The best pickup Diesel engine? My answer
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Love my 7.3L International (Powerstroke). No EGR that reduces the engine's life span. No special diesel emissions fluid. Plus my truck was $5000 ...not $70,000. Just can't beat that.
What year is yours I have a 2000 with forged internals?
Great engine but don’t follow one on interstate
My 99 f450 powerstroke with 30k miles on it does great lol
Lol its weak tho
99 7.3 and I only got 170k on it. Lets goooo
Bought a 96 dodge with cummins 12 valve new.Currently has 425,000 on it and motor has never been touched.Gets 18 to 22 MPG.Will probably out live me.
Cummins engines will probably outlive the universe.
@@jahimuddin7380 you’re just loyalists
@Choo Choo Rest of the pickup has been just as good as the motor.On it's third set of brakes,second set of shocks,second sway bar,several tie rod ends.Been an amazing rig.
Your videos are so balanced and seem to lack bias, it scares me
CUMMINS INLINE 6 the BEST been there had all of it....Sweet Sweet engine.
@HalfShell right!
@HalfShell exactly
Six in a row ready to tow, eight in a V you probably sit down to pee.
Shame it’s in the worst truck!
Ohio fish1 excuse me for not wanting a diesel version of a minivans engine lol
Best build I would like to have is a ford superduty body. Power train would be a Cummins. Pair fine with the Allison tranny and dana axle. That would be my ultimate truck. Oh and an EPA emission free exhaust system.
Ill take 2! lol
I need to start doing research. be making money now if people be buying.
to bad ford trans are better than allisons strength wize 4r110 is the best there is plain and simple
jasonman1515 sounds good except the Allison tranny. They are fine until you put some power to them. Then they are nothing more than scrap metal
jasonman1515 q_-
I have to agree that at this point in time, they are all equally good and reliable diesel engines. The "problems" each has are normally due to the pride and ego of their owners, and not due to design and reliability.
Old Cummins or IDI 7.3 work great for me. Cheap to fix and reliable.
The cummins still typically gets the best mpg's, and is capable of the most power if you are looking at the number of trucks to hit over 1000 horsepower. And they are typically cheaper to modify. And that's not even pointing out the fact that all the cummins engines have always been great. The power stroke died after the 7.3, and the duramax wasn't right until 2006. This is all pretty common knowledge. Yes the new trucks are damn near equals stock, but the cummins is still the superior engine.
I love this answer exactly how I think
I've got a 2004 LLY Duramax. 400 000 kms and runs great!
Keihin Bracken holy shit why do you need 1000HP in a truck?!
(Seriously, genuine question)
cjeam why not?
turbolq4 because having excess power means less fuel efficiency, which costs you more money, making you less profitable. I'm assuming these are trucks used for business?
Straight piped my 2008 6.4 and the motor has been flawless (220k miles now). I think with good maintenance and no dpf the newer engines are great.
Austin Green how many miles does it have now?
@@Cordell- I bet none, lol. That thing probably blew at 220k. 6.4 is worse than a 6.0
I got a 1998 Dodge12 Valve Cummins non of that emission crap on it. U can keep the newer engines my old Dodge is bullet proof!
Great snapshot. It has cleared up a few mysteries for me, with issues I have heard my friends talk about with their trucks over the last 18 years
6.0 PSD/7.3 PSD/5.9 Cummins/6.6 Duramax are my favorite engines, 6.0 being the top of my list.
How?!?!? The best two motors are the 7.3 Power Stroke and the 5.9 Cummins.
Dawson _the OG omg I agree thank you I got the 7.3 and I couldn’t complain if someone stole it and swapped it with a 5.9 I love them both
Dawson _the OG, yes when I clicked on the video I was thinking the same thing, I thought he was going to say 5.9 Cummins or OBS 7.3 Powerstroke. The fact that he said 2013 and newer completely offended me big time. The newer diesels are some of the worst ones. The 6.4, 6.7PS, 6.7 Cummins PS. And that’s mainly because of the EPA.
Kade Nielsen, I agree with you I love them both.
I completely agree Navistar was in bed with ford since 1980's he really doesn't now what he's talking about
Dawson _the OG agreed I don’t like ford much but can’t deny that 7.3 lives up to its name. I’ll take my 5.9 Cummins any day of the week over it though 😝
Damn I came into this video saying "Oh well if he doesn't say Cummins he's a fanboy" (I'm a Chevy guy btw) but your answer blew all my expectations away. good video. subscribed.
James Lampe: thanks bud
James Lampe KGB
Except he forgot to mention the 7.3
If i was to replace my current pickup i use to tow my RV, i would honestly opt for a small cab semi. I have a friend i serve with who has lived completely out of an RV for 10+ years and he recently replaced his Duramax pickup after the motor blew on it with a 2006 Volvo VNL64T 300 he picked up for 5k with 413k miles that was previously a pepsi truck rig. He removed the above the frame 5th wheel and installed one in the rear that bolts between the frames and the DMV removed the commercial classification on the truck because it no longer had a 5th wheel above the frame. So he has it registered by weight as a normal pickup and he tells me it gets within 1/2 mpg that his duramax got and he uses that rig as a daily at times when he doesn't ride his motorcycle. The truck will go to 1mill+ miles without a single issues if properly maintained.
And if something breaks on it its gonna cost him 5 times as much... just sayin...
