Why Ford switched to Aluminum for F150 and Super Duty
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Finally! Rear fenders (and lower cab valence ) that will last more than seven years before rust out. Yay!
Don't know if this weighed into the factor of switching to aluminum or not, but up here in the northeast the aluminum body is a major plus because the road salt in the winter doesn't rot out as fast as steel. In any area where winter hits and the roads get salted (or "treated") we only have about 8 years of service before we are replacing body parts because they are rotted out. Rust is a huge expense to repair and a safety concern as well.
Amen Josh! Here in the Midwest they started using that liquid brine about 25 years ago and that shit kills vehicles WAY faster than the old rock salt. I've got a 05 Chevy half ton that I'm waiting on the body shop to do rockers and cab corners. I bought the truck brand new, had it Ziebarted, wash the hell out of it and keep it in the shed. Only has 77,000 miles and 11 years and its rotting away. GM needs to look into Aluminum alloy cabs at least. P.S. People around here are trying Line-X as undercoating in trying to stop rust, maybe it will work.
Josh Smith but everything else rusts quicker im a machinist your frame and every other steel coponent will rust even faster because of the two unlike metals
Mine seems to be doing just fine..... Ford has insulated every connection point to the frame or dissimilar metals with thick 3M clear film and dielectric fittings. I bet my ford with the aluminum body will outlast my 05' Silverado
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I have an 05 Silverado w/2530k miles. I have a small amount of rust on the bottom of the doors, and that is all. Quarters rockers all good. Never been undercoated. They use the brine on the roads here in Ohio also.
Not sure how this video popped up for me, but I am glad I watched it. Great information, there is always another reason for things more than the average consumer knows.
displayfireworks1: Thanks, glad it was informative. Awesome channel buy the way.
I'm so happy that 20 years from now when your Chevy or Dodge is a complete rust bucket that looks like Swiss cheese my F-250 body will still be structurally sound and rust free
Nice video man. I recognized the highway you were driving in McAllen. I'm from Brownsville and I lived in Mission for a while. Cool.
Your right about this, but you forgot the most important part of why this happened. The government is making them get a certain mpg by the year like 2025 and aluminum is something to get better gas mileage. Chevy and dodge will eventually do it too
Local Cuts Lawn care I heard chevy is already going to make the move to aluminum... and they just finished trash talking Ford for doing it.. talk about putting ur foot in ur mouth... smh
GamesterX69 the original story was to copy ford
What would we do without internet grammar police...
cweve we as a culture have a written language with specific ways to compose it. If the grammar police are not on patrol eventually the entire system degrades into pig latin and we become a 3rd world. Sorry bubb rules are rules for a reason. Long live the grammar police and demand better from our over paid union hack school teachers.
@@flickcogswell220 You weren't hugged as a child were you??
Good work as always!
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This was a very clear message when it came to distinguishing between the Ford F-450 and F-350 as well as the overall rationale for the switch to aluminum. I do still wonder if the new body is a strong as the steel body and thus capable of managing increased payloads. Metal fatigue is understood in steel bodies but perhaps not as much as in aluminum bodies?
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Mcallen, Texas great video sir!
Keep them coming!!
I’m from McAllen also lol
That was a great, thorough, and clear explanation which I hadn't thought of. Thanks for posting.
I swore the palm trees reminded me of the valley! I grew up in Brownsville. Awesome video.
95% of light truck owners don't use them as a truck and never really ever get close to any weight limits
Where did you get 95%? Can you please link the survey, or was that just a number you picked?
@@charleschamberlain53 This number was my own lifetime survey, taken over 50 years
@@Sparkjumper59 so it was just a number you made up !
@@charleschamberlain53 no I didn’t make up a number
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You basically did if it’s your own survey 🤷♂️
Every truck I have ever owned died of rust. I have 240,000 miles on my Dodge and it runs great but the wheel wheels look like Swiss cheese, Ill keep it going as long as I can then get a Ford.
Great info, really insightful! Thank you. I'm a little perplexed at why I just watched you drive down the road for the last 5 minutes though.
