The Worst job ive ever seen

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  • Опубликовано: 31 окт 2024

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  • @jasonbean7073
    @jasonbean7073 Год назад +43

    If you are venturing into commercial work always ask to see the asbestos register before venturing into ceiling and ensure you are trained in asbestos awareness yourselves. Data engineers are one of the trades most likely to be exposed to asbestos during their day to day work.

    • @jasonwatson9011
      @jasonwatson9011 Год назад +1

      Just on look at the dust in the air and what's settled on all of the surfaces. Then add the ceiling tiles and pipe lagging etc.

    • @jackwelsh3353
      @jackwelsh3353 Год назад +3

      Yep I work for Openreach and we always ask for an asbestos report

    • @hks-lion
      @hks-lion Год назад +1

      I was coughing looking at some of that pipe lagging

    • @electrical_installer.
      @electrical_installer. Год назад

      👏👏

  • @alexacb63
    @alexacb63 Год назад +15

    As a tip for data cable, it normally has metre marks on it, so you don't need to pull one out to measure it to match length, you can just read off the first and last metre marks and it'll tell you how long it is...

    • @OldLordSpeedy
      @OldLordSpeedy Год назад +1

      Normally *all* cable have meter (or miles) markings. But some companies stop to do that for an unknown reason.

  • @robertburrows6612
    @robertburrows6612 Год назад +12

    One thing to remember when you do an industrial or commercial job , your on a fixed price which has been cut to the bone and you got to do the job within a fixed time , which is near impossible. Go and work in a supermarket when you have to pull through 70 plus cat 6 cables running in all directions and you have a maximum time of 8 hours and your on a financial penalty if you don't complete on time so yes it get thrown in they don't care how it looks there only interested in does it work

  • @firsteerr
    @firsteerr Год назад +2

    the majority of commercial units start out being well installed then tenant after tenant gets Sinbad in to add sockets change the lighting throw up some walls and the control is no longer there

  • @leeroberts1192
    @leeroberts1192 Год назад +8

    For each network switch, have a patch panel above (connect to the top row of ports on the switch) and one below (connect to the bottom row ports on the switch). If seen it done so on another channel and it makes it look neat and avoids having a rats nest of cables at the front of the cabinet

  • @timh5529
    @timh5529 Год назад +8

    Looks about right for a commercial building. Lashed in.

  • @GaryB007
    @GaryB007 Год назад +9

    I've seen similar in the past. It's just the result of how offices evolve over time, and they usually want it done quickly and cheaply, so corners get cut.

    • @Extragonk
      @Extragonk Год назад +2

      In my last office I did perversely enjoy data cable fit out archeology tracking back the various bodges by cable standard age. The first stuff was always spot on, and progressively got worse and worse the more recent it got.

    • @GaryB007
      @GaryB007 Год назад +1

      @@Extragonk That was indeed the norm - a bit like the rings of a tree 🙂

  • @cjkokay
    @cjkokay Год назад +2

    Fir your data cable pulling, tape only the pull end. Hint if you've pre run out cable to length ready for pull, great if you have enough man power to leave it stretched out but more common pile the cable in a big fig8 when usually let's it feed off nicely. This especially for the in between pulls. Never coil.

  • @michaelwilliams3648
    @michaelwilliams3648 Год назад +2

    That’s normal in poorly funded/spending SME buildings. It is also a prime example of why premature collapse rules were bought in, just think in a fire that shit just drops. Loads of space to put in some cable trays and use some Velcro tape but that costs a few extra pennies and so many won’t spend them.

  • @jonathanrose456
    @jonathanrose456 Год назад +1

    Data doesn’t need to comply with regs so, you’ll see a lot of it in commercial installs. I worked on a nightclub project where the cable weight was collapsing the suspended ceiling. Older installs occasionally have taped joints, etc.. Part P, etc., only covers domestic installs so, unless an incident occurs, HSE /Councils have no authority.

