0:50 Prime X570 P 10:41 TUF gaming Plus 15:25 Prime X570 Pro 16:28 Strix -F 24:00 rant about Strix -E and -F 30:30 Crosshair Hero 31:20 Crosshair Formula rant 41:49 Pro WS X570 ACE 51:18 Crosshair Impact 57:55 Strix I Gaming 1:00:50 Summary
@@willmoore1581 I want to buy this board to. In Europe this board cost 335€ and the hero is 425 or more. I think this is a great buy if the mosfets are the 60A ir3555.
Buildzoid, you should totally do a collab with R.A.I.S.O.N. Have you seen his insanely intricate, ultra detailed motherboard chart? It's a mobo geek's dream! docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wmsTYK9Z3-jUX5LGRoFnsZYZiW1pfiDZnKCjaXyzd1o/htmlview?usp=sharing&sle=true
@@owowowdhxbxgakwlcybwxsimcwx "onboard 10gb is usually some weird aquantia thing that not all OSes even have drivers for" what is the problem with aquantia?? for which OS do you don't get drivers? There are drivers for everything you can imagine: Windows (7,8,10), MacOS, Linux yep SFP+ is better than RJ45 but RJ45 is the most common one in the consumer market or have you ever seen a SFP+ on a laptop or a SFP+ to USB one? I can get a USB-C RJ45 5Gbit / 10Gbit network card and plug it into my laptop
The thing is, that's just a comfort option. Previously you needed an external EEPROM programmer and that's why older MB often provide a socketed BIOS chip instead of soldered. And this old school solution allows you to downgrade unlike some in-BIOS update features like Asus EZ Flash.
So basically just tell my Crosshair VII I love it a lot, and wait for them to fix the BIOS is what I got out of this. Thanks BZ, great video as always.
I'd love a similar video for Gigabyte and MSI boards. ;) Great material, thanks for the tons of useful info! Also I'd vote for a Hero vs. Master vs Ace comparison. They are the rational high-end parts under the ridiculous top stuff. That: "...but that would require innovative thinking which is something Asus run out of a couple of a years ago." -- phenomenal and sad the same time.
wow.. so glad i clicked on from GN to your personal channel :) After educating myself with ALL your X570 findings and comments, i WILL be able to chose wisely ( as long as RGB isn't clouding my judgement at the final end :p )
25:16 they listened to you here in Holland. the Strix-E has come down to € 280, and the Crosshair VII is still at it's hefty € 369 :) . On another note, 33:50 DAMN.. only the Formula board has 2 internal USB3 front headers in the ASUS series ( that is something i would like, but i will buy me a pcie addon card for that ;) ) while almost all other manufactures HAVE that standard. Asrock taichi misses the RTC alarm in the bios ( the only brand where you cannot set the days and time directly in the bios to power up and i let my pc after doing stuff at night power completely shutdown after finishing and powering up at 10 o'clock right before i step out of bed :p ) . If i had 699 to spare, i would go for FANLESS gigabyte anytime :)
The Prime Pro is probably the best/lowest priced option for anyone who wants a good board for vfio. it's pcie layout is ideal in that you can actually fill 4/5 slots with two gpus. it allows for 2x8 so you can get decent pcie speeds for both gpus for dual head usage, and it has two chipset slots open to add an extra usb card and ethernet nic to pass through. the cheapest x570 boards with dual ethernet are all $100 more than this board so having the space to add a second one which you can get a decent one for ~$15 makes it much better value. the other thing of note is this is one of the cheapest boards that has sata m.2 that runs from the cpu sata controller. this means that you get access to two onboard sata controllers allowing you to pass one whole controller through while using the other controller for host drive(s). all other boards in this price range and lower either have suboptimal x1 slot placements (read: all x1 slots are directly below an x16 slot) or only have one x16 cpu slot and one x16(x4) chipset slot or both. The next best option will be the asrock Taichi, and as has been stated in this series of videos no other $300 boards are really worth it compared to the taichi. once you go to $350 and up it doesn't seem to matter what you pick so long as you get one with dual ethernet
After watching all of your rambling videos, I boughtr the Strix X570-E at 330 USD because sadly the Crosshair VII Hero ( and Gigabyte X570 AORUS MASTER which was my second option) costs a freakin $460 in Japan ( And the Taichi costs $360 . Greedy distributors....). I could have bought one through Amazon.com for $390 after shipping and taxes but since I've had enough pain getting support for personally imported products in the past ( support in Japan really sucks if you don't buy from an official distributor ) I played safe. Anyway your vids really helped me and my friend ( he got the AORUS ELITE ) select our X570 boards. Thanks mate!
i dont know how 1 hour of watching passed like 10 mins, bro the information you provide is really really awesome and very useful, haven't seen anyone doing this and explaining things well based on a deep knowledge and experience. keep up the good work and thank you for taking the time to do these videos.
Strix E uses the same vcore vrm but with one less phase/twinstage as the crosshair VIII, it uses ASP1405I and 12 IR3555 for vcore instead of 14 IR3555 and it's 6+2 real phases instead of 7+1 It's not the same as TUF/Prime/strix-F
Still waiting for that Gamers Nexus video which GN was supposed to upload on Tuesday if I understood it correctly. On the previous generations AM4 motherboards for Zen2... On the topic of this video, I was a bit scared by what I saw in the latest JayzTwoCents video, ASUS has some crazy default voltages to the extend that a thermal shutdown was required while he used a 240 mm AIO.
@@surpriseblueviana3803 I speculate that Gamers Nexus holds it on the plank to have a video a bit later when he wants to take time off. That guy was tired during his reviews and he had typed a lot of text on those sheets which he showed. For me it doesn't matter that much given that Ryzen got a paper launch outside the big countries. I live in the Netherlands, you can only pre-order the CPU's and they increased the the price. It won't be before the 22nd of July that you can easily buy those CPU's. The small shops in the Netherlands and Belgium are at the bottom of the distribution chain because of the size of the market. I know this from a good source (marketing manager MSI Europe).
