Why First Class Is Disappearing

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    • @itstomatogear6806
      @itstomatogear6806 2 года назад +1

      Haha 😅

    • @itstomatogear6806
      @itstomatogear6806 2 года назад

      To solve the problem of network reach they should like on the smaller planes like the 787 they should only put 2 first class seats etc etc

    • @jacksycz
      @jacksycz 2 года назад

      Got it lol

  • @heesingsia4634
    @heesingsia4634 2 года назад +5482

    Those rich enough to fly 1st regularly will probably have a private jet now.

    • @fettlemaster
      @fettlemaster 2 года назад +233

      @Alex Alex not quite right - there are a number of private jets crossing the Atlantic daily.

    • @fettlemaster
      @fettlemaster 2 года назад +312

      @Alex Alex A Honda jet is basically a toy. Gulfstreams of various sizes, Dassault Falcons, Bombardier Challengers and Global Express etc are all hopping back and forth across the Atlantic daily.

    • @franciscogodoy9158
      @franciscogodoy9158 2 года назад +233

      You don't need to own it. You can hire it or get into fractional ownership. It has become much easier to fly private jets for wealthier people.

    • @frankchan4272
      @frankchan4272 2 года назад +74

      @@franciscogodoy9158 also they can charter private planes.

    • @nafnaf0
      @nafnaf0 2 года назад +89

      @@fettlemaster The $80M Gulfstream G650ER has a range of 8,000 miles, that is up there with best commercial aircraft like the Boeing 777-300ER

  • @jananaiscutey2387
    @jananaiscutey2387 2 года назад +3820

    Most people just want a lie flat bed , good meal and service. You can get that with business class for a fraction of the price of first class.

    • @harrisonschutz6893
      @harrisonschutz6893 2 года назад +121

      *And privacy…

    • @defencover7697
      @defencover7697 2 года назад +84

      Business class is also luxurious.

    • @charleseskildsen3317
      @charleseskildsen3317 2 года назад +95

      @@defencover7697 Luxurious is very subjective. Example, You find business class luxurious and I find it to very comfortable depending on the airlines but it is far from luxurious.

    • @defencover7697
      @defencover7697 2 года назад +60

      @@charleseskildsen3317 Middle-eastern and Singapore provide luxurious business class though to function as first class too.

    • @Gabe-cv4yr
      @Gabe-cv4yr 2 года назад +47

      Until it becomes the new first class, especially when they bump up the prices to compensate for what they feel like missed monetary gains.

  • @newyorkeranew
    @newyorkeranew 2 года назад +2093

    Worth noting, today’s business class is VASTLY better than the First Class I flew 25 years ago.

    • @Passions
      @Passions 2 года назад +16

      Good point

    • @lausimeyer6558
      @lausimeyer6558 2 года назад +105

      What airlines call "premium eco" today, is the business class of the 90s. Its not first class, that disappears, there's simply no market for a class better than this one with lie flat seats.

    • @carlmaster9690
      @carlmaster9690 2 года назад +24

      Most Premium Economy cabins are far better than what First Class was in 1990. Just take a look at first class seats on American Airlines' DC-10s and 767s on the Home Aline films compared to Premium Economy on Emirates today in 2021.

    • @parissanders2343
      @parissanders2343 2 года назад +28

      @@lausimeyer6558 came here to say this; business class just 10-15 years ago was "recline" not lie flat, and you woudln't get privacy like you do now with herringbone seating arrangements in business. Business class seats used to be more like a much large economy seat (in a 2-2-2 arrangement) with better food.

    • @lausimeyer6558
      @lausimeyer6558 2 года назад +22

      @@walternyc Covid is a welcome reason for airlines to do some cost-cutting. Plastic cups in first class are ridiculous.

  • @adamdas5495
    @adamdas5495 2 года назад +531

    SUMMARY: The reason first class is disappearing is because the lack of customers and the improving business class which offers similar service with the fraction of the cost.

    • @candicecart9786
      @candicecart9786 2 года назад +7

      I would say also chartering a nice private plane is a lot easier now 🤷🏼‍♀️ A lot less hassle and cleaner

    • @artamghotbi8305
      @artamghotbi8305 2 года назад +1

      Overpriced compared to what you recieve

    • @briangasser973
      @briangasser973 2 года назад +6

      It is not overpriced if you are a major CEO or entertainment figure who places a high value on your time. Private jets travel where and when you want to go. That flexibilty is critical for alot of untrarich vs. a lounge with a spa.

    • @curiouscat428
      @curiouscat428 Год назад +2

      Thanks for saving my time.

  • @United1158
    @United1158 2 года назад +1924

    Probably because business class is becoming so great

    • @hothotheat3000
      @hothotheat3000 2 года назад +75

      Qatar is insanely nice in business class.

    • @hugoo1855
      @hugoo1855 2 года назад +13

      Exactly

    • @nafnaf0
      @nafnaf0 2 года назад +34

      My company will pay for business class, but not first class. I have never flown first class, not sure if I ever will

    • @awil2
      @awil2 2 года назад +4

      @@hothotheat3000 NO WAY U JOINED 2006 HA I JOiNEd 2005 September yt

    • @1SCme
      @1SCme 2 года назад +14

      Once you get some privacy screens, a lie flat bed, and a nice entertainment system, not a lot of reason to go for more - in the times I've peeked, 1st class gets the same food, same beverages, and my service in business is fine. I expect the new 3 classes to be business, coach, and an in between roughly equal to US domestic business class (though the in between might die).

