The Arms and Armour of a 12th Century Knight
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- Опубликовано: 9 май 2019
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This video would've been spooky in vr
Nahh, black & white is spookier, with the full moon silhouetting bleak autumn trees as bat's fly past & wolves howl. We can all forget it's supposed to be about 12'th Century arms & armour.
I need a .gif if him bent over waving his arms around 8:53 or 9:50
I need a gif of him doing the macarena
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@@heimegut6133 this has made my day
I especially appreciated this because in general there is so little on RUclips about the 12th and 13th centuries. Nearly everything is earlier or later.
They needed this armour to fight evil rabbits
After they've answered these questions three. No. 1 What is your point favourite colour.
Blue..... No! I mean green AAHHHhhhh....
They'll also need a holy hand grenade of Antioch
Is it true that most knights had no more than two arms at any time?
ctastrophe It significantly depends upon whether or not said knight wore black armour and attained scratches from his enemies
I believe he means mace, lance and sword
And I'm kinda interested in serious answer lol.
When they invented codpieces we could say that constitutes another arm of some sort
im assuming youre reffering to weapons instead of monty python, to answer your question, yes, the sword was never a primary weapon it's a secondary weapon, aside from a sword theyd carry a spear or a lance depending on their duty and once they got too close for that theyd use their sword.
Hand to hand combat must have been gnarly as hell.
He briefly mentioned the rules of a shield are a little different as a left handed fighter. Being left handed myself, I have always wondered exactly what advantages and challenges it would present, as usually you are blocking heavier blows coming in from the shield side, but a lefty vs righty match up has those main attacks hitting from the sword side from both fighters. Would have loved to have seen him touch on that a little more.
@A Wyzard's Life I never thought I'd get such good fighting analysis form a magic user. :p
Lefties always die first in battle because they do everything cack-handedly
There's a leftie in a viking reenactment group I was in, and apparently he usually has an advantage against those not used to fighting against lefties.
@@TearsofaLunarian As a HEMA practitioner for many years, this I can attest. Lefties are a pain to fight.
Being left handed in the period could be viewed as heresy xD
I love it how he started the video praising the sun
So that's what you do with your weekends...
Bucket helms are post 1180, with a back plate on the helm like that, closer to 1200 (13th century). Phyrgian helms were the top end of fashion for 1135 through to post 1160. Otherwise, not bad
@TerranCrusader bucket helms are 13th century, 12th century helmets are still nasal.
Nasal with a phygian style comb at the top right? I think you could wear a masked helmet but the back edge should be higher up for the 12th century
@nicholasricardo8443 Yeah they had faceplate helmets in the late 12th, they also had enclosed helms and rounded nasal helms.
I love the idea that William the conqueror had to do the hand stand shakey dance to get his armor off.
You wouldn't be a poor, squireless reenactor and actually have someone to help, though, but the thought is funny indeed :D
This video made me grin from ear to ear. Both informative and hilarious!
Eva Breedveld Thank you I’m glad you enjoyed it!
@@historywithhilbert146
I have heard stories in the 11th-12th centuries. Most KNIGHT WARRIORS can defeat SUPERNATURAL BEINGS and FORCES. because of their SUPER FAITH and CONVICTION and their skills in fighting Combat. Only SWORDS and SHIELDS are their weapon againts the forces of darkness💯.. is it true. Have you heard that kind of a mideval story about knights or it's just a legend or a myth
...so, this is you trowing the gauntlet in the arena of Lindibeige, Metatron, Shadeversity, Skalgrim and the like?
This is so great! Very informative. I love seeing 12th century knights/equipment - so often the later 13th/14th C. full plate armor stuff is way over represented.
13TH Century wasn't full plate really lol
really enjoyed this
Very neat summary, but I disagree with some points, like preferring the small mace instead of a sword in a period where large shields were so common.
People tend to overlook the fact that sword thrusts also pack blunt impact and can be aimed at head to toe from the same position, compared to the angle limited and telegraphed swings of a mace.
I USED TO WIRK & BROUGHT MY KIDS UP REN FAIRES & I'M STILL LEARNING MORE!! THANK YOU GUYS & KEEP `EM COMING!!!
I do a bit later period, but some things should aply to this too. 1) Accordingto my knowledge, his helmet is wrong. This type should be well fitted, and you wouldn't throw it away- you'd do that with a great helm, which is, obviously, bigger, to fit the skull helmet underneath, and a bit differently constructed. 2) there's currently a lot of experimentation with fitting chainmail more closely to the body. Pictoral evidence sugests that it was the case back in medieval, and those who already did it (two guys from germany, I can't remember their names) reported great increas in comfort and agility. This aplies especially to the coif- on most pictures, we can quite clearly see, that it's well fitted to the head, not loose like a hood. 3) more and more people here in bohemia is experimenting with not wearing a padded armor underneath their mail/plates. They substitute it with rough tunik or two, or a rough civilian coat for plates. This goes hand in hand with no. 2- reenactors often look like Mischelin mascote, thanks to our overdone padding, yet every piece of pictoral evidence sugests this wasn't the case at all. By pointing out these things, I don't wanna tear down this guy, his gear looks pretty decent, my intention is just to share most recent knowledge with a fellow reenactor.
