The Cast That Were *TRICKED* Into Making a Fantastic Four Movie
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- Опубликовано: 23 фев 2024
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HEY, if you want to help get this film released to honor the hard work of the cast and crew who made it, sign the official petition I helped them put together to ask Marvel to finally give it an official release!
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Okay, I just signed the petition.
Signed. I really hope they release this officially!
On it professor X
This is awesome. Thank you so much for making this wonderful exposé on the first Fantastic Four! Your views are spot on and are deeply appreciated. On the 30th anniversary the truth must be told and the film released. Here’s to the future my friend. Yours, Doctor Doom 🔥
I'm so honored that you enjoyed it! You're the best portrayal of Victor Von Doom we've ever had in live action and I'm a huge fan of your performance! May the film someday get it's proper due! And hey, maybe one of these days we could redub it ourselves with a clearer take of your lines just to see how it would sound. My email is in my channel bio if you're interested in that one...
Thanks so much for the kind words!
Oh this is too cool!
Mendoza that is fucking awesome
All hail the one in true Doctor Doom.
MF DOOM all caps
I just posted your review on Facebook. Thank you! You understand what we were trying to do as a cast and crew. We put our hearts and souls into the film, so thank you for your appreciation and kind words. Thank you!
That's such an honor! Thank you so much! I loved your performance and I think you made an amazing Ben Grimm!
Thank you!@@GodzillaMendoza I posted your video on my Facebook page, and it's getting a lot of great responses. Thank you again!
Thank you for all your hard work and dedication to this underappreciated love story. It is loved and cherished by us fans ❤️
@@michaelbaileysmith2321it’s a shame because I think your thing would have been a great action figure.
Undoubtedly the best fantastic four adaption there is, and most likely will be. Good job dude!
Holy shit, Ben’s transformation being delayed and he's worried about his pals is actually genius writing. Makes his sudden change just a bit more sad and shocking.
Guess you could say he was trying to be the rock for the group...
It's actually very endearing how despite how cheap this movie looks it's probably the only tonally and aesthetically faithful Fantastic Four film we've ever gotten (hopefully next year changes that). Even Doom here isn't completely butchered beyond belief and I actually love the costume and makeup design here. The suits are pure John Byrne and the Thing doesn't look or sound half bad
It's the only accurate and faithful version of Doctor Doom we've ever seen in a movie.
@@drakkenmenschthis depressed the shit outta me lmao
@@drakkenmenschin other media tho. That honor goes to Earth’s mightiest heroes doctor doom
It is an endearing effort, unlike the soulless superhero adaptions made in modern day that actually get released to the public
As strange as it is, I actually kind of like this film. It has all of the charm that a B-movie provides, but just with well-known, licensed characters. I think there is a novelty to it that I haven’t seen in any other film of it’s kind. Not to mention, it really embraces the cheesy fun tone of the comics, that you really don’t find in most superhero movies today.
The only movie of all time to even ATTEMPT Doctor Doom without trying to completely reinvent him
I was just thinking how cool it would be to get another gutter space and hear Xavier discuss all the stuff going on with warner brothers, and then he casually dropped a 30 minute video about one of the most infamous comic book movies ever produced. What an actual legend this guy is
gutter space shall return one day, but this is also pretty fantastic
There will come a time, when news is too much. When topics to talk about will run out, and Spider-Man media will cease to exist. In the meantime, WB will still be alive and kicking, cancelling their 18th project straight, a new streak. In that moment, space and time will not matter anymore, because news will come out sooner than man can possibly decipher it. And when that happens, the only refuge from it will be... THE GUTTER SPACE!
putting the Human Touch race music from Ultimate Spider-Man under the discussion of his final flight scene was genius.
"Darkhawk is faster than you!"
@@somerandolad did he actually say that to danny phantom? that's great lol
"Footage Unrelated" yet describes how Madame Web went.
“That’s The Joke”
-McBain
That…. That’s the joke
You cannot help and feel bad for this cast and what they been through. Some part of me hopes that they will make a cameo appearance in Secret Wars.
They deserve a cameo either in Secret Wars or the MCU Fantastic Four movie.
Alex-Hynes White should be the leader of The Council of Reeds
Even if they did nobody is going to know who they are, besides die hard marvel fans
ALL of me hopes this. In fact, I might actually watch Secret Wars if that were going to be the case....
