan harnessing the power of the kais more. Would be cool to see gohan training with the kais to harness that power, while vegeta trains with beerus to harness the power of the gods , and goku train with whis to harness the power of the angels! Would be a cool way to give gohan some relevance again!
THIS
UE reminds me of that scene where Vegeta tried to attain Ultra Instinct. However, as time went on he didn't want to look like an idiot so he plays it off.
"This is MY new form. Ultra Ego. I was simply... testing the proof of concept in the Tournament of Power. Weaklings like you couldn't understand the machinations of a true Saiyan warrior."
The fact that Vegeta himself names it that just feels like him openly admitting that he's got a giant sized ego but is perfectly okay with it and sees it as more of a positive thing for himself rather than a negative which is something most people wouldn't consider.
Of course he does! That ego is fitting for the Prince of all Sayans! It would be disappointing if he didn’t take pride in his ego.
"Yo, fancy eyes. Your tragic backstory is not so special... My people have been gone since 1988, chapter 195, sunshine."
"N- Nani?!"
Somehow, despite knowing it would end this way, I was still disappointed that they wouldn't give Vegeta the win just this once. At least we got an awesome form out of it, even if it still fell short in the end.
But hey, significant character development for Vegeta. I'll take it.
I feel the same exact way. They always have Vegeta fall just short at the very last second. Its too predictable. Just once, I'd like to see him battle to the end and win without some exmachina saving him at the last minute. He beat the crap out of golden freeza just to loose to some nonsense at the very last second and be saved by Whis' time rewind and Goku gets the win again when he didn't really deserve it. This series of events has to stop happening this way for every fight and every villain. I mean, come on. Can the guy win on his own just once? He has probably the most actual development of any major charecter, and its just become tiresome to see the same thing play out every time. Vegeta makes a big leap in personal growth, however satisfying that growth may be, only to fall just short at the end. Its annoying and a bit sad to see this coming every single time.
It’s not over yet, plenty but chapters to come.
Eh, seeing Vegeta get shafted constantly is the only enjoyment I get out of Super, so I'm more than ok with it
@@MiniBlackWaltz Too hamfisted. If you're going to bait, be a little more subtle. You'll generate more salt that way.
Gotta give them a reason to shove Goku in there to be the plot armor protag again, just like always. I love Goku but he gets way too much spotlight. In my personal opinion, Dragon Ball as a whole suffers from having way too many characters but not enough screen time for any of them. I wanna see Piccolo get a power-up, or Gohan, or really anybody that isn't Goku and Vegeta. Or at least have Vegeta win for once, because it seems like victory is almost exclusive to Goku and whatever villain who bodies most of the underdeveloped main cast.
I think Ultra Ego is a good name, especially since it's the complete opposite of Ultra Instinct
I just hope they decide to keep it going forward
honestly no matter what they call them in my head its just Angel Goku , and God of Destruction Vegeta to me
@@katkarma5708 I think it was just said for this chapter in context with Granola asking him why he doesn't dodge. He doesn't dodge because of his ego. I don't think it's a name that was meant to be took seriously. It's really just his God Of Destruction form.
I personally just saw this as a great opportunity for them to strategize together with instant transmission. Whoever they are fighting again, Goku and Vegeta could start to swap places when Goku is about to get hit amping up the Ultra Instinct and Alter Ego all at once. This may make them more formidable than any fusion ever did.
Vegeta: YES! I've finally achieved the ultimate power!
Tien: Hmph, more like the Ultra Ego....
Vegeta: F*CK OFF TRI-CLOPS
Yamcha: Dude, you know how hard he can destroy you at this point, why are you STILL antagonizing him?
Tien: Doesn't matter. *He knows how this game works...*
As a student of Psychology, seeing you talk about the "Id, Ego and Super Ego" made me jump in excitement
Awesome video you guys never disappoint. Hopefully gohan gets his due. I wonder what his path to new power would look like? A bigger bang? Only a bang? OK maybe not. Mohawk maybe? Since the Supreme Kai's all have Mohawks?
