Forces - we need a new tank. Developers- okay what kind and what are your requirements? Forces - we need a light tank for the hills but it should have tremendous firepower like a heavy. Also it should be light enough to operate in the deserts as well. But it should also have good armour and APS. Developers - How about two tanks with specific specs. Forces - no we need both in One. In short the Army needs a TIGER which is as swift as a LEOPARD. They also need a LUCHS that can fight an IS. Unrealistic expectations.
Its the same with Chandigarh Lobby During Rifle development they kept on changing goalposts Asking for multiple calibre weapons Because if domestic development picks up There will be no kickbacks
MTU is a large engine manufacturer. The engine selected 20 years back will never meet the current eu norms and hence the same problem. No quantity cannot produce.Yes you can get a modernized version of the required power but that is a new project.
Your next podcast ...'after 20 years'.... will be - 'humne engine to bana liya lekin transmission nahi bana paye' .... this where you are going to say 'there is a company called - RENK / Allison / SNT Dynamics'.... I expected a deeper analysis from this podcast. (BTW ....DATRAN is by BEML, a 1500 HP .... but it still has to go through NATO 400 hrs endurance test.... obviously we don't have the facility to do that test (that podcast will come after 40 years when we would have made engine + transmission indigenously).....and also BTW (MTU is German but now owned by Rolls Royce....)...... Engine building needs a bla bla bla skills and wagera wagera *@#*@%$(#%)@#%)%# (PS: MTU developed its MT 883 Series (the best land def engine) with an R&D of 60 years reaching a per cylinder output of 165 HP).. I am only hopeful of India... because at least we have started realizing the importance of pareto's 20 (Engine + Transmission + electronics). This podcast is may be an opening remarks to a huge huge corpus of brainstorming required. I've seen most of this def conversations are about procurments, politcs surrounding it and the general mismanagement of classic user vs DA debates on GSQR/PSQR..... same applies for the podcast on Tejas.... (waha no body is talking about single crystal and high strenght alloy.. usko kaha se layenge). Nonetheless.... good attempt.
What’s the issue with Indian engine manufacturers ? Why can’t the kirloskars, Tatas , Mahendra’s build a tank engine . It’s bloody shameful that we still need to look outside for all kinds of engines for military use . Even for drone engines we seem to be falling short ! Indian engine manufacturers have never taken the initiative to build licenses for OEM . As a marine engineer by profession, besides the standard European licensees for Swiss or Danish marine diesel engines, there were South Korean Japanese, Chinese , Vietnamese licensees but never an Indian license . In fact there are only a handful of reputed marine engine refurbishment workshops available in Indian Ports and most ship owners of vessels trading w/wide do not plan any major engine repairs at Indian ports due to the lack of engine repair facility which is truly shameful as this is the status even today . Repairs are planned far east or Persian gulf region instead . Fail to understand when we can get rid of this albatross hanging around our necks and start with developing modern engines that are either hybrid , duel fuel in nature operating with alternate fuels like ammonia & hydrogen !
@@sugatoroy1254 , No Indian private manufacturer has ever designed a large displacement engine. Low R&D spending in India, both private and public. Private players won't invest without clear incentives.
If DRDO cannot even design and produce a good quality battle tank in so mamy years, what exactly is the point of their existence??? Why does that organization exist?🤔🤔🤔🤔
ITS not like that, the Army kept changing the requirements of the tanks ever since the program begun in the 1970s, they wanted a 105mm Gun then they asked for a 120mm Rifled gun, which kept delaying the project, when u increase the caliber of a gun the weight increases and the tank needs a bigger engine, bigger engine means the tank size need to be made bigger, which delays the project, what i think is the Currupt Beuro and army officails try to butcher this process of designing and making defence equipment in our country itself, beacuse of External interferance in our country, Forigen countrys who want to sell their equipment in India cant sell if we make our own stuff, Same case is with the Tejas, it was desgined to replace the Mig21s and if u check the size of a Mig21 its a short range light Intercepter Fighter, thus DRDO ADA HAL developed a Single engine Light Fighter, and the Airforce objected to it being a single engine fighter, this keeps going on and on, never ending....... India Bought the 3rd class Soviet Shit T72s in 1000s of numbers , which has a reverse speed of 4kms and same with T90s , its just a horrible tank when comapred to Leopard 2a4, 5,6,7 u name it, This T-14 which Indian Army wanted to buy is much better then T90s and only thing we have to see is will the T14 be only good on Paper like the Su57 ?