Y’know that last statement you made about a small cast and crew coming together to make something they believed in and felt earnestly about reminded me of what the Fantastic Four themselves stand for. There’s something beautiful about that.
reminds me of IHE closing sentiments about the movie "who killed captain alex" which similarly was low budget but everybody was super down to make
@@RisingJay Yeah. Art is about loving what you make, not budget
Somewhere out there there’s a universe where this movie was not only officially released but got completed to its best quality, and in that universe we have an all-timer classic.
I wouldn't mind visiting that universe.
@@somerandolad all of us
1994
2005
2015
2025
Dang, if only it was released and a year later we could’ve had a reboot every 10 years
They were off by one year
I still stand by Roger Corman’s quote regarding million dollar movie budgets, where he says that a director should be capable of achieving their vision without having to spend over a million dollars and that there are better things we could be doing in society with that kind of money.
seems fair
Movie budgets dont cost billions...lol
@@lanalan4157they don’t cost billions, but they do cost too much at times. Most “blockbuster” movies can nearly break even now. Though saying billions is a big exaggeration, movie makers really need to learn when the product is spending too much for to little in return.
@@lanalan4157 Yet.
True but most ppl would rather escape life then fix it
The poor cast...
If only things had changed by 2024. Movies and shows are still being shelved, cancelled or removed from streaming for contract loophole or tax write-off reasons...
Which there should be a federal law aganist doung .Hopefully WB undergoes that Federal Investigation Texas Congressman Joaquin Castro is calling for sooner rather than later.
@@jturner2577 A Texas lawmaker is our only hope. What a world.
@@kidanarchy2105Texas, save us all
Hopes are low for Coyote vs Acme
That's the real horror: it's actually getting WORSE: movies swallow up MILLIONS, build up audience anticipation for years, and then get $#!+canned.
If the actor for Doom doesn't like the way he sounds and wanted to redub it, maybe some dedicated fans can get him to rerecord the lines and edit them into the movies?
A little work to smooth over a few VFX and this would be a nearly perfect film.
I'm actually impressed nobody tried to get a full remaster done that way. I'm sure it wouldn't cost that much so that money could be raised on indiegogo or some other place to pay the actor and some of the vfx/sfx workers.
Great video! The way Eichinger lied to the cast and crew was so infuriating, but I'm glad in years since they've been able to showcase and celebrate the work they did.
Also thanks for the shoutout ♥
That Stan Lee impression was spot on!
it’s such a shame that even as early as the 90s not only comic book movies but multitudes of films can be seen as tax write offs or legal loopholes in the eyes of big corporations. There are thousands people sacrificing sleep, family time, and personal engagements to contribute something to this beautiful art form and they just get treated so inhumane and like children. It’s so horrible that it continues to this very day
Hopefully a federal investigation into WBD is the catalyst to end this corrupt practice for good. It should officially be called Fraud.
14:24 That fire effect is genuinely Amazing
Effects artists used to draw effects over the frame, you see it a lot in classic Tokusatsu and I really wish we'd get more of it today lol
I'm gonna be honest and say that effect looks better then 90% of modern effects.
Because of its low budget, this movie is technically a tokusatsu movie
These are always so funny to me
Starro is technically a Kaiju
The Fantastic Four is technically a tokusatsu
Sins Past is technically NTR
The Human Torch getting hit by the energy beam is rotoscoped from the first Fleischer Superman cartoon.
I bought one of those autographs for my little brother. Thanks for that mr Mendoza
Thank you! It really helps me out!
8:48 I’m glad someone finally spoke up about this
9:34 That has the same vibe as RedLetterMedia’s “it’s cool to SAY you’re a nerd but it’s still not cool to BE a nerd.”
2 things
Thing 1: the story behind the cast and crew working hard to get this movie in theaters is the MOST fantastic four thing. A bunch of dudes stealing equipment in order to shoot for the stars and make their dreams come true. Yeah I need to watch this movie because it sounds like a great love letter to the FF
Thing 2: The clips of CGI Johnny seemed to remind me of the first Fleischer Superman short. Idk someone can look at the footage side-by-side and see that they must have used that cartoon as reference material.
