Couldn't believe there were no time stamps... here's my attempt... but as we know, the man has been known to ramble a bit here and there :) INTRO // 00:01 - 01:51 X670E TAICHI CARRARA - X670E TAICHI // 01:52 X670E STEEL LEGEND // 10:01 X670E PG LIGHTNING // 19:12 Some back and forth rambling // 24:58 X670E PRO RS // 28:15 B650E TAICHI // 33:21 B650E STEEL LEGEND WIFI // 40:52 B650E PG RIPTIDE WIFI // 45:38 B650E PG ITX WIFI // 51:35 B650 LIVE MIXER // 57:36 B650 PRO RS // 1:01:20 B650 PG LIGHTNING // 1:03:10 B650M PG RIPTIDE // 1:10:00 WHICH BOARD BUILDZOID LIKES BEST (for this line-up) // 1:20:12 FINAL THOUGHTS // 1:24:09
they are I went from 5950x 2021 to 12900k 2022 I use cpu affinity heavily with process lasso profiles because I constantly multi task modding video editing in the background, on amd I set ccx2 cores for that and it worked great, on intel the e-cores drag your p-cores down under use, next week I'm on am5 intel ddr5 is beta-state unstable I never had so many apps quitting really unreliable, I know I'm going to lose fps for gaming but for once in my life I don't care those fps are not worth spendin almost 2k in a trash "we don't know what we do" plateform that ddr5 intel is
@@fredEVOIX Intel’s ddr5 is WAY better this gen, and overclockers have already shown they can pretty reliably get mem clocks way higher than on am5, sorry your sticks are bad? With regards to e-core I’d definitely consider turning them off on windows 10
@@fredEVOIX sounds like either you didn’t buy sticks according to QVL or you didn’t test for stability after OC. I have a Unify-X and have zero issues with DDR5.
Yes I love how the technical analysis becomes completely questionable due to the insertion of opinions based on heavy biases alone. Really helps with the creators credibility.
i really missed this kind of content, it's odd that i actually don't watch some of the short videos but i'm willing to sit an hour and a half to hear you rambling on motherboards
Hi Buildzoid, Brian from ASRock (Malaysia) here - can always reach out to me if you need to know more about the specs. B650M PG Riptide for example is 6 layer PCB. Oh as for the B650M PG Riptide - used 7950X on it as well, not a problem. Ran Cinebench R23 10 minute multi-core workload test with results about 1% difference from running on X670E Taichi Carrara. 🙂
Hi Brian, can you tell the bios guys to fix the unbearable training times on AsRock boards? With Memory context restore it is still over 30 secs post...
@@goldfries all the bioses. 650e pg-itx, but its general asrock problem. See forums. Asrock tech support says it's amd issue, but after switching to Asus, I have 9 seconds POST and debug LEDs that show the training is skipped.
Rambling about x manufacturer's motherboards is the kind of content I really like to see. The view counts might not reach your expections, but for long time viewers the hour+ of rambling beats anything else on youtube.
Unfortunately his content is for a very niche audience. Safe to say there isn't much overlap between BZ and LTT. ;-p It wouldn't bother me so much if LTT was just treated as the entertainment channel that it is; it's the fact that they try to pass themselves off as not only a tech channel, but a tech authority channel, that pisses me off.
ASRock got a patent during the Z77 era for a weird PCB lattice manufacturing process that makes equal-layer PCBs feel thinner on ASRock than competitors. It was pretty heavily advertised with the Z77 Extreme4.
"I don't like ASRock's designs, I don't like AM5, I'd rather run Intel"-- Which makes this video just about pointless. Fortunately, some people buy CPU's for things other 160 FPS gaming, and for us, AM5 Ryzen 7000 is a pretty nice platform. I didn't have to sell my kidneys for DDR5, and I don't need a 20A circuit to allow my CPU to hit full speed (OK-- I exaggerate. A little).
I totally agree about the E cores, I passed on the e cores and DDR5 in my latest build (April). My build price essentially doubled when I went from i5 12500, DDR4, B660 board, $30 air cooler to an i5 12600K, DDR5, Z690, and an AiO to cool it. I would have been spending almost 100% more money for maybe 15% increased performance. Once I started actually caring about value OCing went straight out the window for me. I get it as a hobby though, it makes a good one and people spend far more on other hobbies.
Buildzoid I would like to hear you cover other motherboard manufacturers in the same matter as this video, it was great to see your perspective and methodology of choosing motherboards.
Looks kind of like it *IS* dazzle. To hide the vast expanse of mostly-empty PCB that seems to only exist to impress people who think themselves too good for mATX.
He did a fantasy motherboard video about a year ago, and I guess his ideal AM5 motherboard would basically be that, with an AM5 socket. If I remember correctly, it has no chipset (so it's like an X300 motherboard), just a load of PCIe switches so everything can be connected directly to the CPU. It might have been that there was a chipset, but that it's only used for SATA and USB.
Well, the pro RS has place for 4 full speed NVME SSDs, that is where the lines have gone. While I basically agree with you on "Why the hell use a new slot type?", I have to say having space for them is important. In theory 2 M.2 slots are enough. In practice, by the end of platform life you may have to add some storage several times and have a zoo of different SSDs... That is what I tend to get. And for me 2 x1 slots are enough to get my audio card and its additional surround card slotted. On the other hand you care for SATA while having even 2 sata is enough for me since basically my HDD storage is NAS or a single HDD for media. Its interesting how different the requirements are for different people. Good there are different MBs to suit us all =)
@@thepathnotfound nu audio pro. I don't really use thr surrond part though. Its just a source for my monitor speakers and headphones. Its kinda nice yet I should have taken that top of the line creative card for better support and drivers
The Taichi Carrara is kind of good looking imo like the white marble, black and gold accents color scheme is my vibe but its sooo half arsed. They didn't even print something on the board and there is not enough gold. If you want to make a baller mobo that has white marble and gold styling go all in.
I was about to buy the x670e lightining, seeing that it was the cheapest x670e board out there, but then I changed my mind. Guess the camouflage worked too well on my eyes.
I also don't understand why we need so many m.2 slots. I mean having PCIe card slots is just straight more flexible. And if you really want a tone of m.2 just use a PCIe to m.2 adapter.
I guess m.2 slots are easier to understand than adapters. And the difference in price between sata and NVMe ssd is kinda small(most volumes), spend 10% more and get 3x faster transfer speed. I would not mind if the bottom 3 slots were x4 wired, but the way some motherboards are laid out and thick GPUs, that would probably never happen. For my next build I’m planning to get an APU on an ITX board that supports bifurcation and a 4x x4 NVMe pcie card. I have not seen a mainstream platform motherboard that lets you use both a x16 wired slot and a x8 wired slot at the same time, which would force you to put the GPU in a x4 slot.
Love these videos. The Pro RS, steel legend, and Taichi are bangers imo but the price of the platform as a whole is definitely to expensive. The only benefit I see in going AM5 is being able to drop in new cpus in the future, especially if X3D models come out.
I got an AS Rock X670E motherboard on day one for about $250 along with a 7900. I was most interested in the direct to CPU PCIE 5x16 for the graphics card and direct to CPU PCIE 5x4 for the SSD. Should have lots of future proofing. As you know they are starting to place games on the graphics card VRAM as well as other stuff. This will become more important in the future. Works great but you have to use the CPU graphics port for Bios mode.
