Would love to see a winter version of this. I've noticed a big hit to my SR range in the cold. Would be interested to see how the LR impacted in comparison.
Interesting post there, thank you for uploading! I test drove the MG4 yesterday and was very impressed. Your videos are certainly helping make a decision on what model to go for.
Looks about on par with what I'm getting from my LR Trophy version. But I don't keep it at 22C, but 26C, I think there's a 4C delta from what it's actually putting out, the internal temperature as reported by the app and an internal temperature gauge match that, not the '26C' on the HVAC. 22C makes it blow cold air still, quite annoyed with this but once set to 26C, I've not touched it for over 4 months now. I do always chuckle when 'summer' tests like these show a bleak, misty sight and barely any sun :D I guess to the outside world, it might look off but there's something magical about the way everything looks in this weather. Good video as always!
Just last week I was on the motorway with my Zoe. Drove at 110kph which is about 1mph slower than 70mph and managed to drive 180km with 79% battery. I'm really taken aback just how bad my Zoe is compared to your SE SR even though we have similar battery size. Thankfully that piece of junk is going away in a couple of days. Sadly not to the junkyard but to the dealership which is going to sell it to someone else.
Thanks for these vids. I've thought about it a lot and ordered the SE. Most of my driving is town driving - occasionally I'll drive a bit further but then I'd need to plan a stop in either vehicle or charge at the end point for return. So for me, in real world use the better efficiency of the smaller battery SE works for my lifestyle and use case. I would have liked the cameras, but not enough to be a deal breaker. Car's coming in about 4 weeks apparently; really can't wait!
I’m in New Zealand and have had the Essence (similar to the Trophy) for a month now. So was interested to see what range you would get on the motorway. In NZ the Essence has 18” rims (and wider tyres) so I expect the range will be a bit less. So far I’ve only driven it around town / country roads … love it.
Interesting stuff. Thanks. A real-world difference of only about 25 miles range between the two at 10% charge, which is as low as I'd want to take them on a motorway. Just wish they would make a "SE SR +" with more features included as standard. I object to safety features like blind spot detection being left off standard trim levels.
Ive had my SR model for a year also. I don't drive as fast - usually 60-62 mph on dual carriageways for approx 50% of journeys and 50% rural and town driving on eco mode ,the GOM predicts 230-240 miles in summer. Really surprised that the trophy has so little range advantage, the SE SR easily exceeds my bladder range. Its a pity MG UK do not offer the LFP battery on the Trophy like in other markets, I'd buy one.
This is where the sweet spot of the range is the SE LR, which is more efficient than the Trophy because as it doesn't have the extra spoiler which lowers the efficiency.
As usual your videos are very clear and to the point Stuart. You may remember I ordered a mg4 last 31-10-2023 in spain, well still no reply from MG to any email, dealer still said, doesn't know nothing, so we decided to go on holiday to turkey as we were not going to wait any longer, so guess what, we are there 3 weeks and get an email your car is at the docks we will have it here in 2 to 3 weeks in the dealership. So cut short our intended 10 week holiday and book a flight back in time to collect the car. Get back and get an email I have just seen your car it is the wrong colour inside. I will reorder the car for you. Yep, really, no apology, no, i will make sure its priority, in fact nothing. question him and he again doesn't know nothing. why have you got to make a new order , because your order they have sent it wrong, so i need to reorder. So when will it come "no idea". Cannot recommend buying any car from the spanish MG. if this is the treatment before you buy what happens after you buy. Any way they have done me a favour 🤣 as l have test drove some more cars and even the tesla model 3 (didn't before as it was some 10 or 12 000 euros more) and it is such a better car in every way, as since i ordered the MG4 it has come down in price and is now for us only 2000 euros more than our pre MG4 price rise. So we have cancelled the MG4 (at least they didn't argue about giving back our deposit) and have ordered the New refreshed highland model 3. which should be here october/november. Maybe just in time for our planned trip to the UK to visit family etc. So will we come to UK by diesel or electric. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Probably for the best based on your experience Ian. What a shambles. You will be happy with a M3, I’m excited to see the highland M3, please let me know how you get on 👍
@@stuart_thomas Yep we feel we have dodged a bullet, 🤣 And even though we thought the M3 that we test drove was so much better than the MG, worth the 2175 euros more than our pre MG price rise order (mind new Mg orders will be so much closer in price, don't understand how anybody would order the MG trophy with the colour options, unless of course you just hate Tesla for some reason.) But it is clear the new Highland refresh is so much better still, with maybe the exception of the indicators. 🤔 BUT Even though I said it is just 2175 euros more (that for the base pearl white with black interior, which I like and Ana didn't think it looked like a Tomb) but I made the stupid mistake of showing Ana the "Out of Spec" youtube channel look around of the highland M3 at iaat. which was in the new colour Ultra Red with white seats. And she said WOW it looks so much better in that colour with the white seats. There went my just 2 grands more 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Ok, will let you know when we get it.
