just so you, and everyone in the comments knows, the masterworks system is a scam. it literally says in their terms "be prepaired to hold the assets for an indefinite amount of time". which just means they never intend to sell the paintings, and even if they could, it won't be through the major auction houses that deal with art. they keep that circle of buyers very closed off to any outsider trying to "change the system"
@@fidelio9301 making money with a sponsorship that is an actual product is fine, because you actually get something out of it. It might not be good, but you get something. With investments and also gambling sponsorships, people can sink their entire savings into these. Especially when its falsely portrayed as being a "sure return" and ruin them financially
@@MrHangman56 Why would anyone take financial advice from a RUclipsr…Also, none of the products are actually good products. Or do what they say they do. They are all scams too.
The original timeline Ghengis Khan was Prester John, the Scottish were the mongols. Everything has been mixed up and rewritten, the Europeans were Muslim, the Arabs were Christian. It's a never ending simulation that keeps changing in a Quantum computer.
@@connormcclennen5696 in every other simulation, when the Scottish people develop in a flat plains like environment along side the horse, they end conquering everyone else, enslaving all others and no other cultures develop. So they got stuck way up north on the British isles with few horses to contain them in order to see what would happen, but they were also a backup plan if the English failed.
It seem that Prester John is a mix of knowledge of the Syriac Christian church established by St Thomas in southern India and the Ethiopian Kingdom in Africa. Both places being beyond the range of Europeans at the time.
Masterworks: You pay so someone can buy the actual art ;) And before people complain: Yes, that is how the scam works. They also sell land in Scotland.
Oh no, they're the same people who do that Established Titles rubbish? Definitely a scam then. That's unfortunate. RUclipsrs need to make money, but they really shouldn't try to sell actual scams to their viewers.
@@beth7935 General rule of thumb when it comes to these things. If a company has to reach out to youtubers to create ads, then no "trustworthy" advertisment agency wanted them on board. That by itself is a big red flag. airup, opera gx, established titles, betterhelp, all that stuff's basically a scam. just skip the ad part of the video and enjoy the rest - the youtuber in question's already been paid by them to put it in regardless, and wont be paid on how many people actually watch that specific section
The legend of Prester John has a curious parallel in Mexico. In the late XVII century, historian and priest Carlos de Sigüenza y Góngora claimed that the Nahua god Quetzalcóatl was indeed Saint Thomas the Apostle who had traveled from Judea to India and later to the Americas and preached the Gospel to the natives. According to Sigüenza, St. Thomas had also helped to set up Christian kingdoms which reverted to paganism centuries after his death, worshiping the Apostle as a god. Later, on December 12th 1794, the Dominican priest Fray Servando Teresa de Mier gave a fiery sermon in which he claimed that not only had St. Thomas preached to the natives as Quetzalcóatl but that he also had painted the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe. Relating the native god to a mythical Christian past was one of the foundational acts of Mexican nationalism as it deprived the Spaniards of any merit when it came to the conversion of the indigenous tribes.
St. Francis of Assisi went on the Fifth Crusade (this was before his conversion at San Damiano); the atrocities he witnessed on both sides of the conflict put him off of the ideas of holy wars and chivalry thenceforth.
You're actually referring to one (or both) of Francis's military endeavors during his youth, but none of them were part of the Fifth Crusade. One of them, around 1202, the skirmish between Assisi and Perugia, where he was taken prisoner and spent a year in jail; he was released and returned home very ill and close to dying. A few years later, around 1205, he once again enlisted in a military expedition led by Walter III of Brienne, but he deserted and returned to Assisi (allegedly because of a vision). He was certainly affected by PTSD, and those experiences (particularly his time in captivity) crushed the chivalric ideals and knightly dreams he held. Not long afterwards he had his decisive moment at the church of San Damiano. The Fifth Crusade wouldn't even begin until 1217, and by the time Francis travelled to meet Sultan Al-Kamil, he had already 'converted' and been a friar for more than a decade.
@@CsnvLsRnst Thanks very much for the clarification! I knew about his captivity in Perugia, but I thought he'd been in Egypt on the Fifth Crusade prior to his conversion.
@Cindy Saroya It's a good thing that you accept the fact that you were wrong, but it wouldn't mean anything if you don't edit or put a disclaimer in your original comment so uninformed people don't actually believe the incorrect information you gave.
@@chillialexander The Name of the Rose is my favorite, but all of his works are impressive. I only mention Baudolino because of it's including Prester John.
I read only Foucault's pendulum. Fascinating, and it may have had an influence on my conspirationist tendencies, as I read it when I was quite young. Nice book. Saw the name of the rose, with Clint Eastwood, but didn't read the book. I don't read anymore, though. Sad, but true.
