What specifically destroys drift tires and how to get more laps out of a set!
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- Опубликовано: 28 ноя 2020
- What specifically destroys drift tires and how to get more laps out of a set? I always want to get the most laps out of a set of drift tires possible, and I work hard to do it. Harder than most people realize. I designed Lone Star Drift rules around the idea. I designed Lone Star Drift media around the idea. I think that if everyone tries to become a Formula D driver in a non Formula D format, that they will burn themselves out drifting far before they should, while causing a ton of stress and heart ache in their hobby. Crazy competition drifting setups have their place, but you should know where that time and place is in order to utilize your money to the best possible level.
So in this episode we check out the tire wear on a bunch of Kenda Tires and a few others, and talk about the blistering of tires due to too much heat. We talk about bad alignments and how to fix them. We talk about tire life in general. We talk about why too hard of a compound is a bad idea because the tires can't take the heat. We talk about a lot of things. Typically this refers to 240sx, e36, e46, 350z, g35, and those types of chassis from low horsepower to moderate horsepower. Please enjoy! 
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Hey that’ll be another good video “bad driving habits”
The world needs an Aaron Losey drift podcast
A video a day is enough to already kill me lol
this is a podcast, h3 only uploads video podcasts
I never understood wanting grip in a drift car until I drove a 400hp car. Weirdest feeling ever being sideways but actually driving out. Felt like being pushed from behind.
Far cry from my 100hp and over-inflated scrap pile all-seasons!
The zooms on Fieldings hair killed me
random zoom got me too ya :D
Man, I would have never thought about any of this. Such good info!
FFS KENDA make 195/50/15 and you will gain the entire Miata drift community as profit.
They make a 195/55r15. I liked the 55 sidewall more than the 50 on my s13 personally.
AE86 too.
And Volvo 240s
@@treyjohn3166 decent amount of laps even on the 195 Kenda compared to the 265s?
Think I might try those
Really good info, I worked at a tire shop and learned a bunch from this video still. Thanks!
Great video! Thank you so much for the great information. Showing all the different tire wear really helped to understand everything that happens to a drift tire.
Great job explaining every detail thank you so much for the knowledge 🙏
I love these tip videos. Thanks for making and sharing!
A cool way I have found to extend tire life is using a water squirter for the rear tires. Mine sprays with an on switch over 30miles per hour. The tires still grip but the grip level and tire temps are decreased a good bit.
Taylor Ray did a good showcase of this awhile ago but Adam LZ's radiator cooler setup is more of how I have the water container setup.
I can easily get twice to three times the tire life with this modification.
Wow that is cool thats like innovative. How did you wire it up for 30mph to engage the sprayers? Thanks for sharing.
@@2JZLS Mine happened to be a methanol sprayer setup that came with a controller that had ways to spray it. I just used a larger tank for the water. I also rigged up the Evaporator drain to loop and fill the water which helps on hot days I could use AC when drifting. I did have to add two filters in it but that was easy stuff.
Lol could just run the windshield washer sprayers to the rear tires.
@@DirtDude117 how big of a tank do you use?
@@codenamecordon I have a six gallon tank for it now just to avoid frequent refills.
I was running older feddys on my car in Japan and I did a whole ebisu matsuri on one set. They chunked a little but they were in such good shape I drove home on them 4 hour drive.
I probably had like -3 rear camber too.
235/45/18
Car was 400hp s14 with fully adjustable arms.
You zoomed in on the hair due 🤣😂 👊
Love the videos keep them coming this video was very informative on drift tires. I live in the dfw were can I buy 265/35/18s kendas local?
Camber helps not just heat but weight distribution too. Its pressing harder on the inside so increased friction is on the inner side.
Sucha great video man, love your content. What alignment specs does patrick run? Sorry if youve gone through that before
That’s gotta be my problem I would hot lap 195 all seasons and they come out lookin hella goofy
I have a washer set up with nozzles over my rears for when i do my cool down. Helps alottt and i dont have to get out to spray my tires down
Great info!