Unironically (and tragically) the BEST fantastic 4 movie. Look its not great, there are a lot of flaws no doubt. But it really captures the goof and cheese of jack and stans stuff. Its genuinely fun and wholesome
Sony: We have the most pathetic attempts at keeping our movie rights with movies like Morbius and Madame Web.
Fox: Bet.
I don't know whether this films merits speak to its actual quality, or to the lack thereof from the other films. But it's still baffling to me this is the best and most faithful FF movie, after 30 years and 4 attempts. It's actually insane, given this movie was never even meant to be released in the first place. It's like a cruel joke or something.
Although the best Ben Grimm is still Michael Chitklis.
The sheer passion from the crew is nothing short of extraordinary (Fantastic, even)! Having the actors doing their research and getting into the franchise they're adapting is one thing, but them having the unrelenting enthusiasm and belief in the value of the source material that were needed to forcefully finish the movie with money out of their own pockets when the producer bailed out is something on a whole other scale. This movie should be remembered as a legendary display of human perseverence, not as the laughingstock that it ended up as due to its deliberately sabotaged production.
God I never knew all this behind the scene issues that this movie had I feel really bad for the cast and crew that were lied to
And of course avi arad was involved somehow screw that guy
Honestly, this needs more views and attention. Not only for the true passion but the tragedy of it being a trick to the vast and crew.
Holy shit, you gor the opportunity to chat with the whole cast of Spider-Man 2, that's awesome
It's a live stream on March 1!!!
After seeing this film in 1996, I pushed it so hard on my fan site. I really don't think the master copy exists anymore, but I really enjoyed the film.
It's still funny to see my art on half of the bootlegs. It's shown here at the 32 minute mark.
HEARING ITSJUSTSOMERANDOMGUY voicing Stan Lee was perfect
Where is that guy 😢?
@@JDMaverick6714Probably enjoying life
23:02 Holy crap, one of my favorite childhood RUclipsrs,ItsJustSomeRandomGuy. Hope he’s doing okay 🙏
I’m sure he is. He’s probably got a busy private life.
@@comixproviderftw_02 Yeah. Given today’s world, I don’t blame him 🤷🏻♂️
The chills I got from ItsJustSomeRandomGuy as Stan.....
Wow I'm so glad you made this video. I had no idea the actors were lied to. I can't imagine that kind of betrayal.
It's crazy how the team that started the Marvel Universe as we know it today doesn't usually do well in adaptations. Sometimes they are just a critical failure, sometimes they are just a money faliure, and sometimes it's both. Let's see what the world brings to Marvel's first family.
I have given up any expectations of any future marvel movie to be good
The thing that makes this the most True To Source material Fantastic Four movie is the fact that Ben transforms back and forth for unknown reasons
Roger Corman is batshit bananas, and yet he has such an integral part to Hollywood the whole concept of Blockbusters might not have existed without him.
This is my FAVORITE movie ever. Watched it everyday for the longest time. The documentary was also NUTS. I am so glad you covered this. I feel seen lmao
I haven't seen the movie and I'm not a fan of the Fantastic Four but hearing all that effort the cast and crew went through, hurt
For me, the absolute minimum a superhero costume needs is two colors, and a symbol.
Superman: red, blue, letter S
Fantastic four: white, blue, number 4
And so on…
Ask if if they think there is a already established daredevil in the insomniac universe and if they think we willl see a DD game from insomniac one day
This is a wendys
@@RosePinkInkBut Xavier said to leave comments to ask in Thursday's stream with the Insomniac cast?
@kidanarchy2105 Which is actually pretty weird since it diverts conversation about the video's content. It probably would've made more sense to have people do that on Twitter or something.
Thank goodness for a dubbing company employee who kept there print.
Knowing that this movie is so sincere and loving to the source but it was shot behind the shed is so sad. I’ll definitely watch this, and remember the hard work that was put in it.
Rest in peace Roger Corman.
During the interview, maybe ask about the suit decision. You know what I’m talking about
I remember when Owen Likes Comics referenced the existence of this video , I was very confused
Im so glad you're cool and reasonable, seeing the care and attention they tried to put into the film so I appreciate that so much.
I think the fantastic four should always wear these slightly baggy jumpsuits with textures over random ass lines.
