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Disney is RUINING Culture | EFAP Highlight
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- Опубликовано: 27 май 2024
- The gang takes a look at Wisecrack's video talking about how Disney has ruined classic stories such as Snow White and the Seven Dwarves and Pinocchio, and discuss his flawed arguments.
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Walt himself makes his own version of fairytales that have actual happy endings: "He's evil and manipulating the culture!!"
Modern Disney outright says they're putting agenda into their product to manipulate and change culture: "Nah it'll be fine."
That last bit was read in my mind with the Critical Drinker's voice and it felt really fitting. Can't be 100% sure if you intended that, but I share this on the off chance that you didn't. :)
Ironically modern Disney did subvert and bastardise the meaning behind the original Pinocchio with the remake.
Yeah, that was shit. Making Pinocchio someone who never does anything wrong or that he's justified really ruined the real message
Ah, yes. I remember this video. Unironically, I remember one of my fellow classmates had used a Wisecrack video as a source in one of their essays. Needless to say, I didn't really consider that classmate as hard-working or the brightest monkey in the meadow.
Wisecrack used to make really good videos, but that was a very long time ago.
That classmate probably went really far in the humanities tho. Got the firmware installed.
I don't think any of those monkeys are very bright if they're in a meadow, they need trees! To escape predators and pick fruit and such.
To give them the benefit of the doubt, I’d site random related videos because we needed to have so many citations and I wanted to be done with the assignment. Knew teachers wouldn’t bother watching nor could they really know if it is truly good unless they took the time. Probably doesn’t work as you go higher in academics, but certainly does for remedials
@patricksnoring4739
If that professor allowed it, he or she robbed you of a proper education.
Having read the actual book Pinocchio, the paragraph at 12:45 is the middle of the book, not the ending. It's the end of one part of Pinocchio's life, but not the entire story. It's a moment with Honest Jon and Gideon tricking Pinocchio into burying gold coins so a gold coin tree will sprout. They hang him from another tree nearby while he's asleep, if I'm remembering correctly.
It's a symbolic moment, where Pinocchio's innocence is killed, and he learns not to just trust strangers... and then immediately decides the Blue Fairy is his big sister, like five minutes later... because Jiminy Cricket (or the analogue that becomes Jiminy) lives with her and vouches for him.
So they cut out context to help with their shitty argument? Wisecrack wouldn't do that. They wouldn't just carve out information that damages their own poorly thought out argument right?
@@JiJ1511 Maybe Wisecrack be cracking wise
I was about to mention this. Though to add more context to this, Carlo had a DBZ moment with his editors, where they had to make him further the story at the last minute so kids don't get the wrong idea.
This story was written as a series for some publication, if i recall, so you were kinda left with a cliffhanger to pinocchio's near death situation. Kinda weird that Wisecrack didn't include this as it would make for a more interesting video .
Yeah, I just hit that part of the video and this immediately came to mind. It's the exact sort of manipulation and active lying about the original story he accuses Disney of having done.
The actual ending of the story does have one dark aspect to it, but is otherwise largely the same degree of wholesome, with Pinocchio becoming a real boy and living with Gepetto.
Candlewick, the friend who led him astray towards the Toy Kingdom? He is still a donkey, and is owned by the farmer Pinocchio works for.
Oh, and he's fucking dying of sickness or something.
Amazing.
Wisecrack did say that the hanging was the original ending that the readers hated, so the author changed it.
So Wisecrack proves himself wrong if the audience hated the original ending
I feel like the main thing people seem to forget about these eastern european tales is that they were dark because of the culture they were in. The average person in places like Germany or slovakia or in the balkans, were farmers that were knee deep in dark forests, in harsh winters, facing deadly animals in the daytime and night. You had to have a sense of hardiness to you because without it, you die before you even say your first word. Compared to when disney made Pinocchio where everyone already dealt with 2 world wars and the collapse of many nations and people. Where he wanted to give people hope in a world where things were already bleak
You seem pretty clueless. Pinocchio was made in Italy in 1883. Hardly the conditions you described which I wouldn't consider accurate even for the medieval period.
