The HD5970 is now £25 ($32) but is it any good?
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- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2017
- Hello and Welcome back to another Budget Builds Episode where today we'll be taking a look at the AMD Radeon HD5970, a card from 2009 which claimed the top spot as the worlds most powerful commercial GPU thanks to the power efficient way that it bolted two HD5870 chips onto it, which any themselves were only around 15% Slower than a GTX480... Pairing this with some great scaling on most of the games it really did deserve the title it earned...But now it's cheap...very cheap...But is it still any good?
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RAM: 8GB DDR4 2666Mhz
GPU: Radeon HD 5970 
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The 2008-2012 GPU era...the muscle car era of gpus
2008 and 2009 were meh... The 9800/GT was known to drop like flies! And thus probably only the GeForce 9500s and GeForce 9600s were reliable, if even that!
Marc I got a gtx 660m from 2012 and it holds up really well only game I've had trouble with is rise of the tomb raider but I believe it is because the gpu only has 2 gbs
My Radeon 4850 that I pop in and use occasionally still runs great! IT was released in july 2008 at 200$, but I managed to get it for just 130$ 2 months after release with a combination of sale and rebates and it came with Alone in the Dark 5 for free. The only reason I replaced the card in November 2012 was because its lack of dx11 support that was really starting to creep up on it, and its original fan died. I did replace the fan, but purchased a 1 gb radeon 6770 to replace it for the dx11 api. Then I ended up replacing the 6770 for a 7970 in september of 2013... This 7970 is probably the best aging card of all time!
in this day and age if the radeon 4850 at least supported dx11, it would be the minimum card I would recommend in a quick budget build just to get into games. It can still run most dx 10.1 esports titles, and existing dx 10 titles in 720P at low to medium settings at a playable framerate. Nothing spectacular in today's standards, but for a quick fix it is the lowest I'd go.
@@hatsunemiku8007 not really, because i played Rise of tomb raider with radeon HD6850 1gb in low/med settings and also works with 550Ti in low settings pretty good
So that means 2011 to now is JdM era
$32 would be a great deal on this card today. Going for more than twice that on Ebay right now.
Maybe $32 in China? They probably have bunch there as there are a lot more PC gamer in China while US have fair share of console gaming.
lmao have a look at the prices now, $70 would be a good deal nowadays
I paid $77 for one in 2015, damn, would be cool to have another but lol
It was a legendary GPU for Bitcoin mining back in early 2011.
Dave Null mined 5000 BTC with this card. Good old times.
Veslanjejezivot, so you're a millionaire now?
Still 500 BTC in cold storage :)
Veslanjejezivot
So you’re broke now?
@Titan for saying this i would assume that when this guy was mining you didn`t have a single idea about computers
wow impressive thermal paste suction
The nice thing with four HD5970 is to be able to have 24 monitors on one PC. That was the unique selling point, not the gaming stuff.
AMD's Eye Finitiy was used a lot in display walls.
that pc would be so damn loud, why not just 4x 5870 eyefinity edition>??!
so that means if you got 24 ULTRA wide monitors you could use the terraria zenith and hit a dummy from the right border of the world while on the left one
Had a couple of production issues with this one... Turns out the latest Creators update isn't that friendly to Creators... Should have all the issues sorted out now though....Also for some reason people seem to think I made up the prices, here is a receipt with proof of how much I paid for the card: i.imgur.com/cdyGTIx.png I have no reason to lie as the whole idea of the video was to let people know what this card could do :D
just an idea, try gaming with a highend gpu and maybe a dual core cpu.love the vid
Yeah I have some issues with the creators update as well :( the IV Play front end was working great yesterday then overnight my media center PC in the living room updated and now it will only load in the task bar and will not pop up on the screen :( Alt TAB will bring up the picture in a little box it's running I can see the menu but no luck with any settings. MAME itself works fine but the UI is terrible... lol I am dreading even trying to make a video on this machine... I had located a new game on MAME that I had never heard of and was a blast to play so I was going to make a video of it and post it for my friends to maybe want to try it. :)
Anyway love your video's all of them!!! :)
I've paid 44,60 Pounds for my 7850 and I don't regret it but I'm used to NVIDIA and I can definetily notice that AMDs drivers are crashing more often than NVIDIAs
LNCRFT: My Drivers are fine.. It's the OS Crashing the editing software that is an issue.