They aren’t superheroes trying to look cool or intimidating, they’re scientists and adventurers first and super heroes second
Bro started spitting Bars at 14:40
These people hustled for this movie to be seen like some true heroes.
How fitting, heroes playing heroes on screen.
This was a very fascinating story of a movie that almost became lost media.
RORSCHACH AND DEADPOOL!!
Justsomerandomguy introduced me to so many comic characters and defined their personality to me as a kid. I still come back to his videos time to time. Love that guy!
I just read a subreddit thread reminding me that one of the reasons why DC and Fantastic Four kept falling wasn't just executive meddling but because they didn't have their own independent studio yet like Marvel did. And now they do and I'm excited for this movie and the DCU.
They failed because they didn't have their own studio? What the hell does that even mean?? Just because marvel actually stopped pimping out their top characters doesn't mean they became successful because it said marvel on the door. Disney are the overlords of media now and the reason they run marvel in a hands off fashion and let Kevin feige steer the ship means they listened to what he said. Look, now it's turning into dud after money losing dud because they put marvel on the door.
@@gamedad7336it’s losing money because the people they hire to make the movies act like they’re “above” the source material
WB Studios has been behind the DC films since Batman 1989, Marvel was the one without a studio until they were bought by Disney
@@gamedad7336Look for five seconds at the account you're replying to, it's clearly an AI unfortunately. :/
If the 1994 F4 actually did get released years ago, I would see it either getting a review score of 3 or 3.5 stars. And a rating of 7 out of 10.
This feels such a sad story. Showing effort and love beats throwing money and thinking "oh this will make a profit"
dear lord, i should give this film a chance
it's so. optimistic, from what you've shown
Warms my heart how passionate the cast and crew were about this movie, and breaks it how the producers treated them
My favorite sequence is the one where a scientist tries to take blood from each team member in succession, his anxiety increasing with each failed attempt.
I saw this video yesterday. Today I wake up and learn that Roger Corman has died. RIP
That ItsJustSomeRandomGuy cameo genuinely made my day. My older brother and I would watch his content religiously back in like 2009. Happy Hour was the most insane shit 7 year old me had ever seen.
I’ll admit I hadn’t really heard of the story behind the movie, and saw the title assuming about how it’d be a bunch of actors roped into a movie they didn’t want to make, but hearing it now as a story of passionate performers putting their all into a performance they believed would at least have been seen, only for it to be thrown away. It just feels bad man
Finally. Xavier finally uploads another video after so many years.
The fact that the higher ups just left the crew hanging pisses me off.
“Oh hey make this movie”
“Oh hey it’s been a while but guess what this movie was never supposed to come out. Happy to waste your time”
I stumbled across it on RUclips, listened to it as I worked at me computer all day, and had to watch it when I got home. I'm glad I did. Great job guy.
Watched a documentary on this, pretty sad for all of the actors to put in their all. Only for them to realize it was for nothing. They had to ignore some blatant red flags, because they were so optimistic in it.
Joseph Culp was perfect casting. The guy just LOOKS and carries himself like Victor Von Doom.
Hearing ItsJustSomeRandomGuy sent me straight back to 2007
You're helping me see this film in a brand new light, so thank you. I appreciate it, man. This video, for lack of a better word, is fantastic. It is a shame damn that the people involved were duped and kept in the dark.
I'm surprised how emotional the video made me, you really captured the beauty in the passion the cast and crew had for this doomed film.
Hey GM, thank you for capturing the emotions of all concerned in the making of the original F4 and promoting the idea of releasing this version with updated CGI, sound effects and looping for DOOM. Well done!
Question for Tony Todd:
What is it like playing such a menacing villain. He’s done it for Zoom on the Flash and now Venom. What was the difference?
A good reminder that the movies we watch aren’t a product of the studio heads but by the creatives and hard workers on set who put everything together.
babe wake up new godzillamendoza and its about the roger corman fantastic four
Question for the stream.
"When Venom turned Mary Jane, did anyone else think of what I thought? (She was going down behind a table)"
Ive been subscribed for a minute but usually end up forgetting to watch your videos and forgetting what kind of content you made. Watching this made me remember and realize I have a lot to catch up on.