I was wondering why my pair of kendas started chunking like that after a day at musselman. Makes way more sense now. I think I got 70 - 80 laps in my Z there all day after already doing 40-50 at the Phoenix track from two other events. Thanks for the explanation
Yeah it is crazy, because you think, WTF, why are these chunking!?!?! Then you think, why are they lasting 70-80 laps at the same time at full tread depth lol! Something has to give, we are tearing the tires apart, it just looks visually different than they normally do as they die. Musselman is a RAD track!
Great video.
heard about some sort of sprinkler system fitted using the wrx sti sprinkler system.
Kenda Kaiser are really something weird, i had tried used tires and achiles 123, used ones i spent so much money running them, achiles are grippy but they dont last long and then.... tried kaisers.... i ran a whole top16 event until top 4 with classification and OMTs, something i would never achieve with the same money spent on used tyres or other ones, 2 new ones outperformed and outlasted all my budgets i had tried before. The same tires stayed used in a drift day.... its really impressive.
8:40 im guilty of that on my G but i finally got the arms. it was not close to $200 an arm but it still adds up to be cheaper than tires
Had my first ridealong with Fielding at Midpond (IYKYK) in a red 350Z. Building a stock motor, no interior, caged G35 coupe drift car (daily driven by myself since '05). Right now I only have OEM 19" x 8" +30mm front and 19" x 8.5" +33mm rear wheels. What size rims / tires would you recommend and which model Kenda is the magic 265 mentioned in the video? If I recall 265 is far too wide for the OEM 18" (x 8" width all around on the coupe) wheels so I'm guessing I should look aftermarket and keep the 19" for the ride home from the track.
I’ll be damned. I found this video probably 10 minutes after I was told to like this page on Facebook. 😂
What’s a good kenda tire for the front setup?
Now I’m curious about Valinos performance
Sidewalls can wear from body roll and stretched tires too
Aaron, ive been doing this a long time and still dont have great information on front end alignments for grassroots drifting. Would love some experienced knowledge!
What size tire should I run on my 17 mustang gt and wheel size?
What is this heat cycling you talk about near the end?
Kenda vezda kr30 i used em for 3 winter back road ,parking lot , and the berma bomb from rolling blind corners ice coated dirt road with wildlife an other drivers its 8.5 miles to the top if you make dead mans corner of course chevy sonic hatchback 😅
do a video sometime soon about tire squirters, that could go hand and hand with this video
They did do one a while back about shredders car. That has squirters on it
@@thevtecnician can you give a name of en episode or something?
Look at MightyCarMods video about intercooler water spray. You could copy that and just run the line and squirter to the rear tires.
@@sultanofswingdrift3021 I tried looking I couldn't find it.
Thank you
Whats up with the Mk3 Supra? Does it ever get drifted?
Great video. Can you explain positive camber in the rear?
Most cars gain negative camber while squatting
I just ran kendas for the first time on my 2011 5.0. The tire wear is crazy. First set, I got 15 laps at one event. Then drove home on them and daily drove them for a week. Then drove over 5 hours at a Grange that next weekend. I didn't have enough energy for the second set
Lol! That heat cycling them once before you really went at them probably made them last way longer
@@LoneStarDrift so you’re saying I should get a daily with 18”s, then drive on the brand new drift tires for a while to heat cycle them and then put them on my drift car and drive until I collapse? 😂
I know exactly one of the dudes at drift week that had bad alignment
I just drove by your shop like 3 days ago!! 🙂
Thats not creepy
@@stephngibson5517 it’s not I live like 10 mins from there I see the badass drift cars all the time 😁😁
Ohh I’m buying an rx7 I’m going to make drift ready. If anyone wants to follow my channel 😁
now i want to see the cars alignments
When ever I get rx8 wheels with tires on, usually Michelin or Dunlop, they all look like the last tire after about few sessions. I just seen the last one and I was "oh, looks like the Michelins when Im done with them, wonder what causes them to end up like that" 🤣
Please teach me how to stop hot lapping. I am shocking for chunking haha
Does tire pressure make a considerable difference in life? Assuming perfect alignment and responsible heat management - could I expect to get noticeably more laps out of a higher pressure (45-55 psi) tire vs a lower pressure (15-20 psi) tire?
Tire pressure is more of a grip thing. You want the correct amount of grip for the car and power. We typically don’t adjust it for tire wear
very interesting...