  • @NeonSamurai4381
    @NeonSamurai4381 2 года назад +871

    If you're gonna remove first class then include more business class seats instead of making the aircraft more economy heavy. Business class is still popular with travellers and will pull in far more money than the heavily discounted cheap seats.

    • @wizardystaff
      @wizardystaff 2 года назад +49

      But I only flight super promo discount economy seat with long layover

    • @Daimando
      @Daimando 2 года назад +11

      Imagine what would happen if Business Class disappeared from airlines for good.

    • @PlaySA
      @PlaySA 2 года назад +38

      Good thing you're here to tell the airlines something they definitely haven't studied and debated constantly!

    • @gravityg657
      @gravityg657 2 года назад +7

      Na fck rich people

    • @vizzini2510
      @vizzini2510 2 года назад +7

      @@gravityg657 Class envy is a toxic emotion. Enjoy your ride back in cattle class.

  • @PortugalHolidayVillas
    @PortugalHolidayVillas 2 года назад +873

    The new first class will be private aviation

    • @theafrican3752
      @theafrican3752 2 года назад +31

      Uber Air

    • @amazingabby25
      @amazingabby25 2 года назад +2

      Stuff like JSX, basically

    • @MLGeorge
      @MLGeorge 2 года назад +16

      Not if we want to even act like we're controlling emissions.

    • @erikstorm8935
      @erikstorm8935 2 года назад +13

      @@MLGeorge Tell that to all the left-wing elites who say one thing and do another. So many of them fly private, its not even funny. Back in the day it was many Religious Right politicians saying theyre for family values, but then cheating on their spouses. Now its many pro-environmentalist politicians saying we need to "save the planet", but choosing to fly private. I hate hypocrites of any political stripes (and yeah I know many Religious Right hypocrites still exist).

    • @MLGeorge
      @MLGeorge 2 года назад +19

      @@erikstorm8935 actually no, I'm sure democrats do, but could you find me an example of an environmental lobby leader doing that? Because most of them sail or use rail to travel, it's just right wing propoganda saying they don't because dems fly, but democrats aren't left wing.

  • @wyw201
    @wyw201 2 года назад +171

    I used to fly business for work, now I connect through Microsoft Teams hahaha

    • @koiz_353
      @koiz_353 2 года назад

      What job do u do ? I wanna be rich too

    • @wyw201
      @wyw201 2 года назад

      @@koiz_353What level of wealth is considered “rich” for you and realistically when do you think you can obtain it.

    • @koiz_353
      @koiz_353 2 года назад

      @@wyw201 I think I can be rich rich at 30 like a 50 million+ sorta rich

    • @wyw201
      @wyw201 2 года назад

      @@koiz_353 To accomplish that you'll have to IPO before 30

    • @carbon1255
      @carbon1255 2 года назад +6

      @@koiz_353 it's no use, you'd have to be more than just good at something. That kind of wealth you're born into and its hard enough even to maintain.

  • @arashalya
    @arashalya 2 года назад +252

    Malaysia Airlines' solution to this is putting just one row of First Class seats and changing its name to 'Business Suites' for (1) the Malaysian royal family members still prefer First Class and (2) businessmen can leverage the name change to make it seem like they're flying Business while they're actually flying First (for claim purposes).

  • @DanKhooProductions
    @DanKhooProductions 2 года назад +338

    i didn't ask for this but thanks for letting me know youtube!

  • @takashitamagawa5881
    @takashitamagawa5881 2 года назад +358

    The gist of the matter seems to be that the airline industry is trending back towards two classes of travel. That's the way it was for decades of air travel, until "business class" was introduced as a compromise between the declining service in coach following airline deregulation and the much more expensive first class.

    • @fatdoi003
      @fatdoi003 2 года назад +7

      premium economy also very popular as well

    • @dkennell998
      @dkennell998 2 года назад +3

      TY for saving me 15 min

    • @beneyweneys
      @beneyweneys 2 года назад +4

      Premium Economy is being introduced by plenty of airlines to fill the increasing gap, just like Business a few decades ago. Its a cycle

  • @yoda5565
    @yoda5565 2 года назад +45

    During my 20 year career in international business I flew "first class" often, mostly as an upgrade form business with air miles. It has been my experience that: A. I slept through most of it. (a flat sleeper seat is all you need) B. The definition of first class form airline to airline varies, BA had great seats, Lufthansa, great food and they give you a fresh rose, Air France...well it's France, you gotta be into wine. Lastly; C. You can build all the first class lounges you want (at Heathrow you can get your suit pressed while you shower) however as one fellow traveler put it..."the airport is the great equalizer".

  • @carlfromtheoc1788
    @carlfromtheoc1788 2 года назад +26

    Yes, the gross revenue may make sense, but once you factor in all the costs associated with first class - meals, service, special lounges and staff, etc. those economy seats probably result in more NET revenue for the airline - especially once you add in luggage fees and fees to choose a seat.

    • @chuckschillingvideos
      @chuckschillingvideos Год назад +1

      That's true, but from the airlines' perspective all their looking at is the fact that first class is almost never fully booked at full price whereas the other seats are.

  • @KanishQQuotes
    @KanishQQuotes 2 года назад +24

    I think business class is amazing. I have travelled first class (my credit card points) the novelty wears out quick and no matter how fancy it is, it is just something that looks nice on brochures

    • @maxpowr90
      @maxpowr90 2 года назад +9

      It's like a penthouse in a hotel. Unless you plan on spending all day in it, it's a complete waste of money compared to a lesser suite.

  • @m.m.2310
    @m.m.2310 2 года назад +109

    I'm only 5"2 and sleep with my knees under my chin, they could put me in the overhead bin for the right price.

