The RZ 450e, the first Lexus with a dedicated BEV e-TNGA platform.
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- Опубликовано: 8 ноя 2024
- We put the 2023 Lexus RZ 450e up on the hoist.
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When doing hoist reviews, it would be nice if the initial shots showed the undercar aero shields fully installed so we could get a sense of how smooth and well-designed they are. A quick analysis of those panels would be nice too. Keep up the good work, guys.
I can't wait to see a tear-down of the drive-by-wire system! Great video, thank you!
Thanks!
You bet!
Thank you!
You're welcome!
Great video as usual. Big fan of that 2-post lift, safest in the market!!!! 😎
Thanks Erik!
Eric*
Thanks Kevin for your detailed hoist review.of the Lexus RZ 450e.
Some of us drive on the left in RHD. Just deal with it at design stage. Lean design=cheap, good design=works for all customers.
I like Kevin. He notices things others might miss. Unfortunately one has to translate the bloviated "corporate engineering speak" to try to figure out what he's saying about monuments to itself and themselves.
Looks rocksolid!
Wheels still fall off.....lol
Front end so hideous I'd expect HOAs to ban it and neighbors to toss rocks at it.
@@Mrbfgray Rocks are better looking!
@@isthatatesla 160 miles of range sucks too but can't road trip it anyway so OK city car if you have big enough sense of humor to be seen in the POS.
@@Mrbfgray - it's #2 contender after BMW gorilla but grille.
Nice... thank you
Welcome 😊
Need a real teardown like in the past. Its now only the outside of vehicles.
They only tear down the vehicles that are really worth bothering with. This ain't it.
We still have more videos of our Hyundai Ioniq 5 teardown coming soon!
I agree with this. This type of content seems very watered down and corporate compared to the Sandy content I subscribed to this channel for. I'm here because there was an industry expert who was not afraid to call out companies for doing stupid stuff. Here we have a Toyota platform that is pretty terrible compared to other auto makers, and yet we are getting this host who seems to be afraid to say anything negative about it - it sounds like a sponsored video to me. Personally, I would prefer less, higher quality content. This video screams "we had a quota to fill" to me.
@andrewcoffman2213
22 You are free to unsubscribe anytime. See ya!
@@andrewcoffman2213 You nailed it my friend. Totally agree.
Thanks so much for the tear down, great channel.
My hope is that Toyota/Lexus really focuses on BEV lineup.
And that they stop funding slowdown propaganda. They are spreading lies, just to make more money.
They don't care about global warming. It's unacceptable.
Don't hold your breath, 2028 onwards you can expect some real changes...
@@Timo-qb1gf yes, I agree. Toyota has been a disappointment to me and I can’t believe they went down this road. In many ways they sparked the EV revolution because the Prius is a car that dreams of being an EV. The next step was a plug and they begrudgingly “allowed “ that. The software in the PIP (plug-in-Prius) consistently caused me to regret my purchase and gave me the distinct impression that Toyota resented TOTAL EV technology and the customers that wanted them. They have betrayed my trust and my hope is that they have a change of heart because I am forever grateful for the wonderful cars they once built that protected my family and got me to work every day without fail.
The Japanese auto market is hellbent on going down with the OPEC ship with pure stubbornness. I can’t believe how blind an entire industry can be. Many innocent Japanese people are sadly going to pay the price.
Not everyone wants an EV.
@ 6806goats1 Yes, Toyota should keep slowing down the transition by spreading lies about EV's and global warming. I love it!
Good video
Thanks!
I had a Lexus for 5 years & loved it. It seems Toyota’s business model for Lexus (and itself) is to keep the new stuff out. They wait till new features to be tested by other OEMs in both tech & market expectance before they put it into there cars. Then they work on reliability and making sure their products last a long time. This works fine where there is little innovation and things are moving slowly. It’s tough when there is rapid innovation as it is today when the industry to moving to EVs.
