I can't help but to look at the Captain America show and think: "This could have been a Showa era Kamen Rider show." Like we got motorcycle action, Cap is wearing a helmet as a mask. Just have Hydra be the villains and boom you have your weekly superhero tv show.
Even with the helmet, that costume is still way better than the MCU. They didn't tone down the blues, remove the whites and reds and throw on 1,000 brown straps.
@@bowserbreaker2515you must be pure coping, Captain America has had the most consistently good and practical costumes (besides Avengers obviously). The tactical look is part of why people started taking the character seriously instead of looking at him like they do Superman. His Endgame suit is the best the character could ever look without looking ridiculous. Spandex doesn't work in grounded live action when it's rubbery and shiny. That's why Daredevil on Netflix didn't do it.
@@Whiteythereaper Cap's Marvel's Supes. He's been a well known and respected character since 1940 when Jack Kirby and Joe Simons came up with him. Sure the more muted colors make sense time period-wise, but present day the iconic brights would be more ideal. I mean "when Captain America throws his mighty shield...all those who chose to oppose his shield must yeild!"
I always wondered what types of stories would be tackled had CBS not canceled the show after (according to Reb Brown) they ordered six episodes which Brown also said would've had Cap crossover with both the Hulj and Spider-Man. Also, the first of the two Superboy actors is JOHN Haymes Newton.
@@WarriorSmurf they probably would have adapted Cap's 70's stories...and maybe had flashbacks to the 1940's where Steve's dad was effectively Marvel Hippolyta except dude (like how during the turn of the millenium due to ever shifting Anti-Matter Crisis-Energy John Byrne came up with the Hippolyta was JSA WW who had some solo adventures compromise because Janette Khan didn't want to make Diana regain her immortality even though with the fused histories of all Earths, Diana should have been able to be doing her own solo thing and only occasionally be part of the JSA because she was only a part-timer as their Secretary of Defense, not their coffee girl and notetaker even if she can do so....Amazons are not coffee girls...they have coffee dudes instead, 🤣!) Also I can see a Live Action Marvel 70's Monday thing (because Marvel Monday sounds comic-bookish and probably would have made Mondays feel less manic as an Afterschool lead in following the Lunchtime Gameshow Block) following this pattern. Spiderman-Hulk-Cap...and maybe they would have been able to attempt other shows to spin out...like Thor since there was that appearance in Hulk and then bring in Black Widow in either Spider-Man or Captain America since Natasha can be introduced either way...although as a peace promotion during the Cold War...Cap's show would make the most sense, then have Spidey introduce Quicksilver and his sister the Scarlet Witch...then if Thor got a show, bring in Iron Man "all jets a-blaze" before he gets his own show and introduce Hawkeye on Tony's show...and finally...Cap could assemble something.
I can’t get over Guy Gardener’s hodge podge of Green Lantern costume in the justice league of America movie. He has Kyle’s mask, Hal Jorden’s hair, and Guy’s costume.
I feel xavier recently has gone from 'spider-man' channel to the apologist of old forgotten superhero media or "diehard 1994 fantastic four fan". It's really cool seeing this stuff talked about in a way that isn't just "it's shit and cheap".... which these are mostly but still I like how you give them the light of day. I know it isn't but it feels like fantastic four 1994 is just now your favourite film of all time and your happiness just mentioning it is so infectious.
If I had a nickel for every time Pedro Pascal was involved in a Wonder Woman project, I would have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it happened twice.
Knowing Legends of the Superheroes is essentially the live action version of most of the main DC heroes while the Chris Reeve Superman was around is… crazy. Imagine being a DC comics fan, having loved how well done and earnest the Superman movie treatment was- and you find they did the whole Justice League in live action you’d be all excited and then… it’s that
Considering it seemingly is the Justice League in the 1966 Batman TV Show universe, though, one might have felt like it makes sense that *this* is what the Justice League is like in Adam West Batman's world
I remember when it came out but it never aired again. I spent years wondering if I really saw it or was it a dream. Back then as a kid it was exciting just to see live action versions of these characters. Cable TV wasn't even invented yet, so all we had were comic books, cartoons and then these crappy 1st generation live action versions.
I remember that movie, I saw it when I was a kid. One of the first movies they repeated because of the whole no means of recording yet. Cant remember much of the flick though, it was a loooooong time ago.
I’m surprised you guys didn’t talk about the ONLY Nick Fury movie that stared DAVID HASELLHOFF Edit: holy crap over 100 likes?!?!?! Thank you all so much
My memory is fuzzy but I believe Nick Fury was a TV movie of the week that actually aired and was not a series pilot. Generation X falls into this category as well.
@@shaunstudios163 I think that people came around to Andrew because of his good acting, rather than the quality of his actual movies. That’s how it was for me, at least.
I'm still scratching my head at the level of hype surrounding Jennifer Gardner's Elektra supposedly showing up in Deadpool 3. Nostalgia culture is killing the cape genre.
The Aquaman pilot was the very reason Aquaman didn't show up in Seasons 2 and 3 of JLU. Damned embargos. Instead of Black Manta, we got Devil Ray (played by Michael Beach, who wound up playing Manta's father in the DCEU movie) and he fought Wonder Woman instead. Then Deadman took over Batman's body and shot him with a gun.
Devil Ray's at least a good villain name though....and Wonder Woman and Aquaman are best friends so why wouldn't she get "an HB knockoff" even if HB didn't need to make a knock-off for him....actually DC always does that whenever they can't use particular character.
@@Superlad9494 Like when Static Shock made Soul Power instead of Black Lightning cause they didn't wanna pay the creator royalties for using the actual character?
The 2011 Adrianne Palicki Wonder Woman is my favorite because of just how weird and bad it is. Like... incredibly out of touch. Clearly made by a couple of dudes with a very trivial understanding of pop-feminism. It's awesome! I kinda wish it went to a full series. I wanna see how bad it could've gotten.
@@somerandoladrequired effects were too expensive. They were struggling enough with Flash when it started, and Legends of Tomorrow stretched it further
There was a huge cry over her costume when photos were revealed that Wonder Woman was wearing pants instead of her actual costume. That's why they added the final fight scene with her in the iconic costume, to keep folks happy.
Comics was like blaxploitation a few years earlier -- a fringe niche that got terrible time slots and was pre-empted for pretty much anything. It took STAR WARS to build a market segment so big, even cynical Hollywood suits had to take it seriously. Plus it spawned an SFX industry that could make the stuff watchable.
Hey Xavier. I wanted to tell you that I really appreciate all your videos and your sense of humour and it's been really helpful in cheering me up lately because I unfortunately lost my grandfather this past Saturday and it's been really hard for me. Thank you for all you do.
The Justice League pilot was based on Justice League International, which is one of my favorite comic series. The pilot is still pretty terrible, though.
Honestly the Justice friends from dexters lab played to its strength and made it a comedy. Superheroes “that live under one roof and face the challenges of everyday life.”
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The pilot is great all things considered. It stays mostly true to the source material, it doesn't blow up the budget, it has good acting, decent writing and (thank god) good pacing.
Honestly a video about this but with superhero cartoons would be rad. Sure, there arent many outright pilots, but with the animatons that we have for that Deadpool show, Captain America from the 90s and that Captain Marvel cartoon is more than enough
18:31 credit cards? You mean BAT credit cards?! They gave him BAT, credit cards?? They had the BALLS, to give one of the greatest super heroes of all time, BAT CREDIT CARDS!!! NOOO!!! NOOOOOOO!!!