Thanks for the good advice as always! You should do a video on how to make your diesel engine last as long as possible (besides the usual maintenance)! I hear people talking about aftermarket air filters, exhaust upgrades, additional fuel filters, etc, etc but I don’t know! Thanks
deleted and forget it. I did on my 2013 duramax with zero issues and 13 mpg with a 37 ft fifth wheel. 6oo hundred miles out of a tank light truck
have you ever had any issues with your CP4 pump? My 2012 LML has 160k with no issues at of yet..
I would love to have the fuel milage of a 2013+ truck, but would never recoup the cost difference. I'll stick with my 2003 F-350 7.3L till the wheels fall off.
retsaoter 2003 7.3 f-350? Ford stoped putting the 7.3 in all vehicles with the exception of the econolines in 2002, and I drive a 2001 7.3 and get better fuel millage than my mechanic's 2015 6.7
Travis Stuart 7.3 was discontinued in 03 half year ."You can get a 6.0 and 7.3 all in 2003 " don't comment dumb shit !
MrYouprick the 7.3 was discontinued in 03 and a half completely but after 2002 it was only optional in the econoline series
nope. 2003 had two options. 7.3 or 6.0. look it up bud
+Travis Stuart hm that's funny my title says mines a 2003 Powerstroke mine has the 7.3 in it. 03.5 is when the 6.blow was introduced.
96 e350 7.3 with ~400k on the clock. it leaks some oil. runs great
1st gen 4cyl cummins BT unknown year with unknown miles 300k+ replaced a head gasket cus of a oil leak runs great
the thing i prefer about the older engines, is they are easier to work on. they dont require as much special tooling...
AND NO BS EMISSIONS (state depending)
sure bolt ons go bad, transmissions wear out, but they keep on lugging away mile after mile
97 7.3l turbo diesel square body at 320k km - 2nd owner for 5 yrs now - spent about 5k in parts on her now all work done myself - just keeps getting tougher and tougher - starts at -30 Celsius no plug in
I'll stick to my good ol reliable 1st Gen 12 valve Cummins. No EPA crap, no electronic nonsense to leave me stranded.
The Blue Collar Preacher if I was to get a diesel the Cummins is number 1.
The Blue Collar Preacher
YES
Absolutely
I own an 89 w350 w/ CTD dually and love it .
06, 2500 megacab, 70,000 miles. Luv it!!!!!!!
it boils down to pick whatever truck you like the most, they all get the job done and all pull amazingly, i own a duramax and love it. i am partal to GM, but the 6.7 PSD and 6.7 cummins are both just as good! all 3 have emission systems worked out, just keep clean fuel, factory filters and regular oil changes! do NOT follow oil life system.
I'd have to say my 7.3 or a 12v cummins...
Bourne Accident hell yea
Thank you for that "qualification" regarding emissions equipment versus ACTUAL ENGINE. I've had Isuzu work vehicles with diesels that were CONSTANTLY going in for DEF related failures. Every single piece around that emissions system was reliable as sunsets, but the emissions failure after failure after failure made it the most awful experience. Our NAPA commercial shop said that was all they were seeing with a lot of the newer Big3; emissions failures.
03-04 Dodge or 06-07 Chevy and any Ford with a 7.3l are the best in my opinion.
As a 07 LBZ Duramax owner, I can attest.
@@victorcreed8856 We had one at work and we beat the piss out of it, daily burnouts, redlined it a LOT, late oil changes, hauling overloaded dump trailers and we had a 700lb Miller diesel welding machine in the back + about another 300-500 pounds of gear all the time in the bed and usually 4 men inside. the interior parts fell apart over time, window switches radio knobs etc.. and we went through some door handles and a tailgate but the rest of the truck felt tight at nearly 300 00 miles and not even one seal leak anywhere.
@@davidbrennan5 I love my LBZ...I will drive that thing into to the dirt. My parents have an 02 7.3 Powerstroke that they neglect the like crazy, 400,000kms. Getting tired but still pulls their 5th wheel down south every year without complaining. It's a workhorse.
@@victorcreed8856 my father in law had an 04 Dodge 2500 with the cummins engine, it was a beast, one of the best trucks ever made... I figure. Over 1 million miles with only wear and tear items. The body is rusted out bad now but it still is a good farm truck, we smoked a deer with it 4 years ago and it needed only a grill and we lost the A/C condenser. Trans and engine still running strong.....
We had a small school bus at work to bring the Iron workers to the mine sites. I did a very basic tune up on it and replaced the wear and tear stuff brakes etc... We beat on that bus for 10 years with minimal work done to it to keep it alive and it never missed a beat it had the 7.3l Ford Diesel engine. That engine was very tough, 15 minute burnouts with dual tires daily, oil changes when we felt like it and we neglected it in every way. We sold that bus for what we paid for it!
The problem with the 7.3L Powerstroke isn't necessary the engine. It's all the stuff that's attached to it as well as the transmission used back then. Many owners experienced failures of things like water pumps, sensors, fuel warmers, glow plugs and other relatively minor parts around 75-100k miles, which regardless of how minor they are, they can lead to a breakdown or fail to start situation. Other issues with Transmissions started showing up around 100-150k miles. The key with the new 6.7 Powerstroke is that most owners (not the few that super tune their trucks or post problems on forums) go over 200-300k miles with no major issues with anything. That's the key with pretty much all the new trucks.