I'm glad to see they are working on this. They'll progress where they need to too and to copy Tesla would be an infringement of manufacturing. I'll stay with my 2014 Lexus LS but good to know there are options to Tesla. The Tesla skateboard is a unique work of art but the rest leaves me wanting more.
The Tesla Model Y is pretty unique in it’s combination of horsepower, range, size and cargo capacity. However I’m not a fan of the single screen or the general minimalist design that strikes me as being about making things cheaper to produce. So, yeah it leaves me wanting too. I hoping they’ll make improvements, but I get the feeling it will probably be mostly more cost cutting when it comes to the physical features of the car. But if I thought I’d need to be fast charging a lot, it would be top of my list.
Eric is doing a great job. Y’all try to speak for 15 minutes straight with a camera in your face.
I never considered steer-by-wire from the perspective of parts commonality between right-hand-drive and left-hand-drive vehicles. It's an excellent point which I bet Toyota considered in making this Lexus.
Of course Toyota’s home market is right hand drive.
sandy should take a look at the sarb gripen.. cause they might like to like it when it’s gone…
It’s only the old Model S and X that are not being made in RHD anymore. They’re essentially old cars now and were never volume sellers.
Model 3 and Y are very much remaining in production for RHD markets, as will future new products.
Wut? You can still get all Tesla RHD.
@@rkan2 You can’t get the Plaids in RHD.
The bolts and other hardware visible around 16:50 appear slightly purple; is this just an effect of the camera light or some type of coating/material of the fasteners themselves?
they are actually purple. not sure what the coating is but yes purple.
Themselves
itself" ... get it right.
Get a BYD and take it apart. I'm really curious how good or bad the engineering is.
Based on dirt shown here, Sandy should direct each new MBA associate to power wash 5 undercarriages as part of training.
tnga is a chicken wrap !!! i cant even start ... :) :) :)
Thailand as well with right hand drive.
The word "itself" gives me nightmares now; I can't stop hearing it.
Itself, itself, itself
Neener, neener, neener.
I didn't understand his point about an 'open' and 'closed' front architecture. Can someone translate please?
Anyone playing the "themselves" drinking game?
We were.... 2 people died.
Toyota SQUID game
Hic!
Get down with yo bad self !
as well as many other fill words
The number of parts and welds in this... And it's just the undercarriage. "Future squeaks, rattles, and maintenance items..."
@@qewfsdsd65445 We own a Model Y. We've had Hondas, Nissans, Kia, and Toyotas. They were cheap and nice. The Y is without a doubt the best car we've ever had. Never had a Lexus. There's a lot of buttons and gages and such in there...
My thoughs are more bidirectional. In fading ICE world I used one car for everything. I'm afraid that I'll need a whole bunch of BEVs. One for commuting, one for towing my trailers for recreation utilities, one for weekly shopping tour and so on...
All cars will stay at my home most times to flaten the peaks in areal power grid.
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@andrewcoffman2213
22 Oh, you're a troll.
@@billstevens3796 Sorry, I'm just a bloddy "analoge native" and struggle still alot. My comment was intented as respond to one of the longer comments under this video.
PS: As almost reasonably prized AWD BEV with 1600 kg towing capacity I'm interested in tear down of *smart #1 Pulse* .
Easier to see which part if you have a laser pointer :).
Dang, that steering rack bolt has a ton of stickout. If that's representative, they could save 50lb with shorter bolts lol
Can't wait for the new ev-Ndenial platform featuring hydrogen fuel cell and solid state plugin self-charging tech. Check Toyota investor relations for further details.
😂🤣😂
Hydrogen FOOL cell 😂😂😂
@mark-ge8dr Found the Toyota PR employee.
Yeah, they'll have 750 miles range and charge in ten minutes. Reminds me of those TV antennas that have 600 miles of range, sell for $9.95
Too many acronyms, without explanation
The acronyms themselves?