So I've been watching all of your videos and making sure that what you're saying stands up to research. So far it all has. How did you become such a well read expert in towing and towing information?
why can't I just get a simple steel truck with decent power and that can Cary and pull extreme weight with no stupid fucking electric gadgets built in
Nathan Webb tundra fam
***** or buy an old one
northlander your a idiot canada is going down the tubes , your dollar can buy anything
you cant buy anything your dollar is only worth 76. cents to us dollar, your going no where
waveridar007 man their 76 cents goes a he'll of a lot further than our American dollar
Trucks are supposed to be a work tool. Aluminum cabs, hoods, and fenders are ok, but not the bed. I don't think twice about loading up my Silverado's bed with 2 tons of gravel, try that in an aluminum ford.
Yea I worked in a welding shop that did repair work on those aluminum dump beds. They get ripped up worse than you know, and they are made of really heavy duty aluminum plate. Most dump beds weigh more than those complete ford trucks!
I believe chevy is switching to aluminum in a year or two.
You have never drop 2 ton or gravel in your truck. You are just basing your lie with GM commercial.
your not to smart when a person put gravel in there truck they most likely have a bed liner that takes up all of the abuse and make the trucks equal
blackericdenice Actually I have more than a few times. Its a work truck to me. 02 Silverado 3500 dually. Its about the only way to make the son of a gun ride smooth. hahaha Go check it out on my channel.
My concern with an aluminum box. I use a ccrsport pro track to transport my my 350lb bike. It's a rail which bolts to the front inside of the box. I mount a winch to it, to pull the bike up a ramp. I'm pretty confident with that on a steel box. But will it tear out on aluminum? Your thoughts?
nice videos, very informative... I would never have imagined I was seeing a video from someone from the RGV. Not that is bad, it's just that i love fishing in SPI.
When I watched this video You Tube ran a GMC HD pick up ad before it.
In 02 I bought a Silverado 8.1 dually 4x4 , the metal and plastic fenders split apart because of a roof rack that carries two ladders ,my ford and dodge pickups never had a bed fall apart ,other things of course, next batch of trucks I'm buying Mitsubishi, my friends have 500k on flatbed and almost no down time ,,I'm not buying plastic and aluminum trucks
Nice to see a RUclipsr from the RGV.... cool videos
Aluminum creates a huge problem when it comes time for collision repair. Aluminum is much more difficult to repair and many shops aren't set up to repair aluminum. Look for these trucks to start popping up left and right at the Salvage Pools. Won't take much to "total" one out.
Best explanation I've heard so on the change over.
But what about the important stuff, like "how long will it last?" and "how much will it cost to get body damage repaired compared to steel?" I'm pretty sure I don't want an aluminum truck. But even Ford's steel trucks were very flimsy. I leaned against the door of one, and made a big dent in it, I weight 250 pounds. Compare that to a '60s model, where I could have slammed my weight into it hard enough to hurt myself without causing any damage to the truck. Also the bumpers of newer trucks are made out of the same thing they make beer cans out of. How many newer trucks have you seen that didn't have pretzels for bumpers? Trucks, and vehicles in general, are getting crappier and crappier.
vulcan1753 and their charging 10x more for a cheaply built piece of junk.
vulcan1753 once they sell it to you they don't care what happens
vulcan1753 God you people are daft.......
Thank you and Thumbs Up! for this informative and insightful video from your newest subscriber. Keep up the good work sir, take a bow.
Ruben Aceves: thank you sir
Ruben Aceves You should do your own research and not listen to this guy's opinions and speculations because he has no idea what he is talking about.
Thanks for the explanation. I totally forgot about class of vehicles for anything but commercial vehicles.
I don't think your right, it's all about corporate fuel economy, it has nothing to do with helping their customers it's pleasing the government regulations. And it's not about payload. We are all paying more for less thanks to the government.
Genius F*cker ...Absolutely spot-on, fella. How about those dinky CAFE "gap fillers" like the Ford Fiesta and the Honda Fit!
"You're". Genius you are not.
R.L. Natch III Next time I'll have you grade my english paper...But not picking my automobiles.
Genius F*cker true. under trump, the EPA is going to take some serious hits! it will be glorious!
Kreuzritter Gottes I hope you are right love to see things change!!!
good vid👌
trevor philips; thank you sir
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Since the introduction of EPA "café" standards over 50,000 Americans have lost their lives due to this government intrusion . Get in an accident in Aluminum or Steel body and see which protects you better.
