Gigabyte: Makes boards with horrible VRM's. Buildzoid: Make better VRM's ffs. Gigabyte: Makes boards with excellent VRM's. Buildzoid: Make worse VRM's ffs.
Yeah im so fed up with the Mobo and GPU and CPU gouging .....Even the RAM got in on the Raping of us Consumers and they got caught ....now if we could get Mobos caught for price fixing then you know cpu and GPU's would drop with in a few so they would not have a Big light on them....oh we can dream but who knows I read the FTC is looking into Gig and MSI for over steep pricing as the Reddit story said an investigation can NOT COME SOON ENOUGH for all of the major Players!! Cow}:-o)
matrixfull 8+4 IR3550 (60A) with a 35201 controller and 3599 doublers. Really impressive for APU LN2 OC ... or a rather useless layout. Its still really good for 200€, but Im not so sure about the fan and the BIOS.
Actually Hardcore Overclocking it doesn’t, yes. But it’s funny to see the contrast. I initially came to your channel exactly for ram oc and enjoyed my stay ever since touching it. Ty!
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking why don't you just RAM it up your Overclock. Just kidding. What you consider 'bad' is extremely useful to PC illiterates like me. Loved the vid despite the fact I am passing on the new motherboards and sticking with my MSI X470 gaming pro carbon; bought it after your review - you were spot on, an amazing board! Besides, why bother with new boards decked out with fans? Rather wait to see what DDR5 boards bring to the table. And maybe they'll have more passively cooled chipsets by then - knock wood.
Where can I get a motherboard where I won't have to worry about the fan breaking up? That allows me to have LAN parties but if there isn't enough cables I can switch to wi-fi? Where audio is awesome and I won't have to carry a seperate box? Where I can insert an additional capture card and a render card as well as GPU? That has really good cooling as I plan to overclock the fuck out of it? And if I ever get attacked at home, I could use the motherboard as a bullet proof vest?
@@AbirZenith Exactly as funny as the Sams comment is it's blatantly false. Both Asrock and Asus are better specd and I've only owned Gigabyte for the last 20+ years. Now for the first time I have to consider other brand due to a LACK of features.
I'm glad you said that, I'm a complete been, I spent two months researching and have just built my first of, it's to do a little gaming, a little CAD, maybe a little animation and editing, I used an Elite with an R9 3900x choosing what board I needed was a nightmare I litterely knew nothing but so far most people in the know think I did well, you seem to like the board and you really seem to know your stuff so that's re-assuring! Anyway some great vids from you, I got sent here from 'Pauls hardware" and am very interested in alot of your content your gained another subscriber today great work bud 👍👌👍
1:00:00 as a guy who has done multiple ITX build, having printers and external soundcard on an ITX build doesn't make sense. The point of the ITX build is to be as minimal and compact as possible, for space efficiency and portability. P.S. this is also why on-board audio is important, because it doesn't have to be as good as an external DAC; it just has to be good enough that you don't need to buy one.
Besides, if you're that needy for usb ports, you can always use a hub. Printers, soundcards, keyboard and mouse don't need the bandwidth. Even for webcams it is questionable to need a dedicated usb port. Although mouse and keyboard I can understand due to possible latency issues.
Thanks a lot man for makings these. You are really informative and entertaining to listen to. I don't know that much about motherboards so these are really helpful on deciding what x570 motherboard to get. Love from Finland!
Re Elite: "If it had a post code, what more could you want?" Which is how I think Gigabyte is segregating their motherboards: troubleshooting features. The higher you go, the more you get. Personally, I don't care about them, so the Elite is the perfect X570 for me. But for people who do, if they want Gigabyte, they're going to go higher and spend more
Tossing up between Asus TUF, Asus Strix F and MSI Gaming Carbon, finally settled for Gigabyte pro. Due to memory support for 64GB at 3600CL16 (on QVL list), Intel Lan, Wifi6, AC1220 sound and VRMs that run cooler thant the others. Thank you for your videos. Worked out to be around $430 AUD shipped, other boards were around $370 mark with compromises. The GB pro also came with the most USB ports. That row of 4, USB 2.0 is invaluable for keyboard, mouse, printer stacks, while still freeing up 3.0/3.1 slots.
I appreciate all the hard work you've done reviewing all vendors motherboards. I have created a playlist of all buildzoid X570 board videos and shared it. So people will have a general plus, idea of what they should buy.
when is buildzoid going to start his own motherboard company? i'd buy one, a mobo that had only what i needed and none of the extra stuff that doesn't make sense
Agreed. My Gigabyte Z87-UD4H was $75 in August 2013 (just two months after Haswell launch). Quality VRMs and Post code were standard and it was sub $100. I do think I got super spoiled by this motherboard though lol. And for full disclosure, it was $115-$40 (Microcenter promo); but hey. There is a certain irony that AMD boards are now pricier than the Intel boards I've used in the past. And that even includes the DFI LP UT P35 board - look at its launch price (lmao) - tho I ultimately got that for like $22X I believe.
The board cartel got together and agreed on a plan to segment the market to raise prices by limiting feature competition. You know, anti-capitalism at its best!! (Last sentence added because I'm concerned that an entire generation is growing up wrongfully being told that greed is capitalism as apposed to a market-based method for the efficient allocation & investment of limited resources)
Dude i got. POS Gigabyte G1 z97 with debug display, post code bios FB Quick buttons c cmos, power reset dual bios dips, single bios dip $120 lol they are screwing us enthusiasts
and back when i got my first highend s754/939 AMD boards, they where 1000-1400dkk (150-200usd), these days same quality board cost you 2000+ dkk(300+ usd). So things change, and aparently electronics keeps getting WAY more expensive.
One thing to note that changed my mind: how many fan headers you need. I am running an air cooled build and need more fans in my build, so I went with the Pro over the Elite. The Elite has 3 fan headers I believe and the Pro Wifi has 7. Now I know you can always buy splitters and controllers, but in the end the extra headers/controllers would come close to just spending the extra to get the Pro (also "better" VRM and heatsinks are nice). Both are SOLID boards tho, love that Gigabyte improved in every way.
@@junyanchan1285 ...but then you have to deal with compatibility, mounting, and loss off a power cable. Additionally, most of them with any features on them for any serious effects cost 60.00 dollars. That's the cost of the board bump making it worth it alone, and that's before the feature bump.
@@formdoggie5 Obviously mobo fan headers is the least of your concern if you are taking about features. The sata power cable is the same cable that powered your hdd or 2.5 ssd, and those cable have 4 ports on a single cable that comes bundle with your PSU. If all else, get molex fan hub, not recommended. A 3 port pwm fan hub cost around 5 bucks, 3 of them will only cost 15 and will powered up the elite up to 12+2 fans without the need of sata power. Side note, more fan doesn't equate to better cooling airflow path and air saturation are equally important. Just look up for Lian pc-o11 dynamic and air review.
Don't really understand why if all the VRM of the $300 board are so efficient mobo makers can't make it go the way of the extreme by passively cooling the chipset.
Yeah, I don't know the cost of a heatpipe & sink fins vs a fan & flat hunk of aluminum... but it can't be much, right? Hope we see a ton of Rev.2 releases right away in the coming months after all the "chipset fans suck" responses. If they're listening...
@John Chrysostom oh I remember fo sho... I hated SB/NB mini fans back 17yrs ago with NV chipsets on Barton mobos, & was glad to see passive cooling come about. I just don't know the cost difference, which I'm guessing cost savings is the deciding factor for the vendors on everything.
@@Krazie-Ivan You would be surprised how much cheaper a hunk of extrusion and 2 cuts get, to stamped, folded and assembled aluminum fins and a heatpipe with 5 bends to snake to the chipset. You need to assemble differently too , VRM and chipset have to be mounted at the same time , not in 2 different steps
Concerning your rant about LAN, WiFi, Sound cards, USB and PCIe expansions, on paper I totally agree with you. Most of the "features" included on modern motherboards are going to waste. I too would rather use my own sound card/WiFi card/10GB LAN card and so on - frankly even the standard back IO ports should be customizable in my opinion - however in practice it would require motherboard manufacturers to come up with a new standard to replace the ATX standard and its derivatives. Unfortunately manufacturers will always be reluctant to invest into new standards - no matter how much better things might be either for them or their customers - because changes to the end product means changes in manufacturing process, huge costs and taking the risk that the customers might end up just as reluctant to change.