As a Solterra owner, I’d love to see a tear down of the Solterra itself or the AWD bZ4X in order to see the compromises with the CATL battery pack in North America. The Lexus has the Panasonic battery that the FWD bZ gets and the rest of the global market gets in the bZ and Solterra. Panasonic pack charges 50% faster than the CATL pack
Speaking of “offensive strategy”, it might be revolutionary, but it looks like a snowblower, I wonder who was responsible of that offense?
That is one fugly front end.
Hey, come on I am from the Right-Hand Side world. Frankly I did not appreciate your comments about right hand drive vehicles which involves a lot more cost! If you can put the steering components on one side, then you can put the same components on the other side too, it all depends on your Ingenuity in design. Keep the TESLAs to the American market, if TESLA cannot design for the right-hand side vehicles! Remember the most inefficient ICE came from the USA.
Do the tires stay on? Would be interesting to go over the recall and if the changes that were made to fix it found their way into this one.
What a great walk through! Surprising that Elon / Tesla announced that they will no longer produce right hand drive vehicles.. I guess.. move the driver to the middle then.. best of both worlds.
Tesla aren't the only EV manufacturer, there are plenty of right hand drive EVs to choose from, just as good.
Tesla Semi
Mass market vehicles still RHD.
this vehicles biggest fault is range.
Due to an old design.
@@jamesvandamme7786Sure, but the battery is also pretty small. My impression is that people want at least 250 miles of range and Toyota was either unwilling to put a bigger battery in due to cost or was unable to put it in. I can’t believe that they really thought it was a good idea to put out a car that gets less than 200 miles of range on the top trim.
MUNRO live - NOPE, Toyota e- TNGA platform is NOT a dedicated BEV platform, it's still evidenced by the OUTDATED vehicle platform, it's INEFFICIENT and weighs too much.
Came here to say this. “e-tnga” is a lightly modified “TNGA/K” platform which is a ICE platform-it debuted with the 2016 Prius IIRC. The video title is technically correct a bit misleading. This platform is not a dedicated BEV platform. It’s a clunky “in a pinch” modification of an old gas platform for EV use. I don’t doubt Munro knows this, it’s just they characterized the video a bit weird.
Agreed, a fundamentally poor effort by a company that is looking more and more out of touch.
No point in recreating a new car when you know your company is going down anyways.
I can’t wait for your Tesla Cybertruck tear down. It’s going to be epic!
You forgot a lot of RHD countries. India (world's most populous nation), Indonesia (world's 4th most populous nation), Malaysia, Thailand, Pakistan (world's 5th most populous country), And 10 countries in Africa, (including South Africa, Uganda, Tanzania, Kenya) which contain another 300 million people, and rising so will soon be more people than the US (also Guyana+Suriname in South America). Overall about 2.5 billion people live in RHD countries, 1/3rd of the world population. OK many of those countries don't currently have high vehicle ownership levels, but they are all developing and collectively represent very large potential future markets. The idea that RHD is unimportant just illustrates a poor understanding of the world.
I agree with you. I am from Mauritius, a small island, an ex-British colony. I was pissed off by his remarks! It's this mentality why the Chinese have gained so much market share in every domain. I am from the Telco industry . . .
I believe that a third of the world’s population live in right hand drive countries.
Of course this does not mean a third of the world’s car market is right hand drive.
LHD and 110v madness should be phased out.
The front literally looks like the turtle on Finding Nemo... but why?
Because they copied The Big T.
lots of unexplained acronyms 😞
Come on guys.... you can't put lipstick on a pig and call it something else!! This is a BZ4X with its crap charging & dreadful range re-suited and re-badged.
With NON interchangeable parts probably.
This EV is brought to you by Exxon.
Too bad Munro has to waste their and our time on Toyota's half-hearted crap when there are so many great BEVs being produced by BYD, Nio, Xpeng, Zeekr, etc., etc.