Budget-Builds Official No... it crashes when I try to open the driver control panel too often or when I overclock the GPU just a bit. ..
My CPU only causes heavy issues if I overclock too much..
(Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 @3,0GHz... BSEL mod works fine)
My friend disabled one gpu and overclocked the hell out of the second using the great cooler
That be alot of fun
Does that make it perform better?
yes, much
How much better than having both on
It def would work better, back in that year / era crossfire wasn't so good as it is today!
Unscrew the card on top of THAT table outside?!? You are brave man!!! :-D
Why
The way you clean your cards is so satisfying to me, omg.
I love your channel, just watching what old hardware can still pull off years after its release and how cheap it can go for really it's interesting, you also give a good insight on the story of the hardware, that my nerd side would like to be longer, but that's entirely up to you because the videos are entertaining as they are now.
I actually used to have one of these! I wanted to note that you said two GBs of vram were usable, but I think you meant one. While the card does actually have two Gbs, each separate GPU on the card has it's own dedicated gb of vram, and since this is a crossfire setup (essentially), each one of those gbs of ram must store the same data. So this card effectively only has 1gb of vram. Which is a shame, because the two GPUs together are still pretty powerful to this day. But the low amount of vram (by today's standard) holds back the performance a little bit. Also, this card got HOT! Like, uncomfortable hot. But still, this was my first adult high end GPU purchase. Got it for about $300 about 5 years ago. Thanks for the memories, love your channel!
+Matthew Rice: Oddly enough 2GB's was usable in games, well judging by the VRAM usage in GTA V ect.. so I might have been sent the 4GB Version accidentally.
According to Techpowerup's webpage for this card, the memory config for this card is listed as 1024 MB x2. I'm not aware of there ever being a version of this card that came with a 2gb x 2 config, but it's possible.
I’ve noticed that Afterburner will combine the VRAM usage. So if each card is using 800 MB It will report 1.6 GB of VRAM usage. I noticed this when testing the 4870 X2. I didn’t see a way to separate it in the Afterburner settings.
Matthew Rice the xfx 5970 black edition has 4gb, elric from tech of tomorrow, back when he was in motherboards.org covered it among other people on RUclips. The Asus Ares also has 4gb but that is more like a 5870x2.
That thing exists, but the clock rates are wrong. Budget Builds seem to have the 2 GB version.
See here: www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/b228/xfx-hd-5970-black-edition-4-gb vs here: www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/b1818/xfx-hd-5970-black-edition
If he has the 4GB version that would explain the good GTA5 performance. My 2x5870s are limited by VRAM hard in that game.
was waiting for HD 5970 video 👍✔
3:58 guitar matches screws
Vlad Vlogging79: Finally someone noticed.
Din not expect you to reply... thanks! Love your vids and keep up the good work.
Great vid man! Keep it up!
This cleaning scene was exceptionally satisfying somehow. Thank you for always doing that! :3
Great video 👍 the frame times made me want to die line was gold.
Love the quality of these videos, amazing.
Fishtankoala me 2
+Fishtankoala: Cheers man, had alot of rendering issues with this one though.
A new XFX HD 5970 Black Edition costs as much as a GTX 1050 where I live lol
I love this! Keep up the great work!
this is why I love budget builds official
the video is keeping the nice pace about everything that happened in the video: Build the pc, Info about the GPU,CPU. Nice Benchmarks
Chill gameplay
You didn´t disable PhysX in Borderlands 2, a notorious badly optimized game or I should say: Nvidia sponsored title.
That is why it sucks too much on AMD cards
By the way BL2 is a 2012 release not 2015, it deserves a pop up text fix
Borderlands 2 is most certainly better optimized than borderlands 1 though. I see my 7970 in 1080P max jump between 130 down to 70 for no reason in BL1, in BL2 this is fixed and runs higher and looks better too. Part of the problem is the old, even at the time Unreal 3 Engine.
Honestly physX does not even work properly with any nvidia gpu, they fucked it up so much...
BL1 remaster is way more optimized than BL2 now, that's for sure
mamailo2011 i think its because BL2 was released on PC in 2015 and console 2012? I think i don't know.