Interestingly, the F trucks are class leaders in the collision testing. But don't let facts get in the way of your incoherent rant.
Sideslip nothing incoherent about over 50,000 deaths due to EPA since the inception of it , if you choose to ignore FACT this is your problem, I like truth much more than lies, or even name calling.
I actually learned something from this video...Great job buddy
As trucks keep getting bigger, what can they come up with next to save weight to keep it in the class they want it to? Titanium? Balsa wood?
Cheaper towing bills for when they break down.....
Johnny Rocket Oh damn, originality points!
Easier for the old lady to push! Just make sure she doesn't push in the middle of the tailgate, it may cave in.
Hell yeah! FORD "Fucker Only Runs Downhill"! Ahhhhh, come on you Ford guys, Im just messin around. Everyone has their favorite brand and I know Ford builds a pretty good truck. "at least they dont rust out in the bed like a dodge"! Hell, I'll take a Ford over a dodge any day but I'll stick with my old ass '96 chevy 1500 with the antique 350. These new fuckers cost way more than I want to spend for 5-6 years.
Pig Farmer Ben i just wet my pants
wrotenwasp Fords rust out way worse in the bed, the rockers, the fenders, the tailgate and they look way to girly. And they are a shitty truck.
Ford is not worry too much about your truck after warranty ends. they just want their sales numbers to look good.
I guess as long as the truck hold together long enough for you to buy a new one
I just stumbled upon this video and I saw kokos and the valley scenery I had to start the video over and double check lol
hey dude shout out from the Valley. Nice video man.
I knew all this, but no way could I articulate it like you did. great explanation. oh and in my opinion. the aluminum body will come back to haunt ford.
kyle stewart: I do wish they used a high strength steel bed bottom or even a poly sandwiched material to help add extra protection
I agree, at least a factory rhino liner. But I guess that is to much to ask for 60grand truck. :(
+Big truck Big Rv They could if they wanted to. Go back to the mid 90's with the Ford and Chevy half ton step side pickups (yes the F-150 was called a flair side). On those beds you had a steel inner box bonded to fiberglass outer panels. The only issue with the bond would be keeping the Aluminum and Steel separated by some kind of gasket to stop Dissimilar Metal Corrosion.
Flex and time will kill these. We run them at work, we loaded the bed to the tits one day with the doors open, the rear cab doors would not close... We ratchet strapped the doors shut. Your right about GVWR, a 2000's Chevy Astro van can technically pull more than any current half ton truck.
SilverRaven1959 im sure there are plenty of half ton trucks that will pull more than an Astro can but very few of them have the weight to be stable when breaking and turning steep curves, Astro vans are excellent tow vehicles as with any full or mid sized van with the power to do so, I've had 2 Astros and both handled towing a load better than my half ton Chevy or my father in laws F250, both trucks had plenty enough power, just a bit light in the rear
Gilbert McGillicutty lmao your Astro van.... some ignorant people on here. Hook an Astro van up to my f250. Lmao
i have a 16 chevy express 2500 cargo plus a 15 2500 dmax crew cab....2300 payload on the dmax, 3200 on the van...both excellent tow vehicles up to 10k....i rarely go over....have not towed with astro but would make great tow rig..but no where near 10k..
Father of the bride favorite quote.... CHEAPER CHICKEN.....
McAllen!! Haha, I was like, "Hey! Ive been to that China Sea Buffet!" lol. Great vid! Ive been looking at getting a used f150 since theyre made in Aluminum nowadays..... Thanks for the explanation! Subbed!
their is one thing you left out ! alunmum dont rust ! back east life expectancy of a truck i @ 10 yrs so ! long after all the steel trucks are in the bone yard rusting away, the ford is still working and saveing you the cost of a new truck !!
aluminum don't rust it corrode. when a truck i. if u live in the south rust is not a big deal unless u live by the ocean. most people don't just by a new vehicles because of rust they buy a new vehicles because the old one become unreliable
Sure but aluminum doesn't have a reliable fatigue point, so it may not rust but it'll break before the steel does in a long term scenario, so less life to the truck overall.