Even Uub rocks the mohawk, and he’s the reincarnation of a reincarnation of a Supreme Kai
You’re onto something lol
@@WoollyOni it simply writes itself.
In portuguese we called it Ego Superior, kinda dope
I think the name “Ultra Ego” is perfect for someone like Vegeta. Sure, it sounds silly, but it works for how he acts both out of the form and especially in the form
This is what we're ACTUALLY calling it now eh? Alright. I'm gonna call it Maximum Over-Ego.
Vegeta: F**k off, Tri-clops
Nah I ain't calling it that. I don't think he'll ever say that name again, and I don't think Ultra Ego was meant to be took seriously lol. Vegeta was just messing around. It's really just his God Of Destruction form.
The explanation was hard to get at first cuz of no context but after you slid in the context I instantly got what you were trying to convey. Nice stuff man, keep up the good work.
I think ultra ego may actually in a sense represent both ego itsself and super ego. Super ego is essentially the inner voice that guides and informs you beyond base instinct and impulse. Its about what you've learned about the society you are part of, and is sort of a voice conscious of that. Vegeta has over the last few arcs shown great remorse in his former actions, having learned from Goku and the earthlings, absorbing their lessons and having informed himself with their points of view.
Think about this form vs some other powers he'd gotten. Super Vegeta back in the day for instance. He is doing a lot less showboating. a lot less prideful boasting. He refers to trying to beat sense into Granolah as tough love, he tests to see how far gone Granolah is by seeing if he'll destroy his own peoples ruins. These aren't the actions of someone ruled JUST by ego. He is absolutely loving the combat, and getting deep in the paint, but for his comment about not having anyone here to care about hurting, not having to worry about collateral damage... he is repeatedly in trying to tease some humanity (well... cearlealanity? ) out of Granolah.
Thats sort of.... Vegetas arc it seems. He used to destroy willy nilly, but now that he is learning to become a destroyer god, he is choosing to do it responsibly. choosing to be a better kind of destroyer than Beerus. He wants to destroy "Evil" only if he absolutely needs to, because he sees himself in Granolah. Honestly the "Ego" related aspects of the form seem to be the most basal layer and a deeper inspection shows something closer to super ego. Even the name indicates that. If super ego overrides ego, what goes above super ego? why Ultra Ego.
The Ego transformation being focused on self gratification from battle and the Instinct form being based on letting go with one’s lust for battle and not thinking - letting the body move on its own is a GREAT contrast imo.
The Ego form’s name makes 100% sense and I like how brutal it was. It almost looked evil
I’d like for you to make an updated color theory video on Ultra Ego and Ultra Instinct soon. I loved your initial video comparing each Super Saiyan form to different states of mind and chakras!
To be fair it did break the internet I mean the entire fandom was up in arms about Vegeta losing and chapter 75 wasn't even as bad as everyone thought
Yea he didnt even technically lose yet so far
@@beanieboi7743 i don't even count it as an L just the momentum shift again the fight is gonna end after this chapter though I estimate they won't fight the entire chapter of 76
@@thenamelessdemigod I agree
Honestly, in many cases this is a win. Not an absolute win, but Vegeta finally stood his own ground, and fought a more powerful person to a standstill. That sort of outcome would not be done before then, or at least only the Namek saga where Vegeta blinded Zarbon.
@@iantaakalla8180 agreed
It does make a lot of sense when you view it through the lens of Id, Ego, and Super Ego
Masako, I think I'm gonna be eternally grateful for your videos. You have given me a few ideas for my doctoral thesis. I'm gonna start my research right away. Thank you very much indeed.
Originally thought that this story was headed towards fusion but now I want to see Goku and Vegeta fighting side by side.
FINALLY! THANK YOU! Every other discussion of Ultra Ego I've seen, not a single person brought up the psychology aspect that could've gone into the name!
What I like about ultra instinct and ultra ego is that these transformations are related to back to what whis describes both sayians. Vegeta thinks too much and goku doesn't think enough. Instinct is automatic and requires no thought while ego is all about the indulgent of battle and being in control of a beserking power.