@@thelazyduckyy nah bl2 released alongside the console versions
The AMD 5800/5900 series is a pretty nostalgic GPU series for me.
The first GPU I had out of it was a 5830 that lasted me until 2016
I still hurt a little inside that I was only exactly 1 year off when I built my college pc and missed the radeon 5000 series.
I built my college pc in september 2008 and ended up with a radeon 4850 for only 130$ after a sweet sale/rebate deal on newegg. The 4850 was a great card and good investment for 4 years, but just one year later I could have gotten a 5770 or something and had direct x 11. Then again dx11 wasn't starting to become an exclusive api in a lot of titles until around 2012 anyway, so I guess I didn't hurt myself too much.
Nice video it's actually really relaxing
I still have one of these in reference just sitting around, i did see they sell for more than £25 however more around £60-80. shocked you found one so cheap! Enjoy your holiday! :D
its sad to see so much power going to waste because of lack of support
503 Unavailable if only there's a modded driver for it...
nimez drivers? aw yeaaaaaa
Even today, 3200 shader units is A LOT. My fury after that was 4096 shader units, which was a ridiculous amount itself.
For reference, the GTX 1080 has 2560 cuda cores... this just goes to show you how over engineered AMD has to be in order to compete with nvidia, due to the fundamentally more optimal exploitation of nvidia technology in windows. This is also why AMD is so good at bitmining. Their hardware has such a ridiculous amount of horsepower that games simply fail to exploit, but bitmining software can.
Ikr
Well actually, the issue is more that Nvidia optimizes their cards just for games, while AMD tends to re-purpose their tech, building their mainstream products off of workstation/server hardware.
GCN is great at general compute tasks (like mining) but is not so great at heavily single-threaded workloads, like games running older DX API's. They do brute-force things a bit, but they also work around that limitation via drivers, which is where their "fine wine" technology comes from.
GCN and Bulldozer function very similarly, to the point I wonder if its what inspired Bulldozer in the first place. They even have similar gains from DX12 and Vulkan.
That's partially true. You should also consider that nvidia has had the most market share for so long, that the majority of testing and optimization was performed with nvidia in mind. Even if nvidia had done nothing on their own, they would inherently have better optimization by default. Added to this that nvidia also has far more budget for in house optimization, and you can see how stacked the deck truly is.
Actually HD5870 bruteforced it's way while being cooler than Fermi but it's still got outsold. Nvidia lives by it's marketing and anti-consumer practices like GameWorks.
Market dominance is the reason nvidia can get away with that. The more people that own the card, the more people to recommend the card, as choice-supportive bias is a fundamental fault of humans. The tendency to remember one's choices as better than they actually were, where people tend to over attribute positive features to options they chose and negative features to options not chosen.
Both sides are guilty of this, but it plays a particular advantage to nvidia, as they have the market dominance so therefore they are the ones who benefit the most from these tendencies. However, since humans don't live forever, the marketing department does the work recruiting new people, and these people will go on to recommend their choice to confirm their own bias.
Congratzzz with 80.000 subs
You keep me watching partially because of the music hehe. Nice selections you make
8:58 you know you've made it on youtube when u reverse the clip if you putting on cooling paste in your vid
I got one pretty much when it came out. It was super powerful, but my god, the driver issues were too much.
These things were beasts when they dropped. I still have my 5850 in a spare system and it still games like a champ at 720p (native res on spare system). I was going to pick one of these up but they are sold out lol. Great video.
Just picked up an XFX Black Edition 5970 for £20 to finish off my collection. The nostalgia is unreal I remember looking at these back in the day and thinking maybe some day lol.
Only $32? here in Brazil people sell these at $188 minimun (R$600 Reais)
Here's a link: informatica.mercadolivre.com.br/usados/ati-radeon-hd-5970-2gb_OrderId_PRICE
Ebay my friend
i feel you , people here think the HD6570 is a high end graphics card
exactly
Every freaking piece of hardware is an absurd in Brazil. I really don't know if it's worth it to import, though. Not just because the taxes, but also for the shipping. It's a fragile thing. You will have to wait at least 2 months anyway.
Borderlands didn't work because of the NVidia support on it, NVidia is famous for making so AMD cards don't perform well on the games with NVidia technology.