@@jojolafrite90 I couldn't read at all for 5 years following a brain injury. Now that I can read again, I'm reading a lot. 56 books last year. That's a record. Haven't read Foucaults Pendulum yet tho. I started reading one book by Umberto Eco which describes a man with a brain injury suffering from amnesia and it was so close to my own experience it scared me so I haven't finished it yet.
I always loved this myth and i remember being young looking at a copy of a medieval map and seeing Prester John on it and it was like a little mystery adventure exploring who he was over the years.
"Prester John" was a myth based on a recorded visit to the Byzantine Court and the Papacy by some rando madmen (the character may have been a composite of several different men) who told entertaining stories about lands far away and wonders unseen in the West. The Papacy then took up the stories, in order to validate their claims that Catholicism's influence stretched to all corners of the known world.
Mushing together the stories of several different people does seem to be a thing. And I can totally see the Papacy using the legend for their own religious & political agenda. Interesting.
The Byzantines would have always considered themselves to be Christians ( Now Eastern/Greek Othodox) and would not have described themselves as Catholic. The Western (Roman Catholic) Christian Church considered itself "Catholic" only after 1208 . The term Catholic only really gains real relevance in the Reformation to distinguish various Prodestant splits from the main Roman Church. Also the Bzantines would not have gone by this name back in the day and considered themselves Roman in name and culture. Slightly off the point but..
I like to think that the letter from Prester John to the Byzantine Emperor was an early example of trolling, pulling together a bunch of stories and creating something out of (mostly) whole cloth!
Wait, so some guy with schizophrenia wrote a bunch of letters to the Byzantine Emperor and the Pope saying that he was the king of 72 countries with a bunch of crazy animals, zombies and magic and stuff and Medieval Europe was all like "seems legit"?
@@jeffwinkler1137 to be fair I don't think your average person around the world was able to read and write at that time. Only those who could afford to learn or used it in work used it. I doubt most people even spoke their own languages fluently back in the Medieval ages a lot of babies getting dropped on heads... lol
Well back then, literacy was an automatic sign of high status and position. It didn't help that "soon" afterwards, the Mongols appeared and certain regional Khans were interested in Christianity, so people just made the 2+2 and were like "woooow it's Prester John's kingdom! They're huge so obviously the 72 countries fits!"
I’ve probably watched, especially after 2020, 15-20 videos a day on history, ancient religions, and a dose of Ancient Aliens type stuff. I’ve never heard of this cat. Thanks for putting this out there. Too many RUclipsrs just recycle other people’s work. Real, partially real, myth, super cool story 👊🏼😎
Yeah no shit mate you think people are going to stop buying degas because of that? Let’s just burn it all because nobody should buy it because of money laundering.
So do a thousand other industries, that’s how money laundering works - put dirty money in a clean industry. It’s not illegal, or unethical. Just don’t buy it, I highly doubt anyone will either lol
Prester John may have been St Thomas Didymas Thaddias Lebaeus - a disciple of Jesus. He was from Edessa in Syria, but travelled to Persia and India, where he founded the Edessan Church in Malabar in southern India. The Edessan Church of Malabar still exists today. St Thomas was reputed to be the twin brother of Jesus. R
When you study the history of South Africa there are stories of the Portuguese dumping people on the coast of Africa and encouraging them to go find Prester John.
@@chrism9493 But not unicorns, fire breathing dragons, or men with faces on their stomachs. You read and see those stuff in fairytale books. You kinda slow up there boy 🥴
Considering that Ethiopia was Christian at that time, but isolated from the rest of Christianity by Muslim Egypt and Arabia, it's possible that a rare Ethiopian envoy made it to Constantinople and then Rome, and from that the rumor mill made up this fanciful larger than life character based on an actual far-off Christian Monarchy
@@dukeof2958 Yeah these dude's don't know what they're talking about,he was down the white horse the other night drinking Mackesons and eating dry roasted peanuts.
While watching the video, my mind playing games with words came up with this: "...Saint Thomas was sent to Kerala, India, in AD 1052 to preach the Gospel. There, he converted Hindus into Christians and Christians into Hindus..."
@@mat5267 Yeah, that's another thing. Just speaking from a personal viewpoint here tho. Everyone wants nice looking and well designed things, covers, games, animations, comics, but also underpay creators on a daily basis.
@@fidelio9301 I mostly do commissions and work on contracts business-wise, plus sell prints, also going to release the first volume of my comic in print some time later this year. That's about as far as I'm willing to go.
@@Telarii I think the best way is to build a brand on social media, doesn’t have to be art related, then just sell your art as a business from a website.
Hello there I am new subscriber. But I am very happy I found this channel. Your documentary of the medieval world is beyond me. Look forward to seeing your next contents ❤
Brown more likely. Syria to India to Ethiopia are the most likely places described. There were many early branching christian sects and imo our boy PJ here is a amalgamation of far eastern churches.