@@SpeedRebirth Thanks. I know but most of those shops don't deliver to the Netherlands. :( Caseking does but Caseking is quite expensive, in the case of AMD graphics cards Caseking can be a good option but outside that it doesn't help much. Take into account that we also need to pay around €20 for shipping, Caseking also uses 21% VAT for Dutch customers. As far as I understand foreign shops could use the VAT from their own country for foreign customers so it is unfortunate for us that Caseking chooses to charge the Dutch VAT which is 2 percent-point higher. I wish that Mindfactory would ship to other countries, then I would order all my hardware there. It is ridiculous that these days those borders still matter for that, isn't it? I might live closer to some of those German shops than to some of those Dutch shops (southeast of the Netherlands) and yet that border makes that I have to make do with the Dutch shops which are farther away. Why don't shops like MF and CK just open a branch in the Netherlands which uses the same supply chain?
Thank you so much for the great rant lol I was actually thinking about the X570 ROG Strix-F since i currently own the B450 ROG Strix-F with my Ryzen 5 2600X. But i will definitely go with the Asrock TAICHI as suggested when i will build my Ryzen 9 3900X probably at the end of this year. Really appreciated your in-depth ramble video
I went for the x470 Gaming Pro Carbon board. I felt i Didn't need the gen 4 as yet, and that is one solid board. (I've also gone for the 3900X for clarity)
I impulse bought the x570 -P but started to really question my purchase. I almost returned it and went for another cheap board but decided the -P should be good enough for me. Thanks for confirming that! Now I'm actually kind of happy with the purchase I made.
Heres some info on the impact Newegg did a stream on jul 8th going over all the asus motherboards in depth and the impact section at 1:54:35 on their stream has some really good info!
20 minutes in and I feel exactly the same way about this lineup as you do. Real good analysis. I am an Asus only kinda person, and the $249 board is what I want but the price of it leads me to look at something like Gigabyte or even Asrock. Only downside for those for me is the UEFI. I will be waiting for your reviews on those brands. And I refuse to buy MSI no matter how good they seem, I've seen too many die and go right in the garbage in my lifetime.
FYI: for that sort of plastic manufacturing, $5 would probably get you about 100 of those plastic things. If they use really cheap plastic it could be 10,000 (but I'm sure they don't use plastic that cheap).
Just want to add all that stuff you said was plastic on the formula board is actually aluminum and it has aluminum on the armor back as well and the nvme cover is all aluminum and has thermal pads to act as a heatsink.
This is what I'm waiting on. If they can get the single threaded performance to match my x299 with all of the cores. I'm switching. I wanted to get zen2 but it doesn't support quad channel memory :(
@@rulik006 lmao when I bought my setup zen2 didnt exist. so I don't have any buyers remorse especially after years of use. Also it still doesn't change the fact that there isn't any quad channel memory on Zen2🤦🏾♂️. Quad channel memory is like going from single channel to dual channel. It's a 15 to 20 percent increase in performance. I use my computer for rendering 3d and premiere but I play games too. Also.... I'm waiting on threadripper I'm good.
G'day Buildzoid, Thanks for doing all these Motherboard comparisons, although I could quite happily have you Rambling for 4hrs about motherboards I think splitting them into Manufacturers is a good Idea, Sooooo ASUS TUF or Crosshair Viii, looking forward to your other manufacturer reviews to see if I do get to a point of wanting X570 I can make an informed decision
I know this is fairly old, but the x570 boards will be on the top of the stack for another year with Zen 3 chips. So it's still very relevant. Be careful when considering pricing advise from Buildzoid. It may not be the same in your country. For instance, in Canada, the Strix E-gaming board is $385. The Crosshair Hero is $500. That's a big difference. In BZ's pricing they are only $30 different. For him it makes total sense to get the Hero for the $30 and enter the elite class of boards for almost nothing. But where I am building they have a HUGE price gap and the E-Gaming makes a lot of sense if you want a high quality board with pretty much everything (including Wifi 6, post code, lighting, flash back, and all 10GB USB ports, good VRM) except push button reset and power, but don't want to unload serious $$$. Happy building, and 2020 can suck it for all the parts shortages and inflated prices that come with it.
I think there's a mistake about the tuf-gaming-X570-plus, you mention the lack of usb 3 for front pannel. On asus site it specified 4X usb 2.0 port and 2x usb 3.2 port at mid-board
@@Tallnerdyguy even better board. Well, there I'm biased because I own one. The only thing that kind of sucks on the crosshair line up, those BIOS got so many features that boot time is really slow compared to cheaper one.
@@Natsumi666 Typically they have better audio quality and frequency range than the standard 2.0 or 5.1 computer speaker sets. Mine get much louder when I want them to, while also keeping the different parts of audio much clearer than my Logitech Z506 setup did. Also, they looks much more badass :p
Those clouds make me angry. Don't judge me! I'm the one telling them to go away so we have sunshine to enjoy with our Metamucil in the morning. You're welcome! 🤓
@Southeastern777 Go and research it for real. Look into "Owning the weather by 2025", published by the DOD. Look into "Operation Popeye" where the military used cloud seeding to wash out the Ho-Che-Min trail. Also look into Dr. Keith at Harvard bragging about using the exact same chemicals the "conspiracy theorists" have been saying they are spraying. Quite a "quinky-dink" huh?
I feel like ASUS "jebaited" me with that TUF Gaming. That was rumored to be a $170 board for the longest time. Guess they heard your praise, and jacked the price up.
@@lifemocker85 ouch. I know some stores are price gauging right now on Some stuff because of limited availability. I've seen 3900x go for 50% over MSRP.
Thank you for that video, was about to get the Crosshair formula, but luckily managed to change in time before they shipped my order, went for the gigabyte arous extreme instead, since it was on a nice discount.
@@alkaAdeluxx The difference between Hero and formula is also 200$ that's a 40% increase compared to the hero. That's not even close to the 100% he was talking about.