What was that was
Eastern European. Germany. Eastern European. Germany. EASTERN EUROPEAN. GERMANY. E A S T E A R N E U R O P E A N. G E R M A N Y.
The thing is J R R Tolkien hated Walt Disney for close to the reason of replacing the og fairy tale versions with his own in the public eye.
As rags would say Why do I care what a dead British thot? 😂
No really tho…idc. The man wasn’t a god by any means like everyone likes to pretend. He was just a man. He wrote a neat story. Very cool. Does that make him an authority on anything else? No. No it does not. He had a long history of disliking anyone’s works but his own. This was the man who thought dune was poorly written. His opinions on these matters are less than useless.
JRR Tolkien at least made legitimate and well-reasoned arguments about the need to preserve myths and narratives that undergird culture, lest those stories be lost forever. That perspective was deeply informed by his research as a professor of Old English literature, which has notoriously few complete and extant works pecisely because so few people cared to preserve those stories over the centuries. Neither Tolkien nor Walt Disney are wrong in their perspectives; they just have different priorities.
Wisecrack, however, acts/argues in bad faith, and his only perspective seems to be a self-aggrandizing "I'm going to tell you that this thing you like isn't what you thought it was, and you're gonna have to reevaluate all of your preferences because of *me* "
@@the_absurd_heroTolkien was principled while the youtuber was looking to bait clicks. Go figure.
The irony being that WiseCrack probably gets mad at people for pointing out changes made to Tolkien's work in RoP.
To go along with everyone in this thread, Tolkiens concern seems more out of historical preservation (especially since he resents the destruction of stories from pre-Roman Britain), whereas John Wisecrack seems to just be pretentiously arguing his edgy children stories are the only ones allowed to be told.
The Pinoccio take is not just braindead, it's intentionally decieving to fit the narrative. Not saying that Rags is wrong for not giving a fuck about a long dead italian - that's perfectly fair - but even that italian is horrybly misrepresented here. It's not about body horror and elaborate torture and bad consequences, it's about basically the same as the cartoon, only in the fairytale it takes a lot of boring hard labour in addition to the fits of bravery and self sacrifice to get that same happy end. Which is a good message, and that by no means makes Disney version a bad one, just shortened due to limitations of the geanre.
This video is a poor example of it but I definitely agree that nowadays modern Disney is ravaging our culture and they’ve stagnated hard
Og Disney bastardized culture too
I don't know if you can say they are ravaging culture, more like raiding it for profit. They look for the sweet spots in the collective culture and dig in. I don't know what example would show something ravaging a culture, sure we can see trends breeding less culturally enriching outcomes and leaving the market with poorer norms (so many people in media trying to copy Marvel's writing), but I can't say it's really anyone's fault.
The Sludge must flow.
The video actually does a pretty good job of addressing the underlying issue of consciously retelling cautionary folktales. He just goes a bit overboard with his own agenda.
That Pocahontas comment from Gundam is interesting because it's one of those accounts where her history is half written and half oral, and that rape claim is word of mouth. It doesn't necessarily discredit the claim, but it can basically be in a pool of other oral accounts that may be lost in translation or could be mixing up what the written accounts have, where she was actually abducted and taken to Europe as this celebrity (which isn't a great idea if you're a Native who isn't accustomed to the different germ atmosphere of Europe).
What is also interesting about Pocahontas is that she is a real person, unlike Pinocchio. Wisecrack could use that as a vessel for whitewashing history (which could be argued as ruining culture, as opposed to brutalizing a puppet for his mistakes); however, i assume their producers just read the original release of Pinocchio and thought it'd make an easy video. Also claiming that not showing any "unconsenting" is ruining our culture would not go over well with almost any audience
@nuclearchezburgr3857 that's really true, honestly. Now the biggest flaw from that video is the missing context of the original pinocchio story, where Carlo did add a happy ending to the story (since his story was published in chapters in a kids magazine at the time), so Wisecrack didn't put a lot of research into the video itself, and basically came into a conclusion that was way far off than expected.
