Classical vs Folk Violin
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The last time I played in a fiddle jam, I mentioned that I was classically trained and one of the other fiddlers said (in his VERY strong Russian accent), "Do not worry. Is curable."
OMG love that! 🤣
Had a old man tell me one time "Once you get page learned some of em can't break it". Lose their ability to improvise on the fly. Always liked that
THATS SUCH A ROAST OMFG
Lol
I just stepped on a bee...
I guess there’s more than one person that can change a bee to a bee flat :^)
Nice
*INTERESTING*
I shouldn't laugh but well done, that was pretty good. But bee careful in future! There isn't many bees left and we need every single one
XXDD
ooffff
Oh, yes the famous game we folk musicians call “spot the classically trained violinist“
v i b r a t o
Yes
He's playing it like a classical song, it's great but you can tell it's not really folksy, you know?
They just can't play folk correctly
BAHAHAHHAAH YESSSS OMG
finally, brett is the non-classical side...
true😂
Agreed!!!
I was so confused 😂😂
Trad. folk is a subset of classical.
Brett: plays 'folk' the classical way🙄
Sibylle definitely!! Lol but it’s pretty good tho
My face when Hungarian Dance no 5 is played classically
Maybe it’s cuz they’re classical musicians 😱
@@annameehan9833 well it is not czardas tho
🤣 kinda hard switch styles your use to.
video about self-taught violinist and proffesional ones?
waiting :D
The professionals teaches you and the self-taught fucks you a year of study
Haha so true, i wasted 3/4 years of learning the violin on a self taught person who taught me everything wrong. Now my teacher is a Juliard (however you spell that) graduate. And btw, I also went through a fiddle tune phase which I would rather not talk about..
@@Warlock12347 The worst part is when you reclaim and they act in a such indignant way, i end up crying because i had to repeat everything
I don’t have an answer for you, but MANG! Had to say hello!
*gasp * Tata!
Omg I’m so fricken stupid. My bad.
I know this is an old video, but I really wish TwoSet would do an episode with a proper fiddler. I'm not a fiddler, but I do enjoy fiddle music. It's nothing like how they represent it.
i agreee
That's the joke. Yes folk music properly played is nothing like this. This is classical training run amok
I'd love this.
Yes, let them do en episode for example with Fergal Scahill, and they play together swallowtail jig
Get them in a room with mark o conner
The way Eddy played Romanian folk dances no. 6 was fucking sick. It sounded amazing
It was actually ... Really folky right?!
Im Romanian ))
@@d.r.9888that’s Bartók for you😀
You know ur early when the video is still private.
Same for me
Dønt mëss up my TeMpO
I CANT BELIEVEE
Me too!
Ooh la la
Yay! I like both kinds of music! : D The real fun is playing folk music by ear in a session with other musicians, imo. ^_^ Classical music is kind of more for performances and advancing technique, but I think of playing folk music in a session as more of a conversation with other musicians. There is no competition at a session -- nobody ranks anyone based on their playing skill. People go to sessions just to play music with others and learn new songs (or new variations of songs), which is pretty fun!
idk, sometimes the competition in a folk session is “check out how unnecessarily fast I can play this reel”
I love playing at sessions :)
I started with classical as well and it sure helps to build a foundation for any style of music!!
I do compete in fiddle competitions though and have won a couple
You’re amazing!! You taught me folk Katy
PLEASE ALL PEOPLE WHO PLAY JIGS
i am irish
and you need boUnCe and LiFe in a jig
don't just play the notes
same for old time fiddle tunes .. all about the groove
Yesssssss
YES
And the ACCENTS
@Kaitlin Zylstra You don't have to smile. Everyone I know who's seriously into fiddlin' (YEAH) looks miserable/possessed when playing. Mack Jonsson/Mack Shields, Mac Yonsson, whatever name he's going with these days is a great musician local to me and he looks scary af sometimes. You can look him up on RUclips, his bow is In A State at all times.
Brett's face: WTF is that?
Eddy's face: OMG! That's interesting!
And it has happened in many videos
:-0
Classical is the rich CEO in a suit while Folk song is that one really buff country boy.
*You feel me?*
No
@@bamboozle8997 lol
Yea, im catching your drift
Im picking up what you're laying down
I am receiving what you have messaged
boi*
The stereotype? No
I love how Brett never smiles but when he does he looks like a precious baby
If you can play it slow you can play it fast
😂😂
If you can play it folk, you can play it class.
Ling Ling can play The Orange Blossom Special in rondeau form. In his sleep.
LONG COMMENT WARNING!