"As you know they are starting to place games on the graphics card VRAM" Who is? People who create VRAM disks for the sake of experiments? You might have meant something else (maybe related to directstorage?), but no-one who's trying to use a sensible configuration is "placing" games in VRAM.
@@nathangamble125 Pretty sure he means directstorage. Compressed data goes straight from memory to Vram instead of getting decompressed by the cpu first.
Personally, it doesn't have to make sense now, but it definitely should in 4 years. 4 years from now, assuming amd keeps it's promise, I can just drop in a 10600x and get the uplift without an entire new platform. If I go intel, I'm stuck with raptor lake being my last chip upgrade, and I'd have to still buy ddr5 to upgrade.
That' assuming current motherboards are up to par with 10000 series Ryzen CPU's or motherboard needs stay the same. 4 years is a lot of time in tech and the motherboards at Ryzens launch really aren't up to par with the b550's and AMD really dragged it's feet on letting older motherboards support newer Cpus.
@@macht242 It's the knowledge to know that I can take a 5600 and drop it in a b350 board if I absolutely needed to. There's a path for upgrades without requiring me to throw my old one out. I can take a 1600ae and a b350 board and have a clear upgrade path without just building an entire new system. And I still feel that part of the reason motherboards at ryzens launch were ass was because of amd. No one knew ryzen was going to work out and now just another bulldozer. So motherboard makers didn't want to go all in. by b550 ryzen had all the market share it needed to get feature complete boards.
I'm honestly pretty confused on the whole AM5 motherboard chipset product line. I was expecting B650 to be the cheap boards but also make a lot of compromises and feature cuts in order to achieve that lower price target compared to X670. I was not expecting for B650 to make a lot of compromises and feature cuts and then be only marginally less expensive than the X670 counterparts. The B650e steel legend has 4 fewer USB type A, 2 fewer SATA ports, and a second pcie slot that's too close to the primary all for a whole $30 less than the X670e. With such a slim difference in price for a pretty cut down board, what's the point?
I hate the trade of pcie slots for m.2, people seem to have forgotten pcie is multi purpose a m.2 pcie addon card can be used to expand m.2. Good to see someone agrees with me.
a lot of the silkscreens on cheapermotherboards just do not complement the components on the board at all. I don't really know if they feel that people are used to really populated boards with armour, IC's and M.2 slots all over, and are trying to compensate for the relative bareness of a cheaper board.
I think they just want to appeal to the ADHD crowd that loves to have perpetual / constant NOISE/CHAOS/STIMULI - "dude bro, LOOK at MY computer Dude bro bruh bro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" When really - I'm betting the actual demographic buying is likely to be more affluent/classy at this point. I could be wrong, but - there's a reason why "a lot" of people didn't like the last generation "PLEASE NOTICE MEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" Honda Civic Type R
Now that the prices have dropped on the CPUs-----7600x is a pretty incredible value, for a gaming focused PC. That said, ~$40-$60 more gets you the 13600k, which is an incredible value for mixed usage (gaming and productivity like video work, rendering, 3D, etc).
I think you're right it dropped even more in price, and on a gaming point of view it beats the 13600k at stock. If Intel is OC it should beat it by a very slight margin but without taking into account the heat and power consumption trade off, I'd say the 7600/x is a very good deal. For more versatility yeah 13600k is better.
Man I think you should definitely move to Linux for testing! Automated testing made easy, set core affinity easy, runs linpack, access to raw sensor data, better scheduler...
id rather have three or four pcie 4.0 m.2 slots. Currently I have one m.2 SSD and I want to get a second one but the second slot on my board is only SATA... 😑
@@marcon.6442 lol im still using a shit tonne of sata. how else do i get bulk storage. if im gonna have an m.2 3tb raid i better have a 3tb hdd that mirrors the contents of that.
The B650E PG ITX catches my eye the most. It has a good all around feature set and is pretty tidy for what it is. Only issue is how much GPU do you want to try to cram into an ITX case and cool for gaming, especially if going with a custom loop. Maybe heat management makes ITX kind of a waste for a really nice mainboard/CPU combo.
1:19:45 But that's exactly why i'd be super interested in the overclocking capabilities! I think this board is for those that want a 7600x purely for gaming and care about nothing else. If it can power the 7600x well and also support the limit 6000MT/s limit of the infinity fabric then it makes sene for 7600x buyers who want a good gaming setup - but whilst also maybe opening up the possibility of being able to upgrade to a Zen4 3D CPU in the future in a cost-effective manner. So, personally - as someone interested in just that - I think it would be great to see a video from you pushing a 7600x to the limit on this board lol.
The X670E PG LIGHTNING can also use the Asrock Thunderbolt 4 Add in PCIe Card if that's of use to you 😀 And seriously who spends anytime looking at their mainboard. It's in a box under the desk.
B650E Taichi has 1x USB4, 1x M.2 SSD Gen 5 x4 + two Gen 4 x4 ... of course the second PCI-E x16 slot is only x4 electrical? It is a B650E board after all...I think they designed this board perfectly fine. You get all the new features at least once in a B650E board! No other B650E Board has this to my knowledge. I don't like the general beating Asrock gets.
1:08:00 Looking it up, there's some USB cards, some SATA cards, and some M.2 cards. Hell, one of those M.2 cards supports 2 cards. So I guess if you just really really don't care about bandwidth but for some reason don't want a SATA drive that's an option. Actually, looking more into it at least one of those M.2 cards is actually PCIE 2.0, so I'm assuming it's just really old and those are actually mSATA drives.
I looked at it a little too. For SATA ports I would get a mobo with enough onboard. If the USBs are not numerous enough, I would get a powered USB hub because it would not be tied to a mobo slot that would be a requirement in the next board. Very limiting. M.2 on a X2 slot, I wouldn't wanna do it to begin with.
Thanks for confirming what those e-maginary E cores are for. I got the 7950x3D hoping to turn the tables un UE5, DaVinci Resolve Studio, and Blender. Nobody uses Windows
I decided to get the Pro RS mainly because it was just cheaper in Europe than most other options, especially anything with more than 4 sata connectors (I have 5 drives). I probably won't even need the missing PCIe slots since I'm only using one for wifi at the moment and that's already covered by the board here.
Hey thanks for the video. As far as NICs go, PCIe Gen3 x1 is just not enough bandwidth for 10GbE as 1 lane provides 8Gb/s. Since Gen4 provides twice the bandwidth, it is just sufficient for a single-port 10GbE NIC. 10GbE NICs that use Gen4 x1 are extremely rare, but they do exist.
@Buildzoid I get what you're saying about 7600x vs 13600k... BUT lga1700 is EOL whereas AM5 is only just starting... that's where it gets a difficult choice for me as a gamer...
These VRMs need to support CPUs for some years. They have to be overbuilt at the beginning of the generation to be viable at the end of a generation. My dumb question is why do Intel boards boost memory speeds so much higher then AMD. 7800+ compared to 6000+
All of the 28 PCIe lanes on AM5 are PCIe 5.0. But putting every slot and device on the board on 4.0 or 5.0 speeds would require allot of redrivers. So much so that even AMD's own chipsets are still on PCIe 4.0. Hence the difference in available speeds on different chipsets. But what's coming out of the CPU is all PCIe 5.0.
