How to choose black ink for drawing and fountain pens
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I’m starting in drawing, watercolor and fountain pens, and Teoh's channel is one of the best to learn. 5 stars :)
Thanks for your support :-)
I also started watercoloring and fountain pens because of Teoh’s channel
After a dark and lonely journey through the internet, I finally stumbled across a wise man. This man had all the answers to my questions and even to questions I've yet to ask. Now I must venture out once more, until I reach the AMAZON (.com) where I will apply this knowledge in my search, until I find this elusive ink which will fill my brush pens and my fountain pens. There I will add to cart and purchase this fine ink. As I patiently wait, I thank you wise youtube man.
Learning a great deal from you Teoh. Setting up my art gear palette included for my Art ventures and you have been a great deal of help. I found a Fountain pen I ordered a few years ago and needed to search for ink for it and here you go. Awesome
Cool 😁
Teoh Yi Chie ordered the Noodles Ink to get me started
Every question I ever have … you always have an answer :) thank you
Thanks so much for the review. It was very helpful.
A great video Teoh, thanks for sharing it.
Pelikan Fount India is made for fountain pens, it's save to use it in FP's (Pelikan has also other non FP India ink)
Nice video! With the Artemis ink, the reasoning behind the nomenculture would be that things written to go into archives need to have a longer shelf-life than everyday documents (I imagine).
Thank you, it is really helpful.
Very useful. Thank you
rotring isographs are for sure my #1 favorite for drawing.
Hej Teoh Yi Chie! I follow your channel since a while now and I always recommend it for my friends who want to learn sketching or watercolor. Maybe you can answer my doubt. I got a big haul of art supplies but they are quite old. There are some inks, Higgins and rotring. The problem is that nearly all of them have two substances separated in the bottles. Yellowish liquid and some kind of colored stone in the bottom. I’ve read that they are not out of date but I don’t know how to “mix” the substances again. My main purpose is painting with them as watercolor so no pen nibs or fountain pens will be damaged. Thanks a lot for all the knowledge you already shared with me. Have a nice day!
You can just add those tiny metal beads (from jewelry) or ball bearing into the bottle and shake. This should mix the pigment and binder thoroughly.
Hi, Teoh! What waterproof inks can I use for Lamy Safari Fountain pen? Can I use Platinum carbon ink?
Yes, you can
Hi Ella, I use a LAMY consistantly! I recommend NOODLER Eel black, Noodler HEART OF DARKNESS and also the MARS 745 Drawing ink. ALL THESE HAVE WORKED VERY WELL IN MY PEN!
Thank you,@@elizabethpopiel7187☺️☺️☺️
I use Platinum Carbon Ink Black in my LAMY Vista with a fine nib. It works great and it has a nice flow.
You can but don't leave it in there more than a few days, it can destroy your pen.
I wanna use ink alone, no pen or brush. My dad says it's wasteful and that I'll have less control in my drawings. Is there anything wrong with applying the ink straight from the bottle's dropper?
+Only Music Nothing wrong with using ink that way. It depends on what you are trying to achieve. Pollock dripped paint onto his canvas too.
Could you do an update on what inks are good and safe for drawing with a fountain pen? Or point me to the review if I've missed it. Thanks.
Thank you. Very helpful.
Thanks for all the good information. You inspired me to get a fountain pen! I got the Duke 209. Have you tried Higgins Calligraphy Ink? It is supposed to be waterproof and for fountain pens. I have tried it a little and it seems waterproof when I used watercolors over it. It does not seem very intense black though. Thanks.
+N Diehl I've not used Higgins or those watercolour inks before.
Fountain pens use fine capillary action to feed the ink, so suspended particles in India Ink will definitely clog it. Languages using pictograms like Mandarin, etc, Korean, Japanese require very black ink to do calligraphy.
In some inks the particles are so small that they don't clog the pen (but still require a monthly rinse & cleaning).
Hi, Teoh! thanks for the great overview. I have used Noodler's Black, De Atramentis, then really loved using Platinum Carbon Black for the last year in about 8 of my fountain pens, but found then that it really stained my white & yellow Lamy and also clogged them up, so I couldn't get my white Lamy Joy to work. Now after getting some advice about cleaning them with toothbrush and dish soap, I have got them to work again, but am wondering now what ink to use. I am thinking of trying the Rohring & Klingner SketchINK, and I am just wondering which black waterproof ink is your current favorite at the moment? I was disappointed in the Noodler's as you said, sometimes smears, and disappointed in the De Atramentis Document Black as it just did not seem very black to me --- I really love the blackest blacks, like Aurora black ink, but that is not waterproof. Maybe I will try only using the Platinum Carbon in pens that are not white or yellow and .... just wondering what is your favorite now? Thanks much! since this was posted almost 4 years ago!! :-)
You can consider De Atramentis Archive ink, Sailor KiwaGuro or SketchINK by Rohrer and Klingnor
PERFECT!!!! thank you!