  • @devanmarie
    @devanmarie 2 года назад +82

    US domestic flights first class is a joke. The benefits are in no way worth double the price so I don't get why anyone would pay for those seats if it's not covered by their work.

    • @cheyenneOpheliabutler
      @cheyenneOpheliabutler 2 года назад +4

      Not if you have multiple luggage’s. Domestic first class lets you have 2 bags free. Extra bag fees are $70-100+ more.

    • @KyzylReap
      @KyzylReap 2 года назад +2

      I fly domestic first due to physical limitations that make economy an actual, real pain.

    • @icecreammanwanab
      @icecreammanwanab 2 года назад +4

      I'd venture to say that most of the people filling those seats are frequent fliers who have been upgraded to them for free. I've never paid for domestic 1st, but fly it 10+ times a year on Delta through automatic upgrades.

    • @vizzini2510
      @vizzini2510 2 года назад +2

      Apparently, you have never flown Euro-Biz, which is just an economy seat with the middle seat left empty. Also, unless you are flying last minute, a first class domestic seat rarely costs double an economy seat. The airlines have picked the price point where they can actually sell the F seat, instead of giving a free upgrade to an elite member. I just flew DEN-IAH in F for $296, compared to $220 in Y. That was a no-brainer. Better still, they are using an international 777-200 on that route, so we got lie flat seats. Of course, by the time of our flight, the F seat had jumped to $700+, but with a little advance planning, you can fly domestic F for just a modest premium.

    • @AJ-bi6ns
      @AJ-bi6ns 2 года назад +1

      If you need extra legroom and book travel ahead of time it’s often not much between First and Premium Economy. Especially when you factor in baggage fees. Plus you get dedicated check in, security lanes and boarding. Sure, it’s really a business class product. But it usually isn’t that much more expensive… The extra ability to recline properly and seat width makes sleeping much easier too

  • @maxim29672
    @maxim29672 2 года назад +60

    people who has money can fly private , a lot of options there. It removes inconveniences of having youtubers who want to eat caviar as a neighbours in the first class.

    • @randomguy4989
      @randomguy4989 2 года назад +31

      Imagine paying $10 000 or whatever in your flight and then comes some 19 year old teenager "yo yo yo, today I am presenting you this AMAZING First Class ticket, but first a word from our sponsor of Today's video and a special thank to my patreons, it is YOU who are making this possible dawg and..."

    • @sarahk.6115
      @sarahk.6115 2 года назад +3

      haha I just came from watching that on Lufthansa ruclips.net/video/YD-HSifUN2I/видео.html

    • @jeremiahsmith916
      @jeremiahsmith916 2 года назад +7

      Honestly, if I paid a full price of first class in hopes of having a really comfortable flight and the person next to me suddenly started to film a vlog, I would turn on full jerk mode and demand security to cut that shit off. People nowadays have lost all sense of what’s appropriate in a public space and what’s not.

    • @issygaming2058
      @issygaming2058 2 года назад +5

      @@jeremiahsmith916 ok boomer

    • @jeremiahsmith916
      @jeremiahsmith916 2 года назад +2

      ISSY GAMING I’m literally 28. I just don’t see the value in filming oneself doing mundane things for validation from strangers online 🤷‍♂️

  • @gusy629
    @gusy629 2 года назад +139

    I don't need First Class. All I need is a seat that I can stretch my legs and fly comfortability.

  • @elenabob4953
    @elenabob4953 2 года назад +41

    Directors fly with their directorial team and at that price, flying in a private jet is more convenient because you can travel whenever you want and maybe the price is lower.

    • @TheRandomMaori
      @TheRandomMaori 2 года назад +5

      Having owned my own plane for work and personal reasons pre-covid I can tell you unless you're flying almost every week it's prohibitively expensive as you not only have to pay for the fuelling, maintenance and storage (hanger) costs you also have to pay hefty airport fees as well as having to have your own flight crew on payroll. Also the bigger the plane the higher the cost. The pandemic made the cost/benefit ratio completely untenable.

    • @chuckschillingvideos
      @chuckschillingvideos Год назад

      @@TheRandomMaori Do you honestly think that the BOD's of big companies give the costs of their corporate travel a second thought? I can assure you they don't. What matters to them is convenience, luxury and prestige and that's it.

  • @ericpetersen8155
    @ericpetersen8155 2 года назад +163

    As long as I have a lay flat, don’t matter what they call it.
    Glad to be back in the air, was a long time to be “grounded”
    Best
    Eric :)

    • @siahsargus2013
      @siahsargus2013 2 года назад

      What do you do for work, I’m curious?

    • @ericpetersen8155
      @ericpetersen8155 2 года назад +3

      @@siahsargus2013 develop Realestate and own income properties.

  • @G-546
    @G-546 2 года назад +64

    The reason why San Francisco isn’t on the first class list is because United decided that instead of getting the A380 and putting first class on it they would prefer to fly 2 787s or 2 777s a day. The two frequencies helps them get a lot of business passengers.

    • @frankchan4272
      @frankchan4272 2 года назад +7

      Also many of rich in the SF Bay Area use private jets (fractional ownership, charter, etc) to fly out of Oakland or San Jose skipping the airlines.

    • @G-546
      @G-546 2 года назад +4

      @@frankchan4272 the SF Bay Area doesn’t have as much ultra rich people as some would think and yes the ones who are super rich fly private. I think that if United wanted to bring back first class they would put it on planes flying from Los Angles instead because although it’s a smaller hub it has more local demand.