The video doesn't say Hitler invaded Spain, it says "Nazi Germany's actions in Spain". i.e. sending the Condor Legion to fight in the Spanish Civil War. it was the Condor Legion that bombed Guernica.
@@marklatchford9557 Germany and Italy were both involved in the bombing of Guernica at the request of Franco. If someone wants to shift the focus of blame from Franco to his allies, they should mention both countries who acted.
@@pattheplanter I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make, The OP seems to think the Germans had no involvement in the Spanish Civil War and you agreed that was a "Pretty bad error for a historical channel to make". Simple as that. And I'm not sure why you think anyone's trying to shift any blame re Guernica. Who's trying to do that?
it's the medieval version of the nigerian prince scam. keep sending us your princes and you'll totally get to rule a magical land where siamese pygmies ride goldshitting unicorns
I had always thought that Prester John was just a coping mechanism created by European Christians who couldn't come to grasp why the Holy Land wasnt occupied by any Christians. So this super powerful wise immortal sage king John was such an alluring and comforting idea for those in Europe. The truth about Prester John i think prob came from the Crusades where there were many fraternal organizations like the Knights Templar all fighting out in the Holy Land and its a very good possibility a powerful knight of some order who instead of returning to Europe had made his home somewhere in the Holy Land. There were some knights able to maintain hospitable relations with some Muslim and Saracen leaders throughout the Crusades so its very likely they had built a city or a stronghold of sorts for themselves whose power and reputation was incredibly embellished as one does during the Medieval times.
The Holy Land WAS occupied by Christians. Copts, Syriacs, Orthodox, Nestorians... Their oppression was the original justification for the first crusade. There are Christians there now. There have been continuous communities of Christians in Bethlehem for nearly 2k years, just like there have been Jews in Jerusalem for going on 3k continuous years. How do you not know this?
With all the crypto/investing scams going around these days i think I'd try and distance myself from any sponsor that deals with investing as you may be opening yourself up to liability.
I think one of the main historical facts that fueled this legend was that a substantial % of the Mongols in Genghis Khan's time were Nestorian Christians and one of the imperial consorts was a Christian and mother to later Khans. At the time of the later Crusades the French king and other Catholic potentates sent envoys to the Mongols and vice versa hoping to set up alliances against the common foe - the Islamic world. Another factor may have been that Europeans who had early contacts with the Buddhist world were intrigued by the similarity between the Buddhist hierarchies and with those of Catholicism -after all both religions had monks and nuns and monasteries and even the religious garb was quite similar. Rhinos common in south Asia may explain the unicorn legend and crocodiles and giant pythons the dragon stories.
When I read the title, my first thought was Pester John. Some mention that it came from a Byzantine myth, but due to how the Byzantine "Romans", treated the unwashed western European diplomats, the 4th Crusade (my favorite) was no mystery.
Why do still people today assume the human perception was the same from old times? Evolution obviously did not only took place on the body but also in the mind and spirit , that is still evolving. Obviously the perceptions and understanding of things in general were not the same as today so why keep looking at the remote past with today´s perception?
That’s nonsense and not how evolution works. Do you mean cultural change? Most historians tend to take into account culture and historical context. Only a pseudohistorian or pseudoarchaeologist would ignore such things.
@@sanguillotine Thank you for your response. I just give you one simple example. If someone from present time would travel back in time to say, Ancient Greece, the peoples at first sight would most likely perceive it as a divine person that came to them. In present time, someone from the future appears and is going to be perceive as anything but divine.
funny how the story of prestor john and the nestorian monks really changed the history of Asia/China. I mean the later half of the century there were so many converts because people have already heard of these stories before. It's even funnier when the Chinese are looking for this supposed Kingdom in the area around the silk road.
Yeah - we have exactly the same story but he's loyal to the Orthodox Church. My Islamic colleague says that the Muslims believed there was a mighty Iman Djinn who ruled over 72 virgins in the West (each Virgin has a mythical land ascribed to her). It is funny to hear you think this story is unique to your culture and/or religion!
Good video. I didn't know about Priester John. - One thing however... I always chuckle when I see some medieval drawings... looking like an 8-yr old made them. Others are quite good. I blame the catastrophic failure of the quality of European drawings on the fall of Rome... It took hundreds of years for European art to recover.
I've used Prester John's legends for some old Top Secret SI rpg games I ran back in the 90s. The game setting was based on a pulp fiction Earth of the 20s and 30s.
I won't sub to a channel that promotes scams. This is an excellent video, though, so I'm hoping you get your act cleaned up soon. I've read and heard about Prester John many times, but this gives far more detail than anything previous.