I respect your opinion but i also believe it falls to the owner and his personal upkeep and maintenance. Growing up working on farms i regularly saw and drove Fords "6.9idi-7.3powerstrokes" and Dodges 5.9 "6bt and 4bt p-pumps and Ve pumps" with well over 500k on their odometers or a ridiculous number of hours on them with stock engines and transmissions. Granted parts failed and had to be replaced but to have serious problems that left us stranded or needing a new truck were fairly rare. There is no it will fail at this number of miles in my opinion. It will fail typically when you personally determined it to fail with the way you drove it treated it and maintained it. Just my two cents
Big Truck Big RV Father has a 2003 f350 power stroke lariat; hates it. Bought new, had to replace transmission at 40K out of warrantee. Also for some reason not good in snow (I think tire problem, but he thinks truck). Rust problems over the arches as well.
Anyways, I have a question for you. I currently have a 1998 chevy k2500 HD 5.7 with an NV4500 trans. I have done a lot to the truck, but rust is killing it. I love the manual but would like more power. Good, reliable suggestions for under 10K?
***** I'd find a good used military 6.5 man ,strong blocks no emissions as long as you aren't pulling everyday and will get 20 mpg.
The 6.7 powerstroke is a huge piece of shit i have been working on ford diesels professionally since the idi days and i am a certified diesel/auto mechanic of 40 years experience regardless of what you say do not tell people they go that far because of a rare case. 95% of the time these engines have catastrophic failure at 120k miles. And as for the 7.3 idi/powerstroke best "diesel" engines ford ever made along with the 6.0. Only if it has been bullet proofed by a professional such as myself. Truthfully though do not buy diesel get a gas engine diesels were not ever meant to be put in such small trucks. Leave it to the big diesels those are reliable.
qestmaster well said. i use to wonder when i was younger why the big engines in medium duty truck weren't as powerful as i expected and i never considered reliability at the time.
I agree with your opinion. Being in the RV industry, it’s a question I get asked all the time.
273k on a 2003 Duramax, 30k on a 2014 duramax, 260k on a 1993 f350 7.3 we are rebuilding the engine. they are all good trucks.
one thing can be said for Dodge. the I-6 engine has never had a bad year(s). the engine itself is bullet proof. I agree all newer diesels are awesome. but after owning all, the Cummins package is still the best for a business owner. the maintenance costs is just way better.
Very true, but there was a brief time ('99 to '01) That Cummins had the notorious "53 Block" that was cast in Brazil, and would develop cracks in the thinly cast water jackets. Knowledgeable Cummins shoppers know to avoid trucks with that particular block..or negotiate a lower price. Other than that, yeah..bad ass and reliable motors! My '92 1st Gen is still going strong after 320,000 miles.
Curious why you say the 2003-2007 was just as bad. Any specifics?
First run of 6.7 had huge problems. But like all problems with all manufacturers its the EPA not the maker
I've owned nothing but 7.3 Power Strokes. A '97, a '99 and an '01. Hundreds of thousands of miles with no issues. My 01 Excursion is going on 400k miles. Love the old stuff!
My 96 7.3 has given me no trouble and I still have it today. I never use tuners, its completely stock. It wasn't until I purchased my 2006 6.0 that I would find myself on the side of the road with an engine that died and will not start. This happened to me several times. But then I found a document on the internet on "how to live with your 6.0 powerstroke vehicle". It gave me all the details of what manufacture defects where on the 6.0 and what was needed to correct them. I had to learn to be a diesel mechanic if I was going to keep the 6.0 because it was inevitable that it was going to break down time from time. But with the information from the internet document, I'm able to stay ahead of the issues, I just had to buy a lot of tools and mustard up a lot of patients to turn those wrenches. Even the body mounts have failed and needed to be replaced, whereas my 96 7.3 powerstroke truck has the original body mounts on them. Ford just got cheap and cut a lot of corners!! If I buy another truck, I'll have to make sure its a engine I can work on if I'm going to own it, and one where the cab does not need to be lifted!!! Don't try that at home unless you have a 90 horse power tractor with 3.5 inch hydraulic cylinders on it to handle the weight!!
the 12valves are the best diesels. none of this electronic bullshit. and the only thing that can really kill them are a dowlpin.
Ryan Lucey no nigga stfu
YEP. Buy an old truck, get a quality rebuild/reman diesel, new tranny, diffs, transfer case, etc... and save $30,000!
Ryan Lucey you can fix that weakness with an aftermarket part that keeps that from backing out. the same goes for the older ford and gm diesel engines. they were simplervatvthe time and have been around long enough to have a the kinks worked out.
T Wayland huh
Or water...
05-06 6.0 power stroke all the way
I like my Cummins, I thought the 6.7L Powerstroke I had in my F350 work truck was a good engine as well. Went through a couple injectors for some reason but no biggie warranty covered it.
Mac102004 Farms I have a 15 f250 diesel and I bought the extended warranty and have barely used it. Lol!
Well, if it develops a weird knock, don't panic it's just an injector lol
Mac102004 Farms the 6.7 is a very good engine, they did have some turbo problems but that was really only the main issue
Yeah the only thing I really didn't care for was the interior but the 2017's look really nice. Oh and the frame flex caused some "inconveniences" but no biggie lol
Mac102004 Farms yeah i do like the new 2017
I agree 100% with your viewpoints. One thing that people dont realize though. If you have to remove parts or emission components to get your rig to run the way you want it too, that in itself is your problem.