The Arjun was a better design than the T90 and it was a good quality tank but the design was not finished because the army kept on piling on requirements that they should have known were impossible. This tactic of specifying to exclude a tenderer is one that is quite often by corrupt officials to rig a tender to suit one participant, so I think that it is quite likely that corruption was involved, particularly in view of the army trying to sabotage the trials of the Arjun against the T90. If I remember correctly, the Arjun design was so good that it beat the T90 in every parameter in trials against the T90. The army tried to sabotage the Arjun tanks taking part in the trials when the Arjun looked like it would deliver. No investigation was carried out - who knows maybe top politicians were also involved in kickbacks and were able to block this. The army then decided to buy the T90 anyway despite the fact that it lost on all the test parameters. Their excuse was that it was too heavy for Indian army use in the Himalayas, and that the tank dimensions were too big, which is valid. The question is who specified the requirements? The answer the Indian Army, it got what it specified - a 4 man Main Battle Tank with western level of armour protection, .120mm gun, high mobility, low and low profile. That requirements meant that the Arjun turned out to be the same dimensions and weight as contemporary western tanks - that is a consequence of the laws of physics. The question is why didn't the army didn't make their objections earlier? Didn't they see the dimensions earlier? Didn't they understand that a 4 man tank needs to be bigger than a 3 man tank with an autoloader like the T90, and would therefore weigh more? Did they know how much the Leopard 2 and T90 weigh? As far as I am concerned the entire blame should go to the army, What I see is the following: The army was asked to specify the tank. The army is not particularly known for their intellectual intelligence, and the task was assigned to somebody who was particularly challenged in this respect. What do you do if you do not know anything about technical specifications, tank gun, loader, and armour technology? The answer is you crib an existing specification. So this army specifier copied the specification for the Leopard 2 and submitted that as the army requirement. The CVDRE duly designed a tank to meet the army specification, and since the specification was for the Leopard 2, the tank turned out to be an Indian clone of the Leopard 2, with the same dimensions, weight and armour protection as the Leopard 2. The army realised that their original specification was not what they required, but were too embarrassed to tell CVRDE they had cocked up, so they kept the original specification but placed additional requirements that the weight should be limited to not more than the T90, and additional equipment on top of that - requirements that were physically impossible to meet, and forced CVDRE go round and round to try to achieve the least non-comformant approximation they could to an impossible requirement and wasted a lot of time and money in the process. This is one disadvantage a public sector contractor like CVDRE has which the private sector does not have: when you have an idiot like the incompetent face saving army specifier, a public sector company like CVDRE is forced to go along with it, where any private sector company would politely refuse to tender for a ridiculous specification, and is then is forced to bear the blame for it. What is particularly worrying about this problem, is that it the army which is clearly lacking in basic technical competence is being asked to manage a similar project for the future tank requirement. If the army does not employ qualified engineers and project management from CVDRE/DRDO/Private Sector to prepare the specifications, assess feasibility, timelines, and to do proper project management, I fear we may have a similar fiasco with the future tank.
to give quota engineering an opportunity/////Engine German, missiles Israeli, electronics Israeli ,, Failed tank Indian...50 years under development still under development....
An active protection system (APS) would be one of the most important systems required for FRCV for hard-kill protection against RPGs & guided missiles or kamikaze drones, China 🇨🇳has GL5, Israel🇮🇱 has a Trophy system & iron fist, Russia 🇷🇺Afganit & Arena or Drozd, South Africa🇿🇦 & Sweden🇸🇪 have the collaboration of LEDS-150, the USA 🇺🇸Iron Curtain & quick kill system & Germany 🇩🇪 the AMAP-ADA( Even Ukraine 🇺🇦have Zaslins). DRDO is working on such a system for T90s but will love it on Zorawarr & FRCV (Karana tank😊) ✌️☮️🕊️🔥🇮🇳
What if FPV drone attacks take an example of Russia - Ukraine war nd then develop these future tanks as even german leopard, American most advanced Abram tanks got blown out with these cheap FPV drones😂😂
@@Political-Me brother, as this APS system is expensive, the majority of the western armoured vehicles don't have them. They use a frugal cage for passive protection, but an Indian designed, non imported, cheaper/value of money {in respect to purchasing power parity (PPP)} system can be deployed in all armoured vehicles universally. ☮️🕊️🔥🚩🇮🇳
@Sansad275 true but the western tanks have higher crew survivor ability compared to the russian tanks, so then u will still have experienced crew that can use replaceable tanks compared to having to train a new tank crew
Instead of tanks, India should spend billions of dollars on millions of small suicide drones that are directly controlled by forward army infantrymen. Ukraine, Armenia wars have proved that tanks are sitting ducks against small drones.
