Ghost Rider - The Failed Franchise
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The first Ghost Rider was the Venom of it's time.
Prototype venom
You didn’t like venom?
its*. here's a tip, if you mean to write an abbreviated version of it is then use "it's". if not, use the other one, which is possessive.
Venom is way more entertaining, but yeah, both films are daft
@@Ali23111 Nice to see your keeping your virginity intact bud
Johnny Blaze and Carter Slade running together in the desert is still one of the coolest moments in any superhero movie.
Facts
It's a shame the rest of it was so meh it almost snuffed out their hellflames.
God I love those names
Riding together with Ghost Riders in the Sky by Johnny Cash playing in the background. Fucking epic scene
Na
The fact that Nicolas Cage was in this, yet said he doesn't need to be in the MCU in recognition just proves his power.
He IS Nick Cage
Though he does wanna play The Spectre in the DCU….
bruh iam an MCU fan and i must agree. Nic Cage doesnt need to be in MCU to prove his power. He is THE Nic Cage
@@johans3164That being said after seeing Mandy I definitely want him back
@@colealbinder2025Weirdly enough I see him as a fantastic Phantom stranger.
“No one is better at this kind of performance than Nicolas Cage. He's a fearless actor. He doesn't care if you think he goes over the top. If a film calls for it, he will crawl to the top hand over hand with bleeding fingernails."
Alright but like, that shot of Johnny Blaze Ghost Rider riding next to the cowboy Ghost Rider is probably the hardest image in any movie ever.
REAL
I loved the first Ghost Rider movie as a kid because the way he transforms for the first time. He was bursting into flames and screaming in horrific pain. It’s a guilty pleasure
Ditto
I think Ghost Rider is in a similar position to Green Lantern as far as film adaptations go: Both characters started out small, but over the years so much lore and mythology was added that to cover all of that in 2 hours while trying to tell a coherent story seems impossible.
Green Lantern also never had an epic moment that made you understand why Hal Jordan was chosen by the ring. In the animated movie, Green Lantern: First Flight Sinestro is bringing down OA and Lantern rings are dropping. But Hal Jordan never gives up. He embodies will power and basically takes in a bunch of the Green Lantern energy to take on Sinestro and his ring of fear. Something like that was missing. Although, I would've done it a little differently if I was making the movie. Already thought up my own version.
Nah not really you don’t need to cover decades of comics in one movie just like every other comic adaptation just do an amalgamation of a few good books
Okay but here me out. An anthology film that changes the art style every story. Batman had one, Dead Space had one, Dante's Inferno had one but it made less sense, Samurai Jack had like 2 episodes like that, the Animatrix. The art style change can serve 2 purposes, you give up and coming studios a chance to flex, and you also could demonstrate how different villains who encountered him, see him. You dont need condense assuming 40-50 years of story into one comic you just have to pick like 3-4 short arcs.
Or
And this is just spitballing you basically make a slasher movie but the victims are people you want to see burn in hell fire or become empty husks. The stars in those films are already the monsters. It might be kinda cool to see a film like that were the monster wins.
I disagree. You can easily make a 2hr ghost ride movie with Danny Ketch or Johnny Blaze. Just need a good script and a clear villain. Their origins are not complicated
Green Lantern with a slight tweak can easily be done if you focus on just Hal, John or Kyle for the first movie then expand to more space related adventures and larger GL cast with sequels.
@@WinningProduction420 that's what I would've done. Make it a much more personal And intimate story so that you get people to care about the Green Lantern. Then you can go bigger in the sequels. Can have a layout like one of those Batman the Brave and the Bold episodes where it's 2 adventures in one. Have him already in the middle of an adventure, he's able to deal with it and then the real adventure begins. Good way to build up the universe.
The first Ghost Rider has a special place in my heart regardless of its flaws. It at least feels like the writers understand how the characters work and I think its overall enjoyable as a pure dumb fun movie. The second one was a fever dream though lol. I literally felt I was drunk throughout that entire film.