I’m definitely more of a fiddler, but I have had some classical training as well, and it took my playing to the next level when it comes to speed, accuracy, cleanness, tone, and the complexity of fiddle breaks that I can actually play. My vibrato also improved TEN FOLD, though it is used much more sparingly in fiddle music than in classical styles. I will say this though: it is HARD to switch back and forth between the two because the rhythm in Irish/Scottish/Bluegrass fiddle is felt very differently than in classical music. In classical music, you must maintain the integrity of the piece as the composer or arranger wrote it and must follow the rules that the composer gives you in playing, like dynamics, bow stroke, and rhythm, while adding emotional depth and telling a story with the music. Fiddle music is dance music and is played as such: it’s lively, percussive, and bright and has more room for improvisation. There are also lots of ornamentations specific to each style of fiddle, such as the burl/shiver in Irish and Scottish music, and slides in Bluegrass and Irish music. (Scottish music uses a hammer-on instead of a slide to better emulate the Scottish bagpipe.) And those are just a few, most of which I don’t actually know the names of. We learn a lot by ear as fiddlers, though we may still have sheet music (I don’t generally for fiddle, but I can read it.) Just like a classical musician may listen to recordings by Perlman or Venegrov to get ideas for phrasing and emotional expression, fiddlers listen to Jay Ungar, Mark O’Connor, Mairead Nesbitt, or John Turner (who I had the privilege of learning under) to see how they play around the melodies and work in ornamentation. Every fiddler does it differently, and half the time we don’t even play the same thing twice. I’m happy Brett and Eddy, who I seriously respect and admire as musicians, decided to represent some folk music, and I encourage everyone to look into it more and learn more about the tradition, because it’s lots of fun!
Love Brett’s rendition of Ashokan Farewell!!! As a fiddler, I enjoyed hearing the tunes played by classical players! I loved it though, you guys should play some more folk stuff as well! (It can be counted as practice!)
That Irish washerwoman song though, my friend and I won a twin harmony competition with that song!!
Argh, sounded awful to my folkly trained ears. And the Irish Washerwoman is just a really bad tune created by English people to mock the Irish you know.
@@d.r.9888 spoilsport
Whats funny is i know it from Ken Burns The Civil War
Andre Rieu & John Sheahans Irish Washerwoman is an amazing full of life example of a lovely fuse of classical and folk music.
@@dogguy8603 super late reply but yeah I found it the same way though I didn’t know the name at the time. FiddlerMan does a interesting cover as a quartet that may be worth your time.
As someone who is an Irish traditional fiddle player, I feel like I can finally roast them without worrying since this is my area of expertise.
BRETT ILY BUT WHY THE HELL DID YOU PUT VIBRATO WE DON'T DO THAT. Also, we like to put more life into tunes, there needs to be a swing to the playing rather than just going through the motions, and please God don't do only single bows, beginner mistake.
It was a very anemic representation of “fiddling,” without a cut, roll or slide to be found.
@@lordarcalinox8582 or Martin Hayes. He's created a channel teaching tunes. Recommended.
I noticed all Irish fiddle tunes were played by Brett. Interesting. Anyway, to really play better he should subscribe to Martin Hayes. Sorry I had first name wrong. Just edited to Martin. Old. Brain fog . Help.
@@lordarcalinox8582 apologies it's Martin Hayes. Just edited. Don't know why I typed Denis. Never was good remembering names. I'm the same with trad tunes. Sing them and I can play, but names mean nothing to me. Even Classical music. I can identify composer and era well, but remember individual names of compositions, brain block. Apologies again. Do look up Martin Hayes. His tutorials are excellent.
Vibrato adds a bit of spice to a tune
"In their own small way, folk melodies are just as perfect as the grandest masterpieces of musical art" - Bartók, Béla
Bartók, csárdás, Hungarian dance I’m here for it
Szilvia K They are classical pieces based on folk tunes 😂
Franz Liszt-Chopin I know. Dont worry I’m not uncultured 😉
Classical vs Folk (Most of classical is folk) 😂
Franz Liszt-Chopin you wanna bet I can read
I’d love to be able to read
Okay, seriously I've been around folk fiddle all my life and Brett is playing BEGINNER fiddle.
When fiddlers play a jig it's faster than when Eddy played The Romanian Folk Dance (No. 6). Brett also didn't play with as much dynamics as a "good" fiddler. Those simple tunes are always "improvised" to be fancier by a fiddler. I hope this didn't misrepresent "fiddlers".
Nevertheless, props to Eddy and Brett for this. It was entertaining as always! =D
I know! I totally agree, like I don’t even remember when I learned swallowtail jig, I think I’ve just always played it and it’s the easiest jig ever, and Brett actually messed it up! I’m just like how is this possible?
