The Big LIE Of The Vauxhall Mokka E
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2024
- Today's review of the Mokka E we also discuss to major lies Vauxhall and Opel tell us about their electric range and they are not the only ones, its time we see more honest figures on electric cars from average charge speeds to real-world miles for winter and summer. I also take the Mokka E for a drive as well as showing you its dimensions and charge speed info.
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00:00 Intro
00:06 Mokka-E Details
01:01 Why Is Vauxhall Lying To Us? Charge Speeds
01:57 How Does The Mokka E Drive?
02:19 How Many Miles Does The Mokka-E Do?
04:42 Top Speed?
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If it kept the 100kw charging rate, it would overheat the battery. Thus shortening its life.
I think it’s time that there was much more standardised rating for EVs. Speed of charge and range - a large SUV with a 90kwh battery with a range of 200 miles is wasting a huge amount of energy compared to say a Zoe with a 50kwh battery and a 230 mile range.
Like the multicoloured energy ratings on domestic appliances? There's an idea...
Anyone know if peugeot e-2008 and citreon ec-4 have same charging speed issue then? Thanks for uploading.
Average charging speed is a great idea. The standard rapid charge time is always quoted 20-80% so why not average charge speed obtained across this band. It's the home fibre speed debate again.
Great video 👍 However you spread a myth also. B mode does not save you more energy, in fact coasting is more energy efficient in d mode.
Been a while since I've watched one of your videos. Massive improvement - great informative video and plenty to think about 👍🏻👍🏻
After 4 years I hope I improved check out my interviews ;)
Some other things you need to know as an owner. So we have had a petrol automatic Mokka for 12 months. So the lane control is a pain. Getting in the back is another issue. So kids will be ok but if your an adult you will have issues getting in and out. We have the keyless entry. We have given up on this as it is so temperamental. Then one big issue is when we go to open the car with the key fob. We find the car will not open. The key fob stops working. So we have a trick now to get round this. We have to open and close the boot. Which I am guessing because we have keyless entry it allows us to do this. Then the key fob comes back to life. We can now open the car with the key fob. The car has been back 7 times to the dealer. Still not fixed.
Not many reviewers mention the charging curve and just quote what the manufacturer says - nice one. It would be better to quote miles added per minute of charging and to quote usable battery size. A Zoe charging at 50 kw adds as many miles in a minute as a large SUV charging at 100 kw. 150 miles range not bad for the Mokka considering when I test drove an E 208 the salesperson told me she was only getting 150 miles out of that.
Are you sure this car has the latest software as my e208 now has a much better curve than your test.
It had a software update back in July and I would of thought Vauxhall cars should be the same.
Mine now holds 100kw until 30% and is still charging at 50kw at 80%.
I understand what you’re saying though and it shouldn’t be all about the headline numbers
A lot of videos promote heavy regen settings. Owning a BEV and PHEV for 5 years, I believe using the brake pedal is preferable as it still uses regen and puts the brake light on. It also only uses regen when needed and is therefore more economical. Unnecessary regen captures a fraction of the energy it takes to speed up again.
Using the brake pedal actually does increase regen as you say however all apart from the zoe with there clever braking system also engage the brake discs also meaning your wasting some energy into heat. Lots of cars now use the radar to change the regen settings and some car companies like Hyundai give you 4 regen settings however i can drive most evs 99% of the time just using one pedal and this results in some VERY high mpkwh results
@@NicolasRaimo My experience especially with the Outlander PHEV is Regen level 0 is the most economical although it defaults to level 2. It just hits a nerve when a video states more regen equals better range. It maybe better for ease of driving but not economy. It's not such an issue in my MG as there is plenty of range and I'm not obsessed with economy but really don't like the PHEV using petrol and my commute is close to its electric range.
I agree. Nick is saying that everyone should drive this car (and other PSA group electric cars) in B mode, but that is just his preference. I only ever use B mode in my Corsa-e for long downhills; I prefer the lighter regen in D mode for normal driving, but that's just my preference.
@@andyfraser5876 I'm not knocking anyone for driving however they want and I appreciate the effort taken to produce content, but it seems like every video promotes using as much regen as possible to maximise range. It would be good to see some videos educating drivers on the subject of regen and efficiency. It doesn't really matter in long range EVs but it's very noticeable in my 25 mile PHEV.
New performance model of mokka-e ..anyone know if it should come to UK this year?
Unsure sorry
Always got to consider that the real range is 80-20% (unless you want to shorten battery life), so 200 WLTP (assuming it's accurate) is really 120, without heating etc. Our Zoe is struggling to get above 170 on a mixed commute (with heating), so useful range is ~95 (a recent trip to Bristol and back) before worrying about charging...
Any vehicle that advertises as less than 200 miles WLTP is a waste of money, especially when the battery starts to degrade, unless its sole function is to be a commuter, in which case a secondhand leaf is enough...
All good points. At 0:10 manufacturers also need to stop lying by calling cars SUVs when they are not. The Mokka is not an alternative to a Land Rover. It is a subcompact Crossover which is really just a tall small hatchback. As such the Vauxhall Mokka is actually a good choice for people who want a normal car that offers the option of an electric drivetrain. We can recommend it to neighbours who are not EV enthusiasts but have owned a Vauxhall; they will feel at home while no longer contributing to local smog. During lockdown the improvement in air quality showed how bad real world smog emissions are.