Amazing 😊.... Keep it up sir... I really want to you all to breakdown the Russia - Ukraine conlfict. Also I feel you were talking about Maj. Gen. Vikram Dogra from armoured core.
The issue with army & the DRDO regarding the Arjun tank seems a repeat incident with several other projects including the army & the Air Force . The root cause for issues cropping up later during / post production highlights poor insight, lack of clarity in the thought process and poor / ineffective communication protocol set up from the very early stage of the project planning including the stage when drafting the production contract and right through the production milestones . Since these projects involve prototypes and include heavy customisation to suit very specific functions, there should have been a thorough joint feasibility study carried out by all stake holders basis the complete scope of the project in hand allowing for a clear demarcation of stake holder responsibilities with provision for a gap analysis of the process flow in order to remove any bottle necks and grey areas . Unless these basic issues were taken into consideration and implemented during the initial stage of the contract such issues are bound to crop up throughout the project implementation stage . Unfortunately the way these projects have ended up highlights rather poor overview and lack of co ordination between stake holders resulting in sheer wastage of tax payers money . We cannot afford to let these incidents be repeated
Tejas is 50 year old design. But it was keep updating after that. And mk1a is the newest upgrades. And for orders just because of lack of real combat and diplomacy. If it was really garbage IAF wouldn't have inducted it.
@@navneetmishra5181 why countries prefer JF17, Korean Jet or Saab Gripen if it was so good fighter.... No international customers... IAF had yo purchase because you have forced them to purchase
Realistically, given that India can't have its first squadron of AMCA ready till 2038 or 2040, do we have a need to buy new 4.5 or 5th Gen jets for now? Or can India manage with the present inventory for the next 15 years? If not, would you recommend getting more Rafaels or getting something like an F35 for the meanwhile?
We had so far one sarkari servant interacting with a second ( OF , DRDO , Army ) and all had secure pensionable jobs . A private sector supplier in this matrix can make the decisive difference
All the comments to me come from he fact that the army was built around a 40mt self loading 3 man Russian tank and Arjun was a western methodology tank with higher crew protection.
I disagree. My perception is Parrikar rescued Tejas but died before rescuing Arjun. Both Tejas and Arjun are compromises on capabilities but were necessary for learning and capacity building.
Tejas is still best in its class . Way better than all its 4.5 gen contemporaries .. There are ideas we have for Tejas .. but Imported Air force needed the Atmanirbhar Bharat idea to have Tejas shoved their throats.. The stupid air force still does not understand that no forieng power will share 5 th gen fighters with India on a platter .. still crying for foreign ttoys .. The Arjun tank requirements itself wanted huge protection which comes at cost of being heavy .. And Army rejected it saying it's too heavy .. Again foriegn boot lickers are there in all kinds of Babu offices and lobby gang..
Army needs to benchmark a tank that is available. You cannot ask for anything more.Once the spec is frozen.We have to benchmark, catchup,then get ahead.Attemting too much in one go then it is a receipe for disaster.
Why should it take six years to design and produce a new battle tank. It is not a new military item that is being designed. Tanks have existed for over 100 years. It is only an improvement, so this endeavor need not take six years and it should be shortened. The goal should be three years.