_"Three magi who visited Jesus after his birth..."_ You know, you don't have to rely on carol singers for your Biblical knowledge - there are plenty of sites online where you can read it yourself for free. Here's the relevant verse: _Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,_ (Matt 2:1)
There were no "atheists" up until the late modern era. Prior to that, there may have been agnostics. That said, I would argue that there hasn't been any atheist ever in the history of mankind. To be a true atheist, you would have to possess the definitive proof of the absence of God. That proof is, of course, non-existent, and as such, people who claim to be atheists are merely agnostics (they do not believe in God because they don't know whether he exists).
I think St. Germaine was more of an impressive story than this guy going off the ignorance of the ppl of that day.... Him, this guy and Rasputin all had the same type of mentality it seems. 😂😂
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just so you, and everyone in the comments knows, the masterworks system is a scam. it literally says in their terms "be prepaired to hold the assets for an indefinite amount of time". which just means they never intend to sell the paintings, and even if they could, it won't be through the major auction houses that deal with art. they keep that circle of buyers very closed off to any outsider trying to "change the system"
It reminds me of NFTS or established titles. Tbh, all RUclips sponsors are a scam, but they have to keep the lights on so what can you do…
Thank You I was wonder why a historical channel I respect was peddling this obvious scam garbage
@@Jones25ful Like everyone else they need to make money
@@fidelio9301 making money with a sponsorship that is an actual product is fine, because you actually get something out of it. It might not be good, but you get something. With investments and also gambling sponsorships, people can sink their entire savings into these. Especially when its falsely portrayed as being a "sure return" and ruin them financially
@@MrHangman56 Why would anyone take financial advice from a RUclipsr…Also, none of the products are actually good products. Or do what they say they do. They are all scams too.
I hear Prester John also was selling subscriptions to masterworks.
When the Papacy first heard of Genghis Khan he was initially confused for the Mythical Prester John.
The original timeline Ghengis Khan was Prester John, the Scottish were the mongols. Everything has been mixed up and rewritten, the Europeans were Muslim, the Arabs were Christian. It's a never ending simulation that keeps changing in a Quantum computer.
@@constantinople777christens5 please explain more
@@connormcclennen5696 in every other simulation, when the Scottish people develop in a flat plains like environment along side the horse, they end conquering everyone else, enslaving all others and no other cultures develop. So they got stuck way up north on the British isles with few horses to contain them in order to see what would happen, but they were also a backup plan if the English failed.
@@constantinople777christens5 ok you're crazy methinks
@@constantinople777christens5 nah
It seem that Prester John is a mix of knowledge of the Syriac Christian church established by St Thomas in southern India and the Ethiopian Kingdom in Africa. Both places being beyond the range of Europeans at the time.
Yep.
I've been thinking Ethiopia too. Both Christian and powerful at the time.
What if Ethiopia/India was what we call America?
@@514ExcWest india trading company
I doubt that he’s quite
Masterworks: You pay so someone can buy the actual art ;)
And before people complain: Yes, that is how the scam works. They also sell land in Scotland.
Oh no, they're the same people who do that Established Titles rubbish? Definitely a scam then. That's unfortunate. RUclipsrs need to make money, but they really shouldn't try to sell actual scams to their viewers.
@@beth7935 General rule of thumb when it comes to these things. If a company has to reach out to youtubers to create ads, then no "trustworthy" advertisment agency wanted them on board. That by itself is a big red flag.
airup, opera gx, established titles, betterhelp, all that stuff's basically a scam.
just skip the ad part of the video and enjoy the rest - the youtuber in question's already been paid by them to put it in regardless, and wont be paid on how many people actually watch that specific section
The legend of Prester John has a curious parallel in Mexico. In the late XVII century, historian and priest Carlos de Sigüenza y Góngora claimed that the Nahua god Quetzalcóatl was indeed Saint Thomas the Apostle who had traveled from Judea to India and later to the Americas and preached the Gospel to the natives. According to Sigüenza, St. Thomas had also helped to set up Christian kingdoms which reverted to paganism centuries after his death, worshiping the Apostle as a god. Later, on December 12th 1794, the Dominican priest Fray Servando Teresa de Mier gave a fiery sermon in which he claimed that not only had St. Thomas preached to the natives as Quetzalcóatl but that he also had painted the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe. Relating the native god to a mythical Christian past was one of the foundational acts of Mexican nationalism as it deprived the Spaniards of any merit when it came to the conversion of the indigenous tribes.
It is interesting that Quetzalcóatl is the only Aztec deity that was against human sacrifice and refused to accept blood from humans.
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I love this channel, but I love that women fighting on horse back was in the same list as 3 eyed men, unicorns and 200 year old men 😂
That sounds like a country I'd like to go visit!
St. Francis of Assisi went on the Fifth Crusade (this was before his conversion at San Damiano); the atrocities he witnessed on both sides of the conflict put him off of the ideas of holy wars and chivalry thenceforth.