Can't wait for these brands enter the USA and do what the Japanese ICE automakers did in the 70s...force American legacy automobile manufacturers to make higher quality products...in this case BEVs.
Biden is in the UAW's pocket and Trump hates commies, so forget it. Although BYD already has a plant in California, building buses.
I don't want a single Chinese car imported here. Let's do what Japan did, China's doing, and steal or buy the technology and make it ours.
I wish to ban the use of acronyms
Every industry has its jargon. Most Munro guys explain as they go.
Thanks for you response.
Elon said it best!
“Don’t use acronyms or nonsense words for objects, software or processes at Tesla. In general, anything that requires an explanation inhibits communication. We don’t want people to have to memorize a glossary just to function at Tesla.”
There is a very easy way to make BEVs considerably cheaper and more efficient
Have a modest battery say for example 20KWh BUT have the ability to rent a mobile battery pack (imagine 5 tesla power walls stacked on top of each other with two wheels and a hook) for the few days a year you need lots and lots of range
A 20KWh pack is one third the cost and size and weight of a 60KWh pack. You'd save in the region of 280kg on the battery pack alone and then becuase of this lower mass you can have a smaller motor (while achieving the same accelerating) smaller suspension smaller crumple zones smaller power electronics smaller on board charger etc etc. Say overall it saves 400kg
So a 1,600kg EV becomes a 1,200kg EV saving 25% of the mass of the vehicle making the vehicle more energy efficient so less to spend on electricity and less to spend on tiress and a chepaer vehcile so also less to insure etc
If this vehcile gets 6 miles per KWh thst would be 120 miles on-board and then go to a supercharger and rent the mobile battery for the days you meed 500 mile range
Also these mobile batteries when not in use can act as birtual power plants and earn money that way
Youd still be able to buy the 60KWh version but the 20KWh bersion would be some $10,000 cheaper to buy and then cheaper to fuel and insure
For amercians that earn $100,000 a year they might laugh at the motion as its only 1 months pay to upgrade to the full thing. But most of the rest of the world earn closer to $10,000 a year so its a years salary to upgrade and thats the difference between affordable or not
I’ve been driving EVs for 8 years. This is a GREAT idea.
I do about 10 long trips a year. I’d trailer extra juice for them.
Everyday driving, 120 miles is enough! LA to San Diego no problem!
@whodatcatt It would potentially make EVs cheaper than ICE cars today and then as the tech advances it would make EVs cheaper than ICE cars
Also I would offer these mobile battery packs as energy storage devises too. Let's say the pack is 50KWh x $300 = $15,000 so the consumer can buy one for their personal use as home energy storage and then use it as a mobile range extender for the few days a year they actually need lots of range
These would also lower the cost of super chargers as you don't need a mega grid connection a modest grid connection can charge these up overnight ready to rent out the next day etc
Plus it means a super charge would only take 1 min amd not degrade the onboard battery as a 'super charge' would mean just hooking one of these up
Plus if tesla adopted this idea they could very rapidly increase the capacity of existing super charger locations basically doubling or more as these can charge up slowly or over night without the need for additional grid capacity or additional infrastructure
So these would resolve the long lines on the few days a year everyone wants to use a super charger at the same time. Cars would be in and out in two mins
I think these could basically pay for themselves in things like charging for cheap at night and renting out for normal prices
Sounds like what NIO has been doing. 75 kWh basic model with options to temporarily swap to 100 kWh and soon 150 kWh batteries.
@@theolich4384 how is that at all similar?
There are a few flaws in your suggestion.
First, as you have pointed out, a smaller battery pack would offer less *energy* and thus less range, but it would likely also offer less *power* (that is, the rate at which energy can be transferred) and this would result in slower acceleration.
Second, you claim that a car with a 20KWh battery pack would save on weight, and this weight saving could result in the car making do with a smaller motor, smaller crumple zones, smaller suspension and so on. But when the battery capacity is increased to 60KWh via a rental battery, the small motor, small crumble zones and small suspension would suddenly become inadequate to cope with the added weight.