I've seen this sort of stuff often. It's not only true for comic books to movies but pulp magazine to movies. I would LOVE to see a Shadow movie that follows the first novel The Living Shadow. The focus on the book was not the Shadow but his new helper Harry Vincent. When I started watching the Baldwin Shadow movie and it started with the Shadow saving a chemist's life and then telling him that the Shadow now owns him I thought "finally, someone's going to make a REAL Shadow movie" but sadly everything else went downhill after that.
Undeniably fascinating -- for sure! LOVE the coverage. Thanks for answering so many questions and shining a light on "failures" that ended up helping add up to epic comic-based film entertainment today.
The 2011 pilot was atrocious I mean I like Adrianne palicki as Sam’s girl friend Jessica in supernatural but as Wonder Woman she’s basically a female Homelander in which she’s more villainous than the villain of the show (except homelander is a villain the pilot expect us to buy her as a hero) in fact she makes homelander look like superman with how violent she is and this is coming from someone who’s only seen bits and pieces of the boys and has only seen Eric kripke’s other show supernatural
I've been told that the 2011 pilot would've been amazing if it ended with Diana ditching her red, white and blue costume, donning a black costume and began calling herself Superwoman, revealing that it actually took place on Earth-3 the whole time. You want to accept that headcanon?
The best part of Generation X is Jubilee dropping two f-bombs in a row. Out of all X-Men characters to be the first on screen mutant to drop a hard profanity, she was the one I would've never expected.
I will volunteer to give Adrianne Palicki a hug. But seriously, there was a TV pilot in 1954 for Mandrake the Magician, as well as a 1979 TV film that was to serve as a pilot. In 1968, there was an attempt to pitch a animated series of DC's Blackhawk, which only got to the drawing stage - in the early 1980s. Steven Spielberg was going to make a Blackhawk movie, but opted for Raiders Of The Lost Ark instead. The TV movies made after The Incredible Hulk ended were supposed to serve as pilots for two series, one for Thor, and the other for Daredevil.
Fun Fact: In Legends of the Superheroes, the actress who played Giganta, Aleshia Brevard, was a trans woman. She was recommended to a gender reassignment surgeon after being a drag queen at Finocchio's Club who did Marilyn Monroe shows. These were so popular Marilyn herself went to go see Aleshia perform.
I always assumed that this Justice League adaptation was trying to capture the tone of the Giffen and DeMatteis run, where they were stuck with more obscure characters and focused heavily on the "behind the scenes" moments of the League
Same with the 2006 Aquaman pilot. Since Wonder Woman and Aquaman are pretty much the only main DC heroes that never got to appear in the Arrowverse, nothing says these *can't* be the Arrowverse versions of these characters
@@NIDELLANEUM I don't think Wonder Woman (Palacki) is the Arrowverse version, perhaps she exists in an alternate Earth that gets the axe during the crisis, but she's not the Earth-Prime Wonder Woman or at least not the version depicted in 2011 based on the Strackzjynski run where everyone wondered why he was writing that woman in the style of that weird "Titanifying Leaguers" trend that got started with Hal oddly. Before the movie, Wonder Woman was planned to have her own series called Amazon...and yes I'm sure it would have aired in Prime Time on Wednesdays (because Wonder Woman Wednesday is a thing.) If anything based on the Arrowverse adaptations at the time using Nu52 runs, I would expect the Azzarello and Finch runs to be adapted with the following cast list Adrianne Palacki as Wonder Woman/Diana Prince, Erica Durrance as Donna Troy (because she got to provide the punchline to Dana Delaney's joke twice!), Ellie Fanning as Cassie Sandsmark, Lynda Carter as Hippolyta...and maybe borrow something from 90's comics about why she has that other jet, but only in flashbacks to WW2, Keke Palmer as Nubia (Nubia's attitude has Aisha, Fairy of Waves written all over it.), Molly C. Quinn as Artemis Grace (if Bloom can be Supergirl...she can certainly pull off Wonder-Jason Todd think "full dragon fury!" if Blook were Artemis.) and have C.C.H. Pounder return to the screen as Live Action Waller this time while also getting unknowns for Steve and Etta...after that for the major Villainy Inc. Members? Use actors previously planned for Wonder Woman if possible that went nowhere because failed pilots. Cheetah would be Megan Gale because of all that madness that JL: Mortal went through...it would give her all the reason in the world to be unreasonably jelly and become the Jokerized-Lex fusion as the former friend gone rogue of Wonder Woman and Silver Swan would be Jessica Beil...because Vanessa's attitudes aren't all that different from Mary Camden's defiant nature are they? (Beil was also considered for the Whedon movie that got axed, but she declined because...Mary Camden is no Wonder Woman..she's a lot more like Silver Swan.) and we'll just let these be the only regular comic villains for now since they have the most prolific grudges against Diana. For those Greek Monstrosities? Get other popular 90's WB actors that were not from 7th Heaven to do so. 7th Heaven actors would have fallen under different categories...given that David Gallagher was already playing as Zan/Downpour of the Wonder Twins on Smallville (and not really the role I'd have picked since early seasons showed Simon was explicitly a Flash fan...and they probably would have wanted to save the WB's only other show to last the rebranding besides Smallville's cast for other things. I also would have changed one plotpoint in the "Sons of Themyscira" arc to instead of them being teens, have them be actual kids to give them choosing to stay with Hephaestus over Diana on the island more weight...except one boy...one boy actually would want to try it, and when she learns his name is Bellerephon, she's glad her efforts aren't totally useless, but learns to understand. Aquaman? Same idea...Hartley's earth exists somewhere before Crisis, but gets axed. The Earth-Prime version follows the Johns Nu52 run with a different cast.
The Captain America pilot feels like a failed attempt at trying to create an American version of Kamen Rider, which is also about a costumed hero riding a motorcycle... except Kamen Rider is much better.
Wow what a wild collection of superhero tv pilots. It’s certainly a fascinating deep dive and it’s so cool that you got Omni-frame to join you on this project. I will have to check out his channel later when I have the time. Great job on this project. Definitely a wild ride and I hope you will cover more obscure superhero projects like this in the future. If I had to pick one of these pilots, I’d go for the 90s justice league one because it looks like they really had a good strong team of heroes and they even had a good format for the adventures. However every single one of these pilots is a fascinating story in its’ own way in my opinion.
I feel like the vibe of that one JL pilot that felt like friends with superpowers would have been better fit for a Great Lakes Avengers adaptation, which could be more fun and ambitious as well as action packed in my opinion.
I remember, when I originally saw the pilot way back when, that it was a Super Hero version of Friends. And I'm not a fan of Friends, one of the few. 🙂 TV budgets, especially back then, just couldn't really do big superhero action pieces. It's why the 50s Superman TV show mainly fought normal crooks and very few mad scientist types. It's a big limitation to doing a good superhero TV show. CGI helps now but it's expensive too.
In a similar fashion, it’s quite annoying how more often than not, super hero movies scripts focus more on deconstructing the hero than on telling a good lore-faithful story
The producers likely want to get new viewers not loyal readers so they simplify the story for the general public. Budget constraints might play a part also. Look at "The Incredible Hulk." Simply put, a guy gets irradiated. He gets angry or hurt and he turns into a large muscular green creature that wreaks havoc. The comic book readers get aliens and the US Army and Rick. The TV viewers get a "Fugitive" story.