If it were $399, I'd buy the Aorus Xtreme. But $699 for a motherboard is just ridiculous. They should have slapped the same cooling solution on the Aorus Master.
The audio components Gigabyte uses in the Aorus Xtreme are the same parts you'll find in high end external DACs. You'd have to spend a lot on an external soundcard to get something equal, let alone better. The Apogee Duet 2 for example uses the same chipset and overall very similar components (it doesn't get much better or more expensive than WIMA and Nichicon after all), and costs more than this entire board.
I just want to say that I appreciate your long and rambling videos because they are the most informative and more real videos I have seen to date by anyone. (I am new to this world and trying to learn to make sure I get the most value for my money at any price point.) to many videos just promote whoever is cutting the check at the time. There is a difference between an influencer and a reviewer. Personally I prefer a true reviewer. This comment is in regard to the “how videos with you and gamers nexus videos work”video. Thank you for picking the motherboard round up regardless if you’d buy any or not. It’s about the review and being informative for people. Picking the boards that most normies would choose to purchase and giving them insight into it. And BTW I’m def a normie and don’t find that offensive at all. Who cares what the winey thin skinned people who get offended when the wind blows think. Just feel like someone should say thank you instead of all of these people who want to be negative about videos. If you don’t like it don’t watch it. But they sure aren’t taking the time to produce their own. And even if they did probably would have no where near the knowledge on the subject. So again thank you! I have watched several of your very long videos because I actually appreciate the true informative breakdown. Btw I am building a more workstation based computer. I do want the usb-c front connection. I have a 5600x 4x8 Corsair vengeance pro lian li Evo case corsair 850 watt psu. 10 lian li Al fans and a cheap 240mm aio. But it has the highest air flow I could find in what I wanted to spend. I’ll be running 3 x nvme 1tb Ssd and 1 4tb hhd. I have an evga 3060 black Xc GPU but it keeps going to black screens and windows gives a device error and turned off error code. Code 46 or something like that. Any advice why it’s spoiling up to max then screen goes black? And also what do you recommend for a mother board that is semi on the mid budget side. I doubt I’ll be running anything that needs true pcie 4.0 all nvme drives will be pcie 3 to be honest. I don’t want to spend 300+ on a mother board. And may consider going to a Radeon 6600xt or 6650xt.
@@shinymike4301 that's the Xtreme edition of buildzoid. Buildzoid doesn't need all the feature. If you give him WiFi 6 then he doesn't need 10gbps LAN or even 2.5gbps LAN. and he doesn't need top of the line on board sound card. So these saves him a lot of money :p
I'm glad to hear you think the Pro Wifi is decent. I ordered one a couple days ago when NEGG got the 3700x back in stock. I was a little worried about picking it before your Gigabyte vid was out, but thought it looked reasonable based on the other brand vids. I picked it over the Elite mainly based on cooling control. The Elite has 4 fan/pump headers while the Pro has 7. I also like the finned VRM heatsink. I picked the Pro over the comparable Asrock boards due to the G.Skill 3600 CL16 memory I already picked up for the upgrade not being on Asrock's tiny QVL. Edit: I picked it over the 400 series because selection is thin right now and the MSI ones I like best seem to be hit or miss on BIOS issues. Just played it safe and set up for if PCIE 4 actually starts becoming useful in the boards life.
I wish high-end motherboards wouldnt try so hard on audio. The kind of enthusiast that they target with a $700 board is probably already using an external DAC of some kind. And if you're spending that much, and you're not using an external DAC, you probably should be. Personally, I use the SPDIF out to a surround receiver. All a motherboard really needs to have is the front panel audio, which is just for convenience.
Why even a post code on board when you can buy a external post code display plugged on to the tpm header. I think this is more convenient and is possible on almost all mobo's.
I decided to buy PRO or ELITE by watching this video. In Japan, AORUS PRO is priced close to Steel Legend and TUF GAMING (WI-FI), and ELITE is the same price as Pro4 from ASRock. Thank you Buildzoid and Gigabyte
A comment on this and several other mobo reviewers criticizing inclusion of WiFi: Keep in mind that many people live in apartments or even rented rooms, and do not have the option of stringing LAN cables everywhere much less drilling holes in the wall. WiFi is everywhere, and many of us need it. The higher-end protocols are now good enough for most gaming. There is nothing to complain about when a mobo includes WiFi. Especially not in the same breath as criticizing the boards for a lack of PCIe slots. You can't reasonably say there aren't enough yet also suggest that one of them should be wasted on a WiFi card. Not when there are so many other needs some of us are apt to have for the slots (2nd video card; Thunderbolt, or if you want to wait for it, then USB 4; RAID controller; dedicated streaming encoder; even a sound card, if you're tired of having external devices piling up on your desk but you want better-than-integrated sound. As an extra, we almost always also get BlueTooth with the integrated WiFi, too. So, having this on the mobo kills two PCIe-wasting birds with one stone, yet requires very little mobo space, and adds little to the cost. If you don't need WiFi and want to save $25 or whatever, then get a mobo without that feature; there are plenty. To me, this anti-mobo-WiFi talk is like criticizing the inclusion of USB Type C just because some people won't need it. Some of Buildzoid's specific other assumptions are just wrong. 1) No, 1x PCIe isn't plentiful. Various boards today have 0-2 of them, due to 3+ M.2 slots and 3+ x16 PCIe taking them up. Very few boards today ship with x4 or x8 slots, either. 2) If you do need the WiFi as your Internet access, you may also need the LAN, which is great for connecting directly to a NAS (many of which do not have WiFi and would be slower that way if they did), even if your cabled LAN is just between these two devices and has nothing to do with the Internet. 3) If you do need the LAN as your Internet access, you may also need the WiFi, since various of your devices (phone, etc.) do not have LAN connectivity and are inconvenient when hooked up to a USB cable (or only have that for charging not data), and in a group-living environment, you may not have sufficient control over your accesspoint/router to bridge the LAN and WiFi. The US homeownership rate among "households" is only about 65%, and is much lower at the individual level. All of this is before we even consider usage of computer products in less Westernized/industrialized countries, where there often is no hard-wired Internet access to homes, and all there is for most people is WiFi.
I bought that Board a week ago,and i am still confused how it idles at 1.46v or more.. I have applied negative offset of 0.1,disabled PBO and whatever LLC i choose it cant let go those absurd voltages..Did i choose wrong board?
Note the QVL has significantly changed as at the latest available date (Feb 18th, 2020). The highest memory speed on the QVL that supports using all four sockets is now 4000 MHz with BALLISTIX BLE8G4D40BEEAK.M8FE1.
Was hoping for diagnostic code panel and all the rear buttons at the Aorus Pro or Ultra price point, especially given Gigabyte's history of past boards. Being forced to step up to the Master (which is practically the top of the stack since the Xtreme is madness) for those features is meh on their end. Guess will have to live with it if I get one of those boards. Now to wait for all the BIOS updates and see how the motherboards fares after all the AGESA updates...
Have a x570 master here. Took one of those 3200mhz 32gb lpx kits from corsair and out of the box painlessly brought it to 3733. Id imagine I could go higher but memory overclocking on this thing is really really nice. 18-19-19-39? I think are the timings. Literally just copied the timings from the 3600 kit they sell. One warning about this mobo is that the memory voltage tends to run a bit hot and give a bit more voltage than what is indicated - 0.15 or 0.10v higher for what its worth.
Thanx for the walk through of the boards. It helped me to pick my new mobo. Here in Canada The Aorus Elite is around $300.00 and a decent board by all means. Be well.
About the itx board and USB: I wanted the Asus cause it has more usb and fans for the chipset and vrm, but they were too lazy to tell anyone when or if it was coming out, or a price point. So they lost my business
Basically the same with me. I'd have gone for strix x570 itx or even the crosshair viii impact if the price was alright but no price + no release date = no sale. Gigabyte's i/o is bizarre (I mean who would seriously use dp and 2x hdmi on an apu) but I took the usb hit and have no regrets.