You can't learn folk fiddle from the sheet music you have be around the community.
Almost like they don't usually play them :) (I 100% understand the sentiment here, this is joek)
Laura Wallbank it’s those string crossings. That’s how you tell the classical violinists from the fiddlers.
Yeah I'm nova scotian, used to play the fiddle and his difficulty with this stuff was so weird to me lol
I like how they play classical stuff with dynamics and varied bowing but just sound like robots on folk stuff. Just because it ain't spelled out haw to embellish for folk stuff doesn't mean to play it like a robot
Maybe they just wanted to show how nice is classical and how bad is folk music. I hope not
literally
Nah think just not use to it.
Their probably just not used to folk music, it’s a different genre, and their only used to play classical music.
I think brett just isnt used to playing folk music so he just yeah
Would be nice to hear/see more feeling in the folk pieces & also the b part would have been great to hear. As a musician who plays both classical & Irish there is as much drive & bounce to reels & jigs as there is in classical music. Would love to hear them do another video on folk and throw out the “technical” part of their playing and use more nuanced natural feel when playing
I’m an Irish dancer, and I’ve been binge watching twoset videos recently because they inspire me how to practice dance, so I looked up fiddling on their channel.... Irishdancers are so used to live musicians at most events, and I could hear mistakes and twoset stylization is obviously classical.... I’m sad to not hear any slip jigs though (9/8 timing) I think slip jig might actually sound good with a more classical stylization...
also, in irishdance competitions the dancer chooses the speed and the slower the music, the harder the dancing so it’s actually okay to slow things down as long as it has good energy in terms of stylization
LOL Eddie trying to kill a smile 0:25.
Sorry Ed, nobody does the "dead inside" face quite like Brett.
Bahaha, total breakdown at 1:37.
As a fiddler you guys make me laugh. I mean you play it like your doing classical which of course given your focus makes sense! I do love that you two are respectful at least to folk violin styles!
I like their channel, and I dig their sense of humor, but I wouldn't say they treated those tunes and folk styles with anything like respect. They hardly bothered to learn the melodies and don't acknowledge the various styles (some are Celtic, some are North American, just two of dozens or hundreds of folk styles). It's like they never actually heard the styles they attempt to play.
The guy playing the classical pieces shows tremendous passion and focus and obviously knows how to make it expressive. The guy playing the folk tunes plays like a beginner, stiff and uncomfortable (with the notable exception of Ashokan, which sounds lovely if not really fiddle-y).
It seems like the point was to make them sound simple and easy and not worth learning. The truth is that playing either Irish or North American fiddle well requires techniques this guy did not use and probably has never learned: bow pulsing, bow scraping, rhythmic shufflling, lefthand ornaments. I think maybe I heard a drone string somewhere
I'd love to hear this guy put real effort into properly learning a couple of tunes. I have no doubt he could make them sound incredible. However, this video comes off as disrespectful to fiddle traditions
@@TheDanielDaugherty Reading your comment I was wondering are you a fiddler like me? And as I think over the video with these guys I find myself agreeing your comments 100% I did not think over until you mentioned their demeaner and lack of just pure curiosity in learning a different style.
I should myself a bit I am legally blind and only vision partly in my right eye. So my music on the fiddle is all just by listening and trying to pick out the melodies. I play a very old style from Texas where you use the fiddle as a accompaniment to sing with so I will play the melody of a tune say "Whiskey and Pretty" or "I'll Never Get Drunk Anymore" and sing while I play over it. Back when I was in college in Nacogdoches Texas at SFA. I heard older gentleman who was at the time a living legend in Old Time Music in the region of Texas and he sang a tune called "The Devil and the Farmer's Wife's and sang the lyrics over playing the melody and I thought that was so beautiful that I decided to teach myself that style of playing. Sadly now after nearly 20 years I find that Old Time music is all but dead in Texas now.
I am one of only one other man a Luthier down in Nacogdoches who plays a fretless banjo. Old Time music is sort of like finding gold in a mine that is long emptied of gold to me. Anyway please don't be a stranger it is a rare treat to even find someone who knows the old songs anymore!
@@jeremyreagan9085 Hey! Thanks for your reply. I would love to hear you perform your style! The only Texas fiddle style I know is contest style, which is ... whatever.
And yes, I play Appalachian style
So early that every comment is about how early you are
@@TG-nh7sh me
@@TG-nh7sh lol
WHOOOOOW EDDY and BRETT have switched role ? This not usually they are. Usually brett play classical part. 😨 Anyway you all looks handsome in black shirt 💕💕💕💕
I love the fun but talent this channel shows through their instruments!