@supremelordoftheuniverse5449 it's because: 1. well-established characters are already known to the public, so new interpretations must deal with the fact they have to cater to a certain understanding of the character but at the same time must do something totally new in order for the public to not get tired; 2. times change and as so the creators probably insert new worldviews and cultures into their interpretation of the character (which they try to make something original and meaningful in order to say something more than just "this guy in spandex hits bad guys or something"); 3. since culture has been stagnant since at least the 90's, to achieve all that originality modern sensibilities require, a play on the form is the best way to achieve such thing (like Into the Spider-verse does: it engages with Spider-Man media by virtue ofplaying with it, redesigning its structure in order to
@supremelordoftheuniverse5449 it's because: 1. well-established characters are already known to the public, so new interpretations must deal with the fact they have to cater to a certain understanding of the character but at the same time must do something totally new in order for the public to not get tired; 2. times change and as so the creators probably insert new worldviews and cultures into their interpretation of the character (which they try to make something original and meaningful in order to say something more than just "this guy in spandex hits bad guys or something"); 3. since culture has been stagnant since at least the 90's, to achieve all that originality modern sensibilities require, a play on the form is the best way to achieve such thing (like Into the Spider-verse does: it engages with Spider-Man media by virtue ofplaying with it, redesigning its structure in order to
@supremelordoftheuniverse5449 it's because: 1. well-established characters are already known to the public, so new interpretations must deal with the fact they have to cater to a certain understanding of the character but at the same time must do something totally new in order for the public to not get tired; 2. times change and as so the creators probably insert new worldviews and cultures into their interpretation of the character (which they try to make something original and meaningful in order to say something more than just "this guy in spandex hits bad guys or something"); 3. since culture has been stagnant since at least the 90's, to achieve all that originality modern sensibilities require, a play on the form is the best way to achieve such thing (like Into the Spider-verse does: it engages with Spider-Man media by virtue ofplaying with it, redesigning its structure in order to
For Green lantern it’s because of the neck. For the flash….idk I think his suit is fine in the film even if the cgi is weird. At most the lack of a chin strap is a weird thing
Oh wow, Rick Bennett? He's my 2nd cousin, believe my mom's uncle's son. I had to rewind when mentioned the voice of The Juggernaught, who I new he voiced on that fox series. He died in 2019, worked as a teacher at the toronto film school til the day be passed away. I never met him,but my mom told be he did filming an was on a cartoon I watched. Bennett is my mom's maiden name. Neat to learn what else he worked on.
The 1997 JLA movie was during a time period when the JLA comics was EXACTLY like that. They had "character looks at the PoV and talks about events in the comic" interview panels, Martian Manhunters oreos addiction, Blue Beetle and Booster Gold getting an apartment together after they both lost their jobs, Fire trying to break into acting/modeling, etc.
“Friends with superpowers” I could see a Great Lakes Avengers show as a toned down It’s always sunny in Philadelphia. Edit: THATS GUY! I thought it was Kyle.
I think the reason they dropped the WWII origin for the Captain America show was that Hogan’s Heroes and Patton probably rented out all the props and costumes. Either that or it was prohibitively expensive to do so. The show looks like it was meant to market to 20 something’s at the time and I guess Steve’s original backstory would’ve made him less relatable.
It was probably cost and the Vietnam Era anti-military feelings in parts of the country, so they didn't want to backstory him being a soldier. To be honest, as much as I love Captain America, the WW2 backstory is getting, I don't know ... dated? With all the advancements in science in the last 70+ years, no one can still duplicate the experiment that made Captain America? Though I did like in the First Avenger movie, it was brought up that the process also enhances what's inside a person, not just giving them powers. Which is why Steve was chosen, because of his patriotism, his willingness to fight even when he wasn't fit for it, his ability to sacrifice himself for others, for being ... a hero at heart. All other folks who got the serum lacked the inner strength to be Captain America.
@@DavidMcMahon-b3o It was almost certainly the Vietnam, anti-military stuff, although it wouldn't be long before that suffered a huge backlash. Even the original Six Million Dollar Man pilot turned the character into a civilian pilot and astronaut. Subsequent movies and the series reverted him to being an AIr Force officer as in the books.
@@carlrood4457 and that also probably was what caused Wonder Woman's show to decline after the Bicentennial so even if the WW2 angle had been kept....it would have been seen as a Wonder Woman clone...actually...wait...even this pilot still might be that too...dude's even called Steve....say is that Trevor's daydream?
It's a real shame that Power pack has never been adapted into a cartoon. I think it lends itself much better to animation than live-action. Then again, I feel like every superhero lends themselves better to animation than live-action.
So... Adam West and Frank Gorshin did SORT OF reprise their roles one more time (along with Catwoman's Julie Newmar) and Burt Ward of course) in Return to the Batcave: the Misadventures of Adam and Burt. They aren't playing Batman and the Riddler in it but they're playing fictionalized versions of themselves who sort of step into the role of their fictional counterparts. Frank Gorshin steals the Batmobile and Adam and Burt need to track him down.
Another banger by GodzillaMendoza! On that note, I just watched the unreleased first pilot of Powerless, and I'm honestly shocked that they felt the need to change the script and remake the pilot but way worse. Show was picked up and cancelled after one 13 episode season. But that unreleased pilot basically would've made for a different (and I would argue, better) show.
The JLA pilot is actually based on the JLA and JLI runs that were going on around the same time and had that more casual and down to earth tone rather than the big more cosmic adventures from other incarnations. That also explains the cast of characters since at that time the JLA was filled with B and C listers (aside from Flash and GL).
By the time the JLA pilot airred, the more classic JL adventures were returning though. Should have used that roster...sans Batman because Batman had movies to make so easy fix...just get Green Arrow as you do. That would have been get Dean Cain to carry over as Supes, bring on Lucy Lawless as Diana (yes she was being considered that early), keep the clock as J'onn, see if they could pull a fast one by having Charlie Schlatter be Wally under the mask like he was on S:TAS, and do the same with Kyle's S:TAS actor for GL, but Conner's GA would need at the very least a bronze guy and Aquaman would be portrayed by some new guy.
The Captain America Pilot didn't start the trend of Superhumans having full teams to help them with their missions from behind the scenes. That was Jesus, and his 12 "Guy In The Chair"s. And if you're gonna try and convince me that the Green Arrow should be more independent than Jesus Christ..
Admittedly I kinda like Wonder Woman 2011's premise. At least as an alternate take on the character separated from the comics. Wonder Woman being a businesswoman that capitalizes on her superhero antics through merchandise is pretty funny. Then again, I could be saying this because she hasn't had a tv series for literal decades, and I would accept anything at this point so she won't be the third forgotten wheel compared to Superman and Batman.
I was born in '66 and remember seeing the '74 "Wonder Woman", the '78 "Dr. Strange", and the '79 "Captain America" when they first aired. I had to look up "Captain America" because you said it was just the two television movies and I'd have swore there was a short-lived series after. But apparently my memory is crap. Great video, a walk down memory lane.
If they had retooled it to follow the Greg Rucka, Phil Jiminez and Gail Simone runs instead of J. Michael Strackjzynski's Wonder Woman: Odyssey run (which he wrote having absolutely no clue about her and was just told "make a Greek Mythology mini"...and that was probably unwise...this is a story featuring Diana that works better for Donna and so does the suit.) it could have worked.
It's funny how 70s-90s is the "realism be damned era" 00s-10s is the "we're ashamed of our silly comic origin era" 10s-20s is the "let's tickle the nostalgia era"
You think you can cover these 3 animated features that involve Stan Lee? They are Stan Lee Presents: The Condor, Stan Lee Presents: Mosaic, and Stan Lee’s Mighty Seven. When watching these, I think they have a feel of a pilot to a potential animated series. And while they’re not particularly groundbreaking, they each have their own charm that makes them entertaining.
it was in the very late 70's or very early 80's that ABC ( ch 7' ) in nyc had a TV comedy series pilot about a thor like thunder god ( nothing like Marvel's thor ) falling to earth and living at a frat house , and ever gives the late 70's hulk the credit for 1's introducing Matt Murdock's dare devil and also the mighty thor
I would love to see you talk about the Planet Of The Apes franchise. There's a surprising amount of connections to other filmmakers and even various show runners from the decades old franchise.