Great video i love my 13 6.7 Ford super duty, very strong, reliable,fast. My dad has a 7.3 f250 with 250k miles with only one rebuilded tranny but no other problems
My 24v Cummins will be moving with me to a new truck if I ever buy one. The primary reason a bought a diesel was simplicity and reliability, but they seem to be going away from that. Why anyone would buy a diesel with the new emissions crap is beyond me. If people revolted against it, the EPA would have to back off. The economy wouldn't last long without truckers delivering food and goods.
kdw75 the epa is way too strong to give in to consumers, there's only going to be more emissions
You will be hard pressed to get me out of my 2005 Dodge Cummins!
It has enough power to handle my 31 foot trailer, good fuel economy, dependable.
New diesels are overkill and overpriced.
kdw75 The way I see it, as long as reliability is intact(in this case it is) they can have emissions. Atleast it isn't the 80's...
barejohn59 www
The CUMMINS is the best DIESEL engine
Chanse Ormon wrong 6v92 Detroit put in a truck is
Chanse Ormon: I agree if you look at the overall span that Cummins has been putting Diesels in pickups. They have a lot of good history and engineering behind them. Plus they are built in the US which is awesome. I do believe that the last several years have been great for all Diesel trucks. Great for the consumer... Thanks for the comment
cory stewart: Actually, I'm kind of partial to CAT engines.
Cummins has a bad reputation for the 6.7l in terex cranes. it has been horribly unreliable with emissions or not. though in these cranes is the only place I see Cummins ever failing significantly. and considering how junk terex is in general it's prolly company provided specs that kill the 6.7
Kyle Vanwinkle the 2016 6.7L Cummins is way better the 2007.5-2012 6.7L
I've owned a 2004 and a 2012 RAM 2500, both with Cummins engines. Pulled a 12,000# RV trailer all over the country, including some very challenging uphill grades in the west. Both performed flawlessly, passing most big rigs uphill easily. Plenty of torque. My next diesel truck will definitely have a Cummins engine.
I have a Class A drivers license with T&X endorsements. I drive a 2016 Ram 1500 Ecodiesel Quadcab 4wd with 25k miles, 9hrs idle time and 489hrs drive time. The VM diesel runs really sweet and quiet! Thanks to a Flowmaster Big Block muffler, Bank's Bullet and the Bank's intake system, hills are no problem! I average 28mpg per tank. I am 61years old, and have been driving diesels since I was 18. My first job was at a shop that made Garbage truck bodies. Where I drove a forklift powered by a 4 cyl Ford diesel, and had to move trucks around , so I could sweep the parking lot. Even after I learned to be a machinist, I would drive truck OTR, local, or incidental to a job, now and then. Have done a stint at Caltrans operating various equipment. But now work for a world famous municipality working as a Stationary Engineer, operating various generators for emergency power. I get excited with advances in technology for diesels, such as the Mack/Volvo Wave Piston Technology. Or fuels such as Diesel HPR, which I use at least 75% of the time. I modify ANY vehicle I own to some degree. But the whole point of my comments, is simply, Your video is totally and truely correct! As long as the diesel fits the application, they are ALL excellent!
IMO 7.3 (for trucks) are very reliable, as long as its the 7.3 without some of the electric Injection crap. Our 7.3 with 278k something miles on it, only problem was the alternator failed once. Thats it. Runs very cool for a diesel under a heavy load, great torque and power, 512 LB is what I see on the wiki, and hear from people. The bed of the truck was crushed by a large square bale, then """crushed""" by a tree (didn't do any damage accept poke a small tiny hole in the top of the cab at the bend (on the back)) in the past hurricane, knocked a bit of rust off the frame, thats all. We got a flatbed on it now. This is a 99. 7.3 Mechanical Fuel Injection (Cat Injectors) , Single stock turbo. 7 speed manual transmission, (genuine) Granny Low (counts as a forward gear), 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, Yeah. Still living flawlessly and runs like new aaaallll the time. So proud of it.
I'm considering rebuilding a 2000 7.3L and setting that in my newer F350, still way less money then buying a new questionable diesel.
buy a used Kenworth,with your choice, Cummins, cat,Detroit, 15-30 years old. way better deal than buying a pickup if your going to be pulling heavy trailers, yes, looking at 5 -7 mpg,but you won't be under powered, hills, no problem, a new fully equipped pickup, diesel, $70 k plus, if it's fourwheel drive, my uncle got a fully road ready Kenilworth, 300 big cam Cummins, 1981 model year, $6,500 tax title and license, 1997 when he purchased it.still strong to this day, these pickups, no comparison, especially since they only offer automatic transmissions now days,in pickups,dodge may still offer a manual,I have seen one in a 08 'model. your right, be better off, overhauling your 7.3 ,maybe 3-4 grand. you can build a pretty strong one for that, aftermarket turbo,intake, Intercooler,injection pump,cp3, you can get a lot of twist,and drive ability, out of one,ten grand, if you do most of the work, out run these new trucks,that cost close to 80,000$ ,its ridiculous, the price for one,I don't need heated and cooled leather seats, nav,satellite radio, ,whatever else they got now days,
How many miles on it?
10-4
I'd do it. Mine has 500,000 miles and when it quits I'll rebuild it and get at least another half million out of it.
yes 00 7.3 powerstroke have forged rods .......for me is the best engine ever built....
Good video. Kinda caught me off guard when I recognized where you're driving. Lol.
Purchased a 2003 f350 crew cab long bed 4wd in 2003. We pulled and hauled over 344,000 miles. Valve covers have not been off, transmission not been apart, nor differentials. Western Diesel 60 hp when first week, 4 inch exhaust, K and N filter.
hands down the 7.3 Power Stroke
Year 2000 7.3L Turbo Diesel...still going strong!*
*At about 150,000mi so far.