  • @tonipeters4543
    @tonipeters4543 Год назад +8

    Nick, you asked is it normal? well, yes it is, often (as others have said) the job was won on price, not quality. At the end of the day, the customer knows it works, so why should they worry, but the poor s*ds who have to put it in are on a time limit, and are often given "just enough" cable to do the job, no cable tray or trunking or any other means of support. It would not be possible or practical to (as someone suggested) to rip it out and start again, it would take time to take the cables out (Time=money) and it would take a long time to run new cables, so who is going to pay? The customer will not be interested as he knows what he already has works, and its not as if you could sell the cables for scrap (Too much plastic) so you would then have to pay to dispose of the old cables. It's sad that it is this way, but that is how it is.😐

  • @alanjones3873
    @alanjones3873 Год назад +3

    You should see analogue telephone exchsnges. In my day it was all trays and tied every few inches. Too labour intensive so they put a mesh ceiling and threw cables across. Never move a cable (certainly not remove) just throw a new one in for every change. Should only have needed to change at patch panel (TJF/MDF) but that never lasted. Same guys moved to digital. Proper data design should use fibre links to local data switches for every area. Great you are learning about it since it will be more used in domestic as the limitations of wifi are recognised.

  • @J4MB0
    @J4MB0 Год назад +6

    I remember that domestic job you did a when back where you used wire basket in the loft... If there was ever a time you should've used it, it was this one :)

  • @psansom
    @psansom Год назад +3

    New batteries in the label machine should fix that dim lettering issue

  • @stephenhunter70
    @stephenhunter70 Год назад

    Ah Spaghetti Ravioli! The cabling, all of it in the ceiling!

  • @marka108
    @marka108 Год назад

    wish i was closer mate, i would have happily releaved you of the old data cabinets, keep up the great work, nice to see something different.

  • @BenHArtist
    @BenHArtist Год назад

    Stuck my 65inch on the wall using 6 x Bullfix fixings as I couldn't find a stud where I needed it to be. I then found the stud afterwards and drilled another pair of holes in the TV mount just to make sure. Those Bullfix fixings are pretty impressive, definitely worth a look into for the future mate 👌

  • @OldLordSpeedy
    @OldLordSpeedy Год назад +1

    Very easy to see the wrong things since they build this house:
    - no build-in floor for going
    - no exclusive space for 230 Volt cable / (fire-)alarm / data cables
    - no full fire protection inside the house structure
    - no full smoke protection inside the house structure
    - no full insulation of this house. No need heating at winter and cooling at summer?
    Easy to fix - make all new ...

  • @chaseohara4781
    @chaseohara4781 Год назад

    Can you imagine if you had to run a home run for every socket and light fixture in a house? That's what they're doing here. Better bet to run a trunk line to the space where there are a bunch of drops located, and then have short drop lengths to the individual locations.
    The cost of cabling can really add up, especially when you add in labour costs. Even if you have to add in additional switches, it can often be cheaper.

  • @OSmyth696
    @OSmyth696 Год назад

    Only time you see neat data is whenever it's ran in during the build stage. Any amendments after as the building changes use are usually thrown in. See it on a daily basis, unfortunately the result of price work!

  • @ElectricianTV
    @ElectricianTV Год назад +2

    wow what a great episode Nick good work.Blimey the ceiling space looks like the 70s the lagging on the pipes is asbestos.There is also no fire blankets or barrier between the rooms.They require a fire risk assessment.100% they haven't got a asbestos report or register.Still great video why did the biggest fella get in the loft.sod that

  • @ShaunOllerton
    @ShaunOllerton Год назад

    I can confirm that network cabling/businesses are a mess

  • @alsanova
    @alsanova Год назад +2

    Said the same, absolutely rat nest! Not only that, look like most ceiling missing insulation so their heating bill will be 📈

  • @007jamesbond32
    @007jamesbond32 Год назад +5

    i bet the cables are what is hold the building together tbh

  • @Jonbuildz
    @Jonbuildz Год назад +2

    Welcome to data cabling life.... haha It's what I call contractors who bow and arrow cables through roof space. No containment, no all round band for the majority of cabling. An absolute mess best to keep your cabling away from this nest. The grey cabling looks perfect from good quality contractors.

  • @Yodaman_Master
    @Yodaman_Master Год назад +3

    Where’s your Mask especially in that dirty dangerous loft. I used to do hotel systems and yes that’s normal for most instances as the previous installation team where on price work and didn’t care , but good to see you do and teaching them lads good. I would replace your cartridge in your label machine if still light could be the printer head?? 😢

  • @chaseohara4781
    @chaseohara4781 Год назад +1

    As a network engineer, I have absolutely seen worse. If you've never heard the term 'waterfall of cables' then you are a lucky one. Haha 😂

  • @jonathanrose456
    @jonathanrose456 Год назад +1

    BTW… You can’t install new cables in/above corridors anymore.