    • @chedelirio6984
      @chedelirio6984 2 года назад +5

      Plus I suppose many of the execs in Big Tech who are not flush enough for private (own, charter, fractional) are not the kind of person who wants/needs that level of excessive ultraluxury

    • @amazingabby25
      @amazingabby25 2 года назад

      G 546 yes but there are lot of people in the 500k-1.2 Mil year, and they all fly things like JSX or hire private Jets, except for international

    • @erikstorm8935
      @erikstorm8935 2 года назад +1

      ​@@chedelirio6984 Big Tech execs are no different from any other execs except they dress more casual lol. Even Zuckerburg has an exclusive home on Lake Tahoe, nestled away from all the plebs. Dont let their "average joe' persona fool you.

  • @Jace888
    @Jace888 2 года назад +53

    So economy class is covered by bargain hunters, and business are for business people. That’s the future. Normally first classes are moving to private jets anyway.

    • @da4127
      @da4127 2 года назад +1

      @Alex Alex not true, private jets can cross the Atlantic. The only thing is that it is less comfortable to travel in one than in a bigger plane. Also, you don't need to own the whole plane, you can hire one momentarily, it's not that uncommon.

    • @RayJorg
      @RayJorg 2 года назад +1

      ​@Alex Alex I know any number of people who fly private on a regular basis and they are virtually all like "NO WAY" to the idea of flying private on an intercontinental route (too bouncy and generally dicey). The other commenters on here seem to sound like you somehow magically manage to skip customs/immigration, which is not true. You typically go through it at the private terminal, but that can present significant problems, too. ... OK, so I looked up the numbers- one of the 'bargain' cards the big talkers here are referring to requires a minimum 'buy' of $2,175,000. To put that into perspective, my friend Mark can (and does) spend several months in one of the duplex suites on the QM2 for $600,000.

  • @1MrBryn
    @1MrBryn 2 года назад +33

    To be fair, just because they call it suite class or premium business, it's still basically first class.

  • @pilot_howie237
    @pilot_howie237 2 года назад +15

    Personally, I think if first class was to remain, it’d have to be at a Singapore a380 suite level with ability to have a double bed with a partner or with lots of space. First class needs to have a revamp to stay alive like BA did with introducing lie flat beds in Business.

  • @cbyao3564
    @cbyao3564 2 года назад +109

    I remember flying when it was just first class and economy. Most people who flew first class then at least in my part of the world were expats. But when Bus. Class was introduced, companies became less willing to pay First class prices. Also as you pointed out, the advent of lie flat bus class meant that first class lost its most distinctive advantage vs the early versions of bus. class. One more thing, with First Class being 10k per person on long haul routes, if you were a party of 2 - 4 people, it's probably better to either pay the same or a bit more with something like a Netjets subscription which gives you all the advantages of flying private including not having to follow the airline's schedule

    • @1SCme
      @1SCme 2 года назад +8

      It is easy to justify business class: On vacation I can leave after work, fly overnight while sleeping, arrive rested and well fed, drop my bags at the hotel, and begin sightseeing, gaining another vacation day for the cost of hotel and food. For work I can do the same, start in immediately, gaining my employer another billable day for the cost of OT (I worked field service).
      These justifications aren't there for the added bump to 1st class.

    • @dailyrant4068
      @dailyrant4068 2 года назад +4

      @@1SCme Agreed, plus most business class tickets are covered by the business for work travel. Far fewer people out right buy tickets. Private consumers might upgrade or use points for them, especially if they travel for work often it's easy to get enough points.

    • @Arcaryon
      @Arcaryon 2 года назад +1

      I assume by expats you mean immigrants who are wealthy enough to demand to not be called immigrants.

    • @1SCme
      @1SCme 2 года назад +1

      @@Arcaryon Nope, *your low comprehension on display,* _expatriate_ and/or _immigrant_ doesn't mean what you think it means - they are not synonyms.

    • @Arcaryon
      @Arcaryon 2 года назад

      @@1SCme And not being part of a countries full citizenship is laughable for if you can live and work there, you are practically a lesser citizen, hack, you probably already pay specific taxes on local goods and unlike a tourist, you literally live there like a normal citizen in your position would. Sure, you may have different friend circles but the idea behind this definition seems to quite literally be to try and verbally distance oneself from normal immigrants. As an immigrant. It’s a subcategory of immigration at best and certainly never an entirely different thing.

  • @Akislav1990
    @Akislav1990 2 года назад +28

    The Lufthansa first class lounge is also accesible by Business travellers who have the HON circle status. Even if there isn't a single flight operating with a first class cabin, there will be still eligible passengers present to enter the lounge.

  • @HappyDuude
    @HappyDuude 2 года назад +20

    SF is an outlier as tech can be surprisingly stingy on flight caps. However given the extreme wealth, you also have far more fully private jets, which would squeeze first class from the other direction.

  • @tjpowers88
    @tjpowers88 2 года назад +4

    This reminds me of this flight I took from Santiago to Dallas, I was sitting down and before take off I was accused of taking this man’s “sleeper seat” 7F or something, and was even cussed out by him, only for the stewardess offer to switch seats with him, she nodded while asking “please”, but my father was in the seat next to me so I was adamant I was in the right seat. Well the stewardess was trying to play it cool but turns out this man was in 7F First Class sleepers, as I was in business class. The fact he could not tell first class from business was astonishing as he must’ve been a veteran flier. Turns out I missed nothing I would’ve had I taken his seat, we had champagne and/or OJ pre-flight, so all this was happening while trying to enjoy my mimosa. I rarely drink, just mainly on flights and vacation. I agree with most that business is just as well as first, it was 4 people to one bathroom, and spacious as it handicap accessible.