I've got an 02 7.3 with 239k on the clock, pulling a fifth wheel. Still runs great...the truck is rough but the motor is great!!
01 F250 7.3 265k daily driver still strong, never any issues. Pulls a 10k toyhauler wherever I want to go with no worries.
I’m glad my 7.3 made the list of top 10 Diesel engines ever made!
Good points made . I know people who love Cummins same far power stroke and Duramax I personally am considering a 2500 HD duramax
love how you didn't even mention the 7.3.... I'll keep my old t444e
Ford selling the 7.3 in trucks was a bad deal for them. I won't get rid of my 7.3 for a newer piece of crap. I would rather purchase a gasser since they will probably last the same amount of time before something self destructs. My 7.3 may not be as powerful but I know it's going to get me there!
You cant be serious? 2013 or newer diesel engines are your first choice? lol. Sure, DEF and other emission BS was not the manufacturers choice, but that doesnt change the fact that it's still there. All that stuff is garbage. The new engines run great until they have an emissions related problem, then bend over at the dealer to get any of that stuff fixed. One of our trucks has had over 10 grand in emissions related repair at the dealer and it's still not fixed properly. 2013 or newer are the best diesel engines? lolololol.
All credibility was lost after he said "any 2013 and newer". I was born and raised during a time when you put DIESEL in a diesel truck. NOT cow pee pee (DEF) that was approved by your's truly, EPA. All these modern diesels are fussy on how operated them. You can't idle it real long or you'll clog the DPF and you have to spend the extra money to fill up DEF tank.
My boss's Brand new Ford 350 6.7 diesel has been taking in 5 times already for DEF related problems or others... 60,000 dollar truck and not reliable at all.
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Demetrios W I drive a diesel 4500 Ram work truck and it has been in for repair more in the first 4 years than my old super duty in 12 years and 4x mileage. so many recalls and defects. I know of three or four coworkers that I've actually had to get their brand new engines replaced. I have reported to several locations since getting this truck and each location has a different set of mechanics. story is the same at each location and even the mechanics complain about the new Rams. to be fair, they are not all diesel some of them are gas. most of the problems have been in the diesel though. don't get me started on that death wobble
Got to sell those new trucks because people are getting smart now... ford likely pays this guy or he is just a total moron. 2013 or up?! lolool... I'll take a 6.2/early 6.5, or a 12v before ANYTHING new, no computers to screw up, sensors, the thing just RUN. Shit I had a no start on my 6.2 right before a snow storm, took a full 1 hour to fix. It's a 6.2 either fuel issue aka gel (even with a bad fuel pump it should still run) or IP... had fuel, take off air filter, top of IP, replace shut off solenoid anddddd fire her up. Or on a new ford we be 1 hour into removing the cab so we can see the motor lol.
Great informative video....you guys in the US are so lucky....we cant get any of these serious pick up trucks down under in Australia. we get small pickups which is fine for Snow White and 4 of her friends but forget it if your are taller than 5'.....
I would say the best of old school engines would be 5.9 followed by the 7.3, but those are the only two engines in my opinion that blow anything else out of the water as far as reliability.
my opinion: the only reason the 03 -10 6.0 and 6.4 powerstrokes are labeled unreliable is because of the emissions junk. my favorite diesel pickup engines are the 7.3 powerstroke and 5.9 cummins
And the oil coolers, torque to yield head bolts, head/block design with water channels so close to the cylinder bore, thin cylinder walls, high pressure oil pumps or the high pressure fuel system in the 6.4, the injectors in either one, the engine and injector wiring harnesses chafing and failing because of poor protection and routing, front cover cavitation on the 6.4, etc.
And I have both the 6.0 and the 6.4 sitting in my driveway right now. The 6.4 is mine and the 6.0 is the fiancee's. I'm a helicopter mechanic that works on light duty trucks more often than anything.
Stephen Molzer it's just my opinion, because I've seen them with delete kits that run just as long as a 7.3
I am working on a 6.0 for a friend right now that was deleted before she bought it at 22k. It barely has 180k and has a ruptured oil cooler, bad head gaskets, a paper weight for a turbo, and an injector wiring harness that was so chafed I'm not sure if the truck was actually running right like she said it was before everything failed. With so much wrong, it wasn't easy for me to diagnose the harness. I've fixed the harness and finally got most of the parts for reassembly, but of the 5 6.0s I've worked on this year, the only crazy thing was the turbo shaft and impellers completely destroying themselves. Everything else has been just about the same. Catastrophic failure. And my friends get their oil changed between 3k and 6k every time. The two at 6k oil intervals do a lot of cross-country trips, so it's not diluting like a daily driver, either. It was, and is, a terrible engine platform. That's why Ford has not stuck with any single engine platform like the Duramax or Cummins line. Also, 7.3s are not anywhere near as bulletproof as people would like to think.
I have a 2004 6.0 powerstroke and I believe it's the best truck I've owned to date. It's easy to work on, and yes I work on my own truck. Some of these problems are exaggerated by people with poor mechanical skills that fail to diagnose the problem correctly in the first place. I have two tuners and studs on mine among other mods and she runs great. I only beat on it from time to time to keep the vgt from sticking and always run a diesel additive. And I bought it with 217k, now it has 260k. Bottom line is, every truck will have it's problems, it's just a matter of what you arw willing to deal with.