Wow, this video was perfect timing. I was looking at the X670E steel legend earlier today. I wish they'd put in more sata... anything... than that random 1G ethernet, but it does feel like the sweet spot for that x670e price range and layout.
fyi not only did we lose the 7-8 sata slots on most motherboards but on most we now have 2/6 sata ports being asmedia1061 even on very high end z790 asus extreme and x670e like my msi meg ace and those are trash !!! they are only good for storage drives they have like 400mb/s max and random rw are half of chipset controlled sata ports, another victim of pcie5 useless and lost bandwith
@@unsivilaudio how's the BIOS stability? Any weird edge case annoyances? I have an old x570 that has unfixable USB stuttering issues when under initial high load, which has improved itself since the latest BIOS update but is still broken.
Good stuff as always. Only reason I can think of as to why they're building these VRM's to be so overkill (other than marketing of course) is maybe AMD's later generation AM5 CPU's will draw more power and they're planning ahead...maybe. Also one of the things that kinda annoys me with all the AM5 boards, not just Asrock, is the inclusion of onboard Wifi....like, I'm building a desktop...it doesn't move...I don't need the mobility of wifi and wired is way more reliable anyway. I can see why some people might use it if the room their PC is in is far from their router, but those people can just pay for a dongle or add-in card. Even if the built in Wifi only costs like $30, it's $30 less to spend on a very expensive platform and something I'll never use.
"There's like no motherboards doing that" Interestingly, most of Gigabyte's entry-level AM4 boards (e.g. the B550M S2H) do have a top x1 slot connected to the chipset. It annoys me that more midrange motherboards don't do the same. It's such an obvious thing for avoiding restricting airflow to the GPU.
YES it can! I've tested it and it works and loses only very very very very very little performance (1% I think, based on what I remember with CBR23). Basically the VRM is plenty sufficient!
I am glad that I am not the only one having issue with the PCIe allocation/design of motherboards. This around of AM5 socket motherboards (all chipset versions) have had really poor design/use of the PCIe lanes and physical locations.
ding ding ding we have a winner !!! when Linus was all hyped for pcie 5.0 and 6.0 In was screaming in my head after 10 months of ddr5 z690 here's the reality you LOSE bandwith every time it increases >< when they make a port 5.0 unless you have a 5.0 peripherals you instantly lose 1/2(4.0) 3/4(3.0) that bandwith because the unused is lost into the void only the multiplicator x16 x8 x4 is relevant not the x.0 type ! several pcie slots are bye bye for a 5.0 you're never going to use or don't need, Z690 typically is a single pcie slot chipset and you cannot use the 5.0 m.2 on the boards that have one or it makes your gpu slot go x8...problem it's x8 whatever you have aka x8 4.0 for a 3090 and x8 3.0 for a 1080ti in some boards it also disables the other pcie slots so you end up with a x8 gpu and no other useable pcie slot to plugin a probably 4.0 or 3.0 m.2 "yay"
Probably expensive, if even possible, but it would be useful. I think there is a product that uses related technology, called Liqid honey badger, or something like that, it’s a raid card that slots 8 nvme ssd in a gen 4 x16 card.
I was looking at which AM5 motherboard to buy, and saw people posting on Reddit saying that with XMP/EXPO enabled standby is disabled. Anyone with AM5 platforms experiencing that? That can't be right.
The state of PCIe slots on AM5 boards is absolutely headache inducing. Far too many boards having too few in the first place because they're sacrificing space for NVMe slots or lanes for the PCIe 5.0 x16 primary slot, a bunch of others having multiple x16 length slots plastered on them to look more promising but requiring you to dig through the manual to figure out that they're only operating with x2 lanes or something, a lot of the remaining ones with somewhat useable PCIe slots putting them so close together a modern high end graphics card might block both of them (three slots apart is too little!!!). I am not having a good time trying to find the right AM5 board for me.
it's not good because no 5.0 boards are...X570 4.0 had a much better bandwith spread (and trx40 four 16x4.0 slots :( ) I ended up buying the MSI MEG ACE it has 3 x16 pcie slots but thanks to that stupid 5.0 you're left with : Supports x16/x0/x4, x8/x8/x4 and as I explained above no one understands lanes and bandwith properly not even the main youtubers and tech reviewers x8 means x8 not (x16 4.0 or x32 3.0) which means whatever card you plug in unless it's 5.0 you instantly lose 1/2 or 3/4 of the bandwith into nothing because it won't go elsewhere it's just lost, this means the higher the pcie number goes the more and more Gb/s of bandwith you lose because no one only has latest pcie version peripherals it's stupid
I decided to take a break from Z series boards this time around and went with the b650 PG Riptide. I have to say, I'm extremely happy with it so far. It pairs very nicely with a 7800x3d and the price to performance is tough to beat.
How is the B650 PG Riptide, i choose it over MSI B650 Tomahawk because i heard about some MSI problems with AM5 board and many people say that ASRock is more stable. I will get my PC tomorrow, i just kinda feel like i regret choosing ASRock because of their bios, software and stuff, but maybe i'm just overthinking.
@@Berkelll I'm very happy with it but I've been dealing with ASRock for awhile now and knew what I was getting. They're pretty basic and that's not for everyone. The stability is noticeable though as you suggested. Very little fluctuation. Hope it works out for you though. Both boards you decided on are strong choices.
They should just give us an enthusiast level board with no plastic, no audio section, and no LED's ,with the highest quality USB audio passthrough money can buy, on a matte black PCB with gold stenciling.
hi, one question, is there any important specification of an SSD (controller or Nand or DRAM) more suitable for programming, ML, AI, Deep learning and use of 3D design? Which affects this type of productivity and gives it an edge
What's really confusing the wits out of me is there's 289 dollar x670e boards and 390 dollar b650 boards. I don't understand. This platform's lineup os convoluted
I came from the Asus strix B550E to the asrock x670e steel legend (cheapest in-stock AM5 motherboard I could find at the 7000 series release locally). I gotta say I'm quite happy with it, I especially like that now the bluetooth signal can reach 99% of my apartment, and I never have wi-fi or ethernet issues anymore. I also like that asrock's website loads faster. I agree that once I buy a capture card, it's going to be ideally situated in the bottom slot. That being said, I do miss a few features. First, I especially miss the digital error code display. The 4 LEDs provide some of the information I needed but not all of it. Second, the BIOS UI is clearly much worse in many ways. Like, the "tooltips" on the right sidebar are much more helpful than in the ASUS BIOS but everything else is worse. Its interface is clumsy, it doesn't properly save profiles across updates, saving profiles to the USB drive doesn't work and it doesn't properly detect the primary display & there is no way to pick which display to use, and it seem to just pick one randomly each bios update! Third, I miss bios flashing from the hard drive. But it's not a big deal because I just leave an old usb stick plugged in all the time now. And my last rambling gripe is that the manual is significantly lower quality than ASUS, worse english translation making it harder to understand some things, less logical division into sections, less details & styling. Other than that, it's all good! Actually, the ASUS board didn't have it either, but I wish that at this price point the m.2 slot itself had at least captive screws if not a magnetic or screwless design (not heatsinks, the have those captive screws like mentioned in the video).
