SQUARE BODY CHEVY K10 STEERING UPGRADE
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- Опубликовано: 21 июл 2024
- THIS VIDEO SHOWS THE PROCESS OF CONVERTING A 1973-1987 CHEVY K10 SQUARE BODY TO CROSSOVER STEERING. THESE TRUCKS ARE NOTORIUS FOR DRIVING BAD WITH LIFT KITS AND OLD ANTIQUATED STEERING SETUPS. WITH THESE UPGRADES THE DRIVEABILTY IS RESTORED AND IMPORVED OVER FACTORY. DAVISOFFROAD.COM
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OK, I'll give you a 110% for the mechanics. Great crossover Steering. Excellent Welds. 100% Improvement.
Thanks for watching
I ordered a K 10 in 1973 , the power steering unit came loose , the front torsion bar had the bolts started but were never tightened up , the window regulator fell off and the little side window never worked , another Friday night special !
That’s pretty wild about your 73! Sounds like your right those guys were ready to head home that day and you just happened to end up with that one. Thanks for watching !
Hell yes I want more info/part numbers and one of those jewelry quality brackets for a 74 K20 lol Excellent workmanship and craftsmanship!
Good job , video was great ! Very informative
We appreciate the feedback. Thanks for watching!
That’s awesome! I too am starting a complete restoration series on my 1979 Chevy K10 🤘🏻 I subbed for more ..
Thanks bud, good luck on your build !
Great video
Thanks!
Awesome job
Thank you . And thanks for watching !
Great video. Thanks for the info
Thanks man! Your videos are great as well.
That is very good information to have! I was thinking about selling my 75 k10 cause it is all over the road and feels like the front end needs a full rebuild even though everything is new. I guess my next step is the cross over steering setup!
Glad the video helped. Let us know if you need anything.
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Thanks for the video. I have an 87 v10. For now,until bodywork is complete, it's stock height. I will be putting on a 4 inch lift. No offroading,just pleasure and shos. Do I need this upgrade with such a mild lift? I really enjoy driving g my truck.
We would still highly recommend at least the crossover steering at your height . If everything in your front end is fresh and you have a replacement upgraded steering box at 4”s of lift the stock setup is respectable driving, but If your going to have the money tied up in a new box, tie rods , etc. the crossover is a much better overall driving experience. Thanks for watching! Enjoy that square body !
I would like to see a detailed install on a k20 with a parts list.
@kirtchristensen9138 the install on the K20 would be the same as the k10 in this video. We will be doing a full install video on a bare frame so you can see all the parts and placement better in the near future. Thanks for watching!
That’s one of my next projects to do with my k10. But I’ve also picked up an old xj Cherokee steering shaft to get rid of the stock gm sloppy rag joint👍🏼
Yessir that’s a good upgrade, we also use the Borgeson telescoping style steering shaft on builds if they need it. In this case the stock shaft was in good health so we went along with the install. Good luck on your build ! If you need something for it let us know!
Wow, Tnkx, Davis offroad does a nice job- do you have to perform an alignment on the truck after this modification?
@yalerich7417 thanks for watching! Yes after these modifications are done an alignment will be needed.
I have an '88 K5. I'm assuming you have to remove the sway bar in order to have clearance for the crossover tie rod? 11:52
Is the track bar necessary? I plan to go offroading on some trials and might want to keep the bump stops. What do you guys think?
You are correct, with the crossover the sway bar will be removed. The track bar is an awesome addition to tighten up the loose front end feeling these trucks have typically , but with our bolt on setup you will loose the driver bump stop and the bar will be between the bump stop and unbolt plate on passenger side so that will make them inop. If you are really wheeling the K5 then the crossover will still be a great upgrade. If you have anymore than a 4” leaf spring unless you have substantial drop down brackets on the bump stops then it may not be contacting them regardless. There are many scenarios that we would have to know full info on your vehicle and spring setup to better assist but hopefully this helps some and let us know if you need anything further . Thanks for watching !
I'm a little surprised you didn't replace the rag joint with an XJ shaft and then also what about the front sway bar?
The xj shaft is a nice upgrade,but we normally do an HD Borgeson input shaft if replacing . This truck while the rag joint was not clean or pretty was actually in great shape so we opted to leave it alone . A lot of people are doing the xj upgrade chasing the sloppy steering feeling, but with the crossover and a proper box , hardware, etc. there is no more slop to chase ( of corse the rag joint has to be in good shape first and foremost) . As far as the sway bar it is removed when doing crossover steering as they intersect each other typically. Once these trucks have larger arched springs in them unless going with longer 52-56” springs up front the sway bar is not helping as much as they did on the factory setup. The track bar locating the axle to the frame really helps tighten these trucks up from frame flex and wondering on the road so in our opinion it goes above and beyond what the factory sway bar was utilized for and a great trade off. Thanks for watching!