The point about padding may just be more to do with modern Health and Safety standards for re-enactment fights though. Guys engaged in Buhurt certainly look like oversized man-tanks with all they've got on underneath. I would however conjecture that it may be that such padding existed at the time, and the choice of more or less padding is more about the trade-off between better protection but being unable to move very quickly or go with less protection and have better range of motion, and simply depended on the wearer's preference. Then again, conjecture.
@@Locahaskatexu I was refering to reenactors, not HMB. There certainly are trade offs given by the nature of us being modern people not actually wanting to kill each other, and buhurt is extremely full of them, but reenactment doesn't have to be. Because again - evidence we have strongly suggests they were overall willing to trade less protection for more mobility. And our experiments suggest this was enough and is enough even for us today. Even the weapons we have tend to be bigger and tougher than the originals.
@@jankopransky2551 Ah, apologies, I missunderstood :)
I wish I could like this video twice. Good work, I look forward to seeing more of your content.
Well this is going straight into my year 7 lessons! Thanks for sharing!
Absolutely FANTASTIC!!THANKS FOR THIS!
I've seen in another video that they would wear a belt in the mail to help distribute some of the weight to the waist so it's not all on the shoulders
That's the idea, shifting the weight of the lower half of the armor to the hips. However, everything else is concentrated on the shoulders.
But extended wear will still tire you out, especially if it's a hot day.
This looks very good compared to some of the other videos here on YT. This general fit and the quality of the mail is so much better.
Yea knights would have armor tailored to fit their body
Beautiful mail shirt, such a small rings diameter, awesome! But still "only" wearing a gambeson is such a relief in the heat of summer until you're facing spears "oops"
Thank you Hilbert, great one but Ed should train a bit with his mitaines/ shield "tactics" says the guy that pours liters of water in any HEMA suit :D
Take care
Very entertaining, thank you and thank you ED.
Very interesting Ed and Hillbert, thank you
Please do more of this!
Excellent video Thanks.
Very interesting info about the bluntness, I didn't know that!
I like maces. Good for bashing belgians who should have never left the Netherlands back in 1830.
Idiot. Belgium doesn't exist.
@@briandoolittle3422 "Aha, so you see violence is inherent in the system!"
Thanks to that the Netherlands avoided ww1 and since then they outnumber the Belgians.
@@2adamast Or... germany just decided not to invade Netherlands because it was geographically unnecessary to strike at Paris?
😂😂😂
8:52 that’s how you shed some scales. His shed game is on another level and is far superior to what any snake can do. Take notes all you snakes, you could learn a thing or two.
This is great video.
Philip Niko Cheers man!
Make more of these!
I absolutely loved this video
Thank you for filming, editing and posting this video. It has put a much finer point on medieval war habiliment(s). It is hard at times to visualize the vestments that knights were dressed in. This has enlighten my understanding of many pieces of the clothing worn. Good grief, the knights must have been extremely well conditioned and in excellent form. Can one even begin to comprehend the agony of Middle Eastern climates and full armour during any of the Crusade periods. Gives one respectful insight to what was endured. Tarah from the Great State of Texas!
They had to stay in peak physical condition to wear these, William Marshall was 70 and still wore this stuff
Great video
totally fascinating !!!!!
This video was actually pretty interesting!
Very cool.
This seems to be more of a 13th century kit with the maciejowski gambeson but it still remains a fantastic kit.
This is late 12th century it is accurate
Damn it Hilbert, you summoned my dog from the other room! 8:02
When I first tried making a long-sleeved mail shirt (commissioned by a friend) I added three expansion rings on either side of the elbows, I think set every-other row, to create a pocket that the elbow fit into when bending the arm. I also set the pocket a little further down the arm from where the elbow was (I think just made the sleeve a couple of inches longer above and below the elbow), so when the wearer brings his whole arm forward, the elbow still fits into the pocket and the sleeve doesn't slip too far from the wrist, exposing it (I also added a lace to cinch up the wrist).
That was awesome show us more of this guy!!!!
Neat chainmail btw. More videos like this please
Jonas Richert I should be seeing him tomorrow so we’ll see if I can steal him away from the fighting for another video!
It’s not neat at all in fact it’s pure farb
@@EnglishShieldwall dude no idea what farb means. Fabricated? Farbe?