Then shouldn't Vegeta have learned Ultra Instinct since he needs to be in the here and now? And Goku should've learned something like Ultra 'Analysis' where he does start thinking.
@@cristiansaucedo4707 they learned powers that compliment their own style.
@@colegillgrass3373 It exaggerates their flaws not complement them. Goku doesn't have to think and Vegeta...I guess he can still think while he's getting beat up
@@cristiansaucedo4707 it's all about perspective, it's like dbs wanted to build upon the character's strengths than focusing on their weaknesses
@@jayesh5869 So when Whis told them of their weaknesses, they weren't weaknesses?
The Gohan "Super Ego" connection also works on the level of him not being as strong later in the series as he was then, his "Ideal Self" has evolved, from being a warrior and hero to being parent and husband: notably, he accepts his loss of power without shame, as his priorities have changed.
Also, unlike Goku and Vegeta, who generally did what they wanted and may have had morals but morals centered around fighting and Saiyan pride and whatever recruitment thing Goku wants, Gohan is very clearly humanly moral. His big moment was defeating Cell, after realizing Cell would destroy what he held dear and Earth. He also cares about a well-balanced life, bring to mind Aristotelian morals in well-rounded and seeking to practice morals. He is clearly nice and approachable. The problem is that when he thinks he has the upper hand in everything he lets go so hard. But then again, a representative of the superego only cares about morals and what’s right, thus why he only fights when the world is endangered once again.
In short, how Gohan conducts himself aligns nicely with him aligning to the superego.
I guess there were two reasons for SSB Evolution to exist:
1. To symbolize how Vegeta does care about those around him and how he'd do everything in his power to protect them
2. Give Vegeta his version of Goku's SSB+ Kaioken×20
Be careful letting Vegeta dream without supervision. XD
Vegetas new form is complete offense with little regard for defense and I love that
Thank you so much for digging deep into these stories! I really appreciate your efforts and although the true details of your research can truly only be appreciated by the few intellectually minded I can reassure you that your work is very special and unique in our hearts. Thank you for making all the connections and taking the time to provide all the wonderful supporting data. Even though the authors of Super may not be taking their story crafting framework from psychological concepts I can fully appreciate how you are making such beautiful parallels. I think you would be a Supreme Dragon Ball Super writing director who would make these characters ooze with intriguing depth and satisfying symbolic significance.
Damn, my ultra instinct must be fading...I am a minute late. Time to go ULTRA-EGO!
This video has given me a whole new way to look at Dragonball transformations as a whole. I always believed that UE and UI were complete opposites but this only further cements my thoughts. Keep up the great work! Also UE is now EASILY my favorite transformation in all of Dragonball.
Every Vegeta fan on this planet suddenly woke up and started complaining on Twitter
I really appreciate the time and effort into this video. Made a lot of sense and I really enjoyed it. Keep it coming!
We just know the full connection for "self" will happen when Vegeta is a complete God of Desturction and Goku is a perfectly mastered UI and they make the perfect fusion.
Angel Goku?
Going god of destruction would set Vegeta apart from his family though.
On the other hand, it would justify why Goku and Vegeta would not have seen each other come the Peaceful World Saga: they are now godly beings.
@@Elyseon What if Bulma became the Supreme Kai of U7? I mean, she loves making things from scratch.
Well said. I've been noticing these themes as well. I'm really excited seeing it play out. This whole dynamic of the super story is looking really well thought out these last few arcs. I like that the seeds of the idea that is the instinct states was heavily foreshadowed early in the super run. It's a great time to be a dragon ball fan right now .
I love that these theories help me learn obscure things while still making sense, well until I try to explain it to someone and sound like a crazy person
Very well done video Masako, thank you.
A video of if the forms were combined and how that would work when fused into vegito or gogeta would be nice
Egotistical Instict Vegito
Instinctive Ego Gogeta
Ultra Id Gogeta
As usual, another proof tht MasakoX is one of the most thoughtful DB fans. Good stuff :)
Vegeta has taken being a proud saiyan to the next level
Love it love love it. Vegeta gets a new form distinct for him but with actual unique traits and it stands out for him in a cool way. Ever since they reset his character in super/BoG, I was hoping they'd push his character in an interesting way. So for once seeing him tapping into his pride and vices for a benefit is pretty cool. But he still also gotta control and manage it so he doesn't leave himself open, vs ultra instinct which just kind of sprays your blood/energy everywhere violently after a certain time limit.