Which is exactly what ford's looking for,,,, because it means you buy a new truck sooner
@@jonathangarzon2798 Corvettes and other high performance engines use aluminum blocks...airplanes use aluminum body panels...LOL tell me more about the strength and longevity of aluminum. Iv had every brand of truck, im not loyal or bias to brand. Only people who hate on the Ford aluminum body or turbo motors are guys that dont own one
You make a good point. But wouldn't it be better to remove many of the features that litter trucks today like DVD players, automatic climate control systems, multi-speaker audio systems, and leather interiors? With all the electronics in trucks today I bet the wiring harnesses alone weighs hundreds of pounds. Get back to basics and lower the cost and complexity of modern trucks. That would benefit most consumers.
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I agree. I bet a 5sp manual tranny weighs less than these 10sp autos too.
if you live anywhere up north where the roads are covered in salt all winter you will appreciate your vehicle being made out of anything but steel.
When I looked for mine, the chevy was the lightest 1 ton pickup. Of course, sound deadening is less than ideal . But the duramax engine is light.
One way manufacturers need to shed weight is the seats. Seats are well over 50kgs in trucks !
im a chevy fan but I'm a big fan of aluminum because it doesn't rust thats the only thing I like about Ford
Dylan Clay seeing MANY rusty chevy's, I can see why you appreciate the non rusting aluminum!
Ally also stress-cracks and breaks when there is just a tiny bit of flex.
I admit they both have their disadvantages but overall I like aluminum better in general like ladders, dirt bike's and atvs beats the rusting of steel for stuff like that
The whole head-tube will snap off a KTM dirt bike with NO warning while you are showing off to your friends.
Steel frame dirt bikes don't fail like that.
Dylan Clay it will actually caise kore damage to every steel part on that truck because of the two unlike metals
I think i'll stick to my 84 F250 with it's cast iron detroit built big block V8 engine and body made of STEEL rather than buy an aluminum toy with a tiny v6 engine that i'll murder
i for one don't need althe fancy electronic shit these new vehicles have ,, it's a problem called ASIS ,, ADDITIONAL SHIT INSIDE ,,and all of it calculated to fail at the worst possible moment
and literally all of it a distraction ,,especially anything with a touch screen ,and all this new radar safety systems ,, my god people are taking this shit for granted and substituting it for good old common sense driving ability ,, i had a bitch back right into my truck a couple weeks ago and the flimsy excuse she used was that the backup sensor failed ,, jesus whatthe fuck every car comes with mirrors and back window , for gods sake use them already ,and i have seen more and more people depending on this technology and forgetting the things we were taught when we learned to drive
1) the 2017 250 xl (base/8 ft. bed) doesn't offer a V-6.
fngonuts Oops I thought those things all came with that friggin Ecoboost tiny V6 in base config,,which engine does it come with
,,the monster that i drive has a 460 in it ,,,well it was a 460 originally , not so stock anymore ,, much as i like better mileage i can't stand all the electronic stuff these new vehicles have ,,and i'm kinda against aluminum truck engines ,,
my particular monster i built from the ground up to tow my travel trailer cause i kept kiling chevies ,, i fatally broke 3 454s in 1 year ,,4 years now and my 478 big block is going strong it's got about 35K miles on it nearly all towing and so far trouble free ,, except for a set of plugs and points
You obviously haven't driven an Ecoboost engine. Try it, you'll be impressed by the power. Especially a new one with 470 ft/lbs of torque.
Justin Jones I'll put your Ecoboost engine up against my Turbocharged 478 big block any day
the problem with small engines like all small engines they make all of their torque and horsepower at high RPM
nothing says muscle like 550hp at 4000 rpm
and 670LB/Ft at 3100 ,,
the engine is coupled to a 6 speed manual from a 1999 ford superduty ,and mated to a 3 speed Gear vendors overdrive ,giving me 18 speeds total my rear axle gears are 3.55 highway gears ,,
my 9500 pound truck ,a 1984 F250 crew cab when not loaded averages 14 city mpg and 21 on the highway ,,and it will tow my 35ft 5th wheel camper without complaint i can still get 11 on the highway towing the trailer
We're not comparing custom trucks here. We're comparing engines available off the lot in the F-150s. And for God's sake use a period every once in a while!