While I love the original Pinocchio, the Disney version still managed to be faithful with the original message: be good or you'll face consequences of your actions (both for punishment or from those who wants to abuse naive kids)
The same goes with the other movies that Disney made before 2010, they kept (more or less) the lesson from the original fairy tale. An example is Mulan, the original was tragic but the lesson was that intelligence count more than muscles and the same lesson was in the animated version.
Both Pinocchio and Mulan were screwed up in the remakes because not only they have nothing to do with the original, but they also thrown the lesson out of the window
Idk if i would say that Intelligence > Muscle in 1998 Mulan. I think its more of a lesson that anyone can rise to challenges with conviction and teamwork.
Its true that Mulan is intelligent throughout, but she would've failed in her story if not for the camraderie of her fellow soldiers. She would've fallen off that mountain after wiping out the Huns after all! Which is lost on the 2020 Mulan, of course (which I daresay is ruining culture).
Interestingly, the Ballad of Mulan doesn't have the soldiers find out Mulan is a woman until years later. Its a starkly different tale, but the message is pretty similar.
You can tell a female rabbit and male rabbit apart when looking at them head-on, but its impossible to tell when running side-by-side.
Original Mulan Poem: "Running side by side, how can they tell which rabbit is the male, and which is the female."
Retarded Live Action Remake: "I shaw two rabbats running side ba side, I thwank wan wah a male and wah was a female."
I used to love wisecrack until they unironically took a better help sponsor and deleted all the comments calling them out
Therapy is worthless
Sometimes the big corporation isn’t evil.
Sometimes the big corporation is the underdog.
Sometimes the big corporation is the hero of the story.
Not often, but sometimes.
I wouldn't say they were the underdog here, but I mean, the rest is pretty accurate.
When is the big corporation ever the underdog?
@@johnochiltree1170 If it is against government, another big corp, or culture - I would say Musk twitter corrections could be an example.
@@johnochiltree1170 When fighting a national or multinational government.
@@johnochiltree1170when theres an even bigger corporation
That being said, if there were a separate set of animated, book-accurate adaptations of these fairy tales then I'd definitely be down to watch them.
@WhenDidRUclipsAddThisFeature
Nothing is stopping anyone from making them...
I've replied to a few of Wisecrack's videos, and this kind of behavior is very much the norm for him. He is very manipulative with his language and eager to point out undertones in everything he sees. He's done it with Harry Potter, How the Grinch Stole Christmas, One Piece, and on and on.
This take from him is, honestly, something I expect. I'm glad EFAP got to respond to this. Haha. Great work.
Haha I'm actually here from a recommended video on YOUR response to Wisecrack.
Yeah unfortunately this seems par for the course for that channel
Wisecrack seems to believe that any tactic to discredit your opponent is fine as long as you are on the "right" side.
So the problem with Disney is that they've popularized doing different things with public domain works?
Do you think you will be allowed to make any version of those? Or will the army of copywrite lawyers come down on you?
@@morganseppy5180 There's an entire industry built around doing a public domain movie at the same time Disney is doing one and you have to get pretty blatant about ripping them off before they can do anything. But regardless the problem with Disney is that they've done so much to limit the public domain not that they've popularized drawing from it.
@@ShadowRulah yes, that's my point
The problem is that they took originally dark and brutal material and sanitized it for children. That's incredibly insulting to both those stories and to children.
It's weird to take this route for fairy tales, which are notorious for having multiple versions and alterations made by parents or whoever
these same guys are upset that the little mermaid or snow white get changed AT ALL. all of these dorks have made a video complaining about Disney changing stories... then make a video criticising people for complaining about disney........ these dudes are gay and lame
There's a difference between a culture taking these stories and switching them around for their own culture, and Disney turning these stories into slop for the lowest common denominator.