Hello Stuart. Will going as low as 3% degrade the battery, done regularly, or is there a recommended battery %age that ideally you should not go below? Are the percentage and range reliable unlike conventional cars telling you 50 mile range then a few seconds later 0? Really interesting how close the ranges are, Thank you for a a very informative video.
I get about 15kWh/100km when I have tail wind to up to 28kWh/100km with strong head wind on a trophy (luxury with heatpump) at 80 milles an hour. The drag is proprtional to the square of the AIR speed. You would have to drive both of them at the same time same route to get accurate results. Anyway Trophy is not about the range compared to the standard. It is about the 42kWh that you get at fast chargers in 25 minutes vs. 35 kWh in 40 minutes with the standard. For 1000km jurneys that is very important and adds up quickly.
Great video, I'm getting the standard range in 3 days, so good to know real world. Also, nearly every country in the world uses kilometers, please include next time!
Nice job! Just i need to change to km.. but anyway it's easy.. Daily base, to my job the standard is enough.. The good question, how figure in wintertime, heat pump is good or not...here in Hungary sometimes -5..-15 happen... but anyway I will see.. :-)
nice video How do you know out side temp as mine has disappeared on the SE after my last software update .one step forward 2 steps back as always with MG 🤔
Ive heard mixed messages about how prudent it is to charge an lrp battery to 100% all the time. If you should really charge to 80% like other chemistries it removes a lot of the advantages of the SE for me
It’s hard to calculate range. It depends on so many factors. I like to consider worst case scenario which I think in summer is 270 miles and winter 200 based on 70mph motorway and using appropriate HVAC for each season
Interesting! I just had another look at your 60mph test... approx 170 miles at 7 degrees compared with 70mph, 180 miles at 21 degrees. I'm looking forward to trying my Australian equivalent of your car, Excite 51, our temperature range in tropical Cairns is between 20 and 30+ degrees but our speed limit is 100 kph (60 mph). I'm guessing I'll 320 kms or more. Does anyone in Britain have a tow bar on their MG4? I'd like to try a small camping trailer (motorcycle style). Thanks for your info 😊
Hey Mike, I'm based in Brisbane and looking at the Excite 51, do let me know how you go when you manage to test the range! I saw a video recently where someone down south did a 180km test and based on their consumption estimated about 300km of highway range at just over 100kph.
I’m not sure if you are aware but you are commiting a driving offence which is middle lane hogging, I wanted to let you know incase you get pulled over as I saw plenty of times when you was in the middle lane when you should of been in the far left lane, I understand it’s foggy but the left lane is there as the main lane, all other lanes are overtaking only plus it causes more congestion as people have to go around you. Other than that, lovely video
Glad you enjoyed the video. I’m the first person to ridicule middle lane hoggers. Don’t worry most of the trip is in lane 1. My camera has a fish eye lens so everything feels much further away than it really is so in most cases I’m overtaking etc 👍
I wouldn’t dream of buying a new MG4 when I know I could buy a low mileage Tesla model 3 ,which is a far better car in every way,for a much cheaper price. (No,I’m not a Tesla/Musk fan boy,I’m just being pragmatic.)