All I knows is I like to take my kids to the Renaissance festival here every year and watched this vid because I love history. So farb is prob a hobby specific term
@@historywithhilbert146 bribe him with a bottle of port or some beer.
@@EnglishShieldwall like your mum.
5:00 you can also make special letter strap (up-down grip) and took your hand from up to down. It will be better in formation that lefth-right grip
I feel you should make a compilation video of people taking their mail off!
Very handsome fellow :) Loved the video and the passion for the art
Now I can see what my ancestor looked like :) Ty
Can someone tell me, historically, about the mail ring diameter ? Would it be 1.6mm like we see everywhere on the internet or would it be more, like 2.0 or even 2.2 ?
Would love to have info / source on this topic
You are supposed to put the holes in front of your eyes to see around :))
Are you with a reenactment group just wondering as I’m in one for a similar time period?
who is this ed fella and how can we follow him?
fb info's not current, pls do update
note: he says his armor is around 1150-60 which is true except his helm is more of a 1220-30, enclosed helms werent being made until 1180
was gonna say that. a nasal helm would've been better. right?
He said 1150 POST which means after 1150.
Nice video very cool stuff! his fighting was funny tho how he changes stances every time hi hits with an ither hand😂
And the fight season was high summer yiyks!!
Amazing, thank you and thank him for this lovely video
The Macarena was priceless!
Yo hilbert guess what Ashtyn Jon were complaining about you in there video glad they got a strike it got them scared of stealing more history videos but they have stolen another one but atleast they had the brains to link channel
kj Bro Brilliant! RUclips removed both of the (identical) “responses” to my video on the Welsh flag. Would you have a link for their video complaining about me, I’d love to see it 😂
History With Hilbert ruclips.net/video/wX0AaXeKYZM/видео.html at the beginning they start complaining with very poor responses
Absolutely based lad
Aftet getting hit wearing period correct armor with a sword, I can confidently say a sword will also break bones with similar efficacy as a mace would.
Getting hit in the weenus is no laughing matter despite being called the funny bone.
Also, that bit at the end where he was basically "doing a handstand" to get that mail coat off of him? That is precisely why Knights had SQUIRES, so they didn't have to fall head over heels to get themselves out of their armor!
Didn't Knights of this time period also have an over-tunic covering the top of the mail suit? Or was that not standard issue for all Knights and just restricted to orders like the Templars and Hospitallers?
It was common among most knight to wear a surcoat. Apart from the shield and a standard, the coat was an important item to display the colours of your house and you sigil. Moreover, while modern uniforms did not exist during the medieval times, surcoats were used to signify the company you belong to. If the colours of the captain of your company or group on the battlefield had lots of red and blue, you surcoat had to have it to - it made organization easier. (Not all armies did this, though. Also, this was something that was done towards the end of the high middle ages until the rennaisance and later. The english and french definitely, otherwise I don't know))
Really shows how hard it would be to be a knight
They should show this in school
Great helm is worn specifically for charges straight ahead.
I love the chainmail dance.
Can you do 17th century armor
This guy Ed mentioned that he wasn't even wearing the mail pants and the metal chest plate
And he was already sweating profusely. Wow
Sword by heron armoury! Very good reenactment swords
I saw this video on my recommended twice and thought "what the hell is this" because of the thumbnail, then I saw History with Hilbert made it, and like a simple man, I see that name, I click on the video.
very interesting. can you shed some light over german high medieval armour? i really cant find anything about medieval german armor other than late medieval plate and gothic armor and i would really like to see how a german soldier or noble would be armed during the 11-13th centuries.
I never knew chainmail was taken off that way
Jeez and people went through pitched battles in that stuff and crossed through Anatolia in the dead of summer wearing it...that's stamina!
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I have this vague suspicion that a lot of modern shield reconstructions have mistaken the outline of an old Lego shield pattern for a historically accurate kite shield pattern.
Early-mid 13th century*. Ventail needs work, the coif is too high on the brow and perhaps some minor tailoring is needed on the hauberk. Not sure about the vented gambeson, perhaps done in warmer climates such as the Holy Land. The armpit/shoulder generally being a very good spot for a lance. Aside from that, nice stuff.
Also if you're struggling with removing your hands from maille mittens, try a horizontal slit on the bend of your fingers.
Very nice armour, the armour in the video would have been given to a lowly castle or town guard, they could not afford a suit of armour, only nobles could. In, battle legions of men would wear this basic protecton and have been lead by one or two fully armoured knights perhaps. Important to know is that a knight would have an extremely muscled and toned body under the armour, a nobleman would undertake excessive exercise and body training regularly, wearing the suit over time as well as frequent movement adds extra weight and exhaustion so a body needed to be at peak fitness. In these sense, many movies and so on depict a knights body accurately. Modern military and excessive workout training take inspiration from the ancient workout routines
I could swear that secret helms come in after the 12th century.
however, the main task of a knight thus dressed would have been primarily pure horse charge. Seldom pedestrian sword fighting. Charge, pull away rinse repeat.