I dont think it was DRDO who convinced IAF on capability of Tejas... It was the defense minister manohar parrikar who made sure Tejas is considered for IAF.. If IAF had its way they would have wanted to Dump Tejas and import jets Similarly Army doesn't want Arjun tank and made sure it failed by asking the the design philosophy of tank to be western based ( manual ammunition loading, rifled gun instead of smooth bore gun like T72/T90 etc) while all our tanks are Russian designed based . DRDO is definitely to be blamed by army can't escape its share of the blame. Also see how army is handling ATGS program.. Talk
Forgo some capabilities, reduce the weight of Arjun and manufacture a minimum of 1000 tanks and keep the Arjun project alive some how, quantity has its own quality, other wise during war India will have to beg with foreign countries for tanks and accessories. Learn on the job, improvise, innovate and make better tanks, plz stop the blame game... get going... manufacture indigenous engine join hands with Pvt sector.,, ...Indian public wants and supports Arjun project.
Does everyone think Government should stay away from defense manufacturing and let it be done by private company. Everywhere best defense product made by private and our Government Babus never understand and deliver best weapons.
Bro someone olease tell this un enducated person that Arjun is a main battle tank and frcv is a different tank and we need different platforms to perform in different terrains and we need all of them to come together for our mech inf. Please stop demotivating drdo with half knowledge
im so thankful to you guys finally someone has fucking guts to call this dormant giants out and specially drdo. DRDO Bro are you calling tejas indegenious, really? engine is being imported from outside. like why are we paying you money. are you just assembling everything.
Long live DRDO who always disappoints us with fake promises and zero results and at the end after wasting decades we end up depending on foreign countries for engines 🤦😭🤣
South Korea built up a defense manufacturing export machine - Land, Sea, and Air - in the last 10 years, while DRDO)HAL in business for the last 130 has yet to conceptualize, design, prototype, and produce a single modern weapon that is 100% indigenous. Thank God for the Himalayas, or we would all be speaking Chinese today. Yet the traitorous Neta/Babus responsible for the corruption that allowed these criminal managers to stay off the gallows are free, rich and respected. Disgraceful.
What if FPV drone attacks take an example of Russia - Ukraine war nd then develop these future tanks as even german leopard, American most advanced Abram tanks got blown out with these cheap FPV drones😂😂
Tejas is still best in its class . Way better than all its 4.5 gen contemporaries .. There are ideas we have for Tejas .. but Imported Air force needed the Atmanirbhar Bharat idea to have Tejas shoved their throats.. The stupid air force still does not understand that no forieng power will share 5 th gen fighters with India on a platter .. still crying for foreign ttoys .. The Arjun tank requirements itself wanted huge protection which comes at cost of being heavy .. And Army rejected it saying it's too heavy .. Again foriegn boot lickers are there in all kinds of Babu offices and lobby gang..
What if FPV drone attacks take an example of Russia - Ukraine war nd then develop these future tanks as even german leopard, American most advanced Abram tanks got blown out with these cheap FPV drones😂😂
What if FPV drone attacks take an example of Russia - Ukraine war nd then develop these future tanks as even german leopard, American most advanced Abram tanks got blown out with these cheap FPV drones😂😂
Forces - we need a new tank.
Developers- okay what kind and what are your requirements?
Forces - we need a light tank for the hills but it should have tremendous firepower like a heavy. Also it should be light enough to operate in the deserts as well. But it should also have good armour and APS.
Developers - How about two tanks with specific specs.
Forces - no we need both in One.
In short the Army needs a TIGER which is as swift as a LEOPARD.
They also need a LUCHS that can fight an IS.
Unrealistic expectations.
There should be a dedicated channel for this defence series podcast. This would increase viewership imo.
Y'all have the most fantastic indigenous defense industry I've seen!😮
Its the same with Chandigarh Lobby
During Rifle development they kept on changing goalposts
Asking for multiple calibre weapons
Because if domestic development picks up
There will be no kickbacks
I like how shiv know us so well 😂
MTU is a large engine manufacturer. The engine selected 20 years back will never meet the current eu norms and hence the same problem. No quantity cannot produce.Yes you can get a modernized version of the required power but that is a new project.
Never new eu norms were also enforced on defense engine.