+David Amos I forgot I even made this video 😂
Hi Teoh! I enjoy your channel very much and have learned a lot from your videos so thank you! I have a question. Can you recommend certain colored ink for use in fountain pens? I see a lot of artists using colored ink in fountain pens but I can't really figure out which ones are appropriate for use. I do understand it must be labeled fountain pen ink, but I don't see many colored inks that are labeled as such, at least here in the United States. Any brands and colors that you like and think would be suitable I would love to hear about. Thank you!
I am new to using fountain pens and I wanted to ask you. What are the best inks or ink for normal everyday writing and journal writing that will have little to no Feathering issues? I am in the USA so I would want to buy ones that I can get shipped to me or that may be on Amazon. Thank you for your help and all the great videos.
Hi, I'm learning a lot watching your videos, thank you for sharing them with us! I wanted to ask: if I put the Rotring Drawing Black Ink in a bottle with a large opening, is it possible to use it for a dip pen? or the ink will ruin the nib?
Hi, i was also wondering about the same thing, did you try using it ? I you did please reply it would really help a beginner like me 😅
Hello, Teoh. I want to ask. Can I use the rotring ink to refill my snowman drawing pens?
Anyway, greetings from Indonesia!
Thanks alot..
This is a great video, thank you. And what camera are you using?
+Lai Jerry Panasonic GH4. Here's a video of my RUclips equipment ruclips.net/video/ctbFSP1tnr8/видео.html
İ'll wanna see u try it
what is your top ink to use in the field? something both waterproof and fast drying? (it can be for either fountain or dip pens) i've been testing various black inks on fabriano and arches watercolor papers and I find that many so-called waterproof inks take too long to dry and when they are dry they still bleed when applying a wash!
+Airbugg The safer ones would be Platinum Carbon Black and Sailor Kiwa Guro.
www.parkablogs.com/content/review-platinum-carbon-ink
www.parkablogs.com/node/11387
You can get them on eBay.
thx teoh I bought pelican ink for my metropolitan fountain pens. I got violet color though. Seems like nice ink.
Could somebody please recommend an ink which when it dries does not look “jet black” or very dark in general but rather looks more like faded black, maybe grey black?
Noodlers Bullet Proof is not black black but it’s not waterproof on certain paper.
Anyway, you can always dilute the ink yourself
Thks
Hi Teoh, Thank you for the great information in this video. I'm new to urban sketching and have watched a lot of your video on how to get started. I've since bought some entry level fountain pens like the Duke Fude, Lamy and TWISBI Eco. As I'm just a beginner, I do not want to invest in the more expensive waterproof ink and I've gotten a bottle of the 57ml Parker Quink (seems to be from China). The online description says it's for fountain pen use and it's "permanent ink". What is the difference between 'permanent ink' and 'waterproof ink' or 'bulletproof ink'. In your opinion, is it safe to use the Parker Quink ink on my new fountain pens? Thanking you in advance
Not sure what they mean by permanent. Parker inks are usually not waterproof. These are inks I recommend www.parkablogs.com/content/waterproof-fountain-pen-inks-drawing
Hi Teoh. I love your informative videos. I am a total rookie when it comes to fountain pens and I see you just mentioned a refillable brush pen. Could you perhaps share what brush pen that was. Also is there perhpas another permanent ink that you know of for fountain pens. What about lamy? What is their ink like? Thanx in advance. Des
That's a Kuretake Brush Pen. The surface material will become sticky with time so get the glossy surface body or plastic body instead. For Lamy pen, see my recommended inks here www.parkablogs.com/content/waterproof-fountain-pen-inks-drawing
@@teohyc thank you so much for taking time to answer my questions. Is the pentel brush pen I good choice. I see that is avaliable in our country. Thank you.
NOODLERS SHOULD SPONSOR TEOH!!
In my experience the Rotring ink is the best all round drawing black ink and a fast dryer .
Paul Howlett can you use rotring ink in a fountain pen? I have the ink already for my isographs and i just ran out of normal black fountain pen ink.