Hi guys one important thing here. My gpu msi rx480 died and i send it on warranty. In this shop works a guy i know for some time and i start talking about new ryzen cpus and i said that i heard gigabyte is making best boards for new ryzen. He told me to never buy gigbyte mobo and stuf not because it's bad but because their customer service is very bad and many time when people go for warranty if something died etx gigabyte told them kind a to f-off. I don't know how it looks in other countries but here in Poland i was told is well known issue for pc hardware shops. So if as buildzoiod say most mobo are similar before buying i would go to shop and ask with mobo maker is less painfull to deal with when something brake. (sry for my english)
I am thankful for the intel and AMD Wi-Fi+BT solutions because their Bluetooth support is solid for the devices I use (headphones, raspi, cycling trainer)
Watches all x570 videos, doesn't want any x570s :) And glad you said what I was thinking why not make new B450 board now with Ryzen 3000 out of box. Yes there is MSI MAX series coming, but it's just old motherboard with new bios chip. ASRock released their B450 Steel Legend a couple months too early, it could have been the X570 version with B450 chip and be much cheaper and as good (and no fan).
@@Targetlockon I'd wait for those MSI MAX refreshes, B450 Tomahawk MAX for ATX and B450M Mortar MAX for mATX. If you want WiFi and good audio, then MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC (I would have bought that, sadly mATX case, so no go). But if you got a Ryzen chip already to be used for BIOS update, then other manufacturers work too.
@11:30 those pci-e lanes come from somewhere, from chipset for example, which creates a limited number of lanes. If you want to add more slots, you may have to disable other features of the chipset like extra m.2 connectors or sata ports. @13:00 They used to sell full retail 10g cards with the Aquantia chipset for around 70-75$ so the chip itself is probably much cheaper in volume, let's say 30-40$... but who knows, they were recently bought by Marvell so maybe they raised the prices @14:20 Someone could connect the 10g network card directly to a NAS and then use WiFi 6 for internet connection. The 1 gbps could be used for separate/internal private LAN in a business somewhere. Well, sure, few are actually gonna buy this motherboard for an office workstation. This being said, I agree with you that they should design the wireless card to be optional/removable.
Fun fact: at 51:21 there is a 3600MHz GSkill RAM of FOUR 16GB sticks. And on Aorus Elite they have only been tested with 2 of them while on Aorus Pro and up whey were tested with all 4 sticks at that speed.
Only think I would pull you up on is the need for more USB ports - in this day an age do you really need a USB port for printer, just go wireless, the board includes sma wifi connectors too - so no need for a USB wifi dongle, it has bluetooth integrated also. So mouse, keyboard, web cam are the essentials for most people?
If more parts of the motherboard were hot-swappable (like sound bits/LAN/wifi), that would be fantastic. Honestly, the only reason I ever even thought of getting the Xtreme is because it looks amazing. If that design was on a board half the price I'd be the first to buy one.
completely agree many of these features should be add on cards but they dont want this because if its on board you buy it once and when you change your platform you will buy the stuff again with your next motherboard. If it would all be add on cards you would never ever need an expensive motherboard.
Gigabyte's X570 UD must be fairly recent. Pretty much seems to be a slightly lower cost Gaming X. Albeit with the first x1 slot moved to where the second m.2 is, a x4 slot in place of the last x1, no second m.2 slot and less fan headers. ALC887 is from 2008 btw, if I remember correctly.
See, I'm completely on board with these super high end boards that aren't sensible purchases on release. Like with all tech, R&D costs have to be recouped as best they can early on. Anyone buying this kind of board at retail prices knows what they are buying into. The second aspect of this is simply trickle down tech. It takes much longer for better technologies to reach "mainstream" consumers if there is no halo product for R&D cost recoupment or long term, real world, end user testing and development. Third, prices go down, typically fairly quickly, on products like this if you know where to look. To see a barely used or even unused board like this one grey market for 66.7% of its original cost within only 4 months or so is actually not uncommon. Some people buy these boards for various reasons and then want to get rid of them only to find they can't get anywhere close to what they paid for it. The niche within the niche that is willing to buy it at a crazy high price is also extremely unlikely to buy it other than brand new through an authorized retailer.
i just like them because it's cool to see the tech. would i ever buy one? hell no but it's still cool to see how far motherboards have come over the last 20 years as far as features go.
I have AsRock Fatal1ty Z370 Professional Gaming i7 motherboard right now. I had it running with all of the following at the same time: 2x GPUs 3x M.2 NVMe SSDs 2x PCIe x4 USB hubs (x1 slots are open ended, so despite x4 end was on top of M.2 SSD in the top slot it still worked And I even had the very bottom PCIe slot empty (wanted to install another GPU, but PSU was on its way, so will not use until moving into bigger case). And motherboard has one 10G Ethernet port and even 2 more 1G ports on the back side without expansion cards.This is what I call a good I/O. It was an expensive motherboard when it was new, but at least it has a full set of necessary ports and slots. WIth that in mind, X750 Aorus Extreme's layout is just misunderstanding. Why buying $700 USD with just 3 PCIe slots???
Thanks maaaaan! I can finally order the Master for 4x8Gb SS DIMMs setup. Was so afraid that Daisy Chain would prevent this...i really want to be able to go 4000Mhz low latency with forced IF clocks
thanks for the video. turns out that from the QVL that my four CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 wont work in the Elite (acording to the list). But, the Pro and upwards dont have a problem.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking yeah, true. They lack pretty much any external IO except ethernet, but you know what I mean: not many unnecessary extras and lots of pcie expansion
If it doesn't have BMC and ECC support (even unregistered), then it's not a proper server board for a professional environment. And BTW, a USB hub is quite enough for slow peripherals such as keyboard, mouse, printer. Finally, like soundcard, lan or sata ports there are USB extention PCIe cards too or some dirt cheap PCI bracket to connect internal USB headers to the rear just like people sometimes does with the COM serial connector.
I have a Gigabyte 2011 socket board, with some 11 usb's, and not all the internal headers are even utilised. That would suggest IO is good on "prosumer" boards.
Buildzoid: You mentioned Nanya RAM on the Extreme's QVL, and seemed surprised. I've never heard anything about Nanya - was your reaction meant to be positive or negative?
I upgraded to an x470 Crosshair VII Wifi a few days ago. It was either Aorus Elite or Tuf Gaming Wifi for x570 or Gaming 7 Wifi, Taichi or the crosshair for x470. There was an outside chance for the x470 rog strix if none of the boards I really wanted were available. Went for the Crosshair for the extra features. The price was the same. At least when I ordered, as I got it on sale. Will put a 12/16 core in there down the line, otherwise I could have gone with a cheaper less overkill board.
I'm debating about getting the Aorus Master board or the Asus Crossheir XIII Hero (non-WiFi version). I would like to get back with Gigabyte again after their new BIOS revamp, but I also read that Gigabyte boards don't work too well with G.Skill... Which I do plan on getting. The Gigabyte Aorus Master also has lower ratings than the Asus Crossheir too according to Amazon. Any thoughts? Will be planning a 3950X editing rig with it.
I know my Asus Z370i is really good with USB ports. Never really had a problem with it, and I have a keyboard, mouse, USB DAC, monitor USB hub, Printer, flight stick, throttle stick, and VR setup and still have a few USB slots left over, not to mention front panel USB ports.
Guys, I feel we need a very modular motherboard. No sound, no wifi, no lan, few usb ports, best vrm and mem support... Then you would get items at a better price from vendors: wifi 6 or not, cheap or more expensive audio solution, dual 10 gigabit Intel lan, m2 expansions... Probably wouldn't make sense for vendors but you would get only what you really needed.
With Asrock boards, 8 SATA is actually 6+2 where the "2" useable with a clause. If you use all 8 SATAs on Taichi, you'd loose one of your M.2 making it on par with Gigabyte boards with regards to SATA Taichi have 4 less USB 2.0 which is useful for low bandwith stuffs Taichi have 1 more USB 3 gen 1 port, but 1 less Gen 2 port. Slow device on fast port is okay, but fsat device ons slow port is not good. Taichi have one extra PCIE 1x (Ultra used it for Wifi) and also support for Ryzen with graphic processor which might be unnecessary extra for many.
And it also seems like the good purchase the more information that comes out. I just went ahead and made the buy myself. ASUS seems to be doing strange things and applying their Strix tax. ASRock is marginally tempting but coming in higher because of boutique features like TB3 which I don't have a use case for myself
I love this guy. Great in depth break down, he really knows his shit. At the same time he can put me right to sleep when I want to take nap. Lol. P.S. I ordered x570 Elite
I guess elite had worse RAM QVL then higher boards as it is only 4 layer PCB? I have to make 2 decisions: 1) x470 (MSI pro carbon or Asus Strix) or x570 (with active cooling) 2) If x570 I choosing between Gigabyte Elite, Gigabyte Pro or Asus TUF. Unfortunately Asus TUF dont have front usb-c and I want to buy Fractal R6 with usb-c on front panel. Also not sure if Asus has stop and go active cooling like Gigabyte. Gigabyte Elite has this 4 layers PCB (instead 6). And pro is higher price then other two with not so much changes to Elite not counting this PCB layers ;)... But I am close to Gigabyte pro asit has everything would i would like to have. Of course my biggest concerns for x570 is active cooling...