Modu amit rss bajrang still busy with hindooo mandir politics
Your next podcast ...'after 20 years'.... will be - 'humne engine to bana liya lekin transmission nahi bana paye' .... this where you are going to say 'there is a company called - RENK / Allison / SNT Dynamics'.... I expected a deeper analysis from this podcast. (BTW ....DATRAN is by BEML, a 1500 HP .... but it still has to go through NATO 400 hrs endurance test.... obviously we don't have the facility to do that test (that podcast will come after 40 years when we would have made engine + transmission indigenously).....and also BTW (MTU is German but now owned by Rolls Royce....)...... Engine building needs a bla bla bla skills and wagera wagera *@#*@%$(#%)@#%)%# (PS: MTU developed its MT 883 Series (the best land def engine) with an R&D of 60 years reaching a per cylinder output of 165 HP).. I am only hopeful of India... because at least we have started realizing the importance of pareto's 20 (Engine + Transmission + electronics). This podcast is may be an opening remarks to a huge huge corpus of brainstorming required. I've seen most of this def conversations are about procurments, politcs surrounding it and the general mismanagement of classic user vs DA debates on GSQR/PSQR..... same applies for the podcast on Tejas.... (waha no body is talking about single crystal and high strenght alloy.. usko kaha se layenge).
Nonetheless.... good attempt.
Completely agree
What’s the issue with Indian engine manufacturers ? Why can’t the kirloskars, Tatas , Mahendra’s build a tank engine . It’s bloody shameful that we still need to look outside for all kinds of engines for military use . Even for drone engines we seem to be falling short ! Indian engine manufacturers have never taken the initiative to build licenses for OEM . As a marine engineer by profession, besides the standard European licensees for Swiss or Danish marine diesel engines, there were South Korean Japanese, Chinese , Vietnamese licensees but never an Indian license . In fact there are only a handful of reputed marine engine refurbishment workshops available in Indian Ports and most ship owners of vessels trading w/wide do not plan any major engine repairs at Indian ports due to the lack of engine repair facility which is truly shameful as this is the status even today . Repairs are planned far east or Persian gulf region instead . Fail to understand when we can get rid of this albatross hanging around our necks and start with developing modern engines that are either hybrid , duel fuel in nature operating with alternate fuels like ammonia & hydrogen !
@@sugatoroy1254 , No Indian private manufacturer has ever designed a large displacement engine. Low R&D spending in India, both private and public. Private players won't invest without clear incentives.
If DRDO cannot even design and produce a good quality battle tank in so mamy years, what exactly is the point of their existence???
Why does that organization exist?🤔🤔🤔🤔
ITS not like that, the Army kept changing the requirements of the tanks ever since the program begun in the 1970s, they wanted a 105mm Gun then they asked for a 120mm Rifled gun, which kept delaying the project, when u increase the caliber of a gun the weight increases and the tank needs a bigger engine, bigger engine means the tank size need to be made bigger, which delays the project, what i think is the Currupt Beuro and army officails try to butcher this process of designing and making defence equipment in our country itself, beacuse of External interferance in our country, Forigen countrys who want to sell their equipment in India cant sell if we make our own stuff,
Same case is with the Tejas, it was desgined to replace the Mig21s and if u check the size of a Mig21 its a short range light Intercepter Fighter, thus DRDO ADA HAL developed a Single engine Light Fighter, and the Airforce objected to it being a single engine fighter,
this keeps going on and on, never ending.......
India Bought the 3rd class Soviet Shit T72s in 1000s of numbers , which has a reverse speed of 4kms and same with T90s , its just a horrible tank when comapred to Leopard 2a4, 5,6,7 u name it,
This T-14 which Indian Army wanted to buy is much better then T90s and only thing we have to see is will the T14 be only good on Paper like the Su57 ?
The Arjun was a better design than the T90 and it was a good quality tank but the design was not finished because the army kept on piling on requirements that they should have known were impossible. This tactic of specifying to exclude a tenderer is one that is quite often by corrupt officials to rig a tender to suit one participant, so I think that it is quite likely that corruption was involved, particularly in view of the army trying to sabotage the trials of the Arjun against the T90.
If I remember correctly, the Arjun design was so good that it beat the T90 in every parameter in trials against the T90. The army tried to sabotage the Arjun tanks taking part in the trials when the Arjun looked like it would deliver. No investigation was carried out - who knows maybe top politicians were also involved in kickbacks and were able to block this.