@@SpeedRebirth Sommarjobbar för tillfället och en vecka till, men sen tänker jag köpa r5 3700x och Asus x570 Hero, eller så köper jag ett billigare moderkort och corsair 1tb m.2 pcie 4
Am I missing something here doesn't the Strix X570-E have a Post code in your rambling you said it does not but the Hero does but I can clearly see the LED on the Strix X570-E.
Revisiting in preparation of 5900X Ryzen 9. I never anticipated myself to be on this day, an Intel guy forever turning to AMD for the first time in my life
The Formula "Is just a Hero with a bunch of useless crap on it!" Brother, thank you for that...you just persuaded me not to purchase a Formula!!!! Like button Obliterated!!!
I was all set to buy the Hero before realising it didn’t have enough USB headers to work with the Lian-Li O11 Dynamic XL. I was then set on the Formula but since EK don’t make a VRM bridge for the Crosshair version (like they do for the Maximus) I didn’t think watercooling it would look very good. So I looked at other reviews and listened to this one basically saying the Formula was pointless! I settled on the Gigabyte Aorus Master as it has enough USB headers and as a bonus, a third M.2 slot.
I don't know jack s**t about motherboards to be honest. I finished building my gaming PC about 6 months ago and I was looking at B550 and X570 mobos for my Ryzen 5600x and the only reason I ended up getting an ASUS X570-P was because I managed to get it used on Amazon for $69 bucks. And though it said used, the thing looked brand spanking new with a dinged up box. Ultimately, I'm glad to see that it's a pretty solid board all things considered, though there's so much technical jargon being tossed around in this video that I simply don't understand. I know how to find compatible parts and put things together but if someone was to ask me why they should be a Dark Hero vs an X570-P, I wouldn't know what to tell them other than, 'overclocking'.
The question I have (as I continue watching not sure if it was answered), are dual m.2 NVME drives still dropping PCI lane to half like it was with x470?
Not exactly...20 of the 44 pcie lanes come from x570, with an extra 8 available for nvme...if you were to use an nvme raid card in pcie slot, it would. Either way, you won't even saturate pcie4 x8 with current gpus
At least one m.2 should be off the X570 chipset. If you're only using pcie gen 3 ssds then you can fully utilize 2 of them running off the chipset, and another 1 off the cpu.
Can't wait for you to do Gigabyte. I was hopeful for the VIII, and while good I'd prefer 3 M.2 drives so the Gigabyte boards look really good. I also just love the look of the Aorus Extreme.
Unless your mother-in-law is an overclocker and you buying as a gift for her you should stay away from these boards. They've spent entire budget on a PCB and left nothing to properly setup bios. Its a nightmare of a board. With so many bugs you'd need a starship troopers to burn them. This board will put you in a such dark depression that even Stephen Kings books will look like a comedy in comparison. I've owned one. Now i'm traumatized for eternity.
In UK the Hero x570 goes for 430 $ (around) at least when the Strix x570-e goes for 310 $ (around) so this argument of buying the hero goes out of the door. In UK basically the strix-e is one of the best values compare to other motherboards if you value extras. (usb, lan etc) If not TUF like you said.
I have litterly never once in my life ever used wifi on a desktop computer. I'm baffled why someone would not just run an rj45. Now days when I build a new workstation at work it automatically gets a 10 gigabit lan card, hell my home server, workstation, and kids gaming rig all have 10 gigabit.
Few reasons to use wifi on a desktop: your house/flat don't provide Ethernet wiring and you can't do the work. For example, in a rented house/flat or an office where you need a cable passing through your whole living space. Your needs aren't quite ordinary with your workstation and NAS but I agree that on-board wifi isn't really relevant with this kind of chipset. And as said BZ: "You got PCIe expansion ports, use it."
@@PainterVierax you are correct I'm a unique use case but I'd still rather tack a cable along a baseboard. Funny story I rented a house for 2 years when I was younger. I wired the entire house for Ethernet with wall plates and everything the landlord never noticed.
@@narkoid The usual problem is not that you are not allowed to wire but that you're paying for something that should be financed by the owner because you add value to the rented place. Also you were lucky that it wasn't very visible. In many places it's hard to do without adding gutters, especially when wiring and pipes are walled in. (That's actually my case and it was a nightmare to just change the phone cable)
WS X570 LAN: Realtek RTL8117 is marketed as a Personal Could solution: "RTL 8117 can transform your home PC into a personal cloud server even in sleep mode. Support for Wake-on-WAN (RealWoW) technology"
Intel is hardware Lan controller. It is akin to Intel HD vs geforce / radeon. Only in reverse role. I don't do sound card. I put AV receiver before my screen and set sound to HDMI audio.
I've actually had great experience streaming with a netgear nighthawk and netgear modem with modern Intel Wi-Fi, I've not had a disconnect in 2years since upgrading.
@Lemmy wifi has a lot of flaws outside the chip and driver used or the antenna implementation, the environment could seriously ruin the usage and the fact that channels overlap each other is not helping. By design, Ethernet is more reliable on bandwidth and latency but as wifi tech evolves, the average consumer needs are more filled. I don't have issues when using several laptops with 8/9 y-old mPCIe cards and my 2015 mid-range smartphone is reliable and don't have any external antenna.
Thank you ASUS for including a PS/2 connector for my M series keyboard on your TUF gaming Plus. That is what got me from buying a Gigabyte Aorus Elite (no PS/2 connector).
Reason why some prices don't seem to have sense between each other is due dollar and USA pricing where many things don't make sense. If you swap newegg to some europe country you can see that in many cases difference between Strix E and Hero is ~100€ and not just 20$ apart out of many, so this is more of rambling about Asus prices in USA market. (Strix-E is ~350€ and Hero ~450€ here)
Some of these prices are definitely confusing. In Australia the ASUS line-up is a little less silly, but the mid-range is still crowded. The Strix F is AU$419, the Strix E is AU$489 and the Hero Wifi at AU$649. That gap makes the Strix E more valid, also the Formula is only AU$799, making the gap at the top much smaller and the OLED, WB and 5GB Lan more palatable.