What tyre do you recommend for a stock body 180sx is there anyway I can squeeze a 265 on there or do I have to keep running 235’s until I force myself cut up my still clean rear fenders?
roll and pull fenders as much as you can. i would avoid widebody at all costs
dammit im too early .... lol great idea for a video for all
Where is there to drift in texas
How do KR20A 300tw work for grip racing and autocross? Are they fairly sticky
They make a 180 tw version for that. The 300 tw is a bit too high of a tread wear. It is better for drifting
@@LoneStarDrift Thanks!
Did anyone else watch that little spider run past his thumb at 5:46 ?
Tell Kenda to give us small wheel guys a 205/50/15 in 300tw!
Are those all speaker boxes in the back ground?
Yes
Are you guys sponsored by Kenda? 🤣 if not you really should be. I've heard some good things about them but I've had nothing but issues with my Kenda Klevers that are on my pickup. I only got about 3000 miles out of them before I replaced them. Had 7 patches in it from where a random whole pops in them and the tread was worn half way down. I'm really hoping this wont be the case on my next one.
I’m confused man, you guys are saying to align it but why do all the professionals run a somewhat aggressive camber??? Isn’t camber in the front beneficial you drifting?
Podcast possibly?
Kendas sound like the reds bearings of the drift world lol, Ole inexpensive and reliable
Does cold outside temp kill tires faster? Did an event where it was low 20's outside and it seemed to zap em fast
I had the same experience, tires don’t last for some reason
Not a physicist but I guess its probably due to the very quick change in temperatures from a lower point. Like how glass will shatter if it heats up too quickly.
Caveat. These are front tyres 😅. Otherwise idk how 60 laps on a tyre
The "chunking" that you were showing on the first tire is also de-lamination. Only one thing I would like to say is that it can sometimes just be a bad tire, just something to consider if its only on one tire. I've seen it happen on motorcycle race tires using proven repeated setups. Cheers. (though if you think I'm wrong, I'd love to know why)
Standard Michelin failure due to long term use
It looks like to me
I had no idea you could get 60 plus laps on a pro car😮
Yo. I dont have kenda tires where im from. Wev got some cheap crap tires here that i used to run on my e30 like the (king or regal tire) but from what they wer saing it sounds like ill get more laps and seat time from a falken ziex does anyone have experience with em? they cost like 970 bucks a tire here where as the regal pops in at 500 for a 17"
Have u guys tried ATR Sports? They are supposedly durable as well as cheap.
LMAO trash
every one of the ATRs during drift week chunked or delamed in some way, none of them lasted long enough to use all the treads
The atr sport 2 don’t last that long in my experience. But their 123s are the grippiest tire for drifting you could imagine! They make great stuff for gripped up drift cars, but the don’t have anything that lasts forever that I have come across.
Been trying to find some 18's (rare for fox 4 lug) so i can get those damn tires. I only wet/rain drift. So im thinking 200 laps+. lol. Ill count it out and report once i get em. Course my laps are 1/4 of a real lap.
Maybe there’s a common way to convert it to 5 lug?
@@codenamecordon oh ya. Im just cheap. lol.
@@traderryan713 some of these mods help you save money in the long run (cheaper wheels and the size choice you need to run tires that last longer) so it’s probably worth doing. That’s the approach I’m taking with my current build - do the things that help it become reliable and cheaper to run, even if it means more work or cost up front. If I can run a cheaper tire and still hang with everybody - it’ll pay for itself. If I can just do a Frankenstein rear axle with cheap parts that’ll comfortably take the power I’m throwing at it and I don’t need to buy diffs and half shafts every weekend - that’ll pay for itself too.
60 laps drifting out of a tire? what
Ikr, my tires last like 8 laps at my local track
Wrong tire pressure wears down tire faster..
16:10 “micro chunking”
Idk how you guys are getting 60+ laps with your set up I'm only getting 25-30 laps MAX with my stock SR20 and angle kit all adjustable rear arms and professional alignments and i run them until they pop and heat cycle them
Differentl tracks have better tire wear than others. The ones they did on drift week were super easy on tires. Gulf greyhound park i get like 15 laps or so on a kenda and at speedsportz I can go all day on a set which is probably 100 laps.
Yeah track difference and driving style!
I get tyres for 5quid
Micro-chunking
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