The army then decided to buy the T90 anyway despite the fact that it lost on all the test parameters. Their excuse was that it was too heavy for Indian army use in the Himalayas, and that the tank dimensions were too big, which is valid. The question is who specified the requirements? The answer the Indian Army, it got what it specified - a 4 man Main Battle Tank with western level of armour protection, .120mm gun, high mobility, low and low profile. That requirements meant that the Arjun turned out to be the same dimensions and weight as contemporary western tanks - that is a consequence of the laws of physics. The question is why didn't the army didn't make their objections earlier? Didn't they see the dimensions earlier? Didn't they understand that a 4 man tank needs to be bigger than a 3 man tank with an autoloader like the T90, and would therefore weigh more? Did they know how much the Leopard 2 and T90 weigh?
As far as I am concerned the entire blame should go to the army, What I see is the following:
The army was asked to specify the tank. The army is not particularly known for their intellectual intelligence, and the task was assigned to somebody who was particularly challenged in this respect. What do you do if you do not know anything about technical specifications, tank gun, loader, and armour technology? The answer is you crib an existing specification. So this army specifier copied the specification for the Leopard 2 and submitted that as the army requirement. The CVDRE duly designed a tank to meet the army specification, and since the specification was for the Leopard 2, the tank turned out to be an Indian clone of the Leopard 2, with the same dimensions, weight and armour protection as the Leopard 2. The army realised that their original specification was not what they required, but were too embarrassed to tell CVRDE they had cocked up, so they kept the original specification but placed additional requirements that the weight should be limited to not more than the T90, and additional equipment on top of that - requirements that were physically impossible to meet, and forced CVDRE go round and round to try to achieve the least non-comformant approximation they could to an impossible requirement and wasted a lot of time and money in the process. This is one disadvantage a public sector contractor like CVDRE has which the private sector does not have: when you have an idiot like the incompetent face saving army specifier, a public sector company like CVDRE is forced to go along with it, where any private sector company would politely refuse to tender for a ridiculous specification, and is then is forced to bear the blame for it.
What is particularly worrying about this problem, is that it the army which is clearly lacking in basic technical competence is being asked to manage a similar project for the future tank requirement. If the army does not employ qualified engineers and project management from CVDRE/DRDO/Private Sector to prepare the specifications, assess feasibility, timelines, and to do proper project management, I fear we may have a similar fiasco with the future tank.
to give quota engineering an opportunity/////Engine German, missiles Israeli, electronics Israeli ,, Failed tank Indian...50 years under development still under development....
An active protection system (APS) would be one of the most important systems required for FRCV for hard-kill protection against RPGs & guided missiles or kamikaze drones,
China 🇨🇳has GL5, Israel🇮🇱 has a Trophy system & iron fist, Russia 🇷🇺Afganit & Arena or Drozd, South Africa🇿🇦 & Sweden🇸🇪 have the collaboration of LEDS-150, the USA 🇺🇸Iron Curtain & quick kill system & Germany 🇩🇪 the AMAP-ADA( Even Ukraine 🇺🇦have Zaslins).
DRDO is working on such a system for T90s but will love it on Zorawarr & FRCV (Karana tank😊)
✌️☮️🕊️🔥🇮🇳
What if FPV drone attacks take an example of Russia - Ukraine war nd then develop these future tanks as even german leopard, American most advanced Abram tanks got blown out with these cheap FPV drones😂😂
@@Political-Me brother, as this APS system is expensive, the majority of the western armoured vehicles don't have them. They use a frugal cage for passive protection, but an Indian designed, non imported, cheaper/value of money {in respect to purchasing power parity (PPP)} system can be deployed in all armoured vehicles universally. ☮️🕊️🔥🚩🇮🇳
Agree with out APS system its difficult for a tank to survive in this day and age @@dishasen_99
@Sansad275 true but the western tanks have higher crew survivor ability compared to the russian tanks, so then u will still have experienced crew that can use replaceable tanks compared to having to train a new tank crew
Modu amit rss bajrang still busy with hindooo mandir politics
Saw your new submarine, wow! It's not quite an Ohio class boomer but close enough to make your neighbors take notice. Congrats!😮
Instead of tanks, India should spend billions of dollars on millions of small suicide drones that are directly controlled by forward army infantrymen. Ukraine, Armenia wars have proved that tanks are sitting ducks against small drones.
Excellent podcast ❤
Amazing 😊.... Keep it up sir...
I really want to you all to breakdown the Russia - Ukraine conlfict.