With the bettery's longevity in mind, idealy you don't want to go lower than 10%. Some experts even say 20%. Which means that both these cars have much lower ranges than advertised. Nothing shocking really. These official tests they do are BS and all manufactuerers overadvertise their products. If you need a car for 250mile roadtrips, get something with a much larger battery to get a realistic 250 mile range without sacrificing the life of the battery. Or.....have some common sense and get a conventional car. EVs are more like.....toys at the moment, or best case scenario, city cars.
What a palaver before you set off , diabolically dreadful car , you don’t mention the extremely dodgy ethics of Chinese cars , whatever the badge might say . At least it didn’t decide to drive itself , see Geoff Buys Cars .
Would love to see a winter version of this. I've noticed a big hit to my SR range in the cold. Would be interested to see how the LR impacted in comparison.
It would be equally the same as a %. Lots of people on social media platforms are quoting as low as 150
Hey... what milage can you achieve in winter conditions? Thx
@@hullandras I get about 260km (161 miles) to 280 km (174 miles) in winter with my standard range model
Amazing, so detailed, I really like the MG, this pushes me towards the SE...
Interesting post there, thank you for uploading! I test drove the MG4 yesterday and was very impressed.
Your videos are certainly helping make a decision on what model to go for.
Thank you very much!
Looks about on par with what I'm getting from my LR Trophy version. But I don't keep it at 22C, but 26C, I think there's a 4C delta from what it's actually putting out, the internal temperature as reported by the app and an internal temperature gauge match that, not the '26C' on the HVAC. 22C makes it blow cold air still, quite annoyed with this but once set to 26C, I've not touched it for over 4 months now. I do always chuckle when 'summer' tests like these show a bleak, misty sight and barely any sun :D I guess to the outside world, it might look off but there's something magical about the way everything looks in this weather.
Good video as always!
Lad: At 21:21 It should've being 64KWh?!
Thanks in advance, very interesting comparison, well done mate 😁👏👌
Just got my MG4 thanks to your videos
Glad they were of help and many congrats on your new MG4 👍
@@stuart_thomas Thanks a lot Stuart!! 🙏
Just last week I was on the motorway with my Zoe. Drove at 110kph which is about 1mph slower than 70mph and managed to drive 180km with 79% battery. I'm really taken aback just how bad my Zoe is compared to your SE SR even though we have similar battery size.
Thankfully that piece of junk is going away in a couple of days. Sadly not to the junkyard but to the dealership which is going to sell it to someone else.
Thanks for these vids.
I've thought about it a lot and ordered the SE. Most of my driving is town driving - occasionally I'll drive a bit further but then I'd need to plan a stop in either vehicle or charge at the end point for return.
So for me, in real world use the better efficiency of the smaller battery SE works for my lifestyle and use case. I would have liked the cameras, but not enough to be a deal breaker.
Car's coming in about 4 weeks apparently; really can't wait!
That’s fantastic news congrats!
Range isn’t as bigger issue as it used to be. There’s more chargers and transparency than before.
I’m in New Zealand and have had the Essence (similar to the Trophy) for a month now. So was interested to see what range you would get on the motorway. In NZ the Essence has 18” rims (and wider tyres) so I expect the range will be a bit less. So far I’ve only driven it around town / country roads … love it.
So Essence, Trophy and my car is called Luxury. All different names around the world.
@@Tsenngu yes … I think only small differences?
Brilliant thanks really useful, will be bringing another MG4 to the West Country later this year
We bought a trophy for the reasons you detailed at the close 😊
Interesting stuff. Thanks. A real-world difference of only about 25 miles range between the two at 10% charge, which is as low as I'd want to take them on a motorway.
Just wish they would make a "SE SR +" with more features included as standard. I object to safety features like blind spot detection being left off standard trim levels.
Excellent analysis
Thank you for putting it MPH and not KMs as I’m in England 👍 ❤
No problem 👍
Ive had my SR model for a year also. I don't drive as fast - usually 60-62 mph on dual carriageways for approx 50% of journeys and 50% rural and town driving on eco mode ,the GOM predicts 230-240 miles in summer. Really surprised that the trophy has so little range advantage, the SE SR easily exceeds my bladder range. Its a pity MG UK do not offer the LFP battery on the Trophy like in other markets, I'd buy one.