    • @chrisg5097
      @chrisg5097 Год назад +1

      ? What regulation is that? You can run cables in escape routes but they require fire rated support of some kind. Rings, tray. Regular metal ties etc. Corridors are the easiest way to run cables IMO.

  • @lewisreynods5358
    @lewisreynods5358 Год назад +2

    Standard practise for commercial seen a lot worse. Typically done by the failed electricians (fire & data guys)

  • @geoffhubbert6916
    @geoffhubbert6916 Год назад +1

    Typical suspended ceiling void that. Data Monkeys are worse than Plasterers.

  • @maxking3
    @maxking3 Год назад +2

    Man, compared to Central Europe or Scandinavia, the UK is such a 3rd world country when it comes to tradesmanship. (Not talking about Mr Bundy, of course!)

  • @fredwardofalconist4th454
    @fredwardofalconist4th454 Год назад

    13.15 its all against regs. All cables (mains,data,communications,fire) should be fixed with metal fixings every 300mm

  • @Longeno55
    @Longeno55 Год назад +3

    Nick. I’m thinking you’re corrected about those passages cut out in the loft walls being violation of fir regulations 👉🏼

    • @marksmith-ew7ir
      @marksmith-ew7ir Год назад

      Should be refrained with access door's to slow fire spreading through the roof spaces

    • @leeroberts1192
      @leeroberts1192 Год назад

      Do the regs about premature collapse for electric cables, also apply to data cables?

    • @Thats_Mr_Random_Person_to_you
      @Thats_Mr_Random_Person_to_you Год назад

      @Lee Roberts doubt it... the main 'point' of the premature collapse rules is to stop live mains floating round. Data cables a) extremely low DC voltage - even PoE is 48v DC and b) with the amount of copper in cat6 (most solid core is 24awg) its likely to hust burn through.
      I could of course be wrong. But considering premature collapse seems to be focused on reducing electric shocks as opposed to trip/debris hazard.
      Very few building regs apply to data cabling.

    • @darronjknight
      @darronjknight Год назад

      @@Thats_Mr_Random_Person_to_you I was lead to believe that the prem collapse regs were to keep escape roots clear and to help prevent firefighters getting tangled up in cables in a burning building.

    • @jonathanInLondonUK
      @jonathanInLondonUK Год назад

      @@Thats_Mr_Random_Person_to_you
      See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirley_Towers_fire

  • @sparkequinox
    @sparkequinox Год назад

    Serious question to the sparks out there. Is it common or not for serious/prolonged work in crawl spaces like this to have masks on to stop the fibers or does everyone just breathe it? I know its not toxic, but its definitely something long term will never leave the lungs and must cause issues.

  • @AndyK.1
    @AndyK.1 Год назад +1

    Love the cutouts in the loft walls. 🤣. Was that tv prog called total wipe out ?

  • @haydenuk02
    @haydenuk02 Год назад +2

    That looked like a nightmare to do. Top work and cheers for the video take care

  • @williamdawson6351
    @williamdawson6351 Год назад +1

    Common for an office building run the cable as fast you can in normal.

  • @ADAMBRADY04
    @ADAMBRADY04 Год назад

    First thing you think of in domestic properties is about premiture collapse, you Chris and the Artisan lads always mention it use metal clips or all round band. It's never the same in most commerical buildings. Some guys use cable tray make it neat and show pride in there work others cables lashed left right and center, you would think it would be a major priority in commercial as it's a public space proving more safety measures should be encountered towards.

  • @colum9911
    @colum9911 Год назад

    Where's the containment? Metal fixings due to premature collapse in a fire?

  • @imark7777777
    @imark7777777 Год назад

    That's a data Mass. The cables that are secured are the ones that are actually properly done. Unfortunately it's data so there's no regulations like safety involved. until you get to a point and there's so many cables unsupported that are taking your ceiling down.

  • @SeanBZA
    @SeanBZA Год назад +2

    Slotted plastic cable trays are a real need there. All those network cables have length markings printed on them, so figuring out how long is easy. Time to chop out the old dead ones, and make a big pile for that scrap cable pile, and then put all new in conduit. But if you think that is bad do not see alarm installers, who seem to think that slack is evil, and cut every cable to exact length, and run point to point, even if the attic looks like a spider web of white alarm cables......