Really happy to see Giga get its common sense back, they were standing for a good choice in terms of equipment and durability to me without been to much overpriced but the last gen was a slaughter.
Since generally speaking the only voice you hear are that of people who have problems, wanted to comment that I use the Aquantia 10G on my ASRock X399 as my primary NIC since I got 10G Internet (not that I need multigig, but the ISP in the area does carrier grade NAT unless you're on a multigig plan). I'm using Linux and can't say I've personally experienced any of the alleged problems with the NIC and able to push 10G through it no problem. No idea if the drivers have just gotten fixed or if I just don't have a use pattern that exhibits the problems, but I personally think they're fine. Also using Aquantia on my NAS and Mac Mini with no issues.
WOW!! Linked heatpipes harking back to the original Maximus Extreme. Who'd have thunk'd it would work and be practically doable. 😔 They would all be removed for Koolance universal VRM blocks in my build anyway.... Deffo looks like I'm stuffed using my Prodigy M case for my first AMD build though....😥
Just ordered the Pro WIFI version to replace my MSI B550 gaming plus. Been having a lot of c0000005 errors while trying to game in DX12 which after some research and much testing I determined to be less than par VRM and DIMM slots. I will RMA my MSI board and hopefully the Gigabyte board will be a good upgrade.
Hi, Buildzoid. Thanks for these videos, they are helpful and hopefully save people money. I am curious why you often spend more time on the parts you say not to buy, and lest time on the parts you say are a better buy.
The Broadcom PEX88000 is actually a thing but made for datacenter hundred gig+ nics. However since PLX technologies - the company - was acquired by Broadcom, that was basically the end of PLX as you knew and loved it. Part of this process divested the 10GigE assets to Aquantia and thats how they exist now. But you can't go back in time now. Microsemi was supposed to fill the void and produce PCIe4 gen versions of their Switchtec product line, (but I can't find it online right now). The Diodes Inc PI3DBS16413ZHEX is actually available though. PCI-e 4.0 "PLX" named chips are not necessarily required because people are using smaller form factor Switches and Multiplexers (as was common on PCI-e 3.0 - the ASMedia chips come to mind) and if necessary fixing up the signal with ReDrivers and ReTimers.
I bought the xtreme purely based on looks. It's sexy af. And maybe a little because the passive cooling on the chipset. It also has a RGB controller and a RGB hub that I actually "need". It's not compatible with Corsair RGB fans though, but it looks like it'll work with my 3 RGB water blocks. I'll be building my loop soon. As for RAM, I was able to get 64GB of Ballistix to 3000 which were rated at 3200. It will boot at 3200 and I haven't tried too much yet, but I couldn't get it stable at that speed. Their QVL says it supports it at 3200 though, so dunno. I wish there were two internal USB2 connectors though because everything for fans, RGB and monitoring uses USB2. I had to buy an internal USB2 hub for 3x RGB hubs, PSU monitoring and the front panel.
Can anyone here confirm?... using optical-out from the mobo to a theater receiver ...same audio quality as these PCI-E & USB sound cards & DACs, right? Wrong? Been using this setup for years, but I've never owned an external PC DAC or soundcard to compare with.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking that jives with what I read years ago, & why I've been using/suggesting thrift-store 5.1 receivers, but I just wasn't sure anymore with everyone being so concerned with mobo codec quality & streamers all running these external DACs. Thx for the reply! Great vids, btw
Honestly, the vrm setup makes me want this board....+3 m.2 slots, all the usb ports are nice since I have a VR set up too...ordered thee aorus master this morning....
I can't watch videos this long. Usually. Yours, I watch them all, despite not wanting to buy a Ryzen 3000 series CPU or x570 mobo. Very good content, subscribed. (Not gonna rewatch/relisten to the vid, I already did at work :D).
the pro has 2 thermal sensor connectors. Nothing cheaper from any vendor of x570 has one. This makes it the ideal board for watercooling setups in my eyes.
@@Lead_Foot Which is a mistake of motherboard vendors. Why should my fans ramp up every time my cpu spikes because it is at 100% load when my water temp has not changed.
I have the itx board and 32gb ram. G. SKILL Ripjaws V 3200 for Intel. Got the sticks before ryzen 1st gen issues were found. On the Biostar X370 GTN was able to run at 2933 for years. I could not get his running higher than 2133 using either manual or XMP (profile 1 looked good). Finally installed Gigabytes OC windows app and was able to use it to get to 2933. Going to try 3200 today. Using F4h bios
Игры
*Timestamps*
Aorus X570 Xtreme - 00:00
Aorus X570 Master - 22:11
Aorus X570 Ultra - 33:12
Aorus X570 Pro/Pro Wifi - 41:12
Aorus X570 Elite - 43:08
Aorus X570I Pro Wifi - 55:09
Gigabyte X570 Gaming X - 1:05:18
Conclusion - 1:14:54
To the top!
Thank youuuu
thank you ;)
Thanks.
Gigabyte boards are now ALL the X570 boards? Weirdchamp
Gigabyte: Makes boards with horrible VRM's.
Buildzoid: Make better VRM's ffs.
Gigabyte: Makes boards with excellent VRM's.
Buildzoid: Make worse VRM's ffs.
if ur paying 700 dollars those vrms better be made diamond encrusted with ruby emerald caps
Yeah im so fed up with the Mobo and GPU and CPU gouging .....Even the RAM got in on the Raping of us Consumers and they got caught ....now if we could get Mobos caught for price fixing then you know cpu and GPU's would drop with in a few so they would not have a Big light on them....oh we can dream but who knows I read the FTC is looking into Gig and MSI for over steep pricing as the Reddit story said an investigation can NOT COME SOON ENOUGH for all of the major Players!! Cow}:-o)
The VRM heatsink on the x570 Aorus xtreme is as good as they come
I really need an update on Biostar X570 GT8 ; how good / bad it is compared to Aorus Elite X570 board.
matrixfull
8+4 IR3550 (60A) with a 35201 controller and 3599 doublers. Really impressive for APU LN2 OC ... or a rather useless layout.
Its still really good for 200€, but Im not so sure about the fan and the BIOS.
Buildzoid 1 year ago: I’M NOT A MEMORY OVERCLOCKING EXPERT BUT LETS EXPERIMENT
Buildzoid now: *SPENDS 40 MINUTES DISCUSSING RAM QVL*
Oh I'm still bad at RAM. That doesn't make high speeds in qvls any less interesting
Actually Hardcore Overclocking it doesn’t, yes. But it’s funny to see the contrast. I initially came to your channel exactly for ram oc and enjoyed my stay ever since touching it. Ty!
AN INTEL LAN INTEL LAN LAN LAN LAN LAN
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking why don't you just RAM it up your Overclock. Just kidding. What you consider 'bad' is extremely useful to PC illiterates like me. Loved the vid despite the fact I am passing on the new motherboards and sticking with my MSI X470 gaming pro carbon; bought it after your review - you were spot on, an amazing board! Besides, why bother with new boards decked out with fans? Rather wait to see what DDR5 boards bring to the table. And maybe they'll have more passively cooled chipsets by then - knock wood.
@@wattotoydarian9376 which cpu did you pair with?
Nothing beats saturday mornings with some ramblings and coffee!
Where can I get a motherboard where I won't have to worry about the fan breaking up? That allows me to have LAN parties but if there isn't enough cables I can switch to wi-fi? Where audio is awesome and I won't have to carry a seperate box? Where I can insert an additional capture card and a render card as well as GPU? That has really good cooling as I plan to overclock the fuck out of it? And if I ever get attacked at home, I could use the motherboard as a bullet proof vest?
*Gigabyte designing the aorus extreme*
so what features do you want on this board?
*The engineers* Y E S
And yet I don't recall any discussion on the amount of SATAs on it.
still has less than the hilarious MSI GOdlike
@@AbirZenith Exactly as funny as the Sams comment is it's blatantly false. Both Asrock and Asus are better specd and I've only owned Gigabyte for the last 20+ years. Now for the first time I have to consider other brand due to a LACK of features.