I'm 62 years old and started collecting comics in 1974 and stopped in 2003 when all the woke crap started, and stopped and sold them all in 2010. So glad you made this video, as when I tell folks about these pilots, and they look at me like I'm speaking Chinese. Thanks, adding this video to my Favorites.
Ah hell yeah another Mendoza video of the hilarious history of failed superhero projects. Also 2:50, what a weird question. I'm in my 20s and even I know that Zack and Kelly got married in a Vegas Saved By The Bell special. Whaddya mean "did they back together?" They had a kid in the failed "reboot." At least Slater and Jessie got together before that got cancelled. I'm having doubts that Omni Frame is a verified expert on older shit.
Cytonius here, old guy in the video. Yeah I'm well aware of the entire history of Saved by the Bell including all spin off shows and the initial series Good Morning Ms. Bliss. Me and Xavier were just joking around lol much respect
I think JLI being a more low-key series can work. Some of that book had a tone that fit the co-worker vibe. While still being action-y enough. It should get a show at some point, be it in live action or animation. Though Guy's whole thing is that he's really abrasive and annoying, so that would have to be changed.
What's REALLY funny is I watched some of these failed pilots when I was a kid. What's strange is the number of superhero movies that I watched as a kid that I can't find ANY references to today. There was a couple of Captain America movies done way back then with Ronny Cox as Bucky. There were a handful of Spider-man movies and a couple of Wonder Woman movies that I can't find any references to. One of the old Wonder Woman movies, pre-Linda Carter, had Diana Prince as more of a super-strong and super-agile detective. She used her brains more than anything else. But she was stronger and more agile than any normal person. I remember the Nick Fury movie with freaking David Hasselhoff from the 90's. lol
Len Birman, who played Dr. Simon Mills in Captain America (1979) and Captain America II: Death Too Soon (1979) also voiced Henry Pym (Ant-Man / Giant-Man) and Hercules on The Marvel Super-Heroes (1966). Captain America II: Death Too Soon (1979) originally aired on CBS in two parts as two one hour episodes airing on November 23, 1979 and November 24, 1979. The first Captain America pilot aired on January 19, 1979.
I remember being grounded around that time for not learning and memorizing the multiplication table around that time that the Legends of the Superheros aired. I never did see those shows and forgot them entirely. Thank heavens I did miss watching them entirely.
35:15 My money says the helmet and shield were 100% about selling toys that look the same way. It was nigh impossible at the time to make toys and costumes that looked more like the comic, but they probably already had molds that look like a toy motorcycle helmet, and I remember toys from that time that were made from plastic that looked just like that shield.
One of my earliest memories as a child was watching the Green Lantern turning his ring on himself to teleport somewhere. It seemed goofy and disturbing at the same time; as if he were disintegrating himself with his own ring.
The pilot for the Electra woman and dyna girl that came out in the early 90s was really great. They had a show the 70s that was moderately successful, and there was a pilot for a continuation series featuring Electra woman as a depressed drunk and a grown up dyna girl trying to get her to put on her tights and get herself together. It was actually pretty well handled and raw and I didn’t even watch the original, and I wish I could have seen the sequel take off
Fun Fact: Rod Haase, the guy who played The Flash in Legends Of The Superheroes (1979), also played the movie version of Captain Avenger, the character that John Ritter would become in Hero At Large (1980).
I grew up in the 60's and 70's and was a avid comic book reader. The only live action super hero show I watch was Shazam Isis, and the 6 million dollar man. So when I got in my 40's and 50's it was great to see super heroes on the screen. Most of the stuff like Hulk, Spiderman, Superman I was in college
I can't help but to look at the Captain America show and think: "This could have been a Showa era Kamen Rider show." Like we got motorcycle action, Cap is wearing a helmet as a mask. Just have Hydra be the villains and boom you have your weekly superhero tv show.
Even with the helmet, that costume is still way better than the MCU. They didn't tone down the blues, remove the whites and reds and throw on 1,000 brown straps.
@@bowserbreaker2515you must be pure coping, Captain America has had the most consistently good and practical costumes (besides Avengers obviously). The tactical look is part of why people started taking the character seriously instead of looking at him like they do Superman. His Endgame suit is the best the character could ever look without looking ridiculous.
Spandex doesn't work in grounded live action when it's rubbery and shiny. That's why Daredevil on Netflix didn't do it.
@@Whiteythereaper Cap's Marvel's Supes. He's been a well known and respected character since 1940 when Jack Kirby and Joe Simons came up with him.
Sure the more muted colors make sense time period-wise, but present day the iconic brights would be more ideal.
I mean "when Captain America throws his mighty shield...all those who chose to oppose his shield must yeild!"
I always wondered what types of stories would be tackled had CBS not canceled the show after (according to Reb Brown) they ordered six episodes which Brown also said would've had Cap crossover with both the Hulj and Spider-Man. Also, the first of the two Superboy actors is JOHN Haymes Newton.
@@WarriorSmurf they probably would have adapted Cap's 70's stories...and maybe had flashbacks to the 1940's where Steve's dad was effectively Marvel Hippolyta except dude (like how during the turn of the millenium due to ever shifting Anti-Matter Crisis-Energy John Byrne came up with the Hippolyta was JSA WW who had some solo adventures compromise because Janette Khan didn't want to make Diana regain her immortality even though with the fused histories of all Earths, Diana should have been able to be doing her own solo thing and only occasionally be part of the JSA because she was only a part-timer as their Secretary of Defense, not their coffee girl and notetaker even if she can do so....Amazons are not coffee girls...they have coffee dudes instead, 🤣!)
Also I can see a Live Action Marvel 70's Monday thing (because Marvel Monday sounds comic-bookish and probably would have made Mondays feel less manic as an Afterschool lead in following the Lunchtime Gameshow Block) following this pattern.
Spiderman-Hulk-Cap...and maybe they would have been able to attempt other shows to spin out...like Thor since there was that appearance in Hulk and then bring in Black Widow in either Spider-Man or Captain America since Natasha can be introduced either way...although as a peace promotion during the Cold War...Cap's show would make the most sense, then have Spidey introduce Quicksilver and his sister the Scarlet Witch...then if Thor got a show, bring in Iron Man "all jets a-blaze" before he gets his own show and introduce Hawkeye on Tony's show...and finally...Cap could assemble something.
It’s fascinating to think just how many weird superhero pilots there were, especially in the pre CW era of superhero shows.
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@@nehemiahpouncey3607 yeah
Oh, my god. Me, too.
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I can’t get over Guy Gardener’s hodge podge of Green Lantern costume in the justice league of America movie. He has Kyle’s mask, Hal Jorden’s hair, and Guy’s costume.
That wasn't Guy that was THE Green Lantern
And kyles fucking gauntlet
I feel xavier recently has gone from 'spider-man' channel to the apologist of old forgotten superhero media or "diehard 1994 fantastic four fan". It's really cool seeing this stuff talked about in a way that isn't just "it's shit and cheap".... which these are mostly but still I like how you give them the light of day. I know it isn't but it feels like fantastic four 1994 is just now your favourite film of all time and your happiness just mentioning it is so infectious.
If I had a nickel for every time Pedro Pascal was involved in a Wonder Woman project, I would have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it happened twice.
He is everywhere these days and i do not think he is that good...
@@Raximus3000 Agreed. Liked him on Narcos but the guy is seriously overexposed now.