Actually Rags, The Once and Future King was written by T.H. White and is based on Le Morte D'Arthur by Sir Thomas Malory. I know you know this but I want everyone else to know I know this too.
Why Wisecrack insist on depicting Walt Disney Co as a media giant? When they were producing Pinocchio, the studio was a rather small one compared to the other Hollywood giants and they probably were barely getting by.
@alidaraie
They WERE barely getting by. Pinochio and Fantasia were massively expensive productions that bombed in their original releases. Why do you think cheaper productions like Dumbo and the package films followed throughout the 1940s?
@@bigboi5545 Interesting. Thanks for the historical context
Yeah I think a lot of people don't get is that Disney was nearly bankrupted several times, and wasn't really a profitable company until after Disneyland opened. Disney had a lot of hits, but they had a lot of misses as well. One of my favorite quotes to explain this was by Ollie Johnston, one of Disney's animators back in the Golden Era of Disney animation who said, "Cinderella made the studio a million dollars, Alice in Wonderland lost the studio a million dollars."
@@bigboi5545
(Universal Plugs In the Computer)
(Beeping Message)
Disney: Huh?
(Disney Runs And Looks On The Computer)
(Message From Universal Pictures)
Universal Pictures: ha ha ha look what I got Disney 😄😃👈
Disney: WHAT?! 😨
(Universal Pictures Laughing At Disney)
Universal Pictures: Ha Ha Ha that’s right the Nimona movie She Won At The Oscar Awards you want it come and get it evil rodent. 😂😃😠
Disney: NO! 😡🔥
(Universal Pictures Unplugs The Computer And Laughing)
Universal Pictures: Ha Ha 😈
(Universal Grabs The Computer and Runs to Find A Hiding Place)
(Disney Opens The Door Downstairs)
Disney: Universal Pictures? Universal Pictures? 😡
Universal Pictures: 😃
(Universal Pictures Jumpscares Disney and Jumps On Him)
Universal: (ROARS) 😡
Disney: LET GO! LET GO! 😡
How does any of this change the fact that these fairytales were neutered both on screen and in public consciousness for nearly a century? Disney did irrevocable damage to these stories. Tolkien was completely right to hate them.
The story of Pinocchio didn't end with him being hanged. That was when the writer took a hiatus. He then came back to write an ending happier than the Disney version. He was a puppet so he couldn't be hanged then he saved his father from the whale. Then they came back to their house where he worked at weaving reed baskets to earn himself and geppetto some money until he heard that the fairy was quite sick. So he took from the money that was meant to buy himself new clothes. And sent it to her to buy medicine. The next morning he looked in the mirror to see a blue eyed brown haired boy looking back at him.
21:46 so THAT's where that GDELB linecomes from! Lol.
HAIL WOLF, LEADER OF THE HIGHLIGHTS CLAN
Hearing Gundam making all these Neverland Ranch jones about child abduction really shocks me. This video aged really poorly. We have Epstein jokes for that now, which are way better
it's actually absurd when you remember this guy is woke af, so you wouldn't expect him to not only insult disney in this way but say old school Pinocchio was based af and basically say they pussified it lol
Scrooge McDuck must be protected at all costs.
Nothing can harm him. He is too dense to be destroyed.
Literally the worst example the duck spends his fortune to try to find his family member in the latest version
Scrooge McDuck is as rich as he is because of his Lucky dime... it's a magical item that draws money to him. God, I wish I was joking.
Hating Scrooge McDuck because he is a rich character that's heroic trendy. You also see it with Batman. Which is funny, the same people give war profiteering Ironman a free pass because it is the MCU. MCU Tony Stark is probably the best example of a male Mary Sue that asked his computer to invent time for him. Yet they get mad over the Batman prep time meme and Scrooge McDuck using his wealth to save the day.