You cant deny he was extremely badass in the second movie
@@cla_6 he was, but it was always a disappointing movie, there’s cool scenes in it tho
@@cla_6 I can watch all actions scenes on youtube. The film itself was trash
Exactly man
@@timeyinsholaye9169true
Being a kid in the mid to late 2000's was awesome. There was so many cool action figures. I had the entire fantastic four, x men, spiderman, ghost rider, and the 2003 TMNT show action figures with the truck. I was spoiled
Same, those were fun times, I pretty much got everything I wanted, especially whenever I got a good progress report and got the newest games.
There's still cool toys, they just twice as expensive and ten times harder to find.
Not to mention the return of Transformers, thanks to the Unicron Trilogy and Bay films.
I agree. One of the only drawbacks was a good chunk of toys I liked were basically statues lol. *ahem neca and mcfarlane*
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Tell me about it. I got a haul of Spawn "figures" for Christmas one year.. wrapped in Spider-Man paper. I tried to hide my disappointment, but I don't know that I did a very good job.
Fun fact: the motorcycle in the first movie was actually a bike from Peter Fonda's (the guy who played Mephisto) personal collection, which is also why the bike was different in the second movie (they couldn't get Peter Fonda to come back and he wouldn't let them borrow the bike for the movie)
Spirit of Vengeance is not only the second time I've seen Nicolas Cage play Ghost Rider, it's also the second time I've seen Nicolas Cage in a movie directed by Brian Taylor.
In the 2nd GR film where Cage is interrogating a bad guy whilst turning into Ghost Rider, the actor playing the bad guy is trying not to laugh! XD
Gotta admit, as a kid, those posters petrayed a completely higher level of awesomeness compared to the film itself.
I completely disagree personally 💅
My brother and I actually read the original script before this movie came out. It was weird, but weird in the best way possible. Scarecrow (MARVEL version) was the original primary antagonist, and Ghost Rider was way more difficult to control. There was even a point where Johnny Blaze and the Rider had to take control of the body in an almost split way wherein the human form could still be seen under all the flames. Scarecrow was a horror giant through and through by the end, even putting his eye into a door to peer through a church. That script stuck so hard with me and my brother that we thought this film would do that justice. And we thought wrong. Most of the coolest parts were cut. And we got Spirit of Vengeance.
I do hope that if the MCU actually does Mephisto, they'll really commit to his ties with certain characters (Doom and ofc Ghost Rider)
But not Spider-Man
@@audreyiissnack54 Anybody but Spider-Man hopefully
One thing I just picked up from the first film is when nick cage johnny does his first jump, he thinks about signing the contract and that makes him more careless about making the jump causing him to crash. But his second jump, he thinks about Roxy and how he has a second chance to fix what happened with them 2,which then drives him to make the jump. Lots of heart in ghost rider 1, gotta love it
That's what is missing from current superhero movies. Heart.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp exactly, even a shitty movie like fantastic 4 rise of the silver surfer is way more entertaining/fun because of the heart than anything being put out by marvel today
I never realized that he wanted to die, thats why he was so careless. I thought he was careless just because
5 days from now they’re going to announce Ghost Riders return just like Punisher 😂
That's what I also want even though I never watched those movies! Here's who I want to see as variants of the multiverse tho I haven't seen any of them either: Johnny Blaze, Wesley Snipes's Blade, Mattfleck Daredevil, the previous three actors who played The Punisher, The Hoff's Nick Fury, the "Avengers" members of The Incredible Hulk movies who I've seen a video with interviews from the actors. In the comics, the original comics version of The Falcon can control birds. As for stuff I have seen, characters from The Gifted (including recasting Andy because of the crap Percy Hynes White did) or better, just Blink both from that show AND her Days of Future Past variant, Venom, the previous Fantastic Four movies just cuz I want to see their reaction to the Human Torch variants who look like Steve and N'djaka!