@@alucard624
That is an understatement he is reverse Waldo, you do not look for him, he just appears in front of you.
"... I would have two nickels ..." ROFL
I might even like the guy if he hadn't fucked over Gina Carano. 🤬
Headcannon: The 1970s version of Captain America is the son of the Captain America from the 1944 movie serials.
Yeah..I can see that
That's always been my head canon as well
Oh...the one where he had a gun?
@@TimeDoptimus-1885 yes
Headcanon is for nerds
Knowing Legends of the Superheroes is essentially the live action version of most of the main DC heroes while the Chris Reeve Superman was around is… crazy. Imagine being a DC comics fan, having loved how well done and earnest the Superman movie treatment was- and you find they did the whole Justice League in live action you’d be all excited and then… it’s that
Maybe There In The Same Universe
Considering it seemingly is the Justice League in the 1966 Batman TV Show universe, though, one might have felt like it makes sense that *this* is what the Justice League is like in Adam West Batman's world
I remember when it came out but it never aired again. I spent years wondering if I really saw it or was it a dream. Back then as a kid it was exciting just to see live action versions of these characters. Cable TV wasn't even invented yet, so all we had were comic books, cartoons and then these crappy 1st generation live action versions.
It was trying to be a live action version of the Super Friends mostly for kids
I remember that movie, I saw it when I was a kid. One of the first movies they repeated because of the whole no means of recording yet. Cant remember much of the flick though, it was a loooooong time ago.
I’m surprised you guys didn’t talk about the ONLY Nick Fury movie that stared DAVID HASELLHOFF
Edit: holy crap over 100 likes?!?!?! Thank you all so much
My memory is fuzzy but I believe Nick Fury was a TV movie of the week that actually aired and was not a series pilot. Generation X falls into this category as well.
@@hjermsted22it was a TV movie that was intended to be a pilot for a SHIELD tv show that didn't get picked up
@@hjermsted22 Both were failed pilots that later aired as TV movies on FOX.
Maybe I'm too young, but it seems so weird to have anyone besides Samuel L. Jackson playing him.
@@alexkunce2002 older fans were probably confused about it being Samuel L Jackson, since he used to be white
Maybe if they make appearances in multiverse projects, people will say those heroes were always good
Tasm
@@shaunstudios163 I think that people came around to Andrew because of his good acting, rather than the quality of his actual movies.
That’s how it was for me, at least.
@@HandelGothicEnjoyer I mean yeah he actually does a good job at what he’s given
I'm still scratching my head at the level of hype surrounding Jennifer Gardner's Elektra supposedly showing up in Deadpool 3. Nostalgia culture is killing the cape genre.
@@Jean-Paul-Lane-Valley I completely forgot about her
Weird the tony stark style wonder woman is exactly how the war woman character in invincible is portrayed
that is not wonder woman that is queen maeve before queen maeve
Superboy is included in the Smallville box set. It's not really lost, just not uploaded regularly
Fascinating
The Aquaman pilot was the very reason Aquaman didn't show up in Seasons 2 and 3 of JLU. Damned embargos.
Instead of Black Manta, we got Devil Ray (played by Michael Beach, who wound up playing Manta's father in the DCEU movie) and he fought Wonder Woman instead. Then Deadman took over Batman's body and shot him with a gun.
Devil Ray's at least a good villain name though....and Wonder Woman and Aquaman are best friends so why wouldn't she get "an HB knockoff" even if HB didn't need to make a knock-off for him....actually DC always does that whenever they can't use particular character.
@@Superlad9494 Like when Static Shock made Soul Power instead of Black Lightning cause they didn't wanna pay the creator royalties for using the actual character?
The 2011 Adrianne Palicki Wonder Woman is my favorite because of just how weird and bad it is. Like... incredibly out of touch. Clearly made by a couple of dudes with a very trivial understanding of pop-feminism. It's awesome! I kinda wish it went to a full series. I wanna see how bad it could've gotten.
I'm surprised the CW didn't pick it up, given their huge catalogue of low quality superhero shows.
The only good thing to come from this pilot is the term pants to be darkened
@@somerandoladrequired effects were too expensive. They were struggling enough with Flash when it started, and Legends of Tomorrow stretched it further
There was a huge cry over her costume when photos were revealed that Wonder Woman was wearing pants instead of her actual costume. That's why they added the final fight scene with her in the iconic costume, to keep folks happy.
Yep, i remember that.
It's amazing how few of these I remember. Marketing was terrible back then...not just writing.
Comics was like blaxploitation a few years earlier -- a fringe niche that got terrible time slots and was pre-empted for pretty much anything. It took STAR WARS to build a market segment so big, even cynical Hollywood suits had to take it seriously. Plus it spawned an SFX industry that could make the stuff watchable.
Hey Xavier. I wanted to tell you that I really appreciate all your videos and your sense of humour and it's been really helpful in cheering me up lately because I unfortunately lost my grandfather this past Saturday and it's been really hard for me. Thank you for all you do.
I'm so sorry for your loss. 😢
Sorry to hear that.God bless you.
Oh yeah Pedro Pascal was in two Wonder Woman projects
Both of them bad
I enjoyed that
The Justice League pilot was based on Justice League International, which is one of my favorite comic series. The pilot is still pretty terrible, though.
Honestly the Justice friends from dexters lab played to its strength and made it a comedy. Superheroes “that live under one roof and face the challenges of everyday life.”
The pilot is great all things considered. It stays mostly true to the source material, it doesn't blow up the budget, it has good acting, decent writing and (thank god) good pacing.
Not "pretty terrible", just terrible - even by period standards.
It's kinda crazy how we'll possibly be getting the JLI in live action again next year in the Superman movie.
They should've called it JL International or something else, other than just JLA. It could've worked.
The edgy Diana must have been where Injustice took Wonder Woman from
Smallville technically had two Superboys. The Clark Kent and Connor Kent versions
Does that count if he never wore the S
@@Maskedmenace8267 both versions wore the S. Conner flat out had the black T with the Red S. And Clark had two outfits with an S
@@joeker5208 Yeah, 1 was a black trench coat, and the other was a red jacket, both had the "S" on it.
Honestly a video about this but with superhero cartoons would be rad. Sure, there arent many outright pilots, but with the animatons that we have for that Deadpool show, Captain America from the 90s and that Captain Marvel cartoon is more than enough
18:31 credit cards?
You mean BAT credit cards?!
They gave him BAT, credit cards??
They had the BALLS, to give one of the greatest super heroes of all time, BAT CREDIT CARDS!!!
NOOO!!!
NOOOOOOO!!!
I get it!
I miss that meme
Nostalgia critic reference
Obligatory Linkara ref..."Batman is rich"
Why act surprised? George Clooney's version had a credit card too....
Always a great day when Xavier uploads
Wow, I was watching one of your videos and this came out immediately.
Chubby 8-year-old me was completely enthralled by the 1979 Captain America show. Jumping the motorcycle out of the van is GOATed.
Heather Menzies was a good reason to like that movie, too.
@@gallery7596Fun Fact: Heather Menzies and Reb Brown starred with Dirk Benedict in Ssssss (1973).
10:38 Plot twist: This was actually the Injustice Version of Diana.
Yeah, that's what I thought.
She's so brutal that would work perfectly.
Cam hear to say this
That Wonder Woman 2011 pilot reminds me of the Ultimates by Mark Millar which in turn reminds me of The Boys in weird ways.
Please try watching your own videos with a burrito idk why but it is the greatest dopamine rush one can get. You’re my Go-To burrito channel
Thanks for the new video Getto Man
Guy 1: “Let’s make a comic book show”
Guy 2: “have you ever read a comic?”