Hi, Teoh! thanks for the share. How do you maintain a fountain pen with an adapted Calligraphy Nib ( Ex. G nib)? Do you have to clean the pen off ink every day as leaving the nib in ink will cause rust I hear. Is it a good idea to wash the Calligraphy nibs in water? Or can we use some thing else. I see all my nibs get oxsided Look when they contact with ink > Is it normal to be like that. Thanks again for all of your videos and they are great, interesting and very educative .
+Cyril Jayant I usually wipe with tissue after each use. There is no way to keep them completely clean. Perhaps check if there are any RUclips video on this subject.
Hello Teoh, I have three questions (1) What do you think with rotring isograph can work fountain pen inks? (2) In Sakura, Uni Pin or Staedtler fineliner what kind of ink exists? probably can be refilled would be super useful (3) What's your top five darkest ink in both fountain pens and drawing ink? :)
If you use Rotring Isograph, you don’t need to use the disposable pens. Just use Rotring ink which is quite dark
@@teohyc super, thank you! now I'm checking your comparison of different black inks
how much is that
What about the inks containing shellac? Does that have an advantage? Thank you.
Shellac inks will dry to form a protective coating that is difficult to remove. And you don't want that on fountain pen nibs.
Is it possible to use dye ink in a rotring technical pen? Or any other type of ”not rotring provided” ink?
Dye ink is safe and can use in all pens that take ink. Typical fountain pen inks are dye inks.
I heard sumi ink was bad for brush pens, is this true? Im going to buy a converter for my kuretake brush pen and I was researching what sort of ink to buy. I wanted a nice water soluble ink with rich blacks and no bleed
Sumi ink is ground from ink blocks with water added. The particulars are not grounded as fine as they can be so they are most definitely going to clog brush pens. Sumi ink best used with normal brushes where they can be washed easily after each use.
Hello, Teoh. Can you dilute the Rotring ink with water to create grey washes? Does it work well? Thank you. :)
It should work. But different blacks will dilute to different types of grey. Some will look warmer (yellowish) and some will look cooler (bluish). Depends on which you prefer.
can any one tell me about prodot ink!
i use prodot ink in my printer its soluble in water. can i use this ink in fountain pen?
Don't use printer inks in fountain pens. There are so many fountain pen inks to choose from.
I'm so overwhelmed by the fountain pen world. Please help me. You have so much knowledge and I enjoy all your videos. I had finally settled on the twsbi Eco and had no idea that certain inks have to be used in the fountain pens. I want waterproof ink for my journaling as I love to use water colors in my journaling. I don't want an elaborate pen to start off with but I don't want junk either as I would like to experience the fountain pen experience. I would really appreciate any help you can recommend. Thank you so much for your time and your videos.
Brenda Kelley
Just a thought.
Experiment first with a few dabs or strokes of a fountain pen ink and a permanent ink.
Use fountain pen ink for your TWSBI, use a dip pen/brush for your waterproof inks, then use a Clear coat ( Krylon's Crystal Clear) to seal the media. Give the coating time to cure then smear some water on the area and sea if the Fountain Pen ink holds ups.
Just a thought.
In my training days as a draftswoman, 2 lifetimes ago in Brazil, we actually knew India ink as Nanking.
I bought a bottle of 'SUPER5" fountain ink. Its from Germany and it is waterproof. I think there are 5 different colours.
+Helen D Thanks. I got to try that too in the future.
Can you recommend the darkest black or blackest black fountain ink?
+urbanmiss26 Platinum Carbon Black or Sailor KiwaGuro. See the chart on this page: www.parkablogs.com/picture/comparison-of-different-black-inks
Excellent educational video. Sound level up and down otherwise very interesting.
Thanks for the video and the info on your blog is great. But you have got to get a decent microphone set up......
Can i use Rotring ink for the Lamy fountain pen? Will it be a good replacement for DeAtraments archive ink or carbon ink? These inks looks very expensive in comparison to Rotring ink.
It should be okay
How'd it go?
Rotring ink is probably the same as indian ink german zeichentusche - it could ruin a normal fountain pen
Is the Noodler's truly waterproof when painted over with a brush? I recently ordered two inks, one of them was the Atramentis document ink, the other Rohrer & Klingner permanent ink, because I was told by the shop that the Noodler's waterproof ink would smudge the top layer of ink when run over with a wet brush. Is this entirely wrong? I ask because the Noodler's ink is a bigger size and would be cheaper to use. I ordered from purepens.co.uk. They ship worldwide and have lots of the Noodler's inks. I am in Norway so also need to import.