There are so many of them that cameoing in just Secret Wars doesn't feel like enough. I almost don't want them to destroy the multiverse unless they recover their universes. The Arrowverse's Crisis on Infinite Earths ended by recovering only a few Earths and bringing the main shows, two of which took place in their own Earths, into one universe. Which is what I imagine the MCU will do with the X-Men franchise. But I'd love it if they also did it with the Ghost Rider movies. Or, from what I've seen in this video, there's no human actor playing MCU Johnny Blaze. They could just retcon the movies into being in the MCU the whole time since neither of them affect the timeline!
Hopefully a third Ghost Rider will come out. Not an MCU movie but an a good ending to Nicolas Cage trilogy.
@@AJ-xc4qe with Secret Wars I think we might see a handful of them
Liar
If ghost rider came out today everybody would quote “scraping at the door”
Fun fact: ghost rider's dad is played by the same guy who played Thomas Wayne in Joker.
@@TheStormbringer8751 really, he played him too? Well, he also played Thomas Wayne.
@@TheStormbringer8751That was Chris Cooper
I have a small theory that perfectly explains why the two movies feel soo different from each other but still share the same continuity.
That is while Johnny was first using the rider powers for Mephisto purposes Mephisto was able use his powers to constantly satisfy the Rider’s hunger for souls keep the Spirit of Vengeance under control for Blaze so he could properly fulfill his contract for Mephisto without getting influenced by the Spirit of Vengeance..
Once Blaze fulfilled his contract & decided to keep his powers Mephisto wasn’t keeping his hunger under control anymore leaving Blaze with the problem of trying not to uncontrollably eat the innocent souls all around him which eventually resulted in Blaze having to go into isolation to protect everyone else from his curse.. 😏
Spirit of Vengeance. The only thing I truly like about the movie were the special effects and how they made Ghost Rider a real uncontrollable spirit. How he moved was amazing and scary. Also loved how they showed off his powers as well. Overall the credit goes to Nick cause he did the mocap for the Rider and honestly it was very well done. Side note, I was a fan of just a completely black skull as it reminds me of one of the stories of ghost rider and his art was like a black skull on fire🔥
Kinda funny that the 1st Ghost Rider movie plus Ultimate Alliance 1 was the main reason I loved Ghost Rider and became my 2nd Favorite Marvel Character
Even if the second one is...well...what it is, I just love how they represented the Rider as, you know, an actual evil spirit possessing someone, it's very fitting the tone of the movie where one of Johnny's goal is to get exorcised from the Rider's spirit
The OG Ghost Rider movie was pretty to watch all things considered.
I enjoy both of these ironically, the first one mostly but that second one does have cage at his most insane with the “scraping at the door” scene.
In that scene, the other actor is struggling to keep a straight face
@@pushon10 seriously. Man was hanging on for dear life.
Glad you finally covered old flame head!! The movies have never lived up to the potential here!
this movie is certified 💀 moment
The only Marvel movies that had Mephisto before MCU Stans went insane with Fan Theories for WandaVision.
Can't blame people when the show deliberately baited them though. Also the fact Mephisto was important to that storyline
hey its the video i edited!!!
The whole SoV taking place like 4 movies after the first is so accurate, especially when muzzy is referring to how the Rider acts towards his victims (e.i toying with them in the first but being more of a monster in SoV), so based off that I'd like to think maybe something happened between GR and SoV with the rider where johnny lost control and can no longer trust the rider so he becomes the bruce banneresque recluse we see in the beginning of SoV
And that's a setup for an interquel.
Ghost rider 2007 was HELL FUN!! 🔥💀🔥
I always think that the first film came out in 05, it just feels like it did, but when I think about it slightly I realize it's 07
For all their flaws, the Ghost Rider movies are still some of my favorites of the superhero/comic book genre.