To keep it simple; Realtek network; software stack Intel network; hardware stack. This is why Realtek network dies in the arse at random once a week, it still a thing to this day. Avoid Realtek network, or substitute with a NIC card, 10GBe if you’re keen. :)
Yes Realtek is absolute garbage with industry worst driver support. It is astonishing they are still for in business for years as bad as their products are. The only time I have ever seen driver real support on realtek devices is when it's rebadged and that company updates drivers.
@@Rugg-qk4pl That has nothing to do with Realtek's quality or usually lack there of. Some of their products work ok, others not so much, driver support is non existent from Realtek them selves but if you get a properly function network device from them and the motherboard maker provides and updates the drivers you will not have any issue. You just happen to be lucky.
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0:50 Prime X570 P
10:41 TUF gaming Plus
15:25 Prime X570 Pro
16:28 Strix -F
24:00 rant about Strix -E and -F
30:30 Crosshair Hero
31:20 Crosshair Formula rant
41:49 Pro WS X570 ACE
51:18 Crosshair Impact
57:55 Strix I Gaming
1:00:50 Summary
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"But that would require innovative thinking, which ASUS ran out of a couple years ago"
-Buidzoid 2019
Sebastian Krauthauser true story. Thank u buildzoid.
They just recycled everything from the Z390 boards.
Not true at all. They've expanded ROG into all sorts of areas like monitors, backpacks, and toilet paper holders
Brian B lol
@@BB-nn9en GOTTA USE THAT GAMER TOILET PAPER BRUHHHH
This is my favorite serialized Television show.
There's a mistake in the video the strix-e is a 6+2 phase not a 4+2. I still think it should be cheaper
And the mosfets? Are they IR3555?
Thanks
@@willmoore1581 I want to buy this board to.
In Europe this board cost 335€ and the hero is 425 or more.
I think this is a great buy if the mosfets are the 60A ir3555.
Buildzoid, you should totally do a collab with R.A.I.S.O.N. Have you seen his insanely intricate, ultra detailed motherboard chart? It's a mobo geek's dream!
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wmsTYK9Z3-jUX5LGRoFnsZYZiW1pfiDZnKCjaXyzd1o/htmlview?usp=sharing&sle=true
hey you should pin this comment so ppl see it
I got the E-gaming because I was not able to find the Hero at MSRP for 2 months. Cheapest I ever saw it was $450 US. Also Wi-fi is nice.
1 hour rambling video? theres the buildzoid i know.
"so... yeah" count: 862
Phone hits 5% battery life left, sees 1 hour buildzoid video.
*Wanna play a game?*
2x speed, low volume, auto captions.
Game. Won.
@@formdoggie5 you forgot to lower the brightness.
let's be honest, we would watch 4 hours straight of buildzoid talking about all motherboards
Can't believe $700 mb doesn't even have 10Gb LAN.
Where do you wana use that?
@@suoyidl2654 internal servers
@@suoyidl2654 sadly 10Gbit switches are damn expensive
can't believe a 700 dollar board doesn't come with 3 hundred dollar bills to make up for the useless features it has
@@owowowdhxbxgakwlcybwxsimcwx "onboard 10gb is usually some weird aquantia thing that not all OSes even have drivers for"
what is the problem with aquantia?? for which OS do you don't get drivers?
There are drivers for everything you can imagine: Windows (7,8,10), MacOS, Linux
yep SFP+ is better than RJ45 but RJ45 is the most common one in the consumer market
or have you ever seen a SFP+ on a laptop or a SFP+ to USB one?
I can get a USB-C RJ45 5Gbit / 10Gbit network card and plug it into my laptop
You talking about the prices makes me laugh too. Im so looking forward to you going over the other brands. 👍❤✌
I have had to use bios flashback ONCE to recover a bad bios flash, but lemme tell you I was happy to have it
The thing is, that's just a comfort option. Previously you needed an external EEPROM programmer and that's why older MB often provide a socketed BIOS chip instead of soldered. And this old school solution allows you to downgrade unlike some in-BIOS update features like Asus EZ Flash.
There's a small fan at the VRM area on the X570-I ITX
right (y) enlarge the photo and he will see the ventilation hole at the top left of the board
So basically just tell my Crosshair VII I love it a lot, and wait for them to fix the BIOS is what I got out of this.
Thanks BZ, great video as always.
BZ: "I am definately buying one of these and I dont even care how much it gonna cost"
ASUS: "We got him"
Buildzoid: *explanation of boards, features and thought process of picking one over the other*
Me: Those are words. OOH this one is SHINY!
I'd love a similar video for Gigabyte and MSI boards. ;) Great material, thanks for the tons of useful info! Also I'd vote for a Hero vs. Master vs Ace comparison. They are the rational high-end parts under the ridiculous top stuff.
That: "...but that would require innovative thinking which is something Asus run out of a couple of a years ago." -- phenomenal and sad the same time.
Asrock!
wow.. so glad i clicked on from GN to your personal channel :) After educating myself with ALL your X570 findings and comments, i WILL be able to chose wisely ( as long as RGB isn't clouding my judgement at the final end :p )
25:16 they listened to you here in Holland. the Strix-E has come down to € 280, and the Crosshair VII is still at it's hefty € 369 :) . On another note, 33:50 DAMN.. only the Formula board has 2 internal USB3 front headers in the ASUS series ( that is something i would like, but i will buy me a pcie addon card for that ;) ) while almost all other manufactures HAVE that standard. Asrock taichi misses the RTC alarm in the bios ( the only brand where you cannot set the days and time directly in the bios to power up and i let my pc after doing stuff at night power completely shutdown after finishing and powering up at 10 o'clock right before i step out of bed :p ) . If i had 699 to spare, i would go for FANLESS gigabyte anytime :)
34:07 bruh moment, has water block for vrm heatsink but still uses fan to cool chipset lmao
The Prime Pro is probably the best/lowest priced option for anyone who wants a good board for vfio. it's pcie layout is ideal in that you can actually fill 4/5 slots with two gpus. it allows for 2x8 so you can get decent pcie speeds for both gpus for dual head usage, and it has two chipset slots open to add an extra usb card and ethernet nic to pass through. the cheapest x570 boards with dual ethernet are all $100 more than this board so having the space to add a second one which you can get a decent one for ~$15 makes it much better value. the other thing of note is this is one of the cheapest boards that has sata m.2 that runs from the cpu sata controller. this means that you get access to two onboard sata controllers allowing you to pass one whole controller through while using the other controller for host drive(s).