Good video. Personally, I'm glad I don't see myself ever having the need for a huge tow rig like this. A lot of responsibility!
Spot on. As a mechanic for almost 40 years I can agree completely. As an example, I've had customers by Ford trucks that were the same weight rating ten years apart and the newer truck was not able to handle the same load capacity as the older truck. This has been a Ford problem for 30 years. To take the load out of the older truck and put it in the newer truck and the newer truck required heavier springs installed. Both trucks same rating.
Everyone wants a 4 door truck, all before were 3/4 to 1 ton, 2 door standard cab trucks are becoming extinct, BTW gotta add all the electronics and air bag junk for safety, look at a 70's 1/2 ton to one built today, is it necessary for carrying a load, hell no, farmers consistently put tons on 1/2 ton trucks in the past, even with them being smaller.
As a welder Knowing what I know about aluminum, you couldn't give me one of those trucks. Aluminum is a very picky metal.
Dathan Williamson; pretty sure you'd take one if it were given to you...even if you were required to use it. Most people don't have a reason to weld on a 2017 Pickup.....
If I was given one and had to take it, I would sell it. Theirs still some welding on them. right.
Dathan Williamson; I'm pretty sure you wouldn't sell it. people always say that, but ultimately you would drive and be proud your driving it. Same goes for someone getting a Silverado or RAM.
I stick to what I say. Theirs no way I can prove that to you, so im not surprised you wouldnt believe me.
Dathan Williamson: I'm just saying the smart move would be to keep a free truck, not take a depreciation by trading or selling it, and enjoy a nice truck for a while....unless you want to take the cash, buy something used, and spend the remainder on other things.
My Dad still has his 1999 F350 power stroke DRW. I think it's one of the best trucks they ever made. It's only ever had minor problems and was pre emissions. It's still bone stock but it's my understanding they can be tuned easily.
Thanks for the explanation, thought truck builders just put weight limits they thought were safe. Learn something new everyday.
AND.....99.9% of the body shops can't repair aluminum damage...so when they are damaged, they have to typically replace the parts.....NOT repair them. So that's great for their replacement part division!! There's more to it than weight ratings. A damaged aluminum frame rail??? You will see a rise in total losses in those.....guaranteed.
mydejavooo1 That is the bottom line. Repairing minor damage will require a panel replacement. So what was aa $500 repair becomes $5000 panel replacement! Insane!
mydejavooo1 the frame is steel
northlander I can tell you having worked in a ford dealerships body shop it looks nice now just wait until you have to replace your windshield then you'll see all the corners they cut a proper roof replacement takes over a week. your repair was hammer and dolly and lots of putty not a full roof skin I wish you the best with leaks in the next couple years I think I'm fixing your body shops screw ups when they get to my shop and having to fix them right..... go out and tap the repair with your hand if it sounds like a tin can it was repaired and if it gives a nice thump when you tap it it has been repaired with bondo.
How about the fact that is doesn't rust?
Go to a variety of body shops; they do not rust - they turn to DUST.
Aluminum does corrode, it just takes longer then steel or iron. A common example is aluminum engine blocks or heads. That white, powdery stuff that that builds up over time is corrosion. It's the reason I still paint most of my aluminum blocks.
MisterLifter wish you'd tell my dodge truck that
Ask most body shops throughout half of the geography of the united states that sees snow. I've seen countless Ford trucks bypass rust and turn to dust - within a THREE year period !!
Nothing new with Ford though.
Ford has metal and paint issues going back to the 70's with their trucks. Even in some of the most exotic vehicles made such as the Ford GT - quite the number of them have highly defective paint issues - surprising that it ever left the factory like that
Ronald, I live near Cleveland Ohio, the heart of the Rustbelt. Plenty of salt, and from what I see on a daily basis, I have no idea what you are talking about. I see F-150's going back to the 1980's every day. That surprises me because I remember the 1970's when everything rusted away in 4 years. The times I see a rusted F-150 from the early 2000's up is the rare one that had damage or scrapes through paint and e-coat to bare metal. On any modern vehicle from most manufacturers it is rare to see rust bubble up paint from underneath not due to paint damage. However, take a look at the left rear wheel well of any 1996 - 1999 Taurus or Sable......that happens there as the exception.
to bad Chevys video about ford's bed being weak is true
this guy also made a video on how that commercial is deceptive.
bannablitz247 ya I saw that it just bothers me when he says he isn't for one or the other but when he talks ford is the best no matter what. they are all just about the same truck. I mean really look at all these trucks all the same features just minor differences
Preston Searle difference is ford always pulling Chevy out of off the road
MrDude15151 hahaha it goes both ways man I'm not partial to any single brand I'm a I hate certain years of all trucks
Preston Searle hmm one video i watched showed a shortbox f150 and a chevy 3500 dually long bed...