You're actually referring to one (or both) of Francis's military endeavors during his youth, but none of them were part of the Fifth Crusade. One of them, around 1202, the skirmish between Assisi and Perugia, where he was taken prisoner and spent a year in jail; he was released and returned home very ill and close to dying. A few years later, around 1205, he once again enlisted in a military expedition led by Walter III of Brienne, but he deserted and returned to Assisi (allegedly because of a vision). He was certainly affected by PTSD, and those experiences (particularly his time in captivity) crushed the chivalric ideals and knightly dreams he held. Not long afterwards he had his decisive moment at the church of San Damiano.
The Fifth Crusade wouldn't even begin until 1217, and by the time Francis travelled to meet Sultan Al-Kamil, he had already 'converted' and been a friar for more than a decade.
@@CsnvLsRnst Thanks very much for the clarification! I knew about his captivity in Perugia, but I thought he'd been in Egypt on the Fifth Crusade prior to his conversion.
@Cindy Saroya It's a good thing that you accept the fact that you were wrong, but it wouldn't mean anything if you don't edit or put a disclaimer in your original comment so uninformed people don't actually believe the incorrect information you gave.
@@CsnvLsRnst Thank you, your clarification ...enlightening.
War is Hell.
If you're interested in the myth of Preseter John read the book, Baudolino by Umberto Eco!! It's fantastic!!
Agreed! Although it's not my favourite of his works.
@@chillialexander The Name of the Rose is my favorite, but all of his works are impressive. I only mention Baudolino because of it's including Prester John.
I read only Foucault's pendulum. Fascinating, and it may have had an influence on my conspirationist tendencies, as I read it when I was quite young. Nice book. Saw the name of the rose, with Clint Eastwood, but didn't read the book. I don't read anymore, though. Sad, but true.
@@jojolafrite90 I couldn't read at all for 5 years following a brain injury. Now that I can read again, I'm reading a lot. 56 books last year. That's a record. Haven't read Foucaults Pendulum yet tho. I started reading one book by Umberto Eco which describes a man with a brain injury suffering from amnesia and it was so close to my own experience it scared me so I haven't finished it yet.
@@sariahmarier42 that's so awesome your ability to read has returned :)
I always loved this myth and i remember being young looking at a copy of a medieval map and seeing Prester John on it and it was like a little mystery adventure exploring who he was over the years.
What the hell was Prester John smoking?
@@paulskehan693some good ass Canaanite smoke
Gotta love the sense of humor of this channel. I lost it when odin's wall was shown lol 😂
In other words, a con man arrives in Rome in the 12th century and convinces the gullible, presumably to his financial benefit.
It's more profitable to scam the scammers, they already have everyone else's money.
@vodkandrpepper what a brilliant life hack omg
Yes, East Indian propaganda...lol
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How do you explain the mongol story?
"Prester John" was a myth based on a recorded visit to the Byzantine Court and the Papacy by some rando madmen (the character may have been a composite of several different men) who told entertaining stories about lands far away and wonders unseen in the West. The Papacy then took up the stories, in order to validate their claims that Catholicism's influence stretched to all corners of the known world.
Prester John comes from a land where masterworks isnt a scam!
Mushing together the stories of several different people does seem to be a thing. And I can totally see the Papacy using the legend for their own religious & political agenda. Interesting.
The Byzantines would have always considered themselves to be Christians ( Now Eastern/Greek Othodox) and would not have described themselves as Catholic. The Western (Roman Catholic) Christian Church considered itself "Catholic" only after 1208 . The term Catholic only really gains real relevance in the Reformation to distinguish various Prodestant splits from the main Roman Church. Also the Bzantines would not have gone by this name back in the day and considered themselves Roman in name and culture. Slightly off the point but..
Stated with the authority of omniscience.
@@nattamused9074 Which part of the above statement would you consider incorrect apart from my typo on Protestant ?
I like to think that the letter from Prester John to the Byzantine Emperor was an early example of trolling, pulling together a bunch of stories and creating something out of (mostly) whole cloth!
Wait, so some guy with schizophrenia wrote a bunch of letters to the Byzantine Emperor and the Pope saying that he was the king of 72 countries with a bunch of crazy animals, zombies and magic and stuff and Medieval Europe was all like "seems legit"?
Its amazing how much prestige was given to being able to read and write back then huh roflmao
@@jeffwinkler1137 to be fair I don't think your average person around the world was able to read and write at that time. Only those who could afford to learn or used it in work used it. I doubt most people even spoke their own languages fluently back in the Medieval ages a lot of babies getting dropped on heads... lol
I don't know these are people that and who believe in a virgin birth 😂
Well back then, literacy was an automatic sign of high status and position. It didn't help that "soon" afterwards, the Mongols appeared and certain regional Khans were interested in Christianity, so people just made the 2+2 and were like "woooow it's Prester John's kingdom! They're huge so obviously the 72 countries fits!"