I can't believe how expensive they've become. I paid a little over 400$ with taxes and shipping for it. Even though I bought it mostly for productivity, I'm a little sad the 13900k sometimes beats the 7950x in gaming. I am eagerly waiting for Zen 4 support in HYDRA so that I can have similar perf. I'll prolly skip the 3D V-Cache 7000 series and wait for Zen 5 and see if maybe they have 3D V-Cache integrated from the beginning. I can't wait honestly, 3D 8000 series sounds like a total beast! Maybe the 8950X3D will make use of all those VRMs? XD
@@MgelikaXevi Nothing much. I "upgraded" to 4 stick of ram totalling 64gb. So I had to use a lower frequency and startup times are super long. I've stopped updating the bios because I don't have time anymore. Some bios updates sucked because even though I had a profile backed up the settings didn't transfer and the profile wouldn't apply fully. So now I have to screenshot every single settting page before updating the bios
I bought the X670E Steel Legend with a 7700x at launch. ( I picked that one over the MSI board that was recommended by the Microcenter rep.) Price was $279 -got $20 off for getting the cpu bundled in. It's been great, I like the bios much more than the old ASUS board I had. But most importantly Genshin Impact runs alot better with a 7700x than it did with my old FX8350, that is for sure! Changing out my rx480 to a 6700xt helped but the fx chip was starting to let me down, hopefully I'm good for a while cause that was a lot of $$. Cheers.
cannot be worse as ALL z690 were a scam except the apex maybe ? 12900k has NO SUPPORT FOR 4 DIMMS it never worked properly and I just caught asus ERASING kits from the memory QVLs on z690 I know because I had screenshots from begin 2022 and now the 4 sockets/dimms option is simply gone another thing I learned is to avoid those heavy rgb,screens motherboards as each of those as it's own bios which slow down boot a lot (z690 asus extreme worst purchase of my pc life)
I think the Pro RS strategy is give lots of m.2 not just for storage, but for addons. There are tons of different m.2 adapters for pcie stuff. The only potential problem is that m.2 is x4 which means your going to either be wasting lanes or not have enough. But even then there are cards that come with muxers. So if you can find a muxer that splits a gen4 x4 into a gen3 x8 or whatever. Because besides GPUs and gen5 ssds, you really dont need more than 4 lanes of gen 5 for other addons (or atleast that I can think of). So you use those other lanes for a plethora of other stuff. Just my thoughts....could be wrong. On another note, motherboard manufacturers should start adding a product summary explaining why they chose the layout that they did.
I get what you mean, but at that point I wonder why mobo manufactures don't just do what buildzoid suggested and add more full sized slots and include adapters for pcie to m.2. In my experience at least, it's way easier to get one of those. As long as you don't need a heat sink.
1:05:38 You believe that ASROCK are making it on purpose? Well it is obvious. They want you to buy the x670E Carrerra instead of a Riptide or a Lightning. However I don`t understand why the B650 Tomahawk is the best looking AM5 board of them all...
"Cinebench accelerators". :) Can you guys please share the link of the video where he explains why he doesn't like the Power and Efficiency cores architecture of the Intel cpus? Thanks.
I admire you for NOT liking Windows...The board partners should let you design a motherboard...call it something like the Buildzoid Overclocker. Thanks for the upload. ..🇺🇸 😎👍☕
as the proud owner of a X670E PG lighing. YES it is ugly. who cares? i put it in a box under a table whith crap and cables covering most of it on the inside. and it was the cheapest way, 340€ to get gen 5 m.2 and pci.e. before B650E came out. and most B650E's are more than 340€ anyway. another important thing i find is the wifi. it has non, and i don't want to pay for it because i never use it. and if i want to later it has a handy nvme 2202(the smallest one) tuct neatly away. boot time are loooong but i hear most 600 have that problem.
The tai chi will be the 1 board they've tested the bios on Probably not the one I'd recommend someone buy for a daily driver. But if you're looking to test the functionality.....
1:01:53 - How can you say the Riptide and Pro RS are exactly the same and neglect to mention the one glaring difference? The Riptide is a B650E board and the Pro RS is a B650. The Riptide has PCIe 5.0 support, the Pro RS does not. How could you miss something so obvious?
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Couldn't believe there were no time stamps... here's my attempt... but as we know, the man has been known to ramble a bit here and there :)
INTRO // 00:01 - 01:51
X670E TAICHI CARRARA - X670E TAICHI // 01:52
X670E STEEL LEGEND // 10:01
X670E PG LIGHTNING // 19:12
Some back and forth rambling // 24:58
X670E PRO RS // 28:15
B650E TAICHI // 33:21
B650E STEEL LEGEND WIFI // 40:52
B650E PG RIPTIDE WIFI // 45:38
B650E PG ITX WIFI // 51:35
B650 LIVE MIXER // 57:36
B650 PRO RS // 1:01:20
B650 PG LIGHTNING // 1:03:10
B650M PG RIPTIDE // 1:10:00
WHICH BOARD BUILDZOID LIKES BEST (for this line-up) // 1:20:12
FINAL THOUGHTS // 1:24:09
Thank you so much!
The real MVP!
Doing the lord's work
Thank you for this, you're an absolute legend!
Thank you
Hahaha calling the E-Cores Cinabench accelerators is perfection.
they are I went from 5950x 2021 to 12900k 2022 I use cpu affinity heavily with process lasso profiles because I constantly multi task modding video editing in the background, on amd I set ccx2 cores for that and it worked great, on intel the e-cores drag your p-cores down under use, next week I'm on am5 intel ddr5 is beta-state unstable I never had so many apps quitting really unreliable, I know I'm going to lose fps for gaming but for once in my life I don't care those fps are not worth spendin almost 2k in a trash "we don't know what we do" plateform that ddr5 intel is
@@fredEVOIX Intel’s ddr5 is WAY better this gen, and overclockers have already shown they can pretty reliably get mem clocks way higher than on am5, sorry your sticks are bad?
With regards to e-core I’d definitely consider turning them off on windows 10
@@fredEVOIX sounds like either you didn’t buy sticks according to QVL or you didn’t test for stability after OC. I have a Unify-X and have zero issues with DDR5.
It`s true... they perform worst in productivity, compute and synthethic. The 12900k perform worst in Sandra suites than the 5950x.
Yes I love how the technical analysis becomes completely questionable due to the insertion of opinions based on heavy biases alone. Really helps with the creators credibility.
i really missed this kind of content, it's odd that i actually don't watch some of the short videos but i'm willing to sit an hour and a half to hear you rambling on motherboards
Hi Buildzoid, Brian from ASRock (Malaysia) here - can always reach out to me if you need to know more about the specs. B650M PG Riptide for example is 6 layer PCB.
Oh as for the B650M PG Riptide - used 7950X on it as well, not a problem. Ran Cinebench R23 10 minute multi-core workload test with results about 1% difference from running on X670E Taichi Carrara. 🙂
Hi Brian, can you tell the bios guys to fix the unbearable training times on AsRock boards? With Memory context restore it is still over 30 secs post...
@@vladimirljubopytnov5193 which board? On latest BIOS?
@@goldfries all the bioses. 650e pg-itx, but its general asrock problem. See forums. Asrock tech support says it's amd issue, but after switching to Asus, I have 9 seconds POST and debug LEDs that show the training is skipped.
Oh I didnt know you work for Asrock
@@sjneow :D A little over a year now.
Rambling about x manufacturer's motherboards is the kind of content I really like to see. The view counts might not reach your expections, but for long time viewers the hour+ of rambling beats anything else on youtube.
Unfortunately his content is for a very niche audience. Safe to say there isn't much overlap between BZ and LTT. ;-p It wouldn't bother me so much if LTT was just treated as the entertainment channel that it is; it's the fact that they try to pass themselves off as not only a tech channel, but a tech authority channel, that pisses me off.