I don't think they offer LFP on trophy in any markets
This is where the sweet spot of the range is the SE LR, which is more efficient than the Trophy because as it doesn't have the extra spoiler which lowers the efficiency.
As usual your videos are very clear and to the point Stuart.
You may remember I ordered a mg4 last 31-10-2023 in spain, well still no reply from MG to any email, dealer still said, doesn't know nothing, so we decided to go on holiday to turkey as we were not going to wait any longer, so guess what, we are there 3 weeks and get an email your car is at the docks we will have it here in 2 to 3 weeks in the dealership. So cut short our intended 10 week holiday and book a flight back in time to collect the car.
Get back and get an email I have just seen your car it is the wrong colour inside. I will reorder the car for you. Yep, really, no apology, no, i will make sure its priority, in fact nothing. question him and he again doesn't know nothing. why have you got to make a new order , because your order they have sent it wrong, so i need to reorder. So when will it come "no idea".
Cannot recommend buying any car from the spanish MG. if this is the treatment before you buy what happens after you buy.
Any way they have done me a favour 🤣 as l have test drove some more cars and even the tesla model 3 (didn't before as it was some 10 or 12 000 euros more) and it is such a better car in every way, as since i ordered the MG4 it has come down in price and is now for us only 2000 euros more than our pre MG4 price rise. So we have cancelled the MG4 (at least they didn't argue about giving back our deposit) and have ordered the New refreshed highland model 3. which should be here october/november. Maybe just in time for our planned trip to the UK to visit family etc. So will we come to UK by diesel or electric. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Probably for the best based on your experience Ian. What a shambles. You will be happy with a M3, I’m excited to see the highland M3, please let me know how you get on 👍
@@stuart_thomas Yep we feel we have dodged a bullet, 🤣 And even though we thought the M3 that we test drove was so much better than the MG, worth the 2175 euros more than our pre MG price rise order (mind new Mg orders will be so much closer in price, don't understand how anybody would order the MG trophy with the colour options, unless of course you just hate Tesla for some reason.) But it is clear the new Highland refresh is so much better still, with maybe the exception of the indicators. 🤔
BUT
Even though I said it is just 2175 euros more (that for the base pearl white with black interior, which I like and Ana didn't think it looked like a Tomb) but I made the stupid mistake of showing Ana the "Out of Spec" youtube channel look around of the highland M3 at iaat. which was in the new colour Ultra Red with white seats. And she said WOW it looks so much better in that colour with the white seats. There went my just 2 grands more 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ok, will let you know when we get it.
Great video, thanks. Is that screen standard, I'm pretty sure I've never seen it on my trophy? cheers.
Yes, it is
Hello Stuart. Will going as low as 3% degrade the battery, done regularly, or is there a recommended battery %age that ideally you should not go below? Are the percentage and range reliable unlike conventional cars telling you 50 mile range then a few seconds later 0? Really interesting how close the ranges are, Thank you for a a very informative video.
I get about 15kWh/100km when I have tail wind to up to 28kWh/100km with strong head wind on a trophy (luxury with heatpump) at 80 milles an hour. The drag is proprtional to the square of the AIR speed. You would have to drive both of them at the same time same route to get accurate results. Anyway Trophy is not about the range compared to the standard. It is about the 42kWh that you get at fast chargers in 25 minutes vs. 35 kWh in 40 minutes with the standard. For 1000km jurneys that is very important and adds up quickly.
Great video, I'm getting the standard range in 3 days, so good to know real world. Also, nearly every country in the world uses kilometers, please include next time!
Hope you enjoy it!
Has yours had any software updates recently? I have read that there might be some changes with latest software. Just curious and awaiting my MG4. 😊
SE standard, no. But there has been more activity for the Trophy/luxury spec.
Nice job!
Just i need to change to km.. but anyway it's easy..
Daily base, to my job the standard is enough..