Also I feel you were talking about Maj. Gen. Vikram Dogra from armoured core.
The issue with army & the DRDO regarding the Arjun tank seems a repeat incident with several other projects including the army & the Air Force . The root cause for issues cropping up later during / post production highlights poor insight, lack of clarity in the thought process and poor / ineffective communication protocol set up from the very early stage of the project planning including the stage when drafting the production contract and right through the production milestones . Since these projects involve prototypes and include heavy customisation to suit very specific functions, there should have been a thorough joint feasibility study carried out by all stake holders basis the complete scope of the project in hand allowing for a
clear demarcation of stake holder responsibilities with provision for a gap analysis of the process flow in order to remove any bottle necks and grey areas . Unless these basic issues were taken into consideration and implemented during the initial stage of the contract such issues are bound to crop up throughout the project implementation stage . Unfortunately the way these projects have ended up highlights rather poor overview and lack of co ordination between stake holders resulting in sheer wastage of tax payers money . We cannot afford to let these incidents be repeated
I would like to correct Shiv.
Russia did also have a VTOL project. Developed by Yak
Tejas was also 50 year old design, tell me which country will buy Tejas. If it's that good why it's not having international customers.
Tejas is 50 year old design. But it was keep updating after that. And mk1a is the newest upgrades. And for orders just because of lack of real combat and diplomacy. If it was really garbage IAF wouldn't have inducted it.
@@navneetmishra5181 why countries prefer JF17, Korean Jet or Saab Gripen if it was so good fighter.... No international customers... IAF had yo purchase because you have forced them to purchase
Supply chain is always a key issue.
IN army operating weather ☁️🌡️ is -40 +55 ...altitude 3000mts - 6000mts...most difficult forward positions in the world.
Realistically, given that India can't have its first squadron of AMCA ready till 2038 or 2040, do we have a need to buy new 4.5 or 5th Gen jets for now? Or can India manage with the present inventory for the next 15 years? If not, would you recommend getting more Rafaels or getting something like an F35 for the meanwhile?
We had so far one sarkari servant interacting with a second ( OF , DRDO , Army ) and all had secure pensionable jobs .
A private sector supplier in this matrix can make the decisive difference
All the comments to me come from he fact that the army was built around a 40mt self loading 3 man Russian tank and Arjun was a western methodology tank with higher crew protection.
Time to also graduate and do panel discussions once in a while.
I disagree. My perception is Parrikar rescued Tejas but died before rescuing Arjun. Both Tejas and Arjun are compromises on capabilities but were necessary for learning and capacity building.
Tejas is still best in its class .
Way better than all its 4.5 gen contemporaries ..
There are ideas we have for Tejas .. but Imported Air force needed the Atmanirbhar Bharat idea to have Tejas shoved their throats..
The stupid air force still does not understand that no forieng power will share 5 th gen fighters with India on a platter .. still crying for foreign ttoys ..
The Arjun tank requirements itself wanted huge protection which comes at cost of being heavy ..
And Army rejected it saying it's too heavy ..
Again foriegn boot lickers are there in all kinds of Babu offices and lobby gang..
Army needs to benchmark a tank that is available. You cannot ask for anything more.Once the spec is frozen.We have to benchmark, catchup,then get ahead.Attemting too much in one go then it is a receipe for disaster.
Need episode on Tarang Shakti multilateral fighter jet drill
It took America 40 years to get Abrams tank
Then army will do a Stryker on FRCV
Why should it take six years to design and produce a new battle tank. It is not a new military item that is being designed. Tanks have existed for over 100 years. It is only an improvement, so this endeavor need not take six years and it should be shortened. The goal should be three years.
What did india actually built ever with 100% own tech? examples please military wise.
0:25 ".. No matter who you blame.." You must be joking.. It is obvious it is the Army that is to blame.. Army is clearly pampered..
Did you serve the armed forces?
(Un)fortunately No.. But I paid for the Army's upkeep
@@pankajjoshi1209 i wonder who paid for yours....rofl....
@@rss8400 keep wondering.. goodluck.. hopefully it will not put undue stress on your intellect.. Sorry if it does..
@pankajjoshi1209 yours seems overstressed too. Armies need to be pampered to protect you and your intellectual abilities. Good luck to you too 😗 lol
I dont think it was DRDO who convinced IAF on capability of Tejas... It was the defense minister manohar parrikar who made sure Tejas is considered for IAF..