ASRock got a patent during the Z77 era for a weird PCB lattice manufacturing process that makes equal-layer PCBs feel thinner on ASRock than competitors. It was pretty heavily advertised with the Z77 Extreme4.
"I don't like ASRock's designs, I don't like AM5, I'd rather run Intel"-- Which makes this video just about pointless. Fortunately, some people buy CPU's for things other 160 FPS gaming, and for us, AM5 Ryzen 7000 is a pretty nice platform. I didn't have to sell my kidneys for DDR5, and I don't need a 20A circuit to allow my CPU to hit full speed (OK-- I exaggerate. A little).
I totally agree about the E cores, I passed on the e cores and DDR5 in my latest build (April). My build price essentially doubled when I went from i5 12500, DDR4, B660 board, $30 air cooler to an i5 12600K, DDR5, Z690, and an AiO to cool it. I would have been spending almost 100% more money for maybe 15% increased performance. Once I started actually caring about value OCing went straight out the window for me. I get it as a hobby though, it makes a good one and people spend far more on other hobbies.
Buildzoid I would like to hear you cover other motherboard manufacturers in the same matter as this video, it was great to see your perspective and methodology of choosing motherboards.
To be honest I don't mind the PG Lightning's silk screening, it reminds me of the "dazzle" camo patterns on WW1 battleships.
Looks kind of like it *IS* dazzle. To hide the vast expanse of mostly-empty PCB that seems to only exist to impress people who think themselves too good for mATX.
lol it is
Be cool to have a video of what you'd consider a good am5. Not which vendor but if you designed your own. What you'd like to see on it
One of the board partners should let him design a motherboard...call it something like the Buildzoid Overclocker.
@@lilblackduc7312 If they can make fata1ity products they can certainly make buildzoid products.
He did a fantasy motherboard video about a year ago, and I guess his ideal AM5 motherboard would basically be that, with an AM5 socket.
If I remember correctly, it has no chipset (so it's like an X300 motherboard), just a load of PCIe switches so everything can be connected directly to the CPU. It might have been that there was a chipset, but that it's only used for SATA and USB.
I think a B650 will come in handy for testing once the Zen4 3D v-caches come out
Well, the pro RS has place for 4 full speed NVME SSDs, that is where the lines have gone. While I basically agree with you on "Why the hell use a new slot type?", I have to say having space for them is important. In theory 2 M.2 slots are enough. In practice, by the end of platform life you may have to add some storage several times and have a zoo of different SSDs... That is what I tend to get. And for me 2 x1 slots are enough to get my audio card and its additional surround card slotted.
On the other hand you care for SATA while having even 2 sata is enough for me since basically my HDD storage is NAS or a single HDD for media.
Its interesting how different the requirements are for different people. Good there are different MBs to suit us all =)
What surround card to you have? Thx
@@thepathnotfound nu audio pro. I don't really use thr surrond part though. Its just a source for my monitor speakers and headphones. Its kinda nice yet I should have taken that top of the line creative card for better support and drivers
AMD Radeon 6500Xt and AMD Radeon 6400 GPU's do use PCI-E Gen 4 x4 slot
The Taichi Carrara is kind of good looking imo like the white marble, black and gold accents color scheme is my vibe but its sooo half arsed. They didn't even print something on the board and there is not enough gold. If you want to make a baller mobo that has white marble and gold styling go all in.
THANK YOU for being the only youtuber that properly addresses VRMs and whether CPUs can properly run on specific boards.
The PG Lightning look is called the "naval camouflage pattern", designed specifically to trigger nausea\seizure\confusion to enemy observers.
I was about to buy the x670e lightining, seeing that it was the cheapest x670e board out there, but then I changed my mind. Guess the camouflage worked too well on my eyes.
@@extalia😂😂😂
I also don't understand why we need so many m.2 slots.
I mean having PCIe card slots is just straight more flexible.
And if you really want a tone of m.2 just use a PCIe to m.2 adapter.
I guess m.2 slots are easier to understand than adapters. And the difference in price between sata and NVMe ssd is kinda small(most volumes), spend 10% more and get 3x faster transfer speed.
I would not mind if the bottom 3 slots were x4 wired, but the way some motherboards are laid out and thick GPUs, that would probably never happen. For my next build I’m planning to get an APU on an ITX board that supports bifurcation and a 4x x4 NVMe pcie card.
I have not seen a mainstream platform motherboard that lets you use both a x16 wired slot and a x8 wired slot at the same time, which would force you to put the GPU in a x4 slot.
@@tthbeige3332 I am using ROG Strix X570-E in 2x8 mode with GPU and PCIE to NVME
I really wish mobo manufacturers would stop putting all that 'styling' junk. I want a motherboard, not a lightshow.
Love these videos. The Pro RS, steel legend, and Taichi are bangers imo but the price of the platform as a whole is definitely to expensive. The only benefit I see in going AM5 is being able to drop in new cpus in the future, especially if X3D models come out.
yeah in terms of price to performance and features, the steel legend might be the best bang for buck am5 board in general
I got an AS Rock X670E motherboard on day one for about $250 along with a 7900. I was most interested in the direct to CPU PCIE 5x16 for the graphics card and direct to CPU PCIE 5x4 for the SSD. Should have lots of future proofing. As you know they are starting to place games on the graphics card VRAM as well as other stuff. This will become more important in the future. Works great but you have to use the CPU graphics port for Bios mode.
Exactly, these are overbuilt because of whats coming not whats available now.
"As you know they are starting to place games on the graphics card VRAM"
Who is? People who create VRAM disks for the sake of experiments?
You might have meant something else (maybe related to directstorage?), but no-one who's trying to use a sensible configuration is "placing" games in VRAM.
@@nathangamble125 Pretty sure he means directstorage. Compressed data goes straight from memory to Vram instead of getting decompressed by the cpu first.
Personally, it doesn't have to make sense now, but it definitely should in 4 years. 4 years from now, assuming amd keeps it's promise, I can just drop in a 10600x and get the uplift without an entire new platform. If I go intel, I'm stuck with raptor lake being my last chip upgrade, and I'd have to still buy ddr5 to upgrade.
That' assuming current motherboards are up to par with 10000 series Ryzen CPU's or motherboard needs stay the same. 4 years is a lot of time in tech and the motherboards at Ryzens launch really aren't up to par with the b550's and AMD really dragged it's feet on letting older motherboards support newer Cpus.
@@macht242 It's the knowledge to know that I can take a 5600 and drop it in a b350 board if I absolutely needed to. There's a path for upgrades without requiring me to throw my old one out. I can take a 1600ae and a b350 board and have a clear upgrade path without just building an entire new system. And I still feel that part of the reason motherboards at ryzens launch were ass was because of amd. No one knew ryzen was going to work out and now just another bulldozer. So motherboard makers didn't want to go all in. by b550 ryzen had all the market share it needed to get feature complete boards.
for me a switch turns say a single 16x into two separate 8x, a mux does a 16x into two 16x sharing bandwidth.
I actually really like the dazzle-camouflage silkscreen compared to everything else, but to each his own.
yeah the white camo of the steel legend looks really good! especially with a white gpu
I'm honestly pretty confused on the whole AM5 motherboard chipset product line. I was expecting B650 to be the cheap boards but also make a lot of compromises and feature cuts in order to achieve that lower price target compared to X670. I was not expecting for B650 to make a lot of compromises and feature cuts and then be only marginally less expensive than the X670 counterparts. The B650e steel legend has 4 fewer USB type A, 2 fewer SATA ports, and a second pcie slot that's too close to the primary all for a whole $30 less than the X670e. With such a slim difference in price for a pretty cut down board, what's the point?