all other boards in this price range and lower either have suboptimal x1 slot placements (read: all x1 slots are directly below an x16 slot) or only have one x16 cpu slot and one x16(x4) chipset slot or both. The next best option will be the asrock Taichi, and as has been stated in this series of videos no other $300 boards are really worth it compared to the taichi. once you go to $350 and up it doesn't seem to matter what you pick so long as you get one with dual ethernet
That's it.. Gamer's Nexus was dead...but we have Buildzoid, the 64 minutes true buildzoid is back guys
After watching all of your rambling videos, I boughtr the Strix X570-E at 330 USD because sadly the Crosshair VII Hero ( and Gigabyte X570 AORUS MASTER which was my second option) costs a freakin $460 in Japan ( And the Taichi costs $360 . Greedy distributors....).
I could have bought one through Amazon.com for $390 after shipping and taxes but since I've had enough pain getting support for personally imported products in the past ( support in Japan really sucks if you don't buy from an official distributor ) I played safe.
Anyway your vids really helped me and my friend ( he got the AORUS ELITE ) select our X570 boards. Thanks mate!
You are wrong about the strix gaming-e. It has a 6+2 vrm :) And I think this makes it a much more compelling buy!
Strix-E is 6x2 IR35201 (ASP1405I)
(6x2) IR5553 60A
Strix-F is 4x2 RT8877C (ASP1106GGQW)
(4x3) SiC639 50A
Was about to go to bed then noticed buildzoid uploaded a rambling video.....
Alarm now set 1 hour later than originally set 🤣🤣🤣
I linked this video on the Asus' ROG channel on their x570 line up video :D
How I choose a motherboard - *Looks at the stupid amount of choices* - *Closes browser* - *Cries*
great video as always, I was thinking on buying the Strix-F, but after this, I will wait until you review the other brands. thanks!
bios flashback is the best way to update a bios
1220 audio means don't bother with soundcard. It's no joke, and PCB layer seperation is a spec requirement. Sure buy and amp, but not a soundcard.
i dont know how 1 hour of watching passed like 10 mins, bro the information you provide is really really awesome and very useful, haven't seen anyone doing this and explaining things well based on a deep knowledge and experience.
keep up the good work and thank you for taking the time to do these videos.
Ah buildzoid you know us so well. I would totally rather have 4 different videos. 1.5x speed here we go!
I learn so much more from your rambling than just the topic at hand, keep it up please.
Strix E uses the same vcore vrm but with one less phase/twinstage as the crosshair VIII, it uses ASP1405I and 12 IR3555 for vcore instead of 14 IR3555 and it's 6+2 real phases instead of 7+1
It's not the same as TUF/Prime/strix-F
Yeah I was confused when he said that. Like how can a €380 (4000sek) board only have 4 phases. I hope you guys are correct :)
@Matthew Walsh That's the F. The E is different.
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wmsTYK9Z3-jUX5LGRoFnsZYZiW1pfiDZnKCjaXyzd1o/htmlview#
in AU strix E is selling around $320 US and Crosshair 8 wifi around $420, no Buidzoid, the Crosshair is the one that shouldn't exist.
Love your channel... Can't wait till you do an overview of the Asus DARK HERO. Looking forward to it.
For me in Germany, the x570-e costs 330€ vs the viii hero wifi for 460€, so it kinda makes sense here to buy that instead
Thanks for X570 TUF analysis Buildzoid! Now i'm sure this will be my board for 3600 no doubt :D
And I bought the Strix E for like €380 :p For a 3600, eheem, damn lol
Still waiting for that Gamers Nexus video which GN was supposed to upload on Tuesday if I understood it correctly. On the previous generations AM4 motherboards for Zen2...
On the topic of this video, I was a bit scared by what I saw in the latest JayzTwoCents video, ASUS has some crazy default voltages to the extend that a thermal shutdown was required while he used a 240 mm AIO.
Me to!
@@surpriseblueviana3803
I speculate that Gamers Nexus holds it on the plank to have a video a bit later when he wants to take time off. That guy was tired during his reviews and he had typed a lot of text on those sheets which he showed. For me it doesn't matter that much given that Ryzen got a paper launch outside the big countries. I live in the Netherlands, you can only pre-order the CPU's and they increased the the price. It won't be before the 22nd of July that you can easily buy those CPU's. The small shops in the Netherlands and Belgium are at the bottom of the distribution chain because of the size of the market. I know this from a good source (marketing manager MSI Europe).
@@peterjansen4826 You should buy from Germany, they usually have a lot of stock when it comes to pc parts
@@SpeedRebirth
Thanks. I know but most of those shops don't deliver to the Netherlands. :(
Caseking does but Caseking is quite expensive, in the case of AMD graphics cards Caseking can be a good option but outside that it doesn't help much. Take into account that we also need to pay around €20 for shipping, Caseking also uses 21% VAT for Dutch customers. As far as I understand foreign shops could use the VAT from their own country for foreign customers so it is unfortunate for us that Caseking chooses to charge the Dutch VAT which is 2 percent-point higher. I wish that Mindfactory would ship to other countries, then I would order all my hardware there.