Always a good day when Godzilla uploads
Cool to see my footage being in a review, loved the video btw 😎
I was following this movie big time back in the 90's. I was so let down that it was not released. When I got online I was finally able to buy a bootleg copy. And I LOVED it. The movie had so much heart and soul. It was way better than any of the modern FF movies.
As a kid of the 70s who every week planted myself in front of the TV to see Isis, Captain Marvel, Electra Woman and Dyna Girl and others (with George Reeves' Superman reruns holding our attention thanks fo reruns), I think we'd been blown away by this. So, yeah this should've had better production values as a 90s movie than 70s TV, but in the right frame of mind I think it'd be a fun watch. Especially now knowing how much heart the cast and crew put it and how faithful and appreciative they were to the source material (a rare thing in any decade).
The kinda fucked up thing about the age difference between Sue and Reed in the movie is that in the original script, she was a fellow student of Reed's. Honestly don't know why they decided to age her back down. I know it's a nod to the Byrne run, but... yeah, could've just not done that.
I was the screenwriter (Craig Nevius). I don't know how you read my First Draft but thank you for recognizing the difference between it and the movie that was eventually shot (re: the age difference between Sue and Reed). It always felt weird to have Sue be that young. That was one of the few times that I felt it was best NOT to be faithful to the original comic book story. But I was not a producer so it was not up to me! Still, the director and cast did a "fantastic" job and I was pleased that the true blue nature of Marvel's first family made it from the comic book to Stan Lee's treatment to my script to the (bootlegged) screen. The unapologetic earnestness with which we made the movie is probably why it took on a life of its own (in spite of the budget and lack of special effects) and why it is now appreciated with thirty years of hindsight! Thanks again for your careful reading (and diligence finding the first draft).😎
I just want to say, you are my favorite RUclipsr. I don’t watch much RUclips or even watch much marvel or comics, but your videos are so entertaining and informative with your own twist. Don’t ever stop making videos ! Please and thankyou
Thank you. I needed to hear this today. I promise to keep making videos until I can't anymore. I love it, even when it's really difficult
Wow this is crazy man !! Great video bro
they should make a shot-by-shot remake of this movie with the appropriate budget
I remember way back when reading the first fantastic four and for me this film captures the essence of that.
Avi Arad: I thought you were dead.
FF94: my death was greatly exaggerated.
I have new found respect for the people who worked on this movie. I hope it gets an official release some day. Everyone deserves it for the effort they have put in.
How is it that, to this very day, THIS movie has the best live-action Dr. Doom we've ever had?
The theme song of the film is actually pretty nice too, especially the light motif piano version of it for the more tender scenes. Has some John Williams’ Superman in its DNA, though, obviously, on a budget.
(Side Note: I would’ve loved to have seen this movie’s version of The Thing meet Bill Bixby/Lou Ferrigno’s Hulk. I did a quick edit of the two together, and they look pretty good side-by-side.)
This is absolutely amazing keep up the great work can’t wait to see more 🔥!
Between Warner Bros cancelling films they consider cheap enough to ride off. And Marvel releasing projects they can’t afford to cancel because every single one of them costs over $200,000,000. There needs to be a healthy in between, but I don’t know what it is? If it’s too cheap, it’s now proven that conglomerates can & will cancel movies that were staged away from being g complete. But if it’s too expensive, it can’t be changed at all because the project already starts out with the same budget an expensive indie film gets when it’s been constantly delayed. I’m kind of glad the superhero genre had a dry spell during 2023 because I hope it shows studios now that you don’t always need to pump in millions of dollars into every project just because it’s mainstream & associated with one of the biggest franchises of all time.
I like how The Human Torch Laser scene borrows from the 40's animated Superman shorts.
I just purchased my autograph! Super excited for the live stream! Huge fan!
This gotta be one of the most tragic developments I think I've ever learned about
been listening to some of my favorite film's commentary tracks for the first time recently, and like in this video it's really striking to learn just how much goes into making a movie & how much the crew cares for a lotta this stuff! it's not right that some bigwig can just choose to not let stuff see the light of day when it's all wrapped up...
19:10 everytime I rewatch this scene, my cynical heart always melts
It's insane when the supposed to be lost fantastic 4 movie is the best
Now this is a legit good story from Hollywood. Hope the crew gets their due one day
Sign the petition so we can make more noise to Marvel about getting a release!