Just watch any live stream of a public school board meeting in America...
I’ve probably watched, especially after 2020, 15-20 videos a day on history, ancient religions, and a dose of Ancient Aliens type stuff. I’ve never heard of this cat.
Thanks for putting this out there. Too many RUclipsrs just recycle other people’s work. Real, partially real, myth, super cool story 👊🏼😎
432 the Drop has a hundred plus videos on Prester John. Hopefully you can see this comment and enjoy!
@@MilesNiska right on!!! Tnx
Sorry mate your sponsor ...... purchasing/investing in art has a long dark (as in kept in the) history with money laundering.
Yeah no shit mate you think people are going to stop buying degas because of that? Let’s just burn it all because nobody should buy it because of money laundering.
Damn right
And pedophelia/human trafficking
So do a thousand other industries, that’s how money laundering works - put dirty money in a clean industry. It’s not illegal, or unethical. Just don’t buy it, I highly doubt anyone will either lol
All I see here are upsides.
Prester John may have been St Thomas Didymas Thaddias Lebaeus - a disciple of Jesus. He was from Edessa in Syria, but travelled to Persia and India, where he founded the Edessan Church in Malabar in southern India.
The Edessan Church of Malabar still exists today.
St Thomas was reputed to be the twin brother of Jesus.
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Presser John seems legit. Let’s put him and his people in charge of all of our IT industry.
Having read Umberto Eco's Baudolino, I knew who this video was referring to from the thumbnail.
Wow first time to watch as it was uploaded.
When you study the history of South Africa there are stories of the Portuguese dumping people on the coast of Africa and encouraging them to go find Prester John.
8:22 oh thank god. i was beginning to believe that these stories MAY have been exaggerated
Medieval Madness gives us a glimpse of life in fairytale times we all love as kids 👍
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And the collective madness and irrationality that grips sections of society from time to time, including the present day.
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Yup, it does apply 👍
The Middle Ages were real times.
@@chrism9493 But not unicorns, fire breathing dragons, or men with faces on their stomachs. You read and see those stuff in fairytale books. You kinda slow up there boy 🥴
@@sonofnam4418 if you meant to say books then you made a grammatical error.
Considering that Ethiopia was Christian at that time, but isolated from the rest of Christianity by Muslim Egypt and Arabia, it's possible that a rare Ethiopian envoy made it to Constantinople and then Rome, and from that the rumor mill made up this fanciful larger than life character based on an actual far-off Christian Monarchy
the Portuguese allied with Ethiopia against the Ottomans so they dont turn Ethiopia into a muslim kingdom
@@Luzitaniumthat was way after in the 15-16th century this before that
Guernica is NOT about the Nazis its about the Spanish Civil War that was happening at the same time as WWII
Yes.... Spanish fascism which was inspired by.... who?
@@forrestlong4258 Similar doesn't mean "same."
It was about nazis. Nazi Germany bombed guernica as a part of their alliance with general franco.
@@forrestlong4258 The eternal anglo
@@forrestlong4258 Carlism.
Thanks for this. Cheers from 🇨🇦✌️
I always found the myth of Prester John to be fascinating. But let's be clear-- it IS a myth.
IKR, just like Slash
I mean, obviously. If there was ever a civilization that could be described as a utopia, it wouldn't ever be a monarchy lol.
BS! I met the dude just the other day!
@@dukeof2958 Yeah these dude's don't know what they're talking about,he was down the white horse the other night drinking Mackesons and eating dry roasted peanuts.
More a legend
Fantastic tales with a kernel of truth at their c8re
Fuck masterworks , we're advising all our clients to invest in canned goods and shotguns
Myth is a hell of a thing
there always a bit of true and reality inside the Myth
Love this channel! ❤️
There’s a recent song by Animal Collective titled “Prester John”
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While watching the video, my mind playing games with words came up with this:
"...Saint Thomas was sent to Kerala, India, in AD 1052 to preach the Gospel. There, he converted Hindus into Christians and Christians into Hindus..."
About the ad. As a freelance artist, I sure haven't noticed a raise. 😐 Taking us for granted until you can profit off us...
I think it’s another scam in some way.
@@mat5267 Yeah, that's another thing. Just speaking from a personal viewpoint here tho. Everyone wants nice looking and well designed things, covers, games, animations, comics, but also underpay creators on a daily basis.
I wouldn’t ever try to sell my art unless I have my own brand to sell from.
@@fidelio9301 I mostly do commissions and work on contracts business-wise, plus sell prints, also going to release the first volume of my comic in print some time later this year. That's about as far as I'm willing to go.
@@Telarii I think the best way is to build a brand on social media, doesn’t have to be art related, then just sell your art as a business from a website.
Hello there I am new subscriber. But I am very happy I found this channel. Your documentary of the medieval world is beyond me. Look forward to seeing your next contents ❤
Is there a possible link between John Presbyter and the Nestorian Church (The Church of the East)?