I rate the folk music an *interesting* /10
Haha that's coz this isn't real folk!
I can NOT believe I missed this one! That was the best thing ever, thank you!!!
It's because of you two that I actually like and manage to stay awake while listening to Baroque, Classical and Romantic music!! Thank you soo much!
Now do the devil went down to Georgia
Gianina Rubio yassssss
oh yes as. that piece gave me nightmares but it was worth it.
This video just made me want full versions for so many of the pieces Eddy played
i learned fiddle in scotland since i was around 8 and ive not been around many classical players but wow they really stick out like a sore thumb, i appreciate this video though and bretts willing to do this
yeeeeeesss, a video about folk music!!! round of applause from all your scottish and irish viewers XD. btw you guys should for sure watch shooglenifty performing coz of the anniversary of angus's death recently, he was an amazing player
Your "folk violin" still sounds like classical violin playing rather than fiddle playing. Very rigid and formal rather than loose and playful.
I'd love to see you guys react to someone like Ashley MacIsaac and see just how sacrilegious it is to you
1:54 "I know that we are are young and I know that you may love me, but I just can't be with you like this anymore, Alejandro."
I really like these back-and-forth videos. Music is music.
When you see those folk violinists busking in the hotels...
I've been here since the vid was private
Sammmeeeeee
*before it was mainstream
One of the “classical” pieces was Bartók Romanian F O L K Dances
Yep, and it sounded folkier than anything Brett played!
😂
Still loved it! Thanks for sharing, y'all! Please stay safe and healthy. (Smile)
I love the sound of the high notes on the g string it's so nice
I love Csárdás
I'd love to see you play some Swedish polskas or Norwegian halling...
If they ever did a Norwegian halling, I'd love to see them try the Hardanger fiddle as well... xP
@@UlvFraNord oh yes, that would be awesome!
Yesss but as they failed to play Irish music half decently, I'm not sure I want to see them perform a polska :p
@@d.r.9888 that's true, playing folk music requires groove. If they were to play a bondepolska from a sheet, it wouldn't sound like a bondepolska at all...
Also do classical music versus cinematic music next.
Damn voice to text.
You both are Soooo good 👏👏👏🎻🎻👏🎻
I love both so much
Somehow I missed this video when it first came out but it popped up in my recommended list today. Very fun! Brett's not too bad at the jigs. But if you were to really folk out, Acadian style, you have to get your feet going too, tapping the beat, or even dancing as you play
The difference between a fiddle and a violin: if you tap your foot while you play, it’s a fiddle. If you don’t, it’s a violin.
A violin practise a day keeps the viola players away
Lark ascending is such a nice piece
I love Lark’s Ascending too!!!
Finallyyyyyyy I was waiting for this comparison
I think "violin vs. fiddle" would might get more views. :D
Exactly. Swallowtail Jig is classic folk song and they almost messed it up 🤣🤣
brett looks like he just witnessed Ling Ling playing the viola
Underrated comment
You guys are amazing and have true talent
This is my second year in orchestra and I love it so much I play the cello
1:21 Romanian *Folk* dances
*visible confusion*
How do they manage to make so many videos in such a short time?
Einshine Goku they record a ton of them at a time and then stagger them. they're also on tour now so they're probably recording a ton of videos from hotels and stuff
Thanks
They don't practice.
*I am so early to the point where the notification pops out it came as a private video*
Nolan D. K luCAS
@@layan5246 AYO WASSUP MAAAN
I'm just now learning Swallowtail Jig and it was a hoot when he messed up the second time :-) Love these guys
More folk music vids and roasts etc please!
In college my brother was in the orchestra (music major). I was in pop ensemble (engineer). He practiced for hours every day, Did two shows in a year. Pop practiced twice a week. Played to full house student union every Friday. Don't make fun of pop/folk. Once upon a time the true measure of a musician was could people dance to their tunes. Rich folk sit, looking board, listening to classical music. The poor folk dance, sing, and laugh to the music of a good fiddle player.
Brett, Eddy, come to the dark side (folk/pop). We have beer! There are women at our shows. They dig musicians. You can find work every Friday and Saturday night.
I'd love to hear you guys play Orange Blossom Special!
Brett's new hair though . . . . . LIT
Thank you guys for giving me a reason to smile things haven't been soo bright lately
This is the earliest I’ve ever been to a twosetviolin video
I'm so early the video isn't even uploaded yet.
You guys need to make a video sight reading Charlie Parker sax solos.
Due to the improvisational style of jazz it's kind of impossible to do that
@@davispo7550 I don't understand. Why can't someone sight read any sheet music, no matter the style.