USB PORTS TOO
I'm glad you said that, I'm a complete been, I spent two months researching and have just built my first of, it's to do a little gaming, a little CAD, maybe a little animation and editing, I used an Elite with an R9 3900x choosing what board I needed was a nightmare I litterely knew nothing but so far most people in the know think I did well, you seem to like the board and you really seem to know your stuff so that's re-assuring!
Anyway some great vids from you, I got sent here from 'Pauls hardware" and am very interested in alot of your content your gained another subscriber today great work bud 👍👌👍
1:00:00 as a guy who has done multiple ITX build, having printers and external soundcard on an ITX build doesn't make sense. The point of the ITX build is to be as minimal and compact as possible, for space efficiency and portability. P.S. this is also why on-board audio is important, because it doesn't have to be as good as an external DAC; it just has to be good enough that you don't need to buy one.
Besides, if you're that needy for usb ports, you can always use a hub. Printers, soundcards, keyboard and mouse don't need the bandwidth. Even for webcams it is questionable to need a dedicated usb port. Although mouse and keyboard I can understand due to possible latency issues.
I finally decided to purchase a Raspberry Pi 4.
haha, this made me laugh xD
Good idea
XD
Thanks a lot man for makings these. You are really informative and entertaining to listen to. I don't know that much about motherboards so these are really helpful on deciding what x570 motherboard to get. Love from Finland!
Re Elite:
"If it had a post code, what more could you want?"
Which is how I think Gigabyte is segregating their motherboards: troubleshooting features. The higher you go, the more you get. Personally, I don't care about them, so the Elite is the perfect X570 for me. But for people who do, if they want Gigabyte, they're going to go higher and spend more
Tossing up between Asus TUF, Asus Strix F and MSI Gaming Carbon, finally settled for Gigabyte pro. Due to memory support for 64GB at 3600CL16 (on QVL list), Intel Lan, Wifi6, AC1220 sound and VRMs that run cooler thant the others. Thank you for your videos. Worked out to be around $430 AUD shipped, other boards were around $370 mark with compromises. The GB pro also came with the most USB ports. That row of 4, USB 2.0 is invaluable for keyboard, mouse, printer stacks, while still freeing up 3.0/3.1 slots.
I appreciate all the hard work you've done reviewing all vendors motherboards.
I have created a playlist of all buildzoid X570 board videos and shared it. So people will have a general plus, idea of what they should buy.
when is buildzoid going to start his own motherboard company? i'd buy one, a mobo that had only what i needed and none of the extra stuff that doesn't make sense
These mb companies should pay buildzoid to design a budget, midrange, high and extreme performance boards!
He'll do it for free.
He pretty much already did it for them already. They should pay their engineers to watch these videos *before* they brain-storm and design.
There's not a lot of money when being 100% honest
@@timothyandrewnielsen false.
Its actually the opposite.
When did the Diagnostic Display get to be such a luxury item? A few years ago they were on most boards.
Agreed. My Gigabyte Z87-UD4H was $75 in August 2013 (just two months after Haswell launch). Quality VRMs and Post code were standard and it was sub $100. I do think I got super spoiled by this motherboard though lol. And for full disclosure, it was $115-$40 (Microcenter promo); but hey. There is a certain irony that AMD boards are now pricier than the Intel boards I've used in the past. And that even includes the DFI LP UT P35 board - look at its launch price (lmao) - tho I ultimately got that for like $22X I believe.
The board cartel got together and agreed on a plan to segment the market to raise prices by limiting feature competition. You know, anti-capitalism at its best!!
(Last sentence added because I'm concerned that an entire generation is growing up wrongfully being told that greed is capitalism as apposed to a market-based method for the efficient allocation & investment of limited resources)
Dude i got. POS Gigabyte G1 z97 with debug display, post code bios FB Quick buttons c cmos, power reset dual bios dips, single bios dip $120 lol they are screwing us enthusiasts
Yeah those displays cost what ..a few cents?
and back when i got my first highend s754/939 AMD boards, they where 1000-1400dkk (150-200usd), these days same quality board cost you 2000+ dkk(300+ usd). So things change, and aparently electronics keeps getting WAY more expensive.
One thing to note that changed my mind: how many fan headers you need. I am running an air cooled build and need more fans in my build, so I went with the Pro over the Elite. The Elite has 3 fan headers I believe and the Pro Wifi has 7. Now I know you can always buy splitters and controllers, but in the end the extra headers/controllers would come close to just spending the extra to get the Pro (also "better" VRM and heatsinks are nice). Both are SOLID boards tho, love that Gigabyte improved in every way.
Could just get a fan hub, most pwm fan hub can support up to 3 fans from a board fan header, anything more look for those with sata powered pwm hub.
@@junyanchan1285 ...but then you have to deal with compatibility, mounting, and loss off a power cable.
Additionally, most of them with any features on them for any serious effects cost 60.00 dollars.
That's the cost of the board bump making it worth it alone, and that's before the feature bump.
@@formdoggie5 Obviously mobo fan headers is the least of your concern if you are taking about features. The sata power cable is the same cable that powered your hdd or 2.5 ssd, and those cable have 4 ports on a single cable that comes bundle with your PSU. If all else, get molex fan hub, not recommended.
A 3 port pwm fan hub cost around 5 bucks, 3 of them will only cost 15 and will powered up the elite up to 12+2 fans without the need of sata power. Side note, more fan doesn't equate to better cooling airflow path and air saturation are equally important. Just look up for Lian pc-o11 dynamic and air review.
Don't really understand why if all the VRM of the $300 board are so efficient mobo makers can't make it go the way of the extreme by passively cooling the chipset.
Yeah, I don't know the cost of a heatpipe & sink fins vs a fan & flat hunk of aluminum... but it can't be much, right?
Hope we see a ton of Rev.2 releases right away in the coming months after all the "chipset fans suck" responses. If they're listening...
@John Chrysostom oh I remember fo sho... I hated SB/NB mini fans back 17yrs ago with NV chipsets on Barton mobos, & was glad to see passive cooling come about. I just don't know the cost difference, which I'm guessing cost savings is the deciding factor for the vendors on everything.
@@Krazie-Ivan You would be surprised how much cheaper a hunk of extrusion and 2 cuts get, to stamped, folded and assembled aluminum fins and a heatpipe with 5 bends to snake to the chipset.
You need to assemble differently too , VRM and chipset have to be mounted at the same time , not in 2 different steps
Concerning your rant about LAN, WiFi, Sound cards, USB and PCIe expansions, on paper I totally agree with you. Most of the "features" included on modern motherboards are going to waste. I too would rather use my own sound card/WiFi card/10GB LAN card and so on - frankly even the standard back IO ports should be customizable in my opinion - however in practice it would require motherboard manufacturers to come up with a new standard to replace the ATX standard and its derivatives. Unfortunately manufacturers will always be reluctant to invest into new standards - no matter how much better things might be either for them or their customers - because changes to the end product means changes in manufacturing process, huge costs and taking the risk that the customers might end up just as reluctant to change.
If it were $399, I'd buy the Aorus Xtreme. But $699 for a motherboard is just ridiculous. They should have slapped the same cooling solution on the Aorus Master.
Plz keep these review/oppenion peaces up. They make it a LOT easyer to go truth all the bullcrap marketing from the mobo vendors, when picking boards.
Only just found your channel but I love how you do such long videos with actually something to say :)
I've now watched all four rambling videos, now can you do a roundup video of the top 3 or 4 from all vendors?
That would be great, something like what is best at what price range kinda thing.
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The audio components Gigabyte uses in the Aorus Xtreme are the same parts you'll find in high end external DACs. You'd have to spend a lot on an external soundcard to get something equal, let alone better. The Apogee Duet 2 for example uses the same chipset and overall very similar components (it doesn't get much better or more expensive than WIMA and Nichicon after all), and costs more than this entire board.
I just want to say that I appreciate your long and rambling videos because they are the most informative and more real videos I have seen to date by anyone. (I am new to this world and trying to learn to make sure I get the most value for my money at any price point.) to many videos just promote whoever is cutting the check at the time.
There is a difference between an influencer and a reviewer. Personally I prefer a true reviewer.
This comment is in regard to the “how videos with you and gamers nexus videos work”video.