If IAF had its way they would have wanted to Dump Tejas and import jets
Similarly Army doesn't want Arjun tank and made sure it failed by asking the the design philosophy of tank to be western based ( manual ammunition loading, rifled gun instead of smooth bore gun like T72/T90 etc) while all our tanks are Russian designed based . DRDO is definitely to be blamed by army can't escape its share of the blame. Also see how army is handling ATGS program..
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The design and manufacture of high end internal combustion engine is a weak spot in Indian Defence manufacture.
3:30 which podcast ?
Forgo some capabilities, reduce the weight of Arjun and manufacture a minimum of 1000 tanks and keep the Arjun project alive some how, quantity has its own quality, other wise during war India will have to beg with foreign countries for tanks and accessories. Learn on the job, improvise, innovate and make better tanks, plz stop the blame game... get going... manufacture indigenous engine join hands with Pvt sector.,, ...Indian public wants and supports Arjun project.
Nothing will be happened. After few years the programme Will be scrapped like other projects.
pink sadi wali ladkhi kon hai ?
52:04 hell yeah
Border ke upar kuch nahi bolneka🤬
Does everyone think Government should stay away from defense manufacturing and let it be done by private company. Everywhere best defense product made by private and our Government Babus never understand and deliver best weapons.
Bro someone olease tell this un enducated person that Arjun is a main battle tank and frcv is a different tank and we need different platforms to perform in different terrains and we need all of them to come together for our mech inf. Please stop demotivating drdo with half knowledge
Mahindra,tata,force, Ashok Leyland etc... can make engine whyyyyyyyy project given to DRDO.
When will the India embarrassment stop?
discussing about ARJUN tank and not discussing about the chandigardh lobby is farcical
im so thankful to you guys finally someone has fucking guts to call this dormant giants out and specially drdo. DRDO Bro are you calling tejas indegenious, really? engine is being imported from outside. like why are we paying you money. are you just assembling everything.
if it goes to drdo it will b failure
Long live DRDO who always disappoints us with fake promises and zero results and at the end after wasting decades we end up depending on foreign countries for engines 🤦😭🤣
South Korea built up a defense manufacturing export machine - Land, Sea, and Air - in the last 10 years, while DRDO)HAL in business for the last 130 has yet to conceptualize, design, prototype, and produce a single modern weapon that is 100% indigenous. Thank God for the Himalayas, or we would all be speaking Chinese today. Yet the traitorous Neta/Babus responsible for the corruption that allowed these criminal managers to stay off the gallows are free, rich and respected. Disgraceful.
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The tramndus failure project arjun billion lost of very poor indian people's babus of drdo fails that project why they are weeping .
Manipur mai tu kuch hu ni para ha 😂😂 va pe drons or rokets use kre ha ...
What if FPV drone attacks take an example of Russia - Ukraine war nd then develop these future tanks as even german leopard, American most advanced Abram tanks got blown out with these cheap FPV drones😂😂
Tejas is still best in its class .
Way better than all its 4.5 gen contemporaries ..
There are ideas we have for Tejas .. but Imported Air force needed the Atmanirbhar Bharat idea to have Tejas shoved their throats..
The stupid air force still does not understand that no forieng power will share 5 th gen fighters with India on a platter .. still crying for foreign ttoys ..
The Arjun tank requirements itself wanted huge protection which comes at cost of being heavy ..
And Army rejected it saying it's too heavy ..
Again foriegn boot lickers are there in all kinds of Babu offices and lobby gang..
Lol. Tejas is not the best in its class. It's not even close. The Gripen is far more superior. Us drinking our own kool-aid doesn't help us.
@@isuzu343 gripen is medium class fighter plane
@@shubhamnibe4500 it weighs less than the LCA but sure, whatever makes you feel happy.
What if FPV drone attacks take an example of Russia - Ukraine war nd then develop these future tanks as even german leopard, American most advanced Abram tanks got blown out with these cheap FPV drones😂😂
What if FPV drone attacks take an example of Russia - Ukraine war nd then develop these future tanks as even german leopard, American most advanced Abram tanks got blown out with these cheap FPV drones😂😂