I drive past a new F150 frequently. It's in a parking lot near where I work. It says Coyote on the front fender. Now, that would be dream truck for me. A 2WD F150 that's as light as my Ford Ranger, with a 420 hp Mustang GT motor under the hood !!
Scott9084
THEY ALSO BURN EASIER NOW
you also forgot rust, I've seen 2014 Silverado bubbling up already. #getthatshitouttahere #aluminumbody
+B______ F________ it takes a very long time for aluminum that is painted to corrode. it's superior in every way to the way steel corrodes. aluminum easily wins the corrosion contest.
Your sweet little Chevy's will have Aluminum beds next year, so don't run your moth to much.
I'm a GM guy but I have to give it to ford for moving to the aluminum body, overall I think it is a great change other than the video of the bricks punching holes through the box.. that is a turn off for me but it can always be improved and strengthened. Aluminum does not rust like the traditional steel does and I HATE rust. Its sad how many vehicles are rusted out these days.
There is a simple fix for the "holes in the bed" commercial, it's called rhino lining. You put on a thick enough coat of that stuff that bricks not going to go through.
hawaiian breeze I kept thinking when I saw the commercial with the tool box that I want to see the test rerun with a bedliner!
Nice to see a RUclipsr from the valley!
Very informative video, thanks.
As I heard your commentary on aluminum vs steel it sounded like you were trying to convince yourself that aluminum was better than steel on trucks.There are only a few advantages to aluminum. It's resistant to rust, it's lighter and it cost less for the manufacturer to make which increases profit margins to the glee of GM and it's shareholders. I'm not completely convinced it's more durible for heavy and awkward payloads especially in the bed section. It might be the trend of the future but not necessarily an improvement in every category. Also most men buy trucks to have a strong durible steel structure. This is going to be a hard sell and not necessarily a convincing one to the consumer.
the frame design wont be that much differencs. marketing the product seems more important than the actual truth
Richard Alvis I
The box steel frames are hydroformed which means the base tubing is put into a series of progressively more final shaping dies, filled with hydraulic fluid, and pressurized to about 100,000 p.s.i. The finished frame is virtually indestructible (as well as lighter weight.) It has undergone a process of work hardening that is similar to annealing in 4130 chromoly tube race chassis. : )'
What if I want to replace the body on an older Ford truck with aluminum? Lets say I want to keep the steel bed and replace the cab and nose on a 1990 F-150 with aluminum.
Im a chevy guy but i think aluminum is actually a good thing. Maybe not the bed but the fact it wont rust is huge. The panels will last years to come and surely if the motors and drive train can hold up for a while they will be around for a while which is good for reputation. Theres nothing worse than spending lots of money and having a truck rot prematurely due to salts and chemicals. Especially in the cold north. Good job Ford.
collision repairs gonna be way pricier with that
600 - 700 lb less. How many Ford mechanics can repair a fender made out of aluminum
Michael McSherry ford "mechanics" don't do body work, the body shop does.
FYI, Ford does have dealers with Ford Body shop Technicians
Michael McSherry you cant technically repair alumium as it weakens the panel. you need to replace it.
Aluminium is easily repaired and worked. You'd better go tell all the low volume sportscar manufacturers that have been hand forming aluminium panels for 40+ years they can't do it....
A little dent yes. Some filler. But anything bigger no. Maybe in the states were people dont have proper insuance but here the panel looses its integrity therefore its safety in another accident. It has to be replaced.
what about galvanic corrosion between the aluminum body and steel frame. how will they fare in the road salt. i think its a good idea, but only for southern states.