  • @ariellemcbroom7691
    @ariellemcbroom7691 2 года назад +79

    Why is it so sad that first class is getting phased out? Getting rid of those seats mean there are more room on a plane for normal people. It's a good thing.

    • @kimquim2803
      @kimquim2803 2 года назад +6

      Holding onto luxury I guess 🤷🏻‍♀️

    • @kurtpunchesthings2411
      @kurtpunchesthings2411 2 года назад +1

      And maybe seat prices might go down a bit hell even 20-50 bucks on average would be so nice

    • @vizzini2510
      @vizzini2510 2 года назад +7

      Your class envy aside, did you even watch this video?

    • @wildbikerbill6530
      @wildbikerbill6530 2 года назад +5

      Correction: Getting rid of those seats means there is room on a plane for more normal people.

    • @bmuseo
      @bmuseo 2 года назад +1

      It also means there will be more weight on the plane and more luggage. As a result, they will charge economy more to carry-on luggage &/or to check. It has positive and negative effects. Personally, I won’t pay for first as much as I would like it. It’s out of my budget. But, I would appreciate my knees not being in the back of the seat in front of me or neighbors elbows in my side. If you have a window seat, it would be great if there was enough room to get past the other people without having to be an acrobat or gymnast.
      Your dream for lower prices is doomed I’m afraid. The prices will only increase. Next, they will make us stand while flying so they can fit a few more.

  • @chasefromalabama
    @chasefromalabama 2 года назад +79

    As long as I have at least Business Class, I'm fine. I'll admit it - I'm fat. When I fly, I have to fly Business or First Class just to fit semi comfortably in the seat. If I flew Coach/Economy, I generally have to buy two tickets, and still stuck in an uncomfortable seat.

    • @GookSquadGaming
      @GookSquadGaming 2 года назад +28

      It’s good to know you admit it

    • @adambomb30
      @adambomb30 2 года назад +15

      Thank you for being honest!

    • @lql1094
      @lql1094 2 года назад +1

      You could have left out, "I'll admit it," and simply said you're fat.🤔🤔🤔

    • @Bones.x
      @Bones.x 2 года назад +13

      Thanks for doing this and knowing that you can't fit in economy. I had to change seats because someone was pretty much sitting on my lap cause they were in the middle seat and so big and they smelled too. I shouldn't have to pack up my shit and ask for a different seat, they should have asked for it.

    • @CEWThree
      @CEWThree 2 года назад +2

      Have you tried economy plus? On a lot of airlines, those seats are a bit wider. There was a period in my life when I weighed 300 lbs and when I flew economy plus I was consistently comfortable.

  • @Stranman
    @Stranman 2 года назад +1

    Somehow this semi retired, broadcasting, travel enthusiast has just found your channel. It is now subscribed to.
    I realise that so much work goes into the graphics so that hasn't gone unnoticed.
    Looking forward to checking out the back catalogue and upcoming videos.

  • @Zveebo
    @Zveebo 2 года назад +23

    Great video, Dan. The other point that is important is the *cost* of delivering first class services - to do it well it is very expensive, so revenue alone is deceptive when comparing with economy or business. Sadly all the miles-hunters in first are quite the burden on airlines when you take the costs into account 😅

  • @Sacto1654
    @Sacto1654 2 года назад +20

    What's going to happen is that Business class seats will get even better and we'll see more revolutionary changes in Economy class seating over the next several years. Thompson Aero's _Cozy Suite_ for Economy class could become common.

  • @abbiealverez2960
    @abbiealverez2960 2 года назад +23

    I've been saying this for years..now cinema theatre standard seats are like gold class for the same price. Make all the seats business class and charge a little bit more and everyone will be happy otherwise who has that much money? An airline revolution needs to come to accommodate the people. Flying should be comfortable and affordable, it's 2021 get with it.

    • @ImSimplyAHuman
      @ImSimplyAHuman 2 года назад +7

      I agree. The whole process of flying sucks so much now that it’s worse than public transportation.

    • @kurtpunchesthings2411
      @kurtpunchesthings2411 2 года назад +2

      @@ImSimplyAHuman in a way flying is not supposed to be fun regardless of your seat your still in a small metal tube that will take hours to get wherever and before you know it your already at the destination

    • @xela6349
      @xela6349 2 года назад +1

      well, you also need to actually pay the crew and the fuel of the aircraft. And that's a very expensive thing to do.

  • @ChrisZoomER
    @ChrisZoomER 2 года назад +5

    Yeah I've noticed that long range jets are switching from three classes to two classes and the lie flat seats that used to be called "first" are now called "business" on most international routes. I noticed it starting to happen in the late 2000s and early 2010s.

  • @theanonymousaviationlover2677
    @theanonymousaviationlover2677 2 года назад +18

    First class is basically more expensive than business class and the experience between the 2 classes is minor. Essentially business is similar to first class but with less space and less food but way cheaper than first class.

  • @p.edwinnibbles5833
    @p.edwinnibbles5833 2 года назад +4

    Fascinating. I've been looking at flights from New York to Paris, and many of the lines are economy, premium economy and business class. And, the price differences are huge. Thanks for this descriptive video.

  • @mners87
    @mners87 2 года назад +7

    great content as always! honestly surprised true intercontinental first didn't die even pre covid. did a bachelor party in NOLA with 9 guys, we were all looking to fly domestic first and cover the groom for an all out experience (right before covid). It was cheaper for us to charter a private jet out of Teterboro vs paying for domestic first UA or AA.