I would have to disagree with you about the best diesel engine, you say any that was built after 2013 is the best... in my opinion the best is the 1995-2003 7.3L Power Stroke.....
Ken Guthrie: Ken, I should have clarified. I made that year statement specifically because the people asking are looking for late model or new trucks. And of the newer engines (common rail HPFP engines) the bugs were pretty much worked out of all of them after 2013. Sorry for the confusion. I do agree with you though.
Big Truck Big RV on the new trucks, I agree with you. they are so close now and I think it is more preference for the truck or the type of engine...
Ken Guthrie: 100% agree.
The 7.3L was just as durable as the old 12v cummins. I would take either, but id prefer the cummins because of how noisy and slow the 7.3 is when comparing stock truck to stock truck...
i have an '03 F250, Power Stroke, 7.3. One of the last produced. I value it dearly......
Man, no mention of the 6.2 and 6.5 GM produced. I have a 6.5 and after a little tweaking for the fuel system and opening up the exhaust when I got it years ago, that thing fires up every day and I've turned over 500k on it. To do maintenance on it is super easy too and it's awesome being able to run off road because it doesn't smoke, fry grease and used oil that's filtered. Saves a lot of money!
ThisGuyWantsBeer amen V8 Detroit.
There is a huge difference between an industrial engine (Cummins) and an automotive engine (Ford / Duramax).
Hands down the Cummins is the best out there........
I think the best engine and transmission combo is the duramax and Allison
E9Sports: They are great combos. I've drive then all and there is actually a difference in how they all feel. Anyway you go, you can't lose though. Thanks for commenting.
Big Truck Big RV ya I haven't driven a powerstroke but I think the transmission on the ram I used to own was slightly worse. Next truck I'll get though will most likely be the f150 in 2018 hopefully the diesel is out by then if not I'll get the 5.0
I hope your in the truck buisness because you sure do make a lot of sense. Great videos
Very good review. All 3 are solid platforms. Talking with Mechanics in central Canada all say the Cummins is by far the cheapest to modify, cheapest to repair and now that Ram puts a solid truck around them its a good choice.
I drove a one ton Dodge dually a few years ago for my work.
I liked the Cummins diesel with the great torque and pulling power.
I worked with Chevy Duramax and Ford Excursions building armored vehicles.
The truck bodies were much better on the Ford and even the Chevy, but I will take the Cummins inline six any day.
It is mechanically simpler and with better torque because the stroke is longer on an inline six than a V8.
I know the new Ford's have nearly equal torque now, but for a new armored vehicle prototype being worked on we chose the Cummins.
I remember the Hummer's in Iraq and Afghanistan had the GM diesels and the endless problems
the military had with them.
The new JLTV has the Banks/Duramax which must have been chosen due to the political considerations rather than durability choices.
GM has a very long history with the military and the miltary seems to be endlessly forgiving of brand's short comings.
Older Diesel engines not running all the modern engine management systems are by far the better engine to have. With 'Low Sulphur' diesel fuel becoming the new norm of diesel fuel, the only winners will be the mechanics and engine rebuilders. Low sulphur fuel has been introduced, so I've been told, to extract more money from $$$ from diesel truck & 4wd users, as Diesel engines have such a long life and the oil companies are losing out, although I don't know why they feel that they're being ripped off.
big oil, companies, like, EXON ,ARE THE CROOKS.
RICHARD COVINGTON Have a look in to the Deep Water Horizon BP rig disaster.
It was known about, even predicted, months before and BP knew about it well beforehand. Dick Cheney was a part owner in the clean up company, which only increases the problem as the dispersants used forced the oil residue to the ocean floor. Find out how many ppl died during the clean up and as a result of the chemicals used.
it does sound corrupt, I was wanting to see the movie. feel bad for those people who died, and their family.
actually the new fuel is better. Part of the 6.0s problems were fuel. The dirty stuff the U.S. had killed 6.0 turbos and injectors, which were designed in Europe based on cleaner European fuel.
Being all pretty good, I place the 'best engine' decision down to the availability of good mechanics and workshop (ideally allied to the distributor) in your locality. A mechanic who knows your engine well makes quite a difference.
Great channel. Really appreciate you sharing all the info/opinions. I am shopping for a tow vehicle and am perplexed by the asking price vs. the MSRP I see when doing VIN look up for used diesels. What am I missing? How can a used truck be worth more 3-5 years old than it was new?
Got screwed with a 6.7 power stroke, had one failure after the next and then ford wouldn't cover it. Never again
Ford did the SAMs to me , I drive a dodge now
Great info Big trk Rv, I own a 03 Dodge 2500 4x4 p/up, with a cummings, is CARB going to make me install a special muffler and have to use DEF to drive in California,?? I appreciate the info.Thank you....
Jimmy T, I'd stay far away from California and their nonsense. Apparently, damned near everything causes cancer in California. LMAO More like California is a cancer on the rest of the USA.
Turbo Diesel;
Amen to that statement.
Jimmy T, California doesn't usually require anyone to add aftermarket equipment to their vehicles. It is usually a requirement to the manufacturer and they add fines so customers like you and I don't remove said equipment.
that's kinda what I figured, for the old school the 12v Cummins and today they all stepped up the game..I have a 01 power stroke never had problems and it was sitting for a few years now got my sensors going out..it only has 231k but there very hard pulling loads type of miles... I'm the 1st owner..
Wow!