Oh and the brows are the best part you know its true
Would love to see a chapter where Ui and Ue try to fuse but it either just doesn't flat out work (due to the conflict between Ego and Id theory) or have the fusion result in something completely different or wrong.
Maybe needing a Superego counterpart to complete the fully realized Self of the new fusion? 👀
If I may give it a try.
Ultra Instict is like when you reach that "flow" state in sport or what ever it is you do.
Ultra Ego is that ultra focus you get when something goes wrong and you have to course correct deliberately under immense stress
🤷♂️ Something like that.
I really really like ultra ego. I like ultra instinct too. Both names are very cool.
Bravo! You can see the best of both worlds!
@@MasakoX the technique just need little movement just focus and clear mind. Beerus never have expression and move neccesary if needed. Vegeta just focused on training granolah not fighting. He is out of focus.
@@MasakoX It can end granolah sacrificing himself like vegeta in buu arc.
It's actually nuts how right your color video is
Not going to lie, this id/ego/super ego theory blew my mind! 😅
Thank you for this video Masako! I did give in and see earlier spoiler vids, but they just don't have the same quality analytics and mostly just wanted to complain about Vegeta. I had never thought that Vegeta was trying to ge thru to him. Now it just seems to make more sense for who he has become. It was a nice video thank you.
Vegeta just got the biggest upgrade , this transformation is awesome and the action too hell yeah , in few ways i think its better than ultra instinct but still man those dodges of ultra instinct ahh they are just on another level man
I like that they are pushing emotions in a way & personaity as a way to get more power
"As old as time itself by now" - Time itself is younger than me. Now I really feel old.
So, if Ultra Ego is a not-Saiyan specific power, and you get stronger from getting hit in the face. Is it finally Kriller time?
Maybe Krillin should try the UI skill tree first...
XD
@@Ramsey276one UI seems more Piccolo's department. He's the one who knows how important it is to DOOOOOOOOOOOODGE!
Ultra Instinct Yamcha vs Ultra Ego Tien would be a match for the ages.
This is by far the best explanation of UE I have ever heard.
This new form is perfect for vegeta. And the name of it fits everything that vegeta. While I don’t like the name it’s amazing for vegeta
They should make a spinoff called Dragon Ball B. Because it focus on the B-Team. Tien, Yamcha, Chiaotzu, Launch, & Krillin. They take on the lesser threats. Go on their own adventures. Fight their own villains.
Oh yeah, good ol' Veggie :)
There are so many RUclipsrs bashing this form, saying it failed and Vegeta's training was for nothing. It's nice to see you go deeper into this form and actually give it a chance. I personally like how Ultra Ego is the opposite of Ultra Instinct. It's like an energizing tank compared to a glass canon. The fight with Granolah isn't over as well, so we'll see what else Ultra Ego Vegeta can do.
Everyone who has watched Digimon understood why it was called Mega instinct in Spanish, seeing as how the mega digivolution is stronger than the ultimate, or ultra digivolution
11:50 Potential Unleashed wasn’t a Kai path though. Elder Kai was only able to do it after fusing with the witch. That’s why it took a whole magic ritual instead of placing a hand on Gohan’s head. The Kai path is still unknown to us.
I have mixed feelings about it. We were lead to believe that for many years UI was supposed to be the end goal. It was proven to be superior multiple times when Whis used it on Beerus and when Beerus used a version of it fighting the other gods.
It's only recently been mentioned that Hakai power can rival UI. I still think it's Toryama way of ensuring Vegeta stays 2nd to Goku.
I mean it still is. Goku has far from mastered ultra instinct.
If nothing else, now they are true rivals. Each pursue a different power that brings them just as powerful as each other. It is not one-sided like in Z but it is not still catch-up. These are truly equal and separate powers, wielded by two people with different philosophies but are just as good at fighting.