Literally my favorite god damn movie since childhood (the first one)
No better way to celebrate the release Renfield, than with Nicholas Cage Crazy as hell Ghost rider duology (which I have a massive soft spot for).
The ghost rider movies got me into darker movies in general especially the first one what a great time
I always unironically liked the first one, and having recently watched the second one, I had to like it because of romanian pride
Ghost rider would be fun as hell if he had his own open world game !
All it got was a shitty ps2 game
@@faithlessberserker5921 meh I liked it
These movies hold a special place in my heart, ghost rider was one of the first superhero movies I was exposed to as a kid, outside of Spider-Man and x-men, hulk. Ik these movies don’t even touch the full potential and awesomeness of ghost rider, but the first movie specifically made me want to be the ghost rider. I remember evening trying to dress exactly like Johnny blaze cause I thought leather jackets and black pants looked cool. The movie did a good job at the time anyway of making me want to turn into ghost rider. I hope the mcu does the character justice and unlike moonknight gives him a movie with a rated r rating. Not a tv series, a movie or at least a rated r special presentation. I like these movies, they’re not good, but they built my love for the character, specifically Johnny blazes version.
We owe the late great Peter Fonda at least a little more than calling him a "Palpatine looking mf", as on point as the roast is
Especially when he was a huge motorcycle fanatic himself
"We need Nick Cage in the MCU, the world needs him."
Fun fact is that Mephisto in the first movie is played by Peter Fonda who is the Captain America bike rider in Easy Rider 1969.
No wonder he gave Ghost Rider a cool bike 😂😂😂
Woah. you just blew my mind. I don't think I've heard about that Easter egg before. how in the hell were you able to find that out. and then putting 2 and 2 together that Peter Fonda was a motorcycle rider in a 70s movie while being cast in this motorcycle movie is a complete mind f♤¿£ . Teach me your genius. lol just messing with you. I'm pretty sure everyone knew that Fonda was in easy rider and it's no surprise that he was cast in this movie
I think we can all agree that the ghost rider character looked amazing in the second movie
0:14 No that is not true! We’re not sick of Superhero movies! That is not true in the slightest!
Didn’t even know Shazam 2 came out
Looking back, you can really tell that they were like "Michael Bay is popular right now, and so are superhero movies. Let's make a superhero movie that's similar to The Rock, Michael Bay's best movie."
They need to bring back all the old 2000s marvel movie characters that had mediocre movies for secret wars. That would be amazing. It could be like their redemption.
Honestly if the MCU does redo Ghost Rider it would be nice for them to adapt Danny Ketch. He kinda gets the Wally West treatment where was important but often gets forgotten
Wally west is the most popular flash tho, look at any pole ever people absolutely love Wally. One of the rare cases where the side kick has become the preferable character in some peoples eyes.
@@brolo4784 he’s referring to the comic versions of wally that in the past 2 decades has been completely shafted by dc in Favor of barry
I wish i liked the 2nd more because it's so much more insane with it's direction but the writing just hurt it. They really blew it with the barebones plot with the devil not Danny Ketch.
Muzzy’s voice can get mono tone and dull at times, but every now and again, he has a funny line or two. He even makes jokes that I would make. Bone puns and sexual jokes.
As Elvis the Alien said in the title of _his_ ghost rider video: They’re terrible and I love them.
no way, xavier
you did NOT just upload this on my birthday (which was so not intentional, you don't know me)
this is awesome
happy birthday!
@@featherfly478 thanks!
If I'm honestly I like the Ghost Rider films mainly the 1st one spirit of Vengeance is Eh. The films and UMVC3 honestly made me a pretty big Ghost Rider fan I love his character so much especially his penance stare. The films aren't amazing I'll give it that but in the end I just enjoy the 1st film
After what the MCU did to Moon Knight, Taskmaster and Gorr, I'd prefer it if Kevin Fiege keeps his grubby hands as far away from Ghost Rider as possible.