Thank you for picking the motherboard round up regardless if you’d buy any or not. It’s about the review and being informative for people.
Picking the boards that most normies would choose to purchase and giving them insight into it. And BTW I’m def a normie and don’t find that offensive at all. Who cares what the winey thin skinned people who get offended when the wind blows think.
Just feel like someone should say thank you instead of all of these people who want to be negative about videos. If you don’t like it don’t watch it. But they sure aren’t taking the time to produce their own. And even if they did probably would have no where near the knowledge on the subject.
So again thank you! I have watched several of your very long videos because I actually appreciate the true informative breakdown.
Btw I am building a more workstation based computer. I do want the usb-c front connection. I have a 5600x 4x8 Corsair vengeance pro lian li Evo case corsair 850 watt psu. 10 lian li Al fans and a cheap 240mm aio. But it has the highest air flow I could find in what I wanted to spend. I’ll be running 3 x nvme 1tb Ssd and 1 4tb hhd. I have an evga 3060 black Xc GPU but it keeps going to black screens and windows gives a device error and turned off error code. Code 46 or something like that. Any advice why it’s spoiling up to max then screen goes black?
And also what do you recommend for a mother board that is semi on the mid budget side. I doubt I’ll be running anything that needs true pcie 4.0 all nvme drives will be pcie 3 to be honest. I don’t want to spend 300+ on a mother board. And may consider going to a Radeon 6600xt or 6650xt.
Aorus should release an X570 Master Buildzoid edition 🤔
I would pay 399 for it!
@@DarkPa1adin I would envy and admire those who bought it. It will cost 799 though :-(
@@shinymike4301 that's the Xtreme edition of buildzoid.
Buildzoid doesn't need all the feature. If you give him WiFi 6 then he doesn't need 10gbps LAN or even 2.5gbps LAN. and he doesn't need top of the line on board sound card. So these saves him a lot of money :p
DarkPa1adin They'd probably want $449
@@DarkPa1adin That's true. BZ is all about value.
I'm glad to hear you think the Pro Wifi is decent. I ordered one a couple days ago when NEGG got the 3700x back in stock. I was a little worried about picking it before your Gigabyte vid was out, but thought it looked reasonable based on the other brand vids. I picked it over the Elite mainly based on cooling control. The Elite has 4 fan/pump headers while the Pro has 7. I also like the finned VRM heatsink. I picked the Pro over the comparable Asrock boards due to the G.Skill 3600 CL16 memory I already picked up for the upgrade not being on Asrock's tiny QVL.
Edit: I picked it over the 400 series because selection is thin right now and the MSI ones I like best seem to be hit or miss on BIOS issues. Just played it safe and set up for if PCIE 4 actually starts becoming useful in the boards life.
YEEEEESSS!!! I've waited this for soo looong!!!!
I wish high-end motherboards wouldnt try so hard on audio. The kind of enthusiast that they target with a $700 board is probably already using an external DAC of some kind. And if you're spending that much, and you're not using an external DAC, you probably should be. Personally, I use the SPDIF out to a surround receiver. All a motherboard really needs to have is the front panel audio, which is just for convenience.
The Pro gets water cooling temperature sensor pins over the Elite, which is nice.
Why even a post code on board when you can buy a external post code display plugged on to the tpm header. I think this is more convenient and is possible on almost all mobo's.
Bought the Aorus Ultra would never go to bios screen. Returned and waiting on another one. Hope round 2 goes better
I decided to buy PRO or ELITE by watching this video.
In Japan, AORUS PRO is priced close to Steel Legend and TUF GAMING (WI-FI), and ELITE is the same price as Pro4 from ASRock.
Thank you Buildzoid and Gigabyte
Same man,but going for Pro bcs it have better quality vrm same as Ultra and as such better OC. :)
+ better heatsinks
yes I love Gigabyte's Fins-Array Heatsink but...I can't decide whchi to buy because I don't have much money
@@Yorkfield if you dont have enough money then getting Gigabyte Elite is the best choice.
A comment on this and several other mobo reviewers criticizing inclusion of WiFi: Keep in mind that many people live in apartments or even rented rooms, and do not have the option of stringing LAN cables everywhere much less drilling holes in the wall. WiFi is everywhere, and many of us need it. The higher-end protocols are now good enough for most gaming. There is nothing to complain about when a mobo includes WiFi. Especially not in the same breath as criticizing the boards for a lack of PCIe slots. You can't reasonably say there aren't enough yet also suggest that one of them should be wasted on a WiFi card. Not when there are so many other needs some of us are apt to have for the slots (2nd video card; Thunderbolt, or if you want to wait for it, then USB 4; RAID controller; dedicated streaming encoder; even a sound card, if you're tired of having external devices piling up on your desk but you want better-than-integrated sound. As an extra, we almost always also get BlueTooth with the integrated WiFi, too. So, having this on the mobo kills two PCIe-wasting birds with one stone, yet requires very little mobo space, and adds little to the cost. If you don't need WiFi and want to save $25 or whatever, then get a mobo without that feature; there are plenty. To me, this anti-mobo-WiFi talk is like criticizing the inclusion of USB Type C just because some people won't need it.
Some of Buildzoid's specific other assumptions are just wrong. 1) No, 1x PCIe isn't plentiful. Various boards today have 0-2 of them, due to 3+ M.2 slots and 3+ x16 PCIe taking them up. Very few boards today ship with x4 or x8 slots, either. 2) If you do need the WiFi as your Internet access, you may also need the LAN, which is great for connecting directly to a NAS (many of which do not have WiFi and would be slower that way if they did), even if your cabled LAN is just between these two devices and has nothing to do with the Internet. 3) If you do need the LAN as your Internet access, you may also need the WiFi, since various of your devices (phone, etc.) do not have LAN connectivity and are inconvenient when hooked up to a USB cable (or only have that for charging not data), and in a group-living environment, you may not have sufficient control over your accesspoint/router to bridge the LAN and WiFi. The US homeownership rate among "households" is only about 65%, and is much lower at the individual level. All of this is before we even consider usage of computer products in less Westernized/industrialized countries, where there often is no hard-wired Internet access to homes, and all there is for most people is WiFi.
i got x570 elite makes the most sense
how is the fan noise?
I have almost silent PC, so I have nothing that would 'cover' fan noise with different noise
@@DJRYGAR1 inaudible, i got all the noctua case fans and nh-u12s-se on 3700x and i couldnt rally complain about noise
Same. Works amazing. And all set if full pcie 4.0 gpus become a thing in a few years
I bought that Board a week ago,and i am still confused how it idles at 1.46v or more..
I have applied negative offset of 0.1,disabled PBO and whatever LLC i choose it cant let go those absurd voltages..Did i choose wrong board?
Socially Impaired Gaming Nvidia 3000 series are 4.0 if I’m not mistaken
Note the QVL has significantly changed as at the latest available date (Feb 18th, 2020). The highest memory speed on the QVL that supports using all four sockets is now 4000 MHz with BALLISTIX BLE8G4D40BEEAK.M8FE1.
Was hoping for diagnostic code panel and all the rear buttons at the Aorus Pro or Ultra price point, especially given Gigabyte's history of past boards. Being forced to step up to the Master (which is practically the top of the stack since the Xtreme is madness) for those features is meh on their end.
Guess will have to live with it if I get one of those boards. Now to wait for all the BIOS updates and see how the motherboards fares after all the AGESA updates...
Have a x570 master here. Took one of those 3200mhz 32gb lpx kits from corsair and out of the box painlessly brought it to 3733. Id imagine I could go higher but memory overclocking on this thing is really really nice. 18-19-19-39? I think are the timings. Literally just copied the timings from the 3600 kit they sell. One warning about this mobo is that the memory voltage tends to run a bit hot and give a bit more voltage than what is indicated - 0.15 or 0.10v higher for what its worth.
picked up the master wit my 3900x. boosts at 4.25ghz on all 12 cores in games.
How the chipset cooler feels? Noisy?
How does it compare to running on stock?
Was this video recorded this Pre- or Post-Gigabyte kidnapping?
Hovey Lu i believe pre
What did I miss?
RyuGTX Hey, could one of you guys please explain what you mean by this? Thanks
Thanx for the walk through of the boards. It helped me to pick my new mobo. Here in Canada The Aorus Elite is around $300.00 and a decent board by all means. Be well.