Buildzoid, can you do a ramble about the Asus boards. The Asus PRIME B650M-A AX is $199 and I fail to see how.
Yes, please. I like the Rog Strix B650E-E gaming. Would like to listen to a ramble on Asus :)
I hate the trade of pcie slots for m.2, people seem to have forgotten pcie is multi purpose a m.2 pcie addon card can be used to expand m.2.
Good to see someone agrees with me.
a lot of the silkscreens on cheapermotherboards just do not complement the components on the board at all. I don't really know if they feel that people are used to really populated boards with armour, IC's and M.2 slots all over, and are trying to compensate for the relative bareness of a cheaper board.
I think they just want to appeal to the ADHD crowd that loves to have perpetual / constant NOISE/CHAOS/STIMULI - "dude bro, LOOK at MY computer Dude bro bruh bro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" When really - I'm betting the actual demographic buying is likely to be more affluent/classy at this point. I could be wrong, but - there's a reason why "a lot" of people didn't like the last generation "PLEASE NOTICE MEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" Honda Civic Type R
ok
A lot of people say that they think the Steel legends board is ugly. It isn't if it's built with the right components for the looks.
Now that the prices have dropped on the CPUs-----7600x is a pretty incredible value, for a gaming focused PC. That said, ~$40-$60 more gets you the 13600k, which is an incredible value for mixed usage (gaming and productivity like video work, rendering, 3D, etc).
I think you're right it dropped even more in price, and on a gaming point of view it beats the 13600k at stock. If Intel is OC it should beat it by a very slight margin but without taking into account the heat and power consumption trade off, I'd say the 7600/x is a very good deal. For more versatility yeah 13600k is better.
Man I think you should definitely move to Linux for testing! Automated testing made easy, set core affinity easy, runs linpack, access to raw sensor data, better scheduler...
But no native 3dMark
It's interesting to hear BZ's rant on SATA ports because I haven't used a SATA device in....6 years? Something like that. M.2 ate it all
id rather have three or four pcie 4.0 m.2 slots.
Currently I have one m.2 SSD and I want to get a second one but the second slot on my board is only SATA... 😑
I second that. Not a single SATA drive in mine or the kids daily/gaming systems any more. Would ditch any SATA connector for other features anytime
@@marcon.6442 lol im still using a shit tonne of sata. how else do i get bulk storage. if im gonna have an m.2 3tb raid i better have a 3tb hdd that mirrors the contents of that.
I'm waiting for 3dv cache, hopefully board and ram cost are down by then too :D
also waiting for them, to get the normal ones cheaper (my workload does not care about cache, at all)
FYI: since the initial release of the b650M PG Riptide they have qualified it with up to ddr5 7200 ram. Love your videos.
The B650E PG ITX catches my eye the most. It has a good all around feature set and is pretty tidy for what it is. Only issue is how much GPU do you want to try to cram into an ITX case and cool for gaming, especially if going with a custom loop. Maybe heat management makes ITX kind of a waste for a really nice mainboard/CPU combo.
I got this board, can't wait to build in it. Been sitting on my shelf for 2 weeks now I think.
Do you still recommend B650E PG Riptide?
1:19:45 But that's exactly why i'd be super interested in the overclocking capabilities! I think this board is for those that want a 7600x purely for gaming and care about nothing else. If it can power the 7600x well and also support the limit 6000MT/s limit of the infinity fabric then it makes sene for 7600x buyers who want a good gaming setup - but whilst also maybe opening up the possibility of being able to upgrade to a Zen4 3D CPU in the future in a cost-effective manner.
So, personally - as someone interested in just that - I think it would be great to see a video from you pushing a 7600x to the limit on this board lol.
The X670E PG LIGHTNING can also use the Asrock Thunderbolt 4 Add in PCIe Card if that's of use to you 😀 And seriously who spends anytime looking at their mainboard. It's in a box under the desk.
Why Asrock have to name m.2 slots like that Blazing, Ultra-Multra, Hyper etc 😂
I know. They're just m.2?!
Can you please ramble about the asus x670e motherboards next please? :)
A truly excellent ramble
B650 Pro RS. I still would go for the B650 Taichi or even the Taichi Lite. Do you have the same for the Gigabyte and the Biostar boards?
dude compares 13700k to 7 7700x without mentioning the most important difference...price hahahahahah, that's called an honest opinion
B650E Taichi has 1x USB4, 1x M.2 SSD Gen 5 x4 + two Gen 4 x4 ... of course the second PCI-E x16 slot is only x4 electrical? It is a B650E board after all...I think they designed this board perfectly fine. You get all the new features at least once in a B650E board! No other B650E Board has this to my knowledge. I don't like the general beating Asrock gets.
1:08:00 Looking it up, there's some USB cards, some SATA cards, and some M.2 cards. Hell, one of those M.2 cards supports 2 cards. So I guess if you just really really don't care about bandwidth but for some reason don't want a SATA drive that's an option.
Actually, looking more into it at least one of those M.2 cards is actually PCIE 2.0, so I'm assuming it's just really old and those are actually mSATA drives.
I looked at it a little too. For SATA ports I would get a mobo with enough onboard. If the USBs are not numerous enough, I would get a powered USB hub because it would not be tied to a mobo slot that would be a requirement in the next board. Very limiting. M.2 on a X2 slot, I wouldn't wanna do it to begin with.
Those blue/purple and yellow/orange motherboards look amazing
Thanks for confirming what those e-maginary E cores are for. I got the 7950x3D hoping to turn the tables un UE5, DaVinci Resolve Studio, and Blender. Nobody uses Windows
I decided to get the Pro RS mainly because it was just cheaper in Europe than most other options, especially anything with more than 4 sata connectors (I have 5 drives). I probably won't even need the missing PCIe slots since I'm only using one for wifi at the moment and that's already covered by the board here.
Hey thanks for the video. As far as NICs go, PCIe Gen3 x1 is just not enough bandwidth for 10GbE as 1 lane provides 8Gb/s.
Since Gen4 provides twice the bandwidth, it is just sufficient for a single-port 10GbE NIC. 10GbE NICs that use Gen4 x1 are extremely rare, but they do exist.
What Micro ATX board would you recommend for gaming. 2 pci-e slots, am5, pcie5, no digital audio, I don't really need wifi.
Nah the 7800X3D is pretty hosted for gaming. Plus there's still a better upgrade path for AM5 chipsets (ik I am an amd fan)
@Buildzoid I get what you're saying about 7600x vs 13600k... BUT lga1700 is EOL whereas AM5 is only just starting... that's where it gets a difficult choice for me as a gamer...
These VRMs need to support CPUs for some years. They have to be overbuilt at the beginning of the generation to be viable at the end of a generation. My dumb question is why do Intel boards boost memory speeds so much higher then AMD. 7800+ compared to 6000+
Because AMD is on infinity fabric, or more like "finite" fabric.
The Pro RS has 1 more M.2 slot and 2 more SATAs than the Steel Legend or the PG Lightning
All of the 28 PCIe lanes on AM5 are PCIe 5.0. But putting every slot and device on the board on 4.0 or 5.0 speeds would require allot of redrivers. So much so that even AMD's own chipsets are still on PCIe 4.0. Hence the difference in available speeds on different chipsets. But what's coming out of the CPU is all PCIe 5.0.