The good question, how figure in wintertime, heat pump is good or not...here in Hungary sometimes -5..-15 happen... but anyway I will see.. :-)
Love me a trip to GUS❤
Thanks mate good info ❤
Interesting to see that the LR has 22% bigger battery, yet only does 17% more range. Looks like the SR is a bit of a bargain really.
22% bigger battery but also weighs more as well, plus the spoiler creates more drag.
What would be a fairer test would be the SE LR vs the SE SR.
Can you please test the 51 excite version with full trunk? Just to have an idea how good is it for a family car on vacations.
The weight is not very important, especially if you drive at a constant speed. Maybe 5% less range FULLY loaded.
In summer, this car is good enough for even longer journeys. In winter, the range is noticably less due to no heatpump.
nice video How do you know out side temp as mine has disappeared on the SE after my last software update .one step forward 2 steps back as always with MG 🤔
You’re spot on it isn’t on the vehicle, I used a 3rd party weather app 👍
Ive heard mixed messages about how prudent it is to charge an lrp battery to 100% all the time. If you should really charge to 80% like other chemistries it removes a lot of the advantages of the SE for me
Where can I find the 12 month review you talked about?
That will be coming next month 👍
They do in Thailand. See Bjorn Nyland review while in Thailand.
Could you estimate the total available range from the 77kWh version?
It’s hard to calculate range. It depends on so many factors. I like to consider worst case scenario which I think in summer is 270 miles and winter 200 based on 70mph motorway and using appropriate HVAC for each season
Interesting! I just had another look at your 60mph test... approx 170 miles at 7 degrees compared with 70mph, 180 miles at 21 degrees. I'm looking forward to trying my Australian equivalent of your car, Excite 51, our temperature range in tropical Cairns is between 20 and 30+ degrees but our speed limit is 100 kph (60 mph). I'm guessing I'll 320 kms or more. Does anyone in Britain have a tow bar on their MG4? I'd like to try a small camping trailer (motorcycle style).
Thanks for your info 😊
Let me know how you get on 😉
Hey Mike, I'm based in Brisbane and looking at the Excite 51, do let me know how you go when you manage to test the range! I saw a video recently where someone down south did a 180km test and based on their consumption estimated about 300km of highway range at just over 100kph.
Interesting, in Poland Long Range has 77kWh battery :)
We have that one too but it’s called the ‘Extended Range’
22 degree Summers... meanwhile here it's scorched earth at 35C
I’m not sure if you are aware but you are commiting a driving offence which is middle lane hogging, I wanted to let you know incase you get pulled over as I saw plenty of times when you was in the middle lane when you should of been in the far left lane, I understand it’s foggy but the left lane is there as the main lane, all other lanes are overtaking only plus it causes more congestion as people have to go around you.
Other than that, lovely video
Glad you enjoyed the video.
I’m the first person to ridicule middle lane hoggers. Don’t worry most of the trip is in lane 1. My camera has a fish eye lens so everything feels much further away than it really is so in most cases I’m overtaking etc 👍
Yikes, that is less than 1/2 what my 4-cylinder car can do.
I wouldn’t dream of buying a new MG4 when I know I could buy a low mileage Tesla model 3 ,which is a far better car in every way,for a much cheaper price. (No,I’m not a Tesla/Musk fan boy,I’m just being pragmatic.)
Sounds noisey
With the bettery's longevity in mind, idealy you don't want to go lower than 10%. Some experts even say 20%. Which means that both these cars have much lower ranges than advertised.
Nothing shocking really. These official tests they do are BS and all manufactuerers overadvertise their products.
If you need a car for 250mile roadtrips, get something with a much larger battery to get a realistic 250 mile range without sacrificing the life of the battery. Or.....have some common sense and get a conventional car. EVs are more like.....toys at the moment, or best case scenario, city cars.
What a palaver before you set off , diabolically dreadful car , you don’t mention the extremely dodgy ethics of Chinese cars , whatever the badge might say . At least it didn’t decide to drive itself , see Geoff Buys Cars .
The setup was to match previous runs for a fair comparison.