About the itx board and USB:
I wanted the Asus cause it has more usb and fans for the chipset and vrm, but they were too lazy to tell anyone when or if it was coming out, or a price point. So they lost my business
Basically the same with me. I'd have gone for strix x570 itx or even the crosshair viii impact if the price was alright but no price + no release date = no sale. Gigabyte's i/o is bizarre (I mean who would seriously use dp and 2x hdmi on an apu) but I took the usb hit and have no regrets.
Buildzoid discusses all the Biostar X570 motherboards.
pls Actually Hardcore Overclocking vrm tier list with all infos =)
uncooled vrms , bad vrms #
this
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wmsTYK9Z3-jUX5LGRoFnsZYZiW1pfiDZnKCjaXyzd1o/htmlview?sle=true#gid=2112472504&fvid=380807963. Here’s a list...
www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f12/amd-3rd-gen-am4-mainboards-vrm-liste-x570-p560-b550-a520-a420-1228904.html
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d9_E3h8bLp-TXr-0zTJFqqVxdCR9daIVNyMatydkpFA/edit#gid=639584818
Quincy wow, big thank you for that. That’s impressive.
Learning, and being informed, is never done quick. Thank you for making the time.
been researching for days now. What mobo did you end up with?
Hi guys one important thing here. My gpu msi rx480 died and i send it on warranty. In this shop works a guy i know for some time and i start talking about new ryzen cpus and i said that i heard gigabyte is making best boards for new ryzen. He told me to never buy gigbyte mobo and stuf not because it's bad but because their customer service is very bad and many time when people go for warranty if something died etx gigabyte told them kind a to f-off. I don't know how it looks in other countries but here in Poland i was told is well known issue for pc hardware shops.
So if as buildzoiod say most mobo are similar before buying i would go to shop and ask with mobo maker is less painfull to deal with when something brake. (sry for my english)
Never closed "Buildzoid comes on monster VRM" so fast
Most professionals want to know which of these boards run unix or linux out of the box ? The monopoly of MS 10 has come and gone.
1:01:43 buildzoid: "eww"
OMG I've been waiting for this!!! Thanks, Buildzoid!
I am thankful for the intel and AMD Wi-Fi+BT solutions because their Bluetooth support is solid for the devices I use (headphones, raspi, cycling trainer)
Watches all x570 videos, doesn't want any x570s :) And glad you said what I was thinking why not make new B450 board now with Ryzen 3000 out of box. Yes there is MSI MAX series coming, but it's just old motherboard with new bios chip. ASRock released their B450 Steel Legend a couple months too early, it could have been the X570 version with B450 chip and be much cheaper and as good (and no fan).
B450 Recommends?
@@Targetlockon I'd wait for those MSI MAX refreshes, B450 Tomahawk MAX for ATX and B450M Mortar MAX for mATX. If you want WiFi and good audio, then MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC (I would have bought that, sadly mATX case, so no go). But if you got a Ryzen chip already to be used for BIOS update, then other manufacturers work too.
@11:30 those pci-e lanes come from somewhere, from chipset for example, which creates a limited number of lanes. If you want to add more slots, you may have to disable other features of the chipset like extra m.2 connectors or sata ports.
@13:00 They used to sell full retail 10g cards with the Aquantia chipset for around 70-75$ so the chip itself is probably much cheaper in volume, let's say 30-40$... but who knows, they were recently bought by Marvell so maybe they raised the prices
@14:20 Someone could connect the 10g network card directly to a NAS and then use WiFi 6 for internet connection. The 1 gbps could be used for separate/internal private LAN in a business somewhere. Well, sure, few are actually gonna buy this motherboard for an office workstation. This being said, I agree with you that they should design the wireless card to be optional/removable.
Fun fact: at 51:21 there is a 3600MHz GSkill RAM of FOUR 16GB sticks.
And on Aorus Elite they have only been tested with 2 of them while on Aorus Pro and up whey were tested with all 4 sticks at that speed.
Only think I would pull you up on is the need for more USB ports - in this day an age do you really need a USB port for printer, just go wireless, the board includes sma wifi connectors too - so no need for a USB wifi dongle, it has bluetooth integrated also. So mouse, keyboard, web cam are the essentials for most people?
Long but good video, only listened to the last 10mins or so but that gives everything I needed, thanks!
If more parts of the motherboard were hot-swappable (like sound bits/LAN/wifi), that would be fantastic. Honestly, the only reason I ever even thought of getting the Xtreme is because it looks amazing. If that design was on a board half the price I'd be the first to buy one.
completely agree many of these features should be add on cards but they dont want this because if its on board you buy it once and when you change your platform you will buy the stuff again with your next motherboard.
If it would all be add on cards you would never ever need an expensive motherboard.
Gigabyte's X570 UD must be fairly recent. Pretty much seems to be a slightly lower cost Gaming X. Albeit with the first x1 slot moved to where the second m.2 is, a x4 slot in place of the last x1, no second m.2 slot and less fan headers. ALC887 is from 2008 btw, if I remember correctly.
See, I'm completely on board with these super high end boards that aren't sensible purchases on release. Like with all tech, R&D costs have to be recouped as best they can early on. Anyone buying this kind of board at retail prices knows what they are buying into. The second aspect of this is simply trickle down tech. It takes much longer for better technologies to reach "mainstream" consumers if there is no halo product for R&D cost recoupment or long term, real world, end user testing and development. Third, prices go down, typically fairly quickly, on products like this if you know where to look. To see a barely used or even unused board like this one grey market for 66.7% of its original cost within only 4 months or so is actually not uncommon. Some people buy these boards for various reasons and then want to get rid of them only to find they can't get anywhere close to what they paid for it. The niche within the niche that is willing to buy it at a crazy high price is also extremely unlikely to buy it other than brand new through an authorized retailer.
i just like them because it's cool to see the tech. would i ever buy one? hell no but it's still cool to see how far motherboards have come over the last 20 years as far as features go.
I have AsRock Fatal1ty Z370 Professional Gaming i7 motherboard right now.
I had it running with all of the following at the same time:
2x GPUs
3x M.2 NVMe SSDs
2x PCIe x4 USB hubs (x1 slots are open ended, so despite x4 end was on top of M.2 SSD in the top slot it still worked
And I even had the very bottom PCIe slot empty (wanted to install another GPU, but PSU was on its way, so will not use until moving into bigger case).
And motherboard has one 10G Ethernet port and even 2 more 1G ports on the back side without expansion cards.This is what I call a good I/O. It was an expensive motherboard when it was new, but at least it has a full set of necessary ports and slots.
WIth that in mind, X750 Aorus Extreme's layout is just misunderstanding. Why buying $700 USD with just 3 PCIe slots???
Thanks maaaaan! I can finally order the Master for 4x8Gb SS DIMMs setup. Was so afraid that Daisy Chain would prevent this...i really want to be able to go 4000Mhz low latency with forced IF clocks
4000MHz on ryzen is bad because you have to run the fclk de-synced and that causes a latency hit lowering performance
Buildzoid rambles lol. Love it.
So, I've watched a decent amount of your videos, either here on or GN, and I really don't understand how you don't have more subscribers.
So um, yeah.
But um, yeah.
And um, yeah.
Gotta love these Buildzoid videos. So um, anyway, yeah.
thanks for the video. turns out that from the QVL that my four CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 wont work in the Elite (acording to the list). But, the Pro and upwards dont have a problem.
Buildzoid just wants usb and pcie on the board, that's literally a server board
Server boards lack in the USB department
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking yeah, true. They lack pretty much any external IO except ethernet, but you know what I mean: not many unnecessary extras and lots of pcie expansion
If it doesn't have BMC and ECC support (even unregistered), then it's not a proper server board for a professional environment.
And BTW, a USB hub is quite enough for slow peripherals such as keyboard, mouse, printer. Finally, like soundcard, lan or sata ports there are USB extention PCIe cards too or some dirt cheap PCI bracket to connect internal USB headers to the rear just like people sometimes does with the COM serial connector.
I have a Gigabyte 2011 socket board, with some 11 usb's, and not all the internal headers are even utilised. That would suggest IO is good on "prosumer" boards.
Buildzoid: You mentioned Nanya RAM on the Extreme's QVL, and seemed surprised. I've never heard anything about Nanya - was your reaction meant to be positive or negative?