Not easy to quote an accurate speed surely as all this is actually regulated by the onboard BMS and charger trying to keep the battery happy plus the real delivery capability of the external charger that you plug into. What I mean is that based on battery temperature and individual cell voltages ( for the main) the charge speed will be varied by the vehicle to try and get a quick charge while keeping the battery chemistry right. This will vary from cold to hot battery scenarios ( weather combined with how hard the car has been pushed before charging). Also speed will be at the mercy of the rapid charger itself ( and they lie and approximate too - probably also based on how many other people are plugged in). By their nature they’re all playing the same ‘ up to ‘ game with these numbers.
We have just leased a mokka e and had issues withe the battery in fact it went from 20% to 5% in a matter of seconds and then 0% in a further few seconds. Ended up on the side of the M6. We got 104 miles from 94% until we broke down and ran out of electric. Waiting for vanarama to take the car back, not impressed.
I've run two range tests on my 2022 Mokka-e at motorway speeds (120 km/hr set cruise speed) using a 50 km out and 50 km return run. Both tests were run at an average temperature of 19°C and both had short tollway entry and exit slow speed elements. You can only get 160 km between 90% and 10% battery charge.
Cant say i trust the stelantis EV’s now, my e208 has been in the shop for longer than we’ve had it
I would have warned you off if I'd have known you were going to buy it. I had a Peugeot 405 back in the 90's. Never (ever) again will I buy a French car. Every time it went for a service, there were faults to repair which usually added ££££'s to the bill. Cylinder head gasket blew, alternator went tits up, power steering went faulty, electric sun roof pack up - while it was open of course. Nope, never again. Not ever.
@@Brian-om2hh Two cases out of how many thousands of happy customers with no issues? Every manufacturer has a percentage of bad cars, but it always amazes me the same people who swear off a brand for being French are usually the same people who frame failures in their German cars differently in their mind and subconsciously forget about it when talking about their cars as it’s very British to like the German brands. Which is a bit odd given Stelllantis brands have cars higher up in the satisfaction surveys than some of the German ones!
that car has a pending update. Maybe they haven't released it for Vauxhal Mokka yet. New e-cmp software revision has a much better charging curve. See Björn Nyland test of eC4
Hi Manta although the curve improves slightly the point remains most car makes advertise this big headline speed where an average over a set time period would be a fair way to advertise it.
The dead giveaway if its a ground up EV or not is a long bonnet (looks very long on the Mokka) and transmission tunnel.
right now people who buy this type of cars are usually tech minded enough to have a look at some tests and maybe its specs sheet at ev database. i think Nissan and VW also advertise their cars with the entire battery capacity and of course the charging speed of either of those cars isn't gonna be locked on the max speed.
"handles like a small hatchback..." thats because its it uses the same platform as the new Corsa
Humans live for 80 years, but we spend a 3rd of it unconscious, i.e asleep, but we still say 80 ish years.. just saying
They don't call it a Mockery for nothing!
Regenerative Braking is not always more efficient than coasting - did you just claim this as fact or actually have you tested it on similar routes - maybe B mode best around town, windy roads, but what about mixed main roads etc?
B mode just uses more regen rather than letting people waste it on hitting brake you can coast in B mode it’s down to the position of your accelerator. However most average users won’t think of anything above they just drive it this is why b mode works out better
You're right about the charge speed and battery capacity, bit it's unfair to put the blame on Vauxhall, as many manufacturers do exactly the same thing. Blame the industry in general.
By the way, you deserved that punch for being rude about Scottish accents. I'm from Coventry but live in Glasgow and I work with a guy from Hull who is much harder to understand than most Glaswegians!!
I know issue is with all why I mention it in video ;) haha little bit of friendly banter in video
how can i trust someone who recommends to drive in B mode all the way?
My Kia Soul EV gives 250 miles real world on a full charge...has 200hp...and is just a great EV to own.
Its a marmite car thou the Soul people either HATE it or Love it, its got to be one of the most quirky evs on the market.
@@NicolasRaimo The exterior shape actually makes it a quite spacious and practical car internally.
I would like to see you review one....:-)
Actually quite like the design. Just not sure about the interior quality. Looks very low rent.
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Its Opel not vauxel
in the UK its Vauxhall same car as the opel same company in fact but all UK opels are branded Vauxhall and contain that badge see my corsa review and you can see this badge
Its pretty obvious electric cars will not work for a whole country going forward at all
And why’s that what’s your qualifications to say this
@@NicolasRaimo no qualifications at all. Just can't see how every household can have an electric car in next 10 years. I have no parking where I live and have to do a 68 mile round trip each day for work
@@simonmcleish2703 street charging will fit or very fast rapid charging I’ve just done very north derbyshire to slough yesterday leaving with a full charge however on way back I only had 40 miles charge remaining a 25 minute stop will let me finish this 3 hour 30 minute drive with only a 25 minute stop which I needed anyway
@@NicolasRaimo I would love for this to happen. We had a new build at work. Massive car park and 5 charging points for work cars. I can't afford the car I would like electric wise at the moment. I'm fortunate to have a good wage too. What will happen to batteries when used, car fires, has enough been looked at as to how to deal with these. I just think we are diving into something that at the moment we aren't ready for at all
Oh dear.
RANGE IS AWFUL IN ANYTHING VAUXHALL!!!!!!!!!