It is ridiculous that these days those borders still matter for that, isn't it? I might live closer to some of those German shops than to some of those Dutch shops (southeast of the Netherlands) and yet that border makes that I have to make do with the Dutch shops which are farther away. Why don't shops like MF and CK just open a branch in the Netherlands which uses the same supply chain?
@@SpeedRebirth I ordered from Caseking (Germany) and the 3900x was said to be available yesterday, today on the webpage you see, "on order".
Thank you so much for the great rant lol
I was actually thinking about the X570 ROG Strix-F since i currently own the B450 ROG Strix-F with my Ryzen 5 2600X. But i will definitely go with the Asrock TAICHI as suggested when i will build my Ryzen 9 3900X probably at the end of this year.
Really appreciated your in-depth ramble video
Please do MSI next. Still trying to figure out which board to order
I went for the x470 Gaming Pro Carbon board. I felt i Didn't need the gen 4 as yet, and that is one solid board. (I've also gone for the 3900X for clarity)
Gigabyte next :p
unfortunately they are third in the release queue. Blame YT's algorithm for me not being able to dump all 4 hours of mobo rambling in one go.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking Who is second?
msi is probably the worst vendor this time around, asrock and gigabyte seems to have made decent boards for every price range (specially lower end)
I impulse bought the x570 -P but started to really question my purchase. I almost returned it and went for another cheap board but decided the -P should be good enough for me. Thanks for confirming that! Now I'm actually kind of happy with the purchase I made.
1:03:55 This is what we get for mocking that 10 minute video the other day...
Buildzoid,
I recently found your channel and I am loving it. You are awesome!
Heres some info on the impact
Newegg did a stream on jul 8th going over all the asus motherboards in depth and the impact section at 1:54:35 on their stream has some really good info!
20 minutes in and I feel exactly the same way about this lineup as you do. Real good analysis. I am an Asus only kinda person, and the $249 board is what I want but the price of it leads me to look at something like Gigabyte or even Asrock. Only downside for those for me is the UEFI. I will be waiting for your reviews on those brands. And I refuse to buy MSI no matter how good they seem, I've seen too many die and go right in the garbage in my lifetime.
FYI: for that sort of plastic manufacturing, $5 would probably get you about 100 of those plastic things. If they use really cheap plastic it could be 10,000 (but I'm sure they don't use plastic that cheap).
Great video! I subscribed right away
Just want to add all that stuff you said was plastic on the formula board is actually aluminum and it has aluminum on the armor back as well and the nvme cover is all aluminum and has thermal pads to act as a heatsink.
Still 5 dollars worth of aluminium.
could have used copper for that price, nearly twice the thermal conductivity compared to aluminium... i mean at $700...aluminium is the cheap stuff.
@@decree72 yep, but we are talking about asus ROG (RIPPIN OFF GAMERS)
thx for doing this before the trip. have a fun and safe trip!
21:10 yea, Threadripper 3000 will be a doomsday for intel X299
70ns latency between all chiplets are insane + No more NUMA+ IPC+ FREQ+ Low Power
This is what I'm waiting on. If they can get the single threaded performance to match my x299 with all of the cores. I'm switching. I wanted to get zen2 but it doesn't support quad channel memory :(
@@SuperSilvi1990 4.5 ghz zen2 match 5ghz coffe lake
If your skylake-x run lower than 5ghz, sorry for your loss
@@rulik006 lmao when I bought my setup zen2 didnt exist. so I don't have any buyers remorse especially after years of use.
Also it still doesn't change the fact that there isn't any quad channel memory on Zen2🤦🏾♂️. Quad channel memory is like going from single channel to dual channel. It's a 15 to 20 percent increase in performance. I use my computer for rendering 3d and premiere but I play games too.
Also.... I'm waiting on threadripper I'm good.
@@SuperSilvi1990 Think you meant "no quad channel memory on Ryzen 3000". Zen2 will have it in TR and 8 channel in Epyc. :)
@@Gigator Isn't ryzen 3000 called Zen2? It was Zen, Zen+, and now Zen2
G'day Buildzoid,
Thanks for doing all these Motherboard comparisons,
although I could quite happily have you Rambling for 4hrs about motherboards I think splitting them into Manufacturers is a good Idea,
Sooooo ASUS TUF or Crosshair Viii,
looking forward to your other manufacturer reviews to see if I do get to a point of wanting X570 I can make an informed decision
I know this is fairly old, but the x570 boards will be on the top of the stack for another year with Zen 3 chips. So it's still very relevant.
Be careful when considering pricing advise from Buildzoid. It may not be the same in your country. For instance, in Canada, the Strix E-gaming board is $385. The Crosshair Hero is $500. That's a big difference. In BZ's pricing they are only $30 different. For him it makes total sense to get the Hero for the $30 and enter the elite class of boards for almost nothing. But where I am building they have a HUGE price gap and the E-Gaming makes a lot of sense if you want a high quality board with pretty much everything (including Wifi 6, post code, lighting, flash back, and all 10GB USB ports, good VRM) except push button reset and power, but don't want to unload serious $$$.
Happy building, and 2020 can suck it for all the parts shortages and inflated prices that come with it.
love this series it's just what we need. please do all 4 as planned. cheers
I’ve had the exact same problem with the Realtek LAN on my MSI B350 board.
THANK YOU for properly explaining why some people need PCIe lanes and would actually like a 16c TR gen3!
I think there's a mistake about the tuf-gaming-X570-plus, you mention the lack of usb 3 for front pannel. On asus site it specified 4X usb 2.0 port and 2x usb 3.2 port at mid-board
Always up for Buildzoid's ramblings.
My logic: sees Crosshair VI Hero marked down to $88 USD, buys it for the safe boot button
awesome board
spend the extra for the X470 version (crosshair 7 hero)
@@Tallnerdyguy even better board. Well, there I'm biased because I own one. The only thing that kind of sucks on the crosshair line up, those BIOS got so many features that boot time is really slow compared to cheaper one.