How much was this cost at the time the video was made thank You
Great video. Do you have the parts list or the place to purchase the parts that I would need to upgrade the steering on a Chevy K5?
Email me at sales@davisoffroad.com . We carry the majority of every piece in stock , some of these pieces are custom made by us as well so we have you covered on everything you need to do this swap! Thanks for watching!
My Chevy k20 has 2.5 inch lift and I’m doing the cross over but only seen panhard bars on coilover kits. Can I install the panhard bar with my 2.5 inch lift? I’ve got the high comp. Engine cross member from ORD .
At 2.5”s of lift there is very little clearance between the engine crossmember/ oil pan area even with the high clearance unit. It’s not impossible to manipulate the track bar to go around all the obstacles, but you will have to get creative with mounting points as well as possibly putting some bends in the bar to keep it in the right location and from contacting anything it’s not supposed to.
No such thing of a 2.5 lift for these trucks
@@MrJeep75there is springs
What’s the minimum lift required for crossover steering and track bar set up??
With Axle in stock location and stock engine crossmember the smallest lift we recommend is 4”s . 6”s is ideal to start using this setup , but with a flat instead of raised steering arm on the knuckle, and a shorter track bar bracket on the frame it is accomplished just as you saw in the video. With custom engine crossmember and/or axle moved slightly forward the clearance opens up a little for less than 4”s of lift but is not the ideal street driven setup. Thanks for watching
What if I want to keep it 2.5 inch lift wat will I need?
did you buy everyting at one place or have to piece it together? (kit)
We build most of the kit and just a few pre made pieces like the steering arm are included . Reach out to sales@davisoffroad.com and we will get you quoted
Why do you need a track bar? Never had one from the factory and its leaf springs not control arms? Just curious......
@chrismiller6987 the track bar is not 100% a must for the crossover conversion, but what you will find from adding it is a much tighter and more enjoyable driving experience. Since the truck was push pull front to back style steering from the factory it didn’t have any cross pressure while steering like it does with crossover. The larger the springs you have the more leverage it will have to rock the vehicle slightly side to side with crossover steering. By locating the front end with the track bar it keeps the front end from pushing side to side and makes everything right and tight. Lots of factory style leaf spring vehicles have this same setup when crossover style steering is present from the factory (Jeep YJ, 99-04 superduty, etc. ) thanks for watching !
@@davis_off_road6524 got it...thank you for responding....
How can I get a kit for panard bar and brackets. I have this set up but no cross bar. Would really cool to get kit for me to install myself
Send me an email. Sales@davisoffroad.com we will get you a quote over with shipping on a DIY kit . Thanks for watching
I have a 1986 GMC 4x4 with the exact problems... can you add a parts list with part numbers? And i'll also be needing the custom brackets you made...can I order those?
Gives us a email at sales@davisoffroad.com we can get you all set up with all parts needed . Thanks for watching !
@@davis_off_road6524 I also have a 85 k20. I would love to get these parts. I will email you.
What could I do to improve the OEM steering setup of my 1976 K20, leaving the same standard conditions? Thanks
1st check everything. Including shackle bushings. They drive nice when even all the stock parts are good. I've owned 6 square body's and 2 blazers. Always fixed and sold
@@hankclingingsmith8707 Thank you very much
@maxamadio3779 as somebody else stated, check the front end, tie rods, leaf spring bushings, shackle frame bushings, swaybar bushings , drag links. If all that checks out good and you still need a tighter driving experience. You can definitely upgrade the stock four-wheel-drive steering box with a red head steering box four-wheel-drive replacement, as well as a Borgeson steering shaft from the column to the steering box or replacement rag joint in the stock steering shaft ( some people do the xj Jeep steering shaft swap) with a tight front end , good steering box , and intermediate shaft the truck should be back to its former glory . Thanks for watching!
Thank you very much for the reply. Best@@davis_off_road6524
Does any one sell a complete steering kit,I I have a 80 Chevy 4 x 4 steering is only compliant. Or at least a good parts list.
We are releasing our steering and track bar complete kits this week. Reach out to sales@davisoffroad.com we can take care of you
Well this work on a stock 87R30 dully? I need a tighter turning radius for when I tow.
No sir it will not work on stock height
Thank you
What about the sway bar. Isn't it necessary?