@@Se7enBeatleofDoom I agree but I gotta disagree with Tony Stark
Tony literally dies at the end of Endgame I don't see how that's being a mary sue
Also he didn't ask his computer to invest time he asked Friday to run a simulation based on the calculations he did
Love to hear the EFAP crew defending Disney.
Many will agree that Disney is a monstrous bunch of assholes......but nothing unites people more than going against someone that's smug and wrong or being a self righteous without understanding other people's values a re different.....which sums up Wisecrack
Classic Disney
I mean, to be fair. If his point is actually to say that Disney shaved off too much of the edge and morbidity from these childrens fables that it adapts, and that it makes kids soft, I would agree. Just doesn't seem like he makes that point very well. I'd just show that and transpose a comparison of "Disney" adults today vs adults that grew up with more folklore childrens narratives. Adults today definitely are insulated from alot of the harsh realities and rough edges that used to make cultural tales sharp and memorable. Now they all just kind of blend into this homogeneous happily ever after puppies and rainbows messaging.
They briefly talked about Disney not doing proper 2D animation anymore because it's expensive, but I don't really know if that's true. Like sure, animating on 1's (24 frames per second) is expensive, but so is CGI animation too for something like a typical Pixar film. Disney switched to 3D when Princess and the Frog bombed, but the poor success of their animations at a time could be mostly attributed to awful scripts. There is a huge international audience for anime so it's not like kids started hating 2D animation out of the blue. But the suits in charge tend to make the dumbest conclusions possible when something is a financial failure or success.
Yeah I've never agreed with or understood any of Disney's reasoning for not continuing with 2D. I've looked at budgets for both, and 3D honestly doesn't seem any cheaper. They can make things faster, so they can churn out 2-3 3D movies in the time it would take to make one 2D, so that might be a factor. Apparently, last year's Wish film for the 100th anniversary was going to be traditionally animated, but Jennifer Lee (the Studio Head Karen) decided that "2D was too limiting, especially with camera movements" or some such nonsense. I agree with you that it really boils down to scripts more than anything.
@@jaceyking47 The cost saving comes if you can recycle the assets, but they usually remake them in higher fidelity anyway for sequels so I'm not sure if it's a factor.
"The iron fist reign of authority that disney would hold over his products to be as adorable and appealing as possible."
The monster!
The funny thing is that some people keep saying how Disney has changed, but adapting old stories for the "modern audience" is what they do, since their very conception (that's why I hated them before it was cool 😂). The difference, imo, is that in the past they were actually able to understand what (most) contemporary people wanted. Now they seem to think that your average unhinged twitter screamer is representative of the masses...
I will say, that definition of Pop Culture is a little off, I feel. Pop Culture is just s shortened way of saying Popular Culture. To specify it to the young only doesn't seem to fit.
You are correct. the term pop culture is just a shortened way of saying that. Counter culture is then the alternative to what is popular. Its same in music, alternative music is just alternative to pop. It always bothers me when people dont pick up on this very simple concept.
Irrespective of arguments as to whether Disney's retelling of Pinocchio is good/bad or okay/not okay, the film is plenty dark, edgy, intense for a little kid. At least it was for me as a little tot.
Honestly that scene where Lampwick turns into a donkey is one of the most terrifying things ever.
That's nothing compared to the original fairytale. Disney neutered all these stories and shot the bar down for children's media so low, its in the center of the earth.
I dont think people understand the ending of the original Pinocchio.
He never escapes from the fox and cat and they “oak” him.
The whole point of the story is that there is no real escape from your mistakes. No magic cricket will save you, you made your mistake of disobeying your parents and doing sinful acts and thus in the real world, bad things happen to you because of the things you choose to do.
This was a great episode to have Gundam and JLongbone on! 😂
Pinnochio's grimdark ending was something to behold.
I’d love to see a super cut of reading the Cringeotron abilities and Theo losing his mind over them.