One HD5870 is plenty for the recommended requirements (HD5850), its probably poor crossfire optimization causing a lot of the issues. These single-card dual GPU's may also have their own issues compared to running separate cards.
Contrary to popular believe, it isn't Nvidia making games perform worse on games, they're simply very finicky about who gets to see their code, so it makes optimization difficult. Nvidia would have the same problems if AMD didn't make most of their tech open-source.
And then Borderlands uses PhysX, so on an AMD card it's best to disable it overall. Ive seen it running without issues on a 3.6 GHz Core 2 Duo and a HD 4870 maxed out.
I ran that game fine back in the day with a HD6850 so the card itself should be more than enough. That was with a Phenom II x4 965 BE.
MRJazzygameplay err I call bullshit. Ok it's made to play on Nvidia .. but my old lga 775 Xeon at 3.3 gig. With a radeon 5770 and it runs Borderlands fine.
Kliksphillip did quite a nice video explaining this, i might have exagerated a little bit but i'm still sure that a NVidia card with the same specs of an AMD card would run it much better not just because it's optimized for NVidia, but because it's made harder for AMD as well, you might not notice it on newer cards because they have a high enough performance to overthrow this.
Link to the mentioned video: ruclips.net/video/ZcF36_qMd8M/видео.html
Great video! ;-)
That is a beautiful card mate!
HD 5xxx was amazing and miles better...but idiots still bought 4xx in droves. I know because I am one of them.
Immense Data Nvidia mindshare is crazy man... I bought a 1050 ti instead of a rx 470 a year ago because everyone I knew said AMD was trash... How wrong they were :(
Immense Data Yes I still have a GTX480 Amp that was the Fermi card to have cool n quiet.
I agree, although my 4850 still has some frames left it in in titles that support dx 10.1. I bought mine because 1 I was not as savvy about the market at the time, and 2 I was computerless since my moms pc died right before i entered college and I was forced to let her have it... I built my phenom 9600, radeon 4850, 4gb ram system at the time and had many years out of it.
I bought the powerhouse Radeon 7970 for €80. Repaste it with liquid metal and this card wrecking all my games and even Battlefield 1 on high with stable 60 fps.
DX12 doesn't support CrossFire. Do you know how to use two GPUs with it?
Liquid metal? Bit overkill for such an ancient piece of tech. If it's all you can afford though...
@@Barry-vn6uq Its an enthusiast's thing. Like spending thousands of dollars keeping a classic car alivd
I do love your workbench lol.
that was my dream card at the time it launched, but it was as expensive as a 125cc bike in my country then lol
2:11
400 WOTS.
For Csgo Ik I said this on rg Vid but if your gonna play low settings for "pro settings" a seperate 1080p medium/low settings and a 1024x768p low/med and lastly 800x600 low/med settings so pros can see what they will be getting with there setting hope fully you read this and understand
Ik you might respond with 1024x768 will do a lot better and Ik that but low settings is not the sets pros play at
GV first that's racist second I don't play Csgo and 3rd I don't care if your global I'm talking about people that are known in this world and the gaming world
GV lol wtf
What a great gpu back in days, I love your videos ❤️
Horizon Gamers: Cheers man, it was such a killer card.
Budget-Builds Official Yeah bro that's right, And thanks for testing FIFA18 on this card, This was my best part 😍
I had one of these and overclocked it to past 5870 clock speeds and it was awesome :D
lol, GTX480... aka the thermonuclear bomb
where are you finding that card for $32 bucks?
uk.webuy.com/product.php?sku=SGRAATIHD59702GBA
the thing with cex is you have to check every day they might get 2 a year, it is a 2nd hand/pawn shop.
Coles Towing the cheapest i found on eBay US was $45
The thing is there hasn't been anymore CeX in the US for a while, they took down all stores. Basically just raising the finger to the United States.
Have a great holiday Budget!
Played Robo Recall on Oculus Rift with my GTX660 while waiting on my 980ti to show up. It ran it fine, although the textures weren't quite as sharp. Fantastic card for it's day and I still use it on my secondary machine.