The crossover steering and sway bar intersect each other causing the need to permanently remove the sway bar . With this steering setup and track bar upgrade the driving experience is far superior to the OEM push pull steering and the stiff sway bar so removing it is not a downgrade . With the 4” and larger lifts most companies don’t drop the sway bar far enough to retain factory angle anyway so they are normally in a bind causing a bouncy or stiff ride. We gain smoother suspension travel and of coarse better drive ability after this setup. Thanks for watching !
Do you sell a kit with all the needed components for this upgrade?
Yes we sell all the conversion parts needed to do the same job you watched. Email me at sales@davisoffroad.com for a quote . Thanks !
Why did you use the old rag joint ?
As explained in previous comments the rag joint was in fine shape on this truck and the customer opted to keep it . We have full capability to do any upgrade and the Borgeson shaft would be our upgrade choice if opting for it . Back to this truck ..the rag joint was in fine condition and with our steering and track bar upgrade this truck drives better than squares did from the factory . Thanks for watching !
Can you give a list of the parts and distributors?
Most of these parts are built by us in house. Contact sales@davisoffroad.com we now have a full bolt on kit available for your squarebody trucks
Where can I purchase this entire kit for my 76 k10 4x4 6 lug?
Send me an email sales@davisoffroad.com or give a call to 804-625-4008. We will get you fixed up
Do you sell the pan hard bar brackets ?
Yes we do . Email sales@davisoffroad.com thanks !
Can you say how much that install cost out the door? Thank you.
Send an email to sales@davisoffroad.com we will quote your exact scenario out for you . Thanks for watching !
How important is the track bar? Havent seen that before.
The larger the springs the more important the track bar. As the springs get more arch and the axle gets further from the frame the crossover will start to flex the springs and spring bushings slightly left to right as you steer. The track bar locates the axle left to right and keeps everything in place so your steering stays tight and responsive. It is not a must do , but it is standard on all the setups we do for trucks with 6”s of lift and up. Thanks for checking the video out !
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@@davis_off_road6524 Where can I find the parts for the track bar seen here? Love the video! MK
@@Kurnacopia we make the brackets in house here. I also have all the materials and rod ends in stock to make up a bar at any length to work for your application. Send email with zip code for shipping cost to Sales@davisoffroad.com and we will get you quoted up. Thanks for the view , we appreciate you !
Need for my 84 blazer
What size lift and tires brother
This truck was a 6” lift with 35” tires on 16” wheels
What the price of the whole set up installed
Email sales@davisoffroad.com we will get you a quote
What does something like that cost? @davis offroad
Are you looking for parts cost only or a full installed cost? @antoniopettaway4986
Have a parts list?
Full parts list is in the video. If you’re interested in the full kit we sell it complete. Give us a call 804-625-4008 or send me an email at sales@davisoffroad.com.
How much does the crossover cost
The crossover setups vary depending on brand of parts you use , but typically parts cost on the steering box, pitman arm, crossover bar, steering knuckle, steering box brace ,steering arm and hardware runs in the $1600-1700 range. The track bar components once again depending on if your using pre formed or custom made brackets runs in the $500 range . There is a fair amount of labor involved in doing this swap so that would reflect if your doing the work yourself or a shop is doing it for you but we typically do the full package you saw in this video for around $3500. Keep in mind there are some companies out there offering cheaper parts , hardware , etc. but with the parts we use this is the ballpark to expect . Thanks for reaching out !
Can we get the part numbers for all the products used? I would love to do a setup like this on my chevy.
Email me at sales@davisoffroad.com some of these parts are off the shelf and some of them are custom pieces we do in house. Either way we can get you hooked up with the full kit to do the job . Thanks for watching !
just went through this. similar lift if not higher. i did it way cheaper with the drop pitman, raised knuckle, steering gearbox support bracket to stop cracking and u joint steering shaft. same results. less than half the cost. shes nice n tight now and i have full rotation left to right. no need for cross over unless youre building a monster truck. waste of money otherwise
@@cshirley2922 we are here to help not argue. That being said we are sure your truck drives much better than it did before with all your upgrades . However there is not a truck out there with push pull steering that drives tighter and more responsive than crossover steering with our panhard bar setup. Keep in mind we have owned personally and have worked on hundreds of these trucks doing these upgrades in many different lift scenarios. We agree with you that our crossover/panhard bar works awesome on 10-12” large lifted squares, but it shines just as well on 6-8” lift kits and our setup works all the way down to 4” lifts. We are happy you made a noteworthy improvement on your ride . We are still willing to put this setup against any push pull upgraded OE style setup any day of the week for the absolute BEST driving experience on a lifted square. Thanks for the view and we wish you luck with your square as our goal is to help keep as many on the road as possible .