The original "John from Texasland" asking old people to buy giftcards.
I remember reading some thought of him being Black.
Brown more likely.
Syria to India to Ethiopia are the most likely places described.
There were many early branching christian sects and imo our boy PJ here is a amalgamation of far eastern churches.
@@beesmitty3435 dark brown black whatever the thing is they did not consider him European.
you didnt even mentioned the portuguese exploring africa looking for prester john and when they met ethiopia they thought they found it.
Love your content, and just so you know, in the word apostle, like the words whistle and bustle and hustle, the letter t is silent.
Picasso's painting is about the horrors of the Spanish civil war. Hitler did not invade Spain.
Pretty bad error for a historical channel to make.
The video doesn't say Hitler invaded Spain, it says "Nazi Germany's actions in Spain". i.e. sending the Condor Legion to fight in the Spanish Civil War. it was the Condor Legion that bombed Guernica.
@@pattheplanter The channel didn't make an error - Nazi Germany did get involved in the Spanish Civil War, their forces bombed Guernica.
@@marklatchford9557 Germany and Italy were both involved in the bombing of Guernica at the request of Franco. If someone wants to shift the focus of blame from Franco to his allies, they should mention both countries who acted.
@@pattheplanter I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make, The OP seems to think the Germans had no involvement in the Spanish Civil War and you agreed that was a "Pretty bad error for a historical channel to make". Simple as that. And I'm not sure why you think anyone's trying to shift any blame re Guernica. Who's trying to do that?
11:05 You pronounced MAGI wrong.
its "MAY JEYE"
not
"Maggie" like Maggie Simpson.
Ah yes! The video begins as all great stories do. Because "earlier this morning in my back yard..." is never nearly as interesting.
Prestor John was Christendom's Bill Brasky
It’s infinitely funny to me to use a sponsor that scams people on a video about a guy who scammed a bunch of people. That had to be intentional lmao.
In Germany hes know as Priesterkönig Johannes (Priestking Johannes).
it's the medieval version of the nigerian prince scam. keep sending us your princes and you'll totally get to rule a magical land where siamese pygmies ride goldshitting unicorns
I had always thought that Prester John was just a coping mechanism created by European Christians who couldn't come to grasp why the Holy Land wasnt occupied by any Christians. So this super powerful wise immortal sage king John was such an alluring and comforting idea for those in Europe.
The truth about Prester John i think prob came from the Crusades where there were many fraternal organizations like the Knights Templar all fighting out in the Holy Land and its a very good possibility a powerful knight of some order who instead of returning to Europe had made his home somewhere in the Holy Land. There were some knights able to maintain hospitable relations with some Muslim and Saracen leaders throughout the Crusades so its very likely they had built a city or a stronghold of sorts for themselves whose power and reputation was incredibly embellished as one does during the Medieval times.
The Holy Land WAS occupied by Christians. Copts, Syriacs, Orthodox, Nestorians... Their oppression was the original justification for the first crusade. There are Christians there now. There have been continuous communities of Christians in Bethlehem for nearly 2k years, just like there have been Jews in Jerusalem for going on 3k continuous years.
How do you not know this?
With all the crypto/investing scams going around these days i think I'd try and distance myself from any sponsor that deals with investing as you may be opening yourself up to liability.
I think one of the main historical facts that fueled this legend was that a substantial % of the Mongols in Genghis Khan's time were Nestorian Christians and one of the imperial consorts was a Christian and mother to later Khans. At the time of the later Crusades the French king and other Catholic potentates sent envoys to the Mongols and vice versa hoping to set up alliances against the common foe - the Islamic world. Another factor may have been that Europeans who had early contacts with the Buddhist world were intrigued by the similarity between the Buddhist hierarchies and with those of Catholicism -after all both religions had monks and nuns and monasteries and even the religious garb was quite similar. Rhinos common in south Asia may explain the unicorn legend and crocodiles and giant pythons the dragon stories.
What people's were in the ranks of the Mongol is quite surprising, but the Kahn died and all retreated as the story goes.
The George Santos of Medieval times.
"HAH... I cant believe they bought that crap!!"
- Pester John
Hey MedievalMadness, our curiosity, are you a fan or Crusader Kings?
7:36 on the right are a Blemmye and a Cyanocephalus. This wasn't the only country that claimed to see and interact with these beings.
When I read the title, my first thought was Pester John.
Some mention that it came from a Byzantine myth, but due to how the Byzantine "Romans", treated the unwashed western European diplomats, the 4th Crusade (my favorite) was no mystery.
Brilliant stuff
if this character isn't in the Fate series already, then someone needs to get on that, lol
Omg, yes
I believe in Prester John. I can only imagine what happened to his great kingdom.