    • @andrewjameson5918
      @andrewjameson5918 Год назад

      I think the existing installation was done on the cheap.

  • @dsmale7067
    @dsmale7067 Год назад +4

    Yep looks normal for commercial

  • @thomasnoonan4171
    @thomasnoonan4171 Год назад +1

    Nick as a structured cabling tech that hurts inside to see this , it's a rats nest . Wish I could have been involved in that looming all them up on basket. I'll try send u some work on your email on how we do it . Top video as always keep um up

  • @Subzero2151
    @Subzero2151 Год назад +1

    Damn i thought some house work was rough, this is brutal !!

  • @williamarmstrong7199
    @williamarmstrong7199 Год назад +2

    Why do data like that? I would fit maybe 3 or 4 10GB data cables between switches then 1GB cables from each switch close to the data conection point or camera. That way you only run a few cables. No one qualified in the last 20 years, has used that method of arcitecture

    • @Extragonk
      @Extragonk Год назад +1

      Hm, I dunno, all same floor linking back to the central core rather than duplicating distribution switches per room, the first is cheaper in replaceable kit, I don't often see distribution switches put in deliberately if the lengths are this short

    • @alouisschafer7212
      @alouisschafer7212 Год назад

      yes id do all 1G and just link them up to switches to then come off that with a 10G to the center
      Would save a lot of cable.

    • @spewmister
      @spewmister Год назад

      Nice job, I probably would have used a different colour cable for the cameras

    • @OldLordSpeedy
      @OldLordSpeedy Год назад +3

      Young boy, the cheapest are not the real switches with VLAN and other services and the power connector. The cheapest are *the cable* ! It can be 100 meter every segment without problem. BTW: Do you not want have really three or four "expensive" switche how you "should" administration - if one enough!

    • @OldLordSpeedy
      @OldLordSpeedy Год назад +2

      @@spewmister Why? The colour in the cable not make the signal faster.

  • @keithcampbell7214
    @keithcampbell7214 Год назад +1

    Spaghetti junction, what a joke .

  • @blokey5160
    @blokey5160 Год назад

    Wouldn't a couple of network switches reduce the number of long cable runs although more expensive than cable? I did some rewiring of lighting circuits in a commercial building previously used as a telephone call centre and the dropped ceiling was similar to that full of old telephone cables! This is in Canada though!

  • @stevejacklin8462
    @stevejacklin8462 Год назад

    Not a commercial job. More like IT dept trying to do stuff themselves on the cheap.

  • @ianbird6997
    @ianbird6997 Год назад

    Yeah done cabling jobs before and it sometimes is the case if people are lazy. I would fire clip some of it or try and get it off the ceiling. Surprising how much cable you use 😂👍
    My labeller does that if the battery’s start getting low.

  • @Longeno55
    @Longeno55 Год назад

    Adam pulled rank and Nickolas in up in the loft. Funny! 🤣

  • @johnflower8648
    @johnflower8648 Год назад +1

    Why waste money on expensive labels when a flag ty-rap will do.

  • @fredwardofalconist4th454
    @fredwardofalconist4th454 Год назад +2

    Should have looked in the ceiling before you started 🤣🤣🤣 can of worms 🪱

  • @waynesharp1690
    @waynesharp1690 Год назад

    Some banding on the trussed rafters I think 👌

  • @steveounsley7134
    @steveounsley7134 Год назад +1

    I should know but are you with napit or nicis just wondering who to go with?

  • @craigthomson4481
    @craigthomson4481 Год назад

    Why not number drawing 1 to whatever you needed and does cat6 cable meet the fire regs?

  • @supermarket666
    @supermarket666 Год назад

    Hager Klik 6A lighting distribution system plug and socket (Kliks)
    Regards Brother printer I have the same 550w and it fades if battery is getting low and if very cold overnight and left in the van
    Ps Nick and Co Great content you put alot of us sparks to shame

  • @cjkokay
    @cjkokay Год назад

    Cable wrap mode is the better choice for labels.
    Yes wayyyy to common for lazy wiring. Remember you need to maintain segregation of wiring systems.