@@davis_off_road6524 who's arguing? Sorry you're butt hurt about my comment. Simply telling people there's a much cheaper way to correct steering. And there's no way to get any tighter. My truck drive just as tight as my new Silverado. You are literally using the same type of gearbox. Learn how to adjust them. Now carry on
How is 15 more parts going to be tighter lol that's like saying an at is more reliable than an AK. Simply a lie. As I said unless you're rock crawling or building a monster truck it's pointless.
@@cshirley2922 15 more parts in crossover ?? Let’s see you have a steering box, pitman arm, drag link, and a steering arm that attaches to your steering knuckle . Sounds like the same amount of components in your steering system doesn’t it? The difference is the length and geometry between the two. The panhard bar is not part of the steering system it is a complement to it. You say we are running the same steering box as you? So you have a 2wd box on your push pull setup? And while we’re able to adjust a steering box why would we need to with a properly built box? . We have no reason to lie about how much better this makes these trucks , maybe you can’t or don’t want to hear that because you only have feedback on your one particular setup. We have been installing these setups for 20+ years this isn’t something that just came to light . Remember you’re the one watching steering videos on squares. We do these videos to help people if you don’t like it , no sweat here .
How can I go about purchasing a tra bar set up
@leogetsome email us at sales@davisoffroad.com we can get you fixed up
I’ve sent an email but not heard a response yet. It’s been about a week
Where do I get the whole kit
Email me at sales@davisoffroad.com . This is a setup we put together so multiple vendors plus custom parts from us. I will be happy to give you a shipping price with all the parts once I have shipping address. Thanks for watching ! @willbugs9773
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Parts list
Give us an email at sales@davisoffroad.com we can get you set up with all parts needed for your square . Thanks for watching
I thought 4x4 were supposed to be all over the road? ;)
Baddass upgrade but after all that work customer shoulda ditched the rag joints and upgraded to cj or borgeson shaft
We do the Borgeson shaft quite often, this factory shaft and rag joint were in good shape so the customer opted to stay with them. We do always recommend that upgrade if it’s needed or in the budget. Thanks for watching !
A trackbar is no replacement for a good or even halfassed sway bar, especially on the street, if you use real shocks instead of the crap dampeners they use after lift kits, that makes a night and day difference, but, safety and comfort is no excuse for looks to most I suppose
The thousands of squarebody trucks we have built , driven, raced , jumped, towed with, abused , etc. would say otherwise in this situation. We build these setups not for looks , but so people can drive , use, and enjoy their lifted squares . We will 100% put our crossover steering and track bar setup against any push pull steering setup w/ the antiquated factory solid mount sway bar on these trucks in any kind of situation . Most come in having to work to keep them in between the ditches ,and leave driving 70mph with a single finger on the steering wheel. So not only does it drive better , the driver themselves are much more comfortable in their trucks as they aren’t white knuckling the steering wheel the whole time. Maybe you’re speaking of a different vehicle in general , but we have more real life experience with this conversion than most people will see in a lifetime on 73-87 squares. Either way thanks for watching and your input .
I'm told only works on 4" or better lift. I have 3"
4” and up is the preferred size for this setup. With a flat steering arm on the knuckle you should get away with the crossover steering part of it . The track bar is going to be your clearance issue at that height . It’s not that it can’t be done it’s just going to have different style mounts and possibly a slight bend in the track bar . Thanks for watching !
Um what about bump stop? If you actually use the truck thats extremely necessary.
Bump stops are only necessary if any part of your axle , steering, or drivetrain will contact a stationary part of the vehicle like the frame , crossmembers , etc. On squarebodys the bump stop mount is so far away from any moving parts once lifted they are inop. At that point unless you make long drops to get them back closer to the axle it will never use them ( lift kit companies don’t even include drops because they know the truck isnt relying on the stops any longer) While we agree that with low slung vehicles that are heavily Offroad or race trucks that are jumped at any speed may need bump stops if they have any contact points that you don’t want happening. The main goal for most customers is to be able to drive and enjoy their truck and that’s the reason for this video. We have many race squarebody trucks that use this steering setup in conjunction with 2.0 hydro bump stops and custom mounts that we make and we will elaborate on those in another video soon. Thanks for watching !
Lmao try driving mine if you think that's bad!!!😂😂
I have 16" of lift and 44s!!!!!!
O yea we have surely seen worse than this truck.
It'd be a way better video if you dropped the annoying music, good info though.
Thanks for watching! We try to make it work for everyone , of coarse it fits some and not others and that’s ok. We appreciate the view and comment. Stay tuned !
I think the music goes good with the time lapse
No music now
Send me an address for this kit
Get your momma to drop the music 👉👌
The music sucks