Not an expert on armour but pretty good engineer, why wouldn’t a knight use a rounded helm to avoid a blade catching the edge and lodging into the bucket?
Very good question and indeed helms like "Bascinets" or even before some kinds of rounded great helms appeared soon after this period and were way more efficient at letting blows glancing and not doing too much damage to your brain, specially concussion one and trust me you should NEVER underestimate concussion damage as Ed underlined! But in the early XIIth century things were different and they hadn't embrace the concept though they quickly learned!
PS: my deepest apologies sir for my poor English
Honestly, from what I've heard, the flat top helmet was from the German school of thinking at the time which was make the helmet as thick as possible and cover as much as possible rather than other schools of thought like Mediterranean which preferred more open and rounded helms. It died out very quickly because a rounded helm as you stated is far better as opposed to a flat top where all the energy of a hit is absorbed into your neck.
If you're on a horse, there isn't much that can hit you from above that you can't block.
So at the time they developed this helmet it most likely made sense for them.
Although later on most if not all knightly helms were domed/rounded.
Engineering back then had to start somewhere too haha
Good question though.
The Knights did have rounded helmets before this (Nasal helmet) and the bucket/pot helm that would eventually evolve into the great helm would then be rounded later on. In the late 12th Century both the new pot and older nasal helms would still have been in use. Regardless even if the blade caught the edge I doubt it could defeat the helmet but probably break the wearer's neck.
Do you make memes for the asnac Facebook page?
Alex Moss I do on occasion ;)
I see the sheilds now come standard with a pillow 😉
I almost thought that this video was from Kingdom Come Deliverance
Your shield. When worn on the back .... you have it upside down. The long strap or 'guige' should still be strung over the shoulder and neck in the frontal combat position to take its weight, whilst the other two straps for elbow and hand are being used. I suspect your hauberk needs higher slits at front and back if you want to either ride or run!
the new bannerlord looks lit
His padding is way too thick, but his kit looks good for the kind of practice I’m sure he does👍
I hate bucket helms. There are so ugly and are used far too frequently for western armored warriors from this period. Awesome video though! 😁
I think they look badass. Very imposing and powerful. They may seem silly looking to you, but it’s dumb to superimpose your own modern tastes onto ancient fashions and armaments.
Modern tastes? What? It’s just an opinion it’s not silly
@@LaneLibra other helmets from Europe and middle east of this period look more imposing though
MrPanos2000 or Central Asia, the Slavic cultures, and the Byzantines (or Eastern Romans).
@@mitch7235 correct. The only reason we see these ugly flat topped pothelms overepresented is because Indian and Chinese workshops can mass produce them easily compared to other styles
Im no expert in XII century armor, but although is still being discussed, I thing this man's kit would classify as overly padded.
You need the padding to deal with blunt damage. Even under plate armor light padding (Aketon) was still used. A mace (or any type of heavy weapon really) could disable you in one blow without it.
@@dikkeroege that's what I had in mind aswell but serious armor enthusiasts and historians aka the most legit and knowledgable people I know about the topic argue against that.
@@dikkeroege btw, under plste armour you don't use padding. Perhaps a little but during tge XIV century but during the XV and XVI century you use a doublet. It has a few cm of y thiccness to make it more comfortable but it's not padding, and definetly not an aketon.
Otherwise it would get extremely hot, and unnecessarily heavy. Also, take a look at museum extants, you'll see the armours are too thin and close fitted as to allow any padding underneath it.
@@dikkeroege about dealing with trauma and maces, remember that when knights are using only mail, the use of shields is still prominent. Textile armor is an armor by itself, the 3 layer system is mostly not accurate
The Coat of Plates wouldn’t of been worn under the Hauberk, it would’ve made worn on top. Look at the effigy of St Maurice to give you a good example.
I confused this for Kingdom Come: Deliverance. You're near a dead-ringer for Henry.
POV: you are a random peasant this knight pulled over to practice on
Love the enthusiasm but there are some oddities in there. Understanding it's two years old, is Ed interested in constructive criticism?
Do tell us!
Did any one else hear someone shout "hes annoying me" at 5:16
I always imagined you were younger
Can hear Metratron from the distance getting triggered.
This should have been called Hilbert almost dies from a crusader
5:25 did you just get your shield out of the way to attack? that's a perfect way to give the enemy a chance to hit you
@skallagrim
That helmet doesn't look very historically accurate to me. Other than that, cool video. Good to see you're still producing content.
It did exist
where the hell is your surcoat
the reenactor should cast to monty python !! great video mate!
Michael Biehn is auditioning for a role as a medieval knight?