Wow, this video was perfect timing. I was looking at the X670E steel legend earlier today. I wish they'd put in more sata... anything... than that random 1G ethernet, but it does feel like the sweet spot for that x670e price range and layout.
fyi not only did we lose the 7-8 sata slots on most motherboards but on most we now have 2/6 sata ports being asmedia1061 even on very high end z790 asus extreme and x670e like my msi meg ace and those are trash !!! they are only good for storage drives they have like 400mb/s max and random rw are half of chipset controlled sata ports, another victim of pcie5 useless and lost bandwith
@@fredEVOIX hmm That's a shame they're eating into sata's performance cap. Fortunately, I only use sata for bulk storage, but still
Had it since launch with my 7900x. Love it.
@@unsivilaudio how's the BIOS stability? Any weird edge case annoyances? I have an old x570 that has unfixable USB stuttering issues when under initial high load, which has improved itself since the latest BIOS update but is still broken.
Good stuff as always.
Only reason I can think of as to why they're building these VRM's to be so overkill (other than marketing of course) is maybe AMD's later generation AM5 CPU's will draw more power and they're planning ahead...maybe.
Also one of the things that kinda annoys me with all the AM5 boards, not just Asrock, is the inclusion of onboard Wifi....like, I'm building a desktop...it doesn't move...I don't need the mobility of wifi and wired is way more reliable anyway. I can see why some people might use it if the room their PC is in is far from their router, but those people can just pay for a dongle or add-in card. Even if the built in Wifi only costs like $30, it's $30 less to spend on a very expensive platform and something I'll never use.
You underestimate the stupidity of potential customers. Also, the USB wifi dongles are a lot worse
"There's like no motherboards doing that"
Interestingly, most of Gigabyte's entry-level AM4 boards (e.g. the B550M S2H) do have a top x1 slot connected to the chipset.
It annoys me that more midrange motherboards don't do the same. It's such an obvious thing for avoiding restricting airflow to the GPU.
Could the 7950x work in the b650m pg riptide? Would the VRM be sufficient enough to run it near or at full potential?
YES it can! I've tested it and it works and loses only very very very very very little performance (1% I think, based on what I remember with CBR23). Basically the VRM is plenty sufficient!
Went to an Asrock event yesterday. The Carara looks dope in person.
actually really useful rambling :D , thanks man !
I am glad that I am not the only one having issue with the PCIe allocation/design of motherboards. This around of AM5 socket motherboards (all chipset versions) have had really poor design/use of the PCIe lanes and physical locations.
ASROCK Steel Series paired with a 7000x3d is phenomenal. Especially with the right RAM. Exceptional
It seems that PCIe 5.0 is more hassle than its worth, it restricts bandwidth to other components.
ding ding ding we have a winner !!! when Linus was all hyped for pcie 5.0 and 6.0 In was screaming in my head after 10 months of ddr5 z690 here's the reality
you LOSE bandwith every time it increases >< when they make a port 5.0 unless you have a 5.0 peripherals you instantly lose 1/2(4.0) 3/4(3.0) that bandwith because the unused is lost into the void only the multiplicator x16 x8 x4 is relevant not the x.0 type ! several pcie slots are bye bye for a 5.0 you're never going to use or don't need, Z690 typically is a single pcie slot chipset and you cannot use the 5.0 m.2 on the boards that have one or it makes your gpu slot go x8...problem it's x8 whatever you have aka x8 4.0 for a 3090 and x8 3.0 for a 1080ti in some boards it also disables the other pcie slots so you end up with a x8 gpu and no other useable pcie slot to plugin a probably 4.0 or 3.0 m.2 "yay"
@@fredEVOIX Just use one ssd and one pcie 5.0 for GPU. You don’t need so many ssds.
For 9950x and 9950x3d I need Taichi or Steel Legend is okay?
G'day Buildzoid,
WooHoo! Motherboard Rambling is back,
While not AMD but it is ASRock what do you think about there being a Z790Sonic🦔?
Is ASRock X670E Pro RS worth buying? Or ASRock B650E PG RIPTIDE WIFI?
Are you going to do an video about all the Asus boards, I’m curious about the X670E ProArt?
Like, it’s it useful for a gaming/3D-modeling build?
Wonder what a board would cost that would take the gen5 bandwidth and use it for 4 gen 3 16x slots or similar.
Probably expensive, if even possible, but it would be useful. I think there is a product that uses related technology, called Liqid honey badger, or something like that, it’s a raid card that slots 8 nvme ssd in a gen 4 x16 card.
@@tthbeige3332 Yes, that is related hardware technology... like inbred cousin related.
I was looking at which AM5 motherboard to buy, and saw people posting on Reddit saying that with XMP/EXPO enabled standby is disabled.
Anyone with AM5 platforms experiencing that?
That can't be right.
wrong mine has no problem strix 670e e and 7950x
The state of PCIe slots on AM5 boards is absolutely headache inducing. Far too many boards having too few in the first place because they're sacrificing space for NVMe slots or lanes for the PCIe 5.0 x16 primary slot, a bunch of others having multiple x16 length slots plastered on them to look more promising but requiring you to dig through the manual to figure out that they're only operating with x2 lanes or something, a lot of the remaining ones with somewhat useable PCIe slots putting them so close together a modern high end graphics card might block both of them (three slots apart is too little!!!). I am not having a good time trying to find the right AM5 board for me.
it's not good because no 5.0 boards are...X570 4.0 had a much better bandwith spread (and trx40 four 16x4.0 slots :( ) I ended up buying the MSI MEG ACE it has 3 x16 pcie slots but thanks to that stupid 5.0 you're left with : Supports x16/x0/x4, x8/x8/x4 and as I explained above no one understands lanes and bandwith properly not even the main youtubers and tech reviewers x8 means x8 not (x16 4.0 or x32 3.0) which means whatever card you plug in unless it's 5.0 you instantly lose 1/2 or 3/4 of the bandwith into nothing because it won't go elsewhere it's just lost, this means the higher the pcie number goes the more and more Gb/s of bandwith you lose because no one only has latest pcie version peripherals it's stupid
I decided to take a break from Z series boards this time around and went with the b650 PG Riptide. I have to say, I'm extremely happy with it so far. It pairs very nicely with a 7800x3d and the price to performance is tough to beat.
How is the B650 PG Riptide, i choose it over MSI B650 Tomahawk because i heard about some MSI problems with AM5 board and many people say that ASRock is more stable. I will get my PC tomorrow, i just kinda feel like i regret choosing ASRock because of their bios, software and stuff, but maybe i'm just overthinking.
@@Berkelll I'm very happy with it but I've been dealing with ASRock for awhile now and knew what I was getting. They're pretty basic and that's not for everyone. The stability is noticeable though as you suggested. Very little fluctuation. Hope it works out for you though. Both boards you decided on are strong choices.
Get a X670E Steel Legend - then maybe you can explain how to properly OC and tweak these ASROCK AM5's.
Not much information out there atm.
They should just give us an enthusiast level board with no plastic, no audio section, and no LED's ,with the highest quality USB audio passthrough money can buy, on a matte black PCB with gold stenciling.