Aliens. They zapped it with rayguns.
@@lukespread nope. The Muzzies got him.
It's obvious that the so called Prester John's country is really just Ethiopia
Why do still people today assume the human perception was the same from old times?
Evolution obviously did not only took place on the body but also in the mind and spirit , that is still evolving. Obviously the perceptions and understanding of things in general were not the same as today so why keep looking at the remote past with today´s perception?
That’s nonsense and not how evolution works. Do you mean cultural change? Most historians tend to take into account culture and historical context. Only a pseudohistorian or pseudoarchaeologist would ignore such things.
@@sanguillotine Thank you for your response.
I just give you one simple example.
If someone from present time would travel back in time to say, Ancient Greece, the peoples at first sight would most likely perceive it as a divine person that came to them.
In present time, someone from the future appears and is going to be perceive as anything but divine.
My new response to people who try to convince me of outlandish things: “I’ll believe that as soon as Prester John and his army gets here.”
Count of St. Germaine is most mysterious dude from back in the day.
Prester John was basically the medieval version of the Chuck Norris running gag.
I'd have to correct you: The most mysterious man ever is MERLIN
I used to work with a guy that told stories like that. He would swear they were true too. I never knew what was wrong with him.
Prester john is An Ancient Srivijayan King in Asia..
He was mythological figure
Unsubscribed. The ad was ludicrous.
One thing is for sure, Prester John must have been smoking something extra strong and downing some spirits that are extra pure
funny how the story of prestor john and the nestorian monks really changed the history of Asia/China. I mean the later half of the century there were so many converts because people have already heard of these stories before. It's even funnier when the Chinese are looking for this supposed Kingdom in the area around the silk road.
Reminds me of Baron Munchousen.
Maggie?
your sponsor is a scam
nice vid thx
It's May-geye not maggie
So chuck norris was called by another name during the middle ages?
I always say how he was the Crusaders Nigerian Prince scam.
I GOTTA saying believe Prestor John is more legit than masterworks.
Don't peddle this garbage if you want me to respect you
So would have a got a job in PR.
If you think about it, who's to say oldy worldy types didn't call rhinos unicorns?
Yeah - we have exactly the same story but he's loyal to the Orthodox Church. My Islamic colleague says that the Muslims believed there was a mighty Iman Djinn who ruled over 72 virgins in the West (each Virgin has a mythical land ascribed to her). It is funny to hear you think this story is unique to your culture and/or religion!
He never said it was unique to any culture or religion. He just looked for understanding of its existence through the lens of culture
Uh, have heard of St Thomas of India and is noted in Hindi history but never heard this wild story.
Your telling me the hype for this guy was so large they sold the 5th crusade because of him? What a bastard
read Umberto Eco: Baudolino
The Steven Seagal of his time.
Do I get to hang my Renoir on my wall?
It's not a myth. God bless ✝️
Good video. I didn't know about Priester John.
- One thing however... I always chuckle when I see some medieval drawings... looking like an 8-yr old made them. Others are quite good. I blame the catastrophic failure of the quality of European drawings on the fall of Rome... It took hundreds of years for European art to recover.
I've used Prester John's legends for some old Top Secret SI rpg games I ran back in the 90s. The game setting was based on a pulp fiction Earth of the 20s and 30s.
This is just El Dorado from Candide
The three Maggie ...
This all seems like some ruse hatched by that awful Baudolino
I won't sub to a channel that promotes scams. This is an excellent video, though, so I'm hoping you get your act cleaned up soon. I've read and heard about Prester John many times, but this gives far more detail than anything previous.
Aye dinnae be scart ta ge ma baws a wee smack aboot
Well… a Minotaur is obviously just an allegory of a well hung dude, makes me think this guy didn’t lie, just bent the truth
_"Three magi who visited Jesus after his birth..."_
You know, you don't have to rely on carol singers for your Biblical knowledge - there are plenty of sites online where you can read it yourself for free. Here's the relevant verse:
_Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,_ (Matt 2:1)
….was this guy from frickin Narnia???
so.. doctor Who, right?))
Could you do a video on atheism and relevant atheists (and how they ended) on the Middle Ages?
There were no "atheists" up until the late modern era.
Prior to that, there may have been agnostics.
That said, I would argue that there hasn't been any atheist ever in the history of mankind.
To be a true atheist, you would have to possess the definitive proof of the absence of God. That proof is, of course, non-existent, and as such, people who claim to be atheists are merely agnostics (they do not believe in God because they don't know whether he exists).
You'd get killed if they knew you were an atheist
I think St. Germaine was more of an impressive story than this guy going off the ignorance of the ppl of that day.... Him, this guy and Rasputin all had the same type of mentality it seems. 😂😂
Narcissism is very common.
The Pesterterian Church still worship him
Shame about the sponsors ad coz I didn't bother watching the rest of the video