Noodlers not all of them, many depends on the paper, the sailor black pigmented ink is not completed waterproof
I'll recommend you he platinum black carbon ink, or any platinum pigmented ink
Which waterproof ink should I use in my kaweco Perkeo please help t.t
Here are some options www.parkablogs.com/content/waterproof-fountain-pen-inks-drawing
and for brush pens what should i be looking for? same as fountain pens to not clog with waterproof?
Rotring should be safe for brush pens
could you use india ink with the isograph rotring?
+Ng Xiao En It's going to clog the pen
I brought myself two rotring sketch art pens and was disappointed the ink is not waterproof. I guess only their isograph ink is waterproof.
is there a significant difference if you use a fountain pen ink with a dip pen?? :O unfortunately I haven't found any sellers with a variety of inks for dip pens over here..
+airahfuji You can certainly use fountain pen inks with dip pens.
Teoh Yi Chie thanks man 😁
Hi, Great video. I have a Pentel pocket brush pen and I want to refill it. I tried using Lamy black ink but it came out looking very dark grey. Do you have any experience with what kind of ink to use in a Pentel brush pen to get the blackest result? Thank you.
You can try Rotring ink
thanks for the reply. is Rotring blacker than noodlers x-feather? I was considering that one, but I'm afraid it will be too thick to give the brush pen a good flow
It's black. It flows a bit slower so you have to draw slower.
thanks
Teoh Yi Chie I bought the Rotring ink you recommended and it worked perfectly in my Pentel brush pen! Many thanks again.
Hi Teoh!
Can I fill my water brush with Indian ink? Or it will clog?
And Is Rotring ink waterproof? Can I use it with a brush? Or maybe with the water brush?
It's my first time trying to paint with inks so I don't know anything XD
Hope u answer! Greetings from Peru!!!
It may clog. Indian ink is pigmented with tiny particles.
Rotring is waterproof and should work fine.
Teoh Yi Chie Thank u very much!:D
does pelikan ink becomes water proof after it gets dry ?
It's not waterproof. For waterproof, try Noodlers Bulletproof Black, De Atramentis Document, Sailor KiwaGuro.
What is the black brush pen you showed with a converter?
Kuretake brush pen? www.parkablogs.com/picture/review-kuretake-no-40-50-sable-brush-pen
Can we use fountain pens ink for dip pen plsss answer
You can
Hi. Is the rotring for technical pen waterproof and what technical pen is that. Thank-you
Rotring ink is waterproof
Thank you @@teohyc
can I use rotring ink in a fountain pen?
Not sure about that. You should use ink that says that it's safe for fountain pen use. Some examples are Noodlers Bulletproof Black ink, Sailor KiwaGuro, DeAtramentis Document
Can i use tech pen ink on a fountain pen?
I would say at your own risk....but, I put koh I Nor tech pen ink in my fountain pan and it's fine...I tried it in a Jane Davenport fountain pen...just an fyi...may void warenty too.
Is camlin fountain pen ink OK?
+MC CLG Should be okay but it's not waterproof.
But..why can't we use indian ink on a fountain pen?
+Zefy P. Pigments are basically tiny particles that are grounded. This particles will choke your pen. Imagine putting sand into a water pipe. It will be difficult to clean the pens when they are choked also, especially for pens that cannot be dismantled.
Indian ink is a class of ink that's heavily pigmented. Hence they should be avoided.
Well you totally covered my question.
Thanks a lot it really helped me! ^^
There are, or were, several manufacturers who made fountain pen-style pens which were designed to hold India ink. I own one made by Osmiroid, the Osmiroid Sketch, which uses a bladder like an old Parker 51, and it's a real curiosity because it definitely does not clog with India ink, it has a very different feed and that may have something to do with it, but it IS scratchier than you would tend to like a sketch pen to be. I compare it to my rotring art pen, which does use fountain pen ink, and is an extra fine and not very flexible, which doesn't really lend itself to the most expressive sketching, but it's a much more comfortable draw than the osmiroid. Which may be one of the reasons why you just don't see that pen anymore. Or that manufacturer, for that matter. In general India ink is much more suitable to brush drawing, or dip pens which can be infinitely more flexible than most fountain pens today...or for use in technical pens, which some think are not very expressive, but a look at any of Robert Crumb's sketchbooks would reveal someone who is able to show that a technical pen can be as expressive as any other drawing instrument made by mankind.
thanks so much for this video I was wondering why my lamy pen kept getting clogged . I thought it may be the pen because I got it from Amazon.
hello... which one is good for water coloring? Indian ink or pen ink? thanks :)
To be used for painting? Or used for drawing and then be painted over with watercolour?
watercoloring using only ink just like in inktobers :)
If you use Indian ink, you need to use dip pens. Indian ink in fountain pens will clog the pen. Indian ink is waterproof when dry, so you can use watercolour over them.
where in singapore can i get a rotring?