Wisecrack's video reminds me of the In Flames song "Your Bedtime Story is Scaring Everyone"
23:14 "Be good, or suffer." That's traditional parenting in a nutshell.🤣😃
There is a reason to not make the adaptation argument
A change can work, a change can not work
But it's critical to see if it works on its own merits
“Pinochino being hanged was just part of for the course..” WOW!
33:00 That's quite a Fruedien slip if there was one, Gundam. lol
Wise crack is literally watchmojo with more steps.
4:14
You ask tolkein and he’d say Disney was in fact ruthless in his persuit of Disneyfing things
21:56 straight to GDELB!
XD
12:12 I grew up in Italy and went to the Pinocchio theme park in Colodi Italy. It’s super cool.
There is way more inyourendbro than I remember when reading/watching this. Admittedly it was last century but it's still pretty full on, although younglings prolly don't understand.
Wisecrack, give me a scathing review of V for Vendetta, which was a reimagining of the Guy Fawkes story. They ruined the original story!
Disney wanted to make things cute and happy for kids and family!
Wisecrack: the savage!!! Ruthless barbarian! How dare they!
Sanitizing and dumbing down stories for the lowest common denominator and children is incredibly insulting to both those stories and to children. Disney has done irrevocable damage by watering down these old fairytales in the public consciousness.
@@HeeHungersForHos Iiii dunno if we’re talking about the same films. Visually speaking a lot of those old films still held a lot of the punch of the originals, sure theres no dismal endings, but they were made in a particularly dismal time in history. Walts desire was to make stories of hope in a time where everything just kinda sucked. Snow white came out 2 years before WW2. Wanting to make something cheery for a depressing time isn’t some cultural vandalism, folks just wanted a reason to be happy during a dreadful period.
Plus a lot of old disney still keeps to elements of its darker roots. Hunchback of notre dame is super dark and stays moderately true to the original story.
I agree current disney has pushed it too far, but the original is pretty harmless in its own right.
@@jsmart6430 They don't have the same punch at all, visually. Even during Walt's time, the studio's output was unbearably schmaltzy with an ugly, soulless; ovely clean aesthetic. Walt demanded everything look "perfect" as he perceived it, which causes the ugly look of films like Snow White where all the line art has been refined to the point of lifelessness. It's too clean and ultimately unengaging.
Disney was only seeing dollar signs, and the quickest way to do that was to take stories that were already in the public domain and dumb them down, then shit it out to mass American audiences. This is exactly the reason why Tolkien absolutely loathed both him and his work.
Pinocchio was kidnapped.
Wisecrack: All expense paid trip
Am I crazy, or did y’all miss the point that the video is calling Walt’s cartoons “twisting classical tales”…and yet modern Disney has done nothing but take classical tales (and their own cartoons) and make them vehicles for gay, trans, anti-male, anti-white, pro-establishment, propaganda?
I remember when Wisecrack was called Thug Notes. Entertaining summaries of books, but not all of them were accurate. The Brothers Karamazov would take an hour for a accurate synopsis.
12:30 WOODWASHED, Wisecrack!
XD
Was this the evil cuteness stream?
I'm all for a grimdark setting, but I pity the man who tries to market it to kids as an business enterprize.
This mindset is only viable if we are to assume that Marx was correct in saying all people act in power plays rather than out of self interest for a conviction that exists outside their carnal desires
Marx was little more than a rabid dog on his best days 🤷♀️
That sort of mindset is why you can never trust a Marxist. Power is all they want in the end.
First time im early for efap highlights
At the end of Tarzan the hunter Clayton gets hung by some vines.
Wisecrack was definitely a bigger fan of old testament over new.
To this day I am sitting here like wondering why they didnt even mention how in the original, Jimminy Cricket dies right away after meeting Pinnochio, Pinnoch kills him 😂 I always thought that was very disturbing when I found out. The bit about the tree was funny but imagine them talking about marketing with Jimminy 😂 "Is he a mass murder psychopath?", well Rags'ssss, he did kill Jimminy 😂
Hi Wolf!