  • @marksmith-ew7ir
    @marksmith-ew7ir Год назад +1

    Good work done by all
    Will be nice to see most of old cat cables not in place less of a rats nest lol 😁

  • @lukewallace8116
    @lukewallace8116 Год назад

    Commercial normally tray from what I’ve seen

  • @Zelahb2930
    @Zelahb2930 Год назад

    Standard shit. You wanna poke your head above a Sainsbury's ceiling. Jb's galore

  • @anthonybragg
    @anthonybragg Год назад

    Looks like shop fitting to me

  • @travisbro
    @travisbro Год назад

    where’d you get them gloves from?

  • @Tomahertz
    @Tomahertz 4 месяца назад

    Electrical wiring in Ohio be like:

  • @Longeno55
    @Longeno55 Год назад

    It looks like a challenging job for sure, but you tough lads can handle it!
    Are we going to meet your dear brother?
    Take care now!

  • @nickbea3443
    @nickbea3443 Год назад

    Looks like load of IT guy weekend specials cause the boss doesn't want to spend any money

  • @davercs
    @davercs Год назад +2

    Omg who ever run them data cables needs to get out the Job that's beyond a joke

  • @rod9311
    @rod9311 Год назад

    data, not exciting!

    • @Extragonk
      @Extragonk Год назад

      Data done well looks great, but it doesn't kill anyone when done badly, thus it's mostly a mess

  • @tomlowe4156
    @tomlowe4156 Год назад +1

    Buuuuttt…. Everyone who works on domestic are rough… don’t care about regs.. all about speed…this being said I think the data boys drag most commercial installations down…

  • @Howt-ooo
    @Howt-ooo Год назад

    All these cables just to watch porn in 4k

  • @Extragonk
    @Extragonk Год назад

    Aye, evolution, successive tenants botching on top of the previous and landlords that don't care, they get paid regardless.

  • @BrianSmith-ow9gy
    @BrianSmith-ow9gy Год назад +2

    Would dado rail trunking be too expensive? Or wireless connectivity? Seems to me the building owners have gone off half cock and not thought it through. Removing or destroying the integrity of fire breaks in the roof space has got to be a bad move surely?
    There is a well known business school case study which looks at a factory/stores example. Over the years - many years - as the business grew and changed, the owners would fit out an area with storage racks and they did this on piecemeal basis. One year, a young auditor asked about the shelving holding the parts, finished goods and other stocks, what its replacement cost was etc. That opened up an enormous can of worms because there was, until he asked about it, no mention of the storage system value in the accounts. It had all been expensed and none of it capitalised. When the owners were shown what they should put into the accounts for its replacement, they were shocked to see it was into the 100s of £thousands. Always think of the future.

  • @jonesconrad1
    @jonesconrad1 Год назад

    very common

  • @doctordoomsnipes
    @doctordoomsnipes Год назад

    is ben your new apprentice or is he doing work experience?

  • @Jay369
    @Jay369 Год назад

    The furious four

  • @hond654
    @hond654 Год назад +1

    Remove all and start from scratch....No time to solve the riddle :D

  • @keithduthie
    @keithduthie Год назад

    Just be very glad you're not Fat Sam.

  • @dominicmeehan3250
    @dominicmeehan3250 Год назад

    Give me a shout if you ever need a hand with data Nick, I’m based just down the road in Derby

  • @ianmiller3182
    @ianmiller3182 Год назад

    Start again with a form of proper cable management. Quite common for data boys and girls.

  • @StuartAllan13
    @StuartAllan13 Год назад

    Is that external cat 6 your running ? at my work we are told were not allowed to run that inside due to the toxic fumes it lets off if there was to be a fire . not sure if there's any truth in that tho lol

    • @OldLordSpeedy
      @OldLordSpeedy Год назад +1

      No, this is not for laughing. True all plastic and all fire are bad for the human body. Of course do you can buy cable how is "self go-out" if you put fire on it. This have do nothing with the colour outside the plastic. He can buy in normal shops only this type of cable. Do not spray at RUclips wrong information!

  • @kyester123
    @kyester123 Год назад

    Damn

  • @electrical_installer.
    @electrical_installer. Год назад

    👏👏

  • @alphamegansw
    @alphamegansw Год назад

    Nice and cushy..last job in a supermarket was 23kms of Cat6a ( krone riser cable ( heavier ) cable , 500 flouros etc dodgy Cieling ( mainly kirders to wak on and noting to hold … could not pt planks down due cable loosely run onto of the girders…..

  • @derekgoodwin6646
    @derekgoodwin6646 Год назад

    Welcome to the world of commercial work this is the norm .