I can't remember where I bought mine. Maybe ask ArtFriend or Overjoyed
@@teohyc thank you for your response! i will make sure to check.
Hi, Teoh! I was thinking of buying rotring ink for dip pen (with zebra g nib) and pentel pocket brush pen could you please answer my question it would really help me alot .🙏🙏
Rotring ink is good
Ok thank you so much for answering.😁😁
I will use both the dip pen and the brush pen with rotring ink . Well in india getting a good ink for fountain pens and other things costs more than other places so i was finding good inks which we can get easily and at a lower price.
Also Teoh! Can i store rotring ink in other ink bottle which is cleaned completely?
@@thabettariqkhan You can. Rotring ink is quite safe. Easy to clean. No smell. Dark. Fluid.
can u list that where can i buy thiz
You can do a search on Amazon or eBay.
+Teoh Yi Chie thank u
where do you get your ink and pens?
+flaminghot 147 Either at local stationery stores here or online.
can you list some websites please
Is there anywhere I can get the "kuretake" inks locally?
+Rage Lord In Singapore? Not sure. I think prices on eBay are quite competitive.
You can get Kuretake at Overjoyed - 89 Short Street (Golden Wall Centre) #B1-08. Or check them out online: www.overjoyed.com.sg/ (I'm not affiliated with them btw)
+perfectpandemonium96 I already found them at overjoyed. But thanks anyway!
A number of "fountain pen" inks are waterproof", including Noodler's Black.
By any chance are you Singaporean?
+Hitler is actually a cat Yes. How can you tell? 😂
Hey Teoh, I bought myself a bottle of Sailor Kiwa Guro ink in juli, and it was very good for my drawings and very good non soluble, When I colored my paintings with watercolor it did not fade out. But now suddenly on my fresh drawings the ink starts to fade very strong. Have you ever heard of this. the only thing that I know the ink was close to the heating, can that be the problem.
greatings Frits
Hi, I read that some people have the same problem. After a few months, the ink seems to lose the waterproof quality. I'm not sure why it happens also.
hi, do know if the Platinum Carbon has rhe same problem, or is that ink steady nonsoluble
Platinum Carbon ink is waterproof and does not have the same problem.
Hey Teoh thank you very much for your quick answer, and keep on making those beautifull videos.
grfrits
Is the Rotring Ink the only ink I can use to refill my Technical pen or can it take India ink and fountain pen ink as well?
+starshinesoldier You can use fountain pen ink also. Avoid India ink which may clog.
Thank you!
Can you do a long term test? Alll these inks on various papers(including print papers) for 1-2 years exposed to sunlight. Heheheh.
Pigmented carbon inks will not fade because they are physical particles.
@@teohyc so something loke platinum carbon black wont...fade?
@@cinmai978 Anything with carbon in it would not fade. Some fountain pen archival inks I recommend are Platinum Carbon, SailorKiwa Guro, SketchINK, De Atramentis Archive, De Atramentis Document.
i like how he is so professional but still speaks like he doesn't know anything
I wonder why the chinese call it the indiannn ink? Maybe its black like 👀
Chinese ink and India ink are sometimes used interchangeably
Encre de Chine is Generic French for Indian ink, so it’s pretty much interchangeable I expect.
The sound is awful, it keeps fading in and out.
Some so called "water proof" they are to water but no to markers... So test it first
Both De Atramentis Archive and Document inks are permanent and waterproof. The difference though is that Archive ink is more durable, more permanent because it's pigment-based whereas Document ink is dye-based.
PS: Document Black from De Atramentis is my all time favorite black for drawing. If you haven't tried it yet give it a shot. Though I haven't used it in a line&wash situation.
Thanks for the info. I've always wondered about their differences.
Smelly ink, yuck
Audio is horrible. I love your content but wowzers
What do you want to say Man.....I hv listened to you accidentally for three times but I am not able to make out what actually you want to convey...Listen to your audio once and than for sure you might understand.
poor audio recording
you really need to fix your mic :/