Guy 1: “nope”
Guy 2: “perfect”
I've seen this sort of stuff often. It's not only true for comic books to movies but pulp magazine to movies. I would LOVE to see a Shadow movie that follows the first novel The Living Shadow. The focus on the book was not the Shadow but his new helper Harry Vincent. When I started watching the Baldwin Shadow movie and it started with the Shadow saving a chemist's life and then telling him that the Shadow now owns him I thought "finally, someone's going to make a REAL Shadow movie" but sadly everything else went downhill after that.
people who made the Halo t.v. show lol
Undeniably fascinating -- for sure! LOVE the coverage. Thanks for answering so many questions and shining a light on "failures" that ended up helping add up to epic comic-based film entertainment today.
The 2011 pilot was atrocious I mean I like Adrianne palicki as Sam’s girl friend Jessica in supernatural but as Wonder Woman she’s basically a female Homelander in which she’s more villainous than the villain of the show (except homelander is a villain the pilot expect us to buy her as a hero) in fact she makes homelander look like superman with how violent she is and this is coming from someone who’s only seen bits and pieces of the boys and has only seen Eric kripke’s other show supernatural
I've been told that the 2011 pilot would've been amazing if it ended with Diana ditching her red, white and blue costume, donning a black costume and began calling herself Superwoman, revealing that it actually took place on Earth-3 the whole time. You want to accept that headcanon?
The best part of Generation X is Jubilee dropping two f-bombs in a row. Out of all X-Men characters to be the first on screen mutant to drop a hard profanity, she was the one I would've never expected.
I will volunteer to give Adrianne Palicki a hug. But seriously, there was a TV pilot in 1954 for Mandrake the Magician, as well as a 1979 TV film that was to serve as a pilot. In 1968, there was an attempt to pitch a animated series of DC's Blackhawk, which only got to the drawing stage - in the early 1980s. Steven Spielberg was going to make a Blackhawk movie, but opted for Raiders Of The Lost Ark instead. The TV movies made after The Incredible Hulk ended were supposed to serve as pilots for two series, one for Thor, and the other for Daredevil.
Fun Fact: In Legends of the Superheroes, the actress who played Giganta, Aleshia Brevard, was a trans woman. She was recommended to a gender reassignment surgeon after being a drag queen at Finocchio's Club who did Marilyn Monroe shows. These were so popular Marilyn herself went to go see Aleshia perform.
Hot.
I love Ricardo Montalbán, such a cool surprise to see him pop up in this video
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23:40 except it does work for the JLA😭😭😭 Justice League International is that and it's their best comic
I always assumed that this Justice League adaptation was trying to capture the tone of the Giffen and DeMatteis run, where they were stuck with more obscure characters and focused heavily on the "behind the scenes" moments of the League
That Wonder Woman Pilot is the closest thing we have to an Arrowverse version of Diana. She remains unseen in the main Arrowverse
Same with the 2006 Aquaman pilot. Since Wonder Woman and Aquaman are pretty much the only main DC heroes that never got to appear in the Arrowverse, nothing says these *can't* be the Arrowverse versions of these characters
@@NIDELLANEUM I don't think Wonder Woman (Palacki) is the Arrowverse version, perhaps she exists in an alternate Earth that gets the axe during the crisis, but she's not the Earth-Prime Wonder Woman or at least not the version depicted in 2011 based on the Strackzjynski run where everyone wondered why he was writing that woman in the style of that weird "Titanifying Leaguers" trend that got started with Hal oddly. Before the movie, Wonder Woman was planned to have her own series called Amazon...and yes I'm sure it would have aired in Prime Time on Wednesdays (because Wonder Woman Wednesday is a thing.)
If anything based on the Arrowverse adaptations at the time using Nu52 runs, I would expect the Azzarello and Finch runs to be adapted with the following cast list Adrianne Palacki as Wonder Woman/Diana Prince, Erica Durrance as Donna Troy (because she got to provide the punchline to Dana Delaney's joke twice!), Ellie Fanning as Cassie Sandsmark, Lynda Carter as Hippolyta...and maybe borrow something from 90's comics about why she has that other jet, but only in flashbacks to WW2, Keke Palmer as Nubia (Nubia's attitude has Aisha, Fairy of Waves written all over it.), Molly C. Quinn as Artemis Grace (if Bloom can be Supergirl...she can certainly pull off Wonder-Jason Todd think "full dragon fury!" if Blook were Artemis.) and have C.C.H. Pounder return to the screen as Live Action Waller this time while also getting unknowns for Steve and Etta...after that for the major Villainy Inc. Members? Use actors previously planned for Wonder Woman if possible that went nowhere because failed pilots. Cheetah would be Megan Gale because of all that madness that JL: Mortal went through...it would give her all the reason in the world to be unreasonably jelly and become the Jokerized-Lex fusion as the former friend gone rogue of Wonder Woman and Silver Swan would be Jessica Beil...because Vanessa's attitudes aren't all that different from Mary Camden's defiant nature are they? (Beil was also considered for the Whedon movie that got axed, but she declined because...Mary Camden is no Wonder Woman..she's a lot more like Silver Swan.) and we'll just let these be the only regular comic villains for now since they have the most prolific grudges against Diana. For those Greek Monstrosities? Get other popular 90's WB actors that were not from 7th Heaven to do so. 7th Heaven actors would have fallen under different categories...given that David Gallagher was already playing as Zan/Downpour of the Wonder Twins on Smallville (and not really the role I'd have picked since early seasons showed Simon was explicitly a Flash fan...and they probably would have wanted to save the WB's only other show to last the rebranding besides Smallville's cast for other things. I also would have changed one plotpoint in the "Sons of Themyscira" arc to instead of them being teens, have them be actual kids to give them choosing to stay with Hephaestus over Diana on the island more weight...except one boy...one boy actually would want to try it, and when she learns his name is Bellerephon, she's glad her efforts aren't totally useless, but learns to understand.
Aquaman? Same idea...Hartley's earth exists somewhere before Crisis, but gets axed. The Earth-Prime version follows the Johns Nu52 run with a different cast.
The Captain America pilot feels like a failed attempt at trying to create an American version of Kamen Rider, which is also about a costumed hero riding a motorcycle... except Kamen Rider is much better.
I think the Captain America TV movies were more like Evel Knievel who was a popular motorcycle stunt rider in the 1970s
Wow what a wild collection of superhero tv pilots. It’s certainly a fascinating deep dive and it’s so cool that you got Omni-frame to join you on this project. I will have to check out his channel later when I have the time. Great job on this project. Definitely a wild ride and I hope you will cover more obscure superhero projects like this in the future. If I had to pick one of these pilots, I’d go for the 90s justice league one because it looks like they really had a good strong team of heroes and they even had a good format for the adventures. However every single one of these pilots is a fascinating story in its’ own way in my opinion.
Poor Palaki, she was in three failed Comic tv shows. Aquaman, Wonder Woman and Marvel's Most Wanted.
That edgy Wonder Woman show when he was describing it sounds more like Booster Gold then Wonder Woman
DAAAAAAAAAASSMMMMMMN!!! Thanks for showing this movie, now....to cross off from my movie bucket list!
I feel like the vibe of that one JL pilot that felt like friends with superpowers would have been better fit for a Great Lakes Avengers adaptation, which could be more fun and ambitious as well as action packed in my opinion.
I remember, when I originally saw the pilot way back when, that it was a Super Hero version of Friends. And I'm not a fan of Friends, one of the few. 🙂
TV budgets, especially back then, just couldn't really do big superhero action pieces. It's why the 50s Superman TV show mainly fought normal crooks and very few mad scientist types. It's a big limitation to doing a good superhero TV show. CGI helps now but it's expensive too.