No, we seriously need a Ghost Rider reboot as soon as possible. There's no way Marvel would left such a powerful and popular character like Ghost Rider to not be in MCU.
@@garvitchauhan6265 I'd rather he never see a cinema again than get bastardised by the MCU.
@@SpinoSam Haha, keep crying! Ghost Rider is definitely getting a MCU reboot soon and you can't do anything bro!
@@garvitchauhan6265 and Ill be the one laughing "I told you so" when you come back here crying about how they completely butchered and ruined Ghost Rider.
@@SpinoSam They won't ruin Ghost Rider, I absolutely guarantee you. They are making their 1st R Rated movie (Deadpool 3) and Blade is also rumoured to be R Rated too, plus Werewolf by Night was very good and dark compared to other MCU projects. So, they are definitely not gonna ruin Ghost Rider at all, he is going to be fine.
superhero films of the 2000s, back when there was no shared universe, your only continuity can be found in the sequels
and they made a video game out of every superhero flick
Ghost Rider 1 was my favourite movie when I was a kid. So, as ridiculous as it is, Ghost Rider will always have a place in my heart.
The Ghost Rider films are literally two of my favorite Marvel movies ever.
I just want to say I appreciate your references enormously. From the Neature clip to the tattoo on their back reference. Nonstop fun here. And I have wondered several times wtf happened to this series. You guys really nailed it.
Just want to say that your videos have gotten a lot better over the years!
Yeah a lot of people knew who Ghost Rider is. He's always been at least as big as Daredevil
I love thee Ghost Rider movies. BTW the spike outfit is more from Danny Ketch in the comics. Danny Ketch is Johnny Blaze half brother in comics. Either Carter Slade doesn't look like that in comics, he is more cowboy ghost like, either his name is Phantom rider (but has been named Ghost Rider once). The Secret Wars: its Batltle world had some Ghost Rider comics called Ghost Racers, where Carter Slade is called Satan Stomper.
I agree partly on the nostalgia part, it is either called nostalgia glasses. But if i isn't good, it doesn't automatically mean it can't be fun.
Ghost Rider 2 was a bit like a rebooted sequel, like with Incredible Hulk and the Hulk movies and the Avengers (and after).
The canonicity of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is questionable, especially looking at the Darkhold.
I love these videos, it's always cool to see you collab with someone
I remember watching the first movie with my step mom and dad. I was terrified of it as a kid! I’m surprised my dad watched it cuz he’s catholic.
Ngl THESE were the movies that got me into superhero cinema
Still a guilty pleasure to this day
While I think the first movie is overall a much better adaptation of the character and a more entertaining movie, I do have to say that I find myself revisiting the Ghost Rider scenes from SoV much more than the ones from the first movie. Those action scenes are a blast to watch every time and I really like the Rider being portrayed almost like a horror movie creature. I am also just straight up mesmerized by the Rider's design in SoV. The smoaky flames, charred black skull und melting leather just looks insanely good both for its time and even compared to alot of modern Marvel movies.
Ghost rider spirit vengeance was a straight reboot and the major difference with the rider is that in spurt of vengeance Nick Cage plays and voices the rider
Ghost rider was my first ever super hero and I watched the movie every week he’s the entire reason I’m into comics today
Till this day he’s my favorite marvel hero
Here's to hoping we get a Daredevil 2003 video while we're getting vids on 2000's Marvel movies
When I was 7 my mom's at-the-time boyfriend snuck me into that movie theatre for Ghost Rider without her knowledge. He knew much more about Ghost Rider whereas I only had a passing interest, as in I pointed at a picture and said "who's that"
if you're out there reading this comment, that was super rad I'll never forget it
I just LOVE the design of the rider in the second movie
Funny story, this movie came out when I was 3, and my father was a huge fan of the character, so naturally he wanted me to see it. My mother argued against it as I was scared of the green goblin, doc ock and sandman in the spider-man movies at the time. (Ironically the only spider man villain I was fine with was Venom). My dad got it on DVD and watched it on his own before saying he thought I'd be fine watching it, my mother still said no, so he naturally showed me anyway, and I loved every second of it. I thought it was the coolest movie ever and nobody could tell me otherwise.