@@Koeras16 use fast boot, and after a few starts, it should be blazing fast after memory training is completed
I absolutely love the Crosshair VIII Hero! Completely stable running 3950x FCLK: 1866
G.Skill DDR4 4400 OC @ 3800 CL14 1.5V
Cinebench R20: 10,067
Once you go Audio Interface and big monitor speakers, you will never go back.
it also costs a lot less (5.1/7.1 is garbage btw)
I have a pair of JBL 306Ps. Any recommendations for an interface? Been looking at the Scarlett 2i2 but am not sure.
why monitors.
@@Natsumi666 Typically they have better audio quality and frequency range than the standard 2.0 or 5.1 computer speaker sets. Mine get much louder when I want them to, while also keeping the different parts of audio much clearer than my Logitech Z506 setup did. Also, they looks much more badass :p
Not the hero we deserved but hero we needed.
similar to old man yelling at clouds, buildzoid yelling at motherboards.
Those clouds make me angry. Don't judge me! I'm the one telling them to go away so we have sunshine to enjoy with our Metamucil in the morning. You're welcome! 🤓
@Southeastern777 Go and research it for real. Look into "Owning the weather by 2025", published by the DOD. Look into "Operation Popeye" where the military used cloud seeding to wash out the Ho-Che-Min trail. Also look into Dr. Keith at Harvard bragging about using the exact same chemicals the "conspiracy theorists" have been saying they are spraying. Quite a "quinky-dink" huh?
was waiting for this all my life :)
I feel like ASUS "jebaited" me with that TUF Gaming. That was rumored to be a $170 board for the longest time. Guess they heard your praise, and jacked the price up.
Here in europe tuf is 250-270€
@@lifemocker85 ouch. I know some stores are price gauging right now on Some stuff because of limited availability. I've seen 3900x go for 50% over MSRP.
Thank you for that video, was about to get the Crosshair formula, but luckily managed to change in time before they shipped my order, went for the gigabyte arous extreme instead, since it was on a nice discount.
In sweden theres a 50$ difference between strix F and E and a 120$ difference between Strix E and Hero (without wifi)
Jag ska hämta upp -E snart :P Men fan vad dyrt de va
here in germany too, only the Strix E and Here is 105 €
@@alkaAdeluxx The difference between Hero and formula is also 200$ that's a 40% increase compared to the hero. That's not even close to the 100% he was talking about.
@@SpeedRebirth Sommarjobbar för tillfället och en vecka till, men sen tänker jag köpa r5 3700x och Asus x570 Hero, eller så köper jag ett billigare moderkort och corsair 1tb m.2 pcie 4
@@SpeedRebirth Vänta Inet har ett medlemserbjudande Asus strid E går för 3600
Love this guy, Ill never buy another board without hearing his opinion first. I grabbed the Tuf board, Cheers
waiting for ASRock to do something crazy like use top tier x470 VRM's on low end x570
Want to see Steel Legend review
Thanks for the info on the ITX boards. Now I can safely buy the Gigabyte one without regret.
Hi, love your videos.
The strix - E VRM is different than the others it as 12xIR3555 and for the information that I can find it is a 6 fase
Can you please confirm the Asus X570 Strix-E VRM info, i want this motherboard but that is dependent of the VRM
Love it. Thanks BZ!
Am I missing something here doesn't the Strix X570-E have a Post code in your rambling you said it does not but the Hero does but I can clearly see the LED on the Strix X570-E.
Revisiting in preparation of 5900X Ryzen 9. I never anticipated myself to be on this day, an Intel guy forever turning to AMD for the first time in my life
The Formula "Is just a Hero with a bunch of useless crap on it!" Brother, thank you for that...you just persuaded me not to purchase a Formula!!!! Like button Obliterated!!!
I was all set to buy the Hero before realising it didn’t have enough USB headers to work with the Lian-Li O11 Dynamic XL. I was then set on the Formula but since EK don’t make a VRM bridge for the Crosshair version (like they do for the Maximus) I didn’t think watercooling it would look very good. So I looked at other reviews and listened to this one basically saying the Formula was pointless! I settled on the Gigabyte Aorus Master as it has enough USB headers and as a bonus, a third M.2 slot.
Have the same experience with Realtek, no specific damning issue on paper, but always dropping out/saying network detected no internet.
the driver are suck..just hope you have another ethernet port
I don't know jack s**t about motherboards to be honest. I finished building my gaming PC about 6 months ago and I was looking at B550 and X570 mobos for my Ryzen 5600x and the only reason I ended up getting an ASUS X570-P was because I managed to get it used on Amazon for $69 bucks. And though it said used, the thing looked brand spanking new with a dinged up box.
Ultimately, I'm glad to see that it's a pretty solid board all things considered, though there's so much technical jargon being tossed around in this video that I simply don't understand. I know how to find compatible parts and put things together but if someone was to ask me why they should be a Dark Hero vs an X570-P, I wouldn't know what to tell them other than, 'overclocking'.
So do I go for ASUS Prime X570-PRO or GIGABYTE X570 AORUS ELITE for 3700x ?
Hell yes, your knowledge is greatly appreciated!!!
The question I have (as I continue watching not sure if it was answered), are dual m.2 NVME drives still dropping PCI lane to half like it was with x470?
check the mobo manuals AFAIK the 3rd gen CPUs have 16x for general PCIe and an extra x4 dedicated to one of the M.2 slots
generally, yes they are across most manufacturers. if you want raid nvme drives at x4 pcie4 speeds then your pcie4 x16 slot will be divided
Not exactly...20 of the 44 pcie lanes come from x570, with an extra 8 available for nvme...if you were to use an nvme raid card in pcie slot, it would. Either way, you won't even saturate pcie4 x8 with current gpus
At least one m.2 should be off the X570 chipset. If you're only using pcie gen 3 ssds then you can fully utilize 2 of them running off the chipset, and another 1 off the cpu.
@@Lead_Foot yep thats what i meant
Best break down of motherboards with relevant comparison with competing vendors.
Buildzoid what usb sound card do you use?