Third, Tesla's cost of manufacturing batteries is (I think) about $100/KWh (or less), so reducing the battery capability by 40KWh would reduce Tesla's manufacturing cost by about $4000. Add on, say, a 25% profit margin, and this means the 20KWh car would be $5,000 cheaper than a 60KWh car, so your estimate of it being $10,000 cheaper is wildly inaccurate. If instead of Tesla, you were thinking of another EV manufacturer who has a $200/KWh cost of batteries, then your $10,000 savings would be correct, but such an EV manufacturer is likely to be pricing their EVs at a much higher price than comparable Tesla models (unless they want to sell their EVs at a loss), so saving $10,000 on a more expensive vehicle still would not make the car as affordable as you would like it to be.
Fourth, Tesla has embraced structural battery packs, and some other EV manufacturers are following suit. Such battery packs are not easily replaceable, so there would be no option to replace a 20KWh battery pack with a 60KWh one.
The base price of Tesla's original car (the Roadster) in 2008 was $109K, and an inflation calculator suggests that is equivalent to about $154K in today's money. Today, the price of a base level Model 3 is $40,240 without any IRA incentives being applied, or $30,740 with the IRA and California incentives. I think some other states offer more significant incentives for buying an EV. The point is that Tesla has reduced the price of their base level car almost 4-fold in 15 years (and the price has been reduced more than 5-fold if you take the tax incentives into account). In another 2 years or so, Tesla aims to reduce the base-level price of its cars to about $25K (a 6-fold reduction compared to the base-level price of the Roadster). And assuming the IRA and state credits apply to the car, you will be able to buy it for significantly less than $20K. So one way to get a cheaper EV is simply to wait a few years.
An expert making excuses for a luxury car brand like Lexus (with all this stamped steel and pathetically low mileage) is not what we are here for. You guys can do better than this.
CHEAP STAMPED STEEL = RUST (planned obsolescence)
Sandy!
Your intelligence is showing!
I mean all the way around the World.
Example:
Elon had 587 million views
On one tweet!
It's not zero emissions if it emits ugly everywhere it goes.
Don't bother bracking that down - nobody is going to buy them.
I think I need to attend Harvard, for a refresher course, on Auto engineering terminology before I attempt, to listen to this again, in order to make any sense, out of it..! 🙄🙄🙄
Please wash the cars. It's not the first time that the hoist review is compromised by clay
I couldn't watch the whole video, sorry but the constant redundant use of the words "itself" and "themselves" is just way too annoying, of course maybe it's just me...
Lexus RZ- e is built unnecessary complex , with too many parts & process, and Fasteners.
I fully agree. The Japanese engineers need to follow the KISS principle.
3:55 - I don't know if I've ever seen a more ugly vehicle front end. Toyota should redesign the vehicle to run backwards and see if it looks any better from
the rear.
On a different note, Kevin, are you a nervous speaker? It sounds like your trying to speak fast without slowing or stopping for breath, followed by deep breaths or sigh...but not enough to fully recover your breath. It's something I've noticed since you've begun appearing with Munro...word phrases thatburst out in a staccato, machine-bullet patois. You clearly have strong engineering chops, but your delivery is, frankly, not a really pleasant listen. Better if you modeled Corey or Jordan or Karl or Sue as an example of easier listening.
And no, the RZ 450e is not comparable to a Model Y range. Not close.
I hope someone is funding Munro handsomely for investing time on this very poorly designed EV. It’s 7 years behind the competition in terms of range, charging speed, acceleration, and software. It’s a bz4x with window dressing. Only Lexus lovers will buy it.
This is what happens when there’s no marketing to analyze what customers really want. Also, far too much folly with hydrogen.
This is a BZ4X. Lexus is trying to put lipstick on a pig by using the Lexus branding.