I'm waiting for your MSI Z790 review. None of the boards makes any sense to me
I'm torn between this Taichi, the Asus X670E-E Gaming WiFi and the X670E AORUS Master. They all have similar specs and price. What are your thoughts?
hi, one question, is there any important specification of an SSD (controller or Nand or DRAM) more suitable for programming, ML, AI, Deep learning and use of 3D design? Which affects this type of productivity and gives it an edge
What's really confusing the wits out of me is there's 289 dollar x670e boards and 390 dollar b650 boards. I don't understand. This platform's lineup os convoluted
I came from the Asus strix B550E to the asrock x670e steel legend (cheapest in-stock AM5 motherboard I could find at the 7000 series release locally). I gotta say I'm quite happy with it, I especially like that now the bluetooth signal can reach 99% of my apartment, and I never have wi-fi or ethernet issues anymore. I also like that asrock's website loads faster. I agree that once I buy a capture card, it's going to be ideally situated in the bottom slot. That being said, I do miss a few features. First, I especially miss the digital error code display. The 4 LEDs provide some of the information I needed but not all of it. Second, the BIOS UI is clearly much worse in many ways. Like, the "tooltips" on the right sidebar are much more helpful than in the ASUS BIOS but everything else is worse. Its interface is clumsy, it doesn't properly save profiles across updates, saving profiles to the USB drive doesn't work and it doesn't properly detect the primary display & there is no way to pick which display to use, and it seem to just pick one randomly each bios update! Third, I miss bios flashing from the hard drive. But it's not a big deal because I just leave an old usb stick plugged in all the time now. And my last rambling gripe is that the manual is significantly lower quality than ASUS, worse english translation making it harder to understand some things, less logical division into sections, less details & styling. Other than that, it's all good! Actually, the ASUS board didn't have it either, but I wish that at this price point the m.2 slot itself had at least captive screws if not a magnetic or screwless design (not heatsinks, the have those captive screws like mentioned in the video).
I can't believe how expensive they've become. I paid a little over 400$ with taxes and shipping for it. Even though I bought it mostly for productivity, I'm a little sad the 13900k sometimes beats the 7950x in gaming. I am eagerly waiting for Zen 4 support in HYDRA so that I can have similar perf. I'll prolly skip the 3D V-Cache 7000 series and wait for Zen 5 and see if maybe they have 3D V-Cache integrated from the beginning. I can't wait honestly, 3D 8000 series sounds like a total beast! Maybe the 8950X3D will make use of all those VRMs? XD
@@MenkoDany , I am too looking at this model. How is it after a year? Anything got improved or mb got worse? :)
@@MgelikaXevi Nothing much. I "upgraded" to 4 stick of ram totalling 64gb. So I had to use a lower frequency and startup times are super long. I've stopped updating the bios because I don't have time anymore. Some bios updates sucked because even though I had a profile backed up the settings didn't transfer and the profile wouldn't apply fully. So now I have to screenshot every single settting page before updating the bios
I bought the X670E Steel Legend with a 7700x at launch. ( I picked that one over the MSI board that was recommended by the Microcenter rep.) Price was $279 -got $20 off for getting the cpu bundled in. It's been great, I like the bios much more than the old ASUS board I had. But most importantly Genshin Impact runs alot better with a 7700x than it did with my old FX8350, that is for sure! Changing out my rx480 to a 6700xt helped but the fx chip was starting to let me down, hopefully I'm good for a while cause that was a lot of $$. Cheers.
Hey Buildzoid, can we hear your thoughts on the new Z790 boards out so far. How do they stack up vs Z690 boards in terms of performance do you think?
cannot be worse as ALL z690 were a scam except the apex maybe ? 12900k has NO SUPPORT FOR 4 DIMMS it never worked properly and I just caught asus ERASING kits from the memory QVLs on z690 I know because I had screenshots from begin 2022 and now the 4 sockets/dimms option is simply gone
another thing I learned is to avoid those heavy rgb,screens motherboards as each of those as it's own bios which slow down boot a lot (z690 asus extreme worst purchase of my pc life)
@@fredEVOIX The Z690 Apex was a complete joke. Tachyon was definitely the board to get.
What mobo with ddr4 to buy for i5 13600k ??
17:28 - yeah, that's sad. I still consider my Z170 Ranger as my best MB purchase. It have everything enthusiast really need.
I have the X670 steel legend. So far so good.
We need A620 boards. The Ryzen integrated chipset has so much connectivity already, do many users don`t need more that the CPU already has...
Oh look it's Buildzoid destroying his reputation with an OEM marketing team again
I think the Pro RS strategy is give lots of m.2 not just for storage, but for addons. There are tons of different m.2 adapters for pcie stuff. The only potential problem is that m.2 is x4 which means your going to either be wasting lanes or not have enough. But even then there are cards that come with muxers. So if you can find a muxer that splits a gen4 x4 into a gen3 x8 or whatever. Because besides GPUs and gen5 ssds, you really dont need more than 4 lanes of gen 5 for other addons (or atleast that I can think of). So you use those other lanes for a plethora of other stuff. Just my thoughts....could be wrong.
On another note, motherboard manufacturers should start adding a product summary explaining why they chose the layout that they did.
I get what you mean, but at that point I wonder why mobo manufactures don't just do what buildzoid suggested and add more full sized slots and include adapters for pcie to m.2. In my experience at least, it's way easier to get one of those. As long as you don't need a heat sink.
1:05:38 You believe that ASROCK are making it on purpose? Well it is obvious. They want you to buy the x670E Carrerra instead of a Riptide or a Lightning. However I don`t understand why the B650 Tomahawk is the best looking AM5 board of them all...
Is this part 1 of the motherboard roundup?
"Cinebench accelerators". :)
Can you guys please share the link of the video where he explains why he doesn't like the Power and Efficiency cores architecture of the Intel cpus? Thanks.
pls help,12600k or 12600kf in term of kinda winning the silicon lottery,k or kf gonna have wider chance of having good chip?
I admire you for NOT liking Windows...The board partners should let you design a motherboard...call it something like the Buildzoid Overclocker. Thanks for the upload. ..🇺🇸 😎👍☕
as the proud owner of a X670E PG lighing.
YES it is ugly. who cares?
i put it in a box under a table whith crap and cables covering most of it on the inside.
and it was the cheapest way, 340€ to get gen 5 m.2 and pci.e. before B650E came out.
and most B650E's are more than 340€ anyway.
another important thing i find is the wifi.
it has non, and i don't want to pay for it because i never use it.
and if i want to later it has a handy nvme 2202(the smallest one) tuct neatly away.
boot time are loooong but i hear most 600 have that problem.
Buy our fancy new board, Buildzoid didn't hate it immediately!
Thanks. I appreciate these videos.
The tai chi will be the 1 board they've tested the bios on
Probably not the one I'd recommend someone buy for a daily driver. But if you're looking to test the functionality.....
Thank you for the video ! What you think of b650 steel legend ?
1:01:53 - How can you say the Riptide and Pro RS are exactly the same and neglect to mention the one glaring difference? The Riptide is a B650E board and the Pro RS is a B650. The Riptide has PCIe 5.0 support, the Pro RS does not. How could you miss something so obvious?
Great ramble, wont be getting 7000 series anytime soon but that Riptide board was a great board, $500AUD is out of hand though for a motherboard.
Those VRM are 60A. The value is not there.
I have the B650 Pro RS and its a really good mobo.
Still have it? what config?
@@SacreDro 7800x3d 64 ram and bios version 2.0