  • @jstar7774
    @jstar7774 2 года назад +4

    Your content is so good Dan 👍 Love this comprehensive analysis. So well thought out and structured

  • @carolinetaylor5594
    @carolinetaylor5594 Год назад +3

    As someone who was lucky enough to fly First Class on both the Dreamliner and A380 on Eithad before the pandemic, I am glad they are bringing some A380's back into the sky.

  • @oreospeedwaggindoesamerica6078
    @oreospeedwaggindoesamerica6078 2 года назад +16

    I’ve never been able to fly First Class and only Business so never really thought about all this.

  • @MyThemeParkFanatic
    @MyThemeParkFanatic 2 года назад +10

    Love your content Dan, keep up the great work! 🙂👍👏

  • @Ryfael
    @Ryfael 2 года назад +2

    Dude, you keep going round and round on this video. I'll watch another before deciding to subscribe.

  • @chadphx
    @chadphx Год назад

    Thank you for the informative video!

  • @Maxq1
    @Maxq1 2 года назад +172

    Regardless of class, everyone takes off and lands at the same time.

    • @Kiyamlol
      @Kiyamlol 2 года назад +16

      cheesy

    • @erikstorm8935
      @erikstorm8935 2 года назад +8

      Thats what they want you to think!
      dun Dun DUN!

    • @user-mk3do3ow8l
      @user-mk3do3ow8l 2 года назад +14

      Not really,if you charter a private jet,you can cut most of the waiting time and security check queue time.It is more efficient than buying a first class ticket.

    • @ojon12389
      @ojon12389 2 года назад +14

      It's almost as if the type of class determines the level of comfort and service.

    • @stevencoardvenice
      @stevencoardvenice 2 года назад +4

      More money to spend on hotel and pArtying for me

  • @awesomeadamfrom2099
    @awesomeadamfrom2099 2 года назад +3

    Awesome job dan fly safe

  • @reedsehon4881
    @reedsehon4881 2 года назад

    Congrats! Great Video. Very informative.

  • @janbartos4731
    @janbartos4731 2 года назад +1

    thank you for this video, learned a few new things.

  • @michae8jackson378
    @michae8jackson378 2 года назад +4

    I agree w all that you said. Let me add another factor. Wealthy have more and more moved to private/charter aircraft. Especially w the pandemic, after the airlines shut down, charter/private aircraft travel increased dramatically! The pilot shortage was non existent, in fact, charters were hiring like crazy the whole time!
    I’m retired airline and I teach Cessna Citation X, fastest biz jet. My brother flies for Delta and was furloughed….charters just grew!
    So filling those First Class seats will be harder still!

  • @simonmanning619
    @simonmanning619 2 года назад +12

    That ad transition was pretty smooth i gotta say

  • @pavelow235
    @pavelow235 2 года назад

    Interesting theories put forth, I'm glad you took the time to produce this content.

  • @charlesjtwhite
    @charlesjtwhite 2 года назад +1

    Great production quality, the editing is on point!

  • @nop2682
    @nop2682 2 года назад +14

    7:17 look at that proud Ryanair plane at the boarding bridge

  • @claymusic2205
    @claymusic2205 2 года назад +32

    Short answer:
    Theoretically yes, filling an entire airplane with first class seats makes more money.
    But the airline will lose a lot of customers if they do that. Economy might not bring money but they bring marketing and awareness.
    Image if only a handful of people flew the airlines. No one would even be familiar with that airlines and most seats would be empty. Thats why economy is just there to attract people and then business makes the real money.

    • @skylineXpert
      @skylineXpert 2 года назад +1

      Some airline gets 50% of their transatlantic revenue on the more expensive seats

  • @lmaooo7629
    @lmaooo7629 2 года назад

    Wow great efforts taken to make this video! really appreciate it!!

  • @annecy49
    @annecy49 2 года назад +2

    Are you getting better and better? I really appreciate your in-depth analysis. You deserve a million subscribers!

  • @GregMoress
    @GregMoress 2 года назад +43

    Drop two Valiums, then wake up there. For me that's way better than first class and it only costs about $1.
    No matter how you brand First Class -- it's still a tiny noisy studio apartment. So just sedate me.

    • @sidjt
      @sidjt 2 года назад +9

      Yeah I assume you've never flown First class

    • @kurtpunchesthings2411
      @kurtpunchesthings2411 2 года назад +1

      @@sidjt tbh he is on to something here

    • @beneyweneys
      @beneyweneys 2 года назад +1

      That... is surprisingly genius.

    • @susie2251
      @susie2251 2 года назад

      I would be crippled doing that and down for a couple of days of my trip. Or worse, dead with a blood clot.

    • @victoriawinters2468
      @victoriawinters2468 2 года назад +1

      I think it's disturbing that so many people board planes in pajamas with pillows on 3 hour flights. In my experience, more people treat flights like it's their living room then people do on greyhound or Megabus.

  • @gelinrefira
    @gelinrefira 2 года назад +28

    I love the fact that the First Class is eating itself out of existence. It's like a reverse "let them eat cake." I am not sad that the class is disappearing.

  • @kylegarcia5016
    @kylegarcia5016 2 года назад +1

    These analysis type videos are great, Dan.

  • @dengony
    @dengony 2 года назад +2

    I love this video; great breakdown.

  • @JonathanStanley
    @JonathanStanley 2 года назад +10

    I thought Qatar Executive getting a massive delivery of Gulfstream G700 hopefully next year, plus a hiring frenzy for those planes is the big giveaway... those able to pay full-fare 1st class on intercontinental flights, can now fly private on 14+ hour flights through companies like Qatar Executive, NetJets, etc

  • @Ananth8193
    @Ananth8193 2 года назад +3

    That's an amazing analysis of first class economics... Incredible video i love it

  • @maguro008
    @maguro008 2 года назад

    Great vid and analysis.