I can't remember the show making us believe ui was the end goal. At best it was just shown as a goal for goku to reach. So was super saiyan. Basically, it's dragon ball, there will always be stronger stuff. Ui itself isn't a special technique. There are way better techniques to have than it. That's not to say UE is special either.
Plus, it seems that Goku and Vegeta are starting to become equals with different powers starting the end of the Universe Survival Saga (Royal Blue/first Perfect Ultra Instinct)
1:07 I call that as "Super Saiyan Royal Blue" which is fitting for Vegeta, the Prince of Saiyans.
Isn't his aura purple now?
When you realize, despite these crazy new forms, the final battle of Dragonball could never be Goku vs Vegeta... Because people would complain its ripping off Hokuto no Ken.
Actually that's not all the way true because in Dragonball online a game that Toriyama worked on there is a actual Final Battle between Goku and Vegeta. I do wish they would canonize that battle when dragonball moves on to the next generation.
Ego... After Zen and Eckart Tolle, ego is not what one should call the true self.
It is a program, which tries to convince with thoughts that itself is the true you. Those who identify with it, strengthen it, which gains a greater foothold on the internal observer, which is us.
If traumata are present, aware or unaware, the ego will project all those externally without any regard to the wellbeing of the others.
If anything, the ego is a bad master, but a excellent teacher in showing who you are not.
As for Ultra Ego, it feels more approciate to call it Ultra Clarity, where the internal observer and consciousness, is not obstructed in what they wish to do and make it happen.
Funnily enough, if one observes the ego by being in the lookout for thoughts, there will be no thoughts. The head will be empty.
I want the real name of the form cause ultra ego sucks
We hope to convince you otherwise. If not, fair enough :)
@@MasakoX hopefully
I don't think it even has a real name. It's just really his God Of Destruction power.
You know, that part at 10:24 got me thinking.
Isn't that somewhat like the Sparking Joy transformation you came up with some time ago? Some similarities do seem to pop out to me, though it has been some time since I rewatched that video.
Ohhhhh....that's a good point.
Incredible deduction! Subbed.
I've just been rewatching Super. Destroyer energy is purple, which is the same color as Vegeta's original color scheme on his energy attacks (Garlic gun! haha). I'm sure you guys have seen the connection already and maybe I missed the connection in a video or something, but because of those videos I actually looked at the color scheme. Freeza's power beams are also purple or pinkish purple, which that was the other theory of the "new god of Destruction", so it kinda still plays into the theory of color scheme. Just making connections with your color scheme videos. As always, enjoy your videos even if I don't comment.
Another psychological impact you could deduce from their chosen methods of transformation. It was always assumed that Goku’s main love was fighting, but this could move that motivation to Vegeta, and now Goku’s motivation is purely winning. After all, if he wins a fight with UI, but he wasn’t conscious of the moves he was making, was it truly him that fought?
I was thinking the same thing about Mystic Gohan. It boggles my mind abd lowkey upsets me how much wasted potential for exploration dbz had in the realms of all of this, with Gohan especially
The stuff you said about Ego makes a lot of sense with not just Vegeta, but Beerus as well. If you go back to battle of gods, Beerus is having the time of his life, to the point where he almost looks manic, it really makes a lot of sense that Vegeta acts the same sort of way.
Interesting theory, possibly canon for sure, but there are a couple holes. In both the show and manga, it's made clear Beerus was pursing Ultra Instinct. The manga may have retconned this concept before you did with the lines before Vegeta's training, but being a true counterpart to UI conflicts with that. The other detail is with the kais, though again potentially an issue with the series rather than the channel. While the grand supreme kai and gohan fit well, nearly all the other Kais we've seen (i.e. Gowasu, Shen, Elder Kai) are very different.
Great video man i subbed like two weeks ago i love the content.
Wow these transformations are crazy
Not gonna lie, I was getting MAJOR Kenpachi Zaraki vibes from this chapter. I love the concept of bruiser type of warrior that forgoes all defense and gets stronger and wilder as they take damage and are just having the time of their life during a fight.
Awesome video!