Answer to your 25 FPS locked in Fifa18, They animate the Scenes, instead of coding the movements into the game. By animating the scenes, you reduce the cost of the game and you save a heep of a lot time on also. And it's actually 24FPS, because that the minimum most smooth looking frame rate, by making it 24 instead of 30 or 60, you save a lot of money from the animating, because you only have to render 24 frames for each second not 30 or 60. The 25FPS you see is just being rounded up by your frame rate capture software.
incorrect, 24 frames does not save money from animating, its commonly used as an easily divisible keyframe number for various methods of animation.
What bollox is this you speak.
U know, Even if they did "Animate" the scenes, the Biped Rag Doll Animation are always based on Keyframes! It simply means those Rag Dolls can Adapt to any Hardware capability. Given the situation, in the video, it only means the game Engine is too heavy for that GPU card.
360p squad where ya at?
Liam Dorsey here I am
You sir are a brave man playing with those screws outside. Id be super worried about dropping one.
Something very relaxing about watching an old as dirt graphics card push most newer games quite well.
some 660's can go for £25
What's that chip in between the two GPUs that looks almost like a CPU?
Yeah, I also wondered that while I watching the video... I think it's something like that helps the GPU's to communicate with each other without SLI bridge/Crossfire.
And he didn't put the heat transfer pad back.
Its called a PLX chip. It acts sort of like a PCIE switch. What it does is create a link via pcie between the 2 gpus.
My 5870 served me well, I loved that card and it overclocked like a beast. Had it paired with my i7 875k overclocked to 4.25GHz at the time and it literally heated my bedroom during winter. I left my windows open during the cold months and had AC blasting in the summer. My friend who had a 5970 often complained about the micro stuttering from Crossfire mode with this card but I can't remember if they fixed that with driver updates down the road.
Eventually sold the card when I got my 2 7970s but prices were still good and I was able to sell for a couple hundred bucks on Craigslist. My 7970s lasted me until 2016 when I decided to get a GTX 1080 for 4k gaming. Gave one of those 7970s to an ex girlfriend as a Christmas gift and the other is in my friends Quadfire 7970 PC.
This brought back good memories, subbed to this channel and love the content. Keep up the good work!
I like the use of SimCity music in the background.
Cute
How do you break down a whole PC and wash the cords with water I unplug USB power supply port plug it back in yah I never got to watch porn at 10fps 240p again
da fuk
Lazy BZ what? Lol
Gaming XP gotta remove the CMOS battery as well as make sure all power has been drained before starting, washing the power supply might not be the smartest idea. Use cold water and give lots of time for ITT tto dry
Awww,I loved that gpu.I had several HD6970's also.
That is one big beast.
:)
:D
IdrizIsLive ;D
Why not using 900p instead 1080 like Console ?
May aswell use 1080p if I can :D
Zer01neDev The PS4 runs at 1080p
d y n a m i c r e s o l u t i o n
EA Games run at 900p
Battlefield, etc is 900p.
Dude. You make great videos! I'm starting a tech channel and wish I could make videos this good.
PLEASE do 2 of these together for 4-way crossfire. I would absolutely poop my pants with enthusiasm.
How do you find all these GPUs?
TheBcoolGuy: eBay, CeX, Bootfairs, Gumtree.
By browsing the internet and lying about the purchase price. Because, yeah... Nobody ever lies online...
By going online idiot!
idk if this was a good deal i got a r7 260x for $110nzd
thats like $76usd
shit deal
F12 CS:GO: Definitely not the best deal, I'd refund it if you can.
i cant get a refund but i looked on ebay for the one i got on a nz trading site they sell for around the same price. The card can be overclocked a bit so i did that and now i'm getting 230fps in csgo at high settings 1080p people in nz like to sell things over priced some guy want 65 for a gt620.
I lost oportunity to get a gtx 980 for 50usd EVGA =/ in my country, you can find cheap VGA but dollars here are gold
I used an HD5770 until last year when I upgraded my 2010 PC to a GTX970. It was still surprisingly beefy for modern gaming. You should do a video on the Phenom II CPUs, my 965 is still running strong today.
Nice one I need do test in my channel one day for simular card as I never try dual core card
Nice test week done I been suprised how well run all this game on this old card for this price range
i'm the 200th viewer! is that dope or what?