  • @pbilk
    @pbilk 2 года назад

    Thank you for this interesting video! 🙂

  • @anonymous-do5bs
    @anonymous-do5bs 2 года назад +15

    Your voice is super soothing. Gonna sleep now, goodnight 🥱

  • @RaitheaFilms
    @RaitheaFilms 2 года назад +31

    I've also seen other analysis where for many business class products the airline earns more per sq Ft for business class then they do for first class.

  • @irishinusa1615
    @irishinusa1615 2 года назад

    Great report. 👊👍 appreciated

  • @steve3ri
    @steve3ri 2 года назад +1

    Dan, another informative video. I never knew this. Thank you.

  • @evanputterill8286
    @evanputterill8286 2 года назад +17

    It isn't. They just have different names for it. First Class or Business Class is a huge money maker for airlines and is not going anywhere on long haul flights.

  • @turnerruma5977
    @turnerruma5977 2 года назад +3

    I flew on a 737 max 9 from KIAH to PANC and it was great

  • @zzzowie
    @zzzowie 2 года назад +1

    I really like your clear analyses, pace is also good, graphics great. Even though your background music is very soft, I prefer no background music while you talk

  • @susanolson3611
    @susanolson3611 2 года назад

    Thank you.

  • @creepydoll2872
    @creepydoll2872 2 года назад +9

    A tip! I see this mistake a lot when talking about USD, you write out amounts with the dollar sign ALWAYS first, then with a comma for the decimal points so instead of 45'000$ like you have it which is how you do it with currencies around the world but in the US we always will write: $45,000 I hope this helps anyone else who didn't know this. US always has to be the complicated one.

  • @hujanair2
    @hujanair2 2 года назад +5

    It's like im watching cnbc / the economist / wsj. Amazing content dan.

  • @ronaldboonstra4834
    @ronaldboonstra4834 2 года назад

    Nice vid again...thanks!

  • @a.marvincausey5352
    @a.marvincausey5352 2 года назад

    Interesting analysis. New sub, good stuff on this channel!

  • @shonen84
    @shonen84 2 года назад +5

    Always love your analysis videos, Dan. Thanks! Shame about first class - I’ll never experience it but it was nice to know it existed. Soon it will be gone I guess.

  • @taliew38
    @taliew38 Год назад +3

    Hey Dan, Great content, as always. Now that most of the world is moving on again, can we have an update on this topic post Lockdowns? Especially interested in an in-depth look at airlines' plans on First in all these new planes that are being slowly delivered. And do you think that inflation and possible flow on recessions may have a drastic impact on the top product?
    Also, have a look at how much Frequent Flyer programs earn their airline (if owned by the airline). It may seem that FF redemption costs the airline more, but if you give each point sold by the airline a monetary value, you will see that they actually recoup the costs and also builds the brand, locking most into one or another FF programme...

  • @matthewi8910
    @matthewi8910 2 года назад

    Great analysis Dan

  • @DanyCesc83
    @DanyCesc83 2 года назад +1

    It depends on the market in which they wanna target for those 1st class, in the states, we can rent a private jet for around 8k... and very few people have a need to fly to Dubai. Plus most executives get packages already within their contracts for certain airlines who offer discounts.

  • @wjatube
    @wjatube 2 года назад +8

    So if airlines now offer business class seating on-par with older 1st class AND they are now offering fist lounge access to business class passengers why don't they just call business class 'first class' and go back to just having two designations?
    In other words airlines reached the limits of what wealthy passengers are willing to pay and now they have to simply reel it back in.

    • @CristianGarcia-wk9hh
      @CristianGarcia-wk9hh 2 года назад

      They are basically taking away first class but making business class the same level as first class, and later down the line, the same price as first class. So, basically, theyre just making business first class...so why dont they just get rid of business class

  • @Davaldod
    @Davaldod 2 года назад +11

    Great analysis. Purely anecdotally... I've flown Lufty from LAX to FRA and MUC many times recently, always in Biz Class. Peeks into the First Class cabin revealed almost never more than half-full. If that. But Biz Class is always near-to-completely full. So yeah, why WOULDN'T Lufty add Biz Class seats on this route...?

    • @RayJorg
      @RayJorg 2 года назад

      It used to be that the entire 'points' thing developed loyal customers but it has turned into such a money pit the airlines would dump all of that if they could- and it looks like they are beginning to go that way, in fact the number of freebie-seekers in first waaaaay outnumber full-freight pax.

  • @stephenboster8925
    @stephenboster8925 2 года назад +2

    Bravo on the increased production values.. Impressive!

  • @MrStuartAllan
    @MrStuartAllan 2 года назад

    Great video, very informative

  • @lausimeyer6558
    @lausimeyer6558 2 года назад +6

    It's not that hard to explain. When revenue per squaremeter in first class is lower than in all other classes, it will disappear.

  • @davidschwartz5033
    @davidschwartz5033 2 года назад +3

    Another great effort, Dan. Well researched and presented. Thnx for the effort. Very sad to see first class go away. Without a doubt, first class is my guilty pleasure.

  • @shaz3r786
    @shaz3r786 2 года назад

    Really well done videography. Almost documentary like. Well done.

  • @markreed2041
    @markreed2041 2 года назад

    nice video very gud diction understood the narration thanks for the knowledge

  • @boedillard8807
    @boedillard8807 2 года назад +17

    I wouldn't fly more often if prices went up but I would fly more often if they offered 2 more inches of leg room and they had a separate zoned part of the plane for people with babies /children under 4 years old.