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What Disney did with the Italian guy, I wish Netflix or Warner Brothers would have done with Zack Snyder.
You all really underestimate how much kids can handle. Degrading stories by ripping its fangs out is hardly warranted.
There is a limit, and Disney's Pinocchio is still dark.
@@mohamedbelkacem9889 Not at all compared to the original fairytale.
@@HeeHungersForHos oh yeah, that was weirdly dark.
32:22 Eeeer...
I use Uncle Moneybags from Monopoly as my go to when referring to the random pecunious man
These are the same people who would get pissy at a faithful adaptation of Blood meridian because it's "problematic" and would foster a "toxic culture".
The sugar-coating of cautionary tales absolutely affects culture. Soft times make soft men. Reap what you sow.
In the original Pinocchio story, his dead body was actually used to crucify Jesus.
Gather 'round, ye massives, it's EFAP time
Gundam?!?! On EFAP!! Squeee!❤❤❤❤
Anime Pinocchio based on the dead Italian version when?
I like how they're blathering about how dumb this guy is for ruining the story and one of them pipes up with "bUt PoChAhOnTaS wAs ReeeeeApEd" and the rest of them just completely ignore him.
I’m sorry but what does they think mass media means?
When the title is correct but the reasoning is wrong
Quick, someone correct the dog!
Soooo I think this guy thinks if Disney had released an unembellished version of the Grimm's Tales that it would have been better? Or less nefarious?
I think it would have been less nefarious and better.
I can only pray to meet a man as based as Gundam.
I remember reading a comment saying that Rag wasn't as funny as he thought. I thought it was a harsh thing to say.
But now that I focus on it... He sure does try hard, doesn't he?
Whitewashed? This guy is a professional gaslighter with all this loaded language. Ruthless about cuteness...eyeroll.
12:10 So, even though I am happy and in love with the products that came from the Disney changes of the original stories such as Pinocchio, the sentiment of "I don't care what x intended" seems to be a prevailing edict with today's Disney and Hollywood as a whole. I can't really rationalize myself, but can someone explain why, in layman terms, it was okay to deviate from the source material back then and be praised, but we nowadays groan and bemoan writers who do that exact same thing? I know this sort of sounds like a college s a question, but im legit curious? Is it literally just because stories today are ass? I hope they don't answer it in the rest of the video, lol, or I'll look like an asshole.
Pinocchio was a weird pick. I feel like this is just a trash analysis of both Disney's and Collodi's version.
I actually think the Disney version is way scarier than the original because of sound and editing. For example, the scene where Pinocchio and Lampwick find themselves transforming into asses is largely comedic, even to the characters. But the transformation is a straight-up horror scene in the Disney version. Same thing with their escape from the whale.
It's also wildly misleading to present the hanging as the "original ending." Serials not infrequently changed endings based on reception, and regardless of Collodi's original vision, no published or popularized version of the story ends with the hanging (which actually comes pretty early in the serial/book). Disney didn't rewrite the ending, Collodi did.
It also doesn't at all take into account modifications that need to be made when adapting to a new medium. The original Pinocchio is definitely a far more unlikable brat who is more culpable for his suffering than Disney's Pinocchio. It's not that he wants to be good, but doesn't know how; at the start he doesn't even want to be good, and it's the suffering that he causes himself and those around him that makes him first want to be good, and then finally have the self-control and wisdom to live the right way. But I really don't think you can make a feature-length film with such an unlikable protagonist and be happy when he succeeds at the end. It would just feel rushed and unearned.