Well rounded review!
yeah ok, ill just keep clicking along in my LB7 with a 6 speed manual trans with no emmisions from the factory and the same fuel mileage as a new truck with no DEF
Edward Finkelstein and significantly less power.
DrewLSsix, sure, so you can get to the next red light about .5 seconds faster than the next guy. you jackasses that want a fast diesel truck are the reason these engines are going all to hell. a diesel is made for low end torque, not speed which is why HP has been boosted to a ridiculous level
Edward Finkelstein
+John Murphy nobody buys a diesel thinking up keep is low? Lmao so much more maintenance, expensive oil changes and more difficult to work on.
John Murphy Because they can pull a lot more unless you want to drop a bunch if money into a gasser. Sure you can build a big block and put two relatively small team turbos on it and make more power than a diesel and have just as much torque, but the 2 MPG while towing is going to sting ha ha.
Your joking right? 7.3 or 12 valve cummins
Aside from MPG, the 7.3 power stroke was a rock solid beast. I still know of Exursions and F series running them with 300k + miles, pulling and hauling on a daily basis.
I also like how the older ones could run without the turbo
I'm looking at a 06 dodge with the 5.9...my only concern is how good are the transmissions in these? I prefer to find a manual
cummins 5.9 the beast
I'm not a huge fan of Cummins engines far as maintenance goes. The oil filters on '15+ engines is much harder to get to and makes a huge mess. I like doing oil changes on the 6.7L PowerStrokes more, just easier to get to stuff.
Ratkill9000 Oil filter location is a PITA! Every time I change mine I ask "why the *uck did Cummins do this?" This is nothing like an N14 or ISX location (so much easier). Damn thing is even on the "hot side" of the engine?
Take the top of the airbox off and part of the intake to turbo and you can get right to the oil filter.
Not allowed to do that much off to get to the filter. It's easier to take the passenger front tire off or just go right over it. It's not bad once you do it enough times. Oil change interval is 15,000 miles and 6 months least from 2015 and up other wise it's 7500 miles and 6 months.
What do the older engines have that allow them to run on veggie oil more so than the newer engines?
Imagine how much longer they’d last if we had real engine oil. They took out a lot of the anti wear additives in 07 diesel oils for those emissions systems
In my opinion, the best Diesel engine is the 6.6 Duramax lb7
Duramax camper no the best duramax is the lbz
i only heard the best engies... cummins, cummins, cummins, cummins, katie cummings, and lastly cummins.
Stephen Smith i like that 😀😄🐷
LOL, Katie Cummings - she's tons of fun!
Stephen Smith haha
LML Duramax. Love it. I like the torque Cummins makes but can't beat that GM ride, Allison transmission and the Duramax engine is no slouch.
So with all said in your video, what emissions and fuel systems are most reliable the Ram, ford or Chevy? Thanks man!
the best diesel engine is the one that can use regular dielsel without any problem :V
Msi none can
Msi gas engines can use diesel but not the other way around
+Blake Bonner gas engines can't use diesel.
yes they can. Not very well obviously but if you screw up and accidentally but diesel in your gas tank it won't harm the engine. Other way around it will
actually, my renault kangoo 2003 handles the regular diesel perfectly, most engines without the electronic fuel pump and other stuff can do it [1990s engines] (dont remember how was called in english the non electronic fuel pump)
I couldn't disagree more with you on this one. All these new engines are swamped with emissions crap that will eventually cause nothing but problems. But you've made it quite clear you're a Ford fan boy so it makes sense that you would nonchalantly try to include the 6.7ps in this. Ford still hasn't had a proven diesel since the 7.3, and Obviously nobody would take you seriously if you said the 6.7ps like the one in your truck was best.
I'm a Duramax guy all the way, the ease of tuning, aftermarket support, and simply because it really hasn't changed that much in the 15+ years it's been around. That's over 15 years of R&D and building on the same platform. Not to mention they've really had minimal problems with the Duramax other than the first few years of production. But I still wouldn't buy one newer than a 2010. Why do people hate on them so much? Because they're fanboys who hate GM and are too proud to admit that it's a great platform.
In all honesty If Ford had stuck with the 7.3 and continued developing it over all these years I would probably own one. All of the 5.9 Cummins were great engines in my opinion. The 12 valve was way underpowered and not exactly cheap to get big power from, but it lasts forever. I'm no Dodge expert but I don't understand why they moved to the 6.7.
My personal opinion, the 7.3 International is probably the best diesel pickup engine, even though it was also underpowered in its factory form. Taking into consideration maintenance costs, the absurd amount of them that I've seen with over a half million miles or close to it, and the ease of finding used parts since they put that engine in everything.
Just my opinion, everyone can feel free to get butthurt over it.
Justin garland: Weird how you say "You're a ford fan boy all the way" and then a few sentences later you say "I'm a Duramax guy all the way".....At least I'm unbiased.... you on the other hand..... Plus, I made it clear I wasn't talking about older generation diesels are the irrelevant because they can't be purchased in new trucks. This video was to address NEW or SEMI NEW trucks... Most new truck buyers arn't out in the market looking for a 7.3 Super Duty from the late 90s.
Big Truck Big RV You titled your video "Best pickup Diesel engine", not "Best NEW pickup Diesel engine". At no point did you clearly state you were only talking about new engines, just that the newer models were the best in your opinion. Which I still disagree with. As more emissions systems get added to these engines, their lifespans will decrease. I will be very surprised to see any newer model diesel last nearly as long as its previous generations. So I guess my opinion would be that currently all 3 of them are equally horrible.