Or the Inferior Five, DC's equivalent to the GL Avengers.
What bothers me about a lot of these “new takes” is that they don’t bother establishing the “old takes” on TV first.
In a similar fashion, it’s quite annoying how more often than not, super hero movies scripts focus more on deconstructing the hero than on telling a good lore-faithful story
The producers likely want to get new viewers not loyal readers so they simplify the story for the general public. Budget constraints might play a part also. Look at "The Incredible Hulk." Simply put, a guy gets irradiated. He gets angry or hurt and he turns into a large muscular green creature that wreaks havoc. The comic book readers get aliens and the US Army and Rick. The TV viewers get a "Fugitive" story.
@supremelordoftheuniverse5449 it's because:
1. well-established characters are already known to the public, so new interpretations must deal with the fact they have to cater to a certain understanding of the character but at the same time must do something totally new in order for the public to not get tired;
2. times change and as so the creators probably insert new worldviews and cultures into their interpretation of the character (which they try to make something original and meaningful in order to say something more than just "this guy in spandex hits bad guys or something");
3. since culture has been stagnant since at least the 90's, to achieve all that originality modern sensibilities require, a play on the form is the best way to achieve such thing (like Into the Spider-verse does: it engages with Spider-Man media by virtue ofplaying with it, redesigning its structure in order to
@supremelordoftheuniverse5449 it's because:
1. well-established characters are already known to the public, so new interpretations must deal with the fact they have to cater to a certain understanding of the character but at the same time must do something totally new in order for the public to not get tired;
2. times change and as so the creators probably insert new worldviews and cultures into their interpretation of the character (which they try to make something original and meaningful in order to say something more than just "this guy in spandex hits bad guys or something");
3. since culture has been stagnant since at least the 90's, to achieve all that originality modern sensibilities require, a play on the form is the best way to achieve such thing (like Into the Spider-verse does: it engages with Spider-Man media by virtue ofplaying with it, redesigning its structure in order to
@supremelordoftheuniverse5449 it's because:
1. well-established characters are already known to the public, so new interpretations must deal with the fact they have to cater to a certain understanding of the character but at the same time must do something totally new in order for the public to not get tired;
2. times change and as so the creators probably insert new worldviews and cultures into their interpretation of the character (which they try to make something original and meaningful in order to say something more than just "this guy in spandex hits bad guys or something");
3. since culture has been stagnant since at least the 90's, to achieve all that originality modern sensibilities require, a play on the form is the best way to achieve such thing (like Into the Spider-verse does: it engages with Spider-Man media by virtue ofplaying with it, redesigning its structure in order to
Can someone explain to me why the Justice League pilot had better Flash and Green Lantern costumes than any of the live-action films?
For Green lantern it’s because of the neck. For the flash….idk I think his suit is fine in the film even if the cgi is weird. At most the lack of a chin strap is a weird thing
Great work, this video was a total throwback and was a ton of fun to watch
Oh wow, Rick Bennett? He's my 2nd cousin, believe my mom's uncle's son. I had to rewind when mentioned the voice of The Juggernaught, who I new he voiced on that fox series. He died in 2019, worked as a teacher at the toronto film school til the day be passed away. I never met him,but my mom told be he did filming an was on a cartoon I watched. Bennett is my mom's maiden name. Neat to learn what else he worked on.
The 1997 JLA movie was during a time period when the JLA comics was EXACTLY like that. They had "character looks at the PoV and talks about events in the comic" interview panels, Martian Manhunters oreos addiction, Blue Beetle and Booster Gold getting an apartment together after they both lost their jobs, Fire trying to break into acting/modeling, etc.
“Friends with superpowers” I could see a Great Lakes Avengers show as a toned down It’s always sunny in Philadelphia. Edit: THATS GUY! I thought it was Kyle.
I think the reason they dropped the WWII origin for the Captain America show was that Hogan’s Heroes and Patton probably rented out all the props and costumes. Either that or it was prohibitively expensive to do so. The show looks like it was meant to market to 20 something’s at the time and I guess Steve’s original backstory would’ve made him less relatable.
It was probably cost and the Vietnam Era anti-military feelings in parts of the country, so they didn't want to backstory him being a soldier. To be honest, as much as I love Captain America, the WW2 backstory is getting, I don't know ... dated? With all the advancements in science in the last 70+ years, no one can still duplicate the experiment that made Captain America? Though I did like in the First Avenger movie, it was brought up that the process also enhances what's inside a person, not just giving them powers. Which is why Steve was chosen, because of his patriotism, his willingness to fight even when he wasn't fit for it, his ability to sacrifice himself for others, for being ... a hero at heart.
All other folks who got the serum lacked the inner strength to be Captain America.
@@DavidMcMahon-b3o It was almost certainly the Vietnam, anti-military stuff, although it wouldn't be long before that suffered a huge backlash. Even the original Six Million Dollar Man pilot turned the character into a civilian pilot and astronaut. Subsequent movies and the series reverted him to being an AIr Force officer as in the books.
@@carlrood4457 and that also probably was what caused Wonder Woman's show to decline after the Bicentennial so even if the WW2 angle had been kept....it would have been seen as a Wonder Woman clone...actually...wait...even this pilot still might be that too...dude's even called Steve....say is that Trevor's daydream?
Finally Xavier uploads again after all these years
Thank you so much for doing this!
Power Pack mentionned, this video is peak
It's a real shame that Power pack has never been adapted into a cartoon. I think it lends itself much better to animation than live-action. Then again, I feel like every superhero lends themselves better to animation than live-action.
I didn't laugh at the "failed pilot" quip, but I couldn't stop myself chuckling at how hard you cackled at your own joke. I honestly appreciated it.
Xavier posted after all these years!
I've watched all of these (except Power Pack). I appreciate your quick refreshers and good breakdowns/reviews.
So... Adam West and Frank Gorshin did SORT OF reprise their roles one more time (along with Catwoman's Julie Newmar) and Burt Ward of course) in Return to the Batcave: the Misadventures of Adam and Burt.
They aren't playing Batman and the Riddler in it but they're playing fictionalized versions of themselves who sort of step into the role of their fictional counterparts. Frank Gorshin steals the Batmobile and Adam and Burt need to track him down.
Another banger by GodzillaMendoza! On that note, I just watched the unreleased first pilot of Powerless, and I'm honestly shocked that they felt the need to change the script and remake the pilot but way worse. Show was picked up and cancelled after one 13 episode season. But that unreleased pilot basically would've made for a different (and I would argue, better) show.
Finally, Xavier uploads again after all these years! Seriously though, why am I not getting notifications, RUclips?!
Nice job. Thanx for posting 👍👏🫡
The JLA pilot is actually based on the JLA and JLI runs that were going on around the same time and had that more casual and down to earth tone rather than the big more cosmic adventures from other incarnations. That also explains the cast of characters since at that time the JLA was filled with B and C listers (aside from Flash and GL).
By the time the JLA pilot airred, the more classic JL adventures were returning though. Should have used that roster...sans Batman because Batman had movies to make so easy fix...just get Green Arrow as you do.
That would have been get Dean Cain to carry over as Supes, bring on Lucy Lawless as Diana (yes she was being considered that early), keep the clock as J'onn, see if they could pull a fast one by having Charlie Schlatter be Wally under the mask like he was on S:TAS, and do the same with Kyle's S:TAS actor for GL, but Conner's GA would need at the very least a bronze guy and Aquaman would be portrayed by some new guy.