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That pop culture nit pick was obnoxious
The classic Disney movies credited the original writers in the opening credits, sometimes on the title card, but mostly right after it. "An Adaptation of the play Peter Pan by Sir James M. Barrie." "An Adaptation of Lewis Carroll's The Adventures of Alice in Wonderland and Through the Looking-Glass." "Lady and the Tramp, From the story by Ward Greene." "Cinderella, from the Original Classic by Charles Perrault." Dumbo: "Based on the book by Helen Aberson and Harold Pearl." Sword in the Stone: "Based on the book by T. H. White." Pinocchio: "From the story by Collodi." The Jungle Book: "Inspired by the Rudyard Kipling 'Mowgli' Stories." Bambi: "From the story by Felix Salten." And it goes on lol. If people are too lazy to seek out the original stories to compare, that's on them.
_Exactly_ Plus it's not like adapting existing material was new. Ballets and operas were frequently based on public domain stories, heck even Shakespeare's works were adaptations for the most part. Disney DID put credit were credit was due.
Side note, I have seen a lot of people argue that Disney was bad for not putting the name of the voice actors in the credits, but Walt Disney didn't even credit himself for the voice of Mickey Mouse, it just wasn't common practice back then. One could argue it should have been, but that was not just a "Disney" thing.
You still say that as if justifies watering down these old stories to be "for kids" and ruining their perception in the public consciousness.
@@jaceyking47 There's a difference between other cultures taking these stories and changing them to fit their own, and Disney watering down these stories, making them toothless and selling them to the lowest common denominator.
@@HeeHungersForHos I wasn't trying to justify anything, just pointing out the lie that Disney never gave credit where credit was due. You don't seem to give people enough credit. If the kids are smart (which most actually are) they will get curious about the original stories and find out for themselves what they were like. I don't think Disney adaptations ruined anything. If anything, they made the original stories more popular and evergreen. I grew up watching Disney movies, and they helped make me a lover of classic literature/folklore.
@@jedibusiness66 These folktales survived for hundreds of years without Disney's involvement. To say that they kept the original works alive is just straight up not true.
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Uh huh, nice surface level take there. Now, who now runs and owns Disney that Walt Disney hated? And what correlations can you find in those members and those in other boards and positions of power across the entire cultural sector of not only the US but the western world as a whole?
I guess it's too much for me to hope that they could let the guy get through one sentence without spending the next 7 minutes scrutinizing every wording choice he made, or spinning off into some bizarre tangent. Mauler's parents must have had a lot of fun raising him as a child.
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They meme about this but Wisecrack is right.
He may be a soyclone with the fashion sense of Poptart, but he's right.
These stories became traditional stories, because they illustrated and offered solutions to sociatial and moral problems.
Take the advice away, and the problem returns.
What solution to society was offered by the "original" Pinnochio that wasn't offered by the cartoon? Hang kids when they're naive...?
The original Pinnochio was a series published in parts, and did NOT end with Pinnochio being hanged since the audience and editors hated it. So the story was continued, included more instances of Pinnochio sinning and suffering, and then ended happily much like the cartoon. The cartoon has the same moral premise as the original, "evil is punished and has consequences, but good may be rewarded", just presented to a younger audience. It still shows Pinnochio suffering horrific consequences - he's enslaved by a Puppet master, thrown in a cage, threatened to be chopped into pieces if he disobeys, is sold AGAIN into slavery under the false premise of paradise, literally undergoes body horror, witnesses the "friend" he's made transform and be sold off to who knows where, finds out his father has endangered his own life because of his sins, is eaten by a whale intentionally to save his father, then literally freaking dies before he is resurrected as a real boy. All things that are horrifying consequences, just not TOO gruesome for an audience of children to see on TV.
We're also dealing with public domain stories, which brings its own set of considerations as opposed to stories with living authors or authors with living families
@@drawingdragon This is a lot of reductionism into strawman and a lot of assumptions on what's "too dark" for children's stories. I'd argue that the OG stories are perfectly fine for kids. Your idea of what's too dark for children seems to come from a lot of sanitized media from the US thanks to soccer moms and the FCC.
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