Very informative. Thank you.
well atleast it won't rust..the body anyway lol
Daniel Pettis I see aluminum structures corroded everyday at work. This is absolutely not true. Aluminum corrodes like a mofo. I am an inspector for airlines and most of our structural repairs are because of corrosion.
he means unlike steel once an oxide layer forms on aluminium it becomes impermeable to more oxygen so it doesn't deteriorate all the way through. true it could affect tolerances in situations where that is important, but you wont end up with trucks years down the road needing cab corners or floors, etc.
draaks1 I know what you are talking about. It's called a clad coating. Called "Alclad" in the industry, it still doesn't matter and it's not impermeable. Lol. But hey I guess you are the expert. I know what I see in the real world on a daily basis.
aluminum sucks if you do bodywork like welding in new panels or removing dents
it does require skill, this is correct. not sure it sucks
Thank you for the briefing.
subscribed because you're from the area, nice to see that
Aluminum is a BAD metal to use for truck bodies for many reasons. 1. it dents twice as easy as steel 2. Aluminum fatigue cracks 3 times faster. 4. its softer, (see the bad crash tests of these aluminum trucks) 5. it oxidizes/ corrodes faster than steel rusts in salt coast-line air. 6. aluminum sheet tears much easier than steel, the list goes on.
Ford is in the business of selling Replacement vehicles to Fleet Buyers, not durable vehicles to private purchasers
RichardDJLilD aluminum corrodes extremely bad from the chemical they use on the roads for snow. It eat the aluminum brake lines up on my van in a very short period of time
Bryan Hensley ...How well are the aluminum components insulated from the steel ones in these new Ford trucks? Put two dissimilar metals in contact with each other, add salt and moisture and...(you know the rest!)
www.amazon.com/Roto-Metals-Zinc-Ingot-99-7/dp/B001QUXB04
If you're worried, this will provide years and years of protection. Though if you think that you'll get more galvanic corrosion from the aluminum in the truck being exposed vs relegated to the inside of the truck you don't really understand what's causing it.
Wayne Bolton you're a fucking idiot, the aluminium F150 is the safest truck out there, are you that dumb, do some research before you make yourself look like a douche.
i just load it down till its sits on the bump stops
so can bondo adhere without any issues on aluminum?
By the way...do you at least hold a d.z...im from ontario...so the more weight you have the different licence you have to have to haul the weight
Aluminum doesnt rust
Exactly
oxidation
j kurchowski; not so much. concern with Alcoa Aluminium. Corrosion bath: The 2015 F-150 is the first high-volume vehicle with a high-strength steel frame, and body panels made of high-strength, aluminum alloy - the same material used to make armor-plated tanks and navy warships. An advantage aluminum has over steel is that it doesn’t produce red rust. So Ford had to go beyond the usual tests that include driving vehicles through countless salt baths and soaking them in high-humidity chambers. The company developed a modified corrosion test using an acidified spray to be more aggressive on the high-strength, aluminum alloy. After simulating 10 years of exposure, the aluminum material showed virtually no signs of degradation.
RUclips link: ruclips.net/video/ZSo7Fv9WchA/видео.html
Recon9143 I use to have a 03' Screw F150 and the aluminum hood started to bubble/corrode from stone chips a assume. I live in Michigan and our winter roads destroy vehicles.
Big Truck Big RV their game grade of aluminum is the lowest I've seen. It's extremely soft and bends a few times then breaks.
In other words, Ford is bad at building light weight durable vehicles.
Light weight and durable rarely go hand in hand. How many Tanks are made out of aluminum
Was this shot in McAllen, Tx.
damm are you from the rio grande valley? i know those streets 😂 i'm from reynosa but i live in brownsville. i'll subscribe just because of that. i didn't know people from the valle do youtube!
they screwed up in my view.
Just another reason to not buy a Ford truck.
senorkaboom yeah they are so shitty they outsell better brands nearly 40 years straight. sounds logical..
Derrik Lee Look, no matter what you buy, they all are not made as they used to be. A truck is more Luxo hauler than utilitarian vehicle.
quit hating my 460 in my 1989 f250 it can beat any chevy cause even chevy will beat a ram cause mopars are shit...
Andy47357 OK.
Andy47357 yeah buddy! 460 from 86 here!