The Captain America Pilot didn't start the trend of Superhumans having full teams to help them with their missions from behind the scenes. That was Jesus, and his 12 "Guy In The Chair"s. And if you're gonna try and convince me that the Green Arrow should be more independent than Jesus Christ..
That wonder woman 2011 pilot is a lot more like war woman from Invincible too lmao
A Wonder Woman show or movie came out in 2011? 3 years after Iron Man? Hey, and it featured a cameo from Dead☠️pool and Reed Richards 9:11
Admittedly I kinda like Wonder Woman 2011's premise. At least as an alternate take on the character separated from the comics. Wonder Woman being a businesswoman that capitalizes on her superhero antics through merchandise is pretty funny. Then again, I could be saying this because she hasn't had a tv series for literal decades, and I would accept anything at this point so she won't be the third forgotten wheel compared to Superman and Batman.
Wow, I am old and I have seen all this stuff...except Power Pack. I had no idea they made a Power Pack pilot. Thanks for teaching me something.
PANTS TO BE DARKENED
I understood that reference
@@autobotproductions1244 Oh thank God someone did, I thought I was going MAD! ;P
Took me a while to catch that Spider-Man music in the background. Great video. 👍
10:18 everything you said about her literally Refers to how Wonderful woman is in the Comics 97% of the time the last 30+ years and that’s Not good 😭
I was born in '66 and remember seeing the '74 "Wonder Woman", the '78 "Dr. Strange", and the '79 "Captain America" when they first aired. I had to look up "Captain America" because you said it was just the two television movies and I'd have swore there was a short-lived series after. But apparently my memory is crap. Great video, a walk down memory lane.
I wish they had retooled the Adrianne Palicki Wonder Woman show, she was a good choice for Dianna and I wish she could of been in the role more
If they had retooled it to follow the Greg Rucka, Phil Jiminez and Gail Simone runs instead of J. Michael Strackjzynski's Wonder Woman: Odyssey run (which he wrote having absolutely no clue about her and was just told "make a Greek Mythology mini"...and that was probably unwise...this is a story featuring Diana that works better for Donna and so does the suit.) it could have worked.
Facts
It's funny how
70s-90s is the "realism be damned era"
00s-10s is the "we're ashamed of our silly comic origin era"
10s-20s is the "let's tickle the nostalgia era"
You think you can cover these 3 animated features that involve Stan Lee?
They are Stan Lee Presents: The Condor, Stan Lee Presents: Mosaic, and Stan Lee’s Mighty Seven.
When watching these, I think they have a feel of a pilot to a potential animated series.
And while they’re not particularly groundbreaking, they each have their own charm that makes them entertaining.
it was in the very late 70's or very early 80's that ABC ( ch 7' ) in nyc had a TV comedy series pilot about a thor like thunder god ( nothing like Marvel's thor ) falling to earth and living at a frat house , and ever gives the late 70's hulk the credit for 1's introducing Matt Murdock's dare devil and also the mighty thor
I would love to see you talk about the Planet Of The Apes franchise. There's a surprising amount of connections to other filmmakers and even various show runners from the decades old franchise.
I'm 62 years old and started collecting comics in 1974 and stopped in 2003 when all the woke crap started, and stopped and sold them all in 2010. So glad you made this video, as when I tell folks about these pilots, and they look at me like I'm speaking Chinese. Thanks, adding this video to my Favorites.
6:04 I hate that I’d unironically love that.
Thank you for posting today. Today is my birthday and you’re my favorite content creator. I hope you have a great day.
Ah hell yeah another Mendoza video of the hilarious history of failed superhero projects. Also 2:50, what a weird question. I'm in my 20s and even I know that Zack and Kelly got married in a Vegas Saved By The Bell special. Whaddya mean "did they back together?" They had a kid in the failed "reboot." At least Slater and Jessie got together before that got cancelled. I'm having doubts that Omni Frame is a verified expert on older shit.
Cytonius here, old guy in the video. Yeah I'm well aware of the entire history of Saved by the Bell including all spin off shows and the initial series Good Morning Ms. Bliss. Me and Xavier were just joking around lol much respect
Another great Vid Mendoza, I kknda like the Creature effect on the mermaid in Aquaman. Also the tone of Justice League sounds amazing.
8:11 they wanted to turn Wonder woman into Batman
So just another Tuesday at the office for DC?
The “Justice League” and Roast of the superhero’s were just specials, they weren’t meant to move on. They were just a comedy.
I think JLI being a more low-key series can work. Some of that book had a tone that fit the co-worker vibe. While still being action-y enough. It should get a show at some point, be it in live action or animation. Though Guy's whole thing is that he's really abrasive and annoying, so that would have to be changed.
What's REALLY funny is I watched some of these failed pilots when I was a kid. What's strange is the number of superhero movies that I watched as a kid that I can't find ANY references to today. There was a couple of Captain America movies done way back then with Ronny Cox as Bucky. There were a handful of Spider-man movies and a couple of Wonder Woman movies that I can't find any references to. One of the old Wonder Woman movies, pre-Linda Carter, had Diana Prince as more of a super-strong and super-agile detective. She used her brains more than anything else. But she was stronger and more agile than any normal person. I remember the Nick Fury movie with freaking David Hasselhoff from the 90's. lol
Ah. More content for me to watch while I continue to wait for Deadpool and Wolverine.
Awesome vid! That 60's Superboy show!! WOW! That's an insane find. Even didn't know that one! Thanks man! 🙌👍👏👏
It used to be on youtube.but is now available on the Smallville Complete Series DVDs & Blu Rays.
Len Birman, who played Dr. Simon Mills in Captain America (1979) and Captain America II: Death Too Soon (1979) also voiced Henry Pym (Ant-Man / Giant-Man) and Hercules on The Marvel Super-Heroes (1966).
Captain America II: Death Too Soon (1979) originally aired on CBS in two parts as two one hour episodes airing on November 23, 1979 and November 24, 1979.
The first Captain America pilot aired on January 19, 1979.
Remember when Hawkeye retconed Mockingbird.
I remember being grounded around that time for not learning and memorizing the multiplication table around that time that the Legends of the Superheros aired. I never did see those shows and forgot them entirely. Thank heavens I did miss watching them entirely.
That second wonderman pitch has a costume that makes it look like porn
35:15 My money says the helmet and shield were 100% about selling toys that look the same way. It was nigh impossible at the time to make toys and costumes that looked more like the comic, but they probably already had molds that look like a toy motorcycle helmet, and I remember toys from that time that were made from plastic that looked just like that shield.
TBF wonder woman doesn't care about killing. (in most comics)
One of my earliest memories as a child was watching the Green Lantern turning his ring on himself to teleport somewhere. It seemed goofy and disturbing at the same time; as if he were disintegrating himself with his own ring.
0:00 El Flash colorado
omg that Captain America shield flexing from the dogs jumping at him is hilarious
The pilot for the Electra woman and dyna girl that came out in the early 90s was really great. They had a show the 70s that was moderately successful, and there was a pilot for a continuation series featuring Electra woman as a depressed drunk and a grown up dyna girl trying to get her to put on her tights and get herself together. It was actually pretty well handled and raw and I didn’t even watch the original, and I wish I could have seen the sequel take off
Really good idea for a video man
Fun Fact: Rod Haase, the guy who played The Flash in Legends Of The Superheroes (1979), also played the movie version of Captain Avenger, the character that John Ritter would become in Hero At Large (1980).
I grew up in the 60's and 70's and was a avid comic book reader. The only live action super hero show I watch was Shazam Isis, and the 6 million dollar man. So when I got in my 40's and 50's it was great to see super heroes on the screen. Most of the stuff like Hulk, Spiderman, Superman I was in college