Very Dope
Thanks for the reply my friend, you just made my day better ^_^
No one cares
I do cuz AM STHUPHID
dope af
passport.mid :)
drunk passport.mid
I have a pair of my old 5870's in the closet still. Some 4870's too. Great cards in their day. Rocking a GTX 1080ti now.
8/9th time I've watched this, defintly some *fine wine* if you ask me
1st view
Good job 👍
I always wished for one of these cards! I only had a 5870 which is basically half of this card.
Man, those were the good days :-)
You should try to overclock this card and see how far it gets you.
Love ur content
Cheers man
This 80s infomercial music is amazing
cleaning the card carefully, putting it on an old wooden bench. i like that sense of humor :D
@ Budget Builds Official I'm putting together a retro computer using a Q9650 core 2 quad (I don't have a motherboard yet). I was going to use a Diamond 5870 but I bought an XFX Radeon HD 5970 Black Edition Graphics Card for $28.00 U.S. today so I will be using that. My goal is to build a computer that would be very high performance by the standards of 2008-2009 for less than &200.00. I now have a CPU and a GPU and have spent $38.00 but I fear getting a good motherboard cheap is going to be a problem. It pleased the hell out of me to find this good video on the very card I purchased, thank you.
Man, I really wanted this card back when I was in high school... lol
I once remember seeing a 4 gb gpu in 2010 at some site which at the time was a real monster.
I have the XFX Black Edition Limited, which is a true 5870x2 card (i.e. no reduced clock speeds) with 2GB per GPU. It has two 8-pin connectors, which I believe all 4GB 5970 cards had. The XFX one was the only 4GB model which took up only two slots, which was a big reason for choosing it, despite its horrendous price (same as the 2080 Ti at launch, but back in 2010). It also supports up to six displays with six separate mini-DisplayPort outputs.
It was able to run Crysis at 2560x1600 with 4xAA smoothly, where a pair of 4870x2 cards would be a slide show. Not because of processing power, but because of memory limitations.
I remember when I had my 6990, its was great and overclocked like a beast. Sold it eventually and now with my r9 295x2 for the last few years. Still running strong and custom factory water cooler does its job well. So much potential in old tech for the money. You can get something a little weaker for many times less.
Ironicly I got my r9 on release for 500$ canadian brand new, plus traded my 6990 with arctic cooler for that too.
Great video, bring awareness to oldneglected tech, you can max out hudrets of games on that 5970.
Who cares about your shite pc or what you swapped. No one, that's who. Now piss off!
Had 2 of these running in crossfire and it was beast
Even after ATI was bought by AMD, the ATI name was still used for the AMD GPU range.
The HD 5970 is the last flagship card sold under the ATI Brand.
Starting with the HD 6000 series, AMD stopped using the ATI brand.
i own two of these..reference edition sitting on a self...i used to use them with a p5qdeluxe lga775 with a core1quad q9550 and 8gbs of hyperx ddr2...i used to be the kewl kid back then!now my ryzen 2200g outperforms that easily with the onboard gpu!lol
I have 2 of the Sapphire Toxic 4gb HD5970s, HUGE but awesome Cards.
I might get one of these
Damn now I want to dig out my old 5970’s and my 6990’s and put those in some budget builds
It’s playing pray like a beast
Nice man
That scene with the thermal paste sucking back into the tube made me feel like I'm on drugs
How are you not a bigger channel? I subbed.
TROLLCAT Gaming: Cheers man
I paid 25 too for my 5970, didn;t had time to test it, just keeping it there for now for my collection. I got more dual-gpu cards, I can borrow them for testing if you want them.
Would definitely like to see a GTX 590 or an AMD 6990 being tested in 2018!
I use to run two of them in Crossfire lol. It was terrible. The Heat and power supply required was insane.
I still have this card in my self it was so powerful back then
had a hd4870 2x at some time.. memories (like a heater)
I am always completely cleaning a device to factory condition when i am going to use it after years, on a motherboard, i am cleaning it with water and brush, i am letting it to dry for a week in the sun, and it works of course, if i am going to turn on an old graphics card as you did, i am disassemble it, cleaning it, heatsink,fan, card itself,and i am adding always new thermal paste to be sure, and for aesthetics, i am cleaning as much as it can go
Indispensable to see how these old cards are still kicking arse in games. Great video mate