Do video on X470 boards that could handle r9 3950x
I upgraded to an x470 Crosshair VII Wifi a few days ago. It was either Aorus Elite or Tuf Gaming Wifi for x570 or Gaming 7 Wifi, Taichi or the crosshair for x470. There was an outside chance for the x470 rog strix if none of the boards I really wanted were available. Went for the Crosshair for the extra features. The price was the same. At least when I ordered, as I got it on sale. Will put a 12/16 core in there down the line, otherwise I could have gone with a cheaper less overkill board.
1:14:45 phone ringing!
I have been waiting this for a week.
I'm debating about getting the Aorus Master board or the Asus Crossheir XIII Hero (non-WiFi version). I would like to get back with Gigabyte again after their new BIOS revamp, but I also read that Gigabyte boards don't work too well with G.Skill... Which I do plan on getting. The Gigabyte Aorus Master also has lower ratings than the Asus Crossheir too according to Amazon. Any thoughts? Will be planning a 3950X editing rig with it.
I know my Asus Z370i is really good with USB ports. Never really had a problem with it, and I have a keyboard, mouse, USB DAC, monitor USB hub, Printer, flight stick, throttle stick, and VR setup and still have a few USB slots left over, not to mention front panel USB ports.
Guys, I feel we need a very modular motherboard. No sound, no wifi, no lan, few usb ports, best vrm and mem support... Then you would get items at a better price from vendors: wifi 6 or not, cheap or more expensive audio solution, dual 10 gigabit Intel lan, m2 expansions... Probably wouldn't make sense for vendors but you would get only what you really needed.
With Asrock boards, 8 SATA is actually 6+2 where the "2" useable with a clause. If you use all 8 SATAs on Taichi, you'd loose one of your M.2 making it on par with Gigabyte boards with regards to SATA
Taichi have 4 less USB 2.0 which is useful for low bandwith stuffs
Taichi have 1 more USB 3 gen 1 port, but 1 less Gen 2 port.
Slow device on fast port is okay, but fsat device ons slow port is not good.
Taichi have one extra PCIE 1x (Ultra used it for Wifi) and also support for Ryzen with graphic processor which might be unnecessary extra for many.
I want a rambling of all mITX boards but only gigabyte is out.
And it also seems like the good purchase the more information that comes out. I just went ahead and made the buy myself. ASUS seems to be doing strange things and applying their Strix tax. ASRock is marginally tempting but coming in higher because of boutique features like TB3 which I don't have a use case for myself
I love this guy. Great in depth break down, he really knows his shit. At the same time he can put me right to sleep when I want to take nap. Lol.
P.S.
I ordered x570 Elite
I guess elite had worse RAM QVL then higher boards as it is only 4 layer PCB? I have to make 2 decisions:
1) x470 (MSI pro carbon or Asus Strix) or x570 (with active cooling)
2) If x570 I choosing between Gigabyte Elite, Gigabyte Pro or Asus TUF. Unfortunately Asus TUF dont have front usb-c and I want to buy Fractal R6 with usb-c on front panel. Also not sure if Asus has stop and go active cooling like Gigabyte. Gigabyte Elite has this 4 layers PCB (instead 6). And pro is higher price then other two with not so much changes to Elite not counting this PCB layers ;)... But I am close to Gigabyte pro asit has everything would i would like to have. Of course my biggest concerns for x570 is active cooling...
Really happy to see Giga get its common sense back, they were standing for a good choice in terms of equipment and durability to me without been to much overpriced but the last gen was a slaughter.
Decided! I will order Aorus X570 Xtreme as I have the frame for this board already.
WHICH RAM U WILL BRING ?
@@ammarbargothi6527 Looking at CMT32GX4M4K3600C16 (32GB should be sufficient)
That intro made me laugh so hard, LOL. Don't change!
Finally! I've been waiting for this for a while! :-D
Since generally speaking the only voice you hear are that of people who have problems, wanted to comment that I use the Aquantia 10G on my ASRock X399 as my primary NIC since I got 10G Internet (not that I need multigig, but the ISP in the area does carrier grade NAT unless you're on a multigig plan). I'm using Linux and can't say I've personally experienced any of the alleged problems with the NIC and able to push 10G through it no problem. No idea if the drivers have just gotten fixed or if I just don't have a use pattern that exhibits the problems, but I personally think they're fine. Also using Aquantia on my NAS and Mac Mini with no issues.
WOW!! Linked heatpipes harking back to the original Maximus Extreme. Who'd have thunk'd it would work and be practically doable. 😔
They would all be removed for Koolance universal VRM blocks in my build anyway....
Deffo looks like I'm stuffed using my Prodigy M case for my first AMD build though....😥
Just ordered the Pro WIFI version to replace my MSI B550 gaming plus. Been having a lot of c0000005 errors while trying to game in DX12 which after some research and much testing I determined to be less than par VRM and DIMM slots. I will RMA my MSI board and hopefully the Gigabyte board will be a good upgrade.
Hi, Buildzoid. Thanks for these videos, they are helpful and hopefully save people money. I am curious why you often spend more time on the parts you say not to buy, and lest time on the parts you say are a better buy.
The Broadcom PEX88000 is actually a thing but made for datacenter hundred gig+ nics. However since PLX technologies - the company - was acquired by Broadcom, that was basically the end of PLX as you knew and loved it. Part of this process divested the 10GigE assets to Aquantia and thats how they exist now. But you can't go back in time now. Microsemi was supposed to fill the void and produce PCIe4 gen versions of their Switchtec product line, (but I can't find it online right now). The Diodes Inc PI3DBS16413ZHEX is actually available though. PCI-e 4.0 "PLX" named chips are not necessarily required because people are using smaller form factor Switches and Multiplexers (as was common on PCI-e 3.0 - the ASMedia chips come to mind) and if necessary fixing up the signal with ReDrivers and ReTimers.
I bought the xtreme purely based on looks. It's sexy af. And maybe a little because the passive cooling on the chipset. It also has a RGB controller and a RGB hub that I actually "need". It's not compatible with Corsair RGB fans though, but it looks like it'll work with my 3 RGB water blocks. I'll be building my loop soon. As for RAM, I was able to get 64GB of Ballistix to 3000 which were rated at 3200. It will boot at 3200 and I haven't tried too much yet, but I couldn't get it stable at that speed. Their QVL says it supports it at 3200 though, so dunno. I wish there were two internal USB2 connectors though because everything for fans, RGB and monitoring uses USB2. I had to buy an internal USB2 hub for 3x RGB hubs, PSU monitoring and the front panel.
Can anyone here confirm?... using optical-out from the mobo to a theater receiver ...same audio quality as these PCI-E & USB sound cards & DACs, right? Wrong?
Been using this setup for years, but I've never owned an external PC DAC or soundcard to compare with.
If you use optical out you're using the DAC built into the receiving device
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking that jives with what I read years ago, & why I've been using/suggesting thrift-store 5.1 receivers, but I just wasn't sure anymore with everyone being so concerned with mobo codec quality & streamers all running these external DACs. Thx for the reply! Great vids, btw
Hope that Gigabyte Teams hear your tips! Thanks!
the onboard sound is allegedly good and has a dac - those red pieces.
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Well done Buildzoid!
Finally!! Been waiting for this one!!
Pro vs elite, 6 layer vs 4 layer PCB and Pro has 4400oc ram support vs 4000oc
Honestly, the vrm setup makes me want this board....+3 m.2 slots, all the usb ports are nice since I have a VR set up too...ordered thee aorus master this morning....
I can't watch videos this long. Usually. Yours, I watch them all, despite not wanting to buy a Ryzen 3000 series CPU or x570 mobo. Very good content, subscribed. (Not gonna rewatch/relisten to the vid, I already did at work :D).
the pro has 2 thermal sensor connectors. Nothing cheaper from any vendor of x570 has one. This makes it the ideal board for watercooling setups in my eyes.
Quite often not every fan header can use temp sensors as a source for the fan curve.
@@Lead_Foot Which is a mistake of motherboard vendors. Why should my fans ramp up every time my cpu spikes because it is at 100% load when my water temp has not changed.
55:10 The ITX One
I have the itx board and 32gb ram. G. SKILL Ripjaws V 3200 for Intel. Got the sticks before ryzen 1st gen issues were found. On the Biostar X370 GTN was able to run at 2933 for years. I could not get his running higher than 2133 using either manual or XMP (profile 1 looked good). Finally installed Gigabytes OC windows app and was able to use it to get to 2933. Going to try 3200 today. Using F4h bios
Thanks, I'm getting the Elite.