My Toyotas Tacoma’s did fine and I honestly loved them, but West Virginia Salts the roads liberally and the Tacomas couldn’t survive the salt even though I constantly washed them and sprayed out underneath. I got my first base STX with a tiny dual turbo F150, super crew with 4 WD. It would absolutely fly, was way more comfortable and got about 3 mpg more per gallon plus we started camping and it was way better at pulling our camper, even at around 4,000 pounds, maybe 4,700 loaded. 94k and not the first problem. In 2023 traded and got a Super Cab, bench seat, rubber floor, much more usable 6.5 foot bed, FX4 package it 10,000 pounds of towing and the same great lil engin, we also stepped up our camper to a 30 foot 5,500 pound camper . I like Chevys and RAMS and even Tundra’s, but I hate rust. The complexity of the lil engine worries me, but good maintenance and not pushing it to its limits hopefully will allow the truck to last 250,000 miles. Really enjoyed the video, I always thought going with a dual turbo V6 was a much bigger risk for Ford than the Aluminum body, but now GM offers a turbo model and Toyota makes nothing but and their trucks are still made of steel! They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery!
how do they deal with electrolysis and dissimilar metels?
Metal fatigue will kill these trucks long before a steel truck will rust out because it is crazy how much a ford flexes.
Stephen Bonin : not true. these aren't aircraft and don't deal with pressure like they do
The Joker aluminum cannot rust
The Joker. your 2012 f150 does not have an aluminum body. it may have some aluminum parts throughout but the body its self is steel.
The Joker so you think ford has been building their trucks out of aluminum for years but decided to make a big deal out of it just now? oh, and you think you are the only one to know somehow.
aluminum sheetmetal also doesnt crumble.
The Joker you're one big loser
All modern trucks are garbage.
I was at a Ford dealership, no one was watching me, I 'slapped' the side of an F350 and dented it.
mrthebillman: Must have "slapped" it with another vehicle you were driving.
Big Truck Big RV Nope, just a white boys hand.
Bitch.
Is there a price increase for the switch to aluminium bodies?
I am curious as to how they will fare in harsh weather climates......body panel corrosion, I would think that they would toy around with frames that are made with steel and polymers combinations like the rails on modern handguns allowing for lighter weight and corrosion resistance.
aluminum is for beer cans not trucks... I'll stick with my Chevrolet
DramaFreeFarms You like bail out vehicles huh?
Paid back years ago.
MrSpanky473 well hell ford is moving alot of its operation to Mexico
DramaFreeFarms your government motors truck has a aluminum driveshaft stupid lmao!! talk about beer cans put some torque if Chevy had any, and that beer can driveshaft is twisting off lol!! and it's hollow filled with honey comb cardboard lol😂
No need to name call. . and for your information my propeller shaft is steel on my Chevrolet Silverado
Great info
do more videos on changes of new 2017 SDs f350 max tow to f550 4x4
Big Truck ...what camera did you use to film this vid
+Ray: LG G5
what state your driving in
Just curious, I wonder if weight savings on the frame or body would in any way compromise safety for the driver or passengers if a collision were to occur.
Bruce Travis: I guess not, since IAS rated it 5 starts in all categories
I have a 450 when I go over rough road or bumps there is a loud clacking sound from the front suspension seems like something is loose does your 450 do the same?
Guy Good; yes, and sometimes I hear it when I slow down while towing the fifth wheel. I've Wondered the same thing and have been told it's the large front Sway bar brackets creaking. I need to mount my GoPro under there and find out.
Thanks for reply
is this the first video in the valley, i noticed you were in mcallen
I just traded in my silverado 2014 for a Ford f150 2016 platinum at spikes. I'm not sure why I did it but I'll tell you one thing the ride on the Ford is so awesome. btw I'm fom Mcallen.
makes sense, nice video
priestof1 Thank you
you were passing through McAllen TX , right ?
Jorge Garcia: I live and work in South Texas.
I’m buying a new Platinum. I’m going to baby the hell out of it. It’s for pulling trailers, boats, ATV etc.
Maybe some lumber once in a while.
I’m looking for the best ride to the cottage…massaging seats, I worked hard all my life, time to enjoy my retirement!