SupremeFX Hi-FI
M-Audio M-track. It's the cheapest way to get XLR inputs that I could find with decent quality
Can't wait for you to do Gigabyte. I was hopeful for the VIII, and while good I'd prefer 3 M.2 drives so the Gigabyte boards look really good. I also just love the look of the Aorus Extreme.
What do you think about Biostar X570 GT8 motherboard? Biostar has also got good X470 (GT8) and x370 (GT7) motherboards.
Unless your mother-in-law is an overclocker and you buying as a gift for her you should stay away from these boards.
They've spent entire budget on a PCB and left nothing to properly setup bios. Its a nightmare of a board. With so many bugs you'd need a starship troopers to burn them. This board will put you in a such dark depression that even Stephen Kings books will look like a comedy in comparison.
I've owned one. Now i'm traumatized for eternity.
@@PanaehaliTut same
Ugly
DFI, ABIT, Epox - we miss you.
Chipset fans: Why dont we go raid old server boards for perfectly fine heatsinks and just be done with it???
In UK the Hero x570 goes for 430 $ (around) at least when the Strix x570-e goes for 310 $ (around) so this argument of buying the hero goes out of the door. In UK basically the strix-e is one of the best values compare to other motherboards if you value extras. (usb, lan etc) If not TUF like you said.
I don't see why a 16 core Threadripper wouldn't be coming considering the 1900X exists
Threadripper is coming but they want to act like its a surprise.
The 3950x is 16 core part tho. 24core 48 thread would probably be the start for threadripper.
I wish motherboards were modular where you could just plug in daughterboards for wifi, sata, sound, pcie, etc.
I have litterly never once in my life ever used wifi on a desktop computer. I'm baffled why someone would not just run an rj45. Now days when I build a new workstation at work it automatically gets a 10 gigabit lan card, hell my home server, workstation, and kids gaming rig all have 10 gigabit.
Few reasons to use wifi on a desktop: your house/flat don't provide Ethernet wiring and you can't do the work. For example, in a rented house/flat or an office where you need a cable passing through your whole living space.
Your needs aren't quite ordinary with your workstation and NAS but I agree that on-board wifi isn't really relevant with this kind of chipset. And as said BZ: "You got PCIe expansion ports, use it."
@@PainterVierax you are correct I'm a unique use case but I'd still rather tack a cable along a baseboard. Funny story I rented a house for 2 years when I was younger. I wired the entire house for Ethernet with wall plates and everything the landlord never noticed.
@@narkoid The usual problem is not that you are not allowed to wire but that you're paying for something that should be financed by the owner because you add value to the rented place.
Also you were lucky that it wasn't very visible. In many places it's hard to do without adding gutters, especially when wiring and pipes are walled in. (That's actually my case and it was a nightmare to just change the phone cable)
WS X570 LAN: Realtek RTL8117 is marketed as a Personal Could solution: "RTL 8117 can transform your home PC into a personal cloud server even in sleep mode. Support for Wake-on-WAN (RealWoW) technology"
PCI-e lane hog here!
I'd really like to see a pcb breakdown on the impact, hopefully, u will get the pictures as soon as possible, btw, love your content.
Cant wait to push my X470 Gaming pro carbon. 3800X on the way
Intel is hardware Lan controller. It is akin to Intel HD vs geforce / radeon. Only in reverse role. I don't do sound card. I put AV receiver before my screen and set sound to HDMI audio.
I personally won't buy a board with wifi integrated. Wifi is terrible and I don't want a stupid antenna connector eating up my rear i/o.
I've actually had great experience streaming with a netgear nighthawk and netgear modem with modern Intel Wi-Fi, I've not had a disconnect in 2years since upgrading.
@Lemmy wifi has a lot of flaws outside the chip and driver used or the antenna implementation, the environment could seriously ruin the usage and the fact that channels overlap each other is not helping. By design, Ethernet is more reliable on bandwidth and latency but as wifi tech evolves, the average consumer needs are more filled.
I don't have issues when using several laptops with 8/9 y-old mPCIe cards and my 2015 mid-range smartphone is reliable and don't have any external antenna.
Thank you ASUS for including a PS/2 connector for my M series keyboard on your TUF gaming Plus. That is what got me from buying a Gigabyte Aorus Elite (no PS/2 connector).
Reason why some prices don't seem to have sense between each other is due dollar and USA pricing where many things don't make sense. If you swap newegg to some europe country you can see that in many cases difference between Strix E and Hero is ~100€ and not just 20$ apart out of many, so this is more of rambling about Asus prices in USA market. (Strix-E is ~350€ and Hero ~450€ here)
...I'd watch 4 hours...
Some of these prices are definitely confusing. In Australia the ASUS line-up is a little less silly, but the mid-range is still crowded. The Strix F is AU$419, the Strix E is AU$489 and the Hero Wifi at AU$649. That gap makes the Strix E more valid, also the Formula is only AU$799, making the gap at the top much smaller and the OLED, WB and 5GB Lan more palatable.
To keep it simple;
Realtek network; software stack
Intel network; hardware stack.
This is why Realtek network dies in the arse at random once a week, it still a thing to this day.
Avoid Realtek network, or substitute with a NIC card, 10GBe if you’re keen. :)
Yes Realtek is absolute garbage with industry worst driver support. It is astonishing they are still for in business for years as bad as their products are. The only time I have ever seen driver real support on realtek devices is when it's rebadged and that company updates drivers.
Im really hella confused. I just checked and I've been running a mobo with realtek gigabit networking for like 7 years now. I never had a single issue
@@Rugg-qk4pl That has nothing to do with Realtek's quality or usually lack there of. Some of their products work ok, others not so much, driver support is non existent from Realtek them selves but if you get a properly function network device from them and the motherboard maker provides and updates the drivers you will not have any issue. You just happen to be lucky.
You should make a poll to determine which vendor is next(unless you already doing someone). Great video, thanks.
If you wonder, yes realtek is still bad.
Some things never change