@@MattLeGroulx Well how can somebody read something that isn't written? If it's improvised it means there was no sheet music to go off of. However I don't really know much about Charlie Parker, so perhaps he had charts that came with notated solos
@@davispo7550 People have transcribed his improvised solos. You can buy books of them written out so yes, it's quite possible to read a Charlie Parker solo. In fact it's pretty much mandatory if you want to be a jazz musician to analyze transcriptions of his solos or do one's own transcriptions which is really the best. Actually, if you do read through some Parker solos you'll find that there are a lot of similarities to Bach and they sound really quite beautiful played on their own as you would a Bach Partita.
@@MattLeGroulx I would also like them to sight read Coltrane's Giant Steps.
We need to get two set in the same room as Mark O'Conner, Sam Bush, or Michal Cleaveland that would be sick.
When the talent meets the creatity, a new genius borns. In this case two. Congrats @TwoSetViolin for your skills and your catchy videos!
when Lingling was my teacher he once said to me "why did u have a B mark in music your not B-sian your A-sian!!!!!"
*cries*
i dunno why but if u see a meme or comment like dis it may be coincidence :
clicked so fast the video was private
a little bit trashy sameeee
If u could click fast u could click slow
A violin sings.
A fiddle dances.
I love both 😄 Also, really disappointed y'all couldn't even finish the swallowtail jig... Love that piece. Besides, the playing of the folk stuff didn't sound very connected or accented properly like a true folk violinist would play. Especially with the Swallowtail Jig...
Listen, real OG's will know Turkey in the Straw by a different name.
Wakko's 50 States and their Capitals.
Oh cool! I never knew that!
Can you set your bow on fire by playing too much or rosining too hard?
No
@@appmicro does it get hot after a while you play?
So happy I found your channel 😊💕
Love that you guys thought about the old folk violin pieces!
Rahhh I've never heard folk being played in such an un folksy way
Ling Ling can play both... at the same time
Great to see you guys play!!!
I love you guys. I grew up in the Ozarks, and on folk music. I enjoy the way you play classical music but I don’t hear any heart when you play the fiddle.
I don't get why they laughed during "Swallowtail Jig"? Is it like a memed song or something...? :PP
no one explain
I had the same question
Nah, it's cause Brett kept messing up.
I'm reeeeeaaally curious too! What's all these inside jokes about?? Huh?
@@vb-oj2lm maybe because Swallowtail is the first jig everybody learns.
I myself dont play it very well but it is considered easy like Come as You Are. I always have problems with the bowing.
Did i just beat ling ling to a video ... no he was here before it was even filmed
princess of pain always watching...
Ling Ling does not watch videos, Ling Ling practices
I really enjoyed this post!
He plays the folk prices like he's just waiting for it to be over. You can't play the fiddle with no soul in it
AAAAAAH WE JUST PLAYED ASHOKEN IN MY CHAMBER ORCHESTRA REEEEEEEEEE
Edit: AND IRISH WASHERWOMAN EEEEEK
No one says "folk violin"... it's a fiddle 🇮🇪🇺🇸
Yep I’ve been playing all of these folk tunes since I was a kid
Thank you for making this.
ling ling can play all styles of music at one time while changing all Bs to B flats, and smite all violas out existence, and playing it fast, because if you can play it slow, you can play it fast.
I N T E R E S T I N G
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I don't get why they were laughing during the Swallowtail Jig one..
Maybe they have big egos.
Nocturnal Snake Have you seen other videos? Their egos are all but big...
@@nickpol1899 positively I saw.
I think you’re my teacher...
@@sneddypie Wait what?? 😅
It’s like flute or clarinet players joining jazz band and trying to play jazz sax.
2:14 just two Irish washerwomen and their violins :)
The folk sounds so robotic, it's unbelievable :D absolutely dead music :D Has Brett ever listened to a fiddle? Love u guys non the less :)
is it weird if i know more folk songs than classical songs in this video
Masky With No Horror Traits me too 😂
hey, it happens to me too! 😂😂
Nah everyone knows folk music its normal you knew more of those
oof its my first time getting replies im crying tears of joy internally😹💙
Eddy’s like a restless child. He just refuses to stand still.
Thank you guys! Yout videos are always amazing and an inspiration to practice 40 hours a day
0:17 Chain hang low
Ikr?😂
Ah, I love both. But Brett plays folk music like a classically trained violinist.
You know I've spent too much time watching you guys on IG when I have repeatedly double tapped the video to like it. I don't even remember how i got to your youtube page 😂
I love your new and improved hairstyle Brett