TL;DR I was too scared to even watch spider man 1-3 at the age of 3 because of the villains with the exception of Venom, but would watch Ghost Rider non stop.
Every time Muzzy makes a “joke” I lose a year off of my life
7:34 Here, let me help put it another way; the movie committed to making him look like a straight up Twilight reject.
The pre mcu post Spider-Man era of marvel movies is certainly interesting
The ghost rider movies stand well enough on thier own. Still decent to rewatch and have as background noise. Cant say the same for the Disney SW trilogy and most of the Marvel movies.
I appreciate the first movie for getting me into the character but man I just cannot stand ghost rider under a PG rating lol
I have a feeling the 2000s would’ve been kinder to Moon Knight with how risky these early 2000s CBMs were
It felt like they were always trying something different back then
Oh God. I'm glad your father survived that accident, best wishes.
Our dads took my cousin and I to see this when we were 7, and we physically couldn’t take how awesome it was.
I've always said the first one had the story, and the second one had the visuals.
Not to the fault of the first one I understand it was a product of its time but had it been released when the second one came out with the updated visuals then we would have witnessed the birth of an amazing franchise.
Too bad we don't live in a perfect world tho eh?
HOLY SHIT IT HAS BEEN WHAT NOW??? 7 SEVEN YEARS SINCE YOUR LAST VIDEO!!! Did you finish that Spider-Man retrospective btw?
Love how you through in the Ghost Rider ps2 game music! 😁
I legit love these movies and wish more people gave them a chance
Any chance we'll ever get a retrospective of the evil dead movies?
Yo muzzy a fucken legend I swear at 10:09
One thing that I think not enough people talk about is the portrayal of the Spirit of Vengeance itself in the second film. I know what the Spirit actually is, but to the outside world and the world around him, he is a literal DEMON FROM HELL. It makes sense that he is portrayed with all those weird and erratic movements that we see. I think it makes him look a lot more paranormal, a lot more ghostly. I think it's a really good and unique way to portray him.
Excellent video and on the money too. I'm a massive fan of the GR comics and while not perfect, the first one is alot of fun.
I say studios should take a break from live action superhero films and make more animated films. Spider-Verse 1 was amazing, Death of Superman (2018) is still the best Superman movie in the past 10 years, and the Dark Knight Returns does everything Zack fails at.
We definitely need a Ghost Rider cartoon like the Spawn cartoon
Nicholas Cage wasn't the Johnny Blaze we wanted, but he was the Johnny Blaze we needed. 😎
My man got a Morgan and Morgan ad, that’s pretty sick haha
Watch his two vids from before this
True that
Always love seeing this character get some attention
Great video as always!
I wonder who they'd cast if Johnny made it into the MCU
They'd probably just opt in Robbie Reyes or Alejandra Jones.
Norman Reedus probably
@@SirBlackReedsI'd like to see Ketch
Still kinda disappointed how this underrated anti hero rarely gets the spotlight, most of the time getting the sidekick treatment
Ive been meaning to watch this video but before i had the chance the thumbnail changes like 3 different times
It only changed once.
@@GodzillaMendoza I've Nelson's Mandela'd myself
First RUclipsr to have a lawyer sponsorship! I like it
I was born in 2002 and ghost rider was the first superhero film I seen. The first movie will always be nostalgic
These movies suck, but anytime Ghost Rider is on screen it's a 10/10 these movies made me love the character.
Seeing a 2099 ghost rider was my first entrance and video games to the character so I had to go back and check him out. I was excited when they announcing the movie.
Another GodzillaMendoza banger
One of my favorites alongside Blade, The Punisher, Logan, snd Venom etc