    • @ThisisFerrariKhan
      @ThisisFerrariKhan 2 года назад

      HORRIBLE analogy/reference 💩

    • @boedillard8807
      @boedillard8807 2 года назад

      @@ThisisFerrariKhan What analogy? Are you in the right comment?

  • @jupiterjames4201
    @jupiterjames4201 2 года назад +62

    wendover be like: the impossible logistics of first class seats

  • @Schifa09
    @Schifa09 2 года назад

    Love your videos!

  • @MatteoMariano
    @MatteoMariano 2 года назад

    Pulled out all the stops AGAIN Dan. Learnt loads as always❤️

    • @NonstopDan
      @NonstopDan  2 года назад

      Thanks so much for watching Matteo!

  • @CO84trucker
    @CO84trucker 2 года назад +14

    I heard that the CEO of an ultra low cost airline (Wizz Air I believe) condemned premium cabin seats as being bad for the environment and said all airlines should fly at max capacity to minimize carbon footprint.

    • @fockyerdod3r
      @fockyerdod3r 2 года назад +8

      Who cares about the environment. Especially when I'm flying from SE Asia to North America (Houston), the flight time is so long, it's not possible to get decent amount of rest in economy.

    • @johnguidetti5839
      @johnguidetti5839 2 года назад +12

      Who cares! If your worried that much about carbon footprint don’t fly.

    • @manaspongeog4620
      @manaspongeog4620 2 года назад +7

      If environmentalists get their way, then there isn't anything to worry about in relation to global travel. Commoners simply won't be allowed to travel in the ways we currently circumnavigate the globe. Petroleum based air travel will be limited to the globalist social elite. If you have to ask if that includes you, then the answer is probably "No". To quote George Carlin, "It's a big club, and you ain't in it."

    • @candicecart9786
      @candicecart9786 2 года назад +3

      @mamasponge so-called “environmentalists” are really elites who want to go back to the days of yore of serfdom - where everyone else lives like peasants in the dirt while they live like kings .... many of them fly private planes, live in giant mansions, sail on yachts, etc (hell look at al gore who’s mansion- just the one in Nashville, not including all his other mansions, expendsMORE THAN 20 TIMES that of an average AMERICAN household in energy alone (and only he and his wife live there 🙄🙄)- I stress American bc we live in a good country and energy is plentiful and ppl use it a lot... he wouldn’t even do the 1 hour of black out for the earth in Nashville 🤣🙄🙄🙄🙄... and surprise surprise he only flies in his private plane... ah yes all his lifestyle screams “environmentalist” ... not to mention he gets transported in gas guzzling suvs .... or heck look at Kerry who flew on a private plane from the USA to Iceland to claim his “environmental award” 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 the sheer irony and typical liberal BS do as I say not as I do)... I do believe in reducing carbon but many “environmentalists” don’t care they just want elites like themselves to feel more elite by having everyone else live like pieces of 💩

  • @MarioStingerPerpetualTraveller
    @MarioStingerPerpetualTraveller 2 года назад +20

    Just give me a flat seat and the lounge and I'm good.

    • @kurtpunchesthings2411
      @kurtpunchesthings2411 2 года назад

      A flat seat ha that'll be the day frankly my take on economy seats where I have always sat and will continue to do so I feel lucky to even be there in the first place

  • @josepinard30
    @josepinard30 2 года назад

    I have been watching your videos and I was wondering why first class was rarely mentioned. I understand much better now. Thank you!

  • @MC-di7op
    @MC-di7op 2 года назад

    i have two more first class flights booked. new york - frankfurt this summer (on a multi stop trip) and zürich-hong kong in about a year. im pretty sure that after that i won’t fly fc for a long time, especially when lufthansa introduce their new business class

  • @Sawickied
    @Sawickied 2 года назад +25

    In the US first class has always been business for the past couple decades

    • @KC73
      @KC73 2 года назад +7

      On some flights it’s just economy with free drinks and a soggy sandwich.

    • @ThexDynastxQueen
      @ThexDynastxQueen 2 года назад +2

      @@KC73 Yeah even on some cross country flights it's the same service as much shorter routes, it's insane honestly. Buying 2 seats for the space and even a checked bag can be less than Business/"First" and gets you nearly the same result sans priority boarding.
      US airlines are barely in the running here int'l or domestic and if I had to choose one US business class I'd pick JetBlue's Mint over AA, Delta and United.

  • @tomiesto240
    @tomiesto240 2 года назад +38

    I'm so triggered by his misplaced Dollar Sign $ and apostrophe usage in the prices

    • @corbin630
      @corbin630 2 года назад +3

      Same! Came to the comments just to see if that bothered anyone else.

    • @TyNeverLied
      @TyNeverLied 2 года назад

      Same.

    • @mufidazuhra5227
      @mufidazuhra5227 2 года назад +2

      he probably had problems when editing the numbers

    • @nevergonnarickrollyou9072
      @nevergonnarickrollyou9072 2 года назад +1

      Might be French, I’m not sure about ey he apostrophe tho

    • @creepydoll2872
      @creepydoll2872 2 года назад +2

      Instead of making a comment like this you could have been helpful and told him how to correct it. It bothered me too but instead I commented how to correct it. Not every country writes money amounts the way we do in the US.

  • @vivektulja4516
    @vivektulja4516 Год назад

    I have flown first class many, many times. Never paid for it. It was either using FF miles when I was traveling for personal reasons, or an upgrade from business class because business class was overbooked and I was a top tier frequent flier with a paid business class ticket.