And yes, I do currently own an LMM Duramax. I really don't consider myself brand biased at all, but clearly you don't seem to think you are either. Perhaps we're both wrong. If I absolutely had to choose a brand I would consider myself a Jeep guy, but Chrysler did a good job of ruining that for me. When I bought my Duramax it was because I considered it to be the best option at the time. I disliked the looks of the Dodge, and Fords diesels were a mess. So if we're just considering diesels from the past 10 years I would have to choose the Duramax because it's the most consistent platform, although I still think all three newer engines are being ruined my emissions.
Heepin327 Funny how the new duramax is now all new and has nothing in common with the older ones. But lets be real can you really run a hauling business with older trucks. Of course you can but its risky from break downs to safety features. Newer diesels are the way to go. I agree with the all three being great platforms at this point its just choice of flavor.
i like my 6.4 deleted had only regular maintenance done. right now i personally like the 6.7 Powerstroke the best need to try out the Duramax to see for sure
Just look around during your commute. I know in my area I still see lots of old Dodge pickups still in COMMERCIAL use. These trucks have been maintained around the Cummins workhorse (esp the 12 valve). What's the engine of choice for those doing diesel conversions? 12 valve. All 3 manufactures are today making a good product. But if you're asking what's the hands down best diesel engine ever put in a light duty truck the 12 valve Cummins is the clear winner. They slapped a proven industrial diesel engine in a pickup. The results shouldn't be surprising.
The best Diesel engine wasn't even mentioned... how could you not mention the 7.3 at all?
That ain’t the best
I love all the hater comments. I think you're 100% correct with a 2013 or newer diesel. Couldn't agree more. From 07 to 11/12' all three were testing and figuring out the best way to make a reliable emissions system. Plus, I really enjoyed having a clean and quiet diesel - I ended up deleting mine, however I would like to go back to having emissions believe it or not.
Kyle Riegle: thanks brother. I agree
All the car /trucks don't = piss all in the world when emissions are considered they account for less then 2% to global warming .If you want a good diesel the old ones will out last any of this new stuff.Any DI will need gallons of solvent and electricity to clean the "environment" when the need service every 60k,recycled cats intake valves new injectors ,cleaned ect.. This whole clean diesel is complete BS.
The old ones worked the best ,I will bet any amount you will never see a new on make a million without major service and/or electrical problems ,add that cost to the "environment" and your behind ,add in the impact of just making a new truck and well anyone can get the BIG picture.
I sure do like that 1st. gen.12 valve Cummins.
Very refreshing to hear a rational opinion on the subject rather than some dinosaur insisting diesel technology peaked in the late '90s
That’s the easiest question in the world.
CUMMINS TURBO DIESEL
more systems equals more problems, I'll stick with.my old 7 .3
I really love my Nissan titan XD with the 5.0 v8 cummins diesel, I know there are bigger diesel engines, but for a smaller truck this is the best diesel out there
I'm looking for my first diesel and am staying brand-agnostic during this search, as I am most interested in reliability, performance, and durability, as well as towing capability. How much research is enough? Should I have an inspection done on a used truck at dealer's lot?
Duramax & Cummins here...
ford 7.3 diesel all the way, indestructible from the factory. all these new diesels are unproven and have so much electronic shit to go wrong, not only that but you also have to abide by the EPA bull shit and have your DEF fluid and EGR garbage
Kyle Nathe 7.3 for life. she ain't quick, but she'll outlast any diesel old or new
Agree, but if you have an 01 2WD, do NOT, I repeat, do NOT get off good concrete or asphalt
mark marchiafava
mark marchiafava why?
LinusScrubTips LOL, I have been stuck more times than I care to think about.
No, not due to mud, just could not propel this beast in any direction due to lack of traction.
Long bed, crew cab, TWO wheel drive, HEAVY front and LIGHT rear = no traction
A local vlogger, I haven't seen you on the highway yet but I'll be honking if I do! Great vlogs, 👍
Dan Agado III; thanks!
Where does the relatively new VM Motori motor (Ram ecodiesel) fit into this?
Why does everyone sound like their talking about grandpas truck...
Because that’s the last time they made an actual Diesel engine.
I guess I am a Grandpa now...
Because you don’t compare fully tuned trucks. You compare bone stock trucks.
7.3 power stroke was the ultimate ford engine but there 6.0 was terrible
Ryan Gan: I would bet that 6.7L owners would say that it's the ultimate Ford diesel. Largely reliable and produces tons of power
Ultimate engine in a Ford is the '15/'16 6.7 without the gimmicky dual compressor turbo.
I own a 6.0 and I love it. Welded egr, tuner, studs. Truck runs strong to this day. No issues. Just maintenance and this puppy will run forever. And FYI my truck smacks up the 6.7's light to light lol
After $5,000 worth of work so is a 06' Duramax. Oh wait, the Duramax already is!
Levi Lemon Are you saying your truck had been trouble free? Still, $5000 fix and my 07 powerstroke runs like new. strong and still very popular. oh and no payments.
I was hoping you would bring up the EPA issues...in my state diesels from 98 and before don't have to be smog tested...so I've been trying to find well taken care of older ones up to year 98...in that regards...which one would recommend...?
I’m upgrading my truck. I’m torn between the F350 or Dodge 3500. Dually or no dually? I’m towing a fifth wheel